[10:59] <nisshh> ejat: havent missed the meeting have i?
[11:00] <ejat> yups
[11:00] <nisshh> ejat: i have?
[11:01] <persia> Depends on the meeting.  There's one starting about now, but it may not be that which you seek.
[11:01] <nisshh> persia: membership meeting?
[11:01] <Vantrax_> re my email connected on my phone atm - net down
[11:02] <persia> nisshh, Yes.
[11:02] <nisshh> cool
[11:02] <Vantrax_> persia can you run the meeting?
[11:02] <nisshh> was lucky, i only got home about 20 minutes ago
[11:02] <persia> Vantrax_, Sure.
[11:03] <nisshh> hopefully there are enough council members here this time :)
[11:03] <elky> and I make quorum. Can we try do this quickly please, I need to be at a bus stop soonish or I'll be waiting quite some itme.
[11:04] <persia> lifeless, freeflying takdir: also here?
[11:04] <freeflying> persia: yes
[11:04] <persia> #startmeeting
[11:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:04. The chair is persia.
[11:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:04] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[11:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[11:04] <elky> ooh, we have quorum + 1?
[11:05] <elky> (is it 4 or 5?)
[11:05]  * persia doesn't see prabhash
[11:05] <Vantrax_> fyi I just msged persia with my votes. really hard to follow this on a smartphone
[11:05] <elky> wers isn't here either by the looks
[11:05] <persia> elky, I think 4, but 5 is better :)
[11:06] <Vantrax_> 4 is req
[11:06] <persia> That makes it easy then :)
[11:06] <elky> persia, nisshh is our only here atm
[11:06] <ejat> 0/
[11:06] <nisshh> dunno where the other guy is
[11:06] <persia> [TOPIC] Membership application for Ryan Macnish
[11:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Membership application for Ryan Macnish
[11:06] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanMacnish
[11:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RyanMacnish
[11:06]  * Vantrax_ will follow along as best he can
[11:06] <persia> nisshh, Could you introduce yourself?
[11:06] <nisshh> ok
[11:07] <nisshh> my name is Ryan Macnish, iv been using ubuntu for 2 years now
[11:07] <nisshh> :)
[11:08] <nisshh> did you want more or is that ok?
[11:08] <elky> Uh. Is there nothing else?
[11:08] <leoquant> .........
[11:08] <nisshh> oh ok
[11:08] <elky> nisshh, you're supposed to convince us why you deserve membership with your introduction.
[11:08] <nisshh> well, as for stuff iv been doing
[11:08] <nisshh> oh right
[11:09] <nisshh> im very active with the Ubuntu Manual team
[11:09] <Vantrax_> sumary of cont is normal
[11:09] <nisshh> wrote a portion of the original manual
[11:10] <nisshh> i lead development of the developers manual
[11:10] <lifeless> persia: hi
[11:10] <nisshh> i have contributed to Quickly and Quickly-widgetas
[11:10] <nisshh> i have my own app
[11:10] <nisshh> called Pytask
[11:10] <nisshh> all the obove is on my wiki page BTW
[11:11] <nisshh> above*
[11:11] <nisshh> and recently i joined the bugsquad and have been dabbling in triaging :)
[11:12] <nisshh> i also hang out on IRC alot of the time
[11:12] <nisshh> and have plans for far more contributions next year
[11:12] <nisshh> id say thats about it
[11:12] <nisshh> for now anyway :)
[11:13] <elky> while we're thinking of questions, is there anyone here to cheer you on?
[11:13] <nisshh> elky: well there was supposed to be, hang on
[11:14] <nisshh> some of them will be here shortly
[11:14] <nisshh> there
[11:14] <gorilla> Hi.
[11:14] <nisshh> gorilla: thanks for coming
[11:15]  * gorilla was dragged here..
[11:15] <nisshh> heh
[11:15] <elky> What do you folks have to say about nisshh's contributions?
[11:15] <nisshh> Blank__: daker say hi
[11:15] <daker> hi
[11:16] <nisshh> darkrose: ^^^
[11:16] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: ^^^
[11:16] <Vantrax_> I think I remember humpherybc gave you a testimonial... rather glowing
[11:17] <Vantrax_> bah phone call brb
[11:17] <nisshh> yea
[11:17] <nisshh> so did another from the manual team
[11:18] <nisshh> daker: can you say something about my contributions, for the council please?
[11:21] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[11:21] <nisshh> persia: sorry, about the delay, daker wandered off
[11:21] <daker> sorry
[11:22] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: hey, can you support me while i go for membership?
[11:22] <persia> Well, let's move on, before the council wanders off :)
[11:22] <ChrisWoollard> Yes, I can support you
[11:22] <nisshh> thanks
[11:22] <nisshh> persia: yea ok
[11:22] <nisshh> persia: i guess questions from the council are next?
[11:23] <gorilla> Hi All, I'd support nisshh's further involvement in ubuntu.
[11:23] <persia> nisshh, So, I'm having a bit of trouble finding your work with bugsquad or code (aside from 2 bugs and helpful textual updates for quickly).  Do you have any links that could help me?
[11:23] <elky> ChrisWoollard, what can you say for nisshh's contributions?
[11:23] <nisshh> persia: not really, i have only done a few bugs so far, but my mentor kermiac
[11:23] <Blank__> and i'd second gorilla's statement
[11:24] <nisshh> he isnt around atm though
[11:24] <ChrisWoollard> Nissh is a key member of the ubuntu manual project.
[11:24] <elky> Folks, we need you to say "this is what i've seen nisshh do" rather than "yes, i know nisshh".
[11:24] <nisshh> persia: due to this being called at short notice, alot of people who were supporting me arent around atm
[11:25] <ChrisWoollard> He takes part in meetings. Helps with bugs.
[11:25] <ChrisWoollard> He is always aroun on  irc and helps anybody that has issues.
[11:25] <gorilla> nisshh also help with queries on #ubuntu-au.
[11:26] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: what about my work on the manual?
[11:26] <Blank__> unfortunately i'm not really aware of nisshh's work :(
[11:26] <persia> elky, lifeless, ejat, freeflying, Vantrax_: more questions?
[11:26] <ChrisWoollard> He is part of the core team of the ubuntu-manual project.
[11:27] <nisshh> persia: most people here atm are from my loco, so they dont know about some of the stuff i do
[11:27] <ejat> nisshh: beside ubuntu manual project .. did u involve in loco activity?
[11:27] <nisshh> only daker and ChrisWoollard are from the manual team
[11:28] <ejat> physically or virtually ... ?
[11:28] <nisshh> ejat: yes, although more recently, and mostly virtually, because im one of the few who is regionally based
[11:28] <Vantrax_> loco in this country kinda sucks, best bet is usually lugs
[11:29] <nisshh> ejat: most of the guys in the loco are east coast aussies, im west coast
[11:29] <freeflying> no for me
[11:30] <Vantrax_> that being said I have seen nisshh active in the ubuntu-au chan
[11:30] <ejat> anything that u have done in west coast ? meetup/party/jam or etc. ?
[11:31] <ChrisWoollard> Nissh authored the command line chapter of the manual. He also has responsibility for the glossary and index.
[11:31] <nisshh> ejat: nothing physical, as far as i know, im the only active loco member over here
[11:31] <ejat> nisshh: ic ..
[11:31] <Vantrax_> nisshh probably true, I would look into lugs and LCA
[11:31] <ChrisWoollard> As well as that is a Lead on the Ubuntu Dev Manual.
[11:32] <nisshh> ejat: and there are no tech events/linux confs over here as well
[11:32] <nisshh> Vantrax_: iv contacted the Perth LUG it is dead as far as i can tell
[11:32] <Vantrax_> how unfortunate
[11:33] <Vantrax_> I'm good to vote
[11:33] <persia> Right then:
[11:33] <elky> lets vote
[11:33] <persia> [VOTE] Approve Ryan Macnish as an Ubuntu Member
[11:33] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Approve Ryan Macnish as an Ubuntu Member.
[11:33] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[11:33] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:33] <Vantrax_> +1
[11:33] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax_. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:33] <elky> +1
[11:33] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[11:33] <lifeless> abstain
[11:34] <ChrisWoollard> Am I allowed to vote for him?
[11:34] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: no, only council is
[11:34] <lifeless> ChrisWoollard: council members only
[11:34] <ChrisWoollard> np
[11:34] <Vantrax_> that is +0 life
[11:34] <lifeless> +0
[11:34] <MootBot> Abstention received from lifeless. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[11:34] <persia> -1 : This is a wonderful start, but I'd like to see more clearly documented work, or more testimonials (especially from current Ubuntu Members).
[11:34] <MootBot> -1 received from persia. 2 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:34] <ejat> +0
[11:34] <MootBot> Abstention received from ejat. 2 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:35] <elky> Sorry nisshh :(
[11:35] <persia> freeflying, ?
[11:35] <freeflying> +0
[11:35] <MootBot> Abstention received from freeflying. 2 for, 1 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:35] <Vantrax_> I would call that a come back again unless free votes yes
[11:35] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[11:35] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 1 against. 3 abstained. Total: 1
[11:35] <nisshh> persia: there would have been more testimonials, if i had have had more notice for the meeting :)
[11:35] <Vantrax_> get some more testimonials
[11:35] <elky> nisshh, i told you last week...
[11:35] <Vantrax_> yeah my bad
[11:36] <nisshh> elky: you did, but i didnt realise, it was going to be at this time
[11:36] <nisshh> my fault
[11:36] <Vantrax_> was in the calendar in fridge but I didn't update the page
[11:36] <nisshh> yea
[11:36] <Vantrax_> been a crazy week
[11:36] <nisshh> so i had to get 3 or 4 votes yea?
[11:36] <elky> nisshh, wiki pages just need a deadline. get started on collecting votes there now
[11:36] <persia> nisshh, They happen every two weeks, at this time.  If you have links to stuff and testimonials in two weeks, I won't be unhappy to see you.  That said, take as long as you need to get it right.
[11:36] <elky> nisshh, 3
[11:37] <nisshh> ok
[11:37] <Vantrax_> we will be again same time ina fortnight
[11:37] <elky> nisshh, also, next time have a nice intro pre-prepared like the wiki says to ;)
[11:37] <nisshh> persia: yea, i would have had probably 3-4 UM's here
[11:37] <nisshh> had i had more time
[11:37] <ejat> agreed with elky ;)
[11:37] <ChrisWoollard> I should probably go for this at some point also.
[11:37] <nisshh> elky: yea, i forgot about that, ill get that sorted
[11:38] <elky> nisshh, a wiki testimonial is just as good as people attending. really, i promise
[11:38] <Vantrax_> if you need help feel free to send me an email
[11:38] <nisshh> cool
[11:38]  * persia prefers wiki testimonials, as they tend to be clearer, and the result of more thought
[11:38] <nisshh> Vantrax_: thanks for the offer, i might get you to see what you reckon later this week
[11:38]  * Vantrax_ agrees with persia
[11:38] <nisshh> persia: yea
[11:38] <Vantrax_> np nisshh
[11:38] <nisshh> cool
[11:39] <persia> OK then.  Anything else to cover, or are we done for this time?
[11:39] <Vantrax_> one thing
[11:39] <Vantrax_> time rotation for meetings
[11:39] <persia> [TOPIC] time rotation for meetings
[11:39] <nisshh> thanks for coming daker ChrisWoollard darkrose Blank__ gorilla and anyone else :)
[11:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  time rotation for meetings
[11:39] <ChrisWoollard> Np
[11:40] <Vantrax_> making every second one an hour later to make it easier for asia
[11:40] <persia> Vantrax_, The main issue we had last time we discussed this was a lack of west-asians, who could fill for good times when the antipodeans were sleeping.
[11:40] <elky> ok, i'm off ciao
[11:40] <persia> If y'all want to stay up late, I'm sure we'd get more applicants :)
[11:41] <Vantrax_> hrm
[11:41] <persia> elky, Good night.
[11:41] <ejat> Vantrax_: u mean minus 1 1/2 hour from 10 UTC ?
[11:41] <ejat> elky: nite ..
[11:41] <nigelb> persia: I agree. Most of you folks seem to be much easter than rest of asia ;)
[11:41] <gorilla> easter?
[11:41] <nigelb> more east rather
[11:41] <persia> more easterly
[11:41] <Vantrax_> it would be one hour later so 11 utc
[11:42] <nigelb> The meetings end up falling during working hours or commuting hours.
[11:42] <gorilla> nigelb: ahh.
[11:42] <persia> 11 UTC is still only 16:30 IST, which means folks are still at work
[11:42] <Vantrax_> I'm east coast aus so if 8 can stay up you all can:P
[11:42] <nigelb> working hours => fine.  Commuting hours => Not so much.
[11:42] <Vantrax_> hrm
[11:42] <Vantrax_> so if it was 12 utc?
[11:42] <persia> And some folks are in UTC+12 just now
[11:43] <nigelb> Its a tough call to make though.
[11:43] <nigelb> Any hour will have its own oppositions.
[11:43] <persia> (UTC+13 come summer)
[11:43] <Vantrax_> yeah those poor kiwis
[11:43] <ejat> 12 UTC = 8pm in MY
[11:43] <lifeless> its 11pm now
[11:43] <nigelb> Move it up then?
[11:43] <lifeless> I can continue to make 10pm meetings
[11:43] <lifeless> I can't make 11pm ones.
[11:43] <persia> Best would be to have one about 9 UTC, and another at around 13 UTC, but that requires a balance of council members who can be awake then
[11:43] <lifeless> because I have early meetings too.
[11:44] <lifeless> don't block on me though
[11:44] <persia> lifeless, Do your other meetings move in the summer, or can you just not make these then?
[11:44] <lifeless> just be aware i can't contribute to later times.
[11:44] <Vantrax_> yes, maybe even boosting the council numbers to have coverage
[11:44] <lifeless> persia: I'll tell you in summer - new team, new meetings
[11:44] <persia> lifeless, fair :)
[11:44] <nigelb> lol
[11:44] <lifeless> persia: with folk in new hemispheres ;)
[11:45] <nigelb> lifeless: I thought there were only 2...
[11:45] <lifeless> nigelb: I got a new job role about 2 months back
[11:45] <ejat> 9 and 13 should be ok with me ..
[11:45] <nigelb> lifeless: ah, architect.
[11:45] <lifeless> nigelb: All my meetings were southern hemisphere before
[11:45] <Vantrax_> ill talk to CC and get some sort of idea on options and report back next meeting
[11:45] <lifeless> nigelb: yes
[11:45] <nigelb> I'm +1 on what persia said.
[11:46] <nigelb> but then the council needs to ensure quorum.
[11:46] <persia> Vantrax_, We called for that before, but got too few nominations.  Perhaps you'd like to make another call?  My memory is that the CC authorised us to have 9 members, ideally with 3 around UTC+3, 3 around UTC+8 and three around UTC+10
[11:46]  * persia can probably dig up meeting transcripts if needed
[11:46] <Vantrax_> good idea persia, can you send me an email so I have the info not on my phone:p
[11:47] <Vantrax_> can't cut and paste well
[11:47] <ejat> ill go for +10 and above ..
[11:47] <persia> Err, probably.  If it doesn't work, poke me later.
[11:47]  * nigelb hugs Vantrax_.
[11:47] <nigelb> I've been there.
[11:48] <Vantrax_> thanks, just need too have the info on my pc so I can talk to pleia tomorrow
[11:48] <freeflying> persia: Vantrax_ I got a candidate for UTC+8
[11:48] <Vantrax_> if we get a go from cc then we can look at that.
