[00:07] <barry> penguin42: once again, thanks.  i'm heading off-line now
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[03:44] <MTecknology> So.. wireless isn't working. Any ideas what may have decided to break?
[03:54] <MTecknology> I don't even have a wireless interface listed :(
[03:55] <MTecknology> hrm... iwlagn 0000:06:00.0: request for firmware file 'iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode' failed.
[04:01] <tntc> anyone on a dell studio laptop with a broken eject key?
[04:02] <tntc> I've got a patch for it, but the ubuntu kernel build proccess has me a bit flummoxed.
[04:10] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/612432
[04:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 612432 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "UEFI boot needs Experimental branch of Grub" [Undecided,New]
[04:10] <DanaG> that's one bug I have.
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[05:28] <frewsxcv> is text (including passwords) sent in plaintext with imap?
[05:29] <midkniht> unless you have ssl on
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[06:39] <DanaG> argh, can't install the xmonad -dev package.
[06:39] <DanaG> Needs gcc-4.1 4.1.2-27ubuntu1, which depends on gcc-4.1-base (= 4.1.2-27ubuntu1) (UNAVAILABLE)
[07:00] <cyphase> i'm installing alpha3 in a vm and it's stuck at 95%. i remember seeing something about that in #ubuntu, but i didnt see the solution. any suggestions?
[07:00] <cyphase> hey mario
[08:08] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=529321
[08:08] <ubottu> Debian bug 529321 in matchbox-panel "matchbox-panel: does not respect ~/.Xresources Xft.dpi settings" [Important,Open]
[08:08] <DanaG> hmm, this issue still happens with Ubuntu as well.
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[12:45] <shadeslayer> anyone well versed with OOo
[12:45] <shadeslayer> how do i set the line spacing to 1.5 ?
[12:48] <penguin42> hmm
[12:50] <penguin42> shadeslayer: Edit paragraph style on indents & spacing the line spacing drop down does have a 1.5 lines option
[12:57] <shadeslayer> penguin42: where?
[12:57] <penguin42> shadeslayer: I right clicked to get the menu and went to edit style I think
[12:58] <penguin42> right click->Paragraph...->Indent&spacing then near the bottom
[13:01] <shadeslayer> penguin42: and where can i number the pages?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> s/where/how
[13:03] <penguin42> sheesh, Create a footer then insert->fields->page number into the footer I think
[13:03] <penguin42> anyway, breakfast
[13:04] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:04] <shadeslayer> im OOo noob
[13:11] <DrHalan> evolution freezes on startup
[13:11] <DrHalan> anyone?
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[14:18] <ripps> For somereason, I can no longer use Alt+anything as a hotkey when using a terminal. I used Alt for a alot of shortcuts in Irssi, but they all don't seem to work anymore.
[14:26] <minimec> ripps: Where did you configure these Alt+ shortcuts? In irssi itself?
[14:28] <ripps> minimec: yes, but I know something is up with the terminal because running cat, and then typing anything with alt, just shows the key minus alt
[14:29] <ripps> I think alt no longer acts as a meta within terminals
[14:30] <minimec> ripps: I am just logged with irssi session on 10.10. Can you use the Alt+left arrow/ right Arrow? (I can use them)
[14:30] <ripps> minimec: yeah, that doesn't work anymore
[14:31] <minimec> ripps: I can tell you that it works for me with irssi in a gnome-terminal with 10.10
[14:32] <minimec> ripps: Are you sure that the shortcut script is loaded? I guess it is a irssi addon script.
[14:32] <minimec> ripps: Is it installed?
[14:32] <ripps> minimec: it affects more than just irssi, I use a screen session and the alt hotkeys for it don't work either
[14:34] <minimec> ripps: I would do the following. Try to use (install) different Terminals (like the xfce4-terminal), din't use screen first. Do some tests. I guess it's a screen thing.
