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superm1jdong, be careful using su, it may open a console kit session, making an error popup whenever you try to shutdown using ck00:02
superm1ran into that problem with mythbackend, and ended up patching in support to natively drop permissions in the app instead00:03
jdongsuperm1: ouch. Fortunately this is just a topless server so I'00:03
jdongerr00:03
jdongdid I say that?00:03
jdongI mean headless.00:03
jdongsame thing :)00:03
cjwatsonsuperm1: su is the wrong tool for nearly any job anyway, so I'm sure it's no great loss00:09
cjwatsonyou certainly should never use it noninteractively, since it opens a PAM session00:09
cjwatsonand its argument parsing is awful00:09
cjwatsonman-db.postinst does a simple thing in perl; there are many options00:10
Gslangasek: FYI, I just updated 571093 (libvirt bug) looks like the SRU patch isn't the latest, the libvirt guys modified it slightly before pushing it and found a couple of other memory leaks00:13
slangasekG: is the patch that's currently there free of regressions and an incremental improvement over the status quo?00:14
slangasek(we're not going to have time for further fixes to libvirt before 10.04.1, so the question is whether we can commit to the current package in good conscience, or if I need to roll it back and respin candidate images)00:15
Gslangasek: I believe it is00:16
Gslangasek: let me just check one thing though00:16
Gslangasek: yep just double checked, I just noticed that we are in one case with the patch in proposed free'ing twice, but the function libvirt uses to free it, does check that it exists, so there shouldn't be a Null Pointer as a result00:19
Gslangasek: so I don't see any regressions in the code00:21
Gand the patch proposed, has been working for me for a while00:22
slangasekG: great, will promote to -updates then - thanks!00:25
Gslangasek: no problem, it was a pain of a bug to try and reproduce :)00:26
penguin42G: Are you using libvirt on a maverick install and if so do you find you have to disable the apparmor profiles for it?00:29
Gpenguin42: ha, my maverick machine hasn't been updated for a while and I never got round to doing VM stuff on it, it's been on my TODO list for ages :)00:29
Ggotta work out the phantom reboots first, I think some are Kernel some PSU :(00:30
penguin42G: OK, just wondered if it was just me; I have a pair of separte VM issues on maverick; apparmor and the SDL consoles broke a week or two00:30
penguin42ago00:30
penguin42hmm does 2.6.35 still have the alt-sysrq bug?00:30
G(and I couldn't get kdump etc working to try and report the panics)00:31
penguin42hmm no the forgetting about key up seems to have gone00:31
Gpenguin42: is there a bug number for the libvirt/apparmor/SDL thing?00:35
penguin42I've done the SDL one, not the apparmor one yet00:35
GI might start to throw Maverick on my other box00:35
penguin42G: bug 61507700:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 615077 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] SDL local window broken in last update" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61507700:35
Gpenguin42: I'll give it a go sometime :)00:38
penguin42I'll try it again to see if it got fixed00:38
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mathiazcjwatson: when netbooting d-i, is there a way to specify to install from the cdrom (ie take packages from the cdrom)?01:24
superm1cjwatson, right, the reason the ck session was open was because of the pam.  so yeah good it's all sorted out now01:32
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pittiGood morning05:10
ajmitchmorning05:10
ionhi05:11
rsalvetipitti: do you know which process should be responsible for stopping ureadahead?06:07
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rsalvetiit seems that nobody is stopping ureadhead, it's paused waiting for sigterm (stop)06:08
pittirsalveti: erm, I don't understand? it just exits by itself once it's done reading all the files06:08
pittirsalveti: oh, you mean the collector?06:08
ion“stop on stopped rc”06:08
rsalvetipitti: yep, because it sets up the collector (debugfs) and then pause waiting for someone to stop it (send the sigterm)06:08
pittithe collector is stopped by /etc/init/ureadahead.conf, "pre-stop exec sleep 45"06:08
rsalvetithen it'll generate the pack file06:09
rsalvetibut I don't know who is responsible for stopping it06:09
pittirsalveti: after those 45 secs, it gets stopped ("stopped rc" means all the rc*.d scripts ran)06:09
rsalvetihm, so some other script is still running06:10
rsalvetiI just updated another machine to maverick and then I noticed this issue06:12
rsalvetipitti: the weird thing is that rc is at "stop/waiting" but ureadahead is still "start/running"06:18
rsalvetineed to run upstart with debug to understand what's happening06:19
pittislangasek: AFAICS we now have everything in -updates for 10.04.1, right?06:30
slangasekpitti: looks like it, though I see an openjdk security update was published to lucid-updates today06:36
pittislangasek: do you want to include that on new respins?06:36
pittithere'll always be "that next update", after all06:36
pittiI hear a kernel update is coming soon, too06:36
slangasekpitti: no, I think we should go with it as-is; but I would have expected a freeze to be in effect on copies to lucid-updates at least until we took the point release snapshot06:37
slangasek(which I'll go ahead and do now)06:37
pittioh, right06:38
pittislangasek: does that run automatically from cron these days?06:38
slangasekthe pocket copy?  I don't know06:38
slangasekpitti: snapshot taken; I've also manually added the openjdk-6 sources to the snapshot, so we should be covered to proceed06:41
pittinice; so 10.04.1 is carved in stone now?06:41
pittislangasek: can you please ping me when you want to lift the -proposed freeze?06:42
