[04:41] <bazhang> IdleOne, the floodbot banned his IP
[04:41] <IdleOne> I saw
[04:41] <bazhang> all kicks on gateways do that
[04:42] <IdleOne> so a kick on gateway will trigger floodbot to ban?
[04:42] <bazhang> unbelievable. he just hit #freenode for about 20-30 lines
[04:42] <IdleOne> yup
[04:42] <IdleOne> I see
[04:42] <bazhang> yep
[04:43] <IdleOne> hmm ok
[04:46] <IdleOne> when I quieted Gander they pm'ed me with a wikipedia link about Argentina
[04:46] <IdleOne> not sure why I decide to remove the quiet
[04:46] <IdleOne> but I guess it was inevitable they would be banned
[04:46] <bazhang> he was able to speak right after the quiet though
[04:47] <IdleOne> I think he sent at the same time
[04:47] <bazhang> some odd thing with the gateways and scripts I guess
[04:47] <IdleOne> question of incredible timing
[07:06] <mneptok> !staff
[07:07] <mneptok> 00:05 [Freenode] [VBB-VolleyballBa(~ERm@c-98-243-188-4.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)] Hello mneptok what is your bra size????
[07:07] <mneptok> 00:05 [Freenode] -!- VBB-VolleyballBa [~ERm@c-98-243-188-4.hsd1.mi.comcast.net]
[07:07] <mneptok> 00:05 [Freenode] -!-  ircname  : t
[07:07] <mneptok> 00:05 [Freenode] -!-  server   : gibson.freenode.net [Oslo, Norway]
[07:07] <mneptok> 00:05 [Freenode] -!- End of WHOIS
[07:15] <mneptok> and now more /msg spam from the same ident@host with the nick TraberTraber
[08:40] <bryan_r59> hello i have a dire situation
[08:41] <bryan_r59> wait this is ubuntu-ops. i am still not unbanned i guess :(
[08:41] <bryan_r59> i purchased a 70 $ Universal Anonymizer software
[08:41] <bryan_r59> but they don't have a client for linux
[08:41] <bryan_r59> only windows and mac
[08:42] <IdleOne> bryan_r59: this is not a support channel. As for your problem I suggest returning and getting a refund
[08:42] <bryan_r59> are you sure i have to return it
[08:42] <bryan_r59> they had a very serious license agreement
[08:42] <bryan_r59> they probably won't let me back out
[08:43] <bryan_r59> on their site it said it was for PC and Mac. but PC is just a personal computer i thought, and has nothing to do with windows
[08:43] <IdleOne> well I can't speak for the company, contact them. Nothing we can do about it
[08:43] <bryan_r59> so is there no work around?
[08:43] <bryan_r59> could WINE successfully use the program
[08:43] <IdleOne> bryan_r59: not from our point of view
[08:43] <bryan_r59> ok well i trust you
[08:43] <IdleOne> bryan_r59: This is NOT a support channel
[08:43] <bryan_r59> yeah well this is a ops channel
[08:44] <bryan_r59> how about we discuss my banning from the sUPPORT channel
[08:44] <bryan_r59> i have evidence that i have stayed out of trouble
[08:44] <bryan_r59> i developed an openGL application that uses GLSL to do a warp effect on a texture i loaded with SDL
[08:44] <bryan_r59> this is on linux
[08:44] <IdleOne> bryan_r59: Can you assure me that you will not be a problem in #ubuntu again?
[08:45] <bryan_r59> i promise
[08:45] <bryan_r59> i would sign a contract
[08:45] <bryan_r59> which i sort of did alrady
[08:45] <bryan_r59> please, i will be good
[08:46] <IdleOne> bryan_r59: Before I remove the ban I want to make it clear that we will not tolerate any mistakes and that if there is any rules broken we will ban you permanently.
[08:46] <IdleOne> are we clear on this?
