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nisshhejat: havent missed the meeting have i?10:59
nisshhejat: i have?11:00
persiaDepends on the meeting.  There's one starting about now, but it may not be that which you seek.11:01
nisshhpersia: membership meeting?11:01
Vantrax_re my email connected on my phone atm - net down11:01
persianisshh, Yes.11:02
Vantrax_persia can you run the meeting?11:02
nisshhwas lucky, i only got home about 20 minutes ago11:02
persiaVantrax_, Sure.11:02
nisshhhopefully there are enough council members here this time :)11:03
elkyand I make quorum. Can we try do this quickly please, I need to be at a bus stop soonish or I'll be waiting quite some itme.11:03
persialifeless, freeflying takdir: also here?11:04
freeflyingpersia: yes11:04
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persia[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania11:04
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elkyooh, we have quorum + 1?11:04
elky(is it 4 or 5?)11:05
* persia doesn't see prabhash11:05
Vantrax_fyi I just msged persia with my votes. really hard to follow this on a smartphone11:05
elkywers isn't here either by the looks11:05
persiaelky, I think 4, but 5 is better :)11:05
Vantrax_4 is req11:06
persiaThat makes it easy then :)11:06
elkypersia, nisshh is our only here atm11:06
nisshhdunno where the other guy is11:06
persia[TOPIC] Membership application for Ryan Macnish11:06
MootBotNew Topic:  Membership application for Ryan Macnish11:06
persia[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanMacnish11:06
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanMacnish11:06
* Vantrax_ will follow along as best he can11:06
persianisshh, Could you introduce yourself?11:06
nisshhmy name is Ryan Macnish, iv been using ubuntu for 2 years now11:07
nisshhdid you want more or is that ok?11:08
elkyUh. Is there nothing else?11:08
nisshhoh ok11:08
elkynisshh, you're supposed to convince us why you deserve membership with your introduction.11:08
nisshhwell, as for stuff iv been doing11:08
nisshhoh right11:08
nisshhim very active with the Ubuntu Manual team11:09
Vantrax_sumary of cont is normal11:09
nisshhwrote a portion of the original manual11:09
nisshhi lead development of the developers manual11:10
lifelesspersia: hi11:10
nisshhi have contributed to Quickly and Quickly-widgetas11:10
nisshhi have my own app11:10
nisshhcalled Pytask11:10
nisshhall the obove is on my wiki page BTW11:10
nisshhand recently i joined the bugsquad and have been dabbling in triaging :)11:11
nisshhi also hang out on IRC alot of the time11:12
nisshhand have plans for far more contributions next year11:12
nisshhid say thats about it11:12
nisshhfor now anyway :)11:12
elkywhile we're thinking of questions, is there anyone here to cheer you on?11:13
nisshhelky: well there was supposed to be, hang on11:13
nisshhsome of them will be here shortly11:14
nisshhgorilla: thanks for coming11:14
* gorilla was dragged here..11:15
elkyWhat do you folks have to say about nisshh's contributions?11:15
nisshhBlank__: daker say hi11:15
nisshhdarkrose: ^^^11:16
nisshhChrisWoollard: ^^^11:16
Vantrax_I think I remember humpherybc gave you a testimonial... rather glowing11:16
Vantrax_bah phone call brb11:17
nisshhso did another from the manual team11:17
nisshhdaker: can you say something about my contributions, for the council please?11:18
nisshhpersia: sorry, about the delay, daker wandered off11:21
nisshhChrisWoollard: hey, can you support me while i go for membership?11:22
persiaWell, let's move on, before the council wanders off :)11:22
ChrisWoollardYes, I can support you11:22
nisshhpersia: yea ok11:22
nisshhpersia: i guess questions from the council are next?11:22
gorillaHi All, I'd support nisshh's further involvement in ubuntu.11:23
persianisshh, So, I'm having a bit of trouble finding your work with bugsquad or code (aside from 2 bugs and helpful textual updates for quickly).  Do you have any links that could help me?11:23
elkyChrisWoollard, what can you say for nisshh's contributions?11:23
nisshhpersia: not really, i have only done a few bugs so far, but my mentor kermiac11:23
Blank__and i'd second gorilla's statement11:23
nisshhhe isnt around atm though11:24
ChrisWoollardNissh is a key member of the ubuntu manual project.11:24
elkyFolks, we need you to say "this is what i've seen nisshh do" rather than "yes, i know nisshh".11:24
nisshhpersia: due to this being called at short notice, alot of people who were supporting me arent around atm11:24
ChrisWoollardHe takes part in meetings. Helps with bugs.11:25
ChrisWoollardHe is always aroun on  irc and helps anybody that has issues.11:25
gorillanisshh also help with queries on #ubuntu-au.11:25
nisshhChrisWoollard: what about my work on the manual?11:26
Blank__unfortunately i'm not really aware of nisshh's work :(11:26
persiaelky, lifeless, ejat, freeflying, Vantrax_: more questions?11:26
ChrisWoollardHe is part of the core team of the ubuntu-manual project.11:26
nisshhpersia: most people here atm are from my loco, so they dont know about some of the stuff i do11:27
ejatnisshh: beside ubuntu manual project .. did u involve in loco activity?11:27
nisshhonly daker and ChrisWoollard are from the manual team11:27
ejatphysically or virtually ... ?11:28
nisshhejat: yes, although more recently, and mostly virtually, because im one of the few who is regionally based11:28
Vantrax_loco in this country kinda sucks, best bet is usually lugs11:28
nisshhejat: most of the guys in the loco are east coast aussies, im west coast11:29
freeflyingno for me11:29
Vantrax_that being said I have seen nisshh active in the ubuntu-au chan11:30
ejatanything that u have done in west coast ? meetup/party/jam or etc. ?11:30
ChrisWoollardNissh authored the command line chapter of the manual. He also has responsibility for the glossary and index.11:31
nisshhejat: nothing physical, as far as i know, im the only active loco member over here11:31
ejatnisshh: ic ..11:31
Vantrax_nisshh probably true, I would look into lugs and LCA11:31
ChrisWoollardAs well as that is a Lead on the Ubuntu Dev Manual.11:31
nisshhejat: and there are no tech events/linux confs over here as well11:32
nisshhVantrax_: iv contacted the Perth LUG it is dead as far as i can tell11:32
Vantrax_how unfortunate11:32
Vantrax_I'm good to vote11:33
persiaRight then:11:33
elkylets vote11:33
persia[VOTE] Approve Ryan Macnish as an Ubuntu Member11:33
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ChrisWoollardAm I allowed to vote for him?11:34
nisshhChrisWoollard: no, only council is11:34
lifelessChrisWoollard: council members only11:34
Vantrax_that is +0 life11:34
MootBotAbstention received from lifeless. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 211:34
persia-1 : This is a wonderful start, but I'd like to see more clearly documented work, or more testimonials (especially from current Ubuntu Members).11:34
MootBot-1 received from persia. 2 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 111:34
MootBotAbstention received from ejat. 2 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 111:34
elkySorry nisshh :(11:35
persiafreeflying, ?11:35
MootBotAbstention received from freeflying. 2 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 111:35
Vantrax_I would call that a come back again unless free votes yes11:35
MootBotFinal result is 2 for, 1 against. 3 abstained. Total: 111:35
nisshhpersia: there would have been more testimonials, if i had have had more notice for the meeting :)11:35
Vantrax_get some more testimonials11:35
elkynisshh, i told you last week...11:35
Vantrax_yeah my bad11:35
nisshhelky: you did, but i didnt realise, it was going to be at this time11:36
nisshhmy fault11:36
Vantrax_was in the calendar in fridge but I didn't update the page11:36
Vantrax_been a crazy week11:36
nisshhso i had to get 3 or 4 votes yea?11:36
elkynisshh, wiki pages just need a deadline. get started on collecting votes there now11:36
persianisshh, They happen every two weeks, at this time.  If you have links to stuff and testimonials in two weeks, I won't be unhappy to see you.  That said, take as long as you need to get it right.11:36
elkynisshh, 311:36
Vantrax_we will be again same time ina fortnight11:37
elkynisshh, also, next time have a nice intro pre-prepared like the wiki says to ;)11:37
nisshhpersia: yea, i would have had probably 3-4 UM's here11:37
nisshhhad i had more time11:37
ejatagreed with elky ;)11:37
ChrisWoollardI should probably go for this at some point also.11:37
nisshhelky: yea, i forgot about that, ill get that sorted11:37
elkynisshh, a wiki testimonial is just as good as people attending. really, i promise11:38
Vantrax_if you need help feel free to send me an email11:38
* persia prefers wiki testimonials, as they tend to be clearer, and the result of more thought11:38
nisshhVantrax_: thanks for the offer, i might get you to see what you reckon later this week11:38
* Vantrax_ agrees with persia11:38
nisshhpersia: yea11:38
Vantrax_np nisshh11:38
persiaOK then.  Anything else to cover, or are we done for this time?11:39
Vantrax_one thing11:39
Vantrax_time rotation for meetings11:39
persia[TOPIC] time rotation for meetings11:39
nisshhthanks for coming daker ChrisWoollard darkrose Blank__ gorilla and anyone else :)11:39
MootBotNew Topic:  time rotation for meetings11:39
Vantrax_making every second one an hour later to make it easier for asia11:40
persiaVantrax_, The main issue we had last time we discussed this was a lack of west-asians, who could fill for good times when the antipodeans were sleeping.11:40
elkyok, i'm off ciao11:40
persiaIf y'all want to stay up late, I'm sure we'd get more applicants :)11:40
persiaelky, Good night.11:41
ejatVantrax_: u mean minus 1 1/2 hour from 10 UTC ?11:41
ejatelky: nite ..11:41
nigelbpersia: I agree. Most of you folks seem to be much easter than rest of asia ;)11:41
nigelbmore east rather11:41
persiamore easterly11:41
Vantrax_it would be one hour later so 11 utc11:41
nigelbThe meetings end up falling during working hours or commuting hours.11:42
gorillanigelb: ahh.11:42
persia11 UTC is still only 16:30 IST, which means folks are still at work11:42
Vantrax_I'm east coast aus so if 8 can stay up you all can:P11:42
nigelbworking hours => fine.  Commuting hours => Not so much.11:42
Vantrax_so if it was 12 utc?11:42
persiaAnd some folks are in UTC+12 just now11:42
nigelbIts a tough call to make though.11:43
nigelbAny hour will have its own oppositions.11:43
persia(UTC+13 come summer)11:43
Vantrax_yeah those poor kiwis11:43
ejat12 UTC = 8pm in MY11:43
lifelessits 11pm now11:43
nigelbMove it up then?11:43
lifelessI can continue to make 10pm meetings11:43
lifelessI can't make 11pm ones.11:43
persiaBest would be to have one about 9 UTC, and another at around 13 UTC, but that requires a balance of council members who can be awake then11:43
lifelessbecause I have early meetings too.11:43
lifelessdon't block on me though11:44
persialifeless, Do your other meetings move in the summer, or can you just not make these then?11:44
lifelessjust be aware i can't contribute to later times.11:44
Vantrax_yes, maybe even boosting the council numbers to have coverage11:44
lifelesspersia: I'll tell you in summer - new team, new meetings11:44
persialifeless, fair :)11:44
lifelesspersia: with folk in new hemispheres ;)11:44
nigelblifeless: I thought there were only 2...11:45
lifelessnigelb: I got a new job role about 2 months back11:45
ejat9 and 13 should be ok with me ..11:45
nigelblifeless: ah, architect.11:45
lifelessnigelb: All my meetings were southern hemisphere before11:45
Vantrax_ill talk to CC and get some sort of idea on options and report back next meeting11:45
lifelessnigelb: yes11:45
nigelbI'm +1 on what persia said.11:45
nigelbbut then the council needs to ensure quorum.11:46
persiaVantrax_, We called for that before, but got too few nominations.  Perhaps you'd like to make another call?  My memory is that the CC authorised us to have 9 members, ideally with 3 around UTC+3, 3 around UTC+8 and three around UTC+1011:46
* persia can probably dig up meeting transcripts if needed11:46
Vantrax_good idea persia, can you send me an email so I have the info not on my phone:p11:46
Vantrax_can't cut and paste well11:47
ejatill go for +10 and above ..11:47
persiaErr, probably.  If it doesn't work, poke me later.11:47
* nigelb hugs Vantrax_.11:47
nigelbI've been there.11:47
Vantrax_thanks, just need too have the info on my pc so I can talk to pleia tomorrow11:48
freeflyingpersia: Vantrax_ I got a candidate for UTC+811:48
Vantrax_if we get a go from cc then we can look at that.11:48
persiafreeflying, Send a nomination to the list.  My memory is that our procedure is to collect the nominations and present them to the CC for selection.11:48
Vantrax_yes, if we can go ahead with it11:49
freeflyingpersia: make sense, will send it late11:49
lifelessgnight - we seem well done11:49
ejatnite lifeless11:50
Vantrax_night all11:50
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ejatbrb ...11:51
sladenas it CC now, if did I just have an off-by-one?12:00
dholbachsladen, it's time, but Mark and Alan have been dragged into other meetings and I couldn't contact anyone else12:01
dholbachhe only agenda item I can see is yours, which is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/60596912:01
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/605969)12:01
sladenubottu: fail12:01
dholbachsladen, I could contact Canonical HR about their plans with the page and find out who was responsible for posting other jobs on it - what do you think about that?12:02
dholbachI'd add the information to the bug report as soon as I get it12:02
sladendholbach: could do12:02
dholbachok, super - because right now I don't know what the plan is and what was decided at which stage12:02
dholbachI'll add it to my TODO12:03
sladendholbach: let me post what I'd prepared12:03
sladenOverview: 1. Content advertised as being cross-vendor, and held up as example of how to help build sustainable 2. Content moved to new URL (indifferient) 3. Redirect not added (oversight) 4. Redirect added to single vendor's version of similiar content (usurping), in contrast to earlier cross-vendor argument (sub-optimal)12:03
sladenI'm generally able to reel off a supportative argument---but I haven't been able to formulate one in this case, so perhaps it's something to raise here.12:03
sladenso that it makes it into the logs12:03
* dholbach nods12:03
dholbachalright, I'll let you know what I find out - is there anything else anybody wants to raise here?12:05
sabdflhello all12:05
dholbachhey sabdfl12:05
