=== Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === emma is now known as em === ian_brasil___ is now known as ian_brasil === andregondim_ is now known as Andre_Gondim === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying === kermiac_ is now known as kermiac === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Vantrax is now known as Guest34867 [10:59] ejat: havent missed the meeting have i? [11:00] yups [11:00] ejat: i have? [11:01] Depends on the meeting. There's one starting about now, but it may not be that which you seek. [11:01] persia: membership meeting? [11:01] re my email connected on my phone atm - net down [11:02] nisshh, Yes. [11:02] cool [11:02] persia can you run the meeting? [11:02] was lucky, i only got home about 20 minutes ago [11:02] Vantrax_, Sure. [11:03] hopefully there are enough council members here this time :) [11:03] and I make quorum. Can we try do this quickly please, I need to be at a bus stop soonish or I'll be waiting quite some itme. [11:04] lifeless, freeflying takdir: also here? [11:04] persia: yes [11:04] #startmeeting [11:04] Meeting started at 05:04. The chair is persia. [11:04] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [11:04] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [11:04] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [11:04] ooh, we have quorum + 1? [11:05] (is it 4 or 5?) [11:05] * persia doesn't see prabhash [11:05] fyi I just msged persia with my votes. really hard to follow this on a smartphone [11:05] wers isn't here either by the looks [11:05] elky, I think 4, but 5 is better :) [11:06] 4 is req [11:06] That makes it easy then :) [11:06] persia, nisshh is our only here atm [11:06] 0/ [11:06] dunno where the other guy is [11:06] [TOPIC] Membership application for Ryan Macnish [11:06] New Topic: Membership application for Ryan Macnish [11:06] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanMacnish [11:06] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanMacnish [11:06] * Vantrax_ will follow along as best he can [11:06] nisshh, Could you introduce yourself? [11:06] ok [11:07] my name is Ryan Macnish, iv been using ubuntu for 2 years now [11:07] :) [11:08] did you want more or is that ok? [11:08] Uh. Is there nothing else? [11:08] ......... [11:08] oh ok [11:08] nisshh, you're supposed to convince us why you deserve membership with your introduction. [11:08] well, as for stuff iv been doing [11:08] oh right [11:09] im very active with the Ubuntu Manual team [11:09] sumary of cont is normal [11:09] wrote a portion of the original manual [11:10] i lead development of the developers manual [11:10] persia: hi [11:10] i have contributed to Quickly and Quickly-widgetas [11:10] i have my own app [11:10] called Pytask [11:10] all the obove is on my wiki page BTW [11:11] above* [11:11] and recently i joined the bugsquad and have been dabbling in triaging :) [11:12] i also hang out on IRC alot of the time [11:12] and have plans for far more contributions next year [11:12] id say thats about it [11:12] for now anyway :) [11:13] while we're thinking of questions, is there anyone here to cheer you on? [11:13] elky: well there was supposed to be, hang on [11:14] some of them will be here shortly [11:14] there [11:14] Hi. [11:14] gorilla: thanks for coming [11:15] * gorilla was dragged here.. [11:15] heh [11:15] What do you folks have to say about nisshh's contributions? [11:15] Blank__: daker say hi [11:15] hi [11:16] darkrose: ^^^ [11:16] ChrisWoollard: ^^^ [11:16] I think I remember humpherybc gave you a testimonial... rather glowing [11:17] bah phone call brb [11:17] yea [11:17] so did another from the manual team [11:18] daker: can you say something about my contributions, for the council please? [11:21] hello [11:21] persia: sorry, about the delay, daker wandered off [11:21] sorry [11:22] ChrisWoollard: hey, can you support me while i go for membership? [11:22] Well, let's move on, before the council wanders off :) [11:22] Yes, I can support you [11:22] thanks [11:22] persia: yea ok [11:22] persia: i guess questions from the council are next? [11:23] Hi All, I'd support nisshh's further involvement in ubuntu. [11:23] nisshh, So, I'm having a bit of trouble finding your work with bugsquad or code (aside from 2 bugs and helpful textual updates for quickly). Do you have any links that could help me? [11:23] ChrisWoollard, what can you say for nisshh's contributions? [11:23] persia: not really, i have only done a few bugs so far, but my mentor kermiac [11:23] and i'd second gorilla's statement [11:24] he isnt around atm though [11:24] Nissh is a key member of the ubuntu manual project. [11:24] Folks, we need you to say "this is what i've seen nisshh do" rather than "yes, i know nisshh". [11:24] persia: due to this being called at short notice, alot of people who were supporting