[08:47] <bryan_r59> i understand completely
[08:47] <IdleOne> also remember that #ubuntu is for Ubuntu related support questions
[08:47] <IdleOne> this issue with the application you bought is not a Ubuntu issue
[08:47] <bryan_r59> would asking about the anonymizer support on ubuntu qualify
[08:47] <bryan_r59> :(
[08:48] <bryan_r59> is there a ubuntu channel that could help
[08:48] <IdleOne> none that I know of
[08:48] <IdleOne> you might try ##winehq
[08:48] <bryan_r59> will do :)
[08:49] <bryan_r59> have a nice night/morning/day
[08:49] <bryan_r59> cya around
[08:49] <IdleOne> bryan_r59: wait a minute
[08:49] <bryan_r59> no one is in the channel
[08:50] <IdleOne> try joining #ubuntu to make sure the ban is lifted
[08:51] <IdleOne> ok you are unbanned in #ubuntu
[08:51] <bryan_r59> ty IdleOne.
[08:51] <bryan_r59> i owe you
[08:52] <IdleOne> please part this channel now :) have a good night
[09:06] <bazhang> bryan_r59, please dont idle here
[09:42] <Tm_T> K'day
[09:44] <ilovefairuz> there's a bot in #ubuntu that interferes with ubottu: dontput
[09:48] <lhavelund> ilovefairuz: Where do you see it? I don't see any output to any commands in #ubuntu
[09:49] <ilovefairuz> try any ! triggers in main channel
[09:49] <lhavelund> ilovefairuz?
[09:49] <lhavelund> Ah, thanks.
[09:49] <lhavelund> Thanks, I'll deal with it.
[09:49] <lhavelund> :)
[09:49] <ilovefairuz> np
[09:51] <lhavelund> Sorted.
[12:16] <Ongacska> Ola bruderz
[12:16] <Ongacska> ikonia bruder Pici bruder hello
[12:48] <Ongacska> ubottu beka hajo
[12:58] <topyli> Ongacska: do you have any actual business here we could help with?
[13:02] <Ongacska> yes Sir
[13:02] <Ongacska> plase stop the ban about me
[13:02] <Ongacska> ikonia brotha made ban to me
[13:03] <Ongacska> please stop the ban
[13:04] <topyli> sorry, i don't think i'm willing to do that
[13:05] <Ongacska> Arghhh dirty penguin-trick
[13:06] <topyli> anything else? if not, please leave the channel
[13:07] <Ongacska> why? who are you?
[13:09] <Ongacska> What I accept the commandments think?
[13:09] <Ongacska> NO
[13:09] <topyli> because idling on this channel is not allowed. please see the /topic
[13:13] <Tm_T> Ongacska: kindly if you have no further business here, please leave the channel per our no-idling policy
[13:15] <ikonia> thank you
[13:16] <Tm_T> what's the story?
[13:16] <topyli> hairy old troll
[13:16] <ikonia> balzac
[13:16] <Tm_T> aah
[13:16] <ikonia> he's been pm'ing me for weeks with crap and joining random channels to find out what I'm in to keep spamming bruder and penguin kill (variatios) in channel to me
[13:17] <ikonia> he's been locked out of the ubuntu ones since I put the blanket bshellz ban on
[13:17] <Tm_T> he's just trying to show how much he cares you
[13:22] <Pici> Hes been doing that for months.  I didn't even know it was a troll until I mentioned it to ikonia and he said he was getting the same messages.
[13:22] <Pici> 'Pici' means some things in some eastern european languages so I thought it was someone who thought I was Romanian or something.
[13:33] <ikonia> nah, just stupiity
[13:50] <Pici> "Okay, but I can't sudo anymore. It says can't find /etc/sudoers. I think I deleted some folder."
[13:50] <highvoltage> Pici: ah, I once had a user who's Red Hat system 'stopped working' when they emptied their recycle bin
[13:51] <highvoltage> Pici: turned out he emptied /bin :)
[13:51] <Pici> highvoltage: ouch!
[13:51] <ikonia> snigger
[13:54] <ikonia> excellent 10.04.1 finally got pushed out, nice job
[13:55] <Pici> good good.
[15:21] <Ungacska> Sziasztok testverek - Hosanna brothers
[15:21] <bazhang> Ungacska, what do you need help with
[15:22] <Ungacska> Where is da fucky'npenguin, he called TUKS? Perghhh!