[11:48] <persia> freeflying, Send a nomination to the list.  My memory is that our procedure is to collect the nominations and present them to the CC for selection.
[11:49] <Vantrax_> yes, if we can go ahead with it
[11:49] <freeflying> persia: make sense, will send it late
[11:49] <lifeless> gnight - we seem well done
[11:50] <ejat> nite lifeless
[11:50] <Vantrax_> night all
[11:51] <persia> #endmeeting
[11:51] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:51.
[11:51] <ejat> brb ...
[12:00] <sladen> as it CC now, if did I just have an off-by-one?
[12:01] <dholbach> sladen, it's time, but Mark and Alan have been dragged into other meetings and I couldn't contact anyone else
[12:01] <dholbach> he only agenda item I can see is yours, which is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/605969
[12:01] <sladen> ubottu: fail
[12:01] <dholbach> hehe
[12:02] <dholbach> sladen, I could contact Canonical HR about their plans with the page and find out who was responsible for posting other jobs on it - what do you think about that?
[12:02] <dholbach> I'd add the information to the bug report as soon as I get it
[12:02] <sladen> dholbach: could do
[12:02] <dholbach> ok, super - because right now I don't know what the plan is and what was decided at which stage
[12:03] <dholbach> I'll add it to my TODO
[12:03] <sladen> dholbach: let me post what I'd prepared
[12:03] <sladen> Overview: 1. Content advertised as being cross-vendor, and held up as example of how to help build sustainable 2. Content moved to new URL (indifferient) 3. Redirect not added (oversight) 4. Redirect added to single vendor's version of similiar content (usurping), in contrast to earlier cross-vendor argument (sub-optimal)
[12:03] <sladen> I'm generally able to reel off a supportative argument---but I haven't been able to formulate one in this case, so perhaps it's something to raise here.
[12:03] <sladen> so that it makes it into the logs
[12:03]  * dholbach nods
[12:03] <dholbach> thanks
[12:05] <dholbach> alright, I'll let you know what I find out - is there anything else anybody wants to raise here?
[12:05] <sabdfl> hello all
[12:05] <dholbach> hey sabdfl
[12:05] <persia> Did a week get missed?  Should the A/O RMB meeting be rescheduled to again not coincide?
[12:06] <sabdfl> nice to have you back, daniel
[12:06] <sladen> dholbach: The logical solution might be to leave the redirect pointing at the content that it used to redirect to;  and then put a specific link at the top noting specifically Canonical jobs can be found --> over there
[12:06] <dholbach> sladen raised 605969 and I was going to raise it with HR to find out what the decision was and what the plan is going to be
[12:06] <dholbach> persia, no, it's always 1st and 3rd tue
[12:06] <sabdfl> ubuntu.com/employment should be open to jobs unrelated to canonical, but relevant to ubuntu
[12:07] <dholbach> as https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-jobs/ is
[12:07] <sabdfl> and it would be healthy for the project to encourage more companies to post jobs there
[12:07] <persia> dholbach, Ah, I see the confusion.  1st/3rd vs. every fortnight breaks twice a year.  Thanks for the clarification.
[12:07] <sabdfl> ubuntu-related Canonical jobs should be listed there too, not just with a link, but actually listed
[12:08] <sabdfl> i think this was a glitch introduced as part of the website overhaul, understandable but still a mistake that we should address
[12:08] <sladen> sabdfl: (a) so point it back at http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ ?   Or (b) open up  http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers  to other organisations
[12:08] <sladen> (b) seems illogical to me
[12:08] <sabdfl> so, thanks for raising it sladen, it will get fixen
[12:08] <sabdfl> www.ubuntu.com/employment should list ubuntu-related canonical jobs, and be open to job postings from other companies related to ubuntu
[12:09] <sabdfl> we need a process for vetting, posting and removing those, dholbach, perhaps ask HR to handle that?
[12:09] <dholbach> I'll subscribe the CC to the bug and update it once I get more info from HR (it'd be nice to have some kind of process how to get something submitted and some kind of requirements for job postings there)
[12:09]  * dholbach hugs sabdfl
[12:09] <sabdfl> separately, jobs not really related to Ubuntu from Canonical could get posted on canonical.com/jobs or the like
[12:09] <sabdfl> dholbach: +1
[12:09] <dholbach> rock on
[12:09] <dholbach> any other business?
[12:10] <sabdfl> we've talked for some time about having a horseman in Jono's team who thinks about corporate engagement with ubuntu, this could be part of that
[12:11] <dholbach> sabdfl, that sounds interesting - do you want me to start another thread with Jono about that?
[12:11] <sabdfl> sure
[12:11] <dholbach> ok, great
[12:12] <sladen> wider corporate engagement?
[12:12] <sabdfl> helping corporate developers participate in ubuntu where they have an interest in doing so, for example
[12:12] <sladen> nod
[12:13] <sabdfl> encouraging companies to shape the packaging of their products, cloudera->hadoop for example
[12:13] <sabdfl> helping them navigate the complex community - it really is complex for someone who shows up wanting to get something specific done
[12:13] <sabdfl> helping them understand the rules and the rationales for the rules
[12:13] <sabdfl> like freezes and cycles and dates and deadlines and stuff
[12:14] <sabdfl> explaining baroque conventions and hysterical raisins
[12:14] <sabdfl> etc
[12:14] <persia> Also nice to highlight the many firms that already have a number of full-time developers focused primarily on Ubuntu more clearly.
[12:14] <dholbach> haha, yes, that'd be hugely helpful
[12:14] <czajkowski> heh
[12:14] <dholbach> ok, do we have any other business?
[12:15] <sladen> all good, over and out, thank you
[12:15] <czajkowski> well I raised an issue on the role of the PoC on email to the CC recently, the LC really hasn't received an actual answer
[12:15] <czajkowski> and it's something we would like to work on for the upcomming cycle
[12:15] <dholbach> czajkowski, what was the subject of the mail again? I'll star it and try to reply later on then
[12:15]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach 
[12:16] <dholbach> ok, found it
[12:16] <czajkowski> dholbach: clarification of the role of the PoC
[12:16] <dholbach> if that's everything, that's super - it means I can send out mails and then get lunch :)
[12:16] <dholbach> thanks a lot everybody
[12:16] <czajkowski> thanks folks
[12:17] <sabdfl> persia: indeed
[12:17] <sabdfl> thanks all
[12:17] <sabdfl> dholbach: i think that's a wrap
[12:17] <dholbach> yep - have a great rest of your day everybody
[14:02] <persia> #startmeeting
[14:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:02. The chair is persia.
[14:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:03] <GrueMaster> perfect timing.
[14:03] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100817
[14:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100817
[14:03] <ogra> grr, the wiki is slow
[14:04] <persia> [TOPIC] Action Item Review
[14:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[14:04] <persia> NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)
[14:05]  * ogra added a wiki item
[14:05] <ogra> i guess thats another c/o
[14:05] <persia> Looks that way.
[14:05]  * ogra doubts NCommander has made it 
[14:05] <persia> [ACTION] NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)
[14:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to unbreak apport retracer (c/o)
[14:06] <ogra> persia, the WI tracker link is wrong on the wiki (A3 vs beta)
[14:06]  * persia edits
[14:09] <ogra> should we move on ?
[14:10] <persia> Unless anyone else has wiki bits.
[14:10] <persia> [TOPIC] status trackers
[14:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  status trackers
[14:10] <persia> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile.html
[14:10] <persia> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[14:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[14:10] <persia> [LINK] http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:11] <ogra> beta looks really bad
[14:11] <GrueMaster> My items are waiting on others.  Can't test what doesn't exist.
[14:11] <ogra> i added the last link so we take a short look each week at the open and assigned bugs
[14:12] <ogra> GrueMaster, cant you test a dove install for the "unsupported hw" bit ?
[14:12] <ogra> and i thought you did an upgrade on a beagle
[14:12] <ogra> (a buggy one)
[14:13] <GrueMaster> Upgrade on beagle fails because the current kernel doesn't support mtd.  I only made it work with some hacking.
[14:13] <ogra> which imho closes the "Test upgrade path" item (indeed you need to do more testing than only once, but the item just says "test")
[14:13] <ogra> so close that one
[14:14] <GrueMaster> Dove was moved offline and is used primarily for build testing.
[14:14] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: the just uploaded kernel it seems to be supporting mtd again
[14:14] <GrueMaster> ok.  I'll "try" to add it to my todo list this week.  bear in mind that the hotel network is very slow.
[14:14]  * rsalveti needs coffee
[14:15] <ogra> GrueMaster, the WI doesnt depend on bugs though, close it, upgrade testing is in the works
[14:15] <ogra> (we'll nag you about it anyway :P )
[14:15] <ogra> no need to have a workitem
[14:16] <GrueMaster> Ok, one item (upgrade path) checked off.
[14:16] <GrueMaster> based on beagle.
[14:17] <ogra> right
[14:17] <ogra> indeed we want tests until the issue is fixed, but imho the workitem is fulfilled with that
[14:17] <ogra> dyfet, how about your 4 items ?
[14:17] <GrueMaster> I plan on running upgrade tests at least weekly when possible.
[14:18] <ogra> right
[14:18] <dyfet> I am going to get together with mpointer later today on the i2c kernel issue,  yesterday I was also busy with kdebindings
[14:19] <ogra> is there any chance you get that done for beta ? (including all the freeze exceptions you will need for it) ?
[14:19] <ogra> you are very behind on that
[14:19] <dyfet> I am going to try
[14:19] <ogra> k
[14:20]  * ogra sees persia is still polishing springs :)
[14:20] <ogra> persia, will you get the lintian checker ready in time ?
[14:21] <ogra> (and what about liquid)
[14:21] <persia> last test run didn't complete successfully, but it's nearly ready to start getting published results.  Getting arbitrary developer access to the lab might or might not make beta, depending on sysadmin time to roll out somewhere accessible.
[14:22] <ogra> well, you couls just store it on people
[14:22] <persia> liquid has been blocked in my mind on something else, but that's taking way too long, and based on discussions with Ian, I'll try to push it sooner (although getting it right benefits from the prior block)
[14:23] <persia> The lab is ~80GB.  I don7t really want to put that on people :)
[14:23] <persia> results will certainly be posted there to start.
[14:23] <ogra> well, the machine has 160G free :)
[14:24] <ogra> anyway, lets move
[14:24] <persia> other space is reserved anyway ;)
[14:24] <ogra> NCommander isnt here to report about the two remaining items he has
[14:24] <persia> [TOPIC] Kernet status
[14:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernet status
[14:25] <persia> lag, Feel like going first?
[14:25] <lag> Sure
[14:25] <lag> * Marvel (mvl-dove)
[14:25] <lag>    * MISC     : Brad helped to merge the Marvell Dove LSP 5.3.2 sync'ed branch into 'mvl-dove' - smoke tested OK
[14:25] <lag>  * Freescale (fsl-imx51)
[14:25] <lag>    * FIXED    : B615722 missing a patch to switch low power mode only support in mc13892 2.0a
[14:25] <lag>  * Texas Instruments (ti-omap)
[14:25] <lag>    * ON GOING : B591941 original author sent a patch to try - it does work but introduces another problem
[14:26] <lag>    * ON GOING : B608266 mtdblockXYZ are now mapped by the kernel and published in user space - mobile team to test
[14:26] <lag>    * ON GOING : B608279 the EDID is readily accessible from user space with i2c-tools - mobile team test and report
[14:26] <lag>    * ON GOING : B605488 more testing in progress - still no sign
[14:26] <lag>    * PATCH    : B588243 received a patch from linux-omap which fixed this issue - waiting for upstream review
[14:26] <lag>    * MISC     : Still waiting for TI OMAP4 (official) release - pre-release reviewed and comments provided to TI
[14:26] <lag> ..
[14:26] <lag> GrueMaster: Any news from Marvel?
[14:26] <ogra> for bug 608279 we really only need one final test
[14:27] <GrueMaster> Uh, mike is at Marvel.
[14:27] <lag> GrueMaster: Do you know who's dealing with the bug which bricked the boards?
[14:27] <ogra> lag, thats not marvel
[14:27] <GrueMaster> That was Freescale.
[14:27] <lag> Yes, that one
[14:27] <lag> Any news as yet?
[14:27] <ogra> lag, and its cooloney
[14:28] <lag> Thanks - I'll grab him when he's next on
[14:28] <ogra> lag, should be fixed since a while, but i'm not sure its uploaded already
[14:28] <lag> Do we know what the issue was?
[14:28] <ogra> lag, yes, missing patches from a BSP update apparently
[14:29] <lag> Okay, thanks
[14:29] <lag> ..
[14:29] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2010-April/010256.html
[14:29] <ogra> fyi
[14:30] <ogra> anything else for kernel ?
[14:30] <persia> mpoirier and cooloney seem absent, so we'll skip them
[14:30] <ogra> looks like the NAND issues were fixed
[14:30] <ogra> by mpoirier
[14:31] <persia> [TOPIC] QA Status
[14:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status
[14:31] <GrueMaster> Not much new to report.
[14:31] <GrueMaster> oem-config is still broken.
[14:31] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: were you able to test the panda es2 kernel?
[14:31] <GrueMaster> Has been sincepost A3.
[14:31] <persia> GrueMaster, How much do we care about the three bugs highlighted?
[14:31] <ogra> should we probably pull the buglist into the QA topic ?
[14:32] <ogra> instead of directly next to the workitem tracker stuff
[14:32] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: not yet.  I started an update on ES1 yesterday.  It is still going.
[14:32] <persia> I think the buglist is more status than necessarily QA.
[14:32] <ogra> hmm, k
[14:32] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: ok
[14:32] <ogra> it somewhat drowns in the workitem stuff
[14:32] <persia> Could add a different buglist related to subscriptions or tags or something though.
[14:32] <GrueMaster> persia: Those bugs were targeted for A3.  That's why they were listed.
[14:33] <ogra> GrueMaster, i'm talking about the other buglist from above
[14:33] <ogra> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/canonical-mobile-assigned-bug-tasks.html
[14:33] <persia> ogra, It does, but it also completely fails to highlight the bugs that are interesting, rather listing the ones assigned to some folk.
[14:33] <ogra> well, it showed me a good amount of bugs i had forgotten about
[14:34] <ogra> rsalveti, thanks for taking the rootstock one ;)
[14:34] <rsalveti> ogra: :-)
[14:34] <ogra> persia, it also shows that we all need to assign 10% of our bugs to GrueMaster, he has not a single item on that list :P
[14:35] <GrueMaster> Ok, I'm confused.  I thought persia was referring to the bugs targeted for Alpha 3 on the meeting wiki.
[14:35] <GrueMaster> Hey!  I create them, not fix them.
[14:35] <ogra> GrueMaster, no, these shouldnt have been copied ...
[14:35] <persia> GrueMaster, I was referring to those in my query to you.  I was referring to the link ogra posted in my critique of the buglist.
[14:36] <persia> For the QA status, I'&d much prefer to see a list of GrueMaster's favorite bugs in need of squashing.
[14:36] <ogra> btw, looking at that list, is the beagle still showing OOMs for ureadahead ?
[14:36] <ogra> persia, agreed, we should have the above list under "Bug Status" or some such
[14:36] <GrueMaster> Not sure, let me check.
[14:37] <GrueMaster> yes, it is.
[14:37] <ogra> hmm, k
[14:37] <GrueMaster> With today's image.
[14:37] <ogra> i dont get any on the panda
[14:37] <persia> ogra, Letting it get lost in workitems works for me.  I think it represents a useless subset of the bugs that are interesting, and fails to include a significant number of interesting bugs.
