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| * abogani waves! | 07:55 | |
| smb | morning | 08:07 |
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| jj-afk | morning | 08:08 |
| * apw yawns | 08:30 | |
| * smb wonders whether he should give apw virtual coffee. :) | 08:30 | |
| * apw looks blearily at his real tea | 08:31 | |
| RAOF | See, there's your problem. | 08:31 |
| jk- | RAOF: lol | 08:31 |
| RAOF | Tea is very sensitive; looking blearily at it can only result in tears! | 08:31 |
| apw | the trade off is the risk of dropping the tea in my lap due to tiredness induced incompetance against the restorative effects of the contents ... | 08:40 |
| smb | At least you would be awake then | 08:41 |
| RAOF | Dropping tea in your lap would certainly provide a temporary buff to attentiveness. | 08:41 |
| jk- | apw: on the other hand, that would wake you up | 08:41 |
| jk- | snap * 2 | 08:41 |
| smb | three minds one thought | 08:41 |
| apw | thats not the kind of awake i approve of | 08:41 |
| jk- | it's the kind of slapstick we approve of, though | 08:42 |
| RAOF | You haven't been fitted with the special Canonical underwear I take it then? | 08:42 |
| smb | Actually, wasn't that fortified on the opposite side only? :-P | 08:45 |
| apw | heheh | 09:02 |
| JFo | apw, should I be showing you guys any kino bugs or do we care about those? | 09:43 |
| apw | kino ? | 09:43 |
| JFo | yeah... | 09:44 |
| JFo | one sec. | 09:44 |
| JFo | bug 6290 | 09:44 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 6290 in baltix (and 1 other project) "DV capture over Firewire is broken (no rights for /dev/raw1394) (affects: 41) (dups: 10) (heat: 306)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6290 | 09:44 |
| JFo | doubt it has to do with us but there was a legacy team group subscribed to the bug | 09:45 |
| JFo | I've unsubscribed it | 09:45 |
| JFo | but I have no clue what kino is | 09:45 |
| apw | JFo, i would guess its a codename ... but given the age of that bug we are not interested anyhow, its like dapper time isn't it ? | 09:46 |
| JFo | yeah, I think they need to open a new bug | 09:46 |
| apw | oh its an app, but the age is the key here i ithink | 09:46 |
| JFo | k | 09:46 |
| apw | if they are reporting on that one ... i'd get a fresh one opened | 09:47 |
| JFo | will read through it then and decide what is needed | 09:47 |
| JFo | cool | 09:47 |
| ogra | it the typical DV capture tool | 09:47 |
| JFo | thanks :) | 09:47 |
| ogra | and is the one app that always exposed the brokeness of the FW stack | 09:47 |
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| ogra | JFo, given that there are recent comments from users that it is fixed for them, i'd set it to fix released no matter how old it is | 09:48 |
| JFo | k, that was what I was thinking too | 09:49 |
| apw | JFo, i think that bug can just be left alone | 09:50 |
| apw | its mostly (in this year timeframe) about switching to the new firewire stack and that being a good thing | 09:50 |
| JFo | apw, ok | 09:50 |
| JFo | yeah saw that | 09:50 |
| apw | as we have done that in maverick i suspect it is fixed in maverick from the user perspective, but not 100% sure how to be sure | 09:50 |
| JFo | just not sure who is responsible for kino | 09:50 |
| apw | as if it was we could close it there | 09:50 |
| apw | JFo, as it seems to be an app, not us :) | 09:51 |
| JFo | heh | 09:51 |
| JFo | my thoughts exactly | 09:51 |
| ogra | apw, its a kernel prob | 09:51 |
| JFo | it was the reason I had no issue removing that group subscribe | 09:51 |
| apw | ogra, if its a kernel problem then it should be filed against the kernel | 09:52 |
| apw | ogra, can you elucidate on the problem? as noone in the bug seems to be helping me | 09:52 |
| ogra | apw, and if the new firewire stack fixes it i'D close it, else it stays open forever | 09:52 |
