[00:03] <Daskreech> Hello I"m getting an Unknown keyword in configuration file at boot
[00:03] <Daskreech> Wrote last night's daily to a USB drive
[00:03] <penguin42> do you have the text around it and what else is on the screen at that point?
[00:03] <Daskreech> penguin42: me?
[00:03] <Daskreech> yes I do
[00:03] <penguin42> yes
[00:03] <Daskreech> boot: under the error obviously
[00:04] <penguin42> did it say what the keyword was that was unknown?
[00:04] <Daskreech> Nope it's a generic boot error
[00:05] <Daskreech> SYSLINUX 3.63 Debian-2008-07-15 Ebios Copyright etc
[00:05] <Daskreech> that's above the error
[00:06] <Daskreech> and I can't enter anything at the boot: prompt
[00:07] <Daskreech> I'm overwriting it with the latest stable and see what it does
[00:08] <penguin42> what did you create the boot drive with? Lucid?
[00:08] <Daskreech> yes
[00:08] <Daskreech> usb-creator on Lucid
[00:09] <penguin42> I saw a bug go past on here a couple of days ago about an incompatible version of syslinux on lucid
[00:09] <Daskreech> ah
[00:09] <Daskreech> so I need to get maverick to be able to test maverick?
[00:09] <penguin42> bug 608382 ?
[00:10] <Daskreech> Phooey :(
[00:11] <Daskreech> Hmm now i can't make a Lucid bootdisk anymore
[00:13] <Daskreech> Uncaught exception was raised Errno 5 Input/output error
[00:14] <penguin42> that sounds different
[00:15] <penguin42> something got fun or broke
[00:15] <penguin42> fun? Full!
[00:15] <Daskreech> Hmm apparently need root to write to the thumb drive
[00:15] <Daskreech> penguin42: I just formatted the drive
[00:56] <|rt|> does anyone know if the installer is going to support installing on multi-device btrfs pools?
[00:57] <|rt|> currently if i setup the btrfs pool with a livecd prior to running the installer I it won't accept the btrfs volume for installation
[01:02] <Volkodav> I do not think so
[01:02] <Volkodav> you can do that after install though
[01:03] <Volkodav> what's the reason you need it at install time ?
[01:03] <|rt|> ok I'll give that a try....I'm trying to play with ubuntu server using virtualization with 6 disks
[01:04] <|rt|> well given the pooled storage nature of btrfs I was hoping to just make / the btrfs pool and then make subvolumes for other mount points
[01:05] <|rt|> but maybe I'm just trying to drag my zfs baggage and push it onto btrfs :)
[01:06] <|rt|> the ultimate goal hear is to move my home server which has 6 SATA drives from OpenSolaris to Ubuntu Server leveraging btrfs
[01:06] <|rt|> I was planning on using the RAID10 volume type that btrfs supports
[01:14]  * Milos_SD-aWay is Away, Reason: ( Spavam ... ) | Since: ( Monday, August 16, 2010. 22:13:47 ) Xlack v2.1
[01:16] <yofel> !away | Milos_SD
[01:17] <penguin42> yofel: I don't know if there is a generic bug for this - but see bug 598780
[01:17] <penguin42> yofel: I've just added my understanding of what's happening; there are quite a few similar bugs I think
[01:20] <yofel> erm, are you sure you wanted to ping *me* ?
[01:21] <penguin42> yofel: Ish - I just wanted to make sure someone on here who was a regular knew for anyone else who hits it - and you were awake
[01:21] <yofel> heh
[01:25] <penguin42> IMHO 1) The idea of loading hacks like this is a disaster and 2) The code doesn't exactly seem to do a lot of checks
[01:31] <yofel> I'm not sure if removing a package should ever remove a file from /etc
[01:31] <yofel> probably needs a posrm script to get rid of that file
[01:31] <yofel> *postrm
[01:31] <penguin42> yofel: Indeed, however having the consequence of persistently giving errors isn't what you want either
[01:31] <yofel> right
[01:33] <yofel> shouldn't that bug be against 'appmenu-gtk' though?
[01:33] <penguin42> I think it's spitting one of these out on every menu item that's added
[01:33] <penguin42> yofel: The thing that loads it is an ubuntu specific patch in libgtk
[01:33] <yofel> ah
[01:34] <penguin42> I was wondering if I should add appmenu-gtk to it as well - but frankly it's the mechanism that's broken
[01:42] <penguin42> yofel: I've just added a comment clarifying that - does it make sense?
[01:43] <yofel> sounds good
[01:44]  * penguin42 goes to bed!