[14:36] <DrHalan> does this rules file contain debug symbols for "build-dbg" http://pastebin.com/JMT4y2Ad
[14:37] <DrHalan> i don'T really understand dh_strip
[15:09] <craigmarshall9> I'm thinking of downloading the Alpha 3 of Maverick Meerkat, and I have a core i5 processor in my laptop, should I go for the 32 or 64 bit download?
[15:10] <DrHalan> craigmarshall9: your prozessor is capable of 64bit
[15:11] <DrHalan> are you using a lot of 3rd-party software?
[15:11] <craigmarshall9> DrHalen: yes it is, and no I don't
[15:11] <DrHalan> the whole repository works fine in 64bit
[15:12] <DrHalan> i can reccomend using 64bit versions of maverick. i use it myself
[15:12] <craigmarshall9> Okay - great. I just thought it might be less well supported or less stable. If you recommend it though, I will download that one now.
[15:12] <craigmarshall9> Thanks for your help.
[15:25] <craigmarshall9> Is ubuntu able to resize NTFS partitions yet?
[15:25] <craigmarshall9> I have one large NTFS partition, and would like to use the second half of the HD for meerkat.
[15:31] <craigmarshall9> It used to be that qtparted (on a knoppix live cd) would resize ntds, but ubuntu live cd wouldn't. Can anyone tell me if that's still the case, or else I'm going to have to get hold of something else.
[15:31] <craigmarshall9> *ntfs
[15:57] <ripps> I think that the latest gnome-terminal/libvte updates broke alt/meta functionality. However xterm still has working alt/meta.
[15:59] <penguin42> ripps: Can you give an example of something that broke?
[16:00] <DanaG> say, ubuntu+2 is "natty narwhal".... my reaction: what the heck does "natty" mean?
[16:00] <ripps> penguin42: alt+left/alt+right no longer switches windows in irssi. It just moves the cursor left and right.
[16:01] <penguin42> DanaG: I would say quite nice/smart
[16:01] <ripps> basically, it acts like I'm not even holding alt, It just passess the other key. If I press alt+a, I get a
[16:02] <DanaG> ah.
[16:02] <penguin42> ripps: Just tried it here, and it's certainly sending a different code - e.g. if I do  od -x1  and then type a enter alt-a enter
[16:02] <DanaG> Narwhal... cool.  Natty?  Weird.
[16:02] <penguin42> ripps: I see 61 0a 1b 61 0a    which is a, enter, escape a enter
[16:02] <Pici> Natty and Dapper are synonyms.
[16:03] <JFo> as is jaunty
[16:04] <penguin42> see I think of Jaunty a bit differently
[16:04] <ripps> penguin42: according to xmodmap, alt_l is supposed to be 64
[16:08] <minimec> ripps: Stupid question: Can you switch your desktop with <ctrl><alt>arrow left/right?
[16:09] <penguin42> ripps: xmodmap is giving you xevent codes not ascii
[16:09] <ripps> minimec: yes. It seems alt still works with everything else, just not the terminals
[16:09] <penguin42> ripps: 1b is an ASCII Escape which is I think what I'd expect alt to do, however I suspect irssi puts the terminal into a different mode and I'm not sure what it's supposed to do in that mode
[16:10] <ripps> penguin42: it's not just irssi, it's not escaping in normal gnome-termial/terminator either.
[16:10] <minimec> ripps: Ok. That's what I wanted to no. no wrong keyboard settings or so... So you have that problem in a simple gnome-terminal, without screen loaded?
[16:10] <ripps> minimec: yes
[16:13] <minimec> ripps: Did you test xfce4-terminal or xterm, as I told you? CAn you really say, that this is only gnome-terminal related? Does <alt> work in oowriter?
[16:13]  * penguin42 is trying to think of something he uses that uses alt at the terminal
[16:14] <ripps> minimec: xfcef-terminal has the problem too
[16:14] <minimec> penguin42: It works... I tested it on maverick alpha3 with irssi.
