[00:59] <ChrisWoollard> Goodnight all. Until tomorrow.
[01:02] <godbyk> G'night, ChrisWoollard.
[01:03] <ChrisWoollard> well done.
[01:03] <ChrisWoollard> g'night.
[02:19] <brandonj> is the maverick branch ready to go?
[02:29] <brandonj> I suppose not
[07:38] <ChrisWoollard_> godbyk: Is there a way to update all to bugs for lucid-e2 with a status of fix commited to have a new status of fix released?
[07:38] <godbyk> If there is, I'm not aware of it.
[07:38] <godbyk> I was looking around a bit earlier for it and didn't see one.
[07:39] <godbyk> We need to bump some of the blueprints from lucid-e1 and -e2 to maverick as well.
[07:41] <ChrisWoollard_> I notice that on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+series it says active development
[07:42] <ChrisWoollard_> is there a way to change the status?
[07:43] <godbyk> I updated that.
[07:44] <godbyk> I don't know if it takes time for the change to take effect or what.
[07:45] <godbyk> I'll play with it more tomorrow. I'm off to bed now.
[07:45] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil.
[07:45] <ChrisWoollard_> laters
[07:45] <thorwil> morning!
[07:46] <ChrisWoollard_> morning
[07:46] <godbyk> thorwil: I'm off to bed, but if you have thoughts on any book design changes we should look into for the maverick edition, shoot me an email or leave me a message here.
[07:46] <godbyk> g'night!
[07:46] <ChrisWoollard_> i'll go through and change the status of the bugs
[07:47] <godbyk> thanks, ChrisWoollard
[08:30] <ChrisWoollard_> Hmmm, launchpad is not happy
[08:34] <ChrisWoollard_> I'll have to finish working on it later
[09:24] <ChrisWoollard> Sorry about all the e-mails.
[09:46] <ChrisWoollard> morning thishumphreybc
[09:47] <thishumphreybc> hi
[09:48] <ChrisWoollard> can you add a comment to me wiki http://wiki.ubuntu.com/cwoollard
[09:48] <ChrisWoollard> my
[09:49] <ChrisWoollard> Is the meeting happening on Sunday?
[09:53] <ChrisWoollard> you are going through a lot of tunnels
[10:05] <nisshh> thishumphreybc: is there a team meeting this sunday?
[10:06] <thishumphreybc> shit wireless
[10:07] <nisshh> heh
[10:07] <ChrisWoollard> I noticed, i thought you kept going through a tunnel
[10:07] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: a tunnel?
[10:07] <ChrisWoollard> either that, or you kept popping in and out of existence in a doctor who kind of way
[10:08] <nisshh> lol
[10:08] <ChrisWoollard> nissh: his line kept dropping
[10:08] <nisshh> yep
[10:37] <ChrisWoollard_> How come the maverick branch is not known as lp:ubuntu-manual/maverick but is instead known as just lp:ubuntu-manual
[10:37] <dutchie> because it's the dev focus
[10:44] <ChrisWoollard_> fair enough
[10:46] <ChrisWoollard_> that does make sense. To be honest though, that was a stupid question. I could have guessed that myself.
[14:28] <ChrisWoollard> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/
[14:30] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard: i saw that thismorning :)
[14:30] <nisshh> been stuck in my head ever since
[14:30] <ChrisWoollard> I think it is genius (at the moment).
[14:34] <nisshh> heh
[16:22] <thorwil> godbyk: looking at page 33, i think all the bold terms ("Properties", "General") should be italic. or just sans, if that stands out enough.
[16:22] <thorwil> godbyk: looks a bit like the hyphenation patterns don't suffice
[16:24] <thorwil> godbyk: lots of quotation marks on page 43 :(
[16:27] <thorwil> godbyk: the warning icons such as the one on page 45 should sit lower. like drop-caps over 2 lines should be about right
[16:29] <thorwil> godbyk: looking at the list below 9. on page 49, there seems to be a vertical gap before the first bullet point. that gap shouldn't exist
[16:33] <thorwil> godbyk: (icons for notes that fit on a single line should keep the current alignment)
[16:50] <daker> godbyk, i didn't see any announce concerning the second edition
[16:51] <daker> in facebook, twitter or the ML
[16:57] <ChrisWoollard> I just gt a notice saying that my print manual has been shipped. :)
[17:47] <godbyk-android2> daker: I haven't sent a notice yet. I was waiting for the website to get updated first.
[17:47] <daker> godbyk-android2, when your have time you can check the website
[17:48] <daker> s/your/you
[17:49] <godbyk-android2> I'll do that in just a few minutes. Thanks!