[15:22] <Ungacska> hello bazhang bro
[15:22] <Ungacska> please stop the ban on #ubuntu
[15:22] <bazhang> Ungacska, this is not a social channel. Please no swearing either
[15:22] <Ungacska> please stop the ban on #ubuntu
[15:23] <Ungacska> I have ikonia bro maded ban
[15:23] <bazhang> Ungacska, you are banned in at least 4 ubuntu channels
[15:23] <Ungacska> Yes Sir!
[15:24] <Ungacska> ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-server, ubuntu-hu
[15:24] <bazhang> Ungacska, reading the logs you don't seem interested in getting support or giving support
[15:24] <Ungacska> plase remove the bans
[15:24] <Ungacska> please
[15:24] <Ungacska> I am a good guy, really:D
[15:25] <Ungacska> I have ban also #israel too
[15:25] <bazhang> Ungacska, as your behaviour indicates you don't wish to get or give support, the bans won't be lifted at this time
[15:25] <Ungacska> I have ban also #drupal... all of #drupal related channel too
[15:25] <ikonia> !staff | please review balzac (Ungacska) comments in here for network behaviour
[15:25] <Ungacska> I have ban also all of #frugalware and #slackware and #gentoo related channel too
[15:26] <Ungacska> ikonia bro hello
[15:26] <Tm_T> Ungacska: you can leave us now
[15:26] <bazhang> Ungacska, that has nothing to do with ubuntu channels. Please part as your bans wont be lifted at this time
[15:26] <Ungacska> I say hello
[15:27] <bazhang> ah, that was the fellow who PM'd me earlier with similar 'hello bruda' nonsense
[15:27] <Pici> Yes, we were talking about him earlier.
[15:27] <Pici> He was here before.
[15:27] <bazhang> I saw in the bt
[15:27] <ikonia> many times, many nicks
[15:56] <topyli> he's a waste of time
[15:56] <ikonia> agreed
[17:31] <maco> jcastro has asked, but i want to check there are no objections here first, for me to add a blurb to #ubuntu's /topic about asking on ubuntu.stackexchange.com if your question can't be answered in #ubuntu
[17:36] <ikonia> maco: I have an objection
[17:36] <ikonia> sorry to be difficult
[17:38] <maco> whats the problem, ikonia?
[17:38] <ikonia> on phone 1 moment
[17:40] <ikonia> maco: sorry - free now
[17:40] <maco> ikonia: jcastro's here too now
[17:40] <maco> so i dont have to play relay
[17:41] <jcastro> hi!
[17:41] <ikonia> maco: we already have a lot of official support resources, IRC, launchpad answers, ubuntu forums, stackexchange is very new and has had mixed reviews so far, I'd long to not recommend unknown products until they are estabilished as long term solid resources, such as the forums
[17:41] <jcastro> it's not an unknown, many ubuntu people are participating in it
[17:41] <ikonia> I'd also not like to diliute the other resources
[17:41] <ikonia> jcastro: it is unknown - it's still in a beta program
[17:41] <jcastro> and forums aren't condusive to getting answers, just discussions
[17:42] <maco> the forums would be better if they'd stay online :-/
[17:42] <jcastro> right, and we'd like to expand that
[17:42] <ikonia> it's long term track record and stability have not been established
[17:42] <jcastro> I don't see why that would matter for a link in irc?
[17:42] <ikonia> the forums are fine for getting answers
[17:42] <ikonia> not just discussion, there is a lot of support on there
[17:42] <ikonia> I've just explained my reasons
[17:42] <ikonia> as the official ubuntu channel, I don't believe we should be a.) recommending unknown products b.) diluting other established resources
[17:43] <ikonia> (summary)
[17:43] <jcastro> but it's not unknown, it's just new, and plenty of established ubuntu community members are participating and keeping the quality high
[17:43] <ikonia> new = unknown
[17:44] <jcastro> that's like saying "there's a new mailing list, we shouldn't recommend it" but we don't do that either
[17:44] <topyli> the forums are advertised in the irc guidelines. would that be a good place to add other options?