[16:14] <ripps> but xterm doesn't...
[16:15] <minimec> ripps: oowriter or firefox?
[16:15] <penguin42> gnome-terminal and xfce4-terminal both use libvte to actually do the terminal bit
[16:15] <penguin42> xterm doesn't
[16:16] <ripps> alt+f and alt+a bring up some of the file menus in oowriter
[16:16] <ripps> so, yeah, alt wors for them
[16:16] <ripps> *works
[16:17] <minimec> ripps: penguin42: So it might be somehow gtk related. Is this a fresh install or an upgrade? Do you use an old /home partition with old 10.04 settings?
[16:17] <penguin42> there was a new libvte package installed today
[16:17] <ripps> minimec: I've been in Maverick since before alpha1
[16:19] <penguin42> and that version is a new upstream release
[16:19] <minimec> ripps: So it just stopped working for you... What if you just added a new user and logged in as that new one. try to verify the bug in a 'clean' situation.
[16:20] <ripps> minimec: give me a sec, I'll try logging into guest.
[16:22] <minimec> penguin42: ripps: I just checked my updates... ;) there is indeed a libvte9, libvte-common and a python-vte package ready to install... Hmmm ;)
[16:29] <ripps> Note to self: Logging out from Guest freezes PC
[16:30] <ripps> penguin42: minimec: Okay, the alt issue exists in gnome-terminal/xfce4-terminal in guest session. The only thing that work was alt_r+f to open the file menu
[16:32] <minimec> ripps: I am not afected yet, so I have little interest in doiing it. The new *vte packages seem to be affected with a bug, as penguin42 pointed out.
[16:33] <ripps> I almost certain that this is vte related, because aterm also works. It's only vte-based terminals that are broken.
[16:41] <penguin42> anyone else getting a load of warnings during apt operations 'warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0006' nerar line 6 package 'whatever': missing maintainer
[16:43] <ripps> penguin42: I am
[16:51] <penguin42> looks like bug 619135
[16:52] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 619135 in banshee (Ubuntu) "Warnings in '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/***' while installing banshee" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619135
[16:53] <penguin42> but it doesn't happen on all packages
[16:56] <ripps> I don't have banshee installed, I first got it while installing xfce4-terminal
[16:57] <ripps> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vte/+bug/619939
[16:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 619939 in vte (Ubuntu) "Alt/Meta escape keys no longer work" [Undecided,New]
[16:57] <penguin42> yeh I got it with mc today (I was searching for something that wanted alt!)
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[17:32] <craigmarshall9> Well Maverick meerkat is working beautifully on my new laptop. Including suspend/hibernate, webcam, etc. The only thing is I still have to use a proprietary driver for my Broadcom wireless, but that's no big deal. Thanks for your help earlier in deciding to go for it!
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[17:52] <ZykoticK9> is nvidia-current working again?  seems the available version includes a 256 version.
[17:52] <sinurge> i didnt see any updates saying it is
[17:55] <yofel> ZykoticK9: currently you need 256.44 with ignoreABI set to use it
[17:57] <ZykoticK9> yofel, available version is 256.44-0ubuntu1 - i assume that looks after the first requirement.  Where is ignoreABI set?  starting google search now ;)
[17:57] <yofel> look at bug 616023
[17:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616023
[17:57] <ZykoticK9> yofel, thanks!
[18:00] <Daekdroom> !info | libappindicator1
[18:00] <ubottu> 'libappindicator1' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, jaunty, jaunty-backports, jaunty-proposed, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, partner, stable, testing, unstable
[18:00] <ubottu> libappindicator1: Retrieve information on a package: !info <package>
[18:00] <Daekdroom> Oops
[18:01] <Daekdroom> !info libappindicator1
[18:01] <ubottu> Package libappindicator1 does not exist in maverick
[18:01] <Daekdroom> Still not synced.