slangasekpitti: yes, I think 10.04.1 is locked in; everything is in -updates now that should be, if we do any further respins we can do them without -proposed, so please consider -proposed unfrozen06:43
pittiah, nice; time to process the large backlog then :)06:44
dholbachgood morning07:57
ionhi07:58
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bilalakhtar308:34
bilalakhtarsorry typed 3 by mistake08:35
ionThat’s unforgivable.08:36
bilalakhtarion: jokes are not forgiveable on this channel08:38
pittibilalakhtar: good bye, hello, good bye, hello again08:39
bilalakhtarpitti: I cannot help. services takes a long time to assign me my cloak08:40
bilalakhtarby that time irssi joins all the channels08:40
bilalakhtarWhen is M-o-M supposed to be up again?08:46
bilalakhtarmanually merging until then08:46
dholbachhola seb12808:50
seb128hey dholbach08:53
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StevenKcjwatson: In regards to bug 582183, would you like initialise-from-parent to also copy the archive permissions?09:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 582183 in Soyuz "initialize-from-parent should initialise package sets in new series" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58218309:50
pittiStevenK: oh, it doesn't already? I. e. right now ACLs need to be set up again for each new release?09:58
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arapitti, can I ask you a quick apport question?11:08
pittiara: sure11:08
arapitti, I am trying to add tags to a report (in an apport hook that I am writing)11:09
araif I put report['Tags'] = 'tag1 tag2', then 'maverick' and arch are not added11:09
pittiara: they are added before11:10
arabut if I use report.setdefault, then tag1 and tag2 are not added11:10
pittiara: you need to use +=11:10
pittireport['Tags'] += ' tag1 tag2'11:11
arapitti, ok, I tried that and debugging it (using python source_...) i got an exception, but I guess it works differently11:11
pittiara: ah, in that case they aren't added by apport of course11:11
bdrung\o/ the sponsor request count for main is < 7011:11
pittiara: add this so that it works in both cases:11:11
pitti    report.setdefault('Tags', '')11:11
pittibdrung: good work!11:11
dholbachbdrung, woohoo!11:11
arapitti, OK, will try that11:12
arathanks a lot!11:12
bdrungpitti, dholbach : thanks. i will be on vacation soon. hopefully the number won't be higher when i come back11:13
cjwatsonStevenK: yes please, would save me a deal of hassle11:13
cjwatsonslangasek: yes, copies from -security to -updates are cronned; I shouldn't think that matters because builds happen from -security as well anyway, in other words the thing that arguably should have been frozen was security publications rather than copies to updates11:14
arapitti, one more question, if the application crashes, and the package has an apport hook, will apport attach the information in the hook (apart from coredump)11:46
ara?11:46
pittiara: yes, that's the main point of those :)11:46
pittiara: you can test that locally by starting the app, and killall -SEGV appname11:47
pittithen apport will come up, and you can click the "details" expander to see the repot11:47
pittireport11:47
arapitti, thanks again, you rock :-)11:47
pittiara: you too! :011:48
pittimy shift key doesn't11:48
ara:D11:48
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wgrantcjwatson: Do you want xz for 3.0 sources as well?12:23
cjwatsonwgrant: I figured one thing at a time; that should be a separate bug12:25
cjwatsonwgrant: I have a diff locally for data.tar.xz; was just looking for a *cough* pre-impl chat in #launchpad-reviews12:25
wgrantYes, they do often tend to be "pre"-imp...12:25
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cjwatsonwgrant: though to give you a straight answer, .orig.tar.xz or whatever isn't an immediate priority for me; my motivation is in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-m-spring-cleaning12:26
wgrantAh, so just killing off existing lzma stuff?12:26
cjwatsonright12:27
Riddelldholbach: you can wipe ~dholbach/tmp/sponsoring-list, all done12:32
dholbachRiddell, done, thanks a lot12:32
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Riddelldholbach: who should I subscribe to bug 617787 to get it approved?12:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 617787 in Ubuntu "Sync request: 3depict" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61778712:38
\shhmm...did anybody setup a squeeze sbuild chroot with mk-sbuild in the last days? it stops with "finish: apt-get command not found"13:14
dholbachRiddell, ubuntu-sponsors13:22
sorenHm... I have a build that failed in lucid-proposed, but worked excellently in my PPA. A debdiff between the two source packages only shows the different versions I used in debian/changelog and a different timestamp. It's a bit of a mystery.13:22
sorenThe build that works: https://edge.launchpad.net/~soren/+archive/nova/+build/191847513:22
sorenThe build that failed: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-mode-linux/2.6.32-1um-3ubuntu3.1/+build/192205813:22
sorenEverything is pretty much identical up until the build starts (the lucid-proposed build apparantly has lucid-proposed enabled which my ppa does not. Only difference seems to be an unrelated change in libc6).13:23
sorenThe build starts out running a "make oldconfig" on the kernel. The build log from the non-PPA buildd suggests that the kernel's build system thinks it's a 32-bit system, but it's not.13:24
sorenDoes anyone have any clues?13:24
* soren is inclined to retry the build.13:25
* soren saves the build log and retries the build13:27