persiaDid a week get missed?  Should the A/O RMB meeting be rescheduled to again not coincide?12:05
sabdflnice to have you back, daniel12:06
sladendholbach: The logical solution might be to leave the redirect pointing at the content that it used to redirect to;  and then put a specific link at the top noting specifically Canonical jobs can be found --> over there12:06
dholbachsladen raised 605969 and I was going to raise it with HR to find out what the decision was and what the plan is going to be12:06
dholbachpersia, no, it's always 1st and 3rd tue12:06
sabdflubuntu.com/employment should be open to jobs unrelated to canonical, but relevant to ubuntu12:06
dholbachas https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-jobs/ is12:07
sabdfland it would be healthy for the project to encourage more companies to post jobs there12:07
persiadholbach, Ah, I see the confusion.  1st/3rd vs. every fortnight breaks twice a year.  Thanks for the clarification.12:07
sabdflubuntu-related Canonical jobs should be listed there too, not just with a link, but actually listed12:07
sabdfli think this was a glitch introduced as part of the website overhaul, understandable but still a mistake that we should address12:08
sladensabdfl: (a) so point it back at http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ ?   Or (b) open up  http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers  to other organisations12:08
sladen(b) seems illogical to me12:08
sabdflso, thanks for raising it sladen, it will get fixen12:08
sabdflwww.ubuntu.com/employment should list ubuntu-related canonical jobs, and be open to job postings from other companies related to ubuntu12:08
sabdflwe need a process for vetting, posting and removing those, dholbach, perhaps ask HR to handle that?12:09
dholbachI'll subscribe the CC to the bug and update it once I get more info from HR (it'd be nice to have some kind of process how to get something submitted and some kind of requirements for job postings there)12:09
* dholbach hugs sabdfl12:09
sabdflseparately, jobs not really related to Ubuntu from Canonical could get posted on canonical.com/jobs or the like12:09
sabdfldholbach: +112:09
dholbachrock on12:09
dholbachany other business?12:09
sabdflwe've talked for some time about having a horseman in Jono's team who thinks about corporate engagement with ubuntu, this could be part of that12:10
dholbachsabdfl, that sounds interesting - do you want me to start another thread with Jono about that?12:11
dholbachok, great12:11
sladenwider corporate engagement?12:12
sabdflhelping corporate developers participate in ubuntu where they have an interest in doing so, for example12:12
sabdflencouraging companies to shape the packaging of their products, cloudera->hadoop for example12:13
sabdflhelping them navigate the complex community - it really is complex for someone who shows up wanting to get something specific done12:13
sabdflhelping them understand the rules and the rationales for the rules12:13
sabdfllike freezes and cycles and dates and deadlines and stuff12:13
sabdflexplaining baroque conventions and hysterical raisins12:14
persiaAlso nice to highlight the many firms that already have a number of full-time developers focused primarily on Ubuntu more clearly.12:14
dholbachhaha, yes, that'd be hugely helpful12:14
dholbachok, do we have any other business?12:14
sladenall good, over and out, thank you12:15
czajkowskiwell I raised an issue on the role of the PoC on email to the CC recently, the LC really hasn't received an actual answer12:15
czajkowskiand it's something we would like to work on for the upcomming cycle12:15
dholbachczajkowski, what was the subject of the mail again? I'll star it and try to reply later on then12:15
* czajkowski hugs dholbach 12:15
dholbachok, found it12:16
czajkowskidholbach: clarification of the role of the PoC12:16
dholbachif that's everything, that's super - it means I can send out mails and then get lunch :)12:16
dholbachthanks a lot everybody12:16
czajkowskithanks folks12:16
sabdflpersia: indeed12:17
sabdflthanks all12:17
sabdfldholbach: i think that's a wrap12:17
dholbachyep - have a great rest of your day everybody12:17
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MootBotMeeting started at 08:02. The chair is persia.14:02
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GrueMasterperfect timing.14:03
persia[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/2010081714:03
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/2010081714:03
ogragrr, the wiki is slow14:03
persia[TOPIC] Action Item Review14:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Action Item Review14:04
persiaNCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)14:04
* ogra added a wiki item14:05
ograi guess thats another c/o14:05
persiaLooks that way.14:05
* ogra doubts NCommander has made it 14:05
persia[ACTION] NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)14:05
MootBotACTION received:  NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)14:05
ograpersia, the WI tracker link is wrong on the wiki (A3 vs beta)14:06
* persia edits14:06
ograshould we move on ?14:09
persiaUnless anyone else has wiki bits.14:10
persia[TOPIC] status trackers14:10
MootBotNew Topic:  status trackers14:10
persia[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html14:10
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persia[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html14:10
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html14:10
persia[LINK] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html14:10
MootBotLINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html14:10
ograbeta looks really bad14:11
GrueMasterMy items are waiting on others.  Can't test what doesn't exist.14:11
ograi added the last link so we take a short look each week at the open and assigned bugs14:11
ograGrueMaster, cant you test a dove install for the "unsupported hw" bit ?14:12
ograand i thought you did an upgrade on a beagle14:12
ogra(a buggy one)14:12
GrueMasterUpgrade on beagle fails because the current kernel doesn't support mtd.  I only made it work with some hacking.14:13
ograwhich imho closes the "Test upgrade path" item (indeed you need to do more testing than only once, but the item just says "test")14:13
ograso close that one14:13
GrueMasterDove was moved offline and is used primarily for build testing.14:14
rsalvetiGrueMaster: the just uploaded kernel it seems to be supporting mtd again14:14
GrueMasterok.  I'll "try" to add it to my todo list this week.  bear in mind that the hotel network is very slow.14:14
* rsalveti needs coffee14:14
ograGrueMaster, the WI doesnt depend on bugs though, close it, upgrade testing is in the works14:15
ogra(we'll nag you about it anyway :P )14:15
ograno need to have a workitem14:15
GrueMasterOk, one item (upgrade path) checked off.14:16
GrueMasterbased on beagle.14:16
ograindeed we want tests until the issue is fixed, but imho the workitem is fulfilled with that14:17
ogradyfet, how about your 4 items ?14:17
GrueMasterI plan on running upgrade tests at least weekly when possible.14:17
dyfetI am going to get together with mpointer later today on the i2c kernel issue,  yesterday I was also busy with kdebindings14:18
ograis there any chance you get that done for beta ? (including all the freeze exceptions you will need for it) ?14:19
ograyou are very behind on that14:19
dyfetI am going to try14:19
* ogra sees persia is still polishing springs :)14:20
ograpersia, will you get the lintian checker ready in time ?14:20
ogra(and what about liquid)14:21
persialast test run didn't complete successfully, but it's nearly ready to start getting published results.  Getting arbitrary developer access to the lab might or might not make beta, depending on sysadmin time to roll out somewhere accessible.14:21
ograwell, you couls just store it on people14:22
persialiquid has been blocked in my mind on something else, but that's taking way too long, and based on discussions with Ian, I'll try to push it sooner (although getting it right benefits from the prior block)14:22
persiaThe lab is ~80GB.  I don7t really want to put that on people :)14:23
persiaresults will certainly be posted there to start.14:23
ograwell, the machine has 160G free :)14:23
ograanyway, lets move14:24
persiaother space is reserved anyway ;)14:24
ograNCommander isnt here to report about the two remaining items he has14:24
persia[TOPIC] Kernet status14:24
MootBotNew Topic:  Kernet status14:24
persialag, Feel like going first?14:25
lag* Marvel (mvl-dove)14:25
lag   * MISC     : Brad helped to merge the Marvell Dove LSP 5.3.2 sync'ed branch into 'mvl-dove' - smoke tested OK14:25
lag * Freescale (fsl-imx51)14:25
lag   * FIXED    : B615722 missing a patch to switch low power mode only support in mc13892 2.0a14:25
lag * Texas Instruments (ti-omap)14:25
lag   * ON GOING : B591941 original author sent a patch to try - it does work but introduces another problem14:25
lag   * ON GOING : B608266 mtdblockXYZ are now mapped by the kernel and published in user space - mobile team to test14:26
lag   * ON GOING : B608279 the EDID is readily accessible from user space with i2c-tools - mobile team test and report14:26
lag   * ON GOING : B605488 more testing in progress - still no sign14:26
lag   * PATCH    : B588243 received a patch from linux-omap which fixed this issue - waiting for upstream review14:26
lag   * MISC     : Still waiting for TI OMAP4 (official) release - pre-release reviewed and comments provided to TI14:26
lagGrueMaster: Any news from Marvel?14:26
ografor bug 608279 we really only need one final test14:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 608279 in linux (Ubuntu) "i2c support for edid on armel" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60827914:26
GrueMasterUh, mike is at Marvel.14:27
lagGrueMaster: Do you know who's dealing with the bug which bricked the boards?14:27
ogralag, thats not marvel14:27
GrueMasterThat was Freescale.14:27
lagYes, that one14:27
lagAny news as yet?14:27
ogralag, and its cooloney14:27
lagThanks - I'll grab him when he's next on14:28
ogralag, should be fixed since a while, but i'm not sure its uploaded already14:28
lagDo we know what the issue was?14:28
ogralag, yes, missing patches from a BSP update apparently14:28
lagOkay, thanks14:29
ograanything else for kernel ?14:30
persiampoirier and cooloney seem absent, so we'll skip them14:30
ogralooks like the NAND issues were fixed14:30
ograby mpoirier14:30
persia[TOPIC] QA Status14:31
MootBotNew Topic:  QA Status14:31
GrueMasterNot much new to report.14:31
GrueMasteroem-config is still broken.14:31
rsalvetiGrueMaster: were you able to test the panda es2 kernel?14:31
GrueMasterHas been sincepost A3.14:31
persiaGrueMaster, How much do we care about the three bugs highlighted?14:31
ograshould we probably pull the buglist into the QA topic ?14:31
ograinstead of directly next to the workitem tracker stuff14:32
GrueMasterrsalveti: not yet.  I started an update on ES1 yesterday.  It is still going.14:32
persiaI think the buglist is more status than necessarily QA.14:32
ograhmm, k14:32
rsalvetiGrueMaster: ok14:32
ograit somewhat drowns in the workitem stuff14:32
persiaCould add a different buglist related to subscriptions or tags or something though.14:32
GrueMasterpersia: Those bugs were targeted for A3.  That's why they were listed.14:32
ograGrueMaster, i'm talking about the other buglist from above14:33
MootBotLINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html14:33
persiaogra, It does, but it also completely fails to highlight the bugs that are interesting, rather listing the ones assigned to some folk.14:33
ograwell, it showed me a good amount of bugs i had forgotten about14:33
ograrsalveti, thanks for taking the rootstock one ;)14:34
rsalvetiogra: :-)14:34
ograpersia, it also shows that we all need to assign 10% of our bugs to GrueMaster, he has not a single item on that list :P14:34
GrueMasterOk, I'm confused.  I thought persia was referring to the bugs targeted for Alpha 3 on the meeting wiki.14:35
GrueMasterHey!  I create them, not fix them.14:35
ograGrueMaster, no, these shouldnt have been copied ...14:35
persiaGrueMaster, I was referring to those in my query to you.  I was referring to the link ogra posted in my critique of the buglist.14:35
persiaFor the QA status, I'&d much prefer to see a list of GrueMaster's favorite bugs in need of squashing.14:36
ograbtw, looking at that list, is the beagle still showing OOMs for ureadahead ?14:36
ograpersia, agreed, we should have the above list under "Bug Status" or some such14:36
GrueMasterNot sure, let me check.14:36
GrueMasteryes, it is.14:37
ograhmm, k14:37
GrueMasterWith today's image.14:37
ograi dont get any on the panda14:37
persiaogra, Letting it get lost in workitems works for me.  I think it represents a useless subset of the bugs that are interesting, and fails to include a significant number of interesting bugs.14:37
ograpersia, its a generic team status14:38
ograspecific bugs should go under QA indeed14:38
ograbut the list helps seeing whats rotting around on LP14:38
rsalvetiogasawara: yep, I'm working on the ureadahead issue14:38
rsalvetiogra: ^14:38
rsalvetiwas testing with the bootchart with different tracing memory values14:39
GrueMasterUnfortunately it doesn't list unassigned bugs.14:39
rsalvetibut doesn't change a thing, so will just disable it for systems with less than 512 mb14:39
ograGrueMaster, feel free to provide such a list in the QA section ;)14:39
rsalveticonsumes 128mb for the first time, and every time you update something at /etc/init14:40
rsalvetibut only while generating the pack file14:40
ograthats really crackful14:40
ograit should fail gracefully if it detects to less ram14:40
ograthough i guess Keybuk never tested on low spec systems :)14:41
rsalvetiogra: yep, that's how I'm changing it now14:41
rsalvetiwill probably send the debdiff today14:41
ograanyway, we got distracted :)14:41
GrueMasterogra: I'm talking with marjo about creating a query for it.14:41
* ogra hands the stage back to persia 14:41
persia[TOPIC] Porting Status14:41
MootBotNew Topic:  Porting Status14:41
persiadyfet, Where are we today?14:41
dyfetRight now I am working through python-qt/kdebindings issues14:42
dyfetand this is more a qreal=float and some casting alignment issues specific to armel14:43
persia[TOPIC] Image status14:45
MootBotNew Topic:  Image status14:45
persiaogra, any updates beyond that above?14:45
ograimages look really bad due to oem-config not starting14:45
rsalvetiis this still happening with today's image?14:46
ograjust tested14:46
rsalvetiouch :-)14:46