[18:01] <Daekdroom> Heh.
[18:02] <yofel> !info libappindicator1
[18:02] <ubottu> Package libappindicator1 does not exist in maverick
[18:02] <yofel> hmpf
[18:09] <ZykoticK9> yofel, excellent!  Thanks man!  Hello working proprietary drivers, goodbye working Plymouth ;)
[18:12] <mauri> where i can find the right repository for maverick
[18:13] <yofel> ZykoticK9: plymouth works ok here, well ok, the resolution is bad, but at least the color depth is right now
[18:13] <yofel> mauri: I don't quite understand what you mean
[18:13] <yofel> where you can download it from?
[18:14] <ZykoticK9> yofel, same here really - it was more a joke then anything, sorry for confusion
[18:14] <yofel> haha np ;)
[18:15] <mauri> yofel: i added and removed more than one time the repositories into the source.list, now i would like to have a complete list of the repositories for maverick
[18:16] <yofel> well, the sections are 'main restricted universe multiverse' so what you usually need for maverick in sources.list is:
[18:16] <yofel> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick main restricted multiverse universe
[18:16] <yofel> deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick restricted main multiverse universe
[18:17] <minimec> mauri: This is your friend... http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[18:17] <mauri> minimec: fantastic
[18:18] <yofel> minimec: oh, nice ^^
[18:18] <minimec> mauri: Everybody loves that one ;)
[18:36] <Robertf> Hello
[18:37] <Robertf> i can't read a pdf file with xpdf (segmentation fault) (Maverick)
[18:38] <penguin42> hmm, same here
[18:39] <Robertf> penguin42: is it a bug?
[18:39] <penguin42> oh yes
[18:40] <penguin42> looks like bug 611446
[18:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 611446 in xpdf (Ubuntu) "[maverick] xpdf crashed with SIGSEGV in GlobalParams::findFontFile()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/611446
[18:42] <yofel> my backtrace is different though: http://paste.ubuntu.com/480034/
[18:43] <penguin42> yofel: Mine is definitely in the findfontfile
[18:44] <Robertf> penguin42: is there a solution to read the file?
[18:44] <penguin42> Robertf: evince works
[18:47] <Robertf> penguin42: thank you
[18:54] <daskreech> I shouldn't have to use sudo to use the usb creator should I
[18:54] <daskreech> ?
[18:59] <bcurtiswx> so, im getting sound on my laptop speakers.  Upon plugging in a headset to the front jack I still get sound from my speakers.. nothing goes into my headphones
[19:00] <bcurtiswx> alsamixer shows nothing muted
[19:00] <bcurtiswx> both volumes are at 100%
[19:00] <bcurtiswx> HDA ATI SB card
[19:17] <mauri> when i opne ams, an icon appears on desktop.... i i try to close it, the screen becoms black e i cant do nothing
[19:19] <minimec> bcurtiswx: Go to the volume applet and choose 'Output' I can choose Analog Headphone there. I also have a HDA ATI SB card here. Jack Sense is not working, but plugging the headphones gives me sound on speakers and headphone of I choose 'Analog Output' in the volume settings.
[19:23] <daskreech> I can't seem to boot from USB drive if I create it with sudo
[19:24] <daskreech> If i press enter it segfaults
[19:24] <daskreech> if I let the timer run out it can't find the squashfs
[19:24] <penguin42> daskreech: Did you make the usb drive on lucid or maverick?
[19:25] <daskreech> penguin42: Lucid
[19:26] <penguin42> daskreech: There is a known bug that usb images made on lucid for maverick don't work
[19:26] <penguin42> bug 608382
[19:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 608382 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "Maverick images build on lucid fail to boot - different syslinux version" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/608382
[19:27] <minimec> penguin42: Are you talking about the 'ui' thing in the syslinux file?
