[00:07] I think I should now call it a day. [00:08] I could sit and read the entire manual and would probably still find the odd error. I just don't have time/ [00:10] ChrisWoollard: I hear ya. Thanks for your help. [00:10] I'm running it through spell-check now and fixing a few final spelling errors that I find. [00:10] ok. [00:10] Unless someone finds other bugs, I'll probably release it when I'm finished with spell-check. [00:10] I look forware to having a look at the finished article in the morning :) [00:11] :) [00:12] ok. I have a couple of comma splices i have found [00:12] grep is a wonderful tool [00:12] yeah, it is nice. [00:13] I wrote a python script a while back to find common errors. [00:13] It comes in handy. [00:14] I think i will leave the one in the license. [00:14] Yeah, we're not allowed to fix bugs in the license text. [00:14] I've tried before. [00:14] Lawyers complained. :) [00:14] Oh dear. XD [00:14] i have a couple of others though === aprilg1 is now known as aprilg [00:23] I have now fixed all the comma splices. :) [00:23] I'm going a little nutty from scrolling through the manual. :| [00:24] I read it in random chunks, but I figure I've read it the equivalent of twice. [00:26] ChrisWoollard: you're going nuts on those comma splices! nice job! :) [00:26] grep is wonderful :P [00:26] There should, hopefully, be none left. [00:27] You're just checking for 'however'? [00:27] yes [00:28] * ChrisWoollard checks to see if his name is in the editors credits :) [00:28] Make sure it's spelled correctly, too. ;-) [00:30] It is :P [00:32] Anyway. Bed time. Have fun. [00:32] don't work too hard [00:33] see ya! [00:33] see ya ChrisWoollard [00:33] I found a bug, the ss tag of the Empathy account setup screenshot is "ss:e-mpaty-new-account-local". [00:34] Muscovy: I just fixed that one. [00:34] After you have released. Are you going to sort of the maverick branch? [00:34] Oh good. :D [00:34] good catch, though. [00:34] I turned on spellcheck and I'm scanning the pages. [00:36] What do you use for spell check? [00:36] Just gedit in this case. [00:36] Does Vi have a spellcheck :) [00:36] I'm running through aspell. [00:37] ChrisWoollard: Sure. :set spell [00:37] Hmmm, Yummy [00:37] That is cool. [00:38] Anyway I will stop playing now. Laters everybody. [00:38] See ya. [00:38] Question, are we capitalizing "internet"? [00:39] MootBot: Yep. [00:39] I just fixed all the lowercase internets. [00:40] I still don't know what the proper spelling/form is for 'MeMenu' or 'Me Menu' or 'Me menu' or whatever. [00:40] On the wiki page for it, it's spelled different ways. [00:40] I think it's CamelCase. [00:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu [00:41] Hmm, the main site uses "Me Menu", and that's the main name on the wiki. [00:44] yeah, I don't know that there's a canonical spelling. [00:44] Just another quick thought. Can you do a search for occurences of "apps" and change it to applications. [00:45] :) [00:49] For Maverick, I'd like to see the mix of applications/programs removed. I filed a bug a while ago, but I thought it was too opinionated to just do. [00:50] ChrisWoollard: I don't see any occurrences of 'apps'. [00:50] Muscovy: We'll look at it for Maverick. I think it's too pervasive of a change to make for lucid-e2 at this stage. [00:52] okay, I've finished running the .tex files through aspell. [00:52] It looks like we're consistently using MeMenu at the moment, so I'll leave that as is. [01:01] godbyk: Goodness, a bit of a change to make NOW. XD [01:01] What change? [01:02] Applications/Programs usage. [01:02] oh, right. [01:02] yeah, that's why we'll hold off. :) [01:02] Fresh PDFs up at http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/screen.pdf and http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/print.pdf [01:03] If you don't notice any problems with them, I'll start uploading them to the website and lulu.com [01:07] Does anyone else want to take a look at the manual before I upload it to lulu.com and our site? [01:08] I'm taking a quick look. [01:08] Muscovy: Okay, cool. Just give me a holler when you're finished (or if you have questions, etc.) [01:11] I'm done, nothing seems blazoning wrong, godbyk. :D [01:12] okay. [01:12] I'll upload it to the site then. [01:12] Hey, daker. [01:12] Just in time for the fireworks. :) [01:20] You're probably still working on the site stuff, but the main download button links to e1. [01:20] yeah, I was just looking at that. [01:20] I'll probably have daker fix it when he gets a moment. [01:22] I guess you just have perms for the pdf directory? [01:23] I have permissions for all of it. But I don't want to edit the button and break it for anyone trying to download the Greek or German version of e1. [01:23] Ah. [01:23] I haven't looked through the php code entirely yet to know what effect it'd have. [01:36] Okay, lulu.com copy is up: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/getting-started-with-ubuntu-1004---second-edition/12284706 [01:42] The Lulu book is a really good idea. I bet it would cost twice as much in paper and ink to print at home. [01:47] having a nice bound copy is cool, I think. [02:37] Hey, daker. Did you get my email? [02:38] oki [05:08] godbyk ping [05:08] humphrey [05:08] hey [05:08] you busy? [05:08] humphreybc: pong [05:09] hey humphreybc [05:09] android keyboard still giving you grief I see :P [05:09] Gimme about 15 minutes to finish this tv show, then I'll be free. :-) [05:09] Yeah. [05:10] Your nick wasn't in the dictionary, apparently. [05:10] ok [05:27] humphreybc: okay, I'm back now. what's up? [05:34] humphreybc: ping [06:01] hi [06:01] sorry [06:01] went to the supermarket [06:01] what's happening with e2? [06:01] It's out. [06:02] I should announce it on the planet then? [06:02] Oh, the front page link still doesn't link to e2. :| [06:02] I'd probably wait until daker updates the page. [06:03] humphreybc: no, don't announce it yet. [06:03] ok [06:03] we have to wait for daker to update the website. [06:04] the print/lulu link is okay, but our site has to be updated still. [06:04] sure [06:07] e2 is now giving 404s from the downloads page. [06:11] yep [06:12] Until daker gets the site updated, you won't be able to download it from there. [06:12] He's asleep now. He'll resume working on it when he wakes up, I think. [06:22] cool [06:24] This must be a proud moment for you, Ben. [06:25] humphreybc: OT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU2dZz18P0c [06:26] Muscovy: ? [06:26] humphreybc: Wonder how NZ and the US compares. [06:26] godbyk: Good thing I'm not an Australian. [06:27] What up guys [06:27] "And 60% of Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth" [06:27] Hey, zkriesse. Not much. [06:28] humphreybc: lol. wouldn't surprise me in the least. [06:28] oh hai godbyk [06:28] zkriesse: I see how it is: I'm just an afterthought. Thanks! [06:28] lol [06:29] * zkriesse sees godbyk and runs to him, gives him a manly hug and a beer [06:29] There, is that better? [06:29] lol [06:30] Much, thanks! [06:30] :) [06:36] okay, gotta go to a lab now [06:36] be back alter [06:36] later, even [06:36] 'kay. [06:36] I'm going back to tv. :) [06:44] godbyk: How is it going [06:50] ChrisWoollard: manual released. Waiting for daker to eagle up and fix the website though. [07:56] good morning! [08:13] godbyk: sadly it's java, but it could be a head-start for USLC: http://enterprise.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Features [08:26] godbyk: What happened to our release? [08:27] ChrisWoollard: manual released. Waiting for daker to wake up and fix the website though. [08:27] thorwil: cool [08:28] Is it available on lulu yet? [08:30] Yeah. [09:45] godbyk: How come the version on lulu has 2 coverpages? [09:45] The first is a half title page. [09:46] why does it need it? [09:46] I expected the first page to be the nice colour one [09:47] It doesn't *need* it per se. [09:47] In the printed version, there is no color. [09:48] So, the one that Lulu has is a different version to the one that will down from ubuntu-manual.org? [09:48] is the cover of the printed one not colour? [09:48] Yes. There's a print version and an on-screen version. [09:49] The cover is in color. [09:49] But the interior is not. [09:49] Ok. I have ordered my print one. So i will see then [09:52] Cool [09:54] When is Dakar likely to update the website? [09:54] No pressure of anything :) [09:57] No clue. [09:57] ChrisWoollard: i'd love to have a few sharp photos of the printed manual [09:58] thorwil: you could always order a copy. :-) [09:59] It is really cheap [09:59] Less than $10. [09:59] even with shipping? [09:59] It isn't too bad [10:00] Try the FREESHIP code. [10:00] I payed about £4 for shipping [10:00] Great. Thanks for that :( [10:00] lol. [10:00] still a bit much for what would be dead weight after taking the photos [10:01] I am sure some photos can be arranged, whenever it turns up. [10:03] cool [11:08] godbyk, ping [11:12] godbyk-android2, ping [11:14] OI ANYONE WANT TO COME TO MY MEMBERSHIP MEETING GET IN #ubuntu-meeting [11:14] o/ [11:15] hey dakar [11:19] daker: ?? [11:20] sorry [11:20] hehe [11:20] what i can say ? [11:20] daker: say what you think about my contributions to the manual team [11:20] and anything else you think is appropriate [11:27] Did you author poarts of the manual? [11:29] ChrisWoollard: yea, the command line chapter and the glossary and index [11:30] also i am the lead of the Dev manual [11:30] Try, I am a member or that team [11:30] yea [11:40] If we would have know about your meeting. I could have helped more. [11:41] ChrisWoollard: yea, well i got home and found the email announcing the meeting had been sent out about an hour ago [11:41] Doh. [11:41] so i got no more notice than you guys [11:41] :s [11:42] i was hoping humphreybc and godbyk would be around [11:42] i'm around [11:42] for a bit [11:42] At least now we know now, so we can write some testimonials. [11:42] plus there were 4 others who i do contributions with that could have been there [11:42] humphreybc: just had my membership meeting lol [11:42] forgot to ping you [11:43] oh right [11:43] got 2 votes even though it went badly [11:43] humphreybc: the email announcing it got sent to me about 40 minutes before it started [11:43] oh right [11:43] so i got home saw it and was like "SHIT!" [11:44] At some point, I want to got for membership also. If you feel like writing anything nice in advance. Feel free ;) [11:45] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cwoollard [11:45] Nissh: I will write something for you [11:45] ChrisWoollard: yea, i will, although like you, i dont know alot about your contributions :) [11:45] ChrisWoollard: cool [11:46] Bug fixing / editting the manual. Trying to sell Ubuntu to anybody and everybody! [11:46] yea [11:46] hehe [11:53] ChrisWoollard: there we go, your first testimonial :) [12:09] nisshh: just came back. 2 votes? does that mean a Yes or a NO in the end? [12:10] thorwil: have to get 3 only got 2, but the meeting was called about an hour before it happened, and then i got home about 10 minutes before it starte :) [12:10] oh well [12:11] yea [12:11] but theres always next meeting [12:11] i should be more organised then too [12:12] yeah, just wanted to say: you should know how to make it, next time, now, at least [12:12] yea [12:27] nisshh: I have written something nice about you. [12:31] ChrisWoollard: cool, thanks :) [12:31] Np [13:32] daker: Have you made e2 live on the website yet? [13:33] ChrisWoollard, well godbyk is not here [13:33] and i don't know what to do [13:33] ok [13:33] the synchronisation script is not working [13:34] wasnt e2 supposed to go live yesterday? [13:34] it is on lulu.com [13:34] * nisshh shurgs [13:34] it is tuesday everywhere now, so we're officially late :) [13:34] hmm [13:34] shrugs* [13:34] i have bought mine already [13:34] yea [13:34] !ping [13:34] pong [13:34] yes it's late [13:35] Apparently they only think that is outstanding is the ubuntu-manual website [13:35] yea === Zeike is now known as brandonj [15:17] godbyk, ping === daker_ is now known as daker [17:26] godbyk, ping === sonicbadger is now known as ChrisWoollard [19:15] daker: pong [19:15] godbyk, is the autosync working ? [19:15] daker: It should be. I've seen no error reports on it today. [19:16] daker: It says it's at rev 104 right now. [19:16] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/104 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 104 [19:16] running bzr pull manually... [19:16] done. nothing new. [19:16] godbyk, oki [19:21] godbyk, pull then sync pls [19:21] done [19:39] It's nice that you are both here together now :) [19:40] heh [19:45] evening all [19:45] hey, jenkins [19:46] hows godbyk? [19:46] jenkins: daker's on it. he's fixed the download page, but still has to work on the front-page download button. [19:47] sorry whats broken/wrong/in progress? [19:47] * jenkins has been at work all day [19:47] ah, the website links to e2 [19:48] i see makes sense [19:49] When you have finished, does anybody feel like filling in my testimonials page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cwoollard [19:49] ;) [19:51] and me too [19:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdnaneBelmadiaf [19:51] * godbyk doesn't want to be left out! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KevinGodby [19:51] :) [19:52] I'll work on everyone else's later this evening. [19:52] * jenkins needs to sort his page out before the testimonials can be added [19:52] I have to go do some paid work first. [19:52] (Unless someone wants to pay me for a testimonial... ;-)) [19:53] 0,001$ per word [19:53] :D [19:56] I have taken note of all those links and will write something nice for all of you. [19:56] daker: It won't be a very nice testimonial. ;-) [19:57] ooh ooh ooh: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/dutchie [19:57] Is that another one? [20:17] brb [20:22] I was amazed they use the gimp at work [20:41] * jenkins has to get a clean lithian and do a few other bits before quickshot will have a proper debian rules file [20:56] hmm quickshot needs a man page [20:56] \o/ another format to learn# [21:03] lol dutchie [21:03] hmm , #ubuntu-testimonials!!!! [21:03] any one do xml? do i put #!