[08:41] <abhijit> hi
[09:04] <kermiac> hi seb128, I know you're extremely busy atm but did you get a chance to test the gedit hook mate? bug 582253
[09:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582253 in gedit (Ubuntu) "Apport hook for gedit (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582253
[10:06] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[10:07] <stanley_robertso> Guys.. I remember.. there is a weblink to request for a mentor for ubuntu bugsquad.. but i lost the link.. can somebody let me know the link
[10:22] <yofel> stanley_robertso: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[10:26] <nigelb> yofel: shortcut, poke vish :p
[10:27]  * vish pokes nigelb ;p
[10:27] <nigelb> hahaha
[10:41] <stanley_robertso> Thanks yofel .. i have placed my request now
[10:41] <stanley_robertso> Not sure.. who will be looking into it
[10:53] <JFo> that reminds me
[10:53] <JFo> I haven't sent an update to the list about my excellent mentee
[10:53] <JFo> :)
[11:07] <vish> stanley_robertso: did you read the wiki yofel gave you? ;)
[11:07] <stanley_robertso> yes vish
[11:07] <stanley_robertso> i went through it.. and then applied for membershiop .. anything that i missed ?
[11:08] <vish> stanley_robertso: the "How to request a mentor" section?
[11:08] <stanley_robertso> yes
[11:08] <stanley_robertso> I followed the same.
[11:08] <vish> stanley_robertso: read again :)
[11:12] <nigelb> vish: re: that trackpad bug
[11:12] <nigelb> the person complaining has probably never used a notebook and used a place where copy & paste isn't allowed.
[11:12] <vish> nigelb: trackpad! me?
[11:12] <nigelb> (or ctrl +V is disabled by default)
[11:12] <vish> nigelb: oh that..
[11:13]  * nigelb used putty for sometime
[11:13] <vish> nigelb: if you see the comments, i'm totally confused by the bug... i just reverted the status..
[11:28] <nigelb> vish: ah, ok
[14:20] <nigelb> pedro_: you around?
[14:20] <nigelb> fluxbox has like 14 bugs and the maintainer wants to work with us on clearing them
[14:20] <nigelb> (the debian maintainer)
[14:20] <pedro_> nigelb, yes
[14:21] <paultag> heyya nightwish
[14:21] <paultag> Oh shucks nigelb *
[14:21] <nigelb> pedro_: meet paultag.  He's the debian maintainer of fluxbox.
[14:21] <pedro_> nigelb, 9 New, 3 Confirmed, 1 Incomplete and 1 Fix Committed
[14:21] <pedro_> hello paultag!
[14:21] <paultag> heyya pedro_ :)
[14:22] <nigelb> is it big enough for a hug day or we just get down and dirty?
[14:23] <nigelb> paultag: Option A, you can look at the bugs and suggest what we need to do.
[14:23] <nigelb> Option B, you can talk to jcastro and get bug control access.
[14:23] <pedro_> nigelb, isn't having a lot of bugs for a bug day, I'd go ahead and triage those with some bugsquad help ;-)
[14:24] <nigelb> pedro_: seems reasonable to me.  I'll sit down tonight with paultag on those.
[14:24] <paultag> thanks pedro_, nigelb :)
[14:24] <nigelb> Just 14 bugs, should take only an hour or so to figure out
[14:24] <pedro_> paultag, if you have some instructions for debugging that'd be great as well so our community members can help you to triage the bugs there too
[14:24] <pedro_> and we can also put the product in the adopt a package list
[14:24] <paultag> pedro_: sure. I can note the status they should be on the bugs, and then have someone blast through. I don't mind spending time on it
[14:24] <nigelb> paultag: You mail the bug squad list asking for help btw.
[14:24] <paultag> nigelb: :)
[14:25] <jcastro> who needs bugcontrol?
[14:25] <nigelb> (and offering help with the debuging)
[14:25] <jcastro> I just happen to be in there
[14:25]  * nigelb hugs jcastro 
[14:25] <paultag> Oh heyya jcastro
[14:25] <nigelb> paultag: Its your lucky day!
[14:25] <paultag> nigelb: any day with jcastro is never my lucky day
[14:25]  * paultag hugs jcastro 
[14:25] <pedro_> hahaha
[14:25] <paultag> jcastro: thanks :)
[14:25] <nigelb> jcastro: paultag is the upstream maintainer for fluxbox and he wants bug control.
[14:26] <nigelb> There are some 14 bugs or so and he's recently pushed a new release of fluxbox :)
[14:26] <jcastro> done!
