[00:03] <RAOF> czajkowski: Could you please run “apport-collect 605041”?  That bug doesn't have much information on it (such as your Xorg.0.log, your video hardware, etc).
[00:03] <RAOF> czajkowski: Also, as X is a server, 100% cpu bugs are often misbehaving clients.
[00:20] <RAOF> GAH!
[00:20] <RAOF> Too clever for my own good.
[00:45]  * RAOF loves it when my debugging printfs introduce segfaults.
[00:47] <soreau> s/my/his
[00:47]  * soreau hates it when people jump from third to first using /me
[00:47] <RAOF> Eh.  Subject consistency is for the weak.
[00:52] <RAOF> Woot!  Only one segfault to go.
[01:14]  * Milos_SD-aWay is Away, Reason: ( Spavam ... ) | Since: ( Monday August 16 2010. 22:13:47 ) Xlack v2.1
[01:16]  * Milos_SD-aWay is back ( Away 1 min 52 secs )
[02:18] <era> bryceh, what is gevdev in relation to evdev?
[02:18] <RAOF> era: It's evdev + a gesture-creation patch.
[02:19] <era> oooh
[02:19] <era> utouch?
[02:19] <RAOF> It's basically a temporary, fairly small fork of evdev.
[02:19] <RAOF> Yeah.  utouch.
[02:19] <era> on a somewhat related matter, how do i install synaptic gestures?
[02:22] <RAOF> I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean the two-finger scroll, three finger middle-click type things?
[02:23] <RAOF> That should Just Work™, although there seems to have been some problems with devices getting mis-identified.
[03:57] <Sarvatt> darn, got my hopes up synaptics actually released the linux gesture suite to the public but nope!
[03:58] <Sarvatt> maybe if i dig through the dell support site i can find it
[04:05] <Sarvatt> darn, HP is the only OEM I can find shipping synaptics drivers with SGS enabled, no chance at getting a linux driver out of them :D
[06:18] <tjaalton> RAOF: I already asked to run 'ubuntu-bug' (the same thing, right?) but it didn't collect anything, which is weird
[06:18] <tjaalton> he's also using some custom kernel
[06:21] <RAOF> tjaalton: Aah.  It might be due to the lack of a source package hook for xorg-server, referenced in xorg (1:7.5+6ubuntu3)'s changelog.
[07:17] <knittl> hi. is nvidia-current currently abi-incompatible with xserver? :(
[07:18] <knittl> Xorg.0.log tells me something about -ignoreabi to override, how can i do that? as of now, boot hangs after splash and my pc does nothing
[07:20] <gord> knittl, add a section in your xorg.conf called "ServerFlags" then put Option "IgnoreABI" "true" inside that section
[07:21] <knittl> gord: ok, i'll try. thanks
[07:25] <knittl> gord: thanks a lot, it's booting again
[07:26] <gord> knittl, np
[07:27] <knittl> uh oh. i shouldn't use 3d applications though
[07:27] <knittl> totally crashes xserver
[07:28] <era> raof, why is two-finger scrolling blanked out? i have to use gconf to enable that setting.
[07:28] <knittl> if i use nouveau, shouldn't that use software rendering?
[07:29] <RAOF> It will, unless you've installed the experimental dri modules.
[07:29] <knittl> i don't think so
[07:30] <knittl> blender crashes xserver with nvidia driver
[07:30] <knittl> i'll try recompiling blender
[07:30] <RAOF> But that's not nouveau; that's the binary nvidia driver.
[07:31] <knittl> RAOF: yes, i asked about nouveau, because i need a working blender :D
[07:31] <knittl> and with nouveau it always told me that it cannot create glx-something
[07:34] <RAOF> Well, you could either try nouveau software rendering again, or you could try nouveau with the dri modules, or you could pastebin a backtrace of your X crash.
[07:35] <RAOF> era: That's a good question.
[07:35] <knittl> where would that backtrace be? i started blender in a screen session, but there was no output
[07:36] <RAOF> The backtrace would be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old, since it's the X server that's crashing, not blender.
[07:36] <era> i ask because it works perfectly and was disabled either during the karmic cycle i thing
[07:36] <era> *think
[07:36] <tjaalton> RAOF: duh, would've thought that was already there..
[07:36] <tjaalton> maybe even SRU'able to add it to lucid
[07:37] <knittl> RAOF: http://paste2.org/p/953368 does that help?
[07:37] <knittl> it's quite a short backtrace
[07:38] <RAOF> era: I'd guess it's a bug in gnome-control-centre, which provides that capplet.  It looks to me like the X side is doing its thing.