[17:49] <daker> oki
[18:00] <godbyk> daker: Looks like the site's working great now.  Thanks for working on that!
[18:01] <godbyk> I'll write up an announcement.
[18:01] <godbyk> What changes did we make in e2?  Anything besides bug fixes?
[18:01] <Muscovy> Not that I'm aware of.
[18:02] <godbyk> thorwil: Thanks for the notes.  I'll add those to the list.  Feel free to let me know of anything else you find.
[18:02] <godbyk> thorwil: What do you think about ragged right vs. justified?
[18:04] <thorwil> godbyk: justified would help the screenshot placement to become clearer. can only hope it won't rip too many/wide holes
[18:05] <godbyk> thorwil: It might make the screenshot placement look even more odd.  If you have a screenshot that's just slightly too wide to fit in the main text block and it gets centered across the page, it may look more out of place.
[18:05] <godbyk> Guess we'll try it and see what happens.
[18:05] <godbyk> It's easy to switch it back. :)
[18:06] <thorwil> godbyk: the just slightly to wide shots should be left-aligned, perhaps
[18:06] <godbyk> Also, the ragged right does let us get away with having lines that are slightly too long and too short without having to worry about rivers and hyphenation and whatnot as much.
[18:06] <daker> godbyk, nop
[18:07] <thorwil> godbyk: it's also great for identifying wannabe-typhophiles :)
[18:07] <godbyk> Hey, ChrisWoollard_.. thanks for filling my inbox with bug report change notifications. ;-)  (Actually, thanks for updating them all -- it's a pain to do!)
[18:07]  * godbyk hides from the wannabe typophiles!
[18:15] <godbyk> Why's the maverick branch so much larger than the lucid-e2 branch?
[18:33] <ChrisWoollard> Sorry about those e-mails. There should only been about 200 :P
[18:38] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Yeah, there were 200 and some odd of 'em.
[18:40] <ChrisWoollard> Well.... At least it is done. I talked to the launchpad people and they said there was no way to do the whole lot in one go through the web interface
[18:41] <brandonj> Where do I go to purchase a printed copy?
[18:41] <godbyk> You'd think that by telling launchpad that a series has been released that it would automatically flag all the fix-committed bugs to fix-released.
[18:41] <daker> brandonj, go to website then hit "buy the book"
[18:41] <godbyk> brandonj: Go to ubuntu-manual.org, then click on the star overlaying the page images.
[18:41] <brandonj> oh duh
[18:41] <brandonj> I was looking all over the website for that =P
[18:42] <brandonj> guess I didn't sleep enough last night
[18:42] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: We should also review any outstanding lucid-e1 and lucid-e2 bugs and, if they still exist, retarget them for maverick.
[18:42] <ChrisWoollard> Apparently there is an api to script it.
[18:43] <ChrisWoollard> Also there is an outstanding feature request for it in the web interface
[18:43] <godbyk> I see.
[18:44] <daker> ChrisWoollard, the launchpadlib
[18:44] <ChrisWoollard> I think so.
[18:44] <ChrisWoollard> Apparently there is a script in the source tree also. But i couldn't work out which one it was.
[18:45] <daker> ChrisWoollard, can you explain to me what you want to do ?
[18:45] <daker> i can help
[18:45] <godbyk> daker: When we release a manual (say, lucid-e2), we'd like to take all of the lucid-e2 bugs that have status "Fix Committed" and change the status to "Fix Released".
[18:46] <daker> that's all
[18:46] <daker> ?
[18:46] <ChrisWoollard> Nothiong now/
[18:46] <godbyk> daker: Well, that's the first thing, I guess. :)
[18:46] <godbyk> We've already done it manually for lucid-e2.
[18:46] <godbyk> But if we had a script, we could use it when we release maverick.
[18:46] <ChrisWoollard> What i was trying to do was get all the fix commited bugs to change to fix released
[18:47] <ChrisWoollard> because it doesn't do it automatically
[18:48] <daker> i'll take a look
[18:49] <ChrisWoollard> do  you think we can close this now. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/499657
[18:49] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 499657 in ubuntu-manual "Manual is incomplete" [Critical,In progress]
[18:51] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: yeah, I saw that. I think it's supposed to be like the ultimate meta bug for our project. But I don't like open bugs. So I vote for closing it. :)
[18:52] <ChrisWoollard> And quite frankly. We have released 2 editions. So it better be complete.
[18:54] <godbyk> I concur.
[18:54] <ChrisWoollard> Ok. It is going to be closed.
[18:54] <godbyk> cool
[18:57] <ChrisWoollard> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/582361
[18:57] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 582361 in ubuntu-manual "apt-get doesn't mention dist-upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:58] <ChrisWoollard> Should defer that until maverick?