[14:38] <ogra> persia, its a generic team status
[14:38] <ogra> specific bugs should go under QA indeed
[14:38] <ogra> but the list helps seeing whats rotting around on LP
[14:38] <rsalveti> ogasawara: yep, I'm working on the ureadahead issue
[14:38] <rsalveti> argh
[14:38] <rsalveti> ogra: ^
[14:39] <ogra> heh
[14:39] <rsalveti> was testing with the bootchart with different tracing memory values
[14:39] <GrueMaster> Unfortunately it doesn't list unassigned bugs.
[14:39] <rsalveti> but doesn't change a thing, so will just disable it for systems with less than 512 mb
[14:39] <ogra> GrueMaster, feel free to provide such a list in the QA section ;)
[14:40] <rsalveti> consumes 128mb for the first time, and every time you update something at /etc/init
[14:40] <ogra> wow
[14:40] <rsalveti> but only while generating the pack file
[14:40] <ogra> thats really crackful
[14:40] <rsalveti> yep
[14:40] <ogra> it should fail gracefully if it detects to less ram
[14:41] <ogra> though i guess Keybuk never tested on low spec systems :)
[14:41] <rsalveti> ogra: yep, that's how I'm changing it now
[14:41] <rsalveti> will probably send the debdiff today
[14:41] <ogra> anyway, we got distracted :)
[14:41] <rsalveti> yep
[14:41] <rsalveti> :-)
[14:41] <GrueMaster> ogra: I'm talking with marjo about creating a query for it.
[14:41] <persia> Right.
[14:41]  * ogra hands the stage back to persia 
[14:41] <persia> [TOPIC] Porting Status
[14:41] <MootBot> New Topic:  Porting Status
[14:41] <persia> dyfet, Where are we today?
[14:42] <dyfet> Right now I am working through python-qt/kdebindings issues
[14:43] <dyfet> and this is more a qreal=float and some casting alignment issues specific to armel
[14:45] <persia> [TOPIC] Image status
[14:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Image status
[14:45] <persia> ogra, any updates beyond that above?
[14:45] <ogra> images look really bad due to oem-config not starting
[14:46] <rsalveti> is this still happening with today's image?
[14:46] <ogra> yep
[14:46] <ogra> just tested
[14:46] <rsalveti> ouch :-)
[14:46] <ogra> i'm finidng that dbus doesnt seem to run
[14:46] <ogra> but no idea why yet
[14:47] <ogra> thats all for images
[14:48] <persia> Anyone have anything else?
[14:48] <ogra> any idea how to make oem-config start again would indeed be appreciated
[14:48]  * ogra has nothing 
[14:48] <ian_brasil> want to give you an update on kubuntu mobile/liquid..kubuntu mobile default settings is in REVU and I filed FFe for both this and updating the plasma shell which were granted by ScottK..
[14:48] <GrueMaster> I plan on filing a bug on omap4 about the SD I/O performance as soon as I can do some testing.
[14:48] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: nice, it's really very slow
[14:49] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: I plan to run some benchmarks later, so we can compare with beagle and etc
[14:50] <GrueMaster> Cool.
[14:50] <ian_brasil> sorry..thought that was the any other business part of the meeting..i will continue lurking for a while
[14:50] <ogra> ian_brasil, no, you were perfectly fine
[14:50] <GrueMaster> Anyone have an alpha 3 image currently running?  I want to know what the cpu count is in /proc/cpuinfo.
[14:51] <ogra> GrueMaster, 0 and 1
[14:51] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: board?
[14:51] <GrueMaster> Ok, the new kernel fails then.
[14:51]  * ogra has no image running but knows that
[14:51] <GrueMaster> ES1
[14:51] <GrueMaster> Only showing 1 cpu atm.
[14:51] <ogra> GrueMaster, you mean it has no SMP ?
[14:51] <GrueMaster> right
[14:51] <ogra> check the config
[14:51] <ogra> might be an oversight
[14:51] <persia> ian_brasil, Thanks for the update.  I'll upload them (if someone else doesn't) my tomorrow.
[14:52] <ian_brasil> we are modifying the seed as well to not depend on kdelibs (whilst it still does not build) so that we can start building images
[14:52] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: 0 and 1 at my es1
[14:52] <persia> Cool.
[14:52] <ogra> ian_brasil, i belive dyfet works on fixing that
[14:52] <Riddell> ian_brasil: you mean not depend on kdebindings?
[14:52] <ogra> should be done soon
[14:52] <GrueMaster> config looks good.
[14:53] <ogra> GrueMaster, SMP is enabled ?
[14:53] <GrueMaster> yes.
[14:53] <ian_brasil> Riddell: yes
[14:53] <ogra> GrueMaster, strange
[14:53] <persia> Anyway, things beyond this are probably best discussed in other channels.
[14:54] <persia> #endmeeting
[14:54] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 08:54.
[14:54] <ogra> thanks
[14:54]  * ogra forgot at what a relaxing speed you can have meetings
[16:00]  * persia peers about
[16:00] <cjwatson> hi
[16:01] <coolbhavi> hello persia cjwatson
[16:01] <iamfuzz> hello all
[16:01] <czajkowski> ogra: you can chair the meeting after highvoltage for EMEA so
[16:02] <soren> o/
[16:03] <cody-somerville> Hello
[16:05] <cjwatson> that sounds like quorum.  whose turn is it to chair?
[16:06] <soren> Probably mine, but I know that I will be interrupted a couple of times over the next hour, so I wouldn't do very well.
[16:09] <cjwatson> can somebody volunteer?  I can also foresee a couple of interruptions
[16:10]  * geser is still busy at the university, so won't volunteer
[16:11]  * persia is 50% asleep
[16:11] <persia> #startmeeting
[16:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:11. The chair is persia.
[16:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:11] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[16:11] <persia> [TOPIC]  ubuntu-server-dev LP team
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:   ubuntu-server-dev LP team
[16:11] <persia> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2010-July/000090.html
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2010-July/000090.html
[16:12] <persia> mathiaz doesn't seem to be about: do we need him, or can someone else stand in?
[16:12]  * stgraber waves (sorry was caught in meetings)
[16:13] <soren> persia: He was around earlier. Maybe we can wait until he turns up again.
[16:13] <cjwatson> I'm not sure we necessarily need mathiaz if the DMB is managing the package set
[16:13] <cjwatson> er the team
[16:13] <persia> To ask differently, does anyone have unresolved questions about this request?
[16:14] <soren> persia: I do not.
[16:14] <cjwatson> I have none, mathiaz is a core-dev anyway so it isn't granting him any extra permissions, and the ubuntu-server package set is already in existence
[16:14] <cjwatson> so I don't see a problem with having a team associated with it
[16:14] <persia> [VOTE] confirm the ubuntu-server-dev LP team
[16:14] <MootBot> Please vote on:  confirm the ubuntu-server-dev LP team.
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[16:15] <cjwatson> +1
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[16:15] <stgraber> +1
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[16:15] <soren> +1
[16:15] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[16:15] <persia> +1 : This was one of the original set identified in the archive-reorg spec, and ought get done
[16:15] <MootBot> +1 received from persia. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[16:15] <cody-somerville> +1
[16:15] <MootBot> +1 received from cody-somerville. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[16:16] <persia> geser, ?
[16:17] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[16:17] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[16:17] <persia> [ACTION] mathiaz to transfer ownership of ~ubuntu-server-dev to the DMB
[16:17] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mathiaz to transfer ownership of ~ubuntu-server-dev to the DMB
[16:18] <persia> [ACTION] cjwatson to grant ~ubuntu-server-dev upload access to the ubuntu-server packageset
[16:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to grant ~ubuntu-server-dev upload access to the ubuntu-server packageset
[16:18] <persia> [TOPIC] MOTU Application for Bhavani Shankar
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU Application for Bhavani Shankar
[16:18] <persia> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bhavani_Shankar/MOTUApplication
[16:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bhavani_Shankar/MOTUApplication
[16:18] <coolbhavi> o/
[16:21] <persia> coolbhavi, Could you comment on some of the things that you feel have changed since you last came before us?
[16:22] <coolbhavi> persia, I have worked on hard at different type of bugs
[16:22] <coolbhavi> than the last time I think
[16:22] <cjwatson> [~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu-server: done]
[16:22] <persia> cjwatson, Thank you
[16:23] <coolbhavi> and of course my package mobile-broadband-provider-info
[16:23] <coolbhavi> wherein I respond quickly
[16:23] <coolbhavi> and work with upstream on incorporating features
[16:24] <coolbhavi> of user requests
[16:24] <cjwatson> ikonia: if you're around, would you care to elaborate on the comment you left on coolbhavi's application?
[16:24] <cjwatson> (I haven't checked whether it's new since the last time)
[16:27] <cjwatson> coolbhavi: I've found it curious that you tend to continue working on merges well after Debian import freeze; could you comment on this, and indicate when you plan to move to other things for maverick?
[16:28] <coolbhavi> cjwatson, yes now m concentrating more on bug triage and ftbfs fixing
[16:29] <cjwatson> how do you assess the relative risks associated with merging / not merging a given upload from Debian?
[16:30] <coolbhavi> cjwatson, it varies some fixes bugs affecting ubuntu too some incorporates new features and addons affecting ubuntu users too
[16:31] <coolbhavi> and I always look at the debian package and its changes before merging
[16:31] <coolbhavi> to look for the same
[16:32] <ikonia> cjwatson: ping
[16:33] <cjwatson> ikonia: ...
[16:33] <ikonia> cjwatson: you summond
[16:33] <cjwatson> ikonia: with a question :)
[16:33] <ikonia> I believe you wanted me to comment on the comment I made on the application ?
[16:34] <ikonia> is it ok to interupt, or I can wait until an appropriate time
[16:34] <cjwatson> right, I don't know how current it is, and perhaps there are more specifics you can offer
[16:34] <persia> ikonia, Go ahead
[16:34] <ikonia> (not been following the conversation)
[16:36] <ikonia> it was simpley a request to review coolbhavi's work in detail, there have been legacy issues with some of coolbhavi's other projects (started but never completed/not completed to solid standard) and other minor incidents of using other peoples work as his own, I'd like to make sure this isn't the case in his motu work (I've not been following his application so I don't know the current input )
[16:36] <ikonia> I should point out that this is legacy
[16:39] <cjwatson> ok, I've also seen some issues with uncredited patches and the like, and Artur pointed out something similar; my own experience is that, from the set of things that have made it to my desk, coolbhavi seems to have improved on this
[16:39] <cjwatson> but I think it's worth a reminder that it's not OK to use patches without appropriate credit
[16:39] <ikonia> I've actually got an incident on another project where credit was false
[16:40] <cjwatson> how was that dealt with?
[16:40] <ikonia> eg: the comment in the script said "re-written by coolbhavi" but when I diff'd the original script there was no changes
[16:40] <coolbhavi> cjwatson, I have improved a lot on that regard
[16:40] <ikonia> it wasn't, I regret not bringing it up at the time, which is why I thought it appropriate to mention it now
[16:40] <ikonia> it is legacy and I don't want to say this is still going on, but I would like it checked
[16:41] <coolbhavi> ikonia, that was when I started using linux 4 years back
[16:41] <ikonia> moral ethics is different to technical ability
[16:41] <coolbhavi> and I didnt know what was open source stuff at that time
[16:42] <ikonia> but that's just a lie
[16:42] <ikonia> saying you re-wrote something when you didn't
[16:42] <coolbhavi> and popey guided me
[16:42] <ikonia> that's nothing to do with open source
[16:42] <coolbhavi> I agree that thing
[16:42] <ikonia> well, I'm raising it to be aware, as these packages will be used to represent ubuntu, hence why I'm referencing it
[16:42] <coolbhavi> but I have changed a lot
[16:43] <coolbhavi> n give due credits now
[16:43] <ikonia> telling lies is nothign to do with being new to linux, taking credit is nothing to do with linux, if others are happy this is not an issue, then I have no issue, but I am raising it for checking
[16:43] <coolbhavi> ex ncrypt sru to lucid
[16:44] <coolbhavi> where I gave credits to felix dreher
[16:44] <cjwatson> so, I don't quite know what to do here; comments about dishonesty worry me greatly, but at the same time I recognise that people change as they grow up and I prefer it if rejections can have a reason that can be rectified
[16:44] <ikonia> cjwatson: exactly, this is legacy, I'm not saying it's current, I just want it to be checked as these packages represent ubuntu
[16:44] <cjwatson> I agree entirely that this has nothing to do with being new to Linux; though I'm not sure I'd want to meet my 19-year-old self
[16:45] <coolbhavi> for providing a patch
[16:45] <coolbhavi> and as I have said
[16:45] <cjwatson> one of the problems with the internet, your mistakes hang around forever
[16:45] <ikonia> cjwatson: no-one is perfect at all, which is why if no-one else has an issue that this is a problem, then I am more than happy, but I would not be happy with myself if I didn't raise it and let it slide, as I did with issues at the time
[16:45] <cjwatson> as I said I've certainly noticed an upward trend in Bhavani's accreditations
[16:45] <persia> I think it's good that the issue be raised, but that we ought proceed based on the work (considering that we may want to check the origins of the work).  Much of MOTU work involves pulling patches from others, especially in merge&sync, which represents the vast majority of coolbhavi's work, so it ought be clear.
[16:45] <tazz> Hello sorry for intruding, i am an op from #ubuntu-in , coolbhavi could you please explain what seems to be russian translations ? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/mutt/+pots/mutt/bg/+filter?person=bhavi
[16:45] <coolbhavi> I have come a long way in rectifying myself
[16:46] <cjwatson> ikonia: agreed, and thank you for raising it; I followed up because I felt it should be looked into
[16:46] <tazz> i am in a state similar to ikonia
[16:46] <coolbhavi> tazz thats upstream translation import
[16:46] <cjwatson> tazz: I haven't checked the details, but note that translations can sometimes end up getting credited to uploaders
[16:46] <ikonia> persia: cjwatson that's exactly it, I'm not bringing this up to pull coolbhavi over the coals on this, I just want to be confident about the current content contributions
[16:46] <cjwatson> I myself occasionally get mail from people who think I'm a Bulgarian translator
[16:47] <cjwatson> it's an artifact of how Launchpad glues everything together
[16:47] <tazz> oh ok... we have had no current issues with coolbhavi in that case :)
[16:47] <coolbhavi> and I have been true to myself now in the MOTU contributions
[16:47] <cjwatson> ok, I have no further questions
[16:48] <persia> I've a couple translations in languages I don't know forwarded (as unreviewed) from submitted bug reports, and there's no clear way to indicate credit when performing such data copies.
[16:48] <coolbhavi> as I said i have improved a lot in contributing as a member of the team
[16:49] <persia> coolbhavi, Your two most recent endorsements both seem to suggest that in some cases you miss some details.  How will you ensure that this doesn't continue once your work is no longer reviewed by peers prior to upload?
[16:49] <persia> (you've improved massively, but these are from <17 days ago)
[16:50] <coolbhavi> persia, I ll cut down from my contributions and
[16:50] <coolbhavi> concentrate hard on nullifying those
[16:51] <coolbhavi> another example of the same is MOTU science and electronics related packages
[16:51] <cjwatson> Daniel's comment does suggest to me that just slowing down a bit would help
[16:51] <coolbhavi> cjwatson, yes I have slowed down now
[16:51] <persia> Anyone else have questions?
