[00:00] <Daskreech> Anyone tested last nights daily live?
[00:09] <apachelogger> yay
[00:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: I can do audio with vlc backend
[00:10] <Riddell> mm hmm
[00:11] <Riddell> dantti_work: "Remover" -> "Remove" or "Uninstall"
[00:12] <Riddell> maybe that's already translated
[00:12] <Riddell> "Export Installed Package List..."
[00:12] <Riddell> "Install Package from List..."
[01:55] <dantti> Riddell: k, thanks, and yes that was translated... btw after upgrade to qt4.7 kvirc get's dam slow after some time
[04:04] <ScottK> Someone should merge kdelibs from Debian.
[04:04]  * ScottK is far to tired.
[08:46] <debfx> apachelogger: indeed, it needs to pass the -- ... as the last parameter
[08:47] <apachelogger> debfx: I am not sure how we can ensure that
[08:47] <apachelogger> possibly something closer to dh_builddeb 
[08:49] <apachelogger> dantti: so, I have a tray item saying there are updates, then I click it and the updater starts, since I just booted I click the check for new updates button, it does stuff and kaboom ... my update list is empty :(
[08:51]  * Nightrose fluffles apachelogger
[08:57]  * apachelogger fluffs Nightrose
[08:57] <apachelogger> so
[08:57] <apachelogger> phonon-gst does srsly nasty shit
[08:57] <apachelogger> and that is responsible for it being the only backend to work with qtwebkit videos
[08:57] <apachelogger> because
[08:58] <apachelogger> in a qtwebkit context the videowidget will not have a parent and without a parent any widget will feel unwilling to paint stuff
[08:59] <apachelogger> phonon-gst is of gst, xine and vlc the only backend to implement logic that allows painting even if no direct parent is available
[09:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I fixed phonon-vlc bugs btw :P
[09:01] <Nightrose> \o/
[09:03] <apachelogger> dantti: and the deatils button is broken (it does not do no nothing)
[09:04] <valorie> apachelogger: ALL the bugs?
[09:05] <apachelogger> there are more? :O
[09:05] <valorie> I can recompile and Amarok won't crash anymore?
[09:05] <apachelogger> there is a crash?
[09:05] <valorie> hahaha
[09:05] <valorie> my hopes are dashed
[09:05] <apachelogger> well, I observed a crash indeed when playing a video and quitting rekonq
[09:05] <valorie> crashes on quit
[09:05] <valorie> which is so odd
[09:05]  * apachelogger supposes something does not get cleaned up properly inside the backend
[09:05] <valorie> sometimes, a minute later!
[09:06] <valorie> indeed
[09:06] <apachelogger> valorie: well, amarok takes its time to quit ... which is really the odd thing :P
[09:06] <valorie> saves layout and playlists and such
[09:06] <valorie> right, it's rather pokey
[09:08] <apachelogger> since the layout is only a qbytearray dump and the playlist is probably not 1 million entries long I do not see what takes so long  :P
[09:08] <apachelogger> I mean, clearly it ought to be saving and cleanup and whatnot, but it just seems a bit odd that shutdown would take so long
[09:09] <valorie> some people do have half a million in their playlists
[09:09] <valorie> oddly enough
[09:09] <valorie> and you just can't talk them out of it
[09:09]  * apachelogger is going to buy a dell studio 7 with core i5
[09:09] <apachelogger> valorie: that will never change ^^
[09:09] <valorie> well, mostly they are 16
[09:10] <valorie> and have been "doing that forever"
[09:10] <valorie> so there is hope
[09:10] <apachelogger> no no
[09:10] <valorie> if they grow up
[09:10] <apachelogger> in 5 years time there will be new users who are 16 :P
[09:10] <apachelogger> seee that is the vicious circle of making babies :P
[09:10] <valorie> lol
[09:10] <valorie> by then, maybe they will have discovered dynamic playlists
[09:11] <apachelogger> 5 years ago we told people not to load their entire collection into the playlist
[09:11] <apachelogger> and apparently little changed since then ^^
[09:11] <valorie> or the music will be beamed directly into our brains
[09:11] <apachelogger> valorie: imagine the quality!
[09:11] <valorie> with lasers!
[09:11] <apachelogger> oh
[09:11] <apachelogger> that is certainly unhealthy
[09:11] <valorie> lol
[09:11] <valorie> only if you LOOK
[09:11] <apachelogger> like those radio waves
[09:11] <apachelogger> ~~~~~~ <- radio waves
[09:12]  * valorie shudders in fear
[09:12] <valorie> the fillings in my teeth are picking something up!