me arent around atm [11:25] He takes part in meetings. Helps with bugs. [11:25] He is always aroun on irc and helps anybody that has issues. [11:25] nisshh also help with queries on #ubuntu-au. [11:26] ChrisWoollard: what about my work on the manual? [11:26] unfortunately i'm not really aware of nisshh's work :( [11:26] elky, lifeless, ejat, freeflying, Vantrax_: more questions? [11:26] He is part of the core team of the ubuntu-manual project. [11:27] persia: most people here atm are from my loco, so they dont know about some of the stuff i do [11:27] nisshh: beside ubuntu manual project .. did u involve in loco activity? [11:27] only daker and ChrisWoollard are from the manual team [11:28] physically or virtually ... ? [11:28] ejat: yes, although more recently, and mostly virtually, because im one of the few who is regionally based [11:28] loco in this country kinda sucks, best bet is usually lugs [11:29] ejat: most of the guys in the loco are east coast aussies, im west coast [11:29] no for me [11:30] that being said I have seen nisshh active in the ubuntu-au chan [11:30] anything that u have done in west coast ? meetup/party/jam or etc. ? [11:31] Nissh authored the command line chapter of the manual. He also has responsibility for the glossary and index. [11:31] ejat: nothing physical, as far as i know, im the only active loco member over here [11:31] nisshh: ic .. [11:31] nisshh probably true, I would look into lugs and LCA [11:31] As well as that is a Lead on the Ubuntu Dev Manual. [11:32] ejat: and there are no tech events/linux confs over here as well [11:32] Vantrax_: iv contacted the Perth LUG it is dead as far as i can tell [11:32] how unfortunate [11:33] I'm good to vote [11:33] Right then: [11:33] lets vote [11:33] [VOTE] Approve Ryan Macnish as an Ubuntu Member [11:33] Please vote on: Approve Ryan Macnish as an Ubuntu Member. [11:33] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [11:33] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [11:33] +1 [11:33] +1 received from Vantrax_. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [11:33] +1 [11:33] +1 received from elky. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [11:33] abstain [11:34] Am I allowed to vote for him? [11:34] ChrisWoollard: no, only council is [11:34] ChrisWoollard: council members only [11:34] np [11:34] that is +0 life [11:34] +0 [11:34] Abstention received from lifeless. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 [11:34] -1 : This is a wonderful start, but I'd like to see more clearly documented work, or more testimonials (especially from current Ubuntu Members). [11:34] -1 received from persia. 2 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 [11:34] +0 [11:34] Abstention received from ejat. 2 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1 [11:35] Sorry nisshh :( [11:35] freeflying, ? [11:35] +0 [11:35] Abstention received from freeflying. 2 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 1 [11:35] I would call that a come back again unless free votes yes [11:35] [ENDVOTE] [11:35] Final result is 2 for, 1 against. 3 abstained. Total: 1 [11:35] persia: there would have been more testimonials, if i had have had more notice for the meeting :) [11:35] get some more testimonials [11:35] nisshh, i told you last week... [11:35] yeah my bad [11:36] elky: you did, but i didnt realise, it was going to be at this time [11:36] my fault [11:36] was in the calendar in fridge but I didn't update the page [11:36] yea [11:36] been a crazy week [11:36] so i had to get 3 or 4 votes yea? [11:36] nisshh, wiki pages just need a deadline. get started on collecting votes there now [11:36] nisshh, They happen every two weeks, at this time. If you have links to stuff and testimonials in two weeks, I won't be unhappy to see you. That said, take as long as you need to get it right. [11:36] nisshh, 3 [11:37] ok [11:37] we will be again same time ina fortnight [11:37] nisshh, also, next time have a nice intro pre-prepared like the wiki says to ;) [11:37] persia: yea, i would have had probably 3-4 UM's here [11:37] had i had more time [11:37] agreed with elky ;) [11:37] I should probably go for this at some point also. [11:37] elky: yea, i forgot about that, ill get that sorted [11:38] nisshh, a wiki testimonial is just as good as people attending. really, i promise [11:38] if you need help feel free to send me an email [11:38] cool [11:38] * persia prefers wiki testimonials, as they tend to be clearer, and the result of more thought [11:38] Vantrax_: thanks for the offer, i might get you to see what you reckon later this week [11:38] * Vantrax_ agrees with persia [11:38] persia: yea [11:38] np nisshh [11:38] cool [11:39] OK then. Anything else to cover, or are we done for this time? [11:39] one thing [11:39] time rotation for meetings [11:39] [TOPIC] time