[16:52] <stgraber> nope
[16:52] <soren> nope
[16:53] <persia> [VOTE] Confirm Bhavani Shankar as MOTU
[16:53] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Confirm Bhavani Shankar as MOTU.
[16:53] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[16:53] <ikonia> actually I have a question
[16:53] <ikonia> apologies
[16:53] <ikonia> never mind
[16:53] <coolbhavi> and you can look at my emu8051 package in debian where I gave credits to pierre ferrari
[16:53] <coolbhavi> for work in ubuntu
[16:54] <coolbhavi> wrt the package
[16:54] <ikonia> may I ask before the vote ?
[16:54] <persia> ikonia, Sure, as we seem to be slow
[16:54] <ikonia> cool,
[16:55] <ikonia> coolbhavi: you've been involved in a lot of things in ubuntu looking at your wiki page, a lot of the projects you've worked on have either had nothing really happen, or you've moved on to the next thing,
[16:55] <ikonia> what makes being an MOTU different than all the other contributions you've picked up / put down
[16:56] <coolbhavi> ikonia, as a MOTU I ll definitely try to cut down on my mistakes created earlier and work hard enough to contribute to the team
[16:57] <coolbhavi> to the best of my spirits
[16:58] <ikonia> that's not what I asked
[16:58] <ikonia> I asked what's different about the MOTU process that suggests you'll not pick it up/ put it down when the next hot contribution topic comes along
[16:58] <ikonia> (to be more clear)
[16:58] <cody-somerville> +0
[16:58] <MootBot> Abstention received from cody-somerville. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
[16:59] <coolbhavi> MOTU status means that you have that added responsibility on you and ll work hard in improving my contributions
[17:00] <coolbhavi> of course I have made a mistake
[17:00] <ikonia> other projects you worked on had responsability
[17:00] <coolbhavi> but I am more dedicated now
[17:00] <ikonia> what is different about MOTU that suggests you will stick with it, rather than put it down as other projects to move onto the next buzz project/contribution
[17:01] <cjwatson> I suggest that these may be unanswerables right now; perhaps (assuming we say yes) we should revisit in six months to see how it's going?
[17:01] <coolbhavi> MOTU is a huge responsibiliity as I said n I ll make my
[17:01] <coolbhavi> contributions to the best of my effort
[17:02] <ikonia> I'll leave it there as your answering a different question as to the one I'm asking
[17:02] <coolbhavi> from my side and not go away
[17:02] <ikonia> thank you
[17:02] <persia> OK.  Let7s have the rest of the votes.
[17:02] <soren> +1
[17:02] <MootBot> +1 received from soren. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:02] <bilalakhtar> can a non-sponsor comment?
[17:02] <bilalakhtar> comment, not vote
[17:03] <cjwatson> +1 but I'd like to revisit in a few months to see how it's going, as above
[17:03] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:03] <persia> +0 : The recent work is vastly better, but I'm concerned that there are still rough edges that could be smoothed (and not convinced that other mechanisms of peer review will be used when there is uncertainty)
[17:03] <MootBot> Abstention received from persia. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:03] <cjwatson> bilalakhtar: yes, but you're getting a bit late :)
[17:03] <stgraber> +0
[17:03] <MootBot> Abstention received from stgraber. 2 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:03] <persia> geser, ?
[17:04] <bilalakhtar> I would like to say, coolbhavi has been tireless in fixing FTBFSs and merging/syncing. He has also reviewed my merges/syncs really well!
[17:04] <persia> [ENDVOTE]
[17:04] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 2
[17:04] <coolbhavi> as bilalakhtar says and most of my sponsors say I have worked on improving a lot
[17:05] <bilalakhtar> I'm sorry coolbhavi I came a bit late
[17:05] <coolbhavi> and its sad that I couldnt make it through after years of dedicated effort
[17:06] <cjwatson> (remind me what 2 for 3 abstained translates to?)
[17:07] <persia> That's a bit tricky.  I believe we're six, which means it either translates to "Deferred" or "Pending another vote", depending on whether 3 is sufficient with 6 of us.
[17:07] <coolbhavi> n my contributions have not been validated anyways I ll reapply next time
[17:07] <cjwatson> Richard is still technically on the DMB
[17:07] <persia> then it's "Pending more votes", and goes to email.
[17:09] <persia> [ACTION] persia to call for remaining votes for coolbhavi's application
[17:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to call for remaining votes for coolbhavi's application
[17:09] <coolbhavi> as I said i slowed down drastically
[17:09]  * persia needs to stop meeting, and seeks another volunteer to be chair, to continue the meeting
[17:10] <coolbhavi> sorry persia
[17:10] <cjwatson> I guess I can
[17:10] <persia> (I'll still do minutes, etc, but just can't focus on the screen well right now)
[17:10] <persia> cjwatson, Thanks.
[17:10] <bilalakhtar> coolbhavi: have you slowed down because of M-o-M being down?
[17:10] <persia> #endmeeting
[17:10] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:10.
[17:10] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[17:10] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:10. The chair is cjwatson.
[17:10] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:10] <coolbhavi> bilalakhtar, I am concentrating on more diverse stuff
[17:11] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] MOTU Application for Brian Thomason
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  MOTU Application for Brian Thomason
[17:11] <cjwatson> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrianThomason/MOTUApplication
[17:11]  * iamfuzz waves
[17:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrianThomason/MOTUApplication
[17:11] <ikonia> thanks for the oppertunity to comment
[17:11] <coolbhavi> ikonia, thanks for your comments
[17:12]  * stgraber has to go, I've already (hardly) been following the last 30 mins on my cell but I really have to go now. sorry
[17:14] <stgraber> the n900 is great but slightly too small for long meetings :)
[17:14] <MiketheMagiCat> Help, I am an idiot, I installed Ubuntu after uninstalling the Ubuntu program I had.  It had a broken link and I could not get online.  It would not concect me.  But a screenn popped up and said I had to choose a program to open it up, and I chose Internet Explorer.  Now I can't find the file.
[17:14] <MiketheMagiCat> Could somone tell me what I did wrong?
[17:14] <cjwatson> MiketheMagiCat: we're in a meeting here - could you please take this to #ubuntu
[17:14] <MiketheMagiCat> I am a beginnOh I am sorry
[17:15] <cjwatson> iamfuzz: I don't know how much this is relevant or commentable-on, but can you comment on how you feel you would do partner packages differently given your experience in MOTU?
[17:15] <cjwatson> er, in working on applying for MOTU
[17:16] <cjwatson> I vaguely remember in the past there were some things that we didn't fix because of commercial constraints
[17:16] <iamfuzz> cjwatson, for most, there's not much I can do different
[17:16] <iamfuzz> exactly, we get what we get sometimes
[17:16] <iamfuzz> however, going down this path has taught me a few new tricks
[17:16] <iamfuzz> and made me press the vendors even more to better package their wares
[17:17] <iamfuzz> one example I can think of is trying to get Alfresco to split up their 170+ JARs into separate packages
[17:17] <iamfuzz> that hasn't gone too well though :-)
[17:17] <cjwatson> I wonder if some Ubuntu developers would benefit from the same kind of presentation of packaging technology that you need to make to vendors
[17:17] <iamfuzz> Partner packaging can be quite tricky, and is (usually) an altogether different beast
[17:17] <cjwatson> I've noticed there are a few different mindsets involved
[17:18] <iamfuzz> In some cases in multiverse it might be helpful
[17:18] <iamfuzz> some similar overlap with the junk (I mean packages :-) ) there
[17:20] <cjwatson> I'm particularly pleased to see work on universe security, but have no further questions
[17:20] <cjwatson> anyone else?
[17:21] <iamfuzz> I've actually enjoyed that.  I dabbled ina  little bit of everything just to get a good overview of everything, but I think that is where I will focus as a MOTU, if confirmed
[17:21] <iamfuzz> that and maintain a couple of packages I have interest in seeing in Ubuntu
[17:22]  * cody-somerville has to go now too.
[17:22]  * geser is finally at home but has to leave in a few minutes again
[17:22] <cjwatson> can we complete this vote first?
[17:22] <cjwatson> let's move to a vote now
[17:23] <cjwatson> [VOTE] Confirm Brian Thomason as MOTU
[17:23] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Confirm Brian Thomason as MOTU.
[17:23] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[17:23] <cjwatson> +1
[17:23] <MootBot> +1 received from cjwatson. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:24] <cody-somerville> hmm....
[17:25] <cody-somerville> lots of great endorsements but they're all from Canonical employees and a number of them are from archive admins
[17:25] <iamfuzz> indeed, it's mostly who i worked with
[17:25] <cjwatson> I can understand the former as an objection but am not sure why the latter is bad
[17:25] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, because the interaction appears to be from his work on partner
[17:26] <iamfuzz> Jamie was my mentor originally, then Dustin took over
[17:26] <cody-somerville> *in
[17:26] <jdstrand> fwiw, I commented primarily on his work with universe security
[17:26] <iamfuzz> not entirely, no, but I'm certainly not arguing that's where the vast majority of my uploads have gone
[17:27] <jdstrand> i reviewed far more security updates for iamfuzz than partner packages
[17:27] <cody-somerville> iamfuzz, Do you interact with the MOTU community? How often? Do you have any good examples of your collaboration with the MOTU community?
[17:27] <iamfuzz> cody-somerville, yes, but again, most of this is to do with Partner bugs
[17:28] <geser> does the uploading to partner differ much compared to the main/universe? regarding processes, freezes, etc.
[17:28] <cody-somerville> geser, very much so
[17:28] <iamfuzz> geser, yes, Partner is never frozen
[17:28] <iamfuzz> there is no updates pocket, etc..
[17:28] <iamfuzz> it's like a multiverse that never closes
[17:28] <cody-somerville> iamfuzz, so why do you want MOTU? is there a particular set of packages you're interested in?
[17:28] <cody-somerville> (outside of partner)
[17:29] <iamfuzz> cody-somerville, there's one in particular I wish to maintain, reconstructor-engine
[17:29] <cjwatson> also partner starts out empty for a new release
[17:29] <iamfuzz> we wish to move alfresco-community into universe as well
[17:29] <iamfuzz> which i would maintain as well
[17:29] <iamfuzz> I also rather enjoy monitoring and merging security patches from Debian in unvierse
[17:30] <bilalakhtar> iamfuzz is making bilalakhtar happy
[17:30] <geser> how familiar are you with the main/universe processes like merging, syncing or freezes and freeze exceptions?
[17:30] <iamfuzz> openbravo as well should eventually be moved to universe and I will maintain that as well
[17:30] <iamfuzz> geser, pretty familiar, I perform an SRU update to app-install-data=partner regularly
[17:31] <iamfuzz> I have requested a couple of syncs and done quite a few normal merges
[17:31] <iamfuzz> I have yet to request a freeze exception as nothing I have had has warranted it
[17:34] <cjwatson> can those who have not voted please make a decision?  this meeting is moving excruciatingly slowly
[17:34] <geser> +1
[17:34] <MootBot> +1 received from geser. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:35] <cody-somerville> -1 - PPU seems more reasonable at this time; apparent lack of involvement in MOTU community. No doubt about abilities but concerned about giving the appearance of streamlining Canonical employees.
[17:35] <MootBot> -1 received from cody-somerville. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:35] <soren> -1 I also don't feel there's enough integration with the MOTU team as a whole.
[17:35] <MootBot> -1 received from soren. 2 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
[17:36] <cjwatson> [ENDVOTE]
[17:36] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 2 against. 0 abstained. Total: 0
[17:36] <cjwatson> can't pass.  Sorry, iamfuzz - hopefully this gives some direction on what you need to do next?
[17:36]  * bilalakhtar feels sorry for iamfuzz 
[17:37] <iamfuzz> cjwatson, I guess so, I honestly feel I've done more than enough to show myself capable of handling MOTU, but it is what it is
[17:37] <cody-somerville> I think you're capable of handling MOTU as well.
[17:38] <cody-somerville> But there is a social/communal component of the MOTU applicant that you didn't satisfy
[17:38] <iamfuzz> perhaps so, though most of my work comes from the quasi-commercial side where I interact daily
[17:38] <iamfuzz> but you guys are the arbiters, I'm not here to argue
[17:38] <iamfuzz> I appreciate your time
[17:39] <cody-somerville> iamfuzz, I sincerely hope that you rectify the points mentioned above and come back so that we can grant you MOTU because we all really want to.
[17:39] <cjwatson> Artur Rona is next on the agenda, but is not here; he said he'd be here at 1700 UTC, but that's after when we really ought to have finished
[17:39] <iamfuzz> cody-somerville, I certainly will
[17:39] <cjwatson> perhaps we will need to schedule a special meeting for him
[17:40] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Contributing Developer application for Angel Abad
[17:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Contributing Developer application for Angel Abad
[17:40] <cjwatson> angelabad: hi
[17:40]  * geser has to leave, sorry
[17:40] <angelabad> Hi cjwatson !
[17:40] <cjwatson> oh, damn, we just lost quorum
[17:40] <cjwatson> perhaps we can continue discussion and finish by mail though
[17:41] <cody-somerville> I have to go as well.
[17:41] <angelabad> ops...
[17:41]  * soren too
[17:42] <cjwatson> argh, can't really continue on my own!  persia seems to have gone to sleep
[17:42] <cjwatson> [ACTION] cjwatson to initiate discussion of different meeting times
[17:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cjwatson to initiate discussion of different meeting times
[17:43]  * soren welcomes such a discussion
[17:43] <cjwatson> angelabad: I'm sorry, we're going to have to come back to this at a later time.  If that's a pain for you, please e-mail developer-membership-board@lists.ubuntu.com and we'll work something out
[17:43] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[17:43] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:43.
[17:43] <cjwatson> persia: all yours for minutes
[17:44] <bilalakhtar> another meeting gone down because of no quorum...
[17:44] <cjwatson> I think we've just generally found that this time sucks for too many people, which is why I took an action to discuss some different times, in frustration
[17:45] <angelabad> cjohnston, but, do you know when? or in the next meeting?
[17:45] <angelabad> cjwatson,  but, do you know when? or in the next meeting? sorry
[17:46] <cjwatson> angelabad: by default, the next meeting in a fortnight, and like I say if that sucks for you then e-mail us and we may be able to arrange something different
[17:46] <cjwatson> e.g. a special meeting, or something by e-mal
[17:46] <cjwatson> *e-mail
[17:47] <angelabad> cjwatson, ok, thanks I will e-mail you later.
[17:52] <ari-tczew> is meeting open?
[17:53] <smb> clock here says in around 7 minutes
[17:53] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: DMB meeting - started two hours ago and thus just finished.  I did wonder about the time you gave in the wiki, but you weren't there when I noticed
[17:54] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: would you like us to schedule a special meeting for you?  we have somebody else who may need one as well
[17:54] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: if so, please e-mail convenient times to developer-membership-board@lists.ubuntu.com and we can try to sort something out
[17:54] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: when is next meeting?
[17:54] <cjwatson> two weeks
[17:54] <ari-tczew> oficial
[17:55] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: so I'm going to apply next meeting, maybe then I'll got a time
[18:00] <SpamapS> o/
[18:00] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: I have an action to revisit the times; if we change them, we'll mail you
[18:00] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: it appears that 1500 UTC is not very good for many people on the board
[18:01] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: do you suggest earlier or later hour?
[18:01]  * ogasawara gets ready to kick off the kernel team meeting
[18:01] <lag> o/
[18:01] <smb> \o
[18:01]  * apw looks interested
[18:01] <ogasawara> #startmeeting
[18:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:01. The chair is ogasawara.