[14:26] <paultag> thanks jcastro :)
[14:27]  * nigelb hugs jcastro again
[14:27] <nigelb> jcastro: back from vacation?
[14:27] <jcastro> yeah
[14:27] <nigelb> \o/
[14:54] <devildante> everyone: shouldn't the [MIR] Banshee bug not be on the list of the bug day?
[14:55] <yofel> devildante: no it shouldn't, can you remove it from the list please?
[14:56] <devildante> yofel: okay :)
[14:57] <devildante> yofel: done :)
[14:58] <yofel> thanks
[14:58] <devildante> yofel: np
[15:05] <devildante> everyone: is banshee-dbg enough to have a good backtrace?
[15:05] <yofel> well, you'll need the debug packages of the used libraries too
[15:07] <devildante> yofel: thanks :)
[15:07] <abhijit> hello
[15:07] <abhijit> kermiac, ping
[15:07] <devildante> hi abhijit :)
[15:07] <abhijit> devildante, hello I have one doubt
[15:07] <devildante> abhijit: what is it?
[15:08] <abhijit> devildante, i need to submit one bug about suound. bug is whenever i am in fullscreen game - any game - e.g. beneath stell sky, mary any then at that time fn + and fn - and fn <mute> these three functions key dont work.
[15:09] <abhijit> devildante, so question is which is the package to submit bug against?
[15:09] <abhijit> maryo, freecol, wideland any application or game which go to fullscreen
[15:10] <abhijit> devildante, ??
[15:10] <devildante> abhijit: I *think* this is a known bug, lemme search
[15:11] <abhijit> devildante, ok
[15:16] <pedro_> guys if you have an identi.ca account or twitter, help out to spread the word about next bug day ;-)
[15:16] <paultag> pedro_: when is it?
[15:16] <pedro_> Thursday 19th August
[15:16] <paultag> ( and do you have a link to the announcement )
[15:16] <paultag> thanks pedro_ :0
[15:16] <paultag> :) *
[15:17] <pedro_> I've sent some announcement, wait a sec
[15:17] <yofel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100819
[15:18] <paultag> thanks yofel :)
[15:18] <pedro_> if you can digg it too http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/100
[15:19] <devildante> abhijit: didn't find it, I think you could file a bug against xserver-xorg (not sure)
[15:19] <devildante> thanks pedro_ :)
[15:19] <abhijit> devildante, not sure! :-(
[15:20] <yofel> abhijit: maybe ping crimsun_ - he should know more
[15:20] <abhijit> crimsun_, ping
[15:20] <abhijit> yoasif, ok
[15:20] <abhijit> pedro_, you know?
[15:20] <yofel> might be something in SDL, at least I think I reproduced that once
[15:20] <devildante> yofel: yeah, I suspected that as well
[15:20] <abhijit> hmm
[15:21] <devildante> yofel: I'd say also SDL, since apps that go full-screen like firefox and chromium aren't affected
[15:22] <abhijit> devildante, yoasif hey i am talking about full screen fire fox etc
[15:22] <nigelb> yofel: dan has sorta decreased his ubuntu sound involvement (just FYI)
[15:22] <abhijit> you guys got the difference between any other aps fullscreen and a game's fullscreen?
[15:23] <nigelb> yofel: though he does sponsor from time to time
[15:23] <yofel> nigelb: I know, but he still knows a hundred times more about audio than I do...
[15:23] <abhijit> devildante, yoasif when we go to game fullscrenn we only have control over to game only not the windows behind it
[15:23] <devildante> abhijit, nigelb, yofel: *all* functions keys doesn't work when fullscreen, btw
[15:23] <nigelb> yofel: hehe, agreed.  There is #ubuntu-audio-help too.  Not sure how many people are in there.
[15:23] <abhijit> devildante, no
[15:23] <abhijit> devildante, brightness function key work for me
[15:25] <devildante> abhijit: yes, but without the bubble, so I think it should be that the game/SDL captures those hotkeys
[15:25] <yofel> I can't mute/unmute in warzone fullscreen, but brightness change works fine
[15:25] <abhijit> devildante, bubble? you mean notification? then yes brightness key work but withouht notification
[15:25] <devildante> the thing is, on my ncomputer, if
[15:25] <devildante> whoops
[15:26] <devildante> the thing is, on my computer, only brightness works when fullscreen, not the other function keys
[15:26] <abhijit> devildante, yoasif tell me on thing. suppose now i just submit a bug for sdl so later someone find that its not sdl bug then we will change package. is that ok?