[17:44] <maco> topyli: or in that one factoid... whatever it is?
[17:45] <topyli> i can't remember either
[17:45] <topyli> !forums
[17:45] <ikonia> topyli: I don't think we should be recommending it at all until we understand it's longer term use
[17:45] <ikonia> there are a lot of mixed reviews about it so far (not ubuntu but the whole project)
[17:45] <maco> !otherhelp
[17:45] <maco> ^ that one
[17:45] <topyli> yeah
[17:45] <jcastro> where are the mixed reviews?
[17:45] <ikonia> on the web
[17:46] <ikonia> reading peoples comments on blogs/twitter/social media
[17:46] <topyli> ikonia: well my only worry is advertising it in the topic, where even the forums are not mentioned
[17:46] <jcastro> well I can't really respond to criticisms with general statements
[17:46] <ikonia> some people have positive experiences, others very negative
[17:46] <jcastro> I am just trying to get people who flail on #ubuntu some help
[17:46] <ikonia> topyli: I disagree, as the official channel I don't think we should push out beta software products as a recommendation
[17:46] <ikonia> jcastro: there are many options for people who don't get a response on ubuntu
[17:46] <ikonia> #ubuntu even
[17:46] <jcastro> this is just another option
[17:47] <ikonia> which is new, unknown and unestablished
[17:47] <jcastro> it's young and established
[17:47] <ikonia> and not under ubuntu/canonical control
[17:47] <ikonia> it's not established
[17:47] <jcastro> so?
[17:47] <ikonia> it's still in beta
[17:47] <ikonia> so as the official channel, I don't think we should be recommending it as an option
[17:47] <jcastro> it is under ubuntu control, the current ubuntu people using it are in control
[17:47] <ikonia> jcastro: are the ubuntu community council in control of it ?
[17:48] <ikonia> or a group sanctioned by them ?
[17:48] <jcastro> no, it's being run by a bunch of current ubuntu people
[17:48] <jcastro> me, evan, txwikinger, maco, etc.
[17:48] <ikonia> define ubuntu people
[17:48] <jcastro> people who are already part of the project
[17:48] <maco> lfaraone too
[17:48] <ikonia> ok - so with all respect, you are not in a position to say you are representing ubuntu or canonical
[17:48] <maco> raof
[17:48] <maco> and popey
[17:48] <jcastro> I'm not? am I not an ubuntu member?
[17:49] <ikonia> unless the council, or canonical have said "this is the official ubuntu project page" its not official
[17:49] <ikonia> and it's still beta
[17:49] <jcastro> I can't speak for /the entire project/ of course
[17:49] <topyli> as an aside, stackexcange is pretty nice :)
[17:49] <ikonia> topyli: I'm sure it will either grow and flourish or die, the same as any other new product, I'd like to see more of it before the official irc channel starts recommending it
[17:50] <jcastro> I don't see how adding a link to the SE would hurt #ubuntu at all
[17:50] <Pici> I don't see any harm in putting it in the topic.
[17:50] <ikonia> Pici: can you put my support resource web page in the topic too ?
[17:50] <maco> topyli: yes i like it. it rewards thorough answers more than half-arsed answers
[17:51] <jcastro> ^^^^^
[17:51] <ikonia> no-one is doubting it's quality, however I don't think the ubuntu channel should be recommending unofficial, beta, products
[17:52] <jcastro> it's just a beta-looking theme
[17:52] <jcastro> enough Ubuntu people are using it now where it's not going to turn into something horrible
[17:52] <maco> ikonia: would putting it in !otherhelp but not elsewhere until it gets its official .com be a reasonable compromise?
[17:52] <ikonia> jcastro: so are you saying the product is not a beta product
[17:52] <Pici> Its as unofficial as us reccomending people to get support in other freenode channels that we don't control.
[17:52] <ikonia> Pici: but we don't do that for ubuntu product
[17:52] <Pici> Er, wait, not exactly.
[17:52] <jcastro> ikonia: no, all the features work.
