[00:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: let's chat in the morning about thunderbird
[00:53] <chrisccoulson> hi micahg
[00:54] <chrisccoulson> what did you want to chat about?
[00:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: hi, well, steps left before the update
[00:54] <chrisccoulson> ok, cool
[00:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: but I'm not feeling too well, BTW, enigmail in PPA
[00:54] <chrisccoulson> ok, thanks. and i hope you feel better soon
[00:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks, ended up working through it today, but can't do much extra stuff
[00:55] <chrisccoulson> yeah, no problem :)
[01:14]  * Milos_SD-aWay is Away, Reason: ( Spavam ... ) | Since: ( Monday, August 16, 2010. 22:13:47 ) Xlack v2.1
[01:16]  * Milos_SD-aWay is back ( Away 1 min 52 secs )
[01:16] <micahg> Milos_SD-aWay: stop spamming the channel
[01:16] <micahg> Milos_SD: stop spamming the channel
[01:17] <Milos_SD> how is one line spam? :)
[01:18] <Milos_SD> and I did /away reason... but that script did the announce
[01:18] <micahg> Milos_SD: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479155/
[10:52] <alexbodn> hello friends
[10:56] <alexbodn> i've previously made a script to checkout and debuild bluegriffon, a website editor with xulrunner-2.0-dev from ubuntu ppa. the program builds (apparently correctly) but it doesn't show anything. tell me please how to proceed: upload files etc.
[14:00] <fta2> chrisccoulson, asac, jdstrand: for chromium 6 in lucid, i also need libvpx (NEW), as it needs the ffmpeg codecs 0.6 for which libvpx is a mandatory build-deps. is that possible?
[14:02] <jdstrand> fta2: it is technically possible, but please coordinate with chrisccoulson
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> fta2 - we had to do it for the recent firefox update too
[14:02] <jdstrand> it sounds like a lot of regression testing will need to be done on anything that uses ffmpeg codecs
[14:03] <fta2> jdstrand, it's not system ffmpeg, it's a multi-threaded private copy
[14:05] <jdstrand> so then a new libvpx comes in which nothing in the archive would use? that sounds safe enough
[14:16] <fta2> jdstrand, i think so. it would be possible for me to use system ffmpeg *iif* we enable threading in it.. which i agree would mean lots of regression testing in tons of other apps. that's not what i'm requesting here.
[14:17] <fta2> perhaps we can do that in maverick (iirc, debian does it in unstable), or in m+1
[14:26] <jdstrand> maybe, though it sounds like chromium could just up their requirements once maverick is released and we'd have to use a private one anyway
[14:26] <Dimmuxx> fta2: any plans to make chromium look more like a native app by default? Like including the ubuntu lighttheme extensions in some way
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, how are the chromium updates built at the moment? are they built in -proposed and copied to -security?
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> or built in the security PPA?
[14:37] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: they are built in ubuntu-security-proposed, then pocket copied to -proposed and follow the normal SRU process from there. when they are deemed acceptable they are pocket copied to both -updates and -security
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, ok, so that's fairly similar to what we do already for mozilla. i wasn't sure if we could upload new packages to -proposed or not
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> urgh, daily builds are broken on amd64 for everything on all releases :-/
[16:27] <alexbodn> i've made a script to checkout and debuild bluegriffon, a website editor with xulrunner-2.0-dev from ubuntu ppa. the program builds (apparently correctly) but it doesn't show anything. tell me please how to proceed: upload files etc.
[16:36] <gnomefreak> is tb31 using the, damn just blanked
[16:37] <gnomefreak> the same thing that 2.0 -> 3.0
[16:39] <gnomefreak> profile merge?
[17:23] <fta> Dimmuxx, do you mean enabling the "system title bar and borders" by default?
[17:28] <Dimmuxx> fta: no the scrollbar still looks weird with that
[17:29] <Dimmuxx> https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/mikdfeaeaecoffpjoodiihgejnbfigln
[17:29] <Dimmuxx> I'm talking about that
[17:30] <fta> Dimmuxx, the scrollbar is a webkit widget, it's not gtk. hence, it's themable with css only.
[17:30] <fta> oh, the extension. iirc, extensions have no system path
[17:30] <Dimmuxx> yes I know that but it looks wrong and most users probably doesn't know about that extension
[17:31] <fta> at least, last time i checked, but maybe there's a way now
[17:31] <Dimmuxx> and if chromium gonna be default sometime in the future it should probably look more like a native app
[17:32] <fta> that's no longer the plan.