[15:26] <nigelb> yes, it is.
[15:26] <nigelb> We do that all the time.
[15:26] <devildante> abhijit: yeah :)
[15:26] <abhijit> nigelb, devildante ok now i submit
[15:26] <yofel> abhijit: btw, I'm yofel, not yoasif..
[15:26] <devildante> yoasif :p
[15:27] <abhijit> yofel, :D
[15:27] <abhijit> hey
[15:27] <abhijit> package sdl dont exist on my ubuntu? :-o
[15:27] <abhijit> :(
[15:27] <abhijit> devildante, yofel nigelb ???
[15:28] <yofel> there is libsdl1.2debian/-pulseaudio/-oss/-alsa/... choose one
[15:28] <devildante> abhijit: libsdl1.2 is the source package
[15:28] <nigelb> you can only file on a binary package
[15:28] <abhijit> i see
[15:30] <abhijit> yah i first written ubuntu-bug sdl. now i written libsdl1.2debian-alsa and now it worked. now submitting it
[15:30] <nigelb> great :)
[15:30] <abhijit> :)
[15:33] <abhijit> yofel, devildante nigelb can you just mark my bug as afffect to you?
[15:33] <devildante> abhijit: which bug?
[15:33] <abhijit> devildante, this sound one
[15:33] <devildante> which bug number?
[15:33] <abhijit> devildante, yofel nigelb https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/619256
[15:34] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 619256 in libsdl1.2 (Ubuntu) "Function keys wont work in fullscreen game (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:34] <devildante> ubot2 is slooow
[15:34] <ubot2> Factoid 'is slooow' not found
[15:34] <abhijit> yah
[15:34] <abhijit> but it is intelligent!
[15:34] <devildante> ubot2 intelligence
[15:34] <ubot2> Factoid 'intelligence' not found
[15:34] <abhijit> :)
[15:35] <abhijit> devildante, yofel nigelb can someone please mar this as confirmed?
[15:35] <devildante> abhijit: okay
[15:35] <abhijit> devildante, thanks
[15:35] <devildante> done :)
[15:36] <devildante> abhijit: can you search for it upstream and file a bug if there isn't already one there?
[15:37] <abhijit> devildante, upstream where?]
[15:38] <devildante> abhijit: libsdl upstream: http://bugzilla.libsdl.org/
[15:40] <abhijit> devildante, but wer not clear yet about if it is sdl bug or not?
[15:40] <abhijit> we*
[15:40] <devildante> abhijit: I think the sdl guys could determine this
[15:41] <abhijit> devildante, ok
[15:41] <devildante> but search for the bug first
[15:41] <abhijit> yah
[15:41] <abhijit> yofel, nigelb can you please that bug as affect to you?
[15:45] <abhijit> devildante, does this bug addresses my fullscreen issue?
[15:45] <abhijit> devildante, http://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670
[15:46] <ubot2> bugzilla.libsdl.org bug 670 in events "Multimedia keys and dead keys no longer working" [Normal,Waiting]
[15:48] <devildante> abhijit: yes, now link it to the launchpad bug (do you know how to do that?)
[15:49] <abhijit> devildante, no i dont know how to do that?
[15:50] <devildante> abhijit: click on "also affects project"
[15:50] <abhijit> devildante, ok
[15:50] <abhijit> devildante, yes clicked new page opened
[15:51] <abhijit> devildante, now added that bug link right?
[15:51] <devildante> yes :)
[15:52] <abhijit> devildante, now tell me. in this way only launchpad people will know that this bug is there in upstream. but how sdl people will know that a bug is reported downstream in launchpad?
[15:53] <abhijit> ??
[15:53] <devildante> good question
[15:53] <abhijit> :)
[15:53] <devildante> abhijit: you have to register to the bugzilla first
[15:54] <abhijit> devildante, i am registered in bugzilla too!!! :D
[15:54] <devildante> abhijit: which one? (they are several bugzillas, and they don't share the same users)
[15:54] <abhijit> this info is new to me
[15:54] <abhijit> wait
[15:57] <abhijit> devildante, i dont remember exactly now but abiword,openoffice
[15:58] <devildante> abhijit: so, you need to register to the libsdl bugzilla
[15:58] <abhijit> devildante, ohhh
[16:03] <abhijit> devildante, done.
[16:03] <abhijit> now i am logged in.