[18:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[18:01] <jjohansen> \o
[18:02] <ogasawara> #
[18:02] <ogasawara> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:02] <ogasawara> #
[18:02] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] ARM Status (lag)
[18:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Status (lag)
[18:02] <lag> * Marvel (mvl-dove)
[18:02] <lag>    * MISC     : Brad helped to merge the Marvell Dove LSP 5.3.2 sync'ed branch into 'mvl-dove' - smoke tested OK
[18:02] <lag>  * Freescale (fsl-imx51)
[18:02] <lag>    * FIXED    : B615722 missing a patch to switch low power mode only support in mc13892 2.0a
[18:02] <lag>  * Texas Instruments (ti-omap)
[18:02] <lag>    * ON GOING : B591941 original author sent a patch to try - it does work but introduces another problem
[18:02] <lag>    * ON GOING : B608266 mtdblockXYZ are now mapped by the kernel and published in user space - mobile team to test
[18:02] <lag>    * ON GOING : B608279 the EDID is readily accessible from user space with i2c-tools - mobile team test and report
[18:02] <lag>    * ON GOING : B605488 more testing in progress - still no sign
[18:02] <lag>    * PATCH    : B588243 received a patch from linux-omap which fixed this issue - waiting for upstream review
[18:02] <lag>    * MISC     : Still waiting for TI OMAP4 (official) release - pre-release reviewed and comments provided to TI
[18:02] <lag> ..
[18:02] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: I'm not sure, it will depend on what works better for people.  we have a large timezone spread (US, EU, JP).  Anyway, we're now intruding on the kernel meeting apparently
[18:03] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:03] <ogasawara> [18:03] <ogasawara>  * 4 linux kernel bugs (up 2)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (no change)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 0 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (down 1)
[18:03] <ogasawara> [18:03] <ogasawara>  * 23 linux kernel bugs (down 2)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs (down 2)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 0 linux-ec2 bugs (no change)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 2 linux-mvl-dove bugs (no change)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 2 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[18:03] <ogasawara>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[18:03] <ogasawara> [18:03] <ogasawara>  * 14 blueprints
[18:03] <ogasawara> *** NOTE: This listing includes HWE Blueprints***
[18:04] <ogasawara> [18:04] <ogasawara>  * https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on
[18:04] <ogasawara>  * Breakdown by status:
[18:04] <ogasawara>    http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[18:04] <ogasawara> ..
[18:04] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-apparmor (jjohansen)
[18:04] <jjohansen> Very little change, a few post merge fixups, and a few minor patches to user side tools
[18:04] <jjohansen> ..
[18:05] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)
[18:05] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts (tgardner)
[18:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts
[18:05] <tgardner> The Maverick LTS backport to Lucid is tracking the Maverick kernel in the kernel-ppa at http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu
[18:05] <tgardner> ..
[18:05] <ogasawara> tgardner: do we need to keep this bp on the list each week
[18:05] <ogasawara> tgardner: seems like it's on cruise control now
[18:05] <tgardner> not as far as I'm concerned
[18:05] <tgardner> agree about cruise control
[18:06] <ogasawara> [ACTION] bjf to drop kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts from agenda
[18:06] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bjf to drop kernel-maverick-new-kernel-on-lts from agenda
[18:06] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)
[18:06] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel (jjohansen)
[18:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-pv-ops-ec2-kernel
[18:06] <jjohansen> pv-on-hvm has been postponed to M+1, there was not going to be an AMI to support the CC in Maverick so it made no sense to push it in.  Instead we are going to roll a kernel PPA including pv-on-hvm for testing purposes.
[18:06] <jjohansen> Bug 574910 - high load averages.  Appears to be mostly phantom load + possible a few other bugs piling on.  Reverting commit 0d843425672f4d2dc99b9004409aae503ef4d39f seems to clean it up.  Though we haven't seen user report success back with the test kernel.
[18:06] <jjohansen> Bug 606373 - not bug 554172 or bug 431103 related.  Need to poke at it more.
[18:06] <jjohansen> Bug 613273 - has not been replicated or happened again
[18:07] <jjohansen> ..
[18:07] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:07] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bug-handling
[18:07] <ogasawara> Nothing new this week.
[18:07] <ogasawara> ..
[18:07] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)
[18:07] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-upstart (apw)
[18:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-upstart
[18:08] <apw> Nothing to report, not sure there is anything realy left to report on either.
[18:08] <apw> ..
[18:08] <ogasawara> apw: drop from the agenda?
[18:08] <apw> works for me
[18:08] <ogasawara> [ACTION] bjf drop kernel-maverick-upstart from the agenda
[18:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bjf drop kernel-maverick-upstart from the agenda
[18:08] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:08] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprint: kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation (cking)
[18:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-maverick-bios-test-automation
[18:08] <ogasawara> cking's on vacation
[18:08] <ogasawara> ..
[18:09] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Maverick (ogasawara)
[18:09] <ogasawara> Our Maverick kernel is now rebased on v2.6.35.2 and uploaded as linux-2.6.35-16.22.  Please test.
[18:09] <ogasawara> Maverick Beta is Thurs Sept 2nd, ie ~2weeks away.  Also, keep in mind that Kernel Freeze is Thurs Sept 16th, ie ~4weeks away.  Remember after Kernel Freeze, we transition to our SRU policy in order to apply patches.
[18:09] <ogasawara> We are above our Beta burn down chart's trend line and dangerously close to being above the trend line overall for the first time.  I realize most of the remaining tasks are not release critical but don't wait till the last minute to close them out.
[18:09] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[18:09] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10-beta
[18:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[18:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone ubuntu-10.10-beta
[18:09] <ogasawara> ..
[18:10] <pgraner> ogasawara, +1 on that
[18:10] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (smb)
[18:10] <smb> ||                   || Upd./Sec.     || Proposed      || TiP || Verified    ||
[18:10] <smb> || Dapper: Kernel    || 2.6.15-55.86  ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || Hardy:  Kernel    || 2.6.24-28.73  ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || Jaunty: Kernel    || 2.6.28-19.62  ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || Karmic: Kernel    || 2.6.31-22.61  ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || =       mvl-dove  || 2.6.31-214.29 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || =       fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-112.28 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || =       ec2       || 2.6.31-307.16 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || Lucid:  Kernel    || 2.6.32-24.39  || 2.6.32-24.40  ||   0 ||  0/ 3       ||
[18:10] <smb> || =       mvl-dove  || 2.6.32-207.21 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || =       fsl-imx51 || 2.6.31-608.15 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || =       ti-omap   || 2.6.33-502.9  ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> || =       ec2       || 2.6.32-308.14 ||               ||     ||             ||
[18:10] <smb> Proposed kernels for Hardy, Jaunty, Karmic and Lucid-fsl-imx51 waiting to be
[18:11] <smb> accepted into proposed.
[18:11]  * smb wonders whether a friendly nudge on cjwatson would help. :)
[18:11] <smb> ..
[18:11] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:11] <ogasawara> 252 Maverick Bugs (up 19)
[18:11] <ogasawara> 886 Lucid Bugs (down 246)
[18:11] <ogasawara> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:12] <ogasawara> [18:12] <ogasawara>   * 126 maverick bugs (up 8)
[18:12] <ogasawara>   * 157 lucid bugs (down 69: to be converted to regression-release)
[18:12] <ogasawara> [18:12] <ogasawara>   * 35 lucid bugs (down 7)
[18:12] <ogasawara>   * 6 karmic bugs (no change)
[18:12] <ogasawara>   * 4 jaunty bugs (no change)
[18:12] <ogasawara>   * 1 hardy bug (no change)
[18:12] <ogasawara> [18:12] <ogasawara>   * 155 lucid bugs (down 26)
[18:12] <ogasawara>   * 39 karmic bugs (down 5)
[18:12] <ogasawara>   * 18 jaunty bugs (down 1)
[18:12] <ogasawara>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[18:12] <ogasawara> [18:12] <ogasawara>   * 3 lucid bugs (no change)
[18:12] <ogasawara>   * 1 karmic bug (no change)
[18:12] <ogasawara> ..
[18:12] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:13] <ogasawara> The next bug day will be next Tuesday. We will be focusing on bugs with patches attached with an effort toward preparing them for review by the team to see if they have been addressed in kernel updates or if they need to be sent to the list for consideration. We will continue to have the Team Bug Day to address the Top 50 list as half days on Friday and Monday, as these seem to be working out very well. Reviewers, please
[18:13] <ogasawara>  take a look at your needs-review lists and help us keep the process moving.
[18:13] <ogasawara> ..
[18:13] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)
[18:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)
[18:13] <ogasawara> I spent a bit of time this past week running the expire script. We expired about 1600 bugs from the incomplete list and I hope to run the script early next week to see if there are any more that can be expired.
[18:13] <_KAMI_Hungary> Hi when the Hugarian meeting will start?
[18:14] <ogasawara> I've not had the chance to work further with chazn85 the past 2 weeks, but I hope to link back up next week.
[18:14] <ogasawara> ..
[18:14] <ogasawara> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:15] <ogasawara> _KAMI_Hungary: no idea, maybe check the fridge
[18:15] <apw> _KAMI_Hungary, the next meeting is a loco meeting, in 2:45
[18:16] <ogasawara> k, I think we're done here for the kernel meeting.
[18:16] <ogasawara> thanks everyone
[18:16] <ogasawara> #endmeeting
[18:16] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:16.
[18:16] <jjohansen> thanks ogasawara
[18:16] <kamal> thanks ogasawara
[18:16] <apw> whistle stop indeed
[18:17] <smb> ogasawara, thanks
[18:18] <cjwatson> smb: have been (a) on holiday (b) holding off on update processing until 10.04.1 is done
[18:19] <smb> cjwatson, (b) if for lucid. (a) ok, thought you had been back
[18:19] <cjwatson> just since Monday
[18:19] <smb> cjwatson, ok, so I should stop whining
[18:56] <kirkland> o/
[18:56] <smoser> o\
[18:56] <hallyn> o/
[18:56] <sommer> hey all ;-)
[18:57] <SpamapS> oo//
[18:57] <hggdh> ~ô~
[18:57] <jjohansen> \o
[18:57] <jiboumans> o.O
[18:58] <hallyn> hggdh is striking a pose?
[18:58] <hggdh> no, swimming with a cap
[18:59] <SpamapS> Anybody mising?
[18:59] <SpamapS> or missing
[18:59] <mathiaz> o/
[18:59] <SpamapS> o_
[18:59]  * SpamapS stares at the dock clock...
[19:00] <SpamapS> #startmeeting
[19:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:00. The chair is SpamapS.
[19:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:00] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[19:00] <SpamapS> everyone to pick 1 or 2 papercuts for the beta cycle
[19:01] <zul> hello
[19:01] <SpamapS> Anybody know that they failed to do that?
[19:01] <SpamapS> Oh and Hi
[19:01] <SpamapS> welcome to the server team meeting
[19:01] <SpamapS> The agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[19:01] <SpamapS> Apologies for jumping the gun.
[19:01] <jiboumans> SpamapS: there's still 2 up for grabs, i have an agenda item for it later
[19:02] <SpamapS> Alright, will defer that to jib later
[19:02] <SpamapS> * zul to continue clean up the SRU assigne list by prodding people on status
[19:02] <zul> done
[19:03] <SpamapS> excellent. I looked at it a few minutes ago, and the situation actually looks tenable now, though it seems we need to plow through some of the unassigned SRU's now.. ;)
[19:03] <SpamapS> * SpamapS to finalize and send ruby gems proposal to ubuntu-devel
[19:04] <SpamapS> I asked for some advice from a few DD's before sending it, and have decided on submitting it as an "Important" bug against rubygems in Debian, and CC'ing ubuntu-devel.
[19:04] <SpamapS> [ACTION} SpamapS to submit rubygems change proposal as Important bug in Debian and CC ubuntu-devel
[19:04] <MootBot> ACTION received: [ACTION} SpamapS to submit rubygems change proposal as Important bug in Debian and CC ubuntu-devel
[19:05] <SpamapS> * ttx to send email about 10.04.1 release process to server team
[19:05] <SpamapS> ttx isn't present, but I think I recall the email was sent, yes?
[19:05] <jiboumans> done
[19:05] <jiboumans> i updated the agenda to reflect that
[19:06] <SpamapS> Ahh, refreshing right before the meeting is a good idea. :)
[19:06] <SpamapS> Ok, moving on..
[19:06] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Maverick development (jib)
[19:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick development (jib)
[19:06] <jiboumans> o/
[19:06]  * SpamapS tosses the ball to jiboumans 
[19:06] <jiboumans> So, this far into the cycle we should be around 40% completion
[19:07] <jiboumans> in most cases however, we're not and there's several high prio specs even at 0%
[19:07] <jiboumans> I listed them here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[19:07] <SpamapS> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[19:07] <jiboumans> and there's 3 I wanted to specifically talk about
[19:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.10-beta.html
[19:07] <jiboumans> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-uec-testing
[19:07] <jiboumans> hggdh, kirkland: do you have an update on this?
[19:08] <jiboumans> are there other things preventing us from knocking items off the list?
[19:08] <hggdh> jiboumans: Dustin just set a new revision -- 1231 to build that WIll Correct All Errors
[19:08] <hggdh> r1230 did not really get it done
[19:08] <kirkland> jiboumans: i just updated that spec, assigning a bunch of work items to me
[19:08] <hggdh> as soon as it lands I will start on it
[19:08] <kirkland> jiboumans: those will probably need reassigning, or dropping though
[19:08] <SpamapS> 1231 WCAE FTW
[19:09] <jiboumans> hggdh: that's great, but that's just 1 item on the list
[19:09] <hggdh> oh
[19:09] <kirkland> jiboumans: i'm testing the r1231 here now (shortly)
[19:09] <kirkland> jiboumans: on local hardware of smoser's
[19:09] <kirkland> one thing of note ...
[19:09] <jiboumans> kirkland: are any of the items on that list 'nice to have', or do we need to knock them all off?
[19:09] <kirkland> r1231, while only 1 top level revision, involves ~20 sub-revisions all merged together
[19:10] <kirkland> jiboumans: have not looked closely enough to say
[19:10] <jiboumans> kirkland: ok, let's take that offline; with beta freeze around the corner and no testing items completed yet, i'm a tad worried though
[19:10] <jiboumans> moving on: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-upstart-conversion
[19:10] <jiboumans> zul, the status says it's blocked on reviews. can you give us an update on that?
[19:11] <zul> jiboumans: i havent talked to anyone since last week...ill try to nudge it forward this week
[19:12] <jiboumans> zul: so we're still blocked on reviews then? if so, let's chekc in later this week and see if we need to escalate
[19:12] <zul> jiboumans: yes...sure
[19:12] <SpamapS> action?
[19:12] <jiboumans> action to have it dislodged by next meeting
[19:12] <jiboumans> (for zul)
[19:12] <jiboumans> hggdh: the other spec on your plate is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-qa-workflow
[19:13] <jiboumans> you mentioend before that depending on the uec testing load, that might not make it
[19:13] <jiboumans> hggdh: any updated thoughts on that?
[19:13] <hggdh> jiboumans: really did not have time to look at it
[19:13] <SpamapS> [ACTION] zul to nudge forward upstart script review process
[19:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to nudge forward upstart script review process
[19:13] <hggdh> many code drops on Euca, continuously
[19:13] <jiboumans> hggdh: does that mean it should be dropped from maverick?