[01:58] <Poser> hello just wondering if gnome fixed it's intel graphics issues yet
[02:00] <IdleOne> Poser: what issue is that?
[02:01] <Poser> it crashes and only works with gnome2
[02:01] <Poser> gnome3 won't boot
[02:02] <IdleOne> hmm check launchpad.net for bugs I suppose
[02:02] <Poser> it's a gnome 3 issue with the gma intell graphic cards
[02:02] <Poser> i looked all over with google and didn't see any fixes yet
[02:04] <Poser> probably means no but was hoping someone knew for sure
[02:05] <IdleOne> I don't know to be honest
[02:51] <Volkodav> flashplayer is still down this evil ?
[03:09] <edgy> Hi, aplay file.wav no sound but mplayer works, any idea?
[04:19] <MTecknology> 2mo before release...
[04:19] <MTecknology> I think it's time to upgrade my one and only system
[04:23] <MTecknology> Is it stable yet?   (please don't yell - I find it funny)
[04:31] <kklimonda> MTecknology: pretty stable
[04:32] <MTecknology> kklimonda: rock solid?
[04:33] <kklimonda> MTecknology: well, no - it's ubuntu and not debian ;)
[04:33] <MTecknology> kklimonda: I remember the first year I jumped my only system to the devel release - kaboom
[04:34] <kklimonda> I use it as my primary os
[04:34] <MTecknology> I didn't understand that the constant suggestion of removing large sums of packages was a bad thing - I thought it was cleaning things up
[04:34] <kklimonda> hehe
[04:38] <MTecknology> kklimonda: Do you have another system to fall back on?
[04:38] <kklimonda> no
[04:38] <MTecknology> kklimonda: I have only one laptop
[04:38] <kklimonda> but then there isn't much I can't fix
[04:39] <MTecknology> Now for a lot of sdownloading
[04:40] <kklimonda> if you have nvidia you have to add IgnoreABI to get closed driver to work
[04:40] <MTecknology> intel
[04:40] <kklimonda> and there is no closed driver for ati right now afair
[04:40] <kklimonda> oh, so you should be more or less good to go
[04:41] <MTecknology> Hoping so, we'll find out whenever this thing downloads
[04:41] <MTecknology> kklimonda: oh! I also run a custom stripped down kernel
[04:41] <MTecknology> Yucky  [17%] 37.6kB/s 32min 14s s
[04:41] <MTecknology> I missed part of that -  17% [Working] 8h 39min 7s
[04:42] <kklimonda> MTecknology: I can't help you with that - I have an allergy for custom kernels outside of embedded and similar cases ;)
[04:43] <MTecknology> kklimonda: :P - I stipped mine down further than what Ubuntu likes and I'm using 2.6.36-rc1
[05:28] <Skydrome> ? release schedule
[05:28] <Skydrome> !release schedule
[05:28] <Skydrome> !schedule
[05:29] <Skydrome> woot, is it  a good time to grab a nightly build?
[05:29] <Skydrome> or dist upgrading?
[05:52] <Andre_Gondim> since last update all pages that has flash doesn't show nothing
[07:12] <Ian_corne> does nvidia work already now?
[07:12] <Ian_corne> or do i need special h4x to get it to work?
[07:18] <knittl> hi. nvidia-current is currently broken? no pun intended …
[07:20] <CryWolf> knittl: Broken how?
[07:20] <knittl> when booting it hangs after/in splash screen
[07:20] <knittl> no hdd activity nor anything else
[07:21] <knittl> jockey does not work, and installing manually yields this problem. xorg logs tell me it's abi incompatible with current xserver version
[07:21] <CryWolf> can you switch to a console?  (ctrl-alt-f1)
[07:23] <knittl> nope.
[07:23] <knittl> i'll try to ignore abi version for now, rebooting
[07:23] <knittl> because directly booting into console works and lspci tells me nvidia driver is in use
[07:24] <CryWolf> I don't have nvidia in my system.  I was thinking it might be something else, but I don't think that would give an ABI mismatch.
[07:25] <knittl> yay, it works again
[07:29] <billybigrigger> you should check the forums
[07:29] <billybigrigger> that nvidia breakage was expected and the workaround is posted
[07:29] <billybigrigger> fyi for next time :P
[07:30] <billybigrigger> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=385
[07:52] <midkniht> :)
[08:14] <Kangarooo> hello Bug 616725 can i somehow in 10.10 delete session?
[09:27] <knittl> morning. gnome-power-manager crashes and won't start again. is there already a bug filed?