| ogra | apw, its the permissins of the firewire device | 09:52 |
| ogra | *permissions | 09:52 |
| ogra | which i thought the new firewire stack fixes | 09:53 |
| apw | as in the the unix permissions or something deeper | 09:53 |
| ogra | unix permissions and something deeper :) | 09:53 |
| apw | so it might be worth asking for testing on maverick as the stacks are switched | 09:53 |
| ogra | the permissins are only set that way because its the only safe way | 09:53 |
| ogra | (by design) | 09:54 |
| apw | and if its a kernel problem it should have a kernel task so we can close that Fix Released on Maverick, and Won't Fix (you have a workaround) on Lucid | 09:54 |
| ogra | i would ask the last three commenters if they use maverick | 09:55 |
| ogra | and if so, close it | 09:55 |
| apw | JFo, ok read the whole bug and it does seem to be a case of, old kernel stack has no sane permissions model, new stack does. old stack therefore is prevents access without being root, new should not | 10:09 |
| apw | therefore .... will add linux tasks for lucid and maverick and close this in maverick kernel side | 10:09 |
| JFo | ok | 10:10 |
| JFo | sounds god to me | 10:10 |
| JFo | good* | 10:10 |
| apw | and actually in lucid too, as we are not going to change the default there | 10:10 |
| JFo | right | 10:10 |
| JFo | since the new stack is Mav only yes? | 10:10 |
| apw | will close that won't fix, but wth the appropriate comments about the workaround to switch the stack | 10:10 |
| diwic | Out of curiousity, I run Lucid on one machine here but with the Maverick backport kernel, am I running 1) the old FW stack 2) the new FW stack 3) some weird combination | 10:11 |
| JFo | diwic, the maverick backport kernel is not supported on desktpo ;) | 10:12 |
| JFo | heh | 10:12 |
| JFo | desktop* | 10:12 |
| JFo | what is with my spelling to day? | 10:12 |
| diwic | JFo, it does exist in the generic flavour though | 10:12 |
| JFo | exist yes....:) | 10:12 |
| diwic | JFo, and so far it has been working better than the Lucid one, graphics-wise | 10:13 |
| * JFo picks on diwic | 10:13 | |
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| jk- | hey JFo | 10:47 |
| JFo | heya jk- | 10:48 |
| jk- | JFo: saw your update on 584812; just waiting for feedback from Jerone.. | 10:50 |
| * JFo goes to look | 10:51 | |
| JFo | ah yeah | 10:51 |
| JFo | wanted to get the guys to take a look at it too during the weekly chat | 10:51 |
| JFo | would you rather I wait on that jk- ? | 10:52 |
| jk- | apw knows about it, once it's been tested I'll forward the config change to k-t for review | 10:52 |
| JFo | since I see that you have a test build that may take care of it | 10:52 |
| JFo | coolness | 10:52 |
| JFo | may just want to put on the hot list | 10:52 |
| JFo | good deal :) | 10:52 |
| apw | bug #584812 | 10:56 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 584812 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 4 other projects) "uinput kernel module is not loaded automatically (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/584812 | 10:56 |
| * apw has seen that yes | 10:57 | |
| JFo | :) | 11:00 |
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| * smb needs to run some errands. bb later | 15:03 | |
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| bjf | ## | 15:24 |
| bjf | ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting | 15:24 |
| bjf | ## agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 15:24 |
| bjf | ## | 15:24 |
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| pgraner | tgardner, lag: call in 10... | 15:52 |
| lag | pgraner: ack | 15:52 |
| lag | pgraner: Mumble? | 15:52 |
| pgraner | lag, yep | 15:52 |
| JFo | pgraner, I completely forgot to schedule myself | 15:53 |
| pgraner | JFo, dooh! | 15:53 |
| JFo | heh | 15:53 |
| tgardner | pgraner, ack | 15:53 |