ograi'm finidng that dbus doesnt seem to run14:46
ograbut no idea why yet14:46
ograthats all for images14:47
persiaAnyone have anything else?14:48
ograany idea how to make oem-config start again would indeed be appreciated14:48
* ogra has nothing 14:48
ian_brasilwant to give you an update on kubuntu mobile/liquid..kubuntu mobile default settings is in REVU and I filed FFe for both this and updating the plasma shell which were granted by ScottK..14:48
GrueMasterI plan on filing a bug on omap4 about the SD I/O performance as soon as I can do some testing.14:48
rsalvetiGrueMaster: nice, it's really very slow14:48
rsalvetiGrueMaster: I plan to run some benchmarks later, so we can compare with beagle and etc14:49
ian_brasilsorry..thought that was the any other business part of the meeting..i will continue lurking for a while14:50
ograian_brasil, no, you were perfectly fine14:50
GrueMasterAnyone have an alpha 3 image currently running?  I want to know what the cpu count is in /proc/cpuinfo.14:50
ograGrueMaster, 0 and 114:51
rsalvetiGrueMaster: board?14:51
GrueMasterOk, the new kernel fails then.14:51
* ogra has no image running but knows that14:51
GrueMasterOnly showing 1 cpu atm.14:51
ograGrueMaster, you mean it has no SMP ?14:51
ogracheck the config14:51
ogramight be an oversight14:51
persiaian_brasil, Thanks for the update.  I'll upload them (if someone else doesn't) my tomorrow.14:51
ian_brasilwe are modifying the seed as well to not depend on kdelibs (whilst it still does not build) so that we can start building images14:52
rsalvetiGrueMaster: 0 and 1 at my es114:52
ograian_brasil, i belive dyfet works on fixing that14:52
Riddellian_brasil: you mean not depend on kdebindings?14:52
ograshould be done soon14:52
GrueMasterconfig looks good.14:52
ograGrueMaster, SMP is enabled ?14:53
ian_brasilRiddell: yes14:53
ograGrueMaster, strange14:53
persiaAnyway, things beyond this are probably best discussed in other channels.14:53
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* ogra forgot at what a relaxing speed you can have meetings14:54
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* persia peers about16:00
coolbhavihello persia cjwatson16:01
iamfuzzhello all16:01
czajkowskiogra: you can chair the meeting after highvoltage for EMEA so16:01
cjwatsonthat sounds like quorum.  whose turn is it to chair?16:05
sorenProbably mine, but I know that I will be interrupted a couple of times over the next hour, so I wouldn't do very well.16:06
cjwatsoncan somebody volunteer?  I can also foresee a couple of interruptions16:09
* geser is still busy at the university, so won't volunteer16:10
* persia is 50% asleep16:11
MootBotMeeting started at 10:11. The chair is persia.16:11
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persia[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda16:11
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persia[TOPIC]  ubuntu-server-dev LP team16:11
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persia[LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2010-July/000090.html16:11
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persiamathiaz doesn't seem to be about: do we need him, or can someone else stand in?16:12
* stgraber waves (sorry was caught in meetings)16:12
sorenpersia: He was around earlier. Maybe we can wait until he turns up again.16:13
cjwatsonI'm not sure we necessarily need mathiaz if the DMB is managing the package set16:13
cjwatsoner the team16:13
persiaTo ask differently, does anyone have unresolved questions about this request?16:13
sorenpersia: I do not.16:14
cjwatsonI have none, mathiaz is a core-dev anyway so it isn't granting him any extra permissions, and the ubuntu-server package set is already in existence16:14
cjwatsonso I don't see a problem with having a team associated with it16:14
persia[VOTE] confirm the ubuntu-server-dev LP team16:14
MootBotPlease vote on:  confirm the ubuntu-server-dev LP team.16:14
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persia+1 : This was one of the original set identified in the archive-reorg spec, and ought get done16:15
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persiageser, ?16:16
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persia[ACTION] mathiaz to transfer ownership of ~ubuntu-server-dev to the DMB16:17
MootBotACTION received:  mathiaz to transfer ownership of ~ubuntu-server-dev to the DMB16:17
persia[ACTION] cjwatson to grant ~ubuntu-server-dev upload access to the ubuntu-server packageset16:18
MootBotACTION received:  cjwatson to grant ~ubuntu-server-dev upload access to the ubuntu-server packageset16:18
persia[TOPIC] MOTU Application for Bhavani Shankar16:18
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU Application for Bhavani Shankar16:18
persia[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bhavani_Shankar/MOTUApplication16:18
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persiacoolbhavi, Could you comment on some of the things that you feel have changed since you last came before us?16:21
coolbhavipersia, I have worked on hard at different type of bugs16:22
coolbhavithan the last time I think16:22
cjwatson[~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu-server: done]16:22
persiacjwatson, Thank you16:22
coolbhaviand of course my package mobile-broadband-provider-info16:23
coolbhaviwherein I respond quickly16:23
coolbhaviand work with upstream on incorporating features16:23
coolbhaviof user requests16:24
cjwatsonikonia: if you're around, would you care to elaborate on the comment you left on coolbhavi's application?16:24
cjwatson(I haven't checked whether it's new since the last time)16:24
cjwatsoncoolbhavi: I've found it curious that you tend to continue working on merges well after Debian import freeze; could you comment on this, and indicate when you plan to move to other things for maverick?16:27
coolbhavicjwatson, yes now m concentrating more on bug triage and ftbfs fixing16:28
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cjwatsonhow do you assess the relative risks associated with merging / not merging a given upload from Debian?16:29
coolbhavicjwatson, it varies some fixes bugs affecting ubuntu too some incorporates new features and addons affecting ubuntu users too16:30
coolbhaviand I always look at the debian package and its changes before merging16:31
coolbhavito look for the same16:31
ikoniacjwatson: ping16:32
cjwatsonikonia: ...16:33
ikoniacjwatson: you summond16:33
cjwatsonikonia: with a question :)16:33
ikoniaI believe you wanted me to comment on the comment I made on the application ?16:33
ikoniais it ok to interupt, or I can wait until an appropriate time16:34
cjwatsonright, I don't know how current it is, and perhaps there are more specifics you can offer16:34
persiaikonia, Go ahead16:34
ikonia(not been following the conversation)16:34
ikoniait was simpley a request to review coolbhavi's work in detail, there have been legacy issues with some of coolbhavi's other projects (started but never completed/not completed to solid standard) and other minor incidents of using other peoples work as his own, I'd like to make sure this isn't the case in his motu work (I've not been following his application so I don't know the current input )16:36
ikoniaI should point out that this is legacy16:36
cjwatsonok, I've also seen some issues with uncredited patches and the like, and Artur pointed out something similar; my own experience is that, from the set of things that have made it to my desk, coolbhavi seems to have improved on this16:39
cjwatsonbut I think it's worth a reminder that it's not OK to use patches without appropriate credit16:39
ikoniaI've actually got an incident on another project where credit was false16:39
cjwatsonhow was that dealt with?16:40
ikoniaeg: the comment in the script said "re-written by coolbhavi" but when I diff'd the original script there was no changes16:40
coolbhavicjwatson, I have improved a lot on that regard16:40
ikoniait wasn't, I regret not bringing it up at the time, which is why I thought it appropriate to mention it now16:40
ikoniait is legacy and I don't want to say this is still going on, but I would like it checked16:40
coolbhaviikonia, that was when I started using linux 4 years back16:41
ikoniamoral ethics is different to technical ability16:41
coolbhaviand I didnt know what was open source stuff at that time16:41
ikoniabut that's just a lie16:42
ikoniasaying you re-wrote something when you didn't16:42
coolbhaviand popey guided me16:42
ikoniathat's nothing to do with open source16:42
coolbhaviI agree that thing16:42
ikoniawell, I'm raising it to be aware, as these packages will be used to represent ubuntu, hence why I'm referencing it16:42
coolbhavibut I have changed a lot16:42
coolbhavin give due credits now16:43
ikoniatelling lies is nothign to do with being new to linux, taking credit is nothing to do with linux, if others are happy this is not an issue, then I have no issue, but I am raising it for checking16:43
coolbhaviex ncrypt sru to lucid16:43
coolbhaviwhere I gave credits to felix dreher16:44
cjwatsonso, I don't quite know what to do here; comments about dishonesty worry me greatly, but at the same time I recognise that people change as they grow up and I prefer it if rejections can have a reason that can be rectified16:44
ikoniacjwatson: exactly, this is legacy, I'm not saying it's current, I just want it to be checked as these packages represent ubuntu16:44
cjwatsonI agree entirely that this has nothing to do with being new to Linux; though I'm not sure I'd want to meet my 19-year-old self16:44
coolbhavifor providing a patch16:45
coolbhaviand as I have said16:45
cjwatsonone of the problems with the internet, your mistakes hang around forever16:45
ikoniacjwatson: no-one is perfect at all, which is why if no-one else has an issue that this is a problem, then I am more than happy, but I would not be happy with myself if I didn't raise it and let it slide, as I did with issues at the time16:45
cjwatsonas I said I've certainly noticed an upward trend in Bhavani's accreditations16:45
persiaI think it's good that the issue be raised, but that we ought proceed based on the work (considering that we may want to check the origins of the work).  Much of MOTU work involves pulling patches from others, especially in merge&sync, which represents the vast majority of coolbhavi's work, so it ought be clear.16:45
tazzHello sorry for intruding, i am an op from #ubuntu-in , coolbhavi could you please explain what seems to be russian translations ? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/mutt/+pots/mutt/bg/+filter?person=bhavi16:45
coolbhaviI have come a long way in rectifying myself16:45
cjwatsonikonia: agreed, and thank you for raising it; I followed up because I felt it should be looked into16:46
tazzi am in a state similar to ikonia16:46
coolbhavitazz thats upstream translation import16:46
cjwatsontazz: I haven't checked the details, but note that translations can sometimes end up getting credited to uploaders16:46
ikoniapersia: cjwatson that's exactly it, I'm not bringing this up to pull coolbhavi over the coals on this, I just want to be confident about the current content contributions16:46
cjwatsonI myself occasionally get mail from people who think I'm a Bulgarian translator16:46
cjwatsonit's an artifact of how Launchpad glues everything together16:47
tazzoh ok... we have had no current issues with coolbhavi in that case :)16:47
coolbhaviand I have been true to myself now in the MOTU contributions16:47
cjwatsonok, I have no further questions16:47
persiaI've a couple translations in languages I don't know forwarded (as unreviewed) from submitted bug reports, and there's no clear way to indicate credit when performing such data copies.16:48
coolbhavias I said i have improved a lot in contributing as a member of the team16:48
persiacoolbhavi, Your two most recent endorsements both seem to suggest that in some cases you miss some details.  How will you ensure that this doesn't continue once your work is no longer reviewed by peers prior to upload?16:49
persia(you've improved massively, but these are from <17 days ago)16:49
coolbhavipersia, I ll cut down from my contributions and16:50
coolbhaviconcentrate hard on nullifying those16:50
coolbhavianother example of the same is MOTU science and electronics related packages16:51
cjwatsonDaniel's comment does suggest to me that just slowing down a bit would help16:51
coolbhavicjwatson, yes I have slowed down now16:51
persiaAnyone else have questions?16:51
persia[VOTE] Confirm Bhavani Shankar as MOTU16:53
MootBotPlease vote on:  Confirm Bhavani Shankar as MOTU.16:53
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ikoniaactually I have a question16:53
ikonianever mind16:53
coolbhaviand you can look at my emu8051 package in debian where I gave credits to pierre ferrari16:53
coolbhavifor work in ubuntu16:53
coolbhaviwrt the package16:54
ikoniamay I ask before the vote ?16:54
persiaikonia, Sure, as we seem to be slow16:54
ikoniacoolbhavi: you've been involved in a lot of things in ubuntu looking at your wiki page, a lot of the projects you've worked on have either had nothing really happen, or you've moved on to the next thing,16:55
ikoniawhat makes being an MOTU different than all the other contributions you've picked up / put down16:55
coolbhaviikonia, as a MOTU I ll definitely try to cut down on my mistakes created earlier and work hard enough to contribute to the team16:56
coolbhavito the best of my spirits16:57
ikoniathat's not what I asked16:58
ikoniaI asked what's different about the MOTU process that suggests you'll not pick it up/ put it down when the next hot contribution topic comes along16:58
ikonia(to be more clear)16:58
MootBotAbstention received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 016:58
coolbhaviMOTU status means that you have that added responsibility on you and ll work hard in improving my contributions16:59
coolbhaviof course I have made a mistake17:00
ikoniaother projects you worked on had responsability17:00
coolbhavibut I am more dedicated now17:00
ikoniawhat is different about MOTU that suggests you will stick with it, rather than put it down as other projects to move onto the next buzz project/contribution17:00
cjwatsonI suggest that these may be unanswerables right now; perhaps (assuming we say yes) we should revisit in six months to see how it's going?17:01
coolbhaviMOTU is a huge responsibiliity as I said n I ll make my17:01
coolbhavicontributions to the best of my effort17:01
ikoniaI'll leave it there as your answering a different question as to the one I'm asking17:02