[17:52] <ikonia> jcastro: that doesn't mean the project is out of beta
[17:53] <ikonia> jcastro: ubuntu 10.10 works, it's still in alpha
[17:53] <maco> ikonia: "beta" status on SE is used to mean the size of the community is still small
[17:53] <ikonia> it could break tommorow
[17:53] <topyli> i can sympathise with advertising a new thing temporarily before moving it to the guidelines page with forums, or removing it if unsuccessful. i worry about two things though
[17:53] <jcastro> but SE is high quality
[17:53] <jcastro> no it won't break tomorrow
[17:53]  * mneptok blinks
[17:53] <jcastro> the instance is beta, not the software
[17:53] <ikonia> it's still beta
[17:53] <ikonia> and still unsactioned
[17:53] <mneptok> jcastro is certainly in a position to say he represents Canonical, if that's what he's sying.
[17:53] <maco> the software is the same as what's been running stackoverflow and superuser for a year or more
[17:53] <txwikinger> 1,432 user if anybody cares
[17:53] <jcastro> I don't understand why we need something "sanctioned". If something is awesome we should use it
[17:53] <Pici> mneptok: I agree.
[17:54] <jcastro> I don't represent canonical in this matter, I represent me because I think SE is awesome
[17:54] <jcastro> and I want people to use it because it's awesome
[17:54]  * txwikinger thinks SE is awesome too
[17:54] <jcastro> we don't have a sanctioned Facebook group, identi.ca group, etc.
[17:55] <jcastro> people just go Do The Right Thing
[17:55] <ikonia> jcastro: and we don't advertise them in #ubuntu
[17:55] <Pici> bleh.
[17:55] <topyli> it's a web app. of course it is beta! nobody trusts a non-beta app these days, they're stagnated and dying :)
[17:55] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops ikonia objection to stackexchange in #ubuntu
[17:56] <ikonia> I've marked my objection, do what you feel is the best thing
[17:56]  * txwikinger launches an UN request to get SE sanctioned by the UN
[17:57] <mneptok> jcastro: i would have reservations about the ops team or the /topic in #u promoting something that has not been cleared by either Canonical or the Community Council.
[17:58] <jcastro> really? you want to bother the CC with the topic to an irc channel?
[17:58]  * mneptok has some weird hang-ups. this may be one.
[17:58] <ikonia> its not changing the topic
[17:58] <ikonia> it's recommending a support resource
[17:58] <ikonia> jcastro: why don't we recommending linuxquestions.org  for example ?
[17:58] <mneptok> jcastro: no, but i'd want the CC or Canonical seal of approval on a service before adding it to the /topic
[17:58] <jcastro> ikonia: because it's some random forum?
[17:58] <ikonia> jcastro: and this is some random group of people
[17:59] <jcastro> this isn't a random thing, Ubuntu people are participating and it's of high quality
[17:59] <jcastro> this isn't a random group of people
[17:59] <txwikinger> I understand the point, however, it seems odd that we loose our strength in bureaucrazy (I like this spelling).. What was with pulish early, publish often
[17:59] <mneptok> jcastro: i could say the same of Debian :)
[17:59] <ikonia> jcastro: so are high quality people on linuxquestions.org
[17:59] <ikonia> (I actually don't rate it, I'm using it as an example)
[17:59] <ikonia> txwikinger: it's nothing to do with bureaucrazy it's about representing the official ubuntu IRC channel
[18:00] <jcastro> I am just trying to make #ubuntu suck less
[18:00] <txwikinger> ikonia: Yes I understand, but it is still bureaucracy
[18:00] <ikonia> jcastro: do you think it #sucks ?
[18:00] <ikonia> txwikinger: no it's not
[18:00] <ikonia> sucks even
[18:00] <jcastro> ikonia: the quality of support is not very good
[18:00] <ikonia> txwikinger: ok - I'll change the topic to what I feel
[18:00] <jcastro> and it's overrun and too bug
[18:00] <jcastro> er, too big
[18:00] <txwikinger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureaucracy
[18:01] <mneptok> jcastro: many users have resources they use that they think are great, and we do not advertise them. IM services, software not in repos, etc etc.