| pgraner | JFo, we can do it next week when your back | 15:54 |
| JFo | k | 15:54 |
| JFo | apw, you still around? | 16:24 |
| apw | yep | 16:24 |
| JFo | smb are you around? | 16:30 |
| JFo | in the event that you are. would you have a look at bug 546091 | 16:32 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 546091 in linux (Ubuntu) "10.04 Installer doesn't properly detect 9240 MegaRaid SAS Controlers (affects: 8) (heat: 72)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546091 | 16:32 |
| JFo | think that could be caused by an old driver? | 16:33 |
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| smb | JFo, Now yes | 16:37 |
| JFo | heh | 16:40 |
| ogasawara | JFo: around for much longer today? | 16:40 |
| JFo | a bit yes :) | 16:41 |
| JFo | want me to try to attend the meeting? | 16:41 |
| ogasawara | JFo: nah, was hoping you could spam a small set of bugs for me | 16:41 |
| JFo | I may be able to indeed :) | 16:41 |
| ogasawara | JFo: which would then clear off one of your work items... "post CFT to lp bugs using an ubuntu/ driver" | 16:41 |
| ogasawara | JFo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.searchtext=rtl8192se | 16:41 |
| JFo | interesting | 16:42 |
| JFo | I don't remember that one | 16:42 |
| JFo | but I'd be happy to | 16:42 |
| ogasawara | JFo: In the most recent Maverick kernel I uploaded yesterday (linux-2.6.35-16.22) I'd updated rtl8192se | 16:42 |
| * JFo worries he missed subscribing to the BP | 16:42 | |
| JFo | ogasawara, cool | 16:43 |
| ogasawara | JFo: so if you could just spam those bugs asking if they could test with the latest 26.35-16.22 kernel that'd be awesome | 16:43 |
| JFo | will do | 16:43 |
| JFo | what BP is that item in? | 16:43 |
| JFo | misc? | 16:43 |
| ogasawara | JFo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-ubuntu-delta-review | 16:44 |
| JFo | yep, I missed subscribing to that one | 16:44 |
| JFo | fixed now | 16:44 |
| JFo | thank you :) | 16:44 |
| ogasawara | JFo: that last bug in that last might not be relevant, so you could maybe skip that one | 16:45 |
| JFo | k | 16:45 |
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| smb | JFo, scanning through that bug sounds like they would need a completely updated driver, yes. I would say its would be a candidate for lbm but they need that for installation. tgardner, pgraner anyone of you got hw that uses the megaraid_sas driver? | 16:49 |
| tgardner | smb, not me | 16:49 |
| tgardner | smb, is this a regression, or just a new version of the card ? | 16:50 |
| smb | tgardner, I would say a new version | 16:50 |
| smb | yep | 16:50 |
| smb | Three newer cards | 16:50 |
| JFo | sm, thanks for looking | 16:51 |
| tgardner | smb, I wonder if "we" are smart enough to build an ISO with the LTS backported kernel on it for testing. bjf? | 16:51 |
| * smb really feels like sm today :) | 16:52 | |
| bjf | tgardner: "we" should be able to do that, yes | 16:52 |
| tgardner | bjf, how is the alternate kernel selected? do you just replace the Lucid kernel? | 16:52 |
| bjf | tgardner: yes | 16:52 |
| bjf | tgardner: desktop is what i've been doing, not sure about server | 16:53 |
| tgardner | bjf, smb: maybe we should get them to try the Maverick daily first in order to make sire its going to be a solution | 16:53 |
| tgardner | sure* | 16:53 |
| smb | tgardner, There is a comment about Maverick a2 or 3 working | 16:53 |
| tgardner | smb, ok. then they are going to have to wait until we have a Lucid point release with the Maverick kernel as an option | 16:54 |
| * tgardner goes to snatch some breakfast | 16:55 | |
| smb | Yeah, someone mentioned 9.10 drivers from the vendor. Have not followed that but could be an option too if they have something newer | 16:55 |
| smb | hm probably not. looks a bit hackish | 16:57 |
| tgardner | smb, it also won't solve their install problem, will it? | 16:58 |