[09:12] <apachelogger> oh my
[09:12] <apachelogger> OH MY
[09:12] <apachelogger> phonon is a silly rabbit
[09:13] <apachelogger> also phonon-vlc is a silly rabbit too since I need to jump through a couple of hoops to get thins working
[09:13] <apachelogger> -.-
[09:14] <apachelogger> ah
[09:14] <apachelogger> uh
[09:14] <apachelogger> eh
[09:14] <apachelogger> idea
[09:14] <apachelogger> nastyidea(tm)
[09:14] <valorie> ooo, fun!
[09:17] <apachelogger> oh my lord
[09:17] <apachelogger> badnastyidea(tm)
[09:17] <apachelogger> you know, it is quite mind warping that gst, xine and vlc use commpletely different architectural ways to paint a video
[09:18] <valorie> doesn't diversity make for a strong code base?
[09:19] <valorie> like in nature, you know
[09:19] <apachelogger> not if they need todo the same crap :P
[09:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: spooky enough, in Konqueror the HTML5 video works fine but the audio doesn't appear
[09:20] <apachelogger> uff?
[09:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: with gst?
[09:20] <Riddell> with xine
[09:20] <apachelogger> oh
[09:22] <apachelogger> oh
[09:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: with khtml?
[09:23] <apachelogger> khtml uses Phonon::VideoPlayer I think
[09:23] <apachelogger> whereas qtwebkit use the GUI of webkit and backs it up with a custom combo of Phonon foo for playback
[09:24] <apachelogger> which is the reason the videowidget doesnt have a parent widget ;)
[09:31] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[09:31] <agateau> Riddell: I attached a link to the proposed patch for bug #618727
[09:32] <agateau> Riddell: do you think it can go in?
[09:38] <Riddell> agateau: yes I think it should
[09:38] <Riddell> I can do that later
[09:38] <agateau> Riddell: great
[09:39] <debfx> agateau: does the gnome implementation of statusnotifieritem just ignore setOverlayIconBy*()?
[09:39] <agateau> debfx: yes it does, among other things :/
[09:39] <debfx> so as long as amarok calls setIconByName() once it's fine?
[09:39] <agateau> debfx: yes
[09:40] <agateau> debfx: gnome impl does not support overlay, passing icons by data or tooltips :/
[09:43] <debfx> oh well, at least we can drop the amarok patch with the new beta
[12:05] <apachelogger> dell's website is rather crappy I must say
[12:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger++
[12:31] <shadeslayer> dell--
[12:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you see new post in rekonq ML ?
[12:37] <shadeslayer> 3 days to FF :P
[12:37] <shadeslayer> 3 weeks to final release of 1.0 
[12:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not read it yet, but I should yes
[12:43]  * shadeslayer hunts for rekonq bugs 
[12:45]  * apachelogger hunts for qtwebkit bugs
[12:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do about rekonq btw?
[12:46] <apachelogger> people I have talked to all said it was too unstable
[12:46] <apachelogger> and I must agree
[12:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: what problems do you have?
[12:47] <apachelogger> crashingness in general
[12:47] <Riddell> I find it suitably stable now
[12:47] <apachelogger> random crashes, some in flash, some elsewhere
[12:48] <apachelogger> also I find the addressbar very hard to use ... though that might be because I am used too much to chrome
[12:48] <Riddell> the issues I have with it are comments on launchpad bugs giving an error, crash on tags on kubuntu.org, flash creating an empty window
[12:48] <Riddell> the addressbar doesn't update the urlbar if you press the down key, that's been fixed.  I believe the favicons for search engines are being fixed
[12:50] <debfx> Riddell: does rekonq crash when opening http://maps.google.com/ ?
[12:51] <Riddell> nope
[12:54] <Riddell> dpm: translations day on friday?
[12:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: works for me too.. ( maps.google )
[12:55] <shadeslayer> and i definitely need to code in ctrl+enter support :/
[12:55] <debfx> for me rekonq crashes on several websites, backtrace is always similar to the one in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=247825
[12:56] <shadeslayer> debfx: ill looksie at it
[12:56] <shadeslayer> although i have no video @ youtube... just sound.. i haz the flash
[12:58] <shadeslayer> debfx: try with rekonq 0.5.55
[12:58] <Riddell> he did
[12:59] <shadeslayer> ->fool()
[12:59] <debfx> I even built a new qtwebkit weekly snapshot
[13:12] <dpm> Riddell, I hope yes. I hadn't said anything because I've been trying to start the process to generate a full language pack. Last week there was a problem with the exports and this week there was a bug in LP that has just been cherrypicked today. The full export is running, and should be finished by the end of today or early tomorrow. After that, langpack-o-matic should package the translations and upload the new language packs. Let me re-check with pit
[13:12] <dpm> ti if Friday is still ok or it might be too tight.
