[05:07] <zus> is there any difference in file size or packages advantage, by installing the ubuntu studio packages vs individually?
[05:08] <holstein> i dont think so
[05:08] <holstein> should be the same zus
[05:08] <holstein> just easier
[05:08] <holstein> to get the meta-package
[05:08] <holstein> if its got the stuff you want in it
[05:08] <zus> hi holstein  :)
[05:08] <holstein> :)
[05:09] <zus> i found the mint KDE always been meaning to try it.
[07:18] <bryan_r59> good morning and day!
[07:18] <holstein> hey bryan_r59
[07:18] <bryan_r59> Is ubuntu studio adequate enough within a virtual machine? i have plenty of ram to give it
[07:19] <bryan_r59> and i think most 3d modeling packages use system ram
[07:20] <bryan_r59> one more thing if it isn't too much trouble to answer: how much disk space would a beginner artist need for his ubuntu studio to be used to full potential?
[07:21] <holstein> you can try it
[07:21] <holstein> but i would say you need to run blender and the like on metal
[07:21] <holstein> if you go the Vbox route
[07:21] <bryan_r59> lol
[07:21] <holstein> you can have the images grow
[07:21] <bryan_r59> yeah i am c hoose dynamic
[07:21] <holstein> video files are stupid large
[07:22] <bryan_r59> oh good point :)
[07:22] <holstein> and audio projects can take up space
[07:22] <holstein> but we usually record audio to a seperate HD
[07:22] <holstein> anyways
[07:22] <holstein> i would say 20GB minimum
[07:22] <holstein> that would be a comfortable place to get your feet wet
[07:23] <holstein> bryan_r59: i think a wubi install would be much more adequate
[07:23] <holstein> and just as non-permanant
[07:23] <bryan_r59> aight, i gave it 50 just in case. Also is it me, or does somehow having a better video card make the file size of images smaller?
[07:23] <bryan_r59> i mean on my host os
[07:23] <holstein> hmmm
[07:24] <holstein> not sure about that
[07:24] <bryan_r59> the file format i save as in the same i am sure
[07:24] <bryan_r59> compression too
[07:24] <bryan_r59> but i see a huge difference in the generated file size, even on huge screen shots and stuff
[07:24] <holstein> i suppose something in the rendering could be different
[07:25] <holstein> but i would think that would be processor before graphics
[07:25] <holstein> but again, im just not sure
[07:25] <holstein> i havent really paid much attention
[07:25]  * holstein is an audio guy
[07:26] <bryan_r59> Ok one last question. I have a Webcam that worked on my Windows 7 HOST OS, but since i switched to ubuntu 10.04 as my HOST, it can't detect is through VLC or CHEESE, and on the Windows GUEST it also cannot find it
[07:26] <bryan_r59> will ubuntu studio remedy this?
[07:27] <holstein> bryan_r59: no
[07:27] <holstein> theres not a whole lot of difference
[07:27] <bryan_r59> ok . then one more last question lol
[07:27] <holstein> bryan_r59: if you go to synaptic
[07:27] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[07:27] <holstein> you can see the meta packages that make up ubuntustudio
[07:27] <holstein> thats really about it
[07:27] <bryan_r59> oh
[07:27] <holstein> bryan_r59: there might be a package here and there
[07:27] <holstein> driver-wise
[07:28] <holstein> but mostly wacom tablet support
[07:28] <holstein> that kind of thing
[07:28] <bryan_r59> As an artist, what cam do you recommend as a webcam? i will go buy one now, if you have a recommendation
[07:28] <holstein> not webcams
[07:28] <holstein> bryan_r59: just google
[07:28] <bryan_r59> ok
[07:28] <holstein> and save you recipts ;)
[07:28] <bryan_r59> ttyl and ty
[07:28] <holstein> bryan_r59:
[07:28] <holstein> when you run lsusb
[07:28] <holstein> in terminal
[07:28] <holstein> do you see the webcam?
[07:28] <holstein> listed?
[07:29] <bryan_r59> one sec
[07:29] <holstein> what is the webcam?
[07:29] <bryan_r59> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 041e:403c Creative Technology, Ltd Webcam Live! Ultra
[07:29] <holstein> bryan_r59: thats good
[07:29] <holstein> that you see it there
[07:30] <holstein> you should be able to get it working i would guess
[07:30] <bryan_r59> i will google further for that too then
[07:30] <holstein> good idea
[07:30] <holstein> let us know ;)
[07:30] <holstein> :) *
[07:31] <holstein> bryan_r59: sometimes its as simple as enabling the backports repository
[07:31] <holstein> and installing a package
[07:35] <bryan_r59> i did so, but update manager and hardware drivers under administration found nothing to help
[07:35] <bryan_r59> thanks for the suggestion though
[07:35] <bryan_r59> might help later on
[07:36] <holstein> hardware drivers is typically for proprietary extra drivers
[07:36] <holstein> you'll have to find the package
[07:36] <holstein> IF thats what is needed
[07:36] <holstein> im just guessing really
[07:36] <holstein> it could be incompatible
[07:36] <holstein> but if you see it when you run lsusb
[07:36] <holstein> there is usually hope
[07:36] <holstein> bryan_r59: good luck
[23:07] <plotino> hi
[23:08] <plotino> i have problem
[23:08] <plotino> with audio
[23:08] <plotino> no midi audio in output using hydrigen
[23:10] <holstein> hey plotino
[23:10] <holstein> you got other sound?