[19:13] <hggdh> jiboumans: I think so
[19:14] <jiboumans> hggdh: go ahead and mark the work items 'postponed' thne please
[19:14] <jiboumans> a request to everyone else; your completion rate should be near 40% now. if you're not and you have any concerns about being able to complete your specs, please bring it up over mail or during our 1:1 this week
[19:15] <hggdh> jiboumans: doing it now
[19:15] <jiboumans> this week is about the last time we can reasonable adjust expectations, so get in touch
[19:15] <jiboumans> spamaps: that's it for me on this topic
[19:15] <SpamapS> Alright, moving on
[19:15] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[19:16] <kirkland> hggdh: do you think you'll get some test time on r1231 today/tomorrow?
[19:16] <jiboumans> hggdh: i'm quite curious to hear about the UEC testing progress
[19:16] <hggdh> kirkland: as soon as it is built I will start on the beast
[19:16] <kirkland> hggdh: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eucalyptus/2.0~bzr1231-0ubuntu1/+build/1923013
[19:16] <kirkland> hggdh: currently says it'll build in 49 minutes
[19:17]  * mathiaz cheers at hggdh for helping out in 10.04.1 UEC testing
[19:17]  * kirkland hugs mathiaz for his 10.04.1 work!
[19:17]  * SpamapS high fives everybody for 10.04.1
[19:17] <hggdh> jiboumans: I do hope this will be the one
[19:18] <SpamapS> Anything else for QA?
[19:18] <jiboumans> hggdh: of course. have we closed any open issues with the previous releases?
[19:18] <hggdh> jiboumans: very few. The critical issues are still open (or reopened)
[19:18] <jiboumans> hggdh: so it's fair to say we're roughly at the same stage as last week?
[19:19] <hggdh> jiboumans: yes, it is a fair statement
[19:19] <jiboumans> hggdh: ok, excellent thanks for the update
[19:19] <jiboumans> notihng more from me
[19:19]  * SpamapS signals to hggdh that jjohansen is open for a pass
[19:20] <SpamapS> anyone else?
[19:20] <hggdh> a heads up from QA
[19:20] <hggdh> we are starting to look into bugs that are tagged regression-*
[19:20] <hggdh> and I will start to nudge those related to the server team
[19:21] <hggdh> (that is, of course, having time ;-)
[19:21] <SpamapS> hggdh: I've got cycles specifically for bug fixing during this cycle.. so feel free to hunt me down before I get too wrapped up in random bugs.
[19:21] <hggdh> SpamapS: my hero!
[19:21]  * SpamapS blushes
[19:21] <hggdh> and I am done for now
[19:22] <SpamapS> Alright, much love for yo hggdh, moving on...
[19:22] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen)
[19:22] <jjohansen> so still lots of bugs
[19:22] <SpamapS> jjohansen: there's this bug, in ec2, btw, where the load is high while idling. Had you heard?
[19:22] <jjohansen> Bug 574910 - is mostly phantom load
[19:23] <jjohansen> I am going to go with the test kernel we have up currently, and SRU it.  We will close the bug, and have people still experiencing issues open new bugs
[19:23] <jjohansen> basically there is a lot of piling on happening in that bug
[19:24] <jjohansen> And there are different issues.
[19:24] <Omahn> Would it be possible for someone from the kernel team to review this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/iotop/+bug/493156
[19:24] <jjohansen> Omahn: I'll stick it on my todo list
[19:24] <Omahn> jjohansen: Thanks, having that option enabled in LTS would be very useful to us.
[19:25] <jiboumans> jjohansen: so is it fair to summarize that the load display is wrong, and there's not an actual high load?
[19:25] <jjohansen> no promises that it will make it through SRU though
[19:25] <SpamapS> [ACTION] jjohansen to review bug 493156
[19:25] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jjohansen to review bug 493156
[19:26] <jjohansen> jiboumans: generally yes.  I have done a lot of testing and this has been the case
[19:26] <smoser> hooray!
[19:26] <jjohansen> this does not mean there are not other issues
[19:26] <jiboumans> jjohansen: that's not a bad outcome actually
[19:26] <jiboumans> of course
[19:26] <jjohansen> but we can get new clean bugs to deal with them
[19:26] <ulysses> o/
[19:26] <Dyth> o/
[19:27] <jjohansen> questions?
[19:27] <SpamapS> jjohansen: * pv-ops kernel status update
[19:27] <jjohansen> still buggy.
[19:27] <zul> hehe
[19:27] <jjohansen> Bug 606373 - didn't turn out to be related to either of the guessed bugs
[19:28] <smoser> jjohansen you were going to discuss today with pgraner and others a cut-off date (of sorts) for falling back to -ec2
[19:28] <smoser> (a solution that nobody wants)
[19:28] <jjohansen> As things work with out an initrd, it should be easy to track down, it will just take some time
[19:29] <jjohansen> smoser: I will discuss, but there is no guarentee that the -EC2 kernel won't be worse.  In fact last time I had it up it was
[19:29] <smoser> right. but we need to have some plan in place. and you're skillful black magic has made -ec2 function in the past, so I have somewhat more confidence in it.
[19:30] <jjohansen> The majority of our current bugs look fix able.  The corruption bug 613083 is the worrying one
[19:30] <smoser> better the devil you know ...
[19:31] <jjohansen> smoser: your assuming that a maverick -EC2 kernel is the devil you know
[19:31] <smoser> agreed.
[19:31] <jjohansen> its not
[19:31] <smoser> oh, i know.
[19:31] <SpamapS> the only devil I know is zul + 3 red bulls
[19:31] <jjohansen> yikes, now that is frightening
[19:31] <zul> i still dont want to get involved with this ;)
[19:32] <SpamapS> Ok, anything else for jjohansen/the kernel team?
[19:32] <jjohansen> I have one other thing
[19:32] <jjohansen> We are going to make the pv-on-hvm drivers available in a ppa for testing purposes.
[19:32] <jjohansen> ..
[19:33] <SpamapS> Do you have the location of that PPA yet?
[19:33] <jjohansen> SpamapS: no I haven't set it up yet.
[19:34] <SpamapS> Alright, thanks jjohansen.. moving on to documentation..
[19:34] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[19:34]  * SpamapS lobs the ball toward sommer
[19:35] <sommer> hello, got a bunch of server guide bugs fixed this morning
[19:35] <SpamapS> sommer: ^5
[19:35] <sommer> so things are going pretty smooth, should have time to work on some new content this week as well
[19:36] <sommer> don't really have much else
[19:36] <sommer> at this time anyway
[19:36] <SpamapS> Alright, anybody have questions for sommer, other than "How do you find the time to do such an amazing thing for us?!"
[19:36] <mathiaz> sommer: what are the main release milestone documentation wise for maverick?
[19:37] <mathiaz> sommer: *milestones*
[19:37] <sommer> mathiaz: probably mainly bug fixes, but I'd like to get a puppet section in as well
[19:37] <sommer> I can update the blueprint for that
[19:38] <mathiaz> sommer: any relevant freezes coming up?
[19:38] <mathiaz> sommer: if so - when?
[19:38] <sommer> mathiaz: Sept 9 is String Freeze
[19:39] <sommer> mathiaz: but I've sent an email to mdke about dropping the ubuntu-serverguide package... so hopefully there will be some discussion on the doc list
[19:40] <sommer> mathiaz: if we only have HTML and PDF formats we could technically update whenever we'd like... but for translators we may want to do once a month updates or something
[19:41] <SpamapS> sommer: I'd be in support of that. Most people are probably reading the server guide on the web 99% of the time.
[19:41] <sommer> SpamapS: yeppers, I'll copy the server ml with any replies to that thread
[19:42] <SpamapS> Great! Anything else for documentation?
[19:42] <SpamapS> Ok, kim0 seems unresponsive, so I'll skip the community team update for now..
[19:43] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Papercuts status (jib)
[19:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Papercuts status (jib)
[19:43] <jiboumans> So most bugs are assigned, but there's 2 left for grabs
[19:43] <jiboumans> looking for volunteers for: bug 582963 & bug 601803
[19:43]  * mathiaz took 601803
[19:44] <mathiaz> zul: is assigne to bug 582963
[19:44] <jiboumans> excellent
[19:44] <mathiaz> zul: seems like the best candidate?
[19:44] <mathiaz> zul: are you planning on working on the papercut?
[19:44] <zul> mathiaz: probably
[19:45] <zul> mathiaz: the ssl one is not exactly a papercut
[19:45] <SpamapS> How is it a High bug in apache2, but only medium in papercuts?
[19:45] <marianom> czajkowski: hi!.I already sent our application to the loco council email address
[19:45] <jiboumans> if it's not a papercut, let's remove it
[19:46] <SpamapS> marianom: Hi! This is the ubuntu server team meeting at the moment. Wrong window perhaps?
[19:46] <czajkowski> marianom: great thre is a meeting on here now, and the LC doesn't meet for another hour
[19:47] <jiboumans> zul: action on you to figure out if that's papercut worthy
[19:47] <jiboumans> if it is, please take it. if not, let's remove it from the papercuts list
[19:47] <zul> jiboumans: yep
[19:47] <jiboumans> the last thing is a reminder:
[19:47] <jiboumans> betafreeze is next week thursday
[19:47] <SpamapS> [ACTION] zul to review papercut status of bug 582963
[19:47] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to review papercut status of bug 582963
[19:47] <jiboumans> your papercut(s) should probably be fixed by then
[19:48] <jiboumans> so please keep that in mind
[19:48] <jiboumans> ok, that's all from me
[19:48] <SpamapS> Excellent thanks. Has anyone spoken with kim0 before I move on to open discussion?
[19:49] <SpamapS> I suspect he may be involved with some 10.04.1 revelry in Cairo. We'll move on then.
[19:49] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[19:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[19:49] <jiboumans> mathiaz: could you give us the 2 line summary of 10.04.1?
[19:50] <mathiaz> for server: all tests completed
[19:50] <mathiaz> we're good to go as far as -server isos are concerned
[19:50] <mathiaz> thanks hggdh for helping out with UEC testing
[19:50] <jiboumans> anything looking like it could be blocking / remain unresolved?
[19:50] <mathiaz> we're running into an issue with wubi though
[19:51] <SpamapS> mathiaz: wubi for server?
[19:51] <mathiaz> see #ubuntu-release to get your fix of real TV
[19:51] <andreserl> In the Cluster Stack, we still waiting for MIRs. We are hold up by Pacemaker. ivoks said he would review it and fix whatś necessary to request MIR. However, it seems he hasn done it yet
[19:51] <mathiaz> SpamapS: nope - for ubuntu desktop
[19:51] <SpamapS> ah ok
[19:51] <hggdh> mathiaz: my pleasure
[19:51] <mathiaz> jiboumans: wubi is currently the blocker
[19:52] <jiboumans> mathiaz: excellent, thanks for the update
[19:52] <mathiaz> if anyone has a windows system, help in debugging/testing is welcome
[19:53] <mathiaz> hop in #ubuntu-release to help out
[19:53] <mathiaz> that's all on the 10.04.1 front
[19:54] <SpamapS> Alright, so that should be it then, going once.. going twice..
[19:55] <SpamapS> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[19:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[19:55] <SpamapS> Tuesday 2010-08-24 at 1800 UTC
[19:55] <SpamapS> right here in #ubuntu-meeting
[19:55] <SpamapS> Thanks everyone!
[19:55] <jiboumans> thanks all
[19:55] <SpamapS> #endmeeting
[19:55] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:55.
[20:30] <Dyth> Narwhal \o/
[20:30] <Narwhal> :)
[20:34] <Apoth> hi
[20:36] <Dyth> Apoth: \o/
[20:36] <Apoth> Dyth, |o/
[20:42] <Andphe> o/
[20:43] <andresmujica> oe Andphe o/
[20:43] <Andphe> hi there :)
[20:54] <lukibeni> hy all
[20:54] <malev> hi
[20:55] <sumesz> hi ppl
[20:56] <outwork> good evning
[20:56] <paultag> hey all
[20:57] <nixternal> wasabi... paultag is there a link to the agenda? my daughter and i have plans in a few and wanted to see where Chicago stands on the list of 'reapprovals'
[20:57] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:57] <paultag> nixternal: roger. We can bump you if we need to
[20:57] <paultag> nixternal: sec, let me get url
[20:57] <paultag> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:57] <popey> slowpaul is slow
[20:57] <popey> :)
[20:58] <paultag> nixternal: 6th in line, your call, chief :)
[20:58] <paultag> popey: oh noes!!
[20:58] <nixternal> you guys plan on doing 6 today?
[20:58] <paultag> yeah
[20:58] <paultag> we've done a lot of review work before now, and this is just a review
[20:58] <nixternal> jeesh, i have yet to be on a council that can do 6 of anything in 2 hours :p
[20:58] <czajkowski> evening
[20:58] <paultag> nixternal: :)
[20:59] <nagaraja> hi good evening to all
[20:59] <viky> hi
[20:59] <nagaraja> it midnight 1.30am in India
[20:59] <paultag> hey nixternal
[20:59] <YoBoY> hi
[20:59] <paultag> erm nagaraja
[20:59] <mneptok> nixternal: every council i know can have disagreements in ~17 seconds. :)
[20:59] <andresmujica> hi all
[20:59] <paultag> mneptok: we do too ;)
[20:59] <marquinos> Hi! :)
[20:59] <czajkowski> ok will start in a moment
[20:59] <nixternal> micahg and myself are here...the rest of the gang is afk enjoying summer, or working of course...or probably still sleeping
[20:59] <mneptok> s/diasgreements/6\ disagreements/
[20:59] <nixternal> chicago is lazy this time of year, or busy doing other things
[21:00]  * micahg is working :)
[21:00] <paultag> nhandler: PROD, lazy
[21:00] <paultag> nixternal: I'm sure nhandler is here :)
[21:00] <nixternal> micahg: I know what you do is really not work :p
[21:00] <nixternal> paultag: actually he just left, or he got grounded
[21:00] <paultag> Hahahahaha
[21:00] <itnet7> ;-)
[21:00] <nixternal> he texted me 30 minutes ago saying he was leaving
[21:00] <SergioMeneses> hi :)
[21:00] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:00. The chair is czajkowski.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:01] <czajkowski> Aloha and welcome to the LoCo Council meeting, running order will be in the order of the Agenda
[21:01] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[21:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[21:01] <czajkowski> popey: paultag leogg itnet7  are we all ready
[21:01] <paultag> czajkowski: yes ma'am
[21:01] <itnet7> yes'm
[21:01] <czajkowski> lovely jubbly lets get started
[21:01] <hollman> [idea]
[21:01] <MootBot> IDEA received:
[21:01] <leogg> yep
[21:01] <czajkowski> aplogies from huats
[21:01] <hollman> just testing ..
[21:02] <paultag> hollman: please play with mootbot in pm
[21:02] <czajkowski> hollman:please don't :)
[21:02] <czajkowski> [topic] Update from action items from last meeting
[21:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Update from action items from last meeting
[21:02] <czajkowski> Nopopey to create pdfs of successful team re approvals as examples to help teams
[21:02] <czajkowski> huats to set up a sample new wiki page for applications and to kick off email for loco council to work on
[21:03] <czajkowski> we've no huats today so will postpone his till next meeting
[21:03] <czajkowski> popey: any updae on your action item ?
[21:03] <popey> gah, dropped off my radar
[21:03] <popey> added back to todolist
[21:03] <popey> sorry
[21:03] <czajkowski> [action] popey to create pdfs of successful team re approvals as examples to help teams
[21:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  popey to create pdfs of successful team re approvals as examples to help teams
[21:03] <czajkowski> np
[21:03] <czajkowski> grand thats our Agenda part covered now for re approvals and approvals
[21:04] <czajkowski> [topic] Colombia Team  Re Approval
[21:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Colombia Team  Re Approval
[21:04] <czajkowski> so who's from Colombia here tonight ?