[13:13] <shadeslayer> debfx: seems to work for all of us @ #rekonq :(
[13:13] <shadeslayer> any specific steps to reproduce? or just opening maps.google crashes it
[13:16] <Riddell> dpm: ok
[13:20] <debfx> shadeslayer: just opening maps.google.com crashes rekonq
[13:37] <Riddell> debfx: how's the amarok packages doing?
[13:39] <debfx> Riddell: it's ready, I pushed it to bzr and ninjas
[13:40] <Riddell> so what PPA to put it in I wonder
[13:40] <Riddell> Nightrose: when is release due?
[13:41] <Nightrose> Riddell: in a few hours
[13:41] <Nightrose> let's say in around 4 to 5
[13:42] <Riddell> Nightrose: can I upload to our archives now to make sure it's ready in time?
[13:42] <Nightrose> yea
[13:43] <sheytan> Nightrose are you talking about amarok in 4-5h? :D
[13:43] <Nightrose> yes
[13:43]  * sheytan likes new stuff :D
[13:43] <Nightrose> :D
[14:03] <dantti_work> apachelogger: about the systray problem, when the updater opens does it have updates?
[14:03] <apachelogger> dantti_work: aye
[14:04] <dantti_work> is that a yes ?
[14:04] <apachelogger> yes
[14:04] <dantti_work> so, what do you think the problem is? 
[14:05] <dantti_work> if when it opened it had updates that's why the systray showed up
[14:05] <dantti_work> after you refreshed the list got empty?
[14:06] <apachelogger> yes
[14:06] <apachelogger> so supposedly the actual list refreshing goes wrong ... because if i close the window and open it again the list is populated properly again
[14:11] <dantti_work> apachelogger: hmm well I've done several changes in kpk that might have fixed that since here it works fine..
[14:12] <dantti_work> apachelogger: can you try building last svn?
[14:13]  * dantti_work refreshed the list several times and still got the updates list..
[14:21] <debfx> shadeslayer: after deleting all rekonq config files, it doesn't crash anymore :o
[14:21] <shadeslayer> :O
[14:32] <fregl> in the ppa with kde 4.5 the qt is missing assistant. that blocks the update in the gui.
[14:37] <amichair> shadeslayer: is the s-p-k fix ok? should I  nudge someone to merge it?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> im yet to check.. i dont know where the frickin deb went
[14:38] <shadeslayer> fregl: free for a folderview patch review?
[14:38] <fregl> folderview? I never touched that stuff
[14:39] <debfx> fregl: what packages depend on it? it has been removed from the qt 4.7
[14:40] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:40] <fregl> debfx: no packages, I had it installed before, so now the upgrade was blocked because it was not available any more I guess
[14:40] <shadeslayer> wrong Frederik i think
[14:40] <Riddell> fregl: libqtassistant has been removed by upstream
[14:41] <fregl> Riddell: upstream... uhh... ok
[14:41] <fregl> well, I just wanted to let you know that for me the upgrade was blocked. doing it the preferred way with aptitude works of course
[14:43] <fregl> for me personally it's no issue, just seems weird
[14:44] <Riddell> fregl: yes, Qt not really keeping to their binary compatibility promises
[14:47] <fregl> Riddell: so the lib is gone, but assistant is still there? ok. I have never even used that thing... still interesting
[14:47] <Riddell> right, it uses the new QtHelp library I think
[14:48] <fregl> ok
[14:49] <debfx> Riddell: do you know if the assistant compat library is abi compatible?
[14:50] <Riddell> debfx: different SONAME I think
[14:50] <Riddell> so we'd need to recompile all the rdepends to support it in lucid, I don't think it's worth it
[14:51] <fregl> Riddell: debfx: is there stuff depending on this lib? is this a real issue?
[14:52] <Riddell> a few scientific apps, presumably you have one installed if your upgrade got blocked
[14:52] <apachelogger> dantti_work: same thing with trunk
[14:53] <dantti_work> hmm weird let me check the code
[14:54] <debfx> Riddell: it has the same soname
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> So, now that install-package is gone it looks like there is nothing keeping gdebi-kde on the CD. However I don't think that aptcc can do .deb installation yet...