[16:04] <devildante> abhijit: in the bug page, you should see a "URL:" text entry. Put the launchpad bug link there
[16:04] <abhijit> devildante, ok
[16:07] <abhijit> devildante, i just done. you just crosscheck if i done correctly http://bugzilla.libsdl.org/process_bug.cgi
[16:07] <devildante> you mean http://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670 :p
[16:07] <ubot2> bugzilla.libsdl.org bug 670 in events "Multimedia keys and dead keys no longer working" [Normal,Waiting]
[16:07] <devildante> yes, good job
[16:08] <devildante> now, we just have to wait for the devs to fix this :p
[16:08] <abhijit> i am totaly confused
[16:08] <abhijit> devildante, i cant see the link which i submitted. where it gone?
[16:08] <abhijit> devildante, oh sorry i can see it now :D
[16:08] <abhijit> devildante, yah the main step - to wait!!! :D
[16:09] <devildante> yofel: could you triage abhijit's bug?
[16:09] <devildante> yofel: priority medium
[16:09]  * abhijit will be glad!!!
[16:10] <devildante> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/619256
[16:10] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 619256 in libsdl1.2 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Function keys wont work in fullscreen game (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:12] <abhijit> yofel, ping
[16:14] <abhijit> :(
[16:23] <njin> pedro_: hello
[16:28] <abhijit> vish, ping
[16:30] <abhijit> :/
[16:34] <abhijit> :(
[16:38] <abhijit> charlie-tca, ping
[16:39] <charlie-tca> pont
[16:39] <charlie-tca> pong
[16:39] <abhijit> :)
[16:39] <abhijit> charlie-tca, can you traiage my bug report?
[16:39] <abhijit> charlie-tca, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/619256
[16:39] <charlie-tca> number?
[16:39] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 619256 in libsdl1.2 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Function keys wont work in fullscreen game (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:40] <abhijit> charlie-tca, as deviladante suggested importance to medium?
[16:40] <sinurge> how do u take care of a bug report that might be kinda a wishlist - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/612988
[16:40] <charlie-tca> done
[16:40] <abhijit> charlie-tca, thanks!
[16:40] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 612988 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "[nautilus] shows ubuntu-one ribbon in each folder (affects: 7) (dups: 2) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,New]
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Nice job
[16:41] <charlie-tca> sinurge: we don't
[16:42] <sinurge> k, thanks
[16:42] <charlie-tca> It is marked as an opinion already in the main package, and the developers will decide for maverick
[16:42] <abhijit> yofel, ???
[16:43] <abhijit> anyone can just mar that report as affect to you?
[16:43] <abhijit> please?
[16:43] <abhijit> mark*
[16:43] <paultag> abhijit: why would someone do that if it does not affect them?
[16:44] <abhijit> paultag, i am requesting anyone to reproduce the condition and mark it. i am not saying to mark directly
[16:46] <abhijit> hello
[16:47] <abhijit> should i ask this person to do ubuntu-bug lernid so that we will have more info?
[16:47] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lernid/+bug/610447
[16:47] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 610447 in lernid "Lernid crash in Session (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[16:51] <sinurge> i think you can write that, and in addition mark the bug as incomplete.
[16:51] <abhijit> sinurge, ok
[16:52] <vish> abhijit: pong
[16:52] <abhijit> vish, should i ask this person to do ubuntu-bug lernid so that we will have more info?
[16:52] <abhijit> virtuald, https://bugs.launchpad.net/lernid/+bug/610447
[16:52] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 610447 in lernid "Lernid crash in Session (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[16:52] <abhijit> oh sorry
[16:52] <abhijit> vish, ^^
[16:53] <sinurge> abhijit:installing lernid, let me see if ic an reproduce the same bug
[16:53] <abhijit> sinurge, yah sure
[16:53] <vish> abhijit: thats an upstream bug , we cant set status for it
[16:53] <abhijit> vish, no no not status
[16:53] <abhijit> vish, i feel that bug is incomplete. shoulk i ask that person to do ubuntu-bug lernid? so that we will have more info?
[16:54] <vish> abhijit: i dont know about lernid ;)
[16:54] <abhijit> vish, ohhh okk np :)
[16:55] <abhijit> sinurge, that bug is not reproducable for me
[16:55] <sinurge> same here
[16:56] <abhijit> sinurge, yah
[17:06] <njin> hello to all, just a curiosity, what mean this ( tags:  	 added: kj-triage )
[17:07] <stanley_robertso> hi
[17:07] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[17:07] <abhijit> stanley_robertso, :)
[17:07] <stanley_robertso> hi abhijit
[17:09] <ashams> hello all
[17:09] <stanley_robertso> hi ashams
[17:10] <sinurge> evening/afternoon everyone
[17:11] <bdmurray> njin: the bug was programmatically triaged by the kernel janitor
[17:12] <sinurge> abhijit: u did not mark that bug?