[19:27] <penguin42> minimec: To be honest I don't know; I was just aware that the problem existed that images made on L didn't work on M
[19:28] <minimec> daskreech: open the syslinux.conf file and delete 'ui' at the beginning of the line that starts with 'ui'...
[19:28] <penguin42> minimec: Yeh that one seems to be the ui one
[19:29] <minimec> daskreech: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/608382/comments/5 That is the solution...
[19:29] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 608382 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "Maverick images build on lucid fail to boot - different syslinux version" [High,Triaged]
[19:31] <daskreech> minimec: minimec I'll try that
[19:31] <minimec> daskreech: Worked for me ;)
[19:33] <daskreech> Well also why is it forcing a sudo to create the USB drive?
[19:33] <daskreech> bootup stick
[19:33] <daskreech> not sure what the word for it is :)
[19:35] <minimec> daskreech: stupid me... I did that last sunday. Don't remember having used sudo rights... maybe for the formatting process of the USB stick...
[19:36] <penguin42> daskreech: I don't think you can raw-write to a disk normally; you aren't a member of the group disk
[19:37] <daskreech> penguin42: I'm pretty sure the first two times I did this. (empty stick though) no sudo was needed and the stick worked perfectly off the bat
[19:38] <penguin42> oh ok
[19:41] <david_> Hi, I am just setting up my new homeserver and I am thinking about btrfs. How is maverick with btrfs?
[19:41] <david_> I dont think I can convert from lvm+raid+ext4 to btrfs with a dist-upgrade...
[19:42] <david_> ...so I am thinking about using btrfs from NOW on. How is it?
[19:42]  * penguin42 hasn't tried it
[19:43] <daskreech> david_: you should be able to. btrfs can upgrade inplace. I don't know if maverick ships with the tools on disk but almost certainly post install
[19:43] <david_> is it included in the alpha/beta builds of ubuntu-server-32Bit? And does there exist a vservers option?
[19:43] <penguin42> daskreech: Even from a stack like lvm+raid ?
[19:43]  * penguin42 would like to see that - on someone elses disk
[19:44] <minimec> david_: I think it is available as install option, wehn you use manual partitioning...
[19:44] <david_> hrhr, I doubt that this will be mine
[19:44] <david_> minimec: so the 32b-server edition of maverick is able to boot from btrfs, right?
[19:45] <minimec> david_: NO! You need a ext partition as /boot
[19:45] <minimec> david_: ext2-4, jut choose ;)
[19:47] <david_> hmm, ok. I still have doubts about the btrfs but I will try. How about the vservers? Is there a linux-vservers kernel included?
[19:49] <minimec> david_: Again I think KVM is default and compiled in the ubuntu kernel
[19:50] <david_> kvm is bad, my homeserver does not have enough power and ram to handle multiple kernels. Maybe I need to compile my own kernel.
[19:51] <minimec> david_: what would be a light alternative?
[19:51] <penguin42> minimec: vservers !
[19:52] <david_> linux-vservers. Its like bsd-jail or opensolaris-containers. Like a enhanced chroot with own IP adress.
[19:52] <minimec> penguin42: david_ sounds interesting ;)
[19:52] <yofel> there is linux-image-2.6.35-15-virtual but I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for
[19:52] <david_> very easy to handle and improves the security but does not produce overhead
[19:53] <penguin42> david_: It might be worth checking i it's all in there - I notice there is a util-vserver for the user space tools
[19:53] <david_> yofel: is there a changelog to the kernel somewhere or any other source of information?
[19:53] <david_> util-vserver is a good start!!!
[19:55] <david_> If you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule tomorrow is said to be " 16"
[19:56] <david_> If you have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule tomorrow is said to be " 16| Aufust 19th| Release Development Iteration 3 | | Ubuntu 10.04.1 (17th)". What does it mean?
[19:57] <david_> The most recent verstio
[19:57] <david_> arrrgh
[19:57] <yofel> david_: week 16, date 19th, post alpha3 phase
[19:57] <david_> The most recent version I can get is still Alpha 3, right?