[09:47] <Ian_corne> It's weird
[09:47] <Ian_corne> I'm using noveau
[09:47] <Ian_corne> but when i go to display properties
[09:48] <Ian_corne> it says I'm using the priopretary driver
[09:48] <Ian_corne> and should use the vendor-specific tool
[09:48] <Ian_corne> which launches and says i'm not using their driver
[09:48] <yofel> lsmod and check what module is loaded, they're exclusive
[09:49] <Ian_corne> i did
[09:49] <Ian_corne> it's nouveau
[09:49] <yofel> odd
[09:49] <Ian_corne> very
[09:50] <Ian_corne> I can't say I haven't had my share of weird problems with this card tho
[09:50] <Ian_corne> I think it's half broken :p
[10:10] <Ian_corne> http://vimeo.com/12772935
[11:28] <Kangarooo> hello Bug 616725 can i somehow in 10.10 delete session?
[11:33] <nigelb> arg, that's the one that ruined my evening yesterday.
[11:33] <nigelb> Kangarooo: did you try deleting .cache/sessions ?
[11:33] <nigelb> not the folder but the files inside it...
[11:34] <Kangarooo> tryng now nigelb brb reloging
[11:37] <Kangarooo> nigelb: wow yes that helped.. so now session configs are changed location. hope session gui manager will also be made
[11:37] <nigelb> Kangarooo: great to know it helped.
[12:16] <sebsebseb> Hi
[13:13] <gnomefreak> any progress on nvidia fix?
[13:44] <dutchie> i seem to be missing one or two nautilus icons
[13:45] <dutchie> http://media.joshh.co.uk/nautilus.png
[13:47] <Kangarooo> dutchie: if thats after update- restart. that may happen
[13:50] <dutchie> ah yes, thanks
[14:46] <MTecknology> Is it possible to upgrade without do-release-upgrade?
[14:49] <Pici> MTecknology: Use update-manager -d
[14:49] <MTecknology> Pici: Does that do the same thing?
[14:50] <Pici> MTecknology: Yes.
[14:50] <MTecknology> Pici: I was wondering if you can do something like sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list && aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
[14:50] <Pici> MTecknology: You shouldn't.
[14:51] <MTecknology> alrighty
[16:21] <MTecknology> woohoo - 10.10
[16:22] <MTecknology> so far I notice no change :P
[16:22] <MTecknology> I guess aptitude is a little less verbose
[16:25] <Andre_Gondim> is there any workaround to use flash player?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Andre_Gondim: what do you mean , work around to use or not use flashplayer ?
[16:29] <Andre_Gondim> well, since last update nothing with flash is playing to me
[16:30] <BluesKaj> Andre_Gondim:  sudo aptitude install flashplugin-installer
[16:30] <BluesKaj> brb
[16:59] <gnomefreak> has nvidia been fixed yet? i dont remember the bug # to follow it
[17:09] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: you still need IgnoreABI and the newest drivers to get it to work
[17:09] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: i tried that config and it failed still
[17:10] <gnomefreak> i was given the xorg.conf to use and it still didnt work
[17:10] <kklimonda> oh? you sure you did it right and that you have the newest driver? 256.44?
[17:10]  * kklimonda is using it right now
[17:11] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: bjsnider gave me the right conf file
[17:11] <gnomefreak> and yes it was with .44 version from the x-swat-updates repo
[17:14] <gnomefreak> i would have been happy with the nouveau drivers after i used that conf file but no matter what i did i couldnt get back to nouveau
[17:14] <kklimonda> installing nvidia drivers blacklists nouveau module
[17:15] <kklimonda> maybe that's the problem?
[17:15] <gnomefreak> i removed the xorg.conf to fix it like it does for another bug wut it still dropped me into TTY
[17:15] <gnomefreak> s/wut/but
[17:16] <kklimonda> check if you have /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf
[17:16] <gnomefreak> so i gave up and im on Lucid. my maverick box is still around but i am working on it
[17:16] <sinurge> gnomefreak: think you are usinga legacy video card which is not supported by 256 and 173 wont support the newest xserver
[17:16] <gnomefreak> sinurge: no its 6200
[17:17] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: i cant on my maverick box it is open in my garage atm
[17:17] <kklimonda> ah :)
[17:17] <sinurge> gnomefreak: fx6200 maybe not supported
[17:17] <sinurge> i have the same and it does not work, we have to wait for 173 to be upgraded to new xserver
[17:17] <gnomefreak> here it lists 4 blacklists
[17:19] <gnomefreak> sinurge: than the other 100 people having issues? there are a crap load of bugs on it. and i was not told in my bug that it doesnt support it. if you run show nvidia-current it should list all the supported cards and the 6200 is listed
[17:19] <gnomefreak> all 3 of the 6200 are supported
[17:20] <sinurge> gnomefreak: pls read this sticky : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549195
[17:20] <sinurge> if you read the nvidia downloads place for 256 it does not show up 6200
[17:21]  * gnomefreak tends to believe the discription of the drivers :)
[17:21] <sinurge> anyways alpha3 - there are always going to be some issues ..... more bugs found more safer the sw later
[17:22] <gnomefreak> neve had that problem it never asked and it never got held back
[17:23] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: but you get the ABI Mismatch error with 256.44 and IgnoreABI?