[17:12] <abhijit> sinurge, i was waiting for you!!!
[17:12] <abhijit> :-o
[17:13] <abhijit> i mean i was waiting for you to mark it sinurge
[17:20] <njin> bdmurray: thanks
[17:31] <yofel> abhijit: sorry, went swimming, and I marked that bug as affecting me right after you filed it
[17:32] <abhijit> yofel, thanks :)
[18:02] <MiketheMagiCat> Hi. Can someone help me? I had Ubuntu installed on my computer. I also have Windows Vista (which I hate). But today it would not let me go online. It said there was a broken link. I could not find it. I uninstalled it. I installed Download Ubuntu Desktop Edition 32 bit. And then it told me when it finished downloading to choose a program to open it up. I chose Internet Explorer. Now I can't find the
[18:02] <MiketheMagiCat> 	MiketheMagiCat	program anywhere on the computer, or in my files. I also tried loading it on to my usb flash drive, and it didn't work. Is there a phone number to call for support for Linux products. I am a beginner and an idiot.
[18:09] <MiketheMagiCat> If someone could email me about this I would apprciate it.  bloderme@yahoo.com
[18:49]  * nigelb pokes pedro_ 
[18:49] <nigelb> pedro_: were you able to get around to be blog post?
[19:10] <pedro_> nigelb, having in a draft , one sec
[19:15] <penguin42> pedro_: If you get a chance can you look at bug 598780 - I've written a fairly long analysis of what I think is happening there
[19:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 598780 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) "Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to load type module: (null) (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/598780
[19:17] <pedro_> penguin42, i'll look at it in a bit, thanks for filing the report btw
[19:17] <penguin42> np
[19:21] <simar> ashams: hi
[19:21] <simar> ashams: finally
[19:21] <simar> :))
[19:35] <nigelb> yay! http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/101
[19:36] <kiwinote> hi! I have been pointed to bug 618855 by the reporter (it was their first time filing a bug), but I don't have permission to view it. Does anyone know what sort of a bug this is (ie it must be something more than just a private bug)?
[19:36] <ubot2> kiwinote: Bug 618855 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/618855 is private
[19:36] <nigelb> devildante, vish, yofel, and others: http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/101
[19:36] <micahg> kiwinote: probably needs retracing
[19:36] <nigelb> kiwinote: looks like I can't see it either.
[19:37] <nigelb> Maybe its not in the ubuntu project?
[19:37] <abhijit> bye
[19:37] <micahg> that could be too
[19:38] <vish> kiwinote: easiest would be to ask them to subscribe you to the bug
[19:38] <nigelb> Yep.
[19:38] <kiwinote> ok, thanks everyone, that subscribing does sound the easiest
[19:42] <penguin42> nigelb: Thats good - Ubuntu often picks up stick for not contributing
[19:42] <nigelb> penguin42: Yep, that's what we're trying to reduce.
[19:43] <penguin42> nigelb: Although similarly I don't know when it becomes visible that it was an ubuntu fix; i.e. if we fix something, that gets pushed up to debian and that gets pushed to the original project I wonder what the chances are that it will keep its attributions
[19:44] <nigelb> penguin42: That shouldn't be our concern.
[19:44] <micahg> penguin42: most people will keep the original attributions when pushing up a patch
[19:44] <penguin42> nigelb: What happened to the Review queue in June ?
[19:44] <vish> nigelb: thats 30 done on that day, or the week?
[19:44] <nigelb> Our concern should be that we aren't holding a patch that was in our bug tracker that fixes a *big* issue.
[19:45] <nigelb> penguin42: from since we started, its gone down from 1903 to 1481.
[19:45] <nigelb> Slow but steady
[19:45] <nigelb> vish: week.
[19:45] <vish> nigelb: hmm, wasnt the target 20 per day? or something higher?
[19:45] <penguin42> nigelb: Oh it's just the graph shows it as a big upwards movement in June
[19:45] <nigelb> Note that we get patches every day, so progress that can be tracked is very slow.