[18:01] <ikonia> jcastro: ok, so help out more in #ubuntu to make it suck less
[18:01] <IdleOne> ikonia: +1
[18:02] <jcastro> mneptok: yeah but using SE doesn't break my PC like software not in repos
[18:02] <jcastro> ikonia: the format is not useful for helping out hundreds of people in one chat room
[18:02] <jcastro> right tool for the right job
[18:02] <gord> eh, its just a website and one that might help, makes sense to me. if it stops making sense just remove it
[18:02] <ikonia> jcastro: ok, up the support in the official ubuntu forums
[18:02] <txwikinger> as more tools as better
[18:03] <mneptok> if there's one thing i'm sure of, there are more tools using Ubuntu every day. ;)
[18:03] <Pici> gord: And we can blame jcastro for the nonsense too!
[18:03] <gord> Pici, blaming jcastro is a very important part of any process!
[18:03] <jcastro> why not try it for a week or a few days?
[18:03] <ikonia> I'm not trying to be wkward in any way shape or form, I just feel the official channel needs to be careful about what it pushes out as it represents the official community project and canonical
[18:04] <Pici> ikonia: no one reads the topic anyway.
[18:04] <ikonia> Pici: that's not a reason to just do what we want
[18:04] <jcastro> ikonia: I don't want to come across as rude, I appreciate your views
[18:04] <ikonia> jcastro: you're not coming across as rude, so no issue there
[18:04] <Pici> ikonia: This isn't random users asking us to do this, these people here know what they're talking about.
[18:05] <ikonia> Pici: so are you suggesting I don't know what I'm talking about ?
[18:05] <ikonia> in that saying I don't want it
[18:05] <Pici> ikonia: nono
[18:05] <ikonia> if jono came in here and asked for this, I'd say the same thing
[18:05] <ikonia> in the same way I muted jono for posting his tweets in #ubuntu
[18:06] <maco> wait really?
[18:06] <maco> haha
[18:06] <ikonia> I'm not suggesting jcastro is wrong about it's quality or scope
[18:06] <IdleOne> Why don't we suggest psychocats. when I suggested a factoid with a link to psychocats I was asked to create a page on help.ubuntu.com because it was felt that advertising a third party site was not optimal.
[18:06] <topyli> oh dear, that easily doubles the traffic on any channel :(
[18:06] <jcastro> hah
[18:06] <Pici> IdleOne: We do suggest psychocats.
[18:07] <Pici> !search psychocats
[18:07] <IdleOne> why isn't puregnome in that list?
[18:07] <ikonia> I've noted my objection, if your happy to add it in the topic, then go for it
[18:07] <maco> IdleOne: broken
[18:07] <IdleOne> no it isn't, not anymore
[18:07] <maco> oh then readd it?
[18:07] <jcastro> ikonia: why don't we try it out for a day or two?
[18:08] <Pici> IdleOne: because !puregnome links to our wiki
[18:08] <jcastro> and if it's total fail then we remove it?
[18:08] <IdleOne> Pici: that is because jussi asked me to create a wiki for it
[18:08] <ikonia> jcastro: I don't need support and I already provide support on other resources so don't want to spread myself thinnger
[18:08] <ikonia> thinner even
[18:08] <Pici> ikonia: you don't need to support there.
[18:08] <ikonia> jcastro: I'm sure if I was stuck on something and couldn't find the answer on other resources I normally use, I'd try it out
[18:08] <Pici> None of us have to.
[18:09] <Pici> I don't even have any posts on our forums.
[18:09] <ikonia> jcastro: no no, I'm not saying you have to, I was just responding to why I wasn't interested in trying it out
[18:09] <ikonia> (I have viewed it a few times for interest
[18:09] <jcastro> ikonia: I mean trying it out in the /topic for a few days, not you trying SE itself
[18:09] <ikonia> sorry that was for pici
[18:09] <ikonia> ahhh
[18:09] <ikonia> jcastro: because the point I'm making, time scale is not relevant
[18:10] <ikonia> (or trying to make)
[18:11] <maco> Pici: *blink* i thought you were a forum mod?