[17:23] <kklimonda> just checking, because it really should work ;)
[17:24] <gnomefreak> brb leaving comment on how to dfix thier issue (workaround anyway
[17:27] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: it should but it didnt, soi not sure why it wasnt althought that fix should have fixed it
[17:28] <gnomefreak> they heed to fix LP :(
[17:28] <gnomefreak> s/heed/need sorry my typing sucks today
[17:36] <gnomefreak> also i forgot to add the upstream drivers for my card didnt work either
[17:42] <Some_Person> How (un)stable is Maverick right now?
[17:43] <gnomefreak> Some_Person: if nvidia very
[17:43] <Pici> Some_Person: Some people who need proprietary video drivers are reporting issues, I myself haven't had any problems.
[17:43] <JFo> I'm using it on my desktop using nVidia and I have no issues
[17:44] <gnomefreak> other problems too but it all depends on what apps you have installed
[18:01] <Some_Person> Anything interesting in Maverick?
[18:03] <midkniht> man
[18:03] <midkniht> you havent heard about the auto hooker locater built into dbus and the new joint roller printer mod?
[18:04] <Some_Person> I've kind of been out of the know for a while
[18:23] <IdleOne> midkniht: nice attempt at humor, please try to remember the !guidelines and !codeofconduct apply here also
[18:37] <trigrou> for people interested by webgl, I did a small demo about particles http://plopbyte.net/2010/08/webgl-particles/
[18:37] <Milos_SD> Is there a public PPA for new ubuntu font?
[18:38] <Pici> Milos_SD: I don't believe that is has been made public yet.
[18:38] <Milos_SD> I read somewhere that it will be available on Aug 8th ...
[18:38] <Milos_SD> :O)
[18:38] <Milos_SD> :)
[18:43] <IdleOne> Milos_SD: it is available only by invite to certain teams
[18:44] <IdleOne> I assume they will be making it public soonish
[18:49] <lucidfox> Gaaaaaahhh
[18:49] <lucidfox> great
[18:49]  * lucidfox wanted to talk to Milos_SD
[18:50] <lucidfox> I hate it when people leave just as I'm about to ping them
[18:51] <yofel> send him a memo :P
[18:53] <lucidfox> meh
[18:54] <lucidfox> Oh, there he is.
[19:24] <Some_Person> Is maverick good enough yet to use as a production system or would I be better off testing with a separate install? I used lucid at a late alpha stage, should I expect about the same not-working-ness and instability as that?
[19:24] <penguin42> Some_Person: Yep - same not-working-ness and instability
[19:25] <Some_Person> But is it any worse/better than lucid was at this stage?
[19:26]  * penguin42 can't remember lucid at this point
[19:26] <gnomefreak> Some_Person: its worse and do not install it on production box yet
[19:27] <gnomefreak> wait until after beta release.
[19:27] <penguin42> gnomefreak: It does seem to have its collection of nasties at the moment doesn't it
[19:28] <gnomefreak> penguin42: it does and will. we are still migrating to x1.9 and that alone can and will cause nasty bugs
[19:28] <penguin42> gnomefreak: I don't actually think those are giving me problems!