[19:45] <nigelb> vish: it was 20.  We need more help :(
[19:45] <vish> nigelb: stop talking now! review a bug! :D
[19:45] <penguin42> nigelb: We have to be a little careful with bugs with patches; it's like I posted a workaround patch to a bug but put big hairy screeamy warnings on it saying it was voodoo code and someone who actually understood it should look at it; it's still marked as a bug with a patch
[19:46]  * vish jumps on lp too! ;)
[19:46] <nigelb> vish: good idea.
[19:46] <nigelb> penguin42: We let the upstream decide.
[19:47] <penguin42> nigelb: Well it depends as the one who wrote the patch I wouldn't want it upstreamed
[19:47] <penguin42> It's commented that way to stop anyone thinking it's supposed to be
[19:47] <nigelb> penguin42: Well, I see it this way.
[19:48] <yofel> penguin42: that is unreasonable, we should keep our differences from upstream as small as possible
[19:48] <nigelb> I try the patch to see if its working first.
[19:48] <nigelb> If it isn't, we tag it patch-needswork.
[19:48] <penguin42> yofel: My point is it works, and I wouldn't even push it into the release never mind upstream; because I know it needs someone to look at it properly - it might break other cases worse and I know it's not good
[19:49] <vish> penguin42: the easiest you can do is just forward patches upstream .. to where they belong
[19:49] <penguin42> vish: that would be wrong if the original author had said it wasn't ready for release
[19:49] <yofel> penguin42: well, we want upstream to review the patch because they know the code best?
[19:49] <penguin42> yofel: No, I know it needs a proper fix from upstream, my code was just a hack which seems to work - I *know* it needs a proper fix
[19:50] <vish> penguin42: do note , once reviewed , it needs to be uploaded as well , so the sponsor must be really dumb to upload a  "voodoo code"
[19:50] <yofel> so, upstream might still want to apply it while they work on another fix
[19:51] <vish> penguin42: which we are spared since the sponsors are chosen carefully ;)
[19:51] <penguin42> yofel: Oh yeh I'm sure no one would look at my patch and push it upstream since it's got big scray comments in saying it's voodoo code - but I'm just saying just to take care that the people writing a patch might know it's not the right thing to release it; in that case it would be right to forward the bug upstream with a note saying there was a work around
[19:52] <simar> ashams: there??
[19:53] <vish> penguin42: imo, if the patch can just be forward , let the upstream decide if they really do want that voodo
[19:53] <vish> s/if//
[19:54] <penguin42> vish: My point was to violently disagree with that!  If the original author of something thinks it's horrible and shouldn't be put into a release I think their view should be respected
[19:55] <vish> penguin42: then why are they submitting the patch?  [i'm now confused with the question]
[19:55] <penguin42> (Interestingly in the case of the bug in question - bug 605686 - someone else who obviously understands stuff a bit more included a patch after mine - but put it inline instead of as a patch - and it all seems to have gone quiet
[19:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605686 in linux (Ubuntu) "nointremap needed - Blocked an interrupt request due to source-id verificiation failure (affects: 1) (heat: 133)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605686
[19:55] <micahg> penguin42: well, sometimes a patch is only needed by us and not usable upstream and they'll reject it, or the level of hack is acceptable for us due to a problem it solves
[19:55] <penguin42> vish: Well I submitted it because it was a work around that worked for me and might be useful to others
[19:55] <penguin42> micahg: Yeh indeed; my objection was purely to the thought that a patch should be upstreamed even if the original author didn't think it was right
[19:56] <vish> penguin42: so why cant this workaround be done upstream? even if it is a stop gap?
[19:56] <vish> penguin42: upstream might like it.. :)
[19:56] <ashams> simar: hi, are you still there
[19:56] <simar> ashams: ya :))
[19:56] <micahg> penguin42: also, upstream might suggest how to make it better and you can create a better patch
[19:56] <penguin42> vish: It was one of those things that was patching something hideously complex (interrupt mapping) that frankly I haven't got a clue about but managed to hack around
[19:56] <ashams> simar: how is your day?
[19:56] <simar> ashams: at last, actually i have some temporary internet probems
[19:57] <simar> ashams: just fine ..
[19:57] <ashams> simar: it's fine
[19:57] <penguin42> vish: Sticking a thumb in a leaking ditch might stop a flood, you wouldn't want it included in the design
[19:57] <simar> ashams: :))
[19:57] <simar> ashams: did you read the new documents that I sent you through mail
[19:57] <vish> penguin42: imo, it might not be perfect now, but it can be perfected by upstream.. it might be a new idea. [i havent seen your patch though]
[19:58] <penguin42> vish: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/51999685/intremap-hack.patch
[19:58] <ashams> simar: I was sick in the last days, I didn't finish them yet! :((
[19:59] <simar> ashams: Do you think that you are in a position to start triaging the touchpad bugs or should we wait??
