| RAOF | czajkowski: Could you please run “apport-collect 605041”? That bug doesn't have much information on it (such as your Xorg.0.log, your video hardware, etc). | 00:03 |
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| RAOF | czajkowski: Also, as X is a server, 100% cpu bugs are often misbehaving clients. | 00:03 |
| RAOF | GAH! | 00:20 |
| RAOF | Too clever for my own good. | 00:20 |
| * RAOF loves it when my debugging printfs introduce segfaults. | 00:45 | |
| soreau | s/my/his | 00:47 |
| * soreau hates it when people jump from third to first using /me | 00:47 | |
| RAOF | Eh. Subject consistency is for the weak. | 00:47 |
| RAOF | Woot! Only one segfault to go. | 00:52 |
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| * Milos_SD-aWay is Away, Reason: ( Spavam ... ) | Since: ( Monday August 16 2010. 22:13:47 ) Xlack v2.1 | 01:14 | |
| * Milos_SD-aWay is back ( Away 1 min 52 secs ) | 01:16 | |
| === Milos_SD-aWay is now known as Milos_SD | ||
| era | bryceh, what is gevdev in relation to evdev? | 02:18 |
| RAOF | era: It's evdev + a gesture-creation patch. | 02:18 |
| era | oooh | 02:19 |
| era | utouch? | 02:19 |
| RAOF | It's basically a temporary, fairly small fork of evdev. | 02:19 |
| RAOF | Yeah. utouch. | 02:19 |
| era | on a somewhat related matter, how do i install synaptic gestures? | 02:19 |
| RAOF | I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean the two-finger scroll, three finger middle-click type things? | 02:22 |
| RAOF | That should Just Work™, although there seems to have been some problems with devices getting mis-identified. | 02:23 |
| Sarvatt | darn, got my hopes up synaptics actually released the linux gesture suite to the public but nope! | 03:57 |
| Sarvatt | maybe if i dig through the dell support site i can find it | 03:58 |
| Sarvatt | darn, HP is the only OEM I can find shipping synaptics drivers with SGS enabled, no chance at getting a linux driver out of them :D | 04:05 |
| === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying | ||
| tjaalton | RAOF: I already asked to run 'ubuntu-bug' (the same thing, right?) but it didn't collect anything, which is weird | 06:18 |
| tjaalton | he's also using some custom kernel | 06:18 |
| RAOF | tjaalton: Aah. It might be due to the lack of a source package hook for xorg-server, referenced in xorg (1:7.5+6ubuntu3)'s changelog. | 06:21 |
| knittl | hi. is nvidia-current currently abi-incompatible with xserver? :( | 07:17 |
| knittl | Xorg.0.log tells me something about -ignoreabi to override, how can i do that? as of now, boot hangs after splash and my pc does nothing | 07:18 |
| gord | knittl, add a section in your xorg.conf called "ServerFlags" then put Option "IgnoreABI" "true" inside that section | 07:20 |
| knittl | gord: ok, i'll try. thanks | 07:21 |
| knittl | gord: thanks a lot, it's booting again | 07:25 |
| gord | knittl, np | 07:26 |
| knittl | uh oh. i shouldn't use 3d applications though | 07:27 |
| knittl | totally crashes xserver | 07:27 |
| era | raof, why is two-finger scrolling blanked out? i have to use gconf to enable that setting. | 07:28 |
| knittl | if i use nouveau, shouldn't that use software rendering? | 07:28 |
| RAOF | It will, unless you've installed the experimental dri modules. | 07:29 |
| knittl | i don't think so | 07:29 |
| knittl | blender crashes xserver with nvidia driver | 07:30 |
| knittl | i'll try recompiling blender | 07:30 |
| RAOF | But that's not nouveau; that's the binary nvidia driver. | 07:30 |
| knittl | RAOF: yes, i asked about nouveau, because i need a working blender :D | 07:31 |
| knittl | and with nouveau it always told me that it cannot create glx-something | 07:31 |
| RAOF | Well, you could either try nouveau software rendering again, or you could try nouveau with the dri modules, or you could pastebin a backtrace of your X crash. | 07:34 |
| RAOF | era: That's a good question. | 07:35 |
| knittl | where would that backtrace be? i started blender in a screen session, but there was no output | 07:35 |
| RAOF | The backtrace would be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old, since it's the X server that's crashing, not blender. | 07:36 |
| era | i ask because it works perfectly and was disabled either during the karmic cycle i thing | 07:36 |
| era | *think | 07:36 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: duh, would've thought that was already there.. | 07:36 |
| tjaalton | maybe even SRU'able to add it to lucid | 07:36 |
| knittl | RAOF: http://paste2.org/p/953368 does that help? | 07:37 |
| knittl | it's quite a short backtrace | 07:37 |