[19:28] <penguin42> although hmm, maybe that's the reason for my problems with assaultcube
[19:29] <gnomefreak> atm nvidia is the worst imtell should be ok but ati im not sure about
[19:29] <Some_Person> gnomefreak: I'll test it with an SD install like I did with lucid at first then
[19:29] <penguin42> gnomefreak: nvidia always hits problems with the abi changes if you're using the closed source; intel is OK for me (although I don't push my Intel machine hard); Radeon has a few annoying bugs
[19:30] <gnomefreak> ati was very bad during lucid and now its nvidias turn
[19:30] <Some_Person> This machine is intel
[19:30] <gnomefreak> maverick is the first time in years i have had any issues with during devel cycles
[19:31] <gnomefreak> Some_Person: i still wouldnt do it
[19:31] <penguin42> Some_Person: Fun things keep breaking on and off; I wouldn't run maverick on something which would cause you a  problem if it exploded and ate your cat
[19:31] <gnomefreak> we used to have it in title but seems it was removed
[19:31] <penguin42> Some_Person: But hey that's what Alpha's are about
[19:31] <Some_Person> penguin42: I don't see how an OS would make a machine explode
[19:31] <gnomefreak> beta is a little better than alpha but by no means is it stable
[19:32] <Some_Person> gnomefreak: Why not? I'm planning to do a clean separate install on an SD card
[19:32] <penguin42> Some_Person: Well, it probably won't - but still you see what I mean, don't use Maverick unless you can recover from it breaking the install
[19:32] <gnomefreak> Some_Person: you can do as you wish but i am giving you the facts
[19:32] <Some_Person> How could an install to an SD card break my production system on my hard drive?
[19:32] <gnomefreak> Some_Person: never said it would
[19:33] <penguin42> Some_Person: It's unlikely but not unheard of
[19:33] <Andre_Gondim> is the codename of N serie out?
[19:34] <Pici> Nope.
[19:35]  * penguin42 plumps for Null Nematode
[19:35] <gnomefreak> IIRC it is ~2weeks or so before release that we get names posted to devel lists
[19:35] <Pici> gnomefreak: actually...
[19:36] <Pici> gnomefreak: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478
[19:36] <gnomefreak> it wasnt posted to the devel lists
[19:37] <Pici> gnomefreak: I'm pretty sure it was just posted. sabdfl just posted that url in -devel
[19:37] <gnomefreak> hell i remember when we got to vote on the name
[19:37]  * Pici doesn't know what natty means
[19:37] <gnomefreak> that would explain that
[19:38]  * gnomefreak not sure what either word means
[19:38] <gnomefreak> ah reading lower explains
[19:40] <Pici> Oddly, one of the dictionary sites lists dapper and jaunty as synonyms.
[19:40] <penguin42> as a penguin, I definitely wouldn't want to be followed by one of those - it looks sharp
[19:41] <gnomefreak> Pici: it is pretty much the same as dapper
[19:41] <gnomefreak> neatly or trimly smart in dress or appearance; spruce: a natty white uniform.
[19:51] <gnomefreak> ok finally caught up :)
[20:01] <dupondje> gnome-power-manager broken?
[20:02] <penguin42> dupondje: Not that I know; this machine hibernated and resumed OK - what you seeing?
[20:03] <dupondje> no icon and a crash msg  @ boot
[20:04] <penguin42> dupondje: Ah yes, the icon is broken for me
[20:04] <dupondje> jl@laptopjl:~$ gnome-power-manager
[20:04] <dupondje> Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'gnome-power-manager' received an X Window System error.
[20:04] <dupondje> :p
[20:56] <dupondje> lol
[20:56] <dupondje> Natty Narwhal
[20:56] <dupondje> :)
[20:57] <dupondje> Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal
[20:57] <martijn81> hi, i noticed that 10.04.1 would came out today. I wanted to help seed this iso for a while, but when will this iso be released? Thanks for your time...
[21:01] <SwedeMike> is the pressure for .1 download even 10% of the main release? I'd imagine people wouldn't wait to download a patch release like that?
[21:03] <penguin42> SwedeMike: I guess it depends if there are fixes that stop installation
[21:14] <Some_Person> "the natty release" doesn't sound very positive
[21:18] <jpds> Some_Person: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/wiki/natty
[21:18] <jpds> martijn81: When it's ready.
[21:18] <jpds> martijn81: And thanks for the offer to help. :)
[21:22] <martijn81> yw jpds ;)
[21:28] <Some_Person> jpds: Yes, but if you didn't know what it meant, what would you think?
[21:29] <jpds> Some_Person: Look up the work natty?
[21:29] <jpds> word*
[21:37] <Some_Person> How many *atty words are positive?
[21:42] <penguin42> most
[21:44] <Some_Person> Batty, catty, fatty, and tatty are certainly negative. A patty is a shaped food, which isn't exactly the best.
[21:44] <penguin42> oh, I see what you mean
[21:46] <BUGabundo> what?
[21:46] <BUGabundo> there's a name already?
[21:47] <penguin42> BUGabundo: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478
[21:48]  * vish renames BUGabundo to NATabundo 
[21:48] <vish> \o/
[21:48] <NATabunto> :D
[21:59] <Jordan_U> Natty seems too much like gnatty.