[14:55] <debfx> if it is just the code from qt 4.6.3 it should be compatible
[14:56] <Riddell> debfx: mm, I guess you could make symbols files and compare
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> We should probably add it back to the seed, even if gdebi-kde is lacking in maintenance :(
[14:56] <Riddell> dantti_work: aptcc can't do .deb installation?
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopxd1575
[14:57] <dantti_work> Riddell: not yet, as you said you use deb something (fogot the name) I didn't work on adding this
[14:58] <dantti_work> yes gdebi-kde
[14:58] <dantti_work> it's quite complicate to resolve .deb dependencies libapt does not handle that
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> we'll have to add it back to the CD seeds for 10.10. It used to be pulled in as a dependency of install-package, but that's gone now
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> I can get on that
[14:59] <Riddell> thanks JontheEchidna 
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I'm also giving libdebconf-kde0 a symbols file so that we can build KPK against it
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> well, so that we can MIR it
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> and then get KPK to build against it
[15:01] <Riddell> lovely
[15:08] <ScottK> Testers needed for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/lucid/daily-live/current/ - I'll work on it too, but not until tomorrow.
[15:08] <debfx> Riddell: two symbols are missing: _ZGVZ13qvariant_castI8QVariantET_RKS0_E3vid@Base and _ZN5QListI7QStringE13detach_helperEv@Base
[15:09] <dantti_work> apachelogger: can you try applying this patch on KcmKpkUpdate.cpp to see if it fixes your issue?
[15:09] <debfx> they don't appear to be relevant, but i'm not a c++ expert
[15:09] <apachelogger> dantti_work: what patch?
[15:09] <apachelogger> though generally, yes ^^
[15:09] <dantti_work> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/K913eRwR  oops :P
[15:12] <apachelogger> ...
[15:13] <apachelogger> dantti_work: worky worky
[15:13] <apachelogger> dantti_work: btw, sometimes the "stuff is going on" icon does not go away
[15:14] <dantti_work> apachelogger: hmm well that might be a problem that I have no idea of how to fix that in packagekit-qt
[15:14] <dantti_work> apachelogger: what happens is that QtDBus proxies loose it comunication and don't reconnect again...
[15:15] <apachelogger> that is odd, usually they should just reconnect I think :S
[15:15] <dantti_work> yup, gtk-proxy works :P so they should too
[15:16] <dantti_work> but I need to make sure it's not a missusing
[15:16] <CIA-61> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1164714 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Mirror InitError handling improvements from Muon in qapt-batch
[15:24] <fregl> hm, 4.5 upgrade went well. except that I ended up not having kdebase-workspace-bin installed, bit unfortunate but probably my bad
[15:26] <debfx> Sput: quassel 0.7 beta has some word-wrap issues, sometimes it puts the last char of a word in the next line
[15:28] <yofel> debfx: known, our qt version is too old
[15:33] <debfx> hopefully they release 4.7 RC soon, this is really annoying
[15:40] <Riddell> fregl: can you install it now?
[15:41] <fregl> Riddell: yeah, it works all fine, it's just that I had kubuntu-desktop not installed, so nothing depended on it. that meant I didn't have plasma...
[15:46] <debfx> Riddell: I tested a package from lucid that uses qt assistant
[15:47] <debfx> it works fine on maverick, do you mind if I add a transitional package?
[15:48] <AnAnt> could someone comment on LP #619073 ?
[15:49] <fregl> debfx: thanks for taking care of that stuff
[15:51] <Riddell> hi AnAnt 
[15:51] <AnAnt> Hello
[15:53] <Riddell> AnAnt: I think the patch should be kept, Office is the wrong place for that programme
[15:53] <Riddell> I'll comment
[15:53] <AnAnt> thanks
[15:54] <Riddell> debfx: go ahead
[15:55] <Riddell> debfx: hang on, on maverick?
[15:55] <Riddell> fregl's problem is in lucid
[15:56] <fregl> Riddell: well, I don't have a problem really... you can say people activating the ppa are on their own
[15:59] <alvin> Shouldn't there be a warning about bug 615902 then? (The blocked upgrade) After all, KDE 4.5 is news on kubuntu.org
[16:04] <Riddell> alvin: that bug seems to be a confusion of several issues, many of which should be fixed
[16:06] <alvin> I thought as much. Will these issues be fixed for Lucid as well?