[19:57] <yofel> no, use a daily build
[19:57] <yofel> !daily
[19:57] <ubottu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[19:57] <Pici> 10.04.1 is a Lucid point release, its not related to Maverick's cycle.
[19:59] <david_> Is the "*-alternate-*" the ubuntu-server edition?
[20:00] <Pici> No.
[20:00] <david_> so where can I find it?
[20:00] <yofel> david_: server is here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[20:01] <david_> ah. cool. Ty - would be good to include this url in !daily
[20:03] <yofel> er no, gnome desktop live/alternative are the most wanted ones, and if we include server then I want kde and others included too, so won't happen :P
[20:04] <coz_> david_,  alternate is the non desktop live cd install
[20:04] <yofel> coz_: no, it's the non-live desktop install
[20:04] <coz_> yoasif,  ok  got the words jumbled there
[20:05] <coz_> :)
[20:05] <yofel> np ;)
[20:05] <coz_> so who is taking care of the new sound theme  choices?
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[20:50] <robertrobert> how stable is Maverick atm?
[20:50] <minimec> robertrobert: I have regerssions with ATI. Otherwise it's running ok.
[20:51] <robertrobert> minimec: what kind of regressions?
[20:51] <robertrobert> minimec: I have ati. it seems as if ati issues will never be fixed right lol
[20:52] <minimec> I have a x1250 integrated GPU It's RS690. GAllium is not yet included in the Alpha3. --> You will be running x-edgers on a testing distribution ;)
[20:53] <zezu> Gallium is finally getting integrated?  good news ...
[20:53] <minimec> robertrobert: It's like using Debian testing with xorg of the SID branch lol ;)
[20:53] <robertrobert> minimec: oh ok
[20:54] <minimec> zezu: It looks like. Otherwise I wouldn't have any reason to use maverick.
[20:54] <robertrobert> minimec: if i don't do crazy compiz stuff and video editing will i notice the regression?
[20:55] <zezu> Hopefully next comes llvm/clang for full builds
[20:55] <minimec> robertrobert: What kind of GPU do you use. I feel and see the regression in fullscreen video for example, but not in compiz... (it0s an itegrated GPU, rmember)
[20:57] <robertrobert> minimec: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[20:57] <robertrobert> minimec: thats what it says in lspci
[20:57] <minimec> robertrobert: THat's exactly the same card I have.
[20:58] <robertrobert> minimec: oh i see. hope the bugs are fixed before the release
[20:58] <minimec> robertrobert: Stay with lucid, if you need HD kind of Video reproduction.
[20:58] <robertrobert> but release right after LTS is doubtful. there's probably gonna be lots of new stuff and with that comes bugs
[20:59] <robertrobert> minimec: minimec right now or after final release also?
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[21:00] <minimec> robertrobert: Our card is not so bad, when it comes to HD Video, but 3D is really bad! GAllium should do the trick in combination with a CPU pipe...
[21:01] <robertzaccour> minimec: whats that? gallium and cpu pipe?
[21:01] <minimec> robertzaccour: MAverick Alpha3 is usable though, even with the messy 3D perfomance...
[21:03] <robertzaccour> minimec: who uses 3d stuff? you mean like crazy compiz right?
[21:03] <minimec> robertzaccour: Well Gallium is a new module for 3D. With that change it will also be possible to share task with the CPU (same as the GPU Memory is shared)...
[21:04] <minimec> robertzaccour: ... so bad GPU performance can be 'hidden' with good CPU performance...
[21:04] <minimec> robertzaccour: 3D is crazy compiz ;)
[21:05] <robertzaccour> minimec: oh i don't use that haha. transparency is good enough for me.