[23:11] <holstein> plotino: you got JACK running properly?
[23:18] <plotino> nooooooooo
[23:18] <plotino> when i start jack
[23:18] <plotino> it stucks
[23:18] <plotino> saying .... Starting
[23:18] <plotino> and i have to kill ot
[23:18] <holstein> AH
[23:19] <holstein> well i would start there
[23:19] <plotino> is there any conflict with pulseaudio?
[23:19] <plotino> ok
[23:19] <plotino> you have procedure to follow?
[23:19] <plotino> :)
[23:19] <holstein> go to http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[23:19] <holstein> the first srceenshot is what you get when you launch jack control from the menu
[23:20] <holstein> then click on 'setup'
[23:20] <holstein> that will get you to the 2nd sreenshot
[23:20] <plotino> m
[23:20] <plotino> ok
[23:20] <holstein> plotino: is this an onboard soundcard?
[23:22] <holstein> plotino: is this ubuntu lucid?
[23:22] <holstein> is it a studio install?
[23:23] <holstein> or did you upgrade from standard ubuntu?
[23:23] <plotino> it is a ubuntu studio new installl
[23:23] <holstein> OK
[23:23] <plotino> the card is SB Live Platinum
[23:23] <holstein> run in a terminal
[23:23] <plotino> 5+1
[23:23] <holstein> uname -a
[23:23] <plotino> ok
[23:23] <holstein> generic, preempt, or realtime?
[23:23] <holstein> or just paste the output here
[23:23] <holstein> its not much
[23:24] <holstein> i use a soundblaster live
[23:24] <holstein> as a coaster ;)
[23:24] <holstein> so i dont get a ring on my desk from my beer glass :)
[23:24]  * holstein kidding
[23:24] <plotino> problems!!
[23:24] <plotino> holstein,
[23:25] <holstein> nah
[23:25] <plotino> i have tried to start jack again
[23:25] <holstein> it'll work
[23:25] <holstein> plotino: dont start it yet
[23:25] <plotino> but it freezed my desktop
[23:25] <holstein> hit the stop button
[23:25] <plotino> i dont get to open the shell :(
[23:25] <plotino> stop button doesn not answere
[23:25] <plotino> it's like winzoz
[23:25] <holstein> alt F2
[23:26] <holstein> or control alt F2
[23:26] <holstein> if not
[23:26] <holstein> you'll just have to restart i suppose
[23:26] <holstein> but we need to talk about those settings
[23:26] <holstein> and run a few tests
[23:26] <holstein> before starting JACK
[23:27] <plotino> ok
[23:28] <plotino> i recovered the shell
[23:28] <plotino> ok
[23:28] <plotino> so you have suggested me to setup jack as recommended in that site
[23:28] <holstein> plotino: nah
[23:29] <holstein> thats just for us to talk about
[23:29] <plotino> ah ok
[23:29] <holstein> so we know we are looking at the same thing
[23:30] <plotino> yes
[23:31] <holstein> OK
[23:31] <holstein> so run uname -a
[23:31] <holstein> past that here
[23:31] <plotino> wait
[23:31] <plotino> i launch the chat on the PC with ubutnu studio
[23:31] <holstein> paste*
[23:32] <holstein> OK
[23:32] <holstein> theres not much
[23:32] <holstein> many commands i mean
[23:32] <holstein> just a few more
[23:33] <plotino> holstein,
[23:33] <holstein> yup
[23:33] <plotino> 2.6.32-24-generic
[23:33] <holstein> OK
[23:33] <holstein> run
[23:33] <holstein> sudo adduser you audio
[23:33] <holstein> LIKE
[23:33] <holstein> my username is holstein
[23:34] <holstein> so
[23:34] <holstein> i do
[23:34] <holstein> sudo adduser holstein audio
[23:34] <plotino> you should be my user name , isnt it?
[23:34] <plotino> ok
[23:34] <holstein> probably will say you already in that group
[23:34] <plotino> exactly
[23:34] <holstein> OK
[23:35] <holstein> do you have sound otherwise?
[23:35] <holstein> sound works?