[16:09] <Riddell> alvin: many are fixed I should say
[16:09] <Riddell> qtassistant is the main one left and that's upstream's fault and doesn't affect many people
[16:14] <alvin> Aptitude why (etc...) tells me that libqt4-assistant is installed because of kubuntu-desktop (who recommends printer-applet -> python-kde4 -> python-qt4 -> libqt4-assistant)
[16:19] <Riddell> alvin: python-qt4_4.7.3-1ubuntu2~lucid1~ppa2 from the PPA removes the dependency on libqt4-assistant
[16:21] <dantti_work> Riddell: is that related to qtassistand having a weird style? (seems like a broken CSS)
[16:21] <dantti_work> *assistant
[16:23] <Riddell> dantti_work: I would guess that's related to changes during the porting of qtassistant yes
[16:24] <alvin> Riddell: I was using aptitude... Now I see that apt-get doesn't complain about blocked upgrades anymore. (now trying)
[16:26] <Riddell> Nightrose: is there a release schedule for amarok?
[16:27] <Nightrose> Riddell: final of 2.3.2 at the end of the month - beyond that no
[16:27] <Riddell> that's the version I care about
[16:28] <Riddell> so my thinking is we should clear the beta PPA of the 4.5 betas, put amarok 2.3.2 betas in there for maverick and lucid, when 2.3.2 final comes out we can consider it for feature freeze exception in maverick
[16:28] <Riddell> debfx: how does that sound? ^^
[16:31] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/fg1hM : rekonq fix when kget is not installed ;)
[16:31] <debfx> Riddell: sounds good
[16:32] <shadeslayer> now all i have to do is display a Warning there to install KGet
[16:33] <Riddell> "warning, kget can mess with your download experience"
[16:34]  * Riddell has never seen the point of kget
[16:34] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[16:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: in the current behaviour you can check those boxes and the user  will think that KGet is already installed
[16:40] <debfx> Riddell: in lucid and maverick so we have a clean upgrade path on both
[16:41] <Riddell> debfx: what what?
[16:41] <debfx> adding a libqt4-assistant transitional package
[16:43] <Riddell> in theory maverick shouldn't need it, the packages will depend on the new package
[16:44] <Riddell> I may be being overly optimistic about apt's abilities though, so yes you may as well
[16:44] <Riddell> debfx: where did debian/patches/kubuntu/08_fix_handbook_install_location.diff comes from?  should it go upstream?
[16:49] <debfx> Riddell: from me, already reported it to Nightrose
[17:09] <eMyller> heua
[17:09] <eMyller> did you see ofirk lately?
[17:13] <Riddell> only briefly late at night
[17:18] <shadeslayer> eMyller: hes not on gtalk as well... 
[17:19] <eMyller> i talked to him last night
[17:19] <eMyller> thanks :)
[17:36] <Quintasan> Did someone ping me
[17:36] <Riddell> no but it's nice to have you anyway :)
[17:37] <Quintasan> :O
[17:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: Hi there
[17:38] <neversfelde> oh, feature freeze, why did I missed that :)
[17:39] <neversfelde> any complaints about kdevelop in the backports ppa?
[17:42] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: for mav?
[17:42] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: for lucid
[17:42] <shadeslayer> oh.. who cares about lucid anymore :P
[17:42]  * shadeslayer is all for mav
[17:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: anything I should be doing to put this amarok beta through testing?
[17:47] <sheytan> eMyller he will be here in the next 2 days :)
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol.. ubuntuone-kde icon fixed its self
[17:50] <Riddell> neversfelde: no complaints so I guess it's all good
[17:51] <neversfelde> great, I uploaded it very early in the morning and went on a vacation after it :)
[17:54] <debfx> is there a schedule for kde 4.5.*?
[17:56] <Riddell> debfx: nope
[17:57] <Nightrose> Riddell: sorry was on the phone
[17:57] <Nightrose> put it trough testing in what sense?
[17:58] <debfx> Riddell: you're right, apt handles the qt assistant transition fine (lucid->maverick)
[18:03] <Riddell> Nightrose: well it's playing music nicely, anything else I should be testing?
[18:03] <Nightrose> Riddell: ah hehe
[18:03] <Nightrose> hmmmm
[18:03] <Nightrose> you have a collection?
[18:03] <Nightrose> and see if last.fm is there
[18:03] <Riddell> I do
[18:04] <Nightrose> ok then you should be ok i think
[18:04] <Riddell> last.fm is there, it successfully tells me I need to pay when I try to play a stream
[18:04] <Riddell> even though I can listen through the lastfm application for free
[18:06] <Nightrose> jep that's supposed to be that way
[18:06] <Nightrose> yay for music industry
[18:07] <Riddell> ooh Amarok Theme is nice
[18:07] <Nightrose> :)
[18:09] <Nightrose> away for a bit
[18:10] <Riddell> Amarok building now in beta PPA for lucid and maverick
[18:10]  * Riddell out for a bit too
[18:12] <shadeslayer> whut theme?