rotation for meetings [11:39] thanks for coming daker ChrisWoollard darkrose Blank__ gorilla and anyone else :) [11:39] New Topic: time rotation for meetings [11:39] Np [11:40] making every second one an hour later to make it easier for asia [11:40] Vantrax_, The main issue we had last time we discussed this was a lack of west-asians, who could fill for good times when the antipodeans were sleeping. [11:40] ok, i'm off ciao [11:40] If y'all want to stay up late, I'm sure we'd get more applicants :) [11:41] hrm [11:41] elky, Good night. [11:41] Vantrax_: u mean minus 1 1/2 hour from 10 UTC ? [11:41] elky: nite .. [11:41] persia: I agree. Most of you folks seem to be much easter than rest of asia ;) [11:41] easter? [11:41] more east rather [11:41] more easterly [11:41] it would be one hour later so 11 utc [11:42] The meetings end up falling during working hours or commuting hours. [11:42] nigelb: ahh. [11:42] 11 UTC is still only 16:30 IST, which means folks are still at work [11:42] I'm east coast aus so if 8 can stay up you all can:P [11:42] working hours => fine. Commuting hours => Not so much. [11:42] hrm [11:42] so if it was 12 utc? [11:42] And some folks are in UTC+12 just now [11:43] Its a tough call to make though. [11:43] Any hour will have its own oppositions. [11:43] (UTC+13 come summer) [11:43] yeah those poor kiwis [11:43] 12 UTC = 8pm in MY [11:43] its 11pm now [11:43] Move it up then? [11:43] I can continue to make 10pm meetings [11:43] I can't make 11pm ones. [11:43] Best would be to have one about 9 UTC, and another at around 13 UTC, but that requires a balance of council members who can be awake then [11:43] because I have early meetings too. [11:44] don't block on me though [11:44] lifeless, Do your other meetings move in the summer, or can you just not make these then? [11:44] just be aware i can't contribute to later times. [11:44] yes, maybe even boosting the council numbers to have coverage [11:44] persia: I'll tell you in summer - new team, new meetings [11:44] lifeless, fair :) [11:44] lol [11:44] persia: with folk in new hemispheres ;) [11:45] lifeless: I thought there were only 2... [11:45] nigelb: I got a new job role about 2 months back [11:45] 9 and 13 should be ok with me .. [11:45] lifeless: ah, architect. [11:45] nigelb: All my meetings were southern hemisphere before [11:45] ill talk to CC and get some sort of idea on options and report back next meeting [11:45] nigelb: yes [11:45] I'm +1 on what persia said. [11:46] but then the council needs to ensure quorum. [11:46] Vantrax_, We called for that before, but got too few nominations. Perhaps you'd like to make another call? My memory is that the CC authorised us to have 9 members, ideally with 3 around UTC+3, 3 around UTC+8 and three around UTC+10 [11:46] * persia can probably dig up meeting transcripts if needed [11:46] good idea persia, can you send me an email so I have the info not on my phone:p [11:47] can't cut and paste well [11:47] ill go for +10 and above .. [11:47] Err, probably. If it doesn't work, poke me later. [11:47] * nigelb hugs Vantrax_. [11:47] I've been there. [11:48] thanks, just need too have the info on my pc so I can talk to pleia tomorrow [11:48] persia: Vantrax_ I got a candidate for UTC+8 [11:48] if we get a go from cc then we can look at that. [11:48] freeflying, Send a nomination to the list. My memory is that our procedure is to collect the nominations and present them to the CC for selection. [11:49] yes, if we can go ahead with it [11:49] persia: make sense, will send it late [11:49] gnight - we seem well done [11:50] nite lifeless [11:50] night all [11:51] #endmeeting [11:51] Meeting finished at 05:51. [11:51] brb ... [12:00] as it CC now, if did I just have an off-by-one? [12:01] sladen, it's time, but Mark and Alan have been dragged into other meetings and I couldn't contact anyone else [12:01] he only agenda item I can see is yours, which is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/605969 [12:01] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/605969) [12:01] ubottu: fail [12:01] hehe [12:02] sladen, I could contact Canonical HR about their plans with the page and find out who was responsible for posting other jobs on it - what do you think about that? [12:02] I'd add the information to the bug report as soon as I get it [12:02] dholbach: could do [12:02] ok, super - because right now I don't know what the plan is and what was decided at which stage [12:03] I'll add it to my TODO [12:03] dholbach: let me post what I'd prepared [12:03] Overview: 1. Content advertised as being cross-vendor, and held up as example of how to help build sustainable 2. Content moved to new URL (indifferient) 3. Redirect not added (oversight) 4. Redirect added to single vendor's version of similiar content (usurping), in contrast to earlier cross-vendor