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| zus | is there any difference in file size or packages advantage, by installing the ubuntu studio packages vs individually? | 05:07 |
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| holstein | i dont think so | 05:08 |
| holstein | should be the same zus | 05:08 |
| holstein | just easier | 05:08 |
| holstein | to get the meta-package | 05:08 |
| holstein | if its got the stuff you want in it | 05:08 |
| zus | hi holstein :) | 05:08 |
| holstein | :) | 05:08 |
| zus | i found the mint KDE always been meaning to try it. | 05:09 |
| bryan_r59 | good morning and day! | 07:18 |
| holstein | hey bryan_r59 | 07:18 |
| bryan_r59 | Is ubuntu studio adequate enough within a virtual machine? i have plenty of ram to give it | 07:18 |
| bryan_r59 | and i think most 3d modeling packages use system ram | 07:19 |
| bryan_r59 | one more thing if it isn't too much trouble to answer: how much disk space would a beginner artist need for his ubuntu studio to be used to full potential? | 07:20 |
| holstein | you can try it | 07:21 |
| holstein | but i would say you need to run blender and the like on metal | 07:21 |
| holstein | if you go the Vbox route | 07:21 |
| bryan_r59 | lol | 07:21 |
| holstein | you can have the images grow | 07:21 |
| bryan_r59 | yeah i am c hoose dynamic | 07:21 |
| holstein | video files are stupid large | 07:21 |
| bryan_r59 | oh good point :) | 07:22 |
| holstein | and audio projects can take up space | 07:22 |
| holstein | but we usually record audio to a seperate HD | 07:22 |
| holstein | anyways | 07:22 |
| holstein | i would say 20GB minimum | 07:22 |
| holstein | that would be a comfortable place to get your feet wet | 07:22 |
| holstein | bryan_r59: i think a wubi install would be much more adequate | 07:23 |
| holstein | and just as non-permanant | 07:23 |
| bryan_r59 | aight, i gave it 50 just in case. Also is it me, or does somehow having a better video card make the file size of images smaller? | 07:23 |
| bryan_r59 | i mean on my host os | 07:23 |
| holstein | hmmm | 07:23 |
| holstein | not sure about that | 07:24 |
| bryan_r59 | the file format i save as in the same i am sure | 07:24 |
| bryan_r59 | compression too | 07:24 |
| bryan_r59 | but i see a huge difference in the generated file size, even on huge screen shots and stuff | 07:24 |
| holstein | i suppose something in the rendering could be different | 07:24 |
| holstein | but i would think that would be processor before graphics | 07:25 |
| holstein | but again, im just not sure | 07:25 |
| holstein | i havent really paid much attention | 07:25 |
| * holstein is an audio guy | 07:25 | |
| bryan_r59 | Ok one last question. I have a Webcam that worked on my Windows 7 HOST OS, but since i switched to ubuntu 10.04 as my HOST, it can't detect is through VLC or CHEESE, and on the Windows GUEST it also cannot find it | 07:26 |
| bryan_r59 | will ubuntu studio remedy this? | 07:26 |
| holstein | bryan_r59: no | 07:27 |
| holstein | theres not a whole lot of difference | 07:27 |
| bryan_r59 | ok . then one more last question lol | 07:27 |
| holstein | bryan_r59: if you go to synaptic | 07:27 |
| holstein | and search ubuntustudio | 07:27 |
| holstein | you can see the meta packages that make up ubuntustudio | 07:27 |
| holstein | thats really about it | 07:27 |
| bryan_r59 | oh | 07:27 |
| holstein | bryan_r59: there might be a package here and there | 07:27 |
| holstein | driver-wise | 07:27 |
| holstein | but mostly wacom tablet support | 07:28 |
| holstein | that kind of thing | 07:28 |
| bryan_r59 | As an artist, what cam do you recommend as a webcam? i will go buy one now, if you have a recommendation | 07:28 |