[18:13] <ScottK> shadeslayer: How's kmymoney going?
[18:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i contacted debian and they said that i can package it for debian as well, since we have no ubuntu specific changes we can then sync it
[18:14] <ScottK> Great.
[18:14] <ScottK> Speaking of Debian....
[18:14] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kdelibs needs a merge from Debian.  Up for it?
[18:15] <shadeslayer> ill start on it in about 30 mins.. need to finish this report first
[18:15] <shadeslayer> erm.. cant :(
[18:17] <shadeslayer> and now i haz full blown power outage ^_^
[18:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can it wait till sunday? :P
[18:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes
[18:21] <shadeslayer> if its not taken up till then, then ill merge it
[18:22] <nigelb> ScottK: didn't you have intel 855?
[18:22] <ScottK> nigelb: No.  865.
[18:22] <nigelb> ScottK: did you get the normal live cd working?
[18:22] <ScottK> It's also ~100 miles from where I am right now.
[18:23] <ScottK> I didn't try Maverick with it yet.
[18:23] <nigelb> Lucid...
[18:23] <ScottK> It works ~fine on Luicd.
[18:24] <ScottK> It's not as stable as I'd like, but not horrible and kwin compositing even works.
[18:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I can take the merge
[18:33] <Quintasan> ScottK: ^
[18:34] <shadeslayer> sure feel free to
[18:34] <ScottK> Quintasan: Great.
[18:34] <shadeslayer> im overloaded with $WORK :P
[18:42] <nigelb> ScottK: um, I put in lucid, I can't get in.
[18:43] <ScottK> nigelb: 845/855 support is somewhat spotty.  It varies a lot depending on exactly what versions you have.
[18:43] <ScottK> I'd ask in #ubuntu-x.
[18:44] <nigelb> ScottK: I'm running karmic for now.  But its xubuntu and i want to move to kubuntu lucid.
[18:44] <ScottK> Generally Lucid is better for Intel than Karmic (my 865 machine needed some PPA package to work at all on Karmic)
[18:46] <nigelb> What's happening is compiz being enabled by default thingy.
[18:46]  * nigelb needs to sit with this lappy for a day.
[18:46] <nigelb> I'm too busy doing stuff with it to fix it.
[18:46] <nigelb> There is a ppa with a fix.  But I can't get to some place where I can access a terminal to get it.
[18:46] <ScottK> Odd.  kwin is pretty good about shutting itself off if it's causing problem.
[18:47] <ScottK> Boot to rescue mode with networking?
[18:47] <nigelb> I see the plymouth screen and then nada.
[18:47] <nigelb> I thought hat was a windows thing?
[18:49] <ScottK> That's probably X crashing.
[19:26] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Quintasan is treating me badly and threatens me!!!!!!!!!
[19:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: :<
[19:26] <Quintasan> Trolololololol
[19:27]  * Nightrose looks at Quintasan
[19:27] <Nightrose> you don't do that!
[19:27]  * Nightrose whistles
[19:27] <Quintasan> Who is threatening who apachelogger?
[19:27]  * Nightrose goes back to amarok releasage
[19:27] <Quintasan> Nightrose: but he spams my channel :<
[19:28] <Nightrose> Quintasan: he's apachelogger - he's allowed to do that
[19:28] <Nightrose> (i think)
[19:28] <apachelogger> 90% of the stuff i say is either flood or spam or both
[19:28] <Quintasan> No, they do not make sense
[19:29] <Quintasan> But triggerring a endless loop which resulted in endless repetition of "Hello" is :P
[19:29] <Quintasan> is spam :P
[19:29] <apachelogger> It was not repetition!!!!
[19:29] <apachelogger> it was variation thereof
[19:30] <Quintasan> But the sense was the same
[19:30] <Quintasan> :P
[19:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: doesn't matter now, get back in there or no cookies and fame for you
[19:30] <Quintasan> ;)
[19:31] <apachelogger> I do not need no cokies nor fame no more
[19:31] <apachelogger> soon I will get my own documentary film
[19:31] <Quintasan> Oooh? :>
[19:32] <apachelogger> hmmmmmhmmmmmmhmmmmmm
[19:32] <Quintasan> No cookies, are you really sure?