coolbhavifrom my side and not go away17:02
ikoniathank you17:02
persiaOK.  Let7s have the rest of the votes.17:02
MootBot+1 received from soren. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 117:02
bilalakhtarcan a non-sponsor comment?17:02
bilalakhtarcomment, not vote17:02
cjwatson+1 but I'd like to revisit in a few months to see how it's going, as above17:03
MootBot+1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 217:03
persia+0 : The recent work is vastly better, but I'm concerned that there are still rough edges that could be smoothed (and not convinced that other mechanisms of peer review will be used when there is uncertainty)17:03
MootBotAbstention received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 217:03
cjwatsonbilalakhtar: yes, but you're getting a bit late :)17:03
MootBotAbstention received from stgraber. 2 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 217:03
persiageser, ?17:03
bilalakhtarI would like to say, coolbhavi has been tireless in fixing FTBFSs and merging/syncing. He has also reviewed my merges/syncs really well!17:04
MootBotFinal result is 2 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 217:04
coolbhavias bilalakhtar says and most of my sponsors say I have worked on improving a lot17:04
bilalakhtarI'm sorry coolbhavi I came a bit late17:05
coolbhaviand its sad that I couldnt make it through after years of dedicated effort17:05
cjwatson(remind me what 2 for 3 abstained translates to?)17:06
persiaThat's a bit tricky.  I believe we're six, which means it either translates to "Deferred" or "Pending another vote", depending on whether 3 is sufficient with 6 of us.17:07
coolbhavin my contributions have not been validated anyways I ll reapply next time17:07
cjwatsonRichard is still technically on the DMB17:07
persiathen it's "Pending more votes", and goes to email.17:07
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persia[ACTION] persia to call for remaining votes for coolbhavi's application17:09
MootBotACTION received:  persia to call for remaining votes for coolbhavi's application17:09
coolbhavias I said i slowed down drastically17:09
* persia needs to stop meeting, and seeks another volunteer to be chair, to continue the meeting17:09
coolbhavisorry persia17:10
cjwatsonI guess I can17:10
persia(I'll still do minutes, etc, but just can't focus on the screen well right now)17:10
persiacjwatson, Thanks.17:10
bilalakhtarcoolbhavi: have you slowed down because of M-o-M being down?17:10
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coolbhavibilalakhtar, I am concentrating on more diverse stuff17:10
cjwatson[TOPIC] MOTU Application for Brian Thomason17:11
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cjwatson[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrianThomason/MOTUApplication17:11
* iamfuzz waves17:11
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ikoniathanks for the oppertunity to comment17:11
coolbhaviikonia, thanks for your comments17:11
* stgraber has to go, I've already (hardly) been following the last 30 mins on my cell but I really have to go now. sorry17:12
stgraberthe n900 is great but slightly too small for long meetings :)17:14
MiketheMagiCatHelp, I am an idiot, I installed Ubuntu after uninstalling the Ubuntu program I had.  It had a broken link and I could not get online.  It would not concect me.  But a screenn popped up and said I had to choose a program to open it up, and I chose Internet Explorer.  Now I can't find the file.17:14
MiketheMagiCatCould somone tell me what I did wrong?17:14
cjwatsonMiketheMagiCat: we're in a meeting here - could you please take this to #ubuntu17:14
MiketheMagiCatI am a beginnOh I am sorry17:14
cjwatsoniamfuzz: I don't know how much this is relevant or commentable-on, but can you comment on how you feel you would do partner packages differently given your experience in MOTU?17:15
cjwatsoner, in working on applying for MOTU17:15
cjwatsonI vaguely remember in the past there were some things that we didn't fix because of commercial constraints17:16
iamfuzzcjwatson, for most, there's not much I can do different17:16
iamfuzzexactly, we get what we get sometimes17:16
iamfuzzhowever, going down this path has taught me a few new tricks17:16
iamfuzzand made me press the vendors even more to better package their wares17:16
iamfuzzone example I can think of is trying to get Alfresco to split up their 170+ JARs into separate packages17:17
iamfuzzthat hasn't gone too well though :-)17:17
cjwatsonI wonder if some Ubuntu developers would benefit from the same kind of presentation of packaging technology that you need to make to vendors17:17
iamfuzzPartner packaging can be quite tricky, and is (usually) an altogether different beast17:17
cjwatsonI've noticed there are a few different mindsets involved17:17
iamfuzzIn some cases in multiverse it might be helpful17:18
iamfuzzsome similar overlap with the junk (I mean packages :-) ) there17:18
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cjwatsonI'm particularly pleased to see work on universe security, but have no further questions17:20
cjwatsonanyone else?17:20
iamfuzzI've actually enjoyed that.  I dabbled ina  little bit of everything just to get a good overview of everything, but I think that is where I will focus as a MOTU, if confirmed17:21
iamfuzzthat and maintain a couple of packages I have interest in seeing in Ubuntu17:21
* cody-somerville has to go now too.17:22
* geser is finally at home but has to leave in a few minutes again17:22
cjwatsoncan we complete this vote first?17:22
cjwatsonlet's move to a vote now17:22
cjwatson[VOTE] Confirm Brian Thomason as MOTU17:23
MootBotPlease vote on:  Confirm Brian Thomason as MOTU.17:23
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MootBot+1 received from cjwatson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 117:23
cody-somervillelots of great endorsements but they're all from Canonical employees and a number of them are from archive admins17:25
iamfuzzindeed, it's mostly who i worked with17:25
cjwatsonI can understand the former as an objection but am not sure why the latter is bad17:25
cody-somervillecjwatson, because the interaction appears to be from his work on partner17:25
iamfuzzJamie was my mentor originally, then Dustin took over17:26
jdstrandfwiw, I commented primarily on his work with universe security17:26
iamfuzznot entirely, no, but I'm certainly not arguing that's where the vast majority of my uploads have gone17:26
jdstrandi reviewed far more security updates for iamfuzz than partner packages17:27
cody-somervilleiamfuzz, Do you interact with the MOTU community? How often? Do you have any good examples of your collaboration with the MOTU community?17:27
iamfuzzcody-somerville, yes, but again, most of this is to do with Partner bugs17:27
geserdoes the uploading to partner differ much compared to the main/universe? regarding processes, freezes, etc.17:28
cody-somervillegeser, very much so17:28
iamfuzzgeser, yes, Partner is never frozen17:28
iamfuzzthere is no updates pocket, etc..17:28
iamfuzzit's like a multiverse that never closes17:28
cody-somervilleiamfuzz, so why do you want MOTU? is there a particular set of packages you're interested in?17:28
cody-somerville(outside of partner)17:28
iamfuzzcody-somerville, there's one in particular I wish to maintain, reconstructor-engine17:29
cjwatsonalso partner starts out empty for a new release17:29
iamfuzzwe wish to move alfresco-community into universe as well17:29
iamfuzzwhich i would maintain as well17:29
iamfuzzI also rather enjoy monitoring and merging security patches from Debian in unvierse17:29
bilalakhtariamfuzz is making bilalakhtar happy17:30
geserhow familiar are you with the main/universe processes like merging, syncing or freezes and freeze exceptions?17:30
iamfuzzopenbravo as well should eventually be moved to universe and I will maintain that as well17:30
iamfuzzgeser, pretty familiar, I perform an SRU update to app-install-data=partner regularly17:30
iamfuzzI have requested a couple of syncs and done quite a few normal merges17:31
iamfuzzI have yet to request a freeze exception as nothing I have had has warranted it17:31
cjwatsoncan those who have not voted please make a decision?  this meeting is moving excruciatingly slowly17:34
MootBot+1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 217:34
cody-somerville-1 - PPU seems more reasonable at this time; apparent lack of involvement in MOTU community. No doubt about abilities but concerned about giving the appearance of streamlining Canonical employees.17:35
MootBot-1 received from cody-somerville. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 117:35
soren-1 I also don't feel there's enough integration with the MOTU team as a whole.17:35
MootBot-1 received from soren. 2 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 017:35
MootBotFinal result is 2 for, 2 against. 0 abstained. Total: 017:36
cjwatsoncan't pass.  Sorry, iamfuzz - hopefully this gives some direction on what you need to do next?17:36
* bilalakhtar feels sorry for iamfuzz 17:36
iamfuzzcjwatson, I guess so, I honestly feel I've done more than enough to show myself capable of handling MOTU, but it is what it is17:37
cody-somervilleI think you're capable of handling MOTU as well.17:37
cody-somervilleBut there is a social/communal component of the MOTU applicant that you didn't satisfy17:38
iamfuzzperhaps so, though most of my work comes from the quasi-commercial side where I interact daily17:38
iamfuzzbut you guys are the arbiters, I'm not here to argue17:38
iamfuzzI appreciate your time17:38
cody-somervilleiamfuzz, I sincerely hope that you rectify the points mentioned above and come back so that we can grant you MOTU because we all really want to.17:39
cjwatsonArtur Rona is next on the agenda, but is not here; he said he'd be here at 1700 UTC, but that's after when we really ought to have finished17:39
iamfuzzcody-somerville, I certainly will17:39
cjwatsonperhaps we will need to schedule a special meeting for him17:39
cjwatson[TOPIC] Ubuntu Contributing Developer application for Angel Abad17:40
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu Contributing Developer application for Angel Abad17:40
cjwatsonangelabad: hi17:40
* geser has to leave, sorry17:40
angelabadHi cjwatson !17:40
cjwatsonoh, damn, we just lost quorum17:40
cjwatsonperhaps we can continue discussion and finish by mail though17:40
cody-somervilleI have to go as well.17:41
* soren too17:41
cjwatsonargh, can't really continue on my own!  persia seems to have gone to sleep17:42
cjwatson[ACTION] cjwatson to initiate discussion of different meeting times17:42
MootBotACTION received:  cjwatson to initiate discussion of different meeting times17:42
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* soren welcomes such a discussion17:43
cjwatsonangelabad: I'm sorry, we're going to have to come back to this at a later time.  If that's a pain for you, please e-mail developer-membership-board@lists.ubuntu.com and we'll work something out17:43
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:43.17:43
cjwatsonpersia: all yours for minutes17:43
bilalakhtaranother meeting gone down because of no quorum...17:44
cjwatsonI think we've just generally found that this time sucks for too many people, which is why I took an action to discuss some different times, in frustration17:44
angelabadcjohnston, but, do you know when? or in the next meeting?17:45
angelabadcjwatson,  but, do you know when? or in the next meeting? sorry17:45
cjwatsonangelabad: by default, the next meeting in a fortnight, and like I say if that sucks for you then e-mail us and we may be able to arrange something different17:46
cjwatsone.g. a special meeting, or something by e-mal17:46
angelabadcjwatson, ok, thanks I will e-mail you later.17:47
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ari-tczewis meeting open?17:52
smbclock here says in around 7 minutes17:53
cjwatsonari-tczew: DMB meeting - started two hours ago and thus just finished.  I did wonder about the time you gave in the wiki, but you weren't there when I noticed17:53
cjwatsonari-tczew: would you like us to schedule a special meeting for you?  we have somebody else who may need one as well17:54
cjwatsonari-tczew: if so, please e-mail convenient times to developer-membership-board@lists.ubuntu.com and we can try to sort something out17:54
ari-tczewcjwatson: when is next meeting?17:54
cjwatsontwo weeks17:54
ari-tczewcjwatson: so I'm going to apply next meeting, maybe then I'll got a time17:55
cjwatsonari-tczew: I have an action to revisit the times; if we change them, we'll mail you18:00
cjwatsonari-tczew: it appears that 1500 UTC is not very good for many people on the board18:00
ari-tczewcjwatson: do you suggest earlier or later hour?18:01
* ogasawara gets ready to kick off the kernel team meeting18:01
* apw looks interested18:01
MootBotMeeting started at 12:01. The chair is ogasawara.18:01
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]18:01
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting18:01
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick18:01
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting18:01
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick18:01
ogasawara# NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.18:02
ogasawara[TOPIC] ARM Status (lag)18:02
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Status (lag)18:02
lag* Marvel (mvl-dove)18:02
lag   * MISC     : Brad helped to merge the Marvell Dove LSP 5.3.2 sync'ed branch into 'mvl-dove' - smoke tested OK18:02
lag * Freescale (fsl-imx51)18:02
lag   * FIXED    : B615722 missing a patch to switch low power mode only support in mc13892 2.0a18:02
lag * Texas Instruments (ti-omap)18:02
lag   * ON GOING : B591941 original author sent a patch to try - it does work but introduces another problem18:02
lag   * ON GOING : B608266 mtdblockXYZ are now mapped by the kernel and published in user space - mobile team to test18:02
lag   * ON GOING : B608279 the EDID is readily accessible from user space with i2c-tools - mobile team test and report18:02
lag   * ON GOING : B605488 more testing in progress - still no sign18:02
lag   * PATCH    : B588243 received a patch from linux-omap which fixed this issue - waiting for upstream review18:02
lag   * MISC     : Still waiting for TI OMAP4 (official) release - pre-release reviewed and comments provided to TI18:02
cjwatsonari-tczew: I'm not sure, it will depend on what works better for people.  we have a large timezone spread (US, EU, JP).  Anyway, we're now intruding on the kernel meeting apparently18:02