[07:38] <era> i'll give pics in a sec
[07:38] <RAOF> No need; I can reproduce locally.
[07:39] <era> ah
[07:39] <era> gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/scroll_method --type int "2"
[07:39] <era> enables
[07:39] <RAOF> And since that works, and it looks like the correct driver is being loaded, I'm calling it Not An X Bug™.
[07:40] <era> doesn't work anymore
[07:40] <era> D:
[07:40] <RAOF> Ah.
[07:40] <era> worked a few weeks ago
[07:41] <era> now the touchpad option is disabled, yet filled
[07:41] <era> but now 2-finger scrolling
[07:41] <era> *but no
[07:42]  * RAOF wonders idly where his mouse pointer sprite has gone.
[07:43] <RAOF> era: Could you please kindly pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[07:43] <era> one sec
[07:45] <era> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/479264/
[07:49] <RAOF> Hm.  Ok.
[07:49] <RAOF> A couple of weeks ago, you say?
[07:49] <RAOF> Could you check in Software Centre→History what got upgraded around then?
[07:49] <knittl> RAOF: how can i try the experimental dri drivers?
[07:50] <RAOF> knittl: Install the libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package.
[07:51] <knittl> RAOF: and purge nvdia* und rm xorg.conf?
[07:51] <RAOF> Use the Hardware Drivers capplet; it'll do the required voodoo.
[07:51] <era> raof, this is a rather new install. wouldn't be reflected in the history and driver bisecting will be a pain in the ass.
[07:52] <era> it's either xinput or synaptic
[07:52] <RAOF> Depending on how long ago it was it'll either be synaptic or Xserver 1.9
[07:52] <RAOF> It's probably synaptic, indeed.
[07:53] <knittl> RAOF: no, jockey does not work at all for me
[07:53] <era> what's the best way to test aside from a daily?
[07:54] <knittl> use on a productive system, era ;)
[07:55] <era> i do. this is my primary laptop.
[07:55] <era> :)
[07:55] <knittl> haha, mine too
[07:56] <RAOF> knittl: Right.  That's a particularly unuseful backtrace.  You might get better luck attaching gdb (requires a second system to work reasonably).
[07:56] <RAOF> knittl: Jockey doesn't work at all?
[07:56] <knittl> RAOF: maybe related to my problems: is nvidia-kernel-common required?
[07:57] <knittl> RAOF: no, it installs the driver and then fails with »driver could not be installed, see log«
[07:57] <knittl> status of driver then switches from not installed to installed, but not in use
[07:58] <knittl> i also don't mind fixing jockey :D
[07:58] <knittl> sudo apt-get purge nvidia* jockey*
[07:58] <knittl> let's reinstall all that stuff
[07:58] <RAOF> Eh, give it a whirl.
[07:59] <knittl> so, what do i need to install, which pulls all the dependencies? only jockey-gtk?
[08:00] <LLStarks> raof, should i apport against synaptic?
[08:00] <RAOF> LLStarks: Go for it.
[08:00] <RAOF> knittl: jockey-gtk should do it, I think.
[08:00] <knittl> RAOF: should i restart first? because right now nvidia is in use
[08:00] <knittl> could cause conflicts?
[08:01] <knittl> so. purge – reboot – install jockey-gtk – reboot – install nvidia via jockey
[08:01] <RAOF> Yeah, give that a whirlygig
[08:01] <knittl> hell yeah! brb :)
[08:02] <LLStarks> raof, it was definitely working on june 24th.
[08:03] <RAOF> That's rather a long time ago :)
[08:04] <LLStarks> well, that's when i did this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9505892
[08:06] <knittl> hehe, nouveau feels snappier than nvidia with ignoreabi=true
[08:06] <knittl> now, install jockey and reboot again
[08:07] <LLStarks> raof, this works though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/476866/comments/5
[08:08] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 476866 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "two-finger scrolling does not work on Dell Studio 15 (1555) via gui config (affects: 12) (heat: 62)" [Undecided,New]
[08:08] <knittl> but blender works with nouveau again. i can tell from the slowness it's using software rendering
[08:08] <LLStarks> are you using gallium?
[08:09] <knittl> me? i'm using nouveau
[08:09] <LLStarks> or rather is it installed with nouveau
[08:09] <RAOF> Ah.  gnome-control-center bug, probably.  The synaptics driver is clearly exposing the required interfaces, gnome-control-centre doesn't seem to be using them properly though.