[21:05] <robertzaccour> actually I think compositor in xfce is better for transparency than compiz for gnome
[21:06] <minimec> robertzaccour: I also had some kind of flickering screen when using HDMI out with 10.10 alpha3
[21:06] <robertzaccour> I'm not really an HD nut. To me its a scam honestly
[21:07] <robertzaccour> for example: if I'm enjoying a good movie, I'm not really concerned with screen resolution
[21:07] <SwedeMike> robertzaccour: it's subjective just like religion, I don't think it's productive to discuss it in here.
[21:08] <robertzaccour> SwedeMike: I was basically just stating that the ati 3d bug isn't really an issue to me
[21:10] <minimec> robertzaccour: So in my eyes, maverick is stable enough for you ;)
[21:24] <david_> Ok, I got the daily server builds and want to create a mirrored raid using btrfs. I removed my raid + lvm thinking that btrfs handles these features.
[21:25] <david_> So how do I create my btrfs raid now? What shall I do?
[21:25] <h00k> So, is there a known problem with Unity and having applications open that aren't maximised?
[21:25] <david_> one moment, I think I found it
[21:26] <h00k> I think it's a mutter problem
[21:35] <h00k> I did report it at bug 620095
[21:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 620095 in mutter (Ubuntu) "mutter: Mutter dies when window opens and is not maximised" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620095
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[22:35] <david_> I tried lots but am not sure if i did it right: I want to install ubuntu server (nightlyBuild) on a btrfs which uses my two identical hdds as raid1. I successfully created btrfs on command line but do not know how to install on the "device". How shall I do it?
[22:43] <david_> the installer complaints about that it couldnt mount the file system of type btrfs on /. Isnt it possible or did I something wrong?
[22:58] <david_> I tried usrquota and grpquota and this DOES NOT WORK! After removing these options everything is fine.
[22:59] <h00k> david_: I know that you can't have your /boot on btrfs yet
[23:00] <david_> h00k: yes, it is known that grub can not read btrfs. thanks. But / shall be possible.
[23:01] <h00k> david_: should, yeah. I had it working on my netbook. albeit slow because of a bug
[23:02] <david_> h00k: the bug is in the kernel and will disappear with the next kernel update, right?
[23:03] <h00k> david_: I have no idea
[23:04] <yofel> bug 607632
[23:04] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 607632 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "DPKG is very slow when using BTRFS" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607632
[23:04] <yofel> h00k: that one?
[23:04] <david_> yeah, I see. The installation on xfs was much faster half an hour ago
[23:05] <h00k> yofel: I don't think so, actually, but similar. I had one before that but the other bug got more attention for whatever reason
[23:06] <h00k> I even used ubuntu-bug proper.
[23:06] <h00k> let me find it
[23:07] <h00k> bug 601299
[23:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 601299 in linux (Ubuntu) "maverick btrfs slow install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601299
[23:07] <h00k> Mine is marked as a duplicate of that
[23:07] <h00k> yofel: ^
[23:08] <yofel> yeah, probably makes more sense to have it assigned to the kernel..
[23:09] <h00k> I don't want to do that and screw anything up, that's my worry with reporting bugs, I don't want to do something I shouldn't
[23:10] <h00k> I just think I did a better job reporting it, lol
[23:13] <yofel> you certainly did, I hope jfo gets to that bug soon
[23:14] <penguin42> there was some chatter on one of the other channels a few days ago about btrfs being slow with installs
[23:15] <penguin42> (I seem to remember one giving horror stories in hours)
[23:16] <h00k> yofel: jfo? and gets to which one?
[23:16] <h00k> penguin42: I had that, yeah. It was over 12 hours to install. (see 601299(
[23:16] <h00k> )
[23:16] <penguin42> and you let it finish?!
[23:17] <h00k> yes
[23:17] <h00k> I wanted to see how long it would take! more information for the bug report!
[23:17] <penguin42> bug 601299
[23:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 601299 in linux (Ubuntu) "maverick btrfs slow install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/601299
[23:18] <h00k> it's the same apt-related thing, I think.