ogasawara[TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)18:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)18:03
ogasawara==== Beta Milestoned Bugs (32 across all packages (down 3)) ====18:03
ogasawara * 4 linux kernel bugs (up 2)18:03
ogasawara * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (no change)18:03
ogasawara * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change)18:03
ogasawara * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)18:03
ogasawara * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)18:03
ogasawara * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (down 1)18:03
ogasawara==== Release Targeted Bugs (124 across all packages (up 3)) ====18:03
ogasawara * 23 linux kernel bugs (down 2)18:03
ogasawara * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (down 2)18:03
ogasawara * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change)18:03
ogasawara * 2 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)18:03
ogasawara * 2 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)18:03
ogasawara * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)18:03
ogasawara=== Milestoned Features ====18:03
ogasawara * 14 blueprints18:03
ogasawara*** NOTE: This listing includes HWE Blueprints***18:03
ogasawara==== Bugs with Patches Attached:122 (down 4) ====18:04
ogasawara * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on18:04
ogasawara * Breakdown by status:18:04
ogasawara   http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/18:04
ogasawara[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)18:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)18:04
jjohansenVery little change, a few post merge fixups, and a few minor patches to user side tools18:04
ogasawara[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)18:05
ogasawara[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts18:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)18:05
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts18:05
tgardnerThe Maverick LTS backport to Lucid is tracking the Maverick kernel in the kernel-ppa at http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu18:05
ogasawaratgardner: do we need to keep this bp on the list each week18:05
ogasawaratgardner: seems like it's on cruise control now18:05
tgardnernot as far as I'm concerned18:05
tgardneragree about cruise control18:05
ogasawara[ACTION] bjf to drop kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts from agenda18:06
MootBotACTION received:  bjf to drop kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts from agenda18:06
ogasawara[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)18:06
ogasawara[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel18:06
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)18:06
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel18:06
jjohansenpv-on-hvm has been postponed to M+1, there was not going to be an AMI to support the CC in Maverick so it made no sense to push it in.  Instead we are going to roll a kernel PPA including pv-on-hvm for testing purposes.18:06
jjohansenBug 574910 - high load averages.  Appears to be mostly phantom load + possible a few other bugs piling on.  Reverting commit 0d843425672f4d2dc99b9004409aae503ef4d39f seems to clean it up.  Though we haven't seen user report success back with the test kernel.18:06
jjohansenBug 606373 - not bug 554172 or bug 431103 related.  Need to poke at it more.18:06
jjohansenBug 613273 - has not been replicated or happened again18:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 574910 in linux-ec2 (Ubuntu) "High load averages on Lucid while idling" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57491018:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 606373 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-init output does not get to console when booted with pv-grub and ramdisk" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60637318:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 554172 in linux (Ubuntu) "system services using "console output" not starting at boot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55417218:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 431103 in linux-ec2 (Ubuntu Karmic) "ssh host key fingerprint no longer available in the console log" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43110318:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 613273 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel panic on ec2 in system_call_fastpath" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61327318:06
ogasawara[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)18:07
ogasawara[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling18:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)18:07
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling18:07
ogasawaraNothing new this week.18:07
ogasawara[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)18:07
ogasawara[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart18:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)18:07
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart18:07
apwNothing to report, not sure there is anything realy left to report on either.18:08
ogasawaraapw: drop from the agenda?18:08
apwworks for me18:08
ogasawara[ACTION] bjf drop kernel-maverick-upstart from the agenda18:08
MootBotACTION received:  bjf drop kernel-maverick-upstart from the agenda18:08
ogasawara[TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)18:08
ogasawara[LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation18:08
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)18:08
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation18:08
ogasawaracking's on vacation18:08
ogasawara[TOPIC] Status: Maverick (ogasawara)18:09
MootBotNew Topic:  Status: Maverick (ogasawara)18:09
ogasawaraOur Maverick kernel is now rebased on v2.6.35.2 and uploaded as linux-2.6.35-16.22.  Please test.18:09
ogasawaraMaverick Beta is Thurs Sept 2nd, ie ~2weeks away.  Also, keep in mind that Kernel Freeze is Thurs Sept 16th, ie ~4weeks away.  Remember after Kernel Freeze, we transition to our SRU policy in order to apply patches.18:09
ogasawaraWe are above our Beta burn down chart's trend line and dangerously close to being above the trend line overall for the first time.  I realize most of the remaining tasks are not release critical but don't wait till the last minute to close them out.18:09
ogasawara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html18:09
ogasawara[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10-beta18:09
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html18:09
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10-beta18:09
pgranerogasawara, +1 on that18:10
ogasawara[TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)18:10
MootBotNew Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)18:10
smb||                   || Upd./Sec.     || Proposed      || TiP || Verified    ||18:10
smb|| Dapper: Kernel    || 2.6.15-55.86  ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| Hardy:  Kernel    || 2.6.24-28.73  ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| Jaunty: Kernel    || 2.6.28-19.62  ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| Karmic: Kernel    || 2.6.31-22.61  ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| =       mvl-dove  || 2.6.31-214.29 ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| =       fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-112.28 ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| =       ec2       || 2.6.31-307.16 ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| Lucid:  Kernel    || 2.6.32-24.39  || 2.6.32-24.40  ||   0 ||  0/ 3       ||18:10
smb|| =       mvl-dove  || 2.6.32-207.21 ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| =       fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-608.15 ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| =       ti-omap   || 2.6.33-502.9  ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smb|| =       ec2       || 2.6.32-308.14 ||               ||     ||             ||18:10
smbProposed kernels for Hardy, Jaunty, Karmic and Lucid-fsl-imx51 waiting to be18:10
smbaccepted into proposed.18:11
* smb wonders whether a friendly nudge on cjwatson would help. :)18:11
ogasawara[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)18:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)18:11
ogasawara252 Maverick Bugs (up 19)18:11
ogasawara886 Lucid Bugs (down 246)18:11
ogasawaraCurrent regression stats (broken down by release):18:11
ogasawara==== regression-potential ====18:12
ogasawara  * 126 maverick bugs (up 8)18:12
ogasawara  * 157 lucid bugs (down 69: to be converted to regression-release)18:12
ogasawara==== regression-update ====18:12
ogasawara  * 35 lucid bugs (down 7)18:12
ogasawara  * 6 karmic bugs (no change)18:12
ogasawara  * 4 jaunty bugs (no change)18:12
ogasawara  * 1 hardy bug (no change)18:12
ogasawara==== regression-release ====18:12
ogasawara  * 155 lucid bugs (down 26)18:12
ogasawara  * 39 karmic bugs (down 5)18:12
ogasawara  * 18 jaunty bugs (down 1)18:12
ogasawara  * 2 hardy bugs (no change)18:12
ogasawara==== regression-proposed ====18:12
ogasawara  * 3 lucid bugs (no change)18:12
ogasawara  * 1 karmic bug (no change)18:12
ogasawara[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)18:12
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)18:12
ogasawaraThe next bug day will be next Tuesday. We will be focusing on bugs with patches attached with an effort toward preparing them for review by the team to see if they have been addressed in kernel updates or if they need to be sent to the list for consideration. We will continue to have the Team Bug Day to address the Top 50 list as half days on Friday and Monday, as these seem to be working out very well. Reviewers, please18:13
ogasawara take a look at your needs-review lists and help us keep the process moving.18:13
ogasawara[TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)18:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)18:13
ogasawaraI spent a bit of time this past week running the expire script. We expired about 1600 bugs from the incomplete list and I hope to run the script early next week to see if there are any more that can be expired.18:13
_KAMI_HungaryHi when the Hugarian meeting will start?18:13
ogasawaraI've not had the chance to work further with chazn85 the past 2 weeks, but I hope to link back up next week.18:14
ogasawara[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?18:14
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?18:14
ogasawara_KAMI_Hungary: no idea, maybe check the fridge18:15
apw_KAMI_Hungary, the next meeting is a loco meeting, in 2:4518:15
ogasawarak, I think we're done here for the kernel meeting.18:16
ogasawarathanks everyone18:16
MootBotMeeting finished at 12:16.18:16
jjohansenthanks ogasawara18:16
kamalthanks ogasawara18:16
apwwhistle stop indeed18:16
smbogasawara, thanks18:17
cjwatsonsmb: have been (a) on holiday (b) holding off on update processing until 10.04.1 is done18:18
smbcjwatson, (b) if for lucid. (a) ok, thought you had been back18:19
cjwatsonjust since Monday18:19
smbcjwatson, ok, so I should stop whining18:19
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sommerhey all ;-)18:56
hallynhggdh is striking a pose?18:58
hggdhno, swimming with a cap18:58
SpamapSAnybody mising?18:59
SpamapSor missing18:59
* SpamapS stares at the dock clock...18:59
MootBotMeeting started at 13:00. The chair is SpamapS.19:00
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]19:00
SpamapS[TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting19:00
MootBotNew Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting19:00
SpamapSeveryone to pick 1 or 2 papercuts for the beta cycle19:00
SpamapSAnybody know that they failed to do that?19:01
SpamapSOh and Hi19:01
SpamapSwelcome to the server team meeting19:01
SpamapSThe agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting19:01
SpamapSApologies for jumping the gun.19:01
jiboumansSpamapS: there's still 2 up for grabs, i have an agenda item for it later19:01
SpamapSAlright, will defer that to jib later19:02
SpamapS* zul to continue clean up the SRU assigne list by prodding people on status19:02
SpamapSexcellent. I looked at it a few minutes ago, and the situation actually looks tenable now, though it seems we need to plow through some of the unassigned SRU's now.. ;)19:03
SpamapS* SpamapS to finalize and send ruby gems proposal to ubuntu-devel19:03
SpamapSI asked for some advice from a few DD's before sending it, and have decided on submitting it as an "Important" bug against rubygems in Debian, and CC'ing ubuntu-devel.19:04
SpamapS[ACTION} SpamapS to submit rubygems change proposal as Important bug in Debian and CC ubuntu-devel19:04
MootBotACTION received: [ACTION} SpamapS to submit rubygems change proposal as Important bug in Debian and CC ubuntu-devel19:04
SpamapS* ttx to send email about 10.04.1 release process to server team19:05
SpamapSttx isn't present, but I think I recall the email was sent, yes?19:05
jiboumansi updated the agenda to reflect that19:05
SpamapSAhh, refreshing right before the meeting is a good idea. :)19:06
SpamapSOk, moving on..19:06
SpamapS[TOPIC] Maverick development (jib)19:06
MootBotNew Topic:  Maverick development (jib)19:06
* SpamapS tosses the ball to jiboumans 19:06
jiboumansSo, this far into the cycle we should be around 40% completion19:06
jiboumansin most cases however, we're not and there's several high prio specs even at 0%19:07
jiboumansI listed them here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting19:07
jiboumansand there's 3 I wanted to specifically talk about19:07
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html19:07
jiboumanshggdh, kirkland: do you have an update on this?19:07
jiboumansare there other things preventing us from knocking items off the list?19:08
hggdhjiboumans: Dustin just set a new revision -- 1231 to build that WIll Correct All Errors19:08
hggdhr1230 did not really get it done19:08
kirklandjiboumans: i just updated that spec, assigning a bunch of work items to me19:08
hggdhas soon as it lands I will start on it19:08
kirklandjiboumans: those will probably need reassigning, or dropping though19:08
SpamapS1231 WCAE FTW19:08
jiboumanshggdh: that's great, but that's just 1 item on the list19:09
kirklandjiboumans: i'm testing the r1231 here now (shortly)19:09
kirklandjiboumans: on local hardware of smoser's19:09
kirklandone thing of note ...19:09