| holstein | not webcams | 07:28 |
| holstein | bryan_r59: just google | 07:28 |
| bryan_r59 | ok | 07:28 |
| holstein | and save you recipts ;) | 07:28 |
| bryan_r59 | ttyl and ty | 07:28 |
| holstein | bryan_r59: | 07:28 |
| holstein | when you run lsusb | 07:28 |
| holstein | in terminal | 07:28 |
| holstein | do you see the webcam? | 07:28 |
| holstein | listed? | 07:28 |
| bryan_r59 | one sec | 07:29 |
| holstein | what is the webcam? | 07:29 |
| bryan_r59 | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 041e:403c Creative Technology, Ltd Webcam Live! Ultra | 07:29 |
| holstein | bryan_r59: thats good | 07:29 |
| holstein | that you see it there | 07:29 |
| holstein | you should be able to get it working i would guess | 07:30 |
| bryan_r59 | i will google further for that too then | 07:30 |
| holstein | good idea | 07:30 |
| holstein | let us know ;) | 07:30 |
| holstein | :) * | 07:30 |
| holstein | bryan_r59: sometimes its as simple as enabling the backports repository | 07:31 |
| holstein | and installing a package | 07:31 |
| bryan_r59 | i did so, but update manager and hardware drivers under administration found nothing to help | 07:35 |
| bryan_r59 | thanks for the suggestion though | 07:35 |
| bryan_r59 | might help later on | 07:35 |
| holstein | hardware drivers is typically for proprietary extra drivers | 07:36 |
| holstein | you'll have to find the package | 07:36 |
| holstein | IF thats what is needed | 07:36 |
| holstein | im just guessing really | 07:36 |
| holstein | it could be incompatible | 07:36 |
| holstein | but if you see it when you run lsusb | 07:36 |
| holstein | there is usually hope | 07:36 |
| holstein | bryan_r59: good luck | 07:36 |
| plotino | hi | 23:07 |
| plotino | i have problem | 23:08 |
| plotino | with audio | 23:08 |
| plotino | no midi audio in output using hydrigen | 23:08 |
| holstein | hey plotino | 23:10 |
| holstein | you got other sound? | 23:10 |
| holstein | plotino: you got JACK running properly? | 23:11 |
| plotino | nooooooooo | 23:18 |
| plotino | when i start jack | 23:18 |
| plotino | it stucks | 23:18 |
| plotino | saying .... Starting | 23:18 |
| plotino | and i have to kill ot | 23:18 |
| holstein | AH | 23:18 |
| holstein | well i would start there | 23:19 |
| plotino | is there any conflict with pulseaudio? | 23:19 |
| plotino | ok | 23:19 |
| plotino | you have procedure to follow? | 23:19 |
| plotino | :) | 23:19 |
| holstein | go to http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html | 23:19 |
| holstein | the first srceenshot is what you get when you launch jack control from the menu | 23:19 |
| holstein | then click on 'setup' | 23:20 |
| holstein | that will get you to the 2nd sreenshot | 23:20 |
| plotino | m | 23:20 |
| plotino | ok | 23:20 |
| holstein | plotino: is this an onboard soundcard? | 23:20 |
| holstein | plotino: is this ubuntu lucid? | 23:22 |
| holstein | is it a studio install? | 23:22 |
| holstein | or did you upgrade from standard ubuntu? | 23:23 |
| plotino | it is a ubuntu studio new installl | 23:23 |
| holstein | OK | 23:23 |
| plotino | the card is SB Live Platinum | 23:23 |
| holstein | run in a terminal | 23:23 |
| plotino | 5+1 | 23:23 |
| holstein | uname -a | 23:23 |
| plotino | ok | 23:23 |
| holstein | generic, preempt, or realtime? | 23:23 |
| holstein | or just paste the output here | 23:23 |
| holstein | its not much | 23:23 |
| holstein | i use a soundblaster live | 23:24 |
| holstein | as a coaster ;) | 23:24 |
| holstein | so i dont get a ring on my desk from my beer glass :) | 23:24 |
| * holstein kidding | 23:24 | |
| plotino | problems!! | 23:24 |
| plotino | holstein, | 23:24 |