[23:18] <h00k> Maybe, maybe not.
[23:19] <penguin42> h00k: I think I might have seen someone comment on that saying that given that it was the asus tiny ssds they were less worried than on other hardware
[23:19] <yofel> h00k: jfo = jeremy (the one that commented on your bug) and I meant 601299 ;)
[23:19] <h00k> yofel: Gotcha :)
[23:19] <happytig3r> Any fix for the nvidia-glx driver I wont boot X errror?
[23:20] <yofel> happytig3r: bug 616023 ?
[23:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 616023 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "nVidia card : X won't start since 1.9 update, no screens found" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616023
[23:20] <happytig3r> Nods looke like it
[23:21] <yofel> meh, I don't need to look that bug # up by now anymore -.-
[23:21] <happytig3r> lol
[23:22] <happytig3r> So we all still wait for Godeau on that one then? I gues smiles
[23:23] <happytig3r> So when it hangs like this and you want to choose recovery mode.. What key to press to make grub pause and give me chance for revocery mode line?
[23:24] <happytig3r> I.e default is timeout = 0 sec so no chance to chose recovery mode
[23:24] <yofel> iirc hold left shift pressed while the bios loads until you get the grub menu
[23:25] <happytig3r> youfel nice
[23:25] <happytig3r> I tried almost all keys until no hairs left
[23:25] <happytig3r> :-)
[23:25] <yofel> !grub2
[23:25] <ubottu> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[23:25] <happytig3r> left shift
[23:25] <happytig3r> nice
[23:42] <Daekdroom> Did they remove rhythmbox's indicator?
[23:43] <penguin42> isn't that all supposed to go into one of the existing indicators eventually?
[23:44] <Daekdroom> Yeah, but sound-indicator ceased to work as well
[23:44] <Daekdroom> i.e. there's no way to hide rhythmbox to the tray
[23:44] <david_> I'm stuck at installing grub2. the installer cant install it into the master boot record nor into my boot partition (ext4). Any ideas?
[23:44] <Daekdroom> Which might be intentional, but I want to find out still xD
[23:44] <penguin42> david_: What does it say and whats your setup like?
[23:47] <david_> penguin42: ubunbu server 32b nightly build. /boot SATA,ext4 partition, 250MB, 220MB free. / is btrfs, mount tells "/dev/sdb on /dev/.static/dev type btrfs (rw,realtime)". Im using the ubuntu "debian-installer"
[23:47] <penguin42> have you had this work without btrfs?
[23:49] <david_> penguin42: grub installer tells: A) installing on /dev/sda, B) grub-install supports --no-floppy, C) cp: cannot create regular file '/boot/grub/iso9660.iso': No space left on device, D) error running 'grub-install --no-floppy --force "/dev/sda"' failed
[23:49] <david_> penguin42: I tried both for the first time: ubuntu server and btrfs
[23:49] <penguin42> david_: OK, try doing one without btrfs - just check a normal simple install is happy!
[23:50] <david_> penguin42: before I was using mdadm-raid+lvm+ext4 and grub 1.97 or so.
[23:50] <penguin42> david_: On a maverick installer?
[23:50] <david_> penguin42: debian lenny
[23:51] <penguin42> david_: OK, so narrow down the problem - try a normal maverick install first and see if grub is happy, then try the advanced stuff of btrfs
[23:51] <david_> hmm :( ok.
[23:52] <david_> so like changing btrfs by ext4 would be enough 'normal', right?
[23:52] <penguin42> hey ot's an alpha!
[23:52] <penguin42> yeh I would have thought so
[23:52] <Daekdroom> Aha!
[23:52] <Daekdroom> MaverickChanges has the answer: dropped the indicator port in favor of the new sound indicator
[23:52] <david_> penguin42: you're right.
[23:52] <Daekdroom> Too bad the sound indicator ceased to work with rhythmbox as well