argument (sub-optimal) [12:03] I'm generally able to reel off a supportative argument---but I haven't been able to formulate one in this case, so perhaps it's something to raise here. [12:03] so that it makes it into the logs [12:03] * dholbach nods [12:03] thanks [12:05] alright, I'll let you know what I find out - is there anything else anybody wants to raise here? [12:05] hello all [12:05] hey sabdfl [12:05] Did a week get missed? Should the A/O RMB meeting be rescheduled to again not coincide? [12:06] nice to have you back, daniel [12:06] dholbach: The logical solution might be to leave the redirect pointing at the content that it used to redirect to; and then put a specific link at the top noting specifically Canonical jobs can be found --> over there [12:06] sladen raised 605969 and I was going to raise it with HR to find out what the decision was and what the plan is going to be [12:06] persia, no, it's always 1st and 3rd tue [12:06] ubuntu.com/employment should be open to jobs unrelated to canonical, but relevant to ubuntu [12:07] as https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-jobs/ is [12:07] and it would be healthy for the project to encourage more companies to post jobs there [12:07] dholbach, Ah, I see the confusion. 1st/3rd vs. every fortnight breaks twice a year. Thanks for the clarification. [12:07] ubuntu-related Canonical jobs should be listed there too, not just with a link, but actually listed [12:08] i think this was a glitch introduced as part of the website overhaul, understandable but still a mistake that we should address [12:08] sabdfl: (a) so point it back at http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ ? Or (b) open up http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers to other organisations [12:08] (b) seems illogical to me [12:08] so, thanks for raising it sladen, it will get fixen [12:08] www.ubuntu.com/employment should list ubuntu-related canonical jobs, and be open to job postings from other companies related to ubuntu [12:09] we need a process for vetting, posting and removing those, dholbach, perhaps ask HR to handle that? [12:09] I'll subscribe the CC to the bug and update it once I get more info from HR (it'd be nice to have some kind of process how to get something submitted and some kind of requirements for job postings there) [12:09] * dholbach hugs sabdfl [12:09] separately, jobs not really related to Ubuntu from Canonical could get posted on canonical.com/jobs or the like [12:09] dholbach: +1 [12:09] rock on [12:09] any other business? [12:10] we've talked for some time about having a horseman in Jono's team who thinks about corporate engagement with ubuntu, this could be part of that [12:11] sabdfl, that sounds interesting - do you want me to start another thread with Jono about that? [12:11] sure [12:11] ok, great [12:12] wider corporate engagement? [12:12] helping corporate developers participate in ubuntu where they have an interest in doing so, for example [12:12] nod [12:13] encouraging companies to shape the packaging of their products, cloudera->hadoop for example [12:13] helping them navigate the complex community - it really is complex for someone who shows up wanting to get something specific done [12:13] helping them understand the rules and the rationales for the rules [12:13] like freezes and cycles and dates and deadlines and stuff [12:14] explaining baroque conventions and hysterical raisins [12:14] etc [12:14] Also nice to highlight the many firms that already have a number of full-time developers focused primarily on Ubuntu more clearly. [12:14] haha, yes, that'd be hugely helpful [12:14] heh [12:14] ok, do we have any other business? [12:15] all good, over and out, thank you [12:15] well I raised an issue on the role of the PoC on email to the CC recently, the LC really hasn't received an actual answer [12:15] and it's something we would like to work on for the upcomming cycle [12:15] czajkowski, what was the subject of the mail again? I'll star it and try to reply later on then [12:15] * czajkowski hugs dholbach [12:16] ok, found it [12:16] dholbach: clarification of the role of the PoC [12:16] if that's everything, that's super - it means I can send out mails and then get lunch :) [12:16] thanks a lot everybody [12:16] thanks folks [12:17] persia: indeed [12:17] thanks all [12:17] dholbach: i think that's a wrap [12:17] yep - have a great rest of your day everybody === e-jat is now known as ejat === MTeck is now known as MTecknology [14:02] #startmeeting [14:02] Meeting started at 08:02. The chair is persia. [14:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:03] perfect timing. [14:03] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100817 [14:03] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100817 [14:03] grr, the wiki is slow [14:04] [TOPIC] Action