[19:59] <simar> ashams: In the other case I hope you can clarify some doubts
[19:59] <vish> penguin42: maybe we should send it to Linus? ;)
[20:00]  * penguin42 flippers vish
[20:01] <micahg> vish: IMHO, the kernel team should be the only ones upstreaming kernel patches
[20:01] <ashams> simar: actually, I was thinking if You can assign me some bugs so you may check If I'm ready or not?
[20:01] <vish> micahg: yeah , i dint offer to send it :)
[20:01] <vish> lol! "DANGER! Voodoo coding"
[20:02] <penguin42> vish: See, I was subtle!
[20:02] <ashams> simar:  that I'm not sure If I'm really ready to start...
[20:03] <vish> micahg: upstream folks dont even like "regular" users sending bugs , let alone patches ;)
[20:03] <vish> upstream kernel*
[20:03] <micahg> vish: I know, that's why I said it ;)
[20:03] <penguin42> vish: They can be OK if you send a good patch and send it to the right people
[20:05] <vish> penguin42: if we send a patch they *hate* , they will ensure to trash the submitter :D
[20:05] <penguin42> oh yes
[20:05] <simar> ashams: you should not be afraid to do
[20:05] <simar> ashams: let me introduce you some bugs and lets triage them together.. :))
[20:06] <vish> Fear is what you have to fear itself!
[20:06] <simar> ashams: just a sec
[20:06] <simar> vish: Right :))
[20:07] <simar> vish: I'm happy to have another student .. cheers for that :-))
[20:07] <ashams> simar: just a sec!
[20:07] <simar> vish: Happy to introduce many people to ubuntu :)
[20:07] <vish> simar: yay!
[20:07] <simar> vish: :)
[20:08] <vish> simar: you need not necessarily teach only about synaptics , if they want to do other bugs , you can just guide them with the bugs and get them familiar with the workflow..
[20:10] <simar> vish: ya but ashams says he'll be happy triaging something that i know and it will be a start and then he'll triage many others..
[20:10] <vish> simar: cool!  was just mentioning it now, wanted to send that in the mail , but forgot :)
[20:12] <simar> vish: I will try, that my other student will triage something else.. n myself too ;)
[20:13] <simar> ashams: Here is a list of all bugs that need to be touched ie New as you have read in documentation.
[20:13] <simar> ashams: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New
[20:13] <simar> ashams: just have a look
[20:13] <ashams> simar:ok
[20:14] <simar> ashams: let me find some suitable one
[20:14] <ashams> simar: ok
[20:16] <simar> ashams: till then you would like to have a look here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/565543
[20:16] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 565543 in linux (Ubuntu) "Alps touchpad detected as ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse(in VAIO E series) after the kernel upgrade (affects: 13) (heat: 82)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[20:22] <ashams> simar: well, it looks like a problem with the driver?
[20:23] <simar> ashams: yes .. have you noticed how a triager intervenes a bug report.
[20:23] <simar> ashams: how to greet at first..
[20:28] <ashams> simar: I cannot understand what you say!
[20:28] <simar> ashams: don't worry, take your time..
[20:29] <simar> ashams: leave it and keep it as a reference , just subscribe it using Subscribe in green at right ..
[20:29] <simar> ashams: report after doing so
[20:29] <ashams> simar: done
[20:30] <simar> ashams: Now you can find this bug easily using launchpad in bugs section at you page and then subscribed bugs..
[20:30] <ashams> simar: what did you mean with " how to greet at first.."?
[20:30] <simar> ashams: can you find it
[20:31] <simar> ashams: That how a triager greets and thanks for reporting bug that i did in my first comment..
[20:31] <ashams> simar: yes
[20:32] <simar> ashams: both things clear?
[20:34] <ashams> simar: yes
[20:35] <simar> ashams: we need to speed up. I have a class tomorrow at 8 and its 1 am here already.
[20:35] <simar> ashams: see this  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/355372
[20:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 355372 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "unstoppable scrolling synaptics touchpad (heat: 7)" [Undecided,New]
[20:36] <simar> ashams: First subscribe..
[20:36] <njin> pedro_: are you around ?
[20:37] <pedro_> njin, hello , yes
[20:38] <ashams> simar: yes I see it in my supscription list
[20:38] <ashams> simar: and I got back to it!