[18:59] <ChrisWoollard> And can we just close https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/609085
[18:59] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 609085 in ubuntu-manual "Inappropriate NetworkManager screenshot" [Medium,New]
[19:00] <godbyk> yeah, defer the apt-get one 'til maverick..
[19:01] <godbyk> for the NM one, I haven't read through it, so I don't know what the issue is.
[19:09] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: Can you also have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/561883 and advise.
[19:09] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 561883 in ubuntu-manual "missing tags" [Low,In progress]
[19:09] <ChrisWoollard> and
[19:09] <ChrisWoollard> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/562439
[19:09] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 562439 in ubuntu-manual "doubling informations" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:10] <jenkins> evening all
[19:11] <jenkins> flan_: ping
[19:11] <ChrisWoollard> evening
[19:13] <jenkins> I passed crane training, but am still unsure when i will every use it. I can now move up to 15 tons around the factory, as I am in an office it helps :P
[19:13] <flan_> jenkins, pong.
[19:14] <jenkins> hey flan_ can we decide to use the logo I showed you last night if we adjust the colours of the dekstops?
[19:14] <ChrisWoollard> You could have a lot of fun with a crane :)
[19:14] <jenkins> http://www.foopics.com/showfull/4a0a3d709163b46dd879aee55ddd5f1b
[19:14] <flan_> I don't see why not.
[19:15] <jenkins> right so that is the new logo then
[19:15] <flan_> Yay. Progress.
[19:15] <jenkins> thorwil:
[19:15] <jenkins> we have a decision
[19:15] <flan_> Time 'til Internets: 67 hours,
[19:15] <jenkins> :-D
[19:16] <jenkins> so what distro desktops should we use for the three pictures flan_?
[19:16] <jenkins> open suse for the ked
[19:17] <jenkins> *kde
[19:17] <thorwil> jenkins: cool :) still *icon*, not so much logo
[19:17] <ChrisWoollard> slackware, gentoo & whatever is the bottom to the distrowatch list :D
[19:18] <jenkins> well an icon is a start, I would like it to not just be ubuntu releated
[19:19] <thorwil> since distro branding is *so* sophisticated, i just need to hit certain ranges of blue or green for it to stand for suse or fedora :)
[19:20] <ChrisWoollard> and probably likely to change
[19:21] <jenkins> thorwil: yep that sounds good
[19:23] <thorwil> ChrisWoollard: actually i think bottom-linux, last-will-winnux and leetnix are at the bottom of the distrowatch list. nothing with more than 5 users can exost there
[19:27] <jenkins> ok 11.04 will be called Natty Narwhal
[19:31] <thorwil> naturally
[19:33] <Muscovy> Natty is a cool word. :D
[19:36] <thorwil> right, not nutty or nitty-gritty
[19:59] <daker> ChrisWoollard, i need to make a test
[20:08] <flan_> Debian, Debian, and Debian.
[20:08]  * flan_ plays favourites.
[20:08] <ChrisWoollard> WHat kind of test
[20:09] <ChrisWoollard> Jenkins: Have you seen the video?
[20:09] <jenkins> what video?
[20:10] <ChrisWoollard> http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/
[20:10] <ChrisWoollard> You will either love it or go insane
[20:10] <dutchie> oh no
[20:10] <dutchie> only the second one is possible
[20:11] <jenkins> I am in a good mood so I like it :) Narwhals!
[20:15] <jenkins> wow linux outlaws is only an hour this week
[21:24] <daker> godbyk, ChrisWoollard i got the script
[21:25] <godbyk> daker: cool!
[21:26] <daker> godbyk, all the bug are "Fixed Released" ?
[21:27] <daker> because i need to test the script
[21:27] <daker> s/bug/bugs
[21:27] <godbyk> daker: yeah, they've already been fixed.
[21:27] <godbyk> but we'll give your script a shot when we release maverick.
[21:27] <daker> it's not mine
[21:28] <ChrisWoollard_> Can you send it to me so I can have a look?
[21:28] <daker> ChrisWoollard_, sure
[21:29] <daker> i'll create a branch for it
[21:29] <ChrisWoollard_> ok
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard_> I'll have a look later. I have to go out for a bit
[21:31] <jenkins> night all I need an early night
[22:07] <daker> ChrisWoollard_, godbyk https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/ump-bugs
[22:45] <godbyk> Thanks, daker!  That script looks pretty straight-forward.
[22:45] <daker> cool
[22:46] <daker> that will save your time
[22:47] <godbyk> Well, it'll save ChrisWoollard some time. ;-)
[22:47] <daker> yeah