/usr/bin/xml at the start of a file [21:04] uhh [21:04] sweet :) what about for .png 's how do i do those ? [21:05] it sounds a silly question but the lithian is moaning about them and that is a fix for it apparently [21:06] no #! line in xml.. [21:06] thanks brandonj I jsut got an error and was about to ask [21:07] that is only for scripts that need an interpretor. no such thing as /usr/bin/xml ;) [21:09] any ideas for .ui files? [21:10] no worries they are xml [21:31] congrats for the second edition guys :D keep up the good job ! [21:39] flan_: ping [21:39] c7p: is it out [21:39] jenkins, yes [21:39] o nice well done every one [21:39] i checked the logs and the site, and yes it is [21:40] I did not see an e-mail, how do i tell its the second eidtion on the website? there is no name on the title page [21:41] is the site ment to appear different in anyway? [21:41] i think godbyk is waiting for me to get everything done before he send the e-mail [21:41] k [21:42] jenkins, http://ubuntu-manual.org/download/10.04e2/en_US/screen [21:43] cu guys [21:43] I see but the site its self does not give that yet for me I assume that is right? [21:43] the next meeting is on 23 or 22 of this month ? [21:43] pass [21:43] I have no clue [21:45] 22nd at 2000UTC [21:45] jenkins, we are still running the old site [21:46] thanks c7p [21:46] cu then I hope you don't forget send the mail to ML [21:46] daker: thats ok then just wanted to make sure you knew :) [21:47] make sure the second edition appears on the list [21:47] http://ubuntu-manual.org/downloads [21:49] it does indeed [21:49] so it's oki [21:50] it is now it was not 5 mins ago [21:50] oki [21:51] jenkins, pong. [21:51] hey flan_ did you see thorwills redo of one of his icons? [21:51] Probably not. [21:52] The only time I can be online is while I'm at work. :( [21:52] http://www.foopics.com/showfull/4a0a3d709163b46dd879aee55ddd5f1b [21:52] (So I don't go through chat-history) [21:52] Ooh. [21:52] I like that. [21:52] I think we need to make each desktop a differnt colour [21:52] so do i! [21:53] i does look a bit small at icon size [21:53] also flan I am getting there on the debian rules file [21:54] I'll be spending much of my free time this weekend playing catch-up on server functionality. [21:55] But I might be able to help next weekend, fi you'd like. [21:55] If you're not already done. [21:55] And you probably will be. [21:55] I' [21:55] I made the mistake of doing 10 days work with out a commit http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot/revision/258 its a bit long. no help will be god. I am at work in the day now so have less time and need to learn loads of new stuff [21:55] *good [21:55] I would like to learn not you do it all :) [21:55] I'll try to get the actual upload stuff working this weekend, then think about how to display it, since my notes got lost in the move. [21:56] I wouldn't try to do it all. :( [21:56] also I was thinking of a python file that handled all the releasing of quickshot etc any thoughts? [21:56] ...Though I do tend to work in isolation quite a bit. [21:57] What would it do? [21:57] jenkins, we should learn how to do local commit when we are offligne [21:57] I welcome the help, I would like to learn the how to my self as well. [21:57] daker: not sure you can with bzr [21:57] Local commits are good. [21:57] Yep. It's exactly the same as a remote commit. [21:57] Only you omit the push. [21:58] flan_: well run one command and it releases the ubuntu version, rather than all the ones atm [21:58] You mean a build-script? [21:58] eventually i would like to put all the distro release commands in there so that we don't need to remeber them all [21:58] Once we hit 1.0, we probably won't be maintaining the code very much beyond bugfixing and the occasional feature. [21:59] We probably won't be publishing new builds all thatf requently. [22:00] good point . I was thinking of a plugin feture, I have no clue how to do it it would be a 2.0 so that projects could add functions at stages to do custom things [22:02] When is the maverick branch going to get sorted? [22:04] ChrisWoollard basically copy the files from lucid0e2 in and your away [22:04] define "sorted" [22:04] (what jenkins said) [22:04] thats my thoughts on how to start it [22:06] I need to go to bed I have to be up at 6.15am to get to work in time to start crane training. silly commute night all [22:06] I was just wondering when that is supposed to be happening. [22:06] crane training? [22:06] goodnight jenkins [22:06] what are they letting jenkins do? [22:07] taht sounds cool. [22:07] * dutchie runs for the hills [22:07] I will do now ChrisWoollard if you like [22:07] I am working on gas engines and they said it would be cool to do the training [22:07] If you want to / have time [22:08] o hang on godbyk what of the make files etc need copying? all of it? [22:08] there isn't that much time until maverick. [22:11] dutchie: do I copy the po files? [22:11] er [22:11] yes [22:11] good thats what i did [22:11] title pages any idea [22:12] * jenkins goes for yes [22:16] ok I am pushing the changes on mavrick brb going to make tomorrows luch [22:20] r765 pushed [22:21] I am not sure why I am doing this training it will be very rare if i need it. my boos said to do it [22:21] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/maverick/revision/765 you can blame me if it is wrong :) see you all tomorrow [22:51] i want that background [22:51] Ooopppps, wrong window [22:52] \o/ [22:52] :)