[17:32] <fta> at least, last time i heard
[17:33] <fta> but i've been kept in the dark for this whole story so who knows
[17:33] <Dimmuxx> I know that too but who knows what happens in the future. It was just an idea
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> fta / Dimmuxx - it's still the plan to have chromium as default, but just not this cycle ;)
[17:35] <Dimmuxx> it's always not this cycle for everything ;)
[17:35] <Dimmuxx> will rgba be in maverick or is it maverick+1 now? :P
[17:35] <fta> Dimmuxx, i need to figure out that "policies" vs "preferences" thingy in chromium, to see what's the best way to tweak the default install
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> i've no idea, i'm not the right person to ask about rgba ;)
[17:36] <fta> Dimmuxx, and that extension is distro specific, ie, it's for lucid but it looks weird on maverick
[17:37] <Dimmuxx> yeah and it needs to be changed for every theme too but at least the light themes could get special treatment imho
[17:38] <gnomefreak> people like Ambiance theme :(
[17:39] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: it is default in UNR isnt it?
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, not for maverick
[17:39] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: oh
[17:41] <gnomefreak> did mozilla ever upgrade the nightly tester tool for 4.0?
[17:42] <micahg> gnomefreak: nightly tester tool seems unmaintained
[17:43] <gnomefreak> micahg: that would explain that
[17:43] <gnomefreak> thanks
[17:44] <micahg> gnomefreak: what issue were you having with 3.1?
[17:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: seems like some bad code landed or all the amd64 buildds are messed up
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it's the builders
[17:45] <gnomefreak> micahg: none yet i just want to know if it uses the same profile manager(not sure of the name) like the thing from 2.0 -> 3.0
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> we've just been talking about it on #ubuntu-devel
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> they think they're i386 builders ;)
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> so all the amd64 builds are failing
[17:46] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, good :) nothing for me to fix
[17:46] <micahg> gnomefreak: migration assistant?
[17:46] <gnomefreak> import wizard
[17:46] <gnomefreak> yes thats it
[17:46] <micahg> gnomefreak: yes, but it should be more conservative
[17:46] <gnomefreak> not import wizard
[17:47] <gnomefreak> micahg: i just dont want to lose the set up for 3.0 incase 3.1 fails at some point
[17:47] <gnomefreak> and 2 -> 3 dumped the 2.0 conf
[17:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, the thunderbird-3.1 uses a copy, thunderbird in maverick will replace 3.0
[17:48]  * gnomefreak using nightlies of tb 30 31
[17:48] <gnomefreak> i was kind of hoping they would use separate profiles like ff is doing
[17:49] <gnomefreak> if 3.1 breaks i want to beable to run 3.0 without having to do much. i dont recall if renaming profiles worked
[17:49] <gnomefreak> damnit
[17:51] <gnomefreak> i guess i will look at nm.pl in the next few days
[17:51] <micahg> gnomefreak: they are, but I"m going to switch thunderbird nightly to 3.1 soon
[17:52] <gnomefreak> micahg: oh
[17:52] <micahg> 3.0 will probably be EOL soon
[17:52] <micahg> as will 2.0
[17:52] <gnomefreak> so no fall back if 3.1 breaks
[17:52] <micahg> the current .debs in maverick I guess
[17:52] <gnomefreak> if 2.0 isnt EOL than i would explect 3.0 to be around a while
[17:53] <micahg> 2.0 isn't EOL because they haven't pushed the major update yet, should be this week, I expect an annoucement early next month if there are no issues with the MU
[17:53] <gnomefreak> ah
[17:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I remember asac not wanting to have an alternative war
[18:02]  * micahg needs to get TB 3.1 in maverick//stable PPA soon as people are getting anxious...
[18:06] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i can revert it if you think it might cause an issue, but it seems strange that we set the link for firefox to the lowest priority
[18:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: as asac put it and I'm paraphrasing, the priority system is an outdated broken way of managing the default browser, there are better mechanisms in place
[18:07] <gnomefreak> epiphany is broken in Lucid too it seems
[18:07] <micahg> gnomefreak: what do you mean broke?
[18:07] <gnomefreak> micahg: the extensions-more wont install
[18:08] <gnomefreak> epiphany-extensions-more is not 2.30 so you get broken packages
[18:08] <gnomefreak> epiphany-extensions: is 2.30
[18:09] <gnomefreak> same bug in Maverick  at least it was a week ago
[18:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: sounds like a reason for a fakesync SRU :)
[18:09] <micahg> maverick is up to date now
[18:09] <gnomefreak> not sure why they released Lucid with it like this
[18:10] <fta> *sigh* Bug 619193
[18:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 619193 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Please update chromium-browser in Maverick and Lucid (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619193
[18:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: probably underused
[18:10] <gnomefreak> LTS shouldnt have these types of issues IMHO
[18:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: we have 15k+ packages, can't get them all right :-/
[18:10] <micahg> gnomefreak: we only have 176 devs that can upload for all those packages
[18:10] <gnomefreak> true
[18:11] <micahg> fta: is it stable yet?