| RAOF | era: I'd guess it's a bug in gnome-control-centre, which provides that capplet. It looks to me like the X side is doing its thing. | 07:38 |
| era | i'll give pics in a sec | 07:38 |
| RAOF | No need; I can reproduce locally. | 07:38 |
| era | ah | 07:39 |
| era | gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/scroll_method --type int "2" | 07:39 |
| era | enables | 07:39 |
| RAOF | And since that works, and it looks like the correct driver is being loaded, I'm calling it Not An X Bug™. | 07:39 |
| era | doesn't work anymore | 07:40 |
| era | D: | 07:40 |
| RAOF | Ah. | 07:40 |
| era | worked a few weeks ago | 07:40 |
| era | now the touchpad option is disabled, yet filled | 07:41 |
| era | but now 2-finger scrolling | 07:41 |
| era | *but no | 07:41 |
| * RAOF wonders idly where his mouse pointer sprite has gone. | 07:42 | |
| RAOF | era: Could you please kindly pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? | 07:43 |
| era | one sec | 07:43 |
| era | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479264/ | 07:45 |
| RAOF | Hm. Ok. | 07:49 |
| RAOF | A couple of weeks ago, you say? | 07:49 |
| RAOF | Could you check in Software Centre→History what got upgraded around then? | 07:49 |
| knittl | RAOF: how can i try the experimental dri drivers? | 07:49 |
| RAOF | knittl: Install the libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package. | 07:50 |
| knittl | RAOF: and purge nvdia* und rm xorg.conf? | 07:51 |
| RAOF | Use the Hardware Drivers capplet; it'll do the required voodoo. | 07:51 |
| era | raof, this is a rather new install. wouldn't be reflected in the history and driver bisecting will be a pain in the ass. | 07:51 |
| era | it's either xinput or synaptic | 07:52 |
| RAOF | Depending on how long ago it was it'll either be synaptic or Xserver 1.9 | 07:52 |
| RAOF | It's probably synaptic, indeed. | 07:52 |
| knittl | RAOF: no, jockey does not work at all for me | 07:53 |
| era | what's the best way to test aside from a daily? | 07:53 |
| knittl | use on a productive system, era ;) | 07:54 |
| era | i do. this is my primary laptop. | 07:55 |
| era | :) | 07:55 |
| knittl | haha, mine too | 07:55 |
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| RAOF | knittl: Right. That's a particularly unuseful backtrace. You might get better luck attaching gdb (requires a second system to work reasonably). | 07:56 |
| RAOF | knittl: Jockey doesn't work at all? | 07:56 |
| knittl | RAOF: maybe related to my problems: is nvidia-kernel-common required? | 07:56 |
| knittl | RAOF: no, it installs the driver and then fails with »driver could not be installed, see log« | 07:57 |
| knittl | status of driver then switches from not installed to installed, but not in use | 07:57 |
| knittl | i also don't mind fixing jockey :D | 07:58 |
| knittl | sudo apt-get purge nvidia* jockey* | 07:58 |
| knittl | let's reinstall all that stuff | 07:58 |
| RAOF | Eh, give it a whirl. | 07:58 |
| knittl | so, what do i need to install, which pulls all the dependencies? only jockey-gtk? | 07:59 |
| LLStarks | raof, should i apport against synaptic? | 08:00 |
| RAOF | LLStarks: Go for it. | 08:00 |
| RAOF | knittl: jockey-gtk should do it, I think. | 08:00 |
| knittl | RAOF: should i restart first? because right now nvidia is in use | 08:00 |
| knittl | could cause conflicts? | 08:00 |
| knittl | so. purge – reboot – install jockey-gtk – reboot – install nvidia via jockey | 08:01 |
| RAOF | Yeah, give that a whirlygig | 08:01 |
| knittl | hell yeah! brb :) | 08:01 |
| LLStarks | raof, it was definitely working on june 24th. | 08:02 |
| RAOF | That's rather a long time ago :) | 08:03 |
| LLStarks | well, that's when i did this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9505892 | 08:04 |
| knittl | hehe, nouveau feels snappier than nvidia with ignoreabi=true | 08:06 |
| knittl | now, install jockey and reboot again | 08:06 |
| LLStarks | raof, this works though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/476866/comments/5 | 08:07 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 476866 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "two-finger scrolling does not work on Dell Studio 15 (1555) via gui config (affects: 12) (heat: 62)" [Undecided,New] | 08:08 |
| knittl | but blender works with nouveau again. i can tell from the slowness it's using software rendering | 08:08 |
| LLStarks | are you using gallium? | 08:08 |
| knittl | me? i'm using nouveau | 08:09 |
| LLStarks | or rather is it installed with nouveau | 08:09 |