Item Review [14:04] New Topic: Action Item Review [14:04] NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o) [14:05] * ogra added a wiki item [14:05] i guess thats another c/o [14:05] Looks that way. [14:05] * ogra doubts NCommander has made it [14:05] [ACTION] NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o) [14:05] ACTION received: NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o) [14:06] persia, the WI tracker link is wrong on the wiki (A3 vs beta) [14:06] * persia edits [14:09] should we move on ? [14:10] Unless anyone else has wiki bits. [14:10] [TOPIC] status trackers [14:10] New Topic: status trackers [14:10] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html [14:10] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html [14:10] [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html [14:10] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html [14:10] [LINK] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html [14:10] LINK received: http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html [14:11] beta looks really bad [14:11] My items are waiting on others. Can't test what doesn't exist. [14:11] i added the last link so we take a short look each week at the open and assigned bugs [14:12] GrueMaster, cant you test a dove install for the "unsupported hw" bit ? [14:12] and i thought you did an upgrade on a beagle [14:12] (a buggy one) [14:13] Upgrade on beagle fails because the current kernel doesn't support mtd. I only made it work with some hacking. [14:13] which imho closes the "Test upgrade path" item (indeed you need to do more testing than only once, but the item just says "test") [14:13] so close that one [14:14] Dove was moved offline and is used primarily for build testing. [14:14] GrueMaster: the just uploaded kernel it seems to be supporting mtd again [14:14] ok. I'll "try" to add it to my todo list this week. bear in mind that the hotel network is very slow. [14:14] * rsalveti needs coffee [14:15] GrueMaster, the WI doesnt depend on bugs though, close it, upgrade testing is in the works [14:15] (we'll nag you about it anyway :P ) [14:15] no need to have a workitem [14:16] Ok, one item (upgrade path) checked off. [14:16] based on beagle. [14:17] right [14:17] indeed we want tests until the issue is fixed, but imho the workitem is fulfilled with that [14:17] dyfet, how about your 4 items ? [14:17] I plan on running upgrade tests at least weekly when possible. [14:18] right [14:18] I am going to get together with mpointer later today on the i2c kernel issue, yesterday I was also busy with kdebindings [14:19] is there any chance you get that done for beta ? (including all the freeze exceptions you will need for it) ? [14:19] you are very behind on that [14:19] I am going to try [14:19] k [14:20] * ogra sees persia is still polishing springs :) [14:20] persia, will you get the lintian checker ready in time ? [14:21] (and what about liquid) [14:21] last test run didn't complete successfully, but it's nearly ready to start getting published results. Getting arbitrary developer access to the lab might or might not make beta, depending on sysadmin time to roll out somewhere accessible. [14:22] well, you couls just store it on people [14:22] liquid has been blocked in my mind on something else, but that's taking way too long, and based on discussions with Ian, I'll try to push it sooner (although getting it right benefits from the prior block) [14:23] The lab is ~80GB. I don7t really want to put that on people :) [14:23] results will certainly be posted there to start. [14:23] well, the machine has 160G free :) [14:24] anyway, lets move [14:24] other space is reserved anyway ;) [14:24] NCommander isnt here to report about the two remaining items he has [14:24] [TOPIC] Kernet status [14:24] New Topic: Kernet status [14:25] lag, Feel like going first? [14:25] Sure [14:25] * Marvel (mvl-dove) [14:25] * MISC : Brad helped to merge the Marvell Dove LSP 5.3.2 sync'ed branch into 'mvl-dove' - smoke tested OK [14:25] * Freescale (fsl-imx51) [14:25] * FIXED : B615722 missing a patch to switch low power mode only support in mc13892 2.0a [14:25] * Texas Instruments (ti-omap) [14:25] * ON GOING : B591941 original author sent a patch to try - it does work but introduces another problem [14:26] * ON GOING : B608266 mtdblockXYZ are now mapped by the kernel and published in user space - mobile team to test [14:26] * ON GOING : B608279 the EDID is readily accessible from user space with i2c-tools - mobile team test and report [14:26] * ON GOING : B605488 more testing in progress - still no sign [14:26] * PATCH : B588243 received a patch from linux-omap which fixed this issue - waiting for upstream review [14:26] * MISC : Still waiting for TI OMAP4 (official) release - pre-release reviewed and comments provided to TI [14:26]