[18:11] <maco> oh! wait now
[18:11] <maco> Pici: sorry mixing you with Pricey
[18:12] <jcastro> ok I need to go to lunch, thanks for listening
[18:12] <jcastro> it will be awesome!
[18:12] <txwikinger> \o/
[18:13] <Pici> :)
[18:18] <popey> woah!
[18:18] <popey> discussion! :D
[18:20] <maco> popey: saw your ping?
[18:20] <popey> ya :)
[19:18] <mneptok> i'm a bit uncomfortable recommending SE in the #u topic when we do not even mention the Ubuntu Forums.
[19:20] <IdleOne> there is also ubuntu.shapado.net which supports 4 languages at the moment and adding more
[19:20] <IdleOne> err .com
[19:21]  * IdleOne is with ikonia and mneptok on this. I don't understand why we are advertising.
[19:38]  * Pici thinks
[19:43] <mneptok> if jcastro was not a Canonical employee and Community Team person, would we even be thinking about this?
[19:43] <jcastro> I don't see why it matters that I am a canonical employee
[19:43] <mneptok> because he was quite clear that he was *not* wearing those hats.
[19:43] <jcastro> the entire SE thing is community driven
[19:44] <IdleOne> I have no problem with SE as a tool to be used, my thing is why are we advertising it in #u when we don't do it for every other tech help site
[19:46] <mneptok> especially the Ubuntu Porums, which have years of traction and Canonical's official blessing.
[19:46] <jcastro> I am pretty sure Porum is a Jewish holiday Kurt.
[19:46] <IdleOne> hahah
[19:47] <Pici> We did have a link in the topic in the past that listed the other support methods, but topic creep forced it out.
[19:47] <mneptok> jcastro: yeah, i celebrate it by eating pork and working on Friday night.
[19:47] <Pici> Thats "Purim", and its a stupid holiday.
[19:47] <jcastro> heh
[19:47] <Pici> But thats neither here nor there.  anyway.
[19:50] <topyli> the closest is the link to the irc guidelines, which mention other support methods, namely mailing list and the forums
[19:50] <mneptok> !support
[19:51] <mneptok> SE is not mentioned on - http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community
[19:51] <mneptok> the U Forums are.
[19:52] <jcastro> right
[19:52] <jcastro> We haven't gotten there yet
[19:52] <mneptok> so i fail to see why we would tout SE on the official IRC support channel while ignoring the Forums.
[19:53] <mneptok> (not that i'm a fan of the Forums, mind you. every time i visit i feel myself actually losing IQ points. and i have precious few to spare.)  >:)
[19:53] <jcastro> it's up to you guys, I don't feel strongly about irc topics
[19:53] <Pici> I'm sure there will be some backlash from the lp answers folks.  Anyway, I may be opening a can of worms here, but I think its constructive to try to promote other Ubuntu resources, official or not.  Its not like we're telling them to install automatix or something.
[19:53] <Pici> er, the first sentence was about getting t on the /support page.
[19:54] <jcastro> lp answers is unmaintained in lp unfortunately
[19:54] <jcastro> I hope to offer this as a replacement for Answers
[19:54] <mneptok> Pici: in my mind, we either promote all, or promote none as far as the /topic goes.
[19:54] <mneptok> i'd be fine with a factoid.
[19:55] <topyli> of those two, 'none' would be more feasible for a /topic. :)
[19:55] <mneptok> +1
[19:55] <topyli> this is new though, and as such might benefit for a short advertising run
[19:56] <topyli> i'd be more comfortable with listing support options somewhere and linking to that somewhere. or a factoid that covers them
[19:56] <topyli> like !support
[19:56] <Pici> topyli: you've echoed my thoughts exactly.
[19:56] <topyli> !patience
[19:57] <topyli> that's another much used factoid
[19:58] <mneptok> Pici: i fail to see any benefit in putting it in the /topic for "just a few days." in fact, we'd be hard-pressed to turn down a request from the Forums and LP Answers people if they asked for the same thing.
[19:59] <mneptok> i think the answer to *every* other support mechanism asking for advertising in the #u /topic is "we don't do that. but feel free to suggest a factoid."