[21:04] <andresmujica> Hi everyone
[21:04] <paultag> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval2010
[21:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval2010
[21:04] <andresmujica> there're some ubuntu colombia teammates around
[21:04] <andresmujica> o/
[21:04] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam
[21:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam
[21:05] <czajkowski> [link] http://www.ubuntu-co.com/
[21:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ubuntu-co.com/
[21:05] <SergioMeneses> i'm
[21:05] <SergioMeneses> o/
[21:05] <andresmujica> that's out main wiki page, our official site and our reapproval wiki
[21:05] <czajkowski> can I just say what a a FANTASTIC re approval Application that is
[21:05] <Andphe> o/
[21:05] <czajkowski> just WOW
[21:05] <andresmujica> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval2010
[21:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/TeamReApproval2010
[21:05] <paultag> I love the logo
[21:05] <czajkowski> andresmujica: we have that
[21:05] <andresmujica> nice logo yes,
[21:06] <GuillermoC> o/
[21:06] <czajkowski> andresmujica: see above paultag posted it
[21:06] <andresmujica> it was done by the community on a contest
[21:06] <KaOSoFt> I'm from Colombia.
[21:06] <czajkowski> andresmujica: care to tell us about your loco so please ?
[21:06] <czajkowski> how have you grown in the 2 years since your first approval ?
[21:07] <andresmujica> At this moment the colombia team is on a transition, hollman our former contact and leader has stepped down after a really great work
[21:07] <andresmujica> since our first approval.
[21:07] <hollman> o/
[21:07] <paultag> andresmujica: I see you have one missed objective -- can you tell us about what you did and why it failed?
[21:08] <paultag> no motivation / no resources?
[21:08] <andresmujica> About 6 months ago, under hollman initiative the concilio or council was formed between members of our community whom have work hard for Ubuntu.
[21:08] <andresmujica> paultag:  the objective we missed was referring about showing the pc clones manufacturers in our country that they can use Ubuntu
[21:09] <paultag> andresmujica: a great idea :)
[21:09] <andresmujica> as the OS for choice on their installments, however due to lack of resources and the well stablished piracy it wasn' t really possible
[21:10] <paultag> andresmujica: cool. Thanks
[21:10] <andresmujica> however we've done a lot of community work trying to touch the bases, i mean educating people on Ubuntu.
[21:10] <czajkowski> itnet7: popey leogg any other comments
[21:10] <popey> nope
[21:10] <andresmujica> Our community has grow exponentially and is still growing.
[21:11] <itnet7> not from me
[21:11] <leogg> andresmujica: can you tell us a bit more about the hacklabs? how do you organize them?
[21:11] <andresmujica> sure!
[21:11] <andresmujica> that's a great and nice initiative of one of our members
[21:11] <andresmujica> the idea is to choose a specific topic
[21:11] <andresmujica> on any tech area..
[21:12] <andresmujica> networking
[21:12] <andresmujica> kernel
[21:12] <andresmujica> php
[21:12] <andresmujica> apache
[21:12] <andresmujica> etc
[21:12] <andresmujica> and in a workshop
[21:12] <andresmujica> we work from the ground up to build using ubuntu something around the topic
[21:12] <andresmujica> a web server
[21:12] <andresmujica> a new kernel
[21:12] <andresmujica> etc..
[21:13] <czajkowski> any other comments from the Colombia TEam ??
[21:13] <leogg> andresmujica: do you rent the hack spaces?
[21:13] <andresmujica> community members use their contacts so we can get access to an university room or venues like that
[21:14] <andresmujica> normally we don't pay for them, just let people to get in and hack with us.
[21:14] <czajkowski> ok we'll vote now
[21:14] <leogg> really nice!
[21:14] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Colombia Team. Only LoCO COuncil members vote.
[21:14] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Please vote on the RE Approval of the Colombia Team. Only LoCO COuncil members vote..
[21:14] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:14] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:14] <czajkowski> +1
[21:14] <popey> +1
[21:14] <paultag> +1
[21:14] <czajkowski> excellent application
[21:14] <paultag> Keep up the great work, oustanding job
[21:14] <itnet7> +1
[21:14] <leogg> +1
[21:14] <itnet7> very good job
[21:14] <andresmujica> great!
[21:14] <paultag> [endvote]
[21:15] <paultag> czajkowski: prod
[21:15] <Andphe> \o/
[21:15] <leogg> congrats colombia! really great work!
[21:15] <hollman> \m/ thanks!
[21:15] <czajkowski> paultag: vote isnt over
[21:15] <Andphe> \o/
[21:15] <SergioMeneses> :D thanks :D
[21:15] <czajkowski> #endvote
[21:15] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:15] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:15] <paultag> :)
[21:15] <GuillermoC> :D
[21:15] <czajkowski> [agreed] Colombia Team re approved
[21:15] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Colombia Team re approved
[21:15] <popey> rocking!
[21:15] <paultag> Outstanding job, guys
[21:15] <luis_lopez> thanks loco council \o/
[21:15] <paultag> keep it up, grats
[21:15] <KaOSoFt> Congratulations, Colombia!
[21:15] <andresmujica> thanks paultag czajkowski leogg popey all of you!
[21:16] <paultag> andresmujica: thank YOU!
[21:16] <czajkowski> [topic] Hungary Team Re Approval
[21:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hungary Team Re Approval
[21:16] <leogg> thank you andresmujica!
[21:16] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam/ApprovalApplication2010
[21:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam/ApprovalApplication2010
[21:16] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam
[21:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam
[21:16] <paultag> toros: that's you!
[21:16] <toros> Hi! \o.
[21:17] <czajkowski> [link] http://ubuntu.hu//
[21:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntu.hu//
[21:17] <czajkowski> ok who's here from Hungary Team ?
[21:17] <kelemengabor> o/
[21:17] <ulysses> \o
[21:17] <czajkowski> toros: aloha there!
[21:17] <hajni> o/
[21:17] <Dyth> o/
[21:17] <hunmaat> \o
[21:17] <wantoo> o/
[21:17] <toros> .o/
[21:17] <czajkowski> THanks for coming folks.
[21:17] <paultag> heyya guys!
[21:17] <outwork> o/
[21:17] <lukibeni-HU> 0/
[21:17] <czajkowski> also very nice wiki page, LOVE PHOTOS! :)
[21:18] <Apoth-hu> \o
[21:18] <toros> thanks!
[21:18] <czajkowski> makes my day!
[21:18] <itnet7> very nice!
[21:18] <czajkowski> toros: so can you tell us about your team, and how you've grown in the last years please?
[21:19] <toros> hugely! :) We have now almost 18000 registered users on our site
[21:19] <czajkowski> impressive
[21:19] <toros> 7 ubuntu members (as far as I remember, 2 years ago we were only 3 or 4)
[21:19] <czajkowski> so how do you get people to know about your team ?
[21:19] <czajkowski> good
[21:20] <toros> Ubuntu is getting more and more popular in Hungary... even mainstream IT media covers it regularly
[21:20] <paultag> toros: can you talk a bit about the translation work your LoCo is involved with?
[21:20] <kelemengabor> I can :)
[21:20] <toros> and people check the ubuntu.hu site first, when they want to know more about ubuntu
[21:20] <czajkowski> so how does your team work, how are things shared out ?
[21:20] <paultag> kelemengabor: go ahead :)
[21:21] <toros> czajkowski: we have a core team who does most part of the work...
[21:21] <czajkowski> You do a lot of events, how do you find the time and getting people to help out.
[21:21] <kelemengabor> paultag: basically, we are in maintenance mode, so most of the Ubuntu software is already translated, we just need to keep it up
[21:21] <toros> and we try to involve other people on Bug Jams
[21:22] <czajkowski> Gotcha
[21:22] <czajkowski> toros: do you do any mentoring ?
[21:22] <toros> we organized events called Ubuntu Academy, where people could learn how to get involved in the loco
[21:22] <czajkowski> toros: oh you're going to have to tell us about that
[21:22] <toros> these are mixtures of presentations and jams
[21:23] <czajkowski> cool
[21:23] <leogg> toros: I love the fact that you do non-tech related stuff with the members of your LoCo... it's great for the cohesion of the group
[21:23] <toros> so we have presentations about how translation works, how our loco site works, etc.
[21:23] <czajkowski> toros: I'm looking on your main wiki and not seeing any team reports, do ye do them, as you do a lot of work so surely not shy of news?
[21:23] <paultag> +1 toros
[21:23] <kelemengabor> this is done by organizing translation events on Global Jams, to do the bigger chunks of work, and we coordinate actions via a wiki page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HungarianTeam/TranslationCoordination where we follow the status of the important packages
[21:23] <paultag> kelemengabor: awesome! Thanks!
[21:24] <toros> we have a team report for july...
[21:24] <czajkowski> toros: :) ok well hopefully will see more in the coming months will we :)
[21:24] <kelemengabor> so that team members can quickly see where is something to do
[21:24] <toros> czajkowski: we will :)
[21:25] <czajkowski> toros: Reports ++
[21:25] <czajkowski> toros: the stuff you do, you should share with people
[21:25] <itnet7> it helps to encourage others
[21:25] <czajkowski> exactly
[21:25] <czajkowski> they can see what others are doing it gives them ideas
[21:25] <czajkowski> ok I think we're ready to vote
[21:26] <popey> yup!
[21:26] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Hungary Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.
[21:26] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Please vote on the RE Approval of the Hungary Team. Only LoCo Council members vote..
[21:26] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:26] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:26] <paultag> +1
[21:26] <popey> +1
[21:26] <czajkowski> +1
[21:26] <leogg> +1
[21:26] <czajkowski> reports next month
[21:26] <itnet7> +1
[21:26] <paultag> toros: keep up the great work. kelemengabor keep up the outstanding translation work. REPORTS!!!
[21:26] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:26] <popey> \o/ woot!
[21:26] <itnet7> awesome job!!
[21:26] <czajkowski> [agreed] Hungary Team re approved
[21:26] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Hungary Team re approved
[21:27] <czajkowski> whooo
[21:27] <popey> more rocking teams!
[21:27] <toros> thank you! :)
[21:27] <hunmaat> \o/
[21:27] <Dyth> \o/
[21:27] <Apoth-hu> \o/
[21:27] <czajkowski> [topic] Indian Team Re Approval
[21:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Indian Team Re Approval
[21:27] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication
[21:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication
[21:27] <lukibeni-HU> \o/
[21:27] <kelemengabor> thanks, we try to do our best :)
[21:27] <czajkowski> bah
[21:27] <paultag> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication
[21:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication
[21:27] <Apoth-hu> byez
[21:27] <paultag> Oh Shoot!
[21:28] <nixternal> HAHAHA!
[21:28] <paultag> Hahahaha
[21:28] <czajkowski> ok their application is not there...
[21:28] <paultag> One sec
[21:28] <czajkowski> anyone from the Indian LoCO here?
[21:28] <paultag> let me search. Who's contact?
[21:28] <nixternal> I see the app
[21:28] <nagaraja> yes
[21:28] <viky> o/
[21:28] <paultag> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:28] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:28] <thangam_arun> yes
[21:29] <nagaraja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ReapprovalApplication
[21:29] <paultag> nagaraja: do you know the link on the agenda is broken?
[21:29] <paultag> nagaraja: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda <-- You're not South Africa!
[21:29] <nagaraja> please check the above link
[21:29] <nagaraja> yes
[21:29] <paultag> nagaraja: already posted it ;)
[21:29] <mneptok> paultag: it may not be broken. tectonic drift may have accelerated tremendously. ;)
[21:29] <paultag> mneptok: hahaha :)
[21:30] <paultag> The little known wiki-plates
[21:30] <paultag> so, nagaraja, tell us about your loco
[21:30] <nagaraja> our loco team consists of 121 active members
[21:31] <czajkowski> nagaraja: gotta say for 121 members that wiki application is rather poor
[21:31] <czajkowski> there is only 1 event listed for 2010 and nothing for previous years
[21:31] <nagaraja> we conduct various ubuntu awareness program in different colleges, schools and public events
[21:32] <nagaraja> please check our reapproval application in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ReapprovalApplication
[21:32] <nagaraja> i think our link is broken
[21:32] <czajkowski> sigh
[21:32] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ReapprovalApplication
[21:32] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam/ReapprovalApplication
[21:32] <czajkowski> this is like find the right wiki page :(
[21:33] <nagaraja> i had added our team in last column in agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[21:34] <nagaraja> Tamil nadu, India
[21:34] <czajkowski> nagaraja: are there team reports for 2010, I see you were doing them in 2009
[21:35] <nagaraja> we are inactive in this year in sending the team reports
[21:35] <czajkowski> nagaraja: has something changed?
[21:36] <nagaraja> i become the team contact only on this month to effective maintain our loco team,
[21:36] <czajkowski> what happened?
[21:36] <nagaraja> changed? what you mean
[21:37] <czajkowski> well team reports stopped in december 09 and it's august 10, just ye seemed really good at them
[21:38] <nagaraja> ya,, we just didnt send the team reports but we are active in conducting various ubuntu awareness programs and events
[21:38] <czajkowski> ok
[21:38] <nagaraja> we will update soon
[21:39] <czajkowski> nagaraja: so can you tell us your plan for the future, how do you plan to grow
[21:39] <czajkowski> plans for the future
[21:39] <nagaraja> ya sure
[21:39] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:39] <nagaraja> we plan to conduct ubuntu-India meeting at the end of this yea
[21:39] <nagaraja> year
[21:39] <nagaraja> plan to gather all ubuntu users at one place
[21:39] <nagaraja> in India,
[21:40] <czajkowski> nice idea
[21:40] <czajkowski> how goes the organising of that kind of event? do you have lots of helpers?
[21:41] <nagaraja> ya , we get helping hands from various open source organizations like ILUGC, NRCFOSS, JFC
[21:41] <viky> CSMIT
[21:41] <thangam_arun> also from FSF, Tamil Nadu
[21:41] <czajkowski> ok good to know I look forward to hearing future plans of this
[21:41] <czajkowski> so I think we're ready to vote
[21:41] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Indian Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.
[21:41] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Please vote on the RE Approval of the Indian Team. Only LoCo Council members vote..
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[21:41] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:41] <thangam_arun> +1
[21:41] <MootBot> +1 received from thangam_arun. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:42] <nagaraja> +1
[21:42] <MootBot> +1 received from nagaraja. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:42] <czajkowski> [endvote
[21:42] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:42] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 2
[21:42] <czajkowski> ok please stop voting
[21:42] <czajkowski> I've said LC council members vote only
[21:42] <czajkowski> you cant vote on your own team sorry
[21:42] <paultag> czajkowski: /mode #ubuntu-meeting +m
[21:42] <paultag> czajkowski: moderate them out
[21:42] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Indian Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.