| holstein | nah | 23:25 |
| plotino | i have tried to start jack again | 23:25 |
| holstein | it'll work | 23:25 |
| holstein | plotino: dont start it yet | 23:25 |
| plotino | but it freezed my desktop | 23:25 |
| holstein | hit the stop button | 23:25 |
| plotino | i dont get to open the shell :( | 23:25 |
| plotino | stop button doesn not answere | 23:25 |
| plotino | it's like winzoz | 23:25 |
| holstein | alt F2 | 23:25 |
| holstein | or control alt F2 | 23:26 |
| holstein | if not | 23:26 |
| holstein | you'll just have to restart i suppose | 23:26 |
| holstein | but we need to talk about those settings | 23:26 |
| holstein | and run a few tests | 23:26 |
| holstein | before starting JACK | 23:26 |
| plotino | ok | 23:27 |
| plotino | i recovered the shell | 23:28 |
| plotino | ok | 23:28 |
| plotino | so you have suggested me to setup jack as recommended in that site | 23:28 |
| holstein | plotino: nah | 23:28 |
| holstein | thats just for us to talk about | 23:29 |
| plotino | ah ok | 23:29 |
| holstein | so we know we are looking at the same thing | 23:29 |
| plotino | yes | 23:30 |
| holstein | OK | 23:31 |
| holstein | so run uname -a | 23:31 |
| holstein | past that here | 23:31 |
| plotino | wait | 23:31 |
| plotino | i launch the chat on the PC with ubutnu studio | 23:31 |
| holstein | paste* | 23:31 |
| holstein | OK | 23:32 |
| holstein | theres not much | 23:32 |
| holstein | many commands i mean | 23:32 |
| holstein | just a few more | 23:32 |
| plotino | holstein, | 23:33 |
| holstein | yup | 23:33 |
| plotino | 2.6.32-24-generic | 23:33 |
| holstein | OK | 23:33 |
| holstein | run | 23:33 |
| holstein | sudo adduser you audio | 23:33 |
| holstein | LIKE | 23:33 |
| holstein | my username is holstein | 23:33 |
| holstein | so | 23:34 |
| holstein | i do | 23:34 |
| holstein | sudo adduser holstein audio | 23:34 |
| plotino | you should be my user name , isnt it? | 23:34 |
| plotino | ok | 23:34 |
| holstein | probably will say you already in that group | 23:34 |
| plotino | exactly | 23:34 |
| holstein | OK | 23:34 |
| holstein | do you have sound otherwise? | 23:35 |
| holstein | sound works? | 23:35 |
| plotino | yes | 23:35 |
| holstein | OK | 23:35 |
| holstein | we'll skip running aplay -l then | 23:35 |
| holstein | SO | 23:35 |
| plotino | but i have always to set the correcrt output in pulse audio volume control | 23:35 |
| holstein | run jack control | 23:35 |
| holstein | and click setup | 23:35 |
| plotino | aplay -L | 23:35 |
| plotino | gives me an error | 23:35 |
| holstein | aplay -l | 23:35 |
| holstein | lowercase l | 23:36 |
| plotino | ah sorry | 23:36 |
| holstein | aplay -l and arecord -l | 23:36 |
| plotino | no that's ok | 23:36 |
| holstein | those just let you konw what ALSA is able to use | 23:36 |
| holstein | ANYWAY | 23:36 |
| holstein | just launch jack control | 23:36 |
| holstein | click setup | 23:36 |
| plotino | yes | 23:36 |
| holstein | and we'll both be looking at | 23:37 |
| holstein | http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html | 23:37 |
| holstein | the 2nd screenshot | 23:37 |
| holstein | on the left side | 23:37 |
| holstein | there is a check box | 23:37 |
| holstein | for realtime | 23:37 |
| holstein | UNcheck that | 23:37 |
| plotino | ok | 23:37 |
| plotino | done it | 23:37 |
| holstein | then in the bottom right | 23:37 |
| holstein | you see latency... | 23:37 |
| holstein | what is that? | 23:37 |
| plotino | msec | 23:38 |
| holstein | yeah | 23:38 |
| plotino | 69.7 msec | 23:38 |
| holstein | OK | 23:38 |
| holstein | thats probably cool | 23:39 |
| holstein | samplerat | 23:39 |
| holstein | you probably want that to be 44100 | 23:39 |