jiboumanskirkland: are any of the items on that list 'nice to have', or do we need to knock them all off?19:09
kirklandr1231, while only 1 top level revision, involves ~20 sub-revisions all merged together19:09
kirklandjiboumans: have not looked closely enough to say19:10
jiboumanskirkland: ok, let's take that offline; with beta freeze around the corner and no testing items completed yet, i'm a tad worried though19:10
jiboumansmoving on: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-upstart-conversion19:10
jiboumanszul, the status says it's blocked on reviews. can you give us an update on that?19:10
zuljiboumans: i havent talked to anyone since last week...ill try to nudge it forward this week19:11
jiboumanszul: so we're still blocked on reviews then? if so, let's chekc in later this week and see if we need to escalate19:12
zuljiboumans: yes...sure19:12
jiboumansaction to have it dislodged by next meeting19:12
jiboumans(for zul)19:12
jiboumanshggdh: the other spec on your plate is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-qa-workflow19:12
jiboumansyou mentioend before that depending on the uec testing load, that might not make it19:13
jiboumanshggdh: any updated thoughts on that?19:13
hggdhjiboumans: really did not have time to look at it19:13
SpamapS[ACTION] zul to nudge forward upstart script review process19:13
MootBotACTION received:  zul to nudge forward upstart script review process19:13
hggdhmany code drops on Euca, continuously19:13
jiboumanshggdh: does that mean it should be dropped from maverick?19:13
hggdhjiboumans: I think so19:13
jiboumanshggdh: go ahead and mark the work items 'postponed' thne please19:14
jiboumansa request to everyone else; your completion rate should be near 40% now. if you're not and you have any concerns about being able to complete your specs, please bring it up over mail or during our 1:1 this week19:14
hggdhjiboumans: doing it now19:15
jiboumansthis week is about the last time we can reasonable adjust expectations, so get in touch19:15
jiboumansspamaps: that's it for me on this topic19:15
SpamapSAlright, moving on19:15
SpamapS[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)19:15
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)19:15
kirklandhggdh: do you think you'll get some test time on r1231 today/tomorrow?19:16
jiboumanshggdh: i'm quite curious to hear about the UEC testing progress19:16
hggdhkirkland: as soon as it is built I will start on the beast19:16
kirklandhggdh: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/2.0~bzr1231-0ubuntu1/+build/192301319:16
kirklandhggdh: currently says it'll build in 49 minutes19:16
* mathiaz cheers at hggdh for helping out in 10.04.1 UEC testing19:17
* kirkland hugs mathiaz for his 10.04.1 work!19:17
* SpamapS high fives everybody for 10.04.119:17
hggdhjiboumans: I do hope this will be the one19:17
SpamapSAnything else for QA?19:18
jiboumanshggdh: of course. have we closed any open issues with the previous releases?19:18
hggdhjiboumans: very few. The critical issues are still open (or reopened)19:18
jiboumanshggdh: so it's fair to say we're roughly at the same stage as last week?19:18
hggdhjiboumans: yes, it is a fair statement19:19
jiboumanshggdh: ok, excellent thanks for the update19:19
jiboumansnotihng more from me19:19
* SpamapS signals to hggdh that jjohansen is open for a pass19:19
SpamapSanyone else?19:20
hggdha heads up from QA19:20
hggdhwe are starting to look into bugs that are tagged regression-*19:20
hggdhand I will start to nudge those related to the server team19:20
hggdh(that is, of course, having time ;-)19:21
SpamapShggdh: I've got cycles specifically for bug fixing during this cycle.. so feel free to hunt me down before I get too wrapped up in random bugs.19:21
hggdhSpamapS: my hero!19:21
* SpamapS blushes19:21
hggdhand I am done for now19:21
SpamapSAlright, much love for yo hggdh, moving on...19:22
SpamapS[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)19:22
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)19:22
jjohansenso still lots of bugs19:22
SpamapSjjohansen: there's this bug, in ec2, btw, where the load is high while idling. Had you heard?19:22
jjohansenBug 574910 - is mostly phantom load19:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 574910 in linux-ec2 (Ubuntu) "High load averages on Lucid while idling" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57491019:22
jjohansenI am going to go with the test kernel we have up currently, and SRU it.  We will close the bug, and have people still experiencing issues open new bugs19:23
jjohansenbasically there is a lot of piling on happening in that bug19:23
jjohansenAnd there are different issues.19:24
OmahnWould it be possible for someone from the kernel team to review this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iotop/+bug/49315619:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 493156 in iotop (Ubuntu) "Please enable CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT" [Undecided,New]19:24
jjohansenOmahn: I'll stick it on my todo list19:24
Omahnjjohansen: Thanks, having that option enabled in LTS would be very useful to us.19:24
jiboumansjjohansen: so is it fair to summarize that the load display is wrong, and there's not an actual high load?19:25
jjohansenno promises that it will make it through SRU though19:25
SpamapS[ACTION] jjohansen to review bug 49315619:25
MootBotACTION received:  jjohansen to review bug 49315619:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 493156 in iotop (Ubuntu) "Please enable CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49315619:25
jjohansenjiboumans: generally yes.  I have done a lot of testing and this has been the case19:26
jjohansenthis does not mean there are not other issues19:26
jiboumansjjohansen: that's not a bad outcome actually19:26
jiboumansof course19:26
jjohansenbut we can get new clean bugs to deal with them19:26
SpamapSjjohansen: * pv-ops kernel status update19:27
jjohansenstill buggy.19:27
jjohansenBug 606373 - didn't turn out to be related to either of the guessed bugs19:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 606373 in cloud-init (Ubuntu) "cloud-init output does not get to console when booted with pv-grub and ramdisk" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60637319:27
smoserjjohansen you were going to discuss today with pgraner and others a cut-off date (of sorts) for falling back to -ec219:28
smoser(a solution that nobody wants)19:28
jjohansenAs things work with out an initrd, it should be easy to track down, it will just take some time19:28
jjohansensmoser: I will discuss, but there is no guarentee that the -EC2 kernel won't be worse.  In fact last time I had it up it was19:29
smoserright. but we need to have some plan in place. and you're skillful black magic has made -ec2 function in the past, so I have somewhat more confidence in it.19:29
jjohansenThe majority of our current bugs look fix able.  The corruption bug 613083 is the worrying one19:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 613083 in linux (Ubuntu) "user-data is corrupted inside metadata service" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61308319:30
smoserbetter the devil you know ...19:30
jjohansensmoser: your assuming that a maverick -EC2 kernel is the devil you know19:31
jjohansenits not19:31
smoseroh, i know.19:31
SpamapSthe only devil I know is zul + 3 red bulls19:31
jjohansenyikes, now that is frightening19:31
zuli still dont want to get involved with this ;)19:31
SpamapSOk, anything else for jjohansen/the kernel team?19:32
jjohansenI have one other thing19:32
jjohansenWe are going to make the pv-on-hvm drivers available in a ppa for testing purposes.19:32
SpamapSDo you have the location of that PPA yet?19:33
jjohansenSpamapS: no I haven't set it up yet.19:33
SpamapSAlright, thanks jjohansen.. moving on to documentation..19:34
SpamapS[TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)19:34
MootBotNew Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)19:34
* SpamapS lobs the ball toward sommer19:34
sommerhello, got a bunch of server guide bugs fixed this morning19:35
SpamapSsommer: ^519:35
sommerso things are going pretty smooth, should have time to work on some new content this week as well19:35
sommerdon't really have much else19:36
sommerat this time anyway19:36
SpamapSAlright, anybody have questions for sommer, other than "How do you find the time to do such an amazing thing for us?!"19:36
mathiazsommer: what are the main release milestone documentation wise for maverick?19:36
mathiazsommer: *milestones*19:37
sommermathiaz: probably mainly bug fixes, but I'd like to get a puppet section in as well19:37
sommerI can update the blueprint for that19:37
mathiazsommer: any relevant freezes coming up?19:38
mathiazsommer: if so - when?19:38
sommermathiaz: Sept 9 is String Freeze19:38
sommermathiaz: but I've sent an email to mdke about dropping the ubuntu-serverguide package... so hopefully there will be some discussion on the doc list19:39
sommermathiaz: if we only have HTML and PDF formats we could technically update whenever we'd like... but for translators we may want to do once a month updates or something19:40
SpamapSsommer: I'd be in support of that. Most people are probably reading the server guide on the web 99% of the time.19:41
sommerSpamapS: yeppers, I'll copy the server ml with any replies to that thread19:41
SpamapSGreat! Anything else for documentation?19:42
SpamapSOk, kim0 seems unresponsive, so I'll skip the community team update for now..19:42
SpamapS[TOPIC] Papercuts status (jib)19:43
MootBotNew Topic:  Papercuts status (jib)19:43
jiboumansSo most bugs are assigned, but there's 2 left for grabs19:43
jiboumanslooking for volunteers for: bug 582963 & bug 60180319:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 582963 in apache2 (Ubuntu) "SSL pass phrase dialog can't read input" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58296319:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 601803 in whois (Ubuntu) "when whois and mkpasswd are build locally they have .mo file conflicts" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60180319:43
* mathiaz took 60180319:43
mathiazzul: is assigne to bug 58296319:44
mathiazzul: seems like the best candidate?19:44
mathiazzul: are you planning on working on the papercut?19:44
zulmathiaz: probably19:44
zulmathiaz: the ssl one is not exactly a papercut19:45
SpamapSHow is it a High bug in apache2, but only medium in papercuts?19:45
marianomczajkowski: hi!.I already sent our application to the loco council email address19:45
jiboumansif it's not a papercut, let's remove it19:45
SpamapSmarianom: Hi! This is the ubuntu server team meeting at the moment. Wrong window perhaps?19:46
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czajkowskimarianom: great thre is a meeting on here now, and the LC doesn't meet for another hour19:46
jiboumanszul: action on you to figure out if that's papercut worthy19:47
jiboumansif it is, please take it. if not, let's remove it from the papercuts list19:47
zuljiboumans: yep19:47
jiboumansthe last thing is a reminder:19:47
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jiboumansbetafreeze is next week thursday19:47
SpamapS[ACTION] zul to review papercut status of bug 58296319:47
MootBotACTION received:  zul to review papercut status of bug 58296319:47
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/582963)19:47
jiboumansyour papercut(s) should probably be fixed by then19:47
jiboumansso please keep that in mind19:48
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/582963)19:48
jiboumansok, that's all from me19:48
SpamapSExcellent thanks. Has anyone spoken with kim0 before I move on to open discussion?19:48
SpamapSI suspect he may be involved with some 10.04.1 revelry in Cairo. We'll move on then.19:49
SpamapS[TOPIC] Open Discussion19:49
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion19:49
jiboumansmathiaz: could you give us the 2 line summary of 10.04.1?19:49
mathiazfor server: all tests completed19:50
mathiazwe're good to go as far as -server isos are concerned19:50
mathiazthanks hggdh for helping out with UEC testing19:50
jiboumansanything looking like it could be blocking / remain unresolved?19:50
mathiazwe're running into an issue with wubi though19:50
SpamapSmathiaz: wubi for server?19:51
mathiazsee #ubuntu-release to get your fix of real TV19:51
andreserlIn the Cluster Stack, we still waiting for MIRs. We are hold up by Pacemaker. ivoks said he would review it and fix whatś necessary to request MIR. However, it seems he hasn done it yet19:51
mathiazSpamapS: nope - for ubuntu desktop19:51
SpamapSah ok19:51
hggdhmathiaz: my pleasure19:51
mathiazjiboumans: wubi is currently the blocker19:51
jiboumansmathiaz: excellent, thanks for the update19:52
mathiazif anyone has a windows system, help in debugging/testing is welcome19:52
mathiazhop in #ubuntu-release to help out19:53
mathiazthat's all on the 10.04.1 front19:53
SpamapSAlright, so that should be it then, going once.. going twice..19:54
SpamapS[TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time19:55
MootBotNew Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time19:55
SpamapSTuesday 2010-08-24 at 1800 UTC19:55
SpamapSright here in #ubuntu-meeting19:55
SpamapSThanks everyone!19:55
jiboumansthanks all19:55
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DythNarwhal \o/20:30
DythApoth: \o/20:36
ApothDyth, |o/20:36
andresmujicaoe Andphe o/20:43
Andphehi there :)20:43
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lukibenihy all20:54
sumeszhi ppl20:55
outworkgood evning20:56
paultaghey all20:56
nixternalwasabi... paultag is there a link to the agenda? my daughter and i have plans in a few and wanted to see where Chicago stands on the list of 'reapprovals'20:57
paultagnixternal: roger. We can bump you if we need to20:57
paultagnixternal: sec, let me get url20:57
paultagnixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda20:57
popeyslowpaul is slow20:57
paultagnixternal: 6th in line, your call, chief :)20:58
paultagpopey: oh noes!!20:58
nixternalyou guys plan on doing 6 today?20:58
paultagwe've done a lot of review work before now, and this is just a review20:58
nixternaljeesh, i have yet to be on a council that can do 6 of anything in 2 hours :p20:58
paultagnixternal: :)20:58
nagarajahi good evening to all20:59
nagarajait midnight 1.30am in India20:59
paultaghey nixternal20:59
paultagerm nagaraja20:59
mneptoknixternal: every council i know can have disagreements in ~17 seconds. :)20:59
andresmujicahi all20:59
paultagmneptok: we do too ;)20:59
marquinosHi! :)20:59
czajkowskiok will start in a moment20:59