| JFo | ogasawara, spam complete | 16:59 |
| JFo | smb :) | 16:59 |
| ogasawara | JFo: awesome, thanks. I'll mark it off the blueprint. | 16:59 |
| JFo | k, thank you :) | 16:59 |
| smb | tgardner, Only very sort of. Basically I think thy provide initrd and kernel plus modules for KArmic | 16:59 |
| ogasawara | ## | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | ## Kernel team meeting in one hour in #ubuntu-meeting | 17:01 |
| ogasawara | ## | 17:01 |
| smb | tgardner, The difference between maverick and lucid is just a mere 1100 lines. If we get the right person the right hw we can sru it by rule #5 :-P | 17:03 |
| pgraner | smb, I don't have any hw for that | 17:09 |
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| smb | pgraner, ack, yeah its probably rather high end server stuff | 17:10 |
| pgraner | smb, yea I'm more low rent lol | 17:11 |
| smb | heh | 17:11 |
| apw | smb, i wonder if they could make a USB stick with the updated kernel | 17:12 |
| smb | apw, Well if the installation offers the maverick lts backport they should be fine | 17:13 |
| apw | well ... no as they can't see the disk to install it ... right ? | 17:13 |
| smb | Right, would require that kernel to be there for install... :/ | 17:13 |
| tgardner | apw, thats an interesting point | 17:14 |
| apw | they'd need an image with that kernel actually on it, as a boot option | 17:14 |
| tgardner | we'll have to ask cjwatson if thats an option on the alternate installer | 17:14 |
| apw | might be on the DVD images for instance | 17:15 |
| ogasawara | cnd: you've got a generic work item to "Work with Rafi and Stephane to import any post 2.6.35 multitouch driver code" is that still ongoing or can I mark it done? | 17:16 |
| smb | apw, The only other solution would be some sort of override mechanism to pull in certain lbm packages from the cd or dvd. But I guess thats even more not implemented | 17:21 |
| apw | presumably they could make a USB stick on another machine, and chroot into it, and install the updated kernel | 17:22 |
| apw | so perhaps its a 'write a proceedure for it' problem ? | 17:22 |
| apw | smb ^^ | 17:24 |
| smb | apw, Hm its probably the same or similar to making some of our test cds. | 17:25 |
| JFo | odd that the alternate CD worked but not the regular | 17:32 |
| JFo | well, it may not be that odd | 17:32 |
| JFo | hmm | 17:32 |
| jjohansen | ogasawara: I've updated my work items let me know if I missed anything | 17:32 |
| ogasawara | jjohansen: will do, thanks | 17:33 |
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| ogasawara | ## | 17:55 |
| ogasawara | ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting | 17:55 |
| ogasawara | ## | 17:55 |
| cnd | ogasawara, you can mark it done | 18:01 |
| ogasawara | cnd: yep, thanks | 18:01 |
| cnd | that work item became utouch :) | 18:01 |
| cnd | its spawned way too many other work items... | 18:01 |
| * tgardner lunches | 19:30 | |
| * jjohansen -> lunch | 20:14 | |
| * smb -> out | 20:15 | |
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| bjf | ogasawara: thanks for handling the meeting, 15 minutes, nice! | 20:59 |
| ogasawara | bjf: np, was short and sweet today. | 21:00 |
| ogasawara | bjf: I sent you the mootbot bits, not sure if you really needed it or not | 21:00 |
| bjf | ogasawara: thanks, don't use them but thanks anyways | 21:00 |
| * ogasawara lunch | 21:22 | |
| === bjf changed the topic of #ubuntu-kernel to: Home: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/ || Maverick Kernel Version: 2.6.35 || Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - August-24 - 17:00 UTC || If you have a question just ask, and do wait around for an answer! | ||
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| jj-afk | back on in a bit | 23:11 |
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