| RAOF | Ah. gnome-control-center bug, probably. The synaptics driver is clearly exposing the required interfaces, gnome-control-centre doesn't seem to be using them properly though. | 08:09 |
| knittl | never heard of gallium | 08:09 |
| knittl | The following NEW packages will be installed: jockey-common jockey-gtk nvidia-173-modaliases nvidia-96-modaliases nvidia-common nvidia-current-modaliases | 08:09 |
| LLStarks | it's the 3d driver for nouveau | 08:09 |
| LLStarks | libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental | 08:09 |
| RAOF | knittl: Looks right. | 08:10 |
| knittl | no, i don't use the experimental dri thingy | 08:10 |
| knittl | $ apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental | 08:10 |
| knittl | libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental: Installed: (none) | 08:10 |
| knittl | RAOF: ok, installing – rebooting :) | 08:10 |
| knittl | LLStarks: RAOF: i'll try dri-experimental later | 08:11 |
| knittl | how “experimental” is it? :D | 08:11 |
| LLStarks | enough on intel graphics hardware from my experience | 08:11 |
| LLStarks | very stable with nouveau though | 08:11 |
| RAOF | LLStarks: Except that we don't ship intel gallium (or, in fact, anything but nouveau) due to it being horribly unready. | 08:12 |
| LLStarks | i know, i was making a point. | 08:12 |
| LLStarks | i915 gallium is terrible | 08:12 |
| RAOF | Not as bad as i965 gallium :) | 08:12 |
| RAOF | knittl: It's unlikely to eat your dog, and it pretty much works in my testing. It's called “experimental” mainly because I want to aggressively ignore any bugs filed about it. | 08:12 |
| RAOF | LLStarks: If you felt like a fun deep coding challenge, I understand that asac would quite like i965g to work :) | 08:14 |
| LLStarks | will gallium be ready for default inclusion in narwhal? | 08:14 |
| RAOF | Nouveau: ...unlikely, I think. Radeon: yeah. | 08:14 |
| LLStarks | i suck at c. wish i could help. | 08:14 |
| knittl | RAOF: ok, that sounds good. i'm allergic to dogs though ;) | 08:14 |
| knittl | restricted drivers available {popup} | 08:15 |
| RAOF | Nothing says “you'll get better at C” like diving into mesa :) | 08:15 |
| knittl | i'll clear the log before | 08:15 |
| knittl | RAOF: 2010-08-17 09:14:52,995 DEBUG: handler xorg:nvidia_current previously unseen | 08:16 |
| knittl | is that normal, good or bad? | 08:16 |
| jcristau | RAOF: i thought it was "you'll get better at drinking" | 08:16 |
| jcristau | RAOF: my bad | 08:17 |
| jcristau | ;) | 08:17 |
| RAOF | :) | 08:17 |
| knittl | hehe | 08:17 |
| knittl | File "/usr/share/jockey/handlers/nvidia.py", line 178, in __init__ | 08:17 |
| knittl | raise SystemError, 'does not currently work with xserver 1.9' | 08:17 |
| LLStarks | when i say i'm bad at c, i mean it. i couldn't even figure out how to do game of life. | 08:17 |
| RAOF | Hasn't Alberto uploaded the new nvidia yet? | 08:17 |
| knittl | don't know. where to get it? apt-get upgrade has no new packages | 08:18 |
| RAOF | knittl: Make sure you've got nvidia-current (256.44-0ubuntu1) available. | 08:18 |
| knittl | read: my system is up to date | 08:18 |
| RAOF | Hm. I was sure that got fixed in the new nvidia-current. | 08:19 |
| knittl | gimme a sec, updating right now some other components | 08:19 |
| knittl | nvidia-current: Installed: (none) Candidate: 256.44-0ubuntu1 | 08:19 |
| knittl | i'm on i386 if that matters | 08:20 |
| RAOF | jcristau: Incidentally, does Debian's -ati want the patch I've just added to Ubuntu's git branch? | 08:20 |
| knittl | 2010-08-17 09:14:50,771 WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia_current failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia_current | 08:26 |
| knittl | hrmmm, i think i'll try dri-experimental :> | 08:26 |
| knittl | hihi, quadrapassel works again | 08:31 |
| czajkowski | RAOF: that's not my bug, just a guy who was aking for help thanks though | 09:17 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| apw | Sarvatt, RAOF, am wondering if either if you had looked at the ATI GPU hangs when booted with grub in graphics mode: bug #605614 | 15:27 |
| === ara_ is now known as ara | ||
| jono | hey folks | 21:49 |
| jono | now when I start X I get: | 21:49 |
| jono | Fatal server error: | 21:49 |
| jono | [ 18.307] no screens found | 21:49 |
| jono | how do I fix this? | 21:49 |
| jono | log file is at http://www.jonobacon.org/files/Xorg.0.log | 21:50 |
| jono | it seems the intel driver is not loading | 21:50 |
| jono | ahhh somehow the package wasnt installed | 21:51 |
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