[23:35] <plotino> yes
[23:35] <holstein> OK
[23:35] <holstein> we'll skip running aplay -l then
[23:35] <holstein> SO
[23:35] <plotino> but i have always to set the correcrt output in pulse audio volume control
[23:35] <holstein> run jack control
[23:35] <holstein> and click setup
[23:35] <plotino> aplay -L
[23:35] <plotino> gives me an error
[23:35] <holstein> aplay -l
[23:36] <holstein> lowercase l
[23:36] <plotino> ah sorry
[23:36] <holstein> aplay -l and arecord -l
[23:36] <plotino> no that's ok
[23:36] <holstein> those just let you konw what ALSA is able to use
[23:36] <holstein> ANYWAY
[23:36] <holstein> just launch jack control
[23:36] <holstein> click setup
[23:36] <plotino> yes
[23:37] <holstein> and we'll both be looking at
[23:37] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[23:37] <holstein> the 2nd screenshot
[23:37] <holstein> on the left side
[23:37] <holstein> there is a check box
[23:37] <holstein> for realtime
[23:37] <holstein> UNcheck that
[23:37] <plotino> ok
[23:37] <plotino> done it
[23:37] <holstein> then in the bottom right
[23:37] <holstein> you see latency...
[23:37] <holstein> what is that?
[23:38] <plotino>  msec
[23:38] <holstein> yeah
[23:38] <plotino> 69.7 msec
[23:38] <holstein> OK
[23:39] <holstein> thats probably cool
[23:39] <holstein> samplerat
[23:39] <holstein> you probably want that to be 44100
[23:39] <holstein> there are 2 other settings that we tweak a lot
[23:39] <plotino> you think that it is quite low
[23:39] <plotino> ?
[23:39] <holstein> frames/periods
[23:39] <holstein> and periods/buffer
[23:39] <holstein> plotino: its not low
[23:40] <holstein> but you'll be OK getting that with no realtime kernel and that SBlive
[23:40] <holstein> thats probably do-able
[23:40] <plotino> ok
[23:40] <holstein> you might be able to get that down to 20msec
[23:40] <holstein> but i wouldnt sweat it
[23:41] <holstein> if you dont use soft synths
[23:41] <holstein> or do any realtime effects processing
[23:41] <holstein> OK
[23:41] <holstein> frames/periods
[23:41] <holstein> what is that?
[23:41] <holstein> 1024?
[23:41] <holstein> 512?
[23:42] <plotino> wait
[23:42] <holstein> yup?
[23:42] <plotino> 1024
[23:42] <holstein> OK
[23:42] <holstein> and periods/buffer 3?
[23:42] <plotino> 3
[23:42] <holstein> OK
[23:42] <holstein> those are the 2 you should mess with
[23:42] <holstein> everything else is going to be OK
[23:43] <holstein> if you get an RT kernel
[23:43] <holstein> you just come in and check that realtime box
[23:43] <holstein> OK
[23:43] <holstein> save and close
[23:43] <holstein> and hit the start button
[23:44] <plotino> i try
[23:44] <plotino> error
[23:44] <holstein> what is the error?
[23:44] <plotino> could not connect to jack server as client
[23:44] <plotino> overall operation failed
[23:44] <plotino> unable to connect to server
[23:45] <holstein> OK
[23:45] <holstein> plotino: open the terminal
[23:45] <holstein> and run sudo qjackctl
[23:45] <plotino> i have to start the server?
[23:45] <holstein> and try starting it
[23:45] <plotino> the same
[23:46] <holstein> OK
[23:46] <holstein> so close that
[23:46] <holstein> and lets go back to jack control from the menu
[23:46] <holstein> and go to 'setup' again
[23:47] <holstein> plotino: did you mirror those settings?
[23:47] <holstein> priority should be default
[23:47] <holstein> not 25
[23:48] <holstein> serverpath should just be what it was default too
[23:48] <holstein> driver should be ALSA
[23:48] <plotino> mirror?
[23:48] <plotino> i m checking
[23:48] <holstein> nothing under paramapters should be checked
[23:49] <plotino> piority is disabled
[23:50] <plotino> the same is the default
[23:50] <holstein> priority should be default
[23:50] <plotino> cannot load driver module alsa
[23:50] <plotino> says the log message window
[23:51] <plotino> i cannot change priority
[23:51] <holstein> yeah?
[23:51] <holstein> plotino: just hit the down button
[23:51] <holstein> it'll get around to default eventually
[23:51] <plotino> down button?
[23:52] <holstein> yeah
[23:52] <holstein> theres 2 buttons
[23:52] <holstein> to the right of 'priority'
[23:52] <holstein> tiny buttons
[23:53] <holstein> http://pastebin.com/
[23:53] <holstein> you can paste your output there
[23:53] <holstein> and i can give it a look
[23:54] <holstein> all the error messages
[23:54] <plotino> holstein, thank you very much but now  i have to go
[23:54] <plotino> it's late in italy
[23:54] <holstein> plotino: gotcha
[23:54] <plotino> i hope to meet again to fix this issue
[23:54] <holstein> we'll get you rolling some other time :)
[23:54] <plotino> thanks again
[23:54] <plotino> ok
[23:54] <plotino> bye and nice to meet you