\shcan someone approve lucid nomination for bug #533369 and eventually fix it ? :) thx13:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 533369 in debootstrap (Ubuntu Karmic) "Fails to debootstrap squeeze chroot due to missing apt-get" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53336913:27
cjwatsonI've approved the nomination but have no time to do SRUs just now13:32
\shcjwatson: thx :)13:33
cndseb128, what do I need to do to start the ball rolling on MIRs for utouch stuff?13:33
cndhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess?13:34
seb128cnd, write mir reports for those?13:34
cndok, I assume it's documented there13:35
cndI asked before I google searched13:35
zuldid 10.04.1 go out?13:35
* cnd chastises himself13:35
cndthanks seb12813:35
seb128cnd, right, that page describe what you need to do13:36
\shcjwatson: if it helps you, I'll prepared an debdiff for the SRU (needs uploading to lucid-proposed)13:42
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Riddellsiretart: do you know what the status of bug 374900 is?  can it be closed?13:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 374900 in faac (Ubuntu) "Libfaac not LGPL" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37490013:46
cjwatson\sh: I thought you were a core-dev - can't you upload it directly?13:47
cjwatson\sh: the debdiff isn't what takes the time for SRUs for me, it's the administration13:47
\shcjwatson: I'm not :)13:49
\shcjwatson: anymore :)13:49
cndI made a bug report against the upstream project in lp, how can I move that to the ubuntu package project?13:52
cndor is that possible?13:52
sorencnd: Click the "also affects distribution" link.13:54
cndsoren, ahh13:55
cndthanks!13:55
sorencnd: Sure.13:55
\shmicahg: ping14:04
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cndseb128, does a packages build deps all need to be in main, or just binary package deps?14:07
seb128build-depends as well14:07
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siretartRiddell: the TB has asked cjwatson to look into this. Collin, any news on that?14:29
chrisccoulsonhi persia - do you mind if i hijack bug 522645, or did you plan to do any work on that?14:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 522645 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[MIR] chromium-browser" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52264514:37
persiachrisccoulson, I never intended to work on it: I filed it because there were discussions as to whether it would be in main, and I thought they should be tracked in a bug.  You aren't hijacking it (or I would have been assigned)14:39
chrisccoulsonpersia - cool, thanks. i'll use your existing report then rather than starting a new one14:40
persiachrisccoulson, That's why it's there :)  Good luck.14:40
cjwatsonsiretart: none, sorry14:41
cjwatson(P.S. "Colin")14:41
chrisccoulsonheh, thanks ;)14:41
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tgardnerhow can I figure out where a Linaro kernel package lives? linux-image-2.6.35-1001-omap_2.6.35-1001.5_armel.deb is not in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/{main,universe}/l/linux or http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/{main,universe}/l/linux14:55
ogralinux-image-2.6.35-1001-omap_2.6.35-1001.5_armel.deb ?14:56
ograthat would conflict with the existing omap image, no ?14:56
tgardnerograthe ABI is different14:56
tgardnerogra: ^^14:56
ograstill very confusing14:57
dholbachhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=linux-image-2.6.35-1001-omap14:57
ogratgardner, cant you have a linaro in the name somewhere ?14:57
tgardnerogra: thats what I'm working on14:57
ograah14:57
arapersia, hi!14:57
ogratgardner, is the package through the NEW qeueu already ?14:58
ogra(else you wont find it in the archive)14:58
tgardnerdholbach, we pull the package from the archive to extract the ABI, so I need to know the URL14:58
persiaara, The document I'm sure you want to ask me about has been getting better every couple days, but still doesn't quite make sense to the uninitiated.14:59
dholbachtgardner, I'm afraid I don't know14:59
tgardnerogra: I think so. checking...14:59
dholbachtgardner, I just searched for it14:59
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ograthe meta is at http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/universe/l/linux-linaro-meta/ but i dont see the actual package14:59
arapersia, OK, thanks for the update14:59
arapersia, anything I can help with?14:59
dholbachtgardner, does https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-linaro help?15:00
JFopersia! hope I didn't miss your ping in the recent past. I know you said you wanted to talk with me after Platform.15:00
persiaara, Not right now, but I'll copy you on the next review round: I'm still processing notes from the last review (separation of policy & procedure, etc.)15:00
tgardnerdholbach, I can see it via Launchpad, but I'm not finding the binary in the archive15:00
persiaJFo, I think I didn't ping you, but I'll accept reverse pings :)15:01
JFoheh15:01
dholbachtgardner, ok15:01
ogratgardner, http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/l/linux-linaro/15:02
ograthere it is15:02
tgardnerogra: wtf? why did it go there15:02
cjwatsonarmel is all on ports15:03
ogratgardner, someone accepted it into main and its armel15:03
zygais anyone here using GMA500 on maverick?15:03
tgardnercjwatson, its not ports that I'm questioning, it linux-linaro15:03
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cjwatsonwell that's just the source package name somebody gave it15:03
ograChanged-By: John Rigby <john.rigby@linaro.org>15:04
ograMaintainer: Ubuntu Kernel Team <kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com>15:04
ograSigned-By: Tim Gardner <tim.gardner@canonical.com>15:04
ogratgardner, well, you apparently signed it :)15:05
tgardnercjwatson, ok, I get it now. it follows the source package name. guess I should have figured that out.15:05