[22:02] <NATabunto> What the F.................
[22:02] <NATabunto> are this ppl doing with the icons?
[22:02] <NATabunto> nautilus disk mounter applet as a 1px icon in my panel
[22:04] <charlie-tca> heh, it helps keep down the usage???
[22:04] <ikonia> NATabunto: please don't use that sort of phrase
[22:05] <NATabunto> charlie-tca: if I didn't want it, I wouldn't install, it and then manually add it to one of my panels
[22:06] <NATabunto> now its close to useless
[22:06] <NATabunto> I was scratching my head looking for it
[22:06] <NATabunto> repluging my e-sata disk, turning it off and on
[22:06] <NATabunto> till I tried to readd the applet
[22:07] <penguin42> NATabunto: I have the gnome disk mounter applet OK on my panel
[22:07] <NATabunto> mine isint
[22:07] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:08] <BUGabundo> sorry vish. it was funny while it lasted
[22:08] <charlie-tca> And I keep thinking I am having vision issues...
[22:08] <vish> BUGabundo: np.. :)
[22:09] <BUGabundo> aaahaa
[22:20] <barry> hello folks.  i have a machine that i upgraded from lucid->maverick.  i thought the upgrade went pretty smoothly but several things are broken.  is this the right forum to ask for help in fixing them?  if there are bugs to be filed, i'm willing to do that.
[22:20] <penguin42> yep!
[22:20] <penguin42> what broke?
[22:20]  * barry wonders where to start :)
[22:21] <penguin42> pick one
[22:21] <Volkodav> xorg for starters
[22:21] <barry> Volkodav: yes, xorg is messed up
[22:21] <penguin42> barry: In which particular way and which graphics card do you have?
[22:21] <Volkodav> flash probably
[22:21] <barry> i have a working dual headed desktop, but no opengl/compiz/desktop effects
[22:22] <barry> i have a radeon hd 4670 card.  this worked under lucid, but appears broken under maverick
[22:22] <penguin42> barry: OK, do you run the fglrx or the open drivers?
[22:22] <barry> i cannot install fglrx and fglrx-amdcccle
[22:22] <ZykoticK9> First time every i was glad to see someone with ATI over nvidia ;)
[22:23] <barry> penguin42: neither at this moment, i think.  what's the open driver package?
[22:23] <penguin42> barry: xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[22:23] <barry> ZykoticK9: came with the dell workstation, but i really liked it (until it broke :)
[22:23] <barry> penguin42: checking...
[22:24] <barry> root@limelight[~:997]% aptitude search xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[22:24] <barry> i A xserver-xorg-video-radeon       - X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display d
[22:24] <barry>  
[22:25] <ZykoticK9> barry, I just say that as nvidia proprietary driver is currently (i still believe?) not working on Maverick
[22:25] <penguin42> barry: Did you previously have frglx installed?
[22:25] <barry> ZykoticK9: i know ;)
[22:25] <barry> penguin42: i didn't change this explicitly, so probably not
[22:26] <barry> penguin42: i guess that's why fglrx* doesn't install.
[22:26] <penguin42> barry: Two things; can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and 2) There is a bug that affects some radeon users somewhere between the kernel and grub; it'sfairly easy to try working around by editing a grub boot line - are you up for trying it?
[22:27] <barry> penguin42: i am.  i may have to powercycle my irc connection if reboots will be coming ;)
[22:27] <barry> penguin42: let me pastebin the file first...
[22:28] <barry> penguin42: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479603/
[22:29]  * penguin42 reads
[22:29] <Volkodav> what kinda Dell is it ?
[22:30] <penguin42> barry: OK, I'm kind of confused
[22:30] <penguin42> barry: That log file happily starts up the Radeon driver, but has an error '(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)'
[22:31] <barry> Volkodav: a dell studio xps 465 iirc
[22:31] <barry> penguin42: i wonder if the driver needs to be reinstalled
[22:31] <penguin42> barry: Have you ever had an nvidia card in that machine or have you ever for any odd reason ever installed the nvidia driver?
[22:32] <penguin42> Oh, and do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[22:32] <Volkodav> or maybe he has 2 cards in one box ?
[22:32] <barry> penguin42: the radeon is stock, never had nvidia, only ever the stock card
[22:32] <penguin42> Volkodav: Possible, but I'm not seeing anything else nvidia like in that output
[22:33] <Volkodav> dmesg
[22:33] <penguin42> barry: OK, any xorg.conf?