[19:32] <apachelogger> now I wonder how rekonq worked before todays upgrade
[19:32] <apachelogger> odd enough
[19:32]  * Quintasan takes the tray with cookies from kubotu as soon as he arrives
[19:32] <apachelogger> kubotu has a sekrit warehouse
[19:32] <apachelogger> no dice getting there
[19:32] <apachelogger> we tried
[19:32] <apachelogger> he apparently has endless supplies of beer there
[19:32] <apachelogger> which is a very good reason to try getting there
[19:33] <Quintasan> No wonder you are sometimes not making any sense :P
[19:33] <apachelogger> it is just because I am so old and wise
[19:33] <Quintasan> >wise
[19:33] <apachelogger> I have seen you cannot even imagine
[19:34] <Quintasan> I will keep diplomatic silence here
[19:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: phonon is made out of madness, I demand insanity to go to war with phonon!
[19:35] <Nightrose> aiai
[19:35] <Quintasan> Therefore I herby delegate apachelogger to declare war on Phonon
[19:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger, I bestow upon you the title of Warrior of Insanity!
[19:36] <apachelogger> hm
[19:36] <debfx> make love, not war!
[19:36] <apachelogger> one can say about gst a lot of things
[19:36] <apachelogger> but it certainly supports a shitload of codecs
[19:36] <Quintasan> +1 on that
[19:36] <Quintasan> debfx: It's not possible with Phonon
[19:37] <Quintasan> Phonon has crossed the line of madness long ago
[19:37] <apachelogger> what the firefly
[19:38] <apachelogger> why do I have a billion ~/.cache/virtuoso_*.ini files?
[19:38] <apachelogger> and what are they
[19:38] <apachelogger> and why do they not get cleaned up
[19:38] <apachelogger> and why and when and where
[19:38] <Quintasan> Trollmachine
[19:38] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[19:39] <apachelogger> QStateMachine ftw!
[19:39] <debfx> do you seriously expect virtuoso to just work?
[19:39] <Quintasan> debfx: +1
[19:40] <apachelogger> I expect it to not take a dump in my .cache dir and then not clean up
[19:41] <Quintasan> What you expect and what takes place are usually two different things
[19:41] <apachelogger> clearly
[19:41] <apachelogger> because
[19:42] <apachelogger> #fail
[19:43] <Quintasan> Well, do not blame me for that. I did not invent Virtuoso
[19:44] <Quintasan> Nor did I invent that stupid indexing in KDE
[19:44]  * shadeslayer has met one of the co-contributors of Nepomuk
[19:45] <shadeslayer> he said its going to improve lots
[19:45] <shadeslayer> lets see :P
[19:45] <Quintasan> I'm eagerly awaiting it to do so
[19:58] <yofel> txwikinger: still have bug 449252 ? I haven't seen that in quite a while
[19:58] <neversfelde> so Natty Narwhal ?
[19:59] <yofel> wtf?
[19:59] <yofel> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/449252
[19:59] <maco> google define:natty tells me it means dapper or jaunty
[19:59] <maco> i wonder if sabdfl is having fun with a thesaurus
[19:59] <maco> yofel: i havent seen it in a while either. it used to spawn 70-200 processes for me
[20:00] <sabdfl> heh. it's wild over here in the isle of man :p
[20:01] <yofel> maco: right, for me too, but it behaves good since  a while ago, so if possible txwikinger should close the bug
[20:02] <nigelb> sabdfl: haha.
[20:03] <txwikinger> yofel: I don't remember. Have to look in the details. I have a couple of bugs spawning lots of processes
[20:06] <txwikinger> Ah that one... Haven't seen it for a while.. and it was a karmic beta
[20:23]  * txwikinger subconscience is still trying to find the association between the Isle of Man and a thesaurus
[21:10] <dantti_work> kdeinit4 is the one that calls kded isn't it?
[21:40] <apachelogger> dantti_work: calls?
[21:40] <apachelogger> dantti_work: you mean starts?
[21:40] <fdo> hello
[21:40] <apachelogger> yo fdo
[21:40] <dantti_work> apachelogger: yup
[21:40] <apachelogger> dantti_work: yeah, that is kdeinit4
[21:41] <fdo> hi i have questions about the kde pythin bindings
[21:41] <dantti_work> it seems so, it's just that a kpackagekit bug report was on kdeint4 but looking at the top of the report I saw kded...
[21:41] <dantti_work> thanks btw
[21:42] <fdo> is anybody here who is familiar with this?