[20:39] <njin> pedro_: today i've  alp trecking with son's, i'm phisically destroyed.
[20:39] <ashams> simar: so is there any triagging mistakes?
[20:43] <simar> ashams: subscribe the new bug. I can't see you in subscribers list..
[20:43] <simar> ashams: bug 355372
[20:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 355372 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "unstoppable scrolling synaptics touchpad (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355372
[20:43] <ashams> simar: ok
[20:46] <ashams> simar: yes I supscribed now, so you want to finish it, its ok!
[20:47] <ashams> simar: if you're going to finish now, please tell me when to be here again?
[20:47] <simar> ashams: wait a sec now
[20:47] <ashams> simar: ok
[20:48] <simar> ashams: change the status to incomplete..
[20:49] <simar> ashams: This means you need to get information from the user, and you are triaging the bug
[20:49] <ashams> simar: I'm sorry I need to go.
[20:50] <simar> ashams: ok, we 'll catch tomorrow with the same bug ..
[20:50] <ashams> simar: OK but when???
[20:50] <ashams> simar: when?
[20:51] <ashams> simar: please give me the exact time to be here?
[20:52] <simar> ashams:  at 16:30 UTC
[20:52] <ashams> simar: ok
[20:52] <ashams> simar: bye now
[20:52] <simar> ashams: see my time here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[20:52] <simar> ashams: see ya
[20:53] <ashams> simar: ok
[20:53] <simar> ashams: gn
[21:09] <devildante> unreviewed patches reduced to 1479! woohoo!
[21:11] <vish> devildante: hey , are you working on the update-manager renaming?
[21:11] <devildante> vish: oh god, I forgot :p
[21:12] <vish> devildante: needs to be ready before UIF ;)
[21:12] <devildante> vish: will start working on it now :)
[21:12] <vish> devildante: yay! \o/
[21:13] <vish> devildante: woah! maverick u-m is gonna rock!
[21:13] <devildante> vish: would a renaming make it rock even more? :p
[21:14] <vish> devildante: rocker!  ?  ;p
[21:14] <devildante> vish: anyway, I got plans for this little guy (muhaha)
[21:15] <devildante> for NN (insert joke about the version code)
[21:15] <vish> no one shall be spared:  > http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/ listen and get addicted too !
[21:17] <devildante> bookmarked :p
[21:17] <yofel> u-m is being renamed?
[21:18] <yofel> (I don't follow gnome things much ^^)
[21:20] <devildante> yofel: it was a decision taken yesterday or the day before (I don't quite remember :p)
[21:20] <devildante> vish: I'm gonna put this link EVERYWHERE :p
[21:21] <vish> :D
[21:28] <devildante> vish: do you know the applications that uses update-notifier's gconf keys?
[21:31] <vish> devildante: not sure.. maybe the indicator-session?
[21:31] <vish> nah not it
[21:31] <devildante> vish: I would like to rename the gconf keys as well
[21:33] <vish> devildante: i would do that in probably two branches/commits.. in case it breaks something , we can revert easier
[21:33] <devildante> vish: yeah, you're right
[21:34] <devildante> vish: still, I'll rename the update-manager ones, as I think only the app itself uses them
[21:34] <vish> devildante: cool!
[21:34] <vish> devildante: we need an mvo! ;p
[21:35] <jpds> a mvo.
[21:35]  * devildante creates an mvo
[21:35] <vish> heh
[21:35] <devildante> jpds: why?
[21:35] <jpds> devildante: m is not a vowel, so it's an a.
[21:36] <devildante> jpds: wow, you're right - still, "an mvo" sounds cool :p
[21:36] <jpds> ;-)
[21:36] <astraljava> Yeah, but only if you pronounce them together. If separately, it's an m-v-o.
[21:37] <devildante> all right, I want everyone to include this in their quit/part message: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/
[21:37] <devildante> :p
[21:41] <penguin42> devildante: I'm sure those guys would do custom version
[21:42] <penguin42> s
[21:42] <devildante> :p
[22:10] <virusuy> Evening 0/
[22:12]  * penguin42 is confused by bug 428318 - one with a patch
[22:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 428318 in util-linux (Ubuntu) "unable to mount an ext2 partition by label or uuid, unbootable system (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 83)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/428318
[22:12] <penguin42> I think the patch that is there is already in the util-linux 2.17.2 that it is in maverick, however I don't know if it actually fixes those guys problems
[22:13] <penguin42> and actually it sounds like it was probably in lucid