[22:33] <barry> penguin42: i don't *think* i've ever installed the nvidia driver, but i wouldn't say i didn't screw up at some point ;)
[22:33] <barry> penguin42: pastebin coming...
[22:34] <barry> penguin42: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479610/
[22:34] <penguin42> barry: Ooh OK
[22:34] <penguin42> barry: So, that was generated by the frglx proprietary drivers at some point
[22:35] <penguin42> barry: Can you just take a copy of that file and move it out of the way and see if it's acually any better - or you need to install the frglx drivers (but I've never done that on maverick)
[22:35] <barry> penguin42: it does look like nvidia-settings and a few of the nvidia-*-modalias packages are installed.  i suppose i should uninstall those ;)
[22:36] <barry> penguin42: if i move it out of the way, it'll get regenerated?
[22:36] <penguin42> barry: Yeh I have nvidia-*-modaliases, nvidia-current and nvidia-current-modaliases - but I don't think that's the actual driver - I don't have nvidia-settings
[22:36] <penguin42> barry: Hang on, can you pastebin a full list of dpkg -l \*nvidia\*
[22:36] <barry> yep, sec...
[22:37] <barry> penguin42: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479612/
[22:38] <penguin42> barry: Can you pipe that through cat so we can see the full titles
[22:38] <barry> penguin42: yep...
[22:39] <penguin42> barry: How was the previous ubuntu installed? Fresh install lucid? You installed it from scratch?
[22:39] <barry> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479613/
[22:39] <penguin42> barry: OK, remove nvidia-current and nvidia-settings
[22:39] <barry> penguin42: trying to remember ;)  i think it was an upgrade from karmic
[22:40] <barry> penguin42: +1. sec...
[22:40] <penguin42> I'm *hoping* that will put the glx stuff back as it should be but I'm not great on my nvidia stuff
[22:41] <barry> penguin42: apt-get is still giving me an error on fglrx --configure.  i think i should remove that package too
[22:42] <penguin42> barry: Possibly; I don't know what the current state of frglx is on maverick to be honest
[22:43] <penguin42> barry: However, frglx is still ahead fo teh free drivers so it might still be what you want to do
[22:43] <barry> penguin42: gotcha
[22:44] <barry> penguin42: dpkg -l is still showing ii for nvidia-current but apt-get remove says it's not installed
[22:44] <penguin42> barry: Just pipe the dpkg -l through cat - there is an nvidia-current-modaliases which is OK
[22:44] <Volkodav> -- purge
[22:45] <barry> penguin42: ah yes, that's it
[22:46] <barry> penguin42: ok, i've removed frglx* and reinstalled xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[22:46] <barry> i guess it's time to restart the x server... ? ;)
[22:46] <penguin42> barry: Well restart X, hold on tight and then repaste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log when it doesn't work!
[22:46] <yofel> penguin42: nvidia-current *is* the actual driver
[22:47] <yofel> nvidia-common is not
[22:47] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh that was my guess - the problem is in 80 column dpkg -l shows nvidia-current and nvidia-current-modaliases as being identical
[22:47] <barry> penguin42: okay, here goes!  if i lose the irc connection, i'll be back asap
[22:47] <yofel> and the modaliases are used to detect which card you have and recommend the right driver
[22:47] <barry> penguin42: and piping to cat doesn't help much in an emacs shell buffer ;)
[22:48] <penguin42> barry: Well as a vi user.....
[22:48]  * barry has many vi friends :)
[22:48] <yofel> vim ftw!
[22:48] <barry> i know.  only us graybeards still use emacs :)
[22:50]  * penguin42 has never seen a machine with nvidia drivers accidentally installed before
[22:53] <barry> it's actually a dell studio xps 435mt
[22:54] <penguin42> so, what state is it in?
[22:54] <barry> penguin42: it came back up, dual head and all.  i'm trying to enable desktop effects now
[22:55] <barry> well, that's very interesting
[22:55] <penguin42>  'interesting'
[22:56] <barry> yeah, so i go to appearance -> visual effects, and click on normal
[22:56] <barry> i see the flashing and then the window that asks if i want to keep the settings
[22:56] <barry> says if i don't respond in 36 seconds, it'll revert
[22:56] <barry> but i cannot click on any of the buttons
[22:56] <barry> the title bar does look transparent though
[22:57] <barry> i cannot seem to grab any windows
[22:57] <barry> that 36 seconds never counts down.  seems like the desktop is totally unresponsive
[22:58] <penguin42> Sounds like the X server has just keeled over and died
[22:58] <penguin42> does ctrl-alt-f1 work?