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nigelbbdrung: OMG, you're fast.15:14
nigelbI just saw a debdiff uploaded within 45 minutes of posting.15:15
bdrungnigelb: i am always fast :P15:15
nigelbEven before I could catch up with the mail trail ;)15:15
nigelbbdrung: Now I know :D15:15
bdrungnigelb: your debdiff for karmic needs a refresh and sponsor-patch should not pull a version from -backports15:16
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nigelbbdrung: wait, It should \sh gave a new debdiff?15:17
nigelbah, that was for lucid.15:18
nigelbok, I'll try to get to it.15:18
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highvoltagesabdfl: hi! any chance on choosing a name for 11.04 soon? it's getting to that part in the release cycle where people are writing maverick+1 a lot :)15:42
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\shnigelb: what?15:51
\shbdrung: thanks for sponsoring16:02
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bdrung\sh: yw16:06
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kirklandpitti: ping16:48
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nigelb\sh: um, sorry about the ping. It was about the debbootstrab bug for which you uploaded debdiff for sru.17:01
sorenI'm still wondering about my user-mode-linux ftbfs in lucid-proposed. An identical build in my ppa worked flawlessly. Is there any reason whatsoever why an amd64 buildd would report a 32 bit personality?17:05
cjwatson*blink* cosmic rays?17:05
cjwatsonnot that I can think of, maybe check with lamont17:05
sorenIt did it twice.17:05
sorenThe only way I can get it to fail in a similar way for on my local box is by prefixing dpkg-buildpackage with linux32.17:05
sorenlamont: Any clues at all?17:06
sorenhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-mode-linux/2.6.32-1um-3ubuntu3.1/+build/1922058 <---- the build in question17:06
chrisccoulsonsoren - it's funny you should mention that, as i've just started getting loads of weird build failures on amd64 for all of the mozilla daily builds17:07
sorenchrisccoulson: Fascinating.17:07
chrisccoulsonthings like this - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53843956/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.firefox_3.6.9~hg20100817r34534%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz17:07
sorenchrisccoulson: On all buildd's or just..17:07
lamontsoren: interesting as all get out17:07
chrisccoulsonsoren - on everything, on all releases17:07
lamontin fact, i386 builds are frequently done on amd64 kernels, with linux32 in front of things17:07
chrisccoulsonsoren - https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+packages17:07
sorenlamont: This is an amd64 build.17:07
chrisccoulsonall todays builds failed :(17:07
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sorenchrisccoulson: Even in the PPA?17:08
cjwatsonthere was some chatter about repurposing some amd64 PPA buildds as i386; I smell a rat17:08
chrisccoulsonsoren - yeah, these are all PPA builds17:08
sorenchrisccoulson: Ah, I see.17:08
lamontsh: gcc: not found17:08
lamontdpkg-architecture: warning: Couldn't determine gcc system type, falling back to default (native compilation)17:08
lamontI  don't like that much17:08
cjwatsonthat always happens, doesn't it?17:08
elmoyes, it does17:08
sorenI thought so too. It didn't raise an eyebrow.17:08
cjwatsonI thought that was an artifact of something being run outside the chroo17:08
sorenOk.17:08
cjwatsont17:08
seb128that's not new for sure17:08
lamonttrue17:09
\shnigelb: I didn't do the karmic one...cause I didn't have a karmic sbuild right now17:09
lamontthe machine clearly thinks it's amd64...17:09
nigelb\sh: I know.  bdrung has asked me to refresh it a bit :)17:10
sorenKernel build from 10 hours ago worked fine. My initial build that failed was from 6-7 hours ago. Did anything change roughly in that timeframe?17:10
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\shnigelb: cool...17:11
* soren does an experiment17:11
lamontsoren: I assume MCORE2 is 64-bit, yes?17:11
\shnow gone from office17:11
bdrungnigelb: i would have refreshed it, but sponsor-patch pulls the wrong version. i need to fix this first.17:11
sorenlamont: It supports both.17:11
chrisccoulsoncjwatson - checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu17:11
chrisccoulsonchecking build system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu17:11
chrisccoulson:/17:11
sorenerr.. obviously.17:11
nigelbbdrung: heh, trying to fix one bug exposes another.  Normal :)17:11
bdrungnigelb: it's unrelated. it's the first package i touch that had a backport17:12
sorenlamont: CONFIG_MCORE2 is set by the config. It chooses the config based on dpkg --print-architecture (which, incidentally perhaps, is unaffected by personality).17:12
nigelbbdrung: Ah, cool :)17:13
lamontwell, and crested is amd64 with an amd64 chroot, so shouldn't matter17:13
bdrungnigelb: do you have the bug number at hand?17:14
sorenlamont: Unless something accidentally runs it with linux32.17:15
lamontsoren: the last thing I'm aware of that has even a remote chance of having affected it happened on crested 20 hours ago17:16
sorenlamont: Can you bump the build score of this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~soren/+archive/ppa/+build/1922960 ?17:16
lamontand everywhere else about the same time17:16
sorenlamont: It's a bit of an experiment.17:16
sorenlamont: And what would that be?17:16
lamontStart in 1 minute (55555555)17:17
lamontlp-buildd upgraded17:17
sorenWow.17:17
sorenI feel so special.17:17
lamontOTOH, changes were all elsewhere17:17
lamontstring of 5's is my "special" value.17:17
nigelbbdrung: 53336917:20