nixternalmicahg and myself are here...the rest of the gang is afk enjoying summer, or working of course...or probably still sleeping20:59
mneptoks/diasgreements/6\ disagreements/20:59
nixternalchicago is lazy this time of year, or busy doing other things20:59
* micahg is working :)21:00
paultagnhandler: PROD, lazy21:00
paultagnixternal: I'm sure nhandler is here :)21:00
nixternalmicahg: I know what you do is really not work :p21:00
nixternalpaultag: actually he just left, or he got grounded21:00
nixternalhe texted me 30 minutes ago saying he was leaving21:00
SergioMeneseshi :)21:00
MootBotMeeting started at 15:00. The chair is czajkowski.21:00
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]21:00
czajkowskiAloha and welcome to the LoCo Council meeting, running order will be in the order of the Agenda21:01
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda21:01
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda21:01
czajkowskipopey: paultag leogg itnet7  are we all ready21:01
paultagczajkowski: yes ma'am21:01
czajkowskilovely jubbly lets get started21:01
MootBotIDEA received:21:01
czajkowskiaplogies from huats21:01
hollmanjust testing ..21:01
paultaghollman: please play with mootbot in pm21:02
czajkowskihollman:please don't :)21:02
czajkowski[topic] Update from action items from last meeting21:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Update from action items from last meeting21:02
czajkowskiNopopey to create pdfs of successful team re approvals as examples to help teams21:02
czajkowskihuats to set up a sample new wiki page for applications and to kick off email for loco council to work on21:02
czajkowskiwe've no huats today so will postpone his till next meeting21:03
czajkowskipopey: any updae on your action item ?21:03
popeygah, dropped off my radar21:03
popeyadded back to todolist21:03
czajkowski[action] popey to create pdfs of successful team re approvals as examples to help teams21:03
MootBotACTION received:  popey to create pdfs of successful team re approvals as examples to help teams21:03
czajkowskigrand thats our Agenda part covered now for re approvals and approvals21:03
czajkowski[topic] Colombia Team  Re Approval21:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Colombia Team  Re Approval21:04
czajkowskiso who's from Colombia here tonight ?21:04
andresmujicaHi everyone21:04
paultag[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval201021:04
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval201021:04
andresmujicathere're some ubuntu colombia teammates around21:04
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam21:04
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam21:04
czajkowski[link] http://www.ubuntu-co.com/21:05
MootBotLINK received:  http://www.ubuntu-co.com/21:05
andresmujicathat's out main wiki page, our official site and our reapproval wiki21:05
czajkowskican I just say what a a FANTASTIC re approval Application that is21:05
czajkowskijust WOW21:05
andresmujica[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval201021:05
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval201021:05
paultagI love the logo21:05
czajkowskiandresmujica: we have that21:05
andresmujicanice logo yes,21:05
czajkowskiandresmujica: see above paultag posted it21:06
andresmujicait was done by the community on a contest21:06
KaOSoFtI'm from Colombia.21:06
czajkowskiandresmujica: care to tell us about your loco so please ?21:06
czajkowskihow have you grown in the 2 years since your first approval ?21:06
andresmujicaAt this moment the colombia team is on a transition, hollman our former contact and leader has stepped down after a really great work21:07
andresmujicasince our first approval.21:07
paultagandresmujica: I see you have one missed objective -- can you tell us about what you did and why it failed?21:07
paultagno motivation / no resources?21:08
andresmujicaAbout 6 months ago, under hollman initiative the concilio or council was formed between members of our community whom have work hard for Ubuntu.21:08
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andresmujicapaultag:  the objective we missed was referring about showing the pc clones manufacturers in our country that they can use Ubuntu21:08
paultagandresmujica: a great idea :)21:09
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andresmujicaas the OS for choice on their installments, however due to lack of resources and the well stablished piracy it wasn' t really possible21:09
paultagandresmujica: cool. Thanks21:10
andresmujicahowever we've done a lot of community work trying to touch the bases, i mean educating people on Ubuntu.21:10
czajkowskiitnet7: popey leogg any other comments21:10
andresmujicaOur community has grow exponentially and is still growing.21:10
itnet7not from me21:11
leoggandresmujica: can you tell us a bit more about the hacklabs? how do you organize them?21:11
andresmujicathat's a great and nice initiative of one of our members21:11
andresmujicathe idea is to choose a specific topic21:11
andresmujicaon any tech area..21:11
andresmujicaand in a workshop21:12
andresmujicawe work from the ground up to build using ubuntu something around the topic21:12
andresmujicaa web server21:12
andresmujicaa new kernel21:12
czajkowskiany other comments from the Colombia TEam ??21:13
leoggandresmujica: do you rent the hack spaces?21:13
andresmujicacommunity members use their contacts so we can get access to an university room or venues like that21:13
andresmujicanormally we don't pay for them, just let people to get in and hack with us.21:14
czajkowskiok we'll vote now21:14
leoggreally nice!21:14
czajkowski[vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Colombia Team. Only LoCO COuncil members vote.21:14
MootBotPlease vote on:  Please vote on the RE Approval of the Colombia Team. Only LoCO COuncil members vote..21:14
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czajkowskiexcellent application21:14
paultagKeep up the great work, oustanding job21:14
itnet7very good job21:14
paultagczajkowski: prod21:15
leoggcongrats colombia! really great work!21:15
hollman\m/ thanks!21:15
czajkowskipaultag: vote isnt over21:15
SergioMeneses:D thanks :D21:15
MootBotFinal result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 521:15
czajkowski[agreed] Colombia Team re approved21:15
MootBotAGREED received:  Colombia Team re approved21:15
paultagOutstanding job, guys21:15
luis_lopezthanks loco council \o/21:15
paultagkeep it up, grats21:15
KaOSoFtCongratulations, Colombia!21:15
andresmujicathanks paultag czajkowski leogg popey all of you!21:15
paultagandresmujica: thank YOU!21:16
czajkowski[topic] Hungary Team Re Approval21:16
MootBotNew Topic:  Hungary Team Re Approval21:16
leoggthank you andresmujica!21:16
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam/ApprovalApplication201021:16
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam/ApprovalApplication201021:16
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam21:16
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam21:16
paultagtoros: that's you!21:16
torosHi! \o.21:16
czajkowski[link] http://ubuntu.hu//21:17
MootBotLINK received:  http://ubuntu.hu//21:17
czajkowskiok who's here from Hungary Team ?21:17
czajkowskitoros: aloha there!21:17
czajkowskiTHanks for coming folks.21:17
paultagheyya guys!21:17
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czajkowskialso very nice wiki page, LOVE PHOTOS! :)21:17
czajkowskimakes my day!21:18
itnet7very nice!21:18
czajkowskitoros: so can you tell us about your team, and how you've grown in the last years please?21:18
toroshugely! :) We have now almost 18000 registered users on our site21:19
toros7 ubuntu members (as far as I remember, 2 years ago we were only 3 or 4)21:19
czajkowskiso how do you get people to know about your team ?21:19
torosUbuntu is getting more and more popular in Hungary... even mainstream IT media covers it regularly21:20
paultagtoros: can you talk a bit about the translation work your LoCo is involved with?21:20
kelemengaborI can :)21:20
torosand people check the ubuntu.hu site first, when they want to know more about ubuntu21:20
czajkowskiso how does your team work, how are things shared out ?21:20
paultagkelemengabor: go ahead :)21:20
torosczajkowski: we have a core team who does most part of the work...21:21
czajkowskiYou do a lot of events, how do you find the time and getting people to help out.21:21
kelemengaborpaultag: basically, we are in maintenance mode, so most of the Ubuntu software is already translated, we just need to keep it up21:21
torosand we try to involve other people on Bug Jams21:21
czajkowskitoros: do you do any mentoring ?21:22
toroswe organized events called Ubuntu Academy, where people could learn how to get involved in the loco21:22
czajkowskitoros: oh you're going to have to tell us about that21:22
torosthese are mixtures of presentations and jams21:22
leoggtoros: I love the fact that you do non-tech related stuff with the members of your LoCo... it's great for the cohesion of the group21:23
torosso we have presentations about how translation works, how our loco site works, etc.21:23
czajkowskitoros: I'm looking on your main wiki and not seeing any team reports, do ye do them, as you do a lot of work so surely not shy of news?21:23
paultag+1 toros21:23
kelemengaborthis is done by organizing translation events on Global Jams, to do the bigger chunks of work, and we coordinate actions via a wiki page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam/TranslationCoordination where we follow the status of the important packages21:23
paultagkelemengabor: awesome! Thanks!21:23
toroswe have a team report for july...21:24
czajkowskitoros: :) ok well hopefully will see more in the coming months will we :)21:24
kelemengaborso that team members can quickly see where is something to do21:24
torosczajkowski: we will :)21:24
czajkowskitoros: Reports ++21:25
czajkowskitoros: the stuff you do, you should share with people21:25
itnet7it helps to encourage others21:25
czajkowskithey can see what others are doing it gives them ideas21:25
czajkowskiok I think we're ready to vote21:25
czajkowski[vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Hungary Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.21:26
MootBotPlease vote on:  Please vote on the RE Approval of the Hungary Team. Only LoCo Council members vote..21:26
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czajkowskireports next month21:26
paultagtoros: keep up the great work. kelemengabor keep up the outstanding translation work. REPORTS!!!21:26
popey\o/ woot!21:26
itnet7awesome job!!21:26
czajkowski[agreed] Hungary Team re approved21:26
MootBotAGREED received:  Hungary Team re approved21:26
popeymore rocking teams!21:27
torosthank you! :)21:27
czajkowski[topic] Indian Team Re Approval21:27
MootBotNew Topic:  Indian Team Re Approval21:27
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication21:27
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kelemengaborthanks, we try to do our best :)21:27
paultag[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication21:27
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paultagOh Shoot!21:27
czajkowskiok their application is not there...21:28
paultagOne sec21:28
czajkowskianyone from the Indian LoCO here?21:28
paultaglet me search. Who's contact?21:28
nixternalI see the app21:28
paultag[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ApprovalApplication21:28
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ApprovalApplication21:28
paultagnagaraja: do you know the link on the agenda is broken?21:29
paultagnagaraja: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda <-- You're not South Africa!21:29
nagarajaplease check the above link21:29
paultagnagaraja: already posted it ;)21:29
mneptokpaultag: it may not be broken. tectonic drift may have accelerated tremendously. ;)21:29
paultagmneptok: hahaha :)21:29
paultagThe little known wiki-plates21:30
paultagso, nagaraja, tell us about your loco21:30
nagarajaour loco team consists of 121 active members21:30
czajkowskinagaraja: gotta say for 121 members that wiki application is rather poor21:31
czajkowskithere is only 1 event listed for 2010 and nothing for previous years21:31
nagarajawe conduct various ubuntu awareness program in different colleges, schools and public events21:31
nagarajaplease check our reapproval application in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ReapprovalApplication21:32
nagarajai think our link is broken21:32
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ReapprovalApplication21:32
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ReapprovalApplication21:32
czajkowskithis is like find the right wiki page :(21:32
nagarajai had added our team in last column in agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda21:33
nagarajaTamil nadu, India21:34
czajkowskinagaraja: are there team reports for 2010, I see you were doing them in 200921:34
nagarajawe are inactive in this year in sending the team reports21:35
czajkowskinagaraja: has something changed?21:35
nagarajai become the team contact only on this month to effective maintain our loco team,21:36
czajkowskiwhat happened?21:36
nagarajachanged? what you mean21:36
czajkowskiwell team reports stopped in december 09 and it's august 10, just ye seemed really good at them21:37
nagarajaya,, we just didnt send the team reports but we are active in conducting various ubuntu awareness programs and events21:38
nagarajawe will update soon21:38
czajkowskinagaraja: so can you tell us your plan for the future, how do you plan to grow21:39
czajkowskiplans for the future21:39
nagarajaya sure21:39
nagarajawe plan to conduct ubuntu-India meeting at the end of this yea21:39
nagarajaplan to gather all ubuntu users at one place21:39
nagarajain India,21:39
czajkowskinice idea21:40
czajkowskihow goes the organising of that kind of event? do you have lots of helpers?21:40
nagarajaya , we get helping hands from various open source organizations like ILUGC, NRCFOSS, JFC21:41
thangam_arunalso from FSF, Tamil Nadu21:41
czajkowskiok good to know I look forward to hearing future plans of this21:41
czajkowskiso I think we're ready to vote21:41
czajkowski[vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Indian Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.21:41
MootBotPlease vote on:  Please vote on the RE Approval of the Indian Team. Only LoCo Council members vote..21:41
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MootBot+1 received from thangam_arun. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 121:41