[21:42] <Riddell> ** testers needed for Amarok beta, maverick and lucid https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[21:42] <fdo> pythin -> python
[21:42] <Riddell> fdo: go ahead and ask
[21:43] <fdo> i want to write a kio but i cant find any tutorial for kde4
[21:43] <fdo> hi Riddell
[21:44] <fdo> Riddell: the tutorials on the kde sides (and python) are for kde3
[21:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: is lichts still available?
[21:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: it got reinstalled for lucid.1 testing, I can turn it back on if you need it
[21:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: would be nice, I want to copy some recipes over
[21:44] <Riddell> fdo: I don't know I'm afraid, quite possibly that never got ported to KDE 4
[21:45] <Riddell> fdo: pykde maintainer sime isn't on the channel, so I think you need to ask on the kdebindings mailing list
[21:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: what was your user name?
[21:45] <Riddell> or what user name would you like?
[21:45] <fdo> ok thanks on the kde sides this irc is on top :o)
[21:46] <fdo> Riddell the maintainers name is sime?!
[21:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: my username was michal
[21:46] <Riddell> fdo: that's his irc nick
[21:46] <Quintasan> it could be quintasan now :P
[21:46] <fdo> Riddell: thanks ... Have a nice day!
[21:47] <maco> fdo: my experience with pykde & pyqt is that docs are few and far between, and the thing to do is read the normal C++ docs then mentally translate them to python syntax since the APIs are the same
[21:47] <fdo> hi maco
[21:48] <fdo> maco: i have read (the last 2 weeks) all i could find, but i dont know how i compile my script
[21:48] <fdo> marc: the tutorial was for kde3
[21:48] <Riddell> Quintasan: she's up
[21:48] <Quintasan> thx
[21:49] <maco> fdo: better off using a c++ kde4 one as itll at least have the right function names and such
[21:49] <maco> s/one/tutorial/
[21:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: username is michal, right?
[21:50] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes, with quintasan@nightwalker ssh key
[21:50] <fdo> maco: i found a blog entry from the rubby side ... and he is used exec=krubypluginfactory
[21:50] <Quintasan> huh
[21:50] <Quintasan> it asks me for password
[21:50] <maco> fdo: to run a python script you just type "python" before its name
[21:50] <fdo> maco: im not good at cpp
[21:51] <fdo> :o)
[21:51] <maco> fdo: im not saying /write/ c++, i'm saying /read/ it and use it to write python
[21:51] <fdo> maco i want to use it as a kio
[21:51] <maco> i dont know any C++ but thats how ive done all the pykde ive had to do
[21:52] <maco> tutorials for pykde4 are not common. you need to just look at normal, c++ kde4 examples and docs, then mentally turn it into python
[21:52] <fdo> i had written my class and all needed functions and now i know how to place the files but how do i compile this ...
[21:52] <maco> you dont compile python
[21:52] <maco> its interpretted
[21:52] <fdo> i have seen on kde3 ... they use make
[21:52] <maco> (ok so it has a JIT compiler, but since its JIT you can ignore it)
[21:53] <maco> makefiles can do ANYTHING
[21:53] <maco> they're /just/ scripts
[21:53] <fdo> yes i know but how does kde use it 
[21:53] <maco> in kde4 land, CMake is used instead of autotools
[21:54] <maco> and im really not sure what the point is in a python app. the only use ive had for distutils (python's setup.py stuff) is in cases where i had a .ui file to compile to a .py file for a gui, but you wont have that for a kio
[21:54] <fdo> maco: this is my first step -> http://www.arnorehn.de/blog/2010/07/and-the-bindings-keep-rocking-writing-ruby-kio-slaves/
[21:55]  * maco didn't think anyone really used ruby on the desktop
[21:55] <fdo> i reimplemented it in python but: exec=krubypluginfactory didnt work
[21:55] <maco> of course not, thats for ruby...
[21:55] <maco> alexandria (book organiser for gnome) is the only thing ive seen done in ruby, and it crashes *constantly*
[21:55] <fdo> sorry yes
[21:56] <fdo> is used exec=kpythonpluginfactory ;0)
[21:56] <fdo> /usr/lib/kde4/kpythonpluginfactory.so
[21:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: bingley bingley beep, check priv :)
[21:58] <Riddell> yo
[22:00] <fdo> Riddell: the kde bindings channel ist #pyqt?
[22:00] <fdo> Riddell: on freenode
[22:02] <fdo> Riddell: i found it myself
[22:02] <fdo> thanks