| holstein | there are 2 other settings that we tweak a lot | 23:39 |
| plotino | you think that it is quite low | 23:39 |
| plotino | ? | 23:39 |
| holstein | frames/periods | 23:39 |
| holstein | and periods/buffer | 23:39 |
| holstein | plotino: its not low | 23:39 |
| holstein | but you'll be OK getting that with no realtime kernel and that SBlive | 23:40 |
| holstein | thats probably do-able | 23:40 |
| plotino | ok | 23:40 |
| holstein | you might be able to get that down to 20msec | 23:40 |
| holstein | but i wouldnt sweat it | 23:40 |
| holstein | if you dont use soft synths | 23:41 |
| holstein | or do any realtime effects processing | 23:41 |
| holstein | OK | 23:41 |
| holstein | frames/periods | 23:41 |
| holstein | what is that? | 23:41 |
| holstein | 1024? | 23:41 |
| holstein | 512? | 23:41 |
| plotino | wait | 23:42 |
| holstein | yup? | 23:42 |
| plotino | 1024 | 23:42 |
| holstein | OK | 23:42 |
| holstein | and periods/buffer 3? | 23:42 |
| plotino | 3 | 23:42 |
| holstein | OK | 23:42 |
| holstein | those are the 2 you should mess with | 23:42 |
| holstein | everything else is going to be OK | 23:42 |
| holstein | if you get an RT kernel | 23:43 |
| holstein | you just come in and check that realtime box | 23:43 |
| holstein | OK | 23:43 |
| holstein | save and close | 23:43 |
| holstein | and hit the start button | 23:43 |
| plotino | i try | 23:44 |
| plotino | error | 23:44 |
| holstein | what is the error? | 23:44 |
| plotino | could not connect to jack server as client | 23:44 |
| plotino | overall operation failed | 23:44 |
| plotino | unable to connect to server | 23:44 |
| holstein | OK | 23:45 |
| holstein | plotino: open the terminal | 23:45 |
| holstein | and run sudo qjackctl | 23:45 |
| plotino | i have to start the server? | 23:45 |
| holstein | and try starting it | 23:45 |
| plotino | the same | 23:45 |
| holstein | OK | 23:46 |
| holstein | so close that | 23:46 |
| holstein | and lets go back to jack control from the menu | 23:46 |
| holstein | and go to 'setup' again | 23:46 |
| holstein | plotino: did you mirror those settings? | 23:47 |
| holstein | priority should be default | 23:47 |
| holstein | not 25 | 23:47 |
| holstein | serverpath should just be what it was default too | 23:48 |
| holstein | driver should be ALSA | 23:48 |
| plotino | mirror? | 23:48 |
| plotino | i m checking | 23:48 |
| holstein | nothing under paramapters should be checked | 23:48 |
| plotino | piority is disabled | 23:49 |
| plotino | the same is the default | 23:50 |
| holstein | priority should be default | 23:50 |
| plotino | cannot load driver module alsa | 23:50 |
| plotino | says the log message window | 23:50 |
| plotino | i cannot change priority | 23:51 |
| holstein | yeah? | 23:51 |
| holstein | plotino: just hit the down button | 23:51 |
| holstein | it'll get around to default eventually | 23:51 |
| plotino | down button? | 23:51 |
| holstein | yeah | 23:52 |
| holstein | theres 2 buttons | 23:52 |
| holstein | to the right of 'priority' | 23:52 |
| holstein | tiny buttons | 23:52 |
| holstein | http://pastebin.com/ | 23:53 |
| holstein | you can paste your output there | 23:53 |
| holstein | and i can give it a look | 23:53 |
| holstein | all the error messages | 23:54 |
| plotino | holstein, thank you very much but now i have to go | 23:54 |
| plotino | it's late in italy | 23:54 |
| holstein | plotino: gotcha | 23:54 |
| plotino | i hope to meet again to fix this issue | 23:54 |
| holstein | we'll get you rolling some other time :) | 23:54 |
| plotino | thanks again | 23:54 |
| plotino | ok | 23:54 |
| plotino | bye and nice to meet you | 23:54 |
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