[08:09] <knittl> never heard of gallium
[08:09] <knittl> The following NEW packages will be installed: jockey-common jockey-gtk nvidia-173-modaliases nvidia-96-modaliases nvidia-common nvidia-current-modaliases
[08:09] <LLStarks> it's the 3d driver for nouveau
[08:09] <LLStarks> libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[08:10] <RAOF> knittl: Looks right.
[08:10] <knittl> no, i don't use the experimental dri thingy
[08:10] <knittl> $ apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[08:10] <knittl> libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental: Installed: (none)
[08:10] <knittl> RAOF: ok, installing – rebooting :)
[08:11] <knittl> LLStarks: RAOF: i'll try dri-experimental later
[08:11] <knittl> how “experimental” is it? :D
[08:11] <LLStarks> enough on intel graphics hardware from my experience
[08:11] <LLStarks> very stable with nouveau though
[08:12] <RAOF> LLStarks: Except that we don't ship intel gallium (or, in fact, anything but nouveau) due to it being horribly unready.
[08:12] <LLStarks> i know, i was making a point.
[08:12] <LLStarks> i915 gallium is terrible
[08:12] <RAOF> Not as bad as i965 gallium :)
[08:12] <RAOF> knittl: It's unlikely to eat your dog, and it pretty much works in my testing.  It's called “experimental” mainly because I want to aggressively ignore any bugs filed about it.
[08:14] <RAOF> LLStarks: If you felt like a fun deep coding challenge, I understand that asac would quite like i965g to work :)
[08:14] <LLStarks> will gallium be ready for default inclusion in narwhal?
[08:14] <RAOF> Nouveau: ...unlikely, I think.  Radeon: yeah.
[08:14] <LLStarks> i suck at c. wish i could help.
[08:14] <knittl> RAOF: ok, that sounds good. i'm allergic to dogs though ;)
[08:15] <knittl> restricted drivers available {popup}
[08:15] <RAOF> Nothing says “you'll get better at C” like diving into mesa :)
[08:15] <knittl> i'll clear the log before
[08:16] <knittl> RAOF: 2010-08-17 09:14:52,995 DEBUG: handler xorg:nvidia_current previously unseen
[08:16] <knittl> is that normal, good or bad?
[08:16] <jcristau> RAOF: i thought it was "you'll get better at drinking"
[08:17] <jcristau> RAOF: my bad
[08:17] <jcristau> ;)
[08:17] <RAOF> :)
[08:17] <knittl> hehe
[08:17] <knittl>   File "/usr/share/jockey/handlers/nvidia.py", line 178, in __init__
[08:17] <knittl>     raise SystemError, 'does not currently work with xserver 1.9'
[08:17] <LLStarks> when i say i'm bad at c, i mean it. i couldn't even figure out how to do game of life.
[08:17] <RAOF> Hasn't Alberto uploaded the new nvidia yet?
[08:18] <knittl> don't know. where to get it? apt-get upgrade has no new packages
[08:18] <RAOF> knittl: Make sure you've got nvidia-current (256.44-0ubuntu1) available.
[08:18] <knittl> read: my system is up to date
[08:19] <RAOF> Hm.  I was sure that got fixed in the new nvidia-current.
[08:19] <knittl> gimme a sec, updating right now some other components
[08:19] <knittl> nvidia-current: Installed: (none) Candidate: 256.44-0ubuntu1
[08:20] <knittl> i'm on i386 if that matters
[08:20] <RAOF> jcristau: Incidentally, does Debian's -ati want the patch I've just added to Ubuntu's git branch?
[08:26] <knittl> 2010-08-17 09:14:50,771 WARNING: modinfo for module nvidia_current failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia_current
[08:26] <knittl> hrmmm, i think i'll try dri-experimental :>
[08:31] <knittl> hihi, quadrapassel works again
[09:17] <czajkowski> RAOF: that's not my bug, just a guy who was aking for help thanks though
[15:27] <apw> Sarvatt, RAOF, am wondering if either if you had looked at the ATI GPU hangs when booted with grub in graphics mode:  bug #605614
[21:49] <jono> hey folks
[21:49] <jono> now when I start X I get:
[21:49] <jono> Fatal server error:
[21:49] <jono> [    18.307] no screens found
[21:49] <jono> how do I fix this?
[21:50] <jono> log file is at http://www.jonobacon.org/files/Xorg.0.log
[21:50] <jono> it seems the intel driver is not loading
[21:51] <jono> ahhh somehow the package wasnt installed