nigelbbdrung: bug 53336917:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 533369 in debootstrap (Ubuntu Karmic) "Fails to debootstrap squeeze chroot due to missing apt-get" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53336917:20
bdrungnigelb: thx17:20
sorenAha!17:21
sorenLinux promethium 2.6.24-27-xen #1 SMP Wed Mar 24 12:56:18 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux17:21
sorenfrom the amd64 build.17:21
soren(output of uname -a)17:21
sorenlamont: ^17:21
soreni686 == bad17:21
soren:)17:21
chrisccoulsonso, that will be why all my builds fail then ;)17:22
sorenIndeed.17:22
chrisccoulsonphew :)17:22
* chrisccoulson wipes brow17:22
lamontneat17:24
sorenMaybe the kernel got lucky, because it specifically passes an ARCH value.17:25
sorenuser-mode-linux's ARCH setting is "um", the SUBARCH is detected from uname -m.17:25
* lamont yanks the rug out from under promethium, investigates17:26
slangasekcjwatson: well, it's rather a long window to freeze all security updates, and in the past I thought we did handle this as freezing -updates publishing only since the relevant question is whether we have the source to reproduce the images?  or maybe I've not accurately understood the purpose of the archive snapshot17:26
cjwatsonslangasek: I may be wrong; I suspect there is room for process refinement ...17:27
sorenlamont: I doubt it's specific to promethium. If you're just picking a random one for investigation, that's cool, but I'm seeing the same on crested and chrisccoulson had it happen on a bunch of different ones.17:27
sorenlamont: just sayin'.17:27
lamontyeah - just picking a random known place17:28
lamontand I have my suspicion17:28
hallynso i've got a bzr branch that i had proposed for merge, and the relevant commits were in fact merged into lucid-proposed.  But the tree is still listed as pending merge.  Shoudl I cancel the merge request, or leave that until it gets from lucid-proposed into lucid-updates?17:29
sorenlamont: Lovely.17:30
sorenchrisccoulson: Thanks for chiming in. I would have stared at this for hours thinking it was local to this package.17:30
sorenchrisccoulson: Or days, even.17:31
lamontsoren: so...  I've put all of amd64 on manual for a little bit while I do somemore investigating.17:31
lamontsince all around, feh.17:31
chrisccoulsonsoren - heh, you're welcome ;)17:31
* soren is stubborn with stuff like this17:31
chrisccoulsoni probably also would have spent a long time looking at it if cjwatson didn't suggest what the issue might be ;)17:31
sorenchrisccoulson: What? Cosmic rays? :D17:32
cjwatsonwe might need to look into the possibility that there have been misbuilds17:32
lamontcjwatson: verily17:33
hallynrephrase:  does a merge proposal need to stay open for commits to propagate from lucid-propsoed to lucid-updates?  Or will that happen (barring regressions/objections) regardless?17:34
cjwatsonthe merge proposal doesn't need to stay open for that17:34
hallyncjwatson: thanks17:34
cjwatsonif it's been (effectively) merged into its target branch, you can mark it as merged17:35
hallyncjwatson: don't see how to do that in the lp bzr page (need some special privs?) but i've deleted the proposal, so hopefully all's good17:38
cjwatsonthat should be fine17:38
hallyn(though then it always lists as 'supserseded' for merge...  weird)17:39
mih1406Hi, I am learning C++/Qt and want to switch to GTK17:44
mih1406What are the packages that I need as a C++/GTK developer?17:45
SpamapShallyn: you can just change the status to "Merged", can't you?17:45
mih1406I do not want GTK+, I want GTKmm. But I do not know which packages I need?17:45
cjwatsonmih1406: libgtkmm-2.4-dev is the primary one, and you'll probably want libgtkmm-2.4-doc too17:45
cjwatson(apt-cache search gtkmm)17:45
hallynSpamapS: where?17:45
mih1406Is there a documentation for GTKmm packaged?17:46
lamontsoren: version bump and re-upload your testpackage, give me the build record pls?17:47
lamontassuming it built successfully rather than failing, that is17:47
sorenlamont: 2 seconds.17:47
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sorenlamont: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-mode-linux/2.6.32-1um-3ubuntu3.1/+build/192205817:47
sorenlamont: Just rebuild that one.17:48
cjwatsonmih1406: libgtkmm-2.4-doc17:48
lamontsure17:48
sorenHeh. Launchpad has apparantly given up guessing when it'll build :)17:49
lamont0 builders17:49
sorenAh, of course.17:49
sorenlamont: That's not a PPA build, by the way. Don't know if you noticed or it matters at all.17:50
mih1406cjwatson: libgtkmm-2.4-dev requires many packages!!17:51
lamontaborted all the currnetly-running amd64 builds17:51
mih1406Are they important?17:51
lamontsoren: yeah, no worries17:51
mih140657 packages!17:52
cjwatsonmih1406: yes, they're part of the interface17:52
cjwatsonmih1406: (how much time do you want to spend second-guessing dependencies, versus getting on with your work? :-) )17:52
mih1406"second-guessing" ??17:53
soren"questioning".17:54
sorenSort of.17:54
mih1406sorry for that17:55
lamontmih1406: 100+ packages for build-depends is not a rare situation.  just fyi18:00
bilalakhtarcjwatson: as for the meeting time problem, do you suggest earlier or later?18:04
mih1406I want to develop in C++ and GTKmm what are good tools for that?18:05
* jdong would be tempted to suggest a waterproof laptop and large amounts of vodka18:06
cjwatsonbilalakhtar: I plan to suggest both and see what people like18:07
bilalakhtarcjwatson: well, my opinion doesn;t count that much, but I would say, early18:07
cjwatsonbilalakhtar: it will have to be something that the board members can consistently make18:08
bilalakhtarcjwatson: yup, it appears persia is in a very eastern time zone, so for persia it would also be 'early'18:09
sorenlamont: Perhaps I should come up with a quicker test case :)18:09
sorenlamont: There it goes.18:09
sorenlamont: It works.18:09
SpamapShttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel - "Open to all to subscribe, posting moderated for people who are not Ubuntu developers" ...18:09
sorenlamont: It wouldn't have made it this far if it still failed.18:09
SpamapSMaybe its asking too much, but there seems to be no manpower behind said moderation.18:09
lamontcjwatson: 13 suspect builds, 12 if you ignore soren's lum build18:10
SpamapSWhich, I know as an aspiring ubuntu developer, is fairly frustrating if you'd like to weigh in on anything. :-/18:10
cjwatsonbilalakhtar: OTOH push it much earlier and it's painful for USians18:10
cjwatsonor Americans in general18:10
cjwatsonalways difficult18:10
bilalakhtarcjwatson: yup18:10
cjwatsonSpamapS: I just did a partial moderation pass ...18:10
bilalakhtarwith a developer community that huge its difficult to find the right time18:10
cjwatsonSpamapS: I wouldn't object to more help, it's me + ev right now18:11
SpamapScjwatson: You've been amazing at moderation. But I think you have quite a few things that count as higher priority on your plate. :)18:11
cjwatsonthough I do think moderators should be core-dev18:11
cjwatsonI don't think I can claim to be an amazing moderator, no18:12
SpamapSI'm not saying I expect instant moderation. But the lag time for emails I've sent to ubuntu-devel has been 7-10 days since subscribing in June.18:12
lamontsoren: awesome.  time to go roll all the amd64 builders around18:12
sorenlamont: Care to share the gory details?18:13
cjwatsonbilalakhtar: we may just need to rotate or something18:13
bilalakhtarcjwatson: yup18:13
bilalakhtarbye, people18:13
sorencjwatson: I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but 4 in the morning is a better time for me than the current one.18:13
SpamapScjwatson: I hate being a complainer when much of the work is in fact volunteer, so please feel free to tell me to stuff it and just concentrate on development. ;)18:14
cjwatsonno, complaints are good reminders18:14
lamontsoren: only under duress18:14
sorenlamont: :)18:14
sorenOh, well, good times. It works now, I'm happy.18:14
sorenlamont: Thanks for looking into it so quickly.18:15
lamontsoren: at this point, the 12 affected builds (1) might not be completely accurate, and (2) all I have is build ids.. working on getting actual URLs/package/version/archive info for them18:15
sorenlamont: How do you determine whether they're affected?18:15
lamontany amd64 build "first dispatched" since 20:00:00 UTC yesterday18:16
sorenThere's only 12 of those? Wow.18:16
lamontI think we looked at builds launched since then, and found that none had been not first dispatched since then, but started.18:17
lamontsoren: 13 with you.18:17
lamontthis is a happiness18:17
lamontor at least a lesser sadness18:18
sorenYeah, 12 builds are certainly a manageable set to have to rebuild.18:18
sorenOf course, this is only counting ubuntu proper, right? Not PPA's?18:19
lamontall of lp, I believe18:19
micahgI have 30 builds amd64 builds that FTBFS last night18:19
lamontthough I'm suspcious18:19
lamontso make that "yeah, that doesn't include ppa", i fear18:19
cjwatsonmicahg: we only really need to worry about the ones that succeeded18:19
sorenI have had 10 in the last 20 hours, I'm sure.18:19
cjwatsonthe rest can be given back en masse18:19
micahgcjwatson: ah, ok18:20
lamontcjwatson: exactly.  the successes are the ones that worry me18:20
lamontyellow fixed, and back in the game.  now for some ppa fun18:22
ari-tczewcjwatson: ping for private message18:22
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bdrungnigelb: done18:31
* nigelb hugs bdrung :)18:32
bdrungnigelb: you're welcome.18:34
bdrungseb128: your glib 2.25.14-1ubuntu1 upload: "Resync on Debian". is it a sync or a merge?18:36
seb128bdrung, it's a "grab the diff for the other upload listed in the change and apply that to ubuntu and upload"18:37
seb128ie not bothering to merge again, just applying a debian revision18:37
seb128bdrung, why?18:37
bdrungseb128: sync means to me same version. then it's just a merge without stating the remaining changes18:38
seb128bdrung, it's not a merge, it's backporting a debian change18:38
bdrunglooking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.25.14-1ubuntu1/+build/1922843 - some package build will be broken for two days18:39
seb128?18:39
bdrungseb128: aha, ok18:39
bdrungseb128: "Start 2010-08-19"18:39
seb128right, read backlog18:39
seb128I think amd64 builders are under work18:39
bdrungseb128: can you give me a time for the backlog?18:40
bdrungs/time/start time/18:41
seb128bdrung, 1:10 ago where lamont and soren and chrisccoulson were discussing18:41
lamontseb128: interestingly, that build wasn't listed as one of the affected - had you given it back before I finished that bit?18:44
lamontseb128: that is, more than 26 min ago?18:45
seb128lamont, I didn't give it back but uploaded like 2 hours ago18:46
lamontthat would fit18:47
lamontdoes it need a push?18:47
lamontor just when it lands is fine?18:47
bdrunglamont: the build blocks https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu-kvm/0.12.5+noroms-0ubuntu2 build on amd6418:48
pgranerkirkland, ping18:58
kirklandpgraner: yo19:01
pgranerkirkland, getting weird screen error message after todays update on maverick19:02
pgranerkirkland, using byobu for login19:03
kirklandpgraner: what's the error message say?19:03
pgranerpgraner@lenovo-T410:~$ ssh emerald.local19:04
pgranerCannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied19:04
pgranerpgraner@emerald:~$19:04
kirklandpgraner: maverick, or lucid on emerald?19:04
pgranerkirkland, sorry emerald is lucid19:05
kirklandpgraner: okay, right, there's a fix in lucid-proposed19:05
kirklandpgraner: init race condition caused that problem for you19:05
pgranerkirkland, ack19:05
kirklandpgraner: you should be able to fix it in the mean time with "sudo service screen-cleanup start"19:06