[19:59] <Pici> mneptok: What do you think about adding it to !patience?
[20:00] <mneptok> Pici: i think that's a great idea.
[20:01] <Pici> I feel a bit better about that too.
[20:02] <mneptok> imagine this. i start my own forum and get some Google adword-fu going. i advertise the forum as "being run by a former Senior Ubuntu Support Analyst for Canonical!" i then ask to be added to the #u /topic, and complain loudly when you say no. "I'm an official Ubuntu community member, a Canonical alumnus, and a support person! and you did this for SE, which is NONE of those."
[20:02] <mneptok> you may then introduce your back to that brick wall. i have precedent on my side. ;)
[20:03] <Pici> !no repeat is <reply> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com
[20:04] <mneptok> i think the "we don't do that ... for *anyone*. but feel free to suggest a factoid," answer staves off a lot of potential problems.
[20:04] <Pici> I agree.  I was okay with it when I did it, but was having second thoughts.
[20:05] <mneptok> @login
[20:06] <mneptok> ubottu: stackexchange is <reply>StackExchange is a support resource that offers non-realtime support by the community! Can't get your problem fixed on IRC? Try StackExchange! - http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com
[20:07] <mneptok> and now we'll wait for SE fans to become as rabid as Forums people ;)
[20:07] <Pici> Well, do we have a Stack Exchange council yet?
[20:08] <mneptok> no, but i'm sure jcastro is sending e-mails with "URGENT!!!!!!one!!!!" in the SUBJ header to Jono every 37 minutes about that very topic. :)
[20:08] <jcastro> heh
[20:09]  * mneptok pets jcastro 
[20:22] <IdleOne> oops
[20:22] <IdleOne> sorry bout that
[20:29] <mneptok> MagicFab: hey!
[20:32] <MagicFab> mneptok, howdy !
[20:32] <MagicFab> wow lots of people here, was just curious ;)
[20:36] <jussi> MagicFab: is there anything we can give you assistance with?
[20:37] <MagicFab> jussi, not really - tx.
[20:38] <jussi> MagicFab: ok, please note /topic then :)
[20:38]  * MagicFab -> impressed by the warm reception :)
[20:38] <MagicFab> I did - cheers
[20:38] <IdleOne> hmm
[21:35] <Seveas-train> <-- Raugturi has quit (Quit: :(){ :|:& };:)
[21:35] <Seveas-train> just seen in #ubuntu
[21:35] <ikonia> naughty naughty
[21:35] <Seveas-train> do whatever you want with it :)
[21:35] <ikonia> good eyes
[21:37] <h00k> I found myself in ubuntu-unregged
[21:37] <ikonia> what the devil is going on in #ubuntu
[21:37] <ikonia> I can't place a forward
[21:37] <maco> banlist full?
[21:37] <ikonia> maybe
[21:38] <ikonia> oh, it did set
[21:38] <ikonia> it just didn't appear on my screen ????
[21:38] <h00k> My alt key isn't working. Maybe it's unity
[21:39] <h00k> I have to ctrl+n through
[21:41] <h00k> or /window n
[21:47]  * jpds just has /n
[21:48] <h00k> ...that too
[21:48] <h00k> wait, that gives me /names :)
[21:48] <jpds> Where n == unsigned int;
[21:49] <h00k> oh, oh. I see what you did there.
[21:50] <h00k> cept I don't have that set up.
[21:50] <jpds> http://narf-archive.com/pix/3e1daea1eb3a9e839e281a2a4a88f5c679800e54.jpg
[21:51] <jpds> h00k: /script exec for (1 .. 200) { Irssi::command("/alias $_ window goto $_") }
[21:51] <jpds> And then /save if you want to keep the aliases.
[21:52] <h00k> I've seen the doorbell one, it's genius.
[21:52] <h00k> jpds: you're a genius. Thank you.
[21:53] <jpds> h00k: I'm a doorbell?!
[21:53] <h00k> you have more than one button
[21:54] <jpds> \o/
[21:58] <h00k> woooah.
[22:10] <h00k> @login
[22:10] <h00k> @btlogin