[22:58] <barry> penguin42: let's see if i can ssh into it
[22:58] <barry> System information disabled due to load higher than 1
[22:58] <barry> penguin42: yep
[22:58] <barry> ssh and vconsole work
[22:59] <penguin42> barry: Can you get the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[22:59] <barry> penguin42: should be able to... sec.
[23:00] <barry> penguin42: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479621/
[23:01] <penguin42> hmm interesting - it hasn't actually seg'd X
[23:02] <penguin42> barry: I'd try restarting and instead of compiz I'd start with some simple test - e.g. glxgears
[23:02] <barry> penguin42: the desktop is reacting to mouse clicks and drags, but veerrrrryyyyyy slooowwwwwlllyyyy
[23:02] <barry> penguin42: +1
[23:02] <penguin42> barry: However, now we've got rid of the nvidia infection you might want to five fglrx another go
[23:02]  * penguin42 disappears for 10mins
[23:03] <barry> penguin42: good point too
[23:03] <barry> penguin42: thanks, will try those things and report when you're back
[23:11] <barry> penguin42: here's some interesting output installing fglrx pointed me at: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479627/
[23:17]  * penguin42 returns
[23:17] <penguin42> ok, so it was 15
[23:18] <penguin42> barry: And how were you installing fglrx ?
[23:18] <barry> penguin42: apt-get install fglrx
[23:19] <barry> it does look like something's broken trying to build the kernel modules
[23:20] <barry> reinstalling linux-generic and linux-headers-generic doesn't help
[23:21] <penguin42> barry: Hmm it looks like fglrx hasn't been updated for the new version (blame ATI!)
[23:22] <penguin42> barry: utsrelease.h has moved
[23:22] <barry> penguin42: yay! ;/
[23:22] <penguin42> barry: It's now /lib/modules/26.35-15-generic/build/include/generated/utsrelease.h
[23:23] <penguin42> however, somehow I doubt that will be the only fix
[23:23] <barry> penguin42: i do remember there's an xorg bleeding edge ppa around.  i wonder if there's something more current in that
[23:23] <penguin42> barry: It'll have more upto date versions of the open driver, but I doubt of fglrx
[23:24] <barry> penguin42: gotcha.  maybe that'll solve the high load, unresponsiveness of the open driver
[23:24] <penguin42> barry: However, I think maybe: http://ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/ubuntu-x-swat  does look like it has a new fglrx to try ?
[23:25] <barry> penguin42: what the heck. it's worth a shot
[23:32]  * penguin42 is wondering if he has a hardware fault on his mouse middle button or if it's just a bug....
[23:33] <barry> penguin42: well, fglrx installed w/o error from that ppa, but x server did not start on reboot
[23:33] <barry> penguin42: checking xorg log
[23:34] <penguin42> barry: It's possible that lot is intended for isntallation with the whole xorg-edgers set
[23:34] <barry> penguin42: yep, x server seg fault
[23:36]  * barry gives the xorg-edgers ppa a try
[23:36] <penguin42> yeh worth a go
[23:53] <barry> penguin42: well, x is happy again, but glxgears just complains that "GLX" extension is missing.  i think i'm at about the best state i can be with this.  i appreciate your help!  i may ping #ubuntu-x tomorrow
[23:54] <penguin42> bah! We had glx working!
[23:54] <penguin42> well, acknowledging
[23:54] <penguin42> yeh #ubuntu-x would be good
[23:54] <barry> penguin42: yeah
[23:54] <penguin42> barry: So you know, I run an HD4350 single headeed with the open drivers
[23:54] <barry> penguin42: thanks.  are you tired of me, or would you like to help me take a look at a couple of other (hopefully much simpler) issues?
[23:54] <penguin42> barry: I don't run compiz, but Google earth is my main GL user
[23:55] <penguin42> yeh I'm happy to help with any of them if I'm around
[23:55] <penguin42> heck, and it's not exactly busy in here
[23:55] <barry> penguin42: gotcha.  i really do appreciate the help!
[23:55] <barry> :)
[23:55] <penguin42> np
[23:56] <barry> penguin42: so one other little weird thing.  on my lucid gnome panel, i've got the little monochrome power button, and my name with a talk-balloon surrounding an X.  know what i mean?
[23:56] <penguin42> yeh
[23:57] <barry> these two little applets are missing on my maverick panel.  none of the add-to-panel applets seem right.  do you know what package or applet provides these?
[23:57] <penguin42> it's one of the indicator-something packages
[23:57] <penguin42> indicator-applet-session probably
[23:58] <barry> penguin42: cool thanks.  let me give those a shot