pgranerkirkland, ack, thanks19:06
pgranerkirkland, just wanted to make sure you saw it19:06
kirklandpgraner: yup, thanks, you want the existing bug number?19:08
pgranerkirkland, nope, its in a proposed update I'm golden19:08
kirklandpgraner: cool, yeah, thanks.19:10
djznwhen is 10.04.1 be out today, is it still some hope for today?19:10
djzncjwatson: does 10.04.1 get release today (ISOs)...?19:18
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cjwatsondjzn: don't know yet19:20
sebnerGlib uploads are nasty, it seems it broke empathy :P19:31
sabdflhighvoltage: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/47819:31
smoserpitti, i updated bug 582667. could you check it again for lucid-proposed ?19:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 582667 in cloud-init (Ubuntu Lucid) "add support for set selections" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58266719:32
sebnerseb128: meh, GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Logger' is not installed19:35
highvoltagesabdfl: awesome :)19:37
bdrungi get an oops when i retry to build eclipse on i386 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/3.5.2-5/+build/1844712/+retry)19:39
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highvoltagehttp://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/19:40
tonyyarussonarwhal...awesome.19:41
seb128sebner, context?19:41
sebnerseb128: <sebner> Glib uploads are nasty, it seems it broke empathy :P19:41
seb128lamont, sorry I was away, when it lands is fine19:41
micahgbdrung: well, it's scheduled anyways19:41
seb128sebner, works fine there19:42
sebnerseb128: do you have latest glib updates installed?19:42
seb128sebner, yes, I tested it before uploading19:42
sebnermeh19:42
sebnerseb128: any advice what I can do?19:43
seb128sebner, ls /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/19:43
sebnerseb128: uhh, http://pastebin.com/7JG8idba19:44
tonyyarusso(Say, anyone know if 10.04.1 is still on track for today?)19:45
seb128sebner, seems rather a bug in the telepathy-logger update then19:45
sebnerhmm19:46
sebnerah, you where the uploader there too, fine19:46
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tonyyarussoOn a related note, high five to robbiew for interim release managing, and Kate on the new job - I wasn't aware until just now that slangasek had left the position.19:46
sebnerseb128: it's not installed. needs a stronger dependency?!19:46
seb128sebner, I'm checking now, I just synced this one on Debian19:47
tonyyarusso(What's Kate's nick?  Is this someone I'll recognize?)19:47
robbiewtonyyarusso: running into a wubi bug, but hopefully we can workaround it19:47
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seb128sebner, empathy recommends telepathy-logger weird19:47
seb128sebner, I guess it should be a depends19:47
sebnerseb128: wasn't there some mail that recommends is not installed by default anymore? Btw, installing it fixes the problem19:47
tonyyarussorobbiew: ah, okay.  If the list is down to one bug that's getting pretty darn close, so I'll take that.19:47
* tonyyarusso needs to wipe and reinstall a couple of systems, figured he might as well do it with a .1 image19:48
seb128sebner, no, the email was from Keybuk and about recommends not being installed on the buildds19:48
sebnerah Ic19:48
slangasektonyyarusso: candidate images are up, feel free to test them and give us feedback? :)19:48
seb128sebner, empathy must have been working in a buggy way for you before without telepathy-logger19:49
seb128sebner, ie you probably didn't have any logging on chat history19:49
sebnerseb128: I definately had19:49
tonyyarussoslangasek: I could do that - where?19:50
tonyyarussojust under dailies or something else?19:50
slangasektonyyarusso: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/19:51
slangasektonyyarusso: or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/lucid, or ../kubuntu/..19:51
tonyyarussoright, 'k19:52
sebnerseb128: anyways, working now. thanks for you help :)19:52
seb128sebner, your're welcome19:52
seb128sebner, I will change the recommends to a depends19:52
sebnerfine19:52
* sebner hugs seb128 :)19:52
seb128;-)19:53
seb128I'm still wondering why the recommends didn't work19:53
sebnerseb128: I'm even more wondering because in the morning it was still working, now the day is over, installed all updates and it didn't start19:54
sebnerand there was no empathy update19:54
seb128well you should have got telepathy-logger installed way before19:55
seb128you probably didn't have logging for all this time19:55
sebnerseb128: as I said, I definately had logging before since I use this feature from time to time, but yes, it seems telepathy-logger was never installed before on this system19:56
seb128sebner, well logging was working until empathy stopped doing it in favor of telepathy-logger19:56
seb128which has been done some weeks ago now19:57
sebnerseb128: telepathy-logger seems to be pretty new anyways, first upload was in june/july19:57
seb128right19:57
lamontcjwatson: it appears that there were no successful amd64/lpia builds during the period in question.20:03
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lamontcjwatson: or maybe I'm misparsing things20:05
seb128lamont, should I be concerned about all the build failures on amd64?20:06
seb128lamont, or will you retry those after the buildds issues are solved?20:06
lamontbuildd issues are solved.  it would help my current effort if you told me a couple of the builds in question, but didn't retry them yet.20:07
lamontand I have an eye appt that I'll need to leave for in about 25 min20:08
lamontseb128: ^^20:08
lamont(and right now, I don't care if it's ppa or non-ppa examples of the issue, pass or fail)20:08