MootBot+1 received from nagaraja. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 221:42
MootBotFinal result is 2 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 221:42
czajkowskiok please stop voting21:42
czajkowskiI've said LC council members vote only21:42
czajkowskiyou cant vote on your own team sorry21:42
paultagczajkowski: /mode #ubuntu-meeting +m21:42
paultagczajkowski: moderate them out21:42
czajkowski[vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Indian Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.21:42
paultagI'm not convinced, not sure yet. I'd like to see you guys come back21:43
czajkowski[agreed] At this time the LoCo council thinks it would be good to invite you back in a two months time with some more details21:43
MootBotAGREED received:  At this time the LoCo council thinks it would be good to invite you back in a two months time with some more details21:43
nagarajasure thank you21:44
czajkowski[topic] Perú Team Re Approval21:44
MootBotNew Topic:  Perú Team Re Approval21:44
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeruvianTeam/ApprovalApplication21:44
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeruvianTeam/ApprovalApplication21:44
paultag[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeruvianTeam21:44
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeruvianTeam21:44
czajkowskiok thanks for coming folks21:45
xander21chi czajkowski21:45
nxvlbtw, viperhoot is in final exams and couldn't make it to the meeting, yet21:45
nxvlso xander21c is representing and i'm being moral support :D21:46
xander21cthats right :)21:46
czajkowskixander21c: welcome and nxvl21:46
czajkowskixander21c: so can you tell us about your team please ?21:46
xander21cWe are one of the most active teams in Peru, :)21:47
xander21cwe are invited to almost every event produce in Perú21:47
nxvleven more active than the Plug21:47
czajkowskiok so how is it then in your events http://wiki.ubuntu-pe.org/eventos there is nothing listed for 200921:48
xander21calso i organize our own event in order to get more people involve21:48
czajkowskixander21c: what do you mean your own event?21:48
nxvlczajkowski: we are bad documenting?21:48
xander21cyes ubuntu days and release parties http://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c21:49
czajkowskinxvl: a whole year of no events? or just not documenting them ?21:50
czajkowskikinda hard to look at your application21:50
nxvlczajkowski: the later21:50
xander21cwiki documenting I an issue will currently resolve if the incursion of new menbers21:50
czajkowskiok I think it would be best if we ask the Peru team to come back next month with their 2009 work Documented please21:51
czajkowski[agreed] Peru Loco to come back in September with 2009 Events documented21:52
MootBotAGREED received:  Peru Loco to come back in September with 2009 Events documented21:52
czajkowskixander21c: nxvl its just not possible to read your application right now without the information we need21:52
czajkowski[topic] New Mexico Team  Re approval21:53
MootBotNew Topic:  New Mexico Team  Re approval21:53
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeamReApprovalApplication21:53
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czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeam21:53
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeam21:53
paultagIIRC they asked to do this over the ML?21:53
paultagI could be wrong21:53
* mneptok is here to represent the NM LoCo, and hopes that does nto adversely affect our application ;)21:53
czajkowskimneptok: no why would it21:53
paultagmneptok: :)21:54
mneptokczajkowski: /whois mneptok ;)21:54
mneptokso, what can i tlel you about our LoCo and activities?21:54
paultagmneptok: I love the cloak, haha21:54
mneptok"tell," even21:54
paultagmneptok: good question. Tell us a bit about some of the best spots of your loco21:55
paultagwhat you see as the thing you take most pride in21:55
mneptoki have a bithmark shaped like Slovenia on my left arm. those kind of spots?21:55
mneptokwell, we have release parties trwice per year that are well-attended.21:55
mneptokwe also organize events statewide for Software Freedom Day21:56
mneptok(bot the ABQ team and folks out in Portales)21:56
paultagmneptok: TMI aside -- do you have some photos from these events?21:56
mneptokwe have continued to work with EPC, and have kept their installation current and viable21:56
mneptokpaultag: hrm, i may be able to dig up a Karmic photo. in general, we are too busy talking, laughing, and enjoying ourselves to run around snapping photos.21:57
czajkowskimneptok: trying to find any team reports do you do them>21:57
mneptokczajkowski: in the past month i have spent a total of 4 days not on the road at conferences. so ... no. :)21:58
mneptokwe have also had booths at various trade shows in the ABQ area.21:58
czajkowskimneptok: when I say you, I mean your TEAM21:58
czajkowskias in TEAM REPORTS21:58
paultagmneptok: I see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeam/Meetings21:58
paultagmneptok: weekly meetings? C'mon man! You can do team reports! :)21:59
mneptokczajkowski: i am in no way involved in team reports, and was asked only 4 hours ago to attend this meeting and represent us. so sorry, but i do not have that information at hand.21:59
czajkowskimneptok: no bother21:59
czajkowskimneptok: you might pass that onto the team :)21:59
czajkowskiok I think we're ready to vite22:00
paultagI'm good22:00
czajkowski[vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the New Mexico Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.22:00
czajkowskiTeam reports please next month!22:00
paultagmneptok: I'm stunned by the weekly meetings22:00
czajkowskileogg: itnet7 popey vote22:01
itnet7mneptok: lol22:01
itnet7sorry hadn't seen the start22:01
paultagpopey: leogg22:01
czajkowski[agreed] COngrats to New mexico Team on their Re Approval22:02
MootBotAGREED received:  COngrats to New mexico Team on their Re Approval22:02
paultagthanks mneptok :)22:02
czajkowskimneptok: can we go shooting again!22:03
mneptokthanks folkseses!22:03
* nixternal wants to go22:03
leoggmneptok: i'm a brave man :)22:03
itnet7very good work mneptok !22:03
mneptokleogg: and i have no travel budget. so you're safe. :)22:03
paultagspeak of the devel, nixternal I think it's your turn22:03
nixternaldevel, devil, all the same22:03
czajkowski[topic] Chicago Team Re Approval22:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Chicago Team Re Approval22:03
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam/ReApprovalApplication22:03
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czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam22:03
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam22:03
czajkowskiwelcome folks thanks for being patient22:04
nixternalwe gotta hurry, our ex-Governor is getting ready to have his verdict read in his corruption trial....want to see yet another of our famous Chicago politicians head to prison :)22:04
czajkowskiyay photos in the application :)22:04
nixternalyou can thank nhandler for that one :)22:04
paultagnixternal: do I spy a nhander and swoody in the top one?22:04
nixternalthere were more photos, but i lost them before i was saved by flickr years ago22:04
nixternaland me in the back with my gangstah hat on22:05
* micahg isn't in any pictures22:05
nixternaland eddie as well as j1mc22:05
paultagmicahg: :)22:05
paultagnixternal: look'n fly22:05
nixternalmicahg: you going to barcamp this weekend? i have bike racing :)22:05
czajkowskihas the wiki died for anyone else bar me22:05
nixternalpretty fly for a white guy22:05
nixternalczajkowski: it is near death for me too22:06
micahgnixternal: no, sorry, have a lot of stuff to catch up on, but I"ll be at the loco event the weekend after22:06
paultagSo, nixternal, what are some of the bright spots of your loco? Have you translated Ubuntu yet?22:06
paultagI can never understand anyone from chi-town22:06
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam/TeamReports22:06
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czajkowskilovely to see :)22:06
* micahg thinks we should do a blago translation of Ubuntu :)22:06
nixternalyeah, it is a mixture of italian, polish, spanish, with a bunch of other lingo thrown in22:06
paultagczajkowski: yeah, well nhandler is on the team ;)22:07
czajkowskiI know !22:07
nixternalczajkowski: you can thank nhandler once again :)22:07
paultagThey better have their reports!22:07
czajkowskinixternal: so plans for the future, and how ye've grown since your approval?22:07
czajkowskihow have things changed?22:07
nixternalheh, when we were approved (the 2nd US team approved to be exact, just behind Colorado because I had to go to the bathroom, and alphabetically Chicago was first) there was just a few of us22:07
nixternalwe have probably tripled in both members, participants, and current ubuntu members since then22:08
paultagnixternal: that's like posting f1irst!! and coming in second22:08
nixternalmost of our ubuntu members are all devs22:08
nixternalpaultag: exactly, and joey standford will never let me live that one down22:08
_KAMI_HungaryGo Hun!22:08
czajkowskinixternal: aye you are lucky with your members22:08
nixternalwhen we get members, they are usually of the active variety22:09
nixternalif they aren't active, they tend to get bored, so we try to get them involved with something that suits them best, and then try to teach them how to do more with dev work, docs, and other stuff22:09
czajkowskinixternal: any issues ye've encountered?22:09
nixternalthis year has been slow because a vast majority of us have been very very busy in our personal realm...right now my 13 year old daughter is driving me up a wall to take her shopping22:10
nixternalczajkowski: we have yet to have an issue22:10
nixternaleveryone on the team is friends22:10
czajkowskigood ok22:10
czajkowskiI think we're ready to vote22:10
czajkowski[vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Chicago Team. Only LoCo Council members vote. C22:10
paultagnixternal: great work, keep it up. Some of the most shining examples of Ubuntu are on your loco. Keep it up.22:11
itnet7Very Good job nixternal ! You're team Rocks!!22:11
itnet7oops lol YOur22:11
popeyand i promise to install kubuntu22:12
czajkowski[agreed] Chicago Team Re Approved22:12
MootBotAGREED received:  Chicago Team Re Approved22:12
nixternalthanks everyone! congrats to the others and good luck to the next!22:12
itnet7pffft popey !22:12
czajkowskithanks nixternal happy shopping22:12
micahg\o/ thanks everyone!22:12
paultagthanks nixternal, micahg :)22:12
itnet7gj micahg !22:12
micahgthanks itnet722:12
czajkowski[topic] Asturian Team Approval22:12
MootBotNew Topic:  Asturian Team Approval22:12
marquinosHi! I'm :)22:13
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsturianTeam/ApprovalApplication22:13
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsturianTeam/ApprovalApplication22:13
czajkowski[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsturianTeam22:13
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dangerouspiperHi, me to22:13
czajkowskimarquinos: hi thanks for coming22:13
czajkowskiso welcome you're going for your Team Approval22:13
marquinosthank you :)22:13
czajkowskinice application,very clear,  you've been very busy22:13
marquinos:$ No ready :P22:14
marquinosA little ;)22:14
czajkowskiok so would you like to tell us about your team, how you do things, and plans for the future22:14
marquinosyes, of course22:14
ivarelai'm sorry to be late...22:15
czajkowskiivarela: welcome22:15
marquinosWe are a small LoCo in Asturias (northern Spain), but the members are very active. Our LoCo is running for more than a year. Their website was released a few months ago, and I'm happy with the current situation, where there is a slow but constant incorporation of new members22:15
marquinoswelcome ivarela ;)22:15
marquinosivarela is from asturian team :D22:15
marquinosOur plan is fixed the bug #122:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122:16
paultagmarquinos: can you tell us a bit about translations?22:17
marquinosyes :) The Asturian language is the native language of Asturies22:17
czajkowskimarquinos: I see you've had some experience with working wiht the Catalan loco thats great to see22:17
marquinosfor first time, we enjoy of an OS in our language22:17
marquinoswas a very hard work22:17
paultagmarquinos: I see!22:17
marquinosof a few years22:17
marquinosthe translations are done by team22:18
marquinosivarela is the coordinator22:18
marquinosfor that area :)22:18
paultagWow, for GNOME as well22:18
marquinosit was the #1 in the world in the launchpad translations :D22:18
marquinoshe was (sorry)22:18
czajkowskimarquinos: so tell us, what are you plans for the future for your team ?22:18
marquinoswell, I would work for the normal people22:19
marquinosI think Ubuntu22:19
marquinosis for every body22:19
marquinosnot only geeks :)22:19
marquinosthen, I will give a microcourse22:19
paultag*cough* nerds22:19
marquinosand technical help22:20
marquinosin the next months :)22:20
marquinoswe're working hard for introduce Ubuntu in the education22:20
marquinosand some institutions22:20
leoggmarquinos: the microcourses thing is a fantastic idea!22:21
czajkowskican you tell us about them ?22:21
marquinosYes, I got from a Hiper22:21
czajkowskiok any other comments you want to make ?22:22
marquinosMediaMarkt gave a little courses for use a mobile phone, then I get the idea for Ubuntu: A little curse, of a simple an useful area22:22
marquinosthe 1help=1coffee is get from Mac Store xD22:22
marquinosThey give a wonderful technical help for a newbies22:23
paultagI saw that photo on your site, I think it's very funny :)22:23
czajkowskiok so we're going to vote22:23
czajkowski[vote] Please vote on the Approval of the Asturian Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.22:23
paultagkeep up the great work marquinos, your translation work is amazing. Keep up the great attitude22:23
leoggmarquinos: congrats! great work!22:23
czajkowski[Agreed] WElcome to the Asturian LoCo22:23
ivarelathank you all22:24
itnet7very good work! Thanks for all you and your team have done for Ubuntu!22:24
marquinosThanks you, really :)22:24
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czajkowskiok thanks folks22:24
marquinosfor this rock OS22:24
MootBotMeeting finished at 16:24.22:24
paultagthanks for coming, guys!22:24
mneptokwhat does this big, red button on the wall do?22:24
* mneptok presses22:24
dangerouspiperthank you very much22:24
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