[21:42] <paultag> +0
[21:42] <popey> +0
[21:43] <czajkowski> +0
[21:43] <itnet7> +0
[21:43] <paultag> I'm not convinced, not sure yet. I'd like to see you guys come back
[21:43] <leogg> +0
[21:43] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:43] <czajkowski> [agreed] At this time the LoCo council thinks it would be good to invite you back in a two months time with some more details
[21:43] <MootBot> AGREED received:  At this time the LoCo council thinks it would be good to invite you back in a two months time with some more details
[21:44] <nagaraja> sure thank you
[21:44] <czajkowski> [topic] Perú Team Re Approval
[21:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Perú Team Re Approval
[21:44] <nxvl> \o/
[21:44] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeruvianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeruvianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:44] <paultag> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeruvianTeam
[21:44] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeruvianTeam
[21:44] <xander21c> ;)
[21:45] <czajkowski> ok thanks for coming folks
[21:45] <xander21c> hi czajkowski
[21:45] <nxvl> btw, viperhoot is in final exams and couldn't make it to the meeting, yet
[21:46] <nxvl> so xander21c is representing and i'm being moral support :D
[21:46] <xander21c> thats right :)
[21:46] <czajkowski> xander21c: welcome and nxvl
[21:46] <czajkowski> xander21c: so can you tell us about your team please ?
[21:47] <xander21c> We are one of the most active teams in Peru, :)
[21:47] <xander21c> we are invited to almost every event produce in Perú
[21:47] <nxvl> even more active than the Plug
[21:48] <czajkowski> ok so how is it then in your events http://wiki.ubuntu-pe.org/eventos there is nothing listed for 2009
[21:48] <xander21c> also i organize our own event in order to get more people involve
[21:48] <czajkowski> xander21c: what do you mean your own event?
[21:48] <nxvl> czajkowski: we are bad documenting?
[21:49] <xander21c> yes ubuntu days and release parties http://picasaweb.google.com/xander21c
[21:50] <czajkowski> nxvl: a whole year of no events? or just not documenting them ?
[21:50] <czajkowski> kinda hard to look at your application
[21:50] <nxvl> czajkowski: the later
[21:50] <xander21c> wiki documenting I an issue will currently resolve if the incursion of new menbers
[21:51] <czajkowski> ok I think it would be best if we ask the Peru team to come back next month with their 2009 work Documented please
[21:52] <czajkowski> [agreed] Peru Loco to come back in September with 2009 Events documented
[21:52] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Peru Loco to come back in September with 2009 Events documented
[21:52] <xander21c> ok
[21:52] <czajkowski> xander21c: nxvl its just not possible to read your application right now without the information we need
[21:52] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:53] <czajkowski> [topic] New Mexico Team  Re approval
[21:53] <MootBot> New Topic:  New Mexico Team  Re approval
[21:53] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeamReApprovalApplication
[21:53] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeamReApprovalApplication
[21:53] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeam
[21:53] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeam
[21:53] <paultag> IIRC they asked to do this over the ML?
[21:53] <paultag> I could be wrong
[21:53]  * mneptok is here to represent the NM LoCo, and hopes that does nto adversely affect our application ;)
[21:53] <czajkowski> mneptok: no why would it
[21:54] <paultag> hahaha
[21:54] <paultag> mneptok: :)
[21:54] <mneptok> czajkowski: /whois mneptok ;)
[21:54] <mneptok> so, what can i tlel you about our LoCo and activities?
[21:54] <paultag> mneptok: I love the cloak, haha
[21:54] <mneptok> "tell," even
[21:55] <paultag> mneptok: good question. Tell us a bit about some of the best spots of your loco
[21:55] <paultag> what you see as the thing you take most pride in
[21:55] <mneptok> i have a bithmark shaped like Slovenia on my left arm. those kind of spots?
[21:55] <mneptok> well, we have release parties trwice per year that are well-attended.
[21:56] <mneptok> we also organize events statewide for Software Freedom Day
[21:56] <mneptok> (bot the ABQ team and folks out in Portales)
[21:56] <paultag> mneptok: TMI aside -- do you have some photos from these events?
[21:56] <mneptok> we have continued to work with EPC, and have kept their installation current and viable
[21:57] <mneptok> paultag: hrm, i may be able to dig up a Karmic photo. in general, we are too busy talking, laughing, and enjoying ourselves to run around snapping photos.
[21:57] <czajkowski> mneptok: trying to find any team reports do you do them>
[21:58] <mneptok> czajkowski: in the past month i have spent a total of 4 days not on the road at conferences. so ... no. :)
[21:58] <mneptok> we have also had booths at various trade shows in the ABQ area.
[21:58] <czajkowski> mneptok: when I say you, I mean your TEAM
[21:58] <czajkowski> as in TEAM REPORTS
[21:58] <paultag> mneptok: I see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMexicoTeam/Meetings
[21:59] <paultag> mneptok: weekly meetings? C'mon man! You can do team reports! :)
[21:59] <mneptok> czajkowski: i am in no way involved in team reports, and was asked only 4 hours ago to attend this meeting and represent us. so sorry, but i do not have that information at hand.
[21:59] <czajkowski> mneptok: no bother
[21:59] <czajkowski> mneptok: you might pass that onto the team :)
[22:00] <czajkowski> ok I think we're ready to vite
[22:00] <czajkowski> *vote
[22:00] <paultag> I'm good
[22:00] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the New Mexico Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.
[22:00] <paultag> +1
[22:00] <czajkowski> +1
[22:00] <czajkowski> Team reports please next month!
[22:00] <paultag> mneptok: I'm stunned by the weekly meetings
[22:01] <paultag> hahaha
[22:01] <czajkowski> leogg: itnet7 popey vote
[22:01] <itnet7> mneptok: lol
[22:01] <itnet7> +1
[22:01] <itnet7> sorry hadn't seen the start
[22:01] <paultag> popey: leogg
[22:01] <leogg> +0
[22:02] <popey> sorry
[22:02] <popey> +1
[22:02] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[22:02] <czajkowski> [agreed] COngrats to New mexico Team on their Re Approval
[22:02] <MootBot> AGREED received:  COngrats to New mexico Team on their Re Approval
[22:02] <paultag> thanks mneptok :)
[22:03] <czajkowski> mneptok: can we go shooting again!
[22:03] <mneptok> thanks folkseses!
[22:03]  * nixternal wants to go
[22:03] <leogg> mneptok: i'm a brave man :)
[22:03] <itnet7> very good work mneptok !
[22:03] <mneptok> leogg: and i have no travel budget. so you're safe. :)
[22:03] <paultag> speak of the devel, nixternal I think it's your turn
[22:03] <paultag> devil
[22:03] <paultag> ach
[22:03] <leogg> hehe
[22:03] <nixternal> devel, devil, all the same
[22:03] <czajkowski> [topic] Chicago Team Re Approval
[22:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Chicago Team Re Approval
[22:03] <micahg> \o/
[22:03] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[22:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[22:03] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam
[22:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam
[22:04] <czajkowski> welcome folks thanks for being patient
[22:04] <nixternal> we gotta hurry, our ex-Governor is getting ready to have his verdict read in his corruption trial....want to see yet another of our famous Chicago politicians head to prison :)
[22:04] <czajkowski> yay photos in the application :)
[22:04] <nixternal> you can thank nhandler for that one :)
[22:04] <paultag> nixternal: do I spy a nhander and swoody in the top one?
[22:04] <nixternal> there were more photos, but i lost them before i was saved by flickr years ago
[22:05] <nixternal> yes
[22:05] <nixternal> and me in the back with my gangstah hat on
[22:05]  * micahg isn't in any pictures
[22:05] <nixternal> and eddie as well as j1mc
[22:05] <paultag> micahg: :)
[22:05] <paultag> nixternal: look'n fly
[22:05] <nixternal> micahg: you going to barcamp this weekend? i have bike racing :)
[22:05] <czajkowski> has the wiki died for anyone else bar me
[22:05] <nixternal> pretty fly for a white guy
[22:06] <nixternal> czajkowski: it is near death for me too
[22:06] <micahg> nixternal: no, sorry, have a lot of stuff to catch up on, but I"ll be at the loco event the weekend after
[22:06] <paultag> So, nixternal, what are some of the bright spots of your loco? Have you translated Ubuntu yet?
[22:06] <paultag> I can never understand anyone from chi-town
[22:06] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam/TeamReports
[22:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam/TeamReports
[22:06] <czajkowski> lovely to see :)
[22:06]  * micahg thinks we should do a blago translation of Ubuntu :)
[22:06] <nixternal> yeah, it is a mixture of italian, polish, spanish, with a bunch of other lingo thrown in
[22:07] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah, well nhandler is on the team ;)
[22:07] <czajkowski> I know !
[22:07] <nixternal> czajkowski: you can thank nhandler once again :)
[22:07] <paultag> They better have their reports!
[22:07] <czajkowski> nixternal: so plans for the future, and how ye've grown since your approval?
[22:07] <czajkowski> how have things changed?
[22:07] <nixternal> heh, when we were approved (the 2nd US team approved to be exact, just behind Colorado because I had to go to the bathroom, and alphabetically Chicago was first) there was just a few of us
[22:08] <nixternal> we have probably tripled in both members, participants, and current ubuntu members since then
[22:08] <paultag> nixternal: that's like posting f1irst!! and coming in second
[22:08] <nixternal> most of our ubuntu members are all devs
[22:08] <nixternal> paultag: exactly, and joey standford will never let me live that one down
[22:08] <_KAMI_Hungary> Go Hun!
[22:08] <czajkowski> nixternal: aye you are lucky with your members
[22:09] <nixternal> when we get members, they are usually of the active variety
[22:09] <nixternal> if they aren't active, they tend to get bored, so we try to get them involved with something that suits them best, and then try to teach them how to do more with dev work, docs, and other stuff
[22:09] <czajkowski> nixternal: any issues ye've encountered?
[22:10] <nixternal> this year has been slow because a vast majority of us have been very very busy in our personal realm...right now my 13 year old daughter is driving me up a wall to take her shopping
[22:10] <nixternal> czajkowski: we have yet to have an issue
[22:10] <nixternal> everyone on the team is friends
[22:10] <czajkowski> good ok
[22:10] <czajkowski> I think we're ready to vote
[22:10] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on the RE Approval of the Chicago Team. Only LoCo Council members vote. C
[22:10] <czajkowski> +1
[22:10] <paultag> +1
[22:10] <itnet7> +1
[22:10] <leogg> +1
[22:11] <paultag> nixternal: great work, keep it up. Some of the most shining examples of Ubuntu are on your loco. Keep it up.
[22:11] <itnet7> Very Good job nixternal ! You're team Rocks!!
[22:11] <itnet7> oops lol YOur
[22:11] <popey> +1
[22:11] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[22:12] <popey> and i promise to install kubuntu
[22:12] <nixternal> haha
[22:12] <czajkowski> [agreed] Chicago Team Re Approved
[22:12] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Chicago Team Re Approved
[22:12] <nixternal> thanks everyone! congrats to the others and good luck to the next!
[22:12] <itnet7> pffft popey !
[22:12] <popey> :)
[22:12] <czajkowski> thanks nixternal happy shopping
[22:12] <micahg> \o/ thanks everyone!
[22:12] <paultag> thanks nixternal, micahg :)
[22:12] <itnet7> gj micahg !
[22:12] <micahg> thanks itnet7
[22:12] <czajkowski> [topic] Asturian Team Approval
[22:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Asturian Team Approval
[22:13] <marquinos> Hi! I'm :)
[22:13] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsturianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[22:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsturianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[22:13] <SergioMeneses> congrats
[22:13] <czajkowski> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsturianTeam
[22:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AsturianTeam
[22:13] <dangerouspiper> Hi, me to
[22:13] <czajkowski> marquinos: hi thanks for coming
[22:13] <marquinos> ;)
[22:13] <czajkowski> so welcome you're going for your Team Approval
[22:13] <marquinos> thank you :)
[22:13] <czajkowski> nice application,very clear,  you've been very busy
[22:14] <marquinos> :$ No ready :P
[22:14] <marquinos> A little ;)
[22:14] <czajkowski> ok so would you like to tell us about your team, how you do things, and plans for the future
[22:14] <marquinos> yes, of course
[22:15] <ivarela> hi
[22:15] <ivarela> i'm sorry to be late...
[22:15] <czajkowski> ivarela: welcome
[22:15] <marquinos> We are a small LoCo in Asturias (northern Spain), but the members are very active. Our LoCo is running for more than a year. Their website was released a few months ago, and I'm happy with the current situation, where there is a slow but constant incorporation of new members
[22:15] <marquinos> welcome ivarela ;)
[22:15] <marquinos> ivarela is from asturian team :D
[22:16] <marquinos> Our plan is fixed the bug #1
[22:16] <marquinos> hahahahaha
[22:17] <paultag> marquinos: can you tell us a bit about translations?
[22:17] <marquinos> yes :) The Asturian language is the native language of Asturies
[22:17] <czajkowski> marquinos: I see you've had some experience with working wiht the Catalan loco thats great to see
[22:17] <marquinos> for first time, we enjoy of an OS in our language
[22:17] <marquinos> was a very hard work
[22:17] <paultag> marquinos: I see!
[22:17] <marquinos> of a few years
[22:18] <marquinos> the translations are done by team
[22:18] <marquinos> ivarela is the coordinator
[22:18] <marquinos> for that area :)
[22:18] <paultag> Wow, for GNOME as well
[22:18] <marquinos> it was the #1 in the world in the launchpad translations :D
[22:18] <marquinos> he was (sorry)
[22:18] <czajkowski> marquinos: so tell us, what are you plans for the future for your team ?
[22:19] <marquinos> well, I would work for the normal people
[22:19] <marquinos> I think Ubuntu
[22:19] <marquinos> is for every body
[22:19] <marquinos> not only geeks :)
[22:19] <marquinos> then, I will give a microcourse
[22:19] <paultag> *cough* nerds
[22:19] <marquinos> s
[22:20] <marquinos> and technical help
[22:20] <marquinos> in the next months :)
[22:20] <marquinos> we're working hard for introduce Ubuntu in the education
[22:20] <marquinos> and some institutions
[22:20] <czajkowski> great
[22:21] <leogg> marquinos: the microcourses thing is a fantastic idea!
[22:21] <marquinos> ;)
[22:21] <czajkowski> can you tell us about them ?
[22:21] <marquinos> Yes, I got from a Hiper
[22:22] <czajkowski> ok any other comments you want to make ?
[22:22] <marquinos> MediaMarkt gave a little courses for use a mobile phone, then I get the idea for Ubuntu: A little curse, of a simple an useful area
[22:22] <marquinos> the 1help=1coffee is get from Mac Store xD
[22:22] <czajkowski> brilliant
[22:23] <marquinos> They give a wonderful technical help for a newbies
[22:23] <paultag> I saw that photo on your site, I think it's very funny :)
[22:23] <czajkowski> ok so we're going to vote
[22:23] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on the Approval of the Asturian Team. Only LoCo Council members vote.
[22:23] <czajkowski> +1
[22:23] <paultag> +1
[22:23] <itnet7> +1
[22:23] <czajkowski> welcome
[22:23] <leogg> +1
[22:23] <popey> +1
[22:23] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[22:23] <paultag> keep up the great work marquinos, your translation work is amazing. Keep up the great attitude
[22:23] <leogg> marquinos: congrats! great work!
[22:23] <czajkowski> [Agreed] WElcome to the Asturian LoCo
[22:24] <marquinos> :D
[22:24] <ivarela> thank you all
[22:24] <paultag> :)
[22:24] <itnet7> very good work! Thanks for all you and your team have done for Ubuntu!
[22:24] <marquinos> Thanks you, really :)
[22:24] <czajkowski> ok thanks folks
[22:24] <marquinos> for this rock OS
[22:24] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[22:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:24.
[22:24] <paultag> thanks for coming, guys!
[22:24] <mneptok> what does this big, red button on the wall do?
[22:24] <marquinos> :)
[22:24]  * mneptok presses
[22:24] <dangerouspiper> thank you very much