seb128 * Build Log: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtksourceview2/2.10.4-1/+build/1922335/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.gtksourceview2_2.10.4-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz20:08
seb128 * Build Log: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-logger/0.1.5-1/+build/1922341/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.telepathy-logger_0.1.5-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz20:08
seb128 * Build Log: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomekbd/2.31.5-0ubuntu2/+build/1922643/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.libgnomekbd_2.31.5-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz20:09
seb128lamont, ^ some recent failures20:09
seb128bah20:09
seb128those are on glib installability issues sorry20:09
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micahglamont: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/1921965/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-amd64.firefox_3.6.9%7Ehg20100817r34534%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1%7Eumd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz20:10
lamontyeah - I was going to say... they seem to predate the issue...20:10
lamontmicahg: ta20:10
micahglamont: there are 29 more in that PPA :)20:11
lamontjsregexp.cpp:4730: Error: operand type mismatch for `call' <-- that seems a bonafide failure, no?20:11
lamontalso predates the rollout yesterday20:12
micahgsorry, that must have been different, I know I saw some20:12
micahgthat's after 20:00 UTC yesterday20:12
micahglamont: here's one: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/53842834/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.xulrunner-2.0_2.0~b4~hg20100817r50707%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~karmic_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz20:13
lamontsame ppa though?20:13
micahglamont: yeah20:13
lamontmicahg: I need the buildid, not the librarian URL20:14
micahgoh, ok20:14
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micahglamont: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/192192620:15
lamontthanks20:15
lamontand most interesting.20:15
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lamontmicahg: is it ok if we leave that PPA alone until I get done figuring things out?20:20
micahglamont: how long is that, a new round is scheduled for 4:30 UTC, but I can ask for it to be delayed20:20
lamontoh, uploading new stuff doesn't matter20:21
lamontI'm just asking that you specifically do not retry those builds20:21
micahglamont: k, but they'll probably be superceded tonight, that's why I ask20:21
micahgat least some of them20:21
lamontyeah - superseded is fine20:21
lamontthe new upload will get a new build record, so not my worry20:22
micahglamont: k, I'll not retry and tell the others :)20:22
lamontthanks20:22
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pandorahi guys, is 10.04.1 being released today?20:32
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kirklandpgraner: you should be able upgrade that machine's screen to lucid-proposed now, if you like21:18
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jdstrandsoren: hey, so I am pretty sure vmbuilder isn't going to play well with libvirt 0.8.321:34
jdstrandsoren: libvirt now requires that you specify the disk format for disks. if none is specified, libvirt defaults to raw21:35
jdstrandsoren: which is fine for raw disks, but it looks like vmbuilder a) defaults to qcow2 and b) doesn't specify the disk format, so the domain won't start21:37
jdstrandsoren: basically, you need to add something like this:21:38
jdstrand    <disk type='file' device='disk'>21:38
jdstrand      <driver name='qemu' type='qcow2'/>21:39
jdstrand        <source file='...21:39
jdstranderr... that last 'source' didn't need to be indented21:39
jdstrandsoren: actually, it seems vmbuilder has more problems than that... I suggest giving it a thorough testing21:54
tonyyarussoslangasek, robbiew: lucid candidate for i386 alternate installed and is up and running fine for me btw.21:56
robbiewtonyyarusso: thnx...we have a few cornercase windows-related testcases left...wubi and migration assistant21:57
robbiewfigured a standard install would be fine ;)21:57
tonyyarussoWell, it's actually not *entirely* standard - I have it running on VMware ESXi, and connecting to it via XDMCP with Xming.21:57
tonyyarussobut yeah, no wubi nonsense here.21:58
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sorenjdstrand: Yeah, it's in dire need of love. I'll apply some very soon. I actually have a good excuse to spend work time on it now, as it happens.22:37
jdstrand\o/22:38
sladenjdong: empty package which Conflicts with something essential like  base-files  ?22:42
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ebroderHmm...is it normal to get the low-res, low-color plymouth splash when I have nvidia-current installed? Before when I was using the free drivers, I got a full-res splash23:45
ebroder(I'm doing this on a live USB with a persistent store, though, so it's not exactly a typical setup)23:46
ionYes23:46
ebroderBroken configuration in the initrd?23:47
ionBroken driver23:47
ebroderGot it23:47
ebroderDoes one of the other nvidia drivers work better?23:47
ionThat is, they have yet to bother to support KMS. None of the proprietary nvidia or fglrx drivers do.23:48
ebroderAh, got it23:48
jdongA neat side effect also seems to be prolonged blinking black cursor while ureadahead does its thing, and then a blink of a logo then gdm :)23:57
ionThat’s intentional. Not that i like it. I proposed printing a simple line of text such as “Loading Ubuntu” or just “Ubuntu” while waiting for ureadahead, but the powers that be said no. :-)23:59

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