[18:11] <fta> micahg, that guy wants beta, we follow stable
[18:11] <fta> so it's not there yet
[18:11] <micahg> fta: right, so they guy's a little jumpy, don't worry about it :)
[18:12] <micahg> fta: you can make that the master bug for update to 6.0 when it becomes stable if you want
[18:12] <fta> yep
[18:12] <gnomefreak> 6.0 isnt stable?
[18:13] <gnomefreak> 7.0 in daily so i figured 6.0 would be stable
[18:13] <fta> chrisccoulson, what's the status of the permanent ffe for chromium? and does it include its deps?
[18:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: beta, new major versions every 6 weeks now
[18:14] <fta> gnomefreak, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/chromium-daily.html
[18:14] <gnomefreak> thanks
[18:15] <fta> so stable is 5, beta & dev are 6, and trunk just jumped to 7
[18:16] <fta> i assume stable will jump shortly
[18:31] <gnomefreak> micahg: any chance we can get enigmail updated to work with tb31 before replacing 3.0
[18:31]  * gnomefreak going to test 31
[18:31] <micahg> gnomefreak: I have it :)
[18:31] <gnomefreak> micahg: cool
[18:31] <micahg> gnomefreak: ppa:micahg/mozilla-test
[18:31] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks ill ad it
[18:31] <micahg> gnomefreak: be careful as thunderbird version 3.1 is in there as well
[18:32] <gnomefreak> micahg: im using nightly so should it still effect me
[18:32] <micahg> gnomefreak: the only thing holding me back ATM from pushing to maverick is the upgrade isn't smooth.  I've been dogfooding it for almost a week now with no horrible issues (1 issue with closing, but that's known upstream)
[18:33] <micahg> gnomefreak: there's a dependency loop somewhere and I haven't had time to figure it out yet
[18:33] <gnomefreak> k
[18:58] <gnomefreak> seems 3.1 works fine recieveing mail i havent tried replying. micahg would it cause any problem by updateing 3.0 to 3.1 while i have 3.1 nightly installed?
[18:59] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, but you should back up your 3.0 profile because it will upgrade it, also, you'll have to use aptitude since the dependencies aren't quite working yet
[18:59] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok thanks
[19:33] <gnomefreak> micahg: thunderbird upgrade from your testing repo works fine no depends issues using apt
[19:33] <micahg> gnomefreak: you must not have locales installed :)
[19:34] <gnomefreak> nope
[19:34] <gnomefreak> :)
[19:34] <micahg> right, that's the current issue, I have the common ones installed for testing
[19:34] <micahg> there's no logical reason for there to be an issue as I didn't add any new conflicts/replaces
[19:35] <micahg> but I'll look into it when I feel better
[20:22] <micahg> fta: chrisccoulson: please don't retry the UMD amd64 builds from today so lamont has something to test with
[20:23] <fta> ?
[20:23] <micahg> fta: just don't click retry for the UMD amd64 builds :)
[20:24] <fta> ok, i won't, but the bot will auto-respin in ~7h
[20:24] <micahg> fta: that's fine, they'll be new builds
[20:32] <BUGabundo> ey fta
[20:32] <BUGabundo> long time no see
[20:34] <fta> adsl sucks
[20:39] <BUGabundo> ahaha
[20:39] <BUGabundo> changing isp?
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> micahg - did you solve the tb-locales upgrade issue?
[22:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: not yet, still under the weather
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> ok, no problem. i'll look at it now :)
[22:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: cool, thanks
[22:41] <chrisccoulson> micahg - was there a specific language causing an issue, or can i reproduce it with any?
[22:41] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think any, if not I can check my logs
[23:29] <chrisccoulson> micahg - hmmm, i managed to upgrade normally through update-manager with all tb-locale-* packages installed
[23:29] <micahg> :(
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> hmm, we need to update mozgest it seems
[23:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I guess I"ll downgrade and try to upgrade again and see what the issue is
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, no problem. if it's not reproducible, i think we should just upload it once the other packages are ready
[23:30] <chrisccoulson> if there really is an issue, we'll know about it soon enough
[23:31] <chrisccoulson> but we should get some good testing in maverick before the 3.1.3 release on sept 7th
[23:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'll finish up adding the changelog entries later this week and push if everything looks good
[23:32] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks
[23:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: why do we have to update mozgest? did they add more compatability in 3.0.3?
[23:33] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not sure. perhaps we just need to tweak the install.rdf
[23:33]  * micahg wonders if the source has a more detailed changelog than teh website
[23:37] <chrisccoulson> micahg - whats the status with lightning too? i can work on that if you don't have time
[23:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, haven't looked at it yet, if you have time, go for it
[23:38] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll take a look at that tomorrow
[23:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I was going to take the TB packaging and change the mozclient + build options
[23:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I didn't build maverick packages yet :)