[01:17] <zus> if i was going to master a song, how would i go about it? can i tell my friend to give  me the tracks in ..wav or .flac .mp3? is there even a tutorial on the master software?
[01:18] <holstein> zus: not reall
[01:18] <holstein> y
[01:18] <holstein> let me find an article for you
[01:18]  * holstein like to use Jammin
[01:18] <holstein> for a pre-mastering type of thing
[01:18] <holstein> anything that i acutually produce though i have mastered
[01:20] <holstein> zus: http://www.64studio.com/howto-mastering
[01:20] <zus> hey holstein  :) thanks,..
[01:23] <loaded> tried to find some reading material on how to use ninjam without success
[01:23] <loaded> build it but got couple of errors while @ it
[01:23] <loaded> :(
[01:23] <zus> can i import  files from cubase and  ableton, i'd like to  see if i can  put his track into my  ubuntustudios, and even KXStudios
[01:23] <loaded> gonna have to wait for todoesverso
[01:24] <loaded> hi zus
[01:25] <loaded> whats up?
[01:25] <holstein> zus: you'll want to export to wav or whatever
[01:25] <holstein> from those systems
[01:26] <holstein> then you can import those wavs into ardour
[01:26] <holstein> and others
[01:26] <holstein> loaded: :/
[01:26] <zus> what about the Vst's?
[01:26] <holstein> ask around in #osmp channel
[01:26] <holstein> those guys have installed it in ubuntu
[01:26] <loaded> xD
[01:27] <holstein> did you get build-essentials?
[01:27] <loaded> yes
[01:27] <holstein> hmmm
[01:27] <zus> hi loaded not much, my buddy has finsihed  tracks and i am looking  into what i need for  mixing producing and mastering them in UBS or KXS
[01:27] <holstein> zus: depends on the Vst's
[01:27] <holstein> i havent missed any of my old .exe's
[01:27] <holstein> but i didnt have any soft synths i really liked
[01:28] <holstein> http://www.linux-vst.com/
[01:28] <loaded> http://www.kvraudio.com/ free vst btw
[01:29] <holstein> i like these http://www.linuxdsp.co.uk/
[01:29] <holstein> loaded: nice
[01:29] <loaded> xD
[01:30] <loaded> i dont use vst that much and thats the only site i know that has free ones
[01:30] <loaded> freeones*
[01:31] <loaded> whats the most versatile instrument on the planet?
[01:31] <holstein> acoustic bass
[01:31] <holstein> da
[01:31] <loaded> no
[01:31] <loaded> qwerty
[01:31] <loaded> xD
[01:32] <loaded> or whatever format ur keyb is xD
[01:32] <holstein> yoshimi is nice
[01:32] <holstein> and easy to get going
[01:32] <holstein> zynaddsubfx
[01:32] <loaded> that comes in UBS
[01:32] <holstein> whysynth and the others like it are cool too
[01:32] <holstein> zynaddsubfx does
[01:33] <holstein> yoshimi is the newer version
[01:33] <holstein> less buggy
[01:33] <holstein> i get it from a PPA i can find if you need
[01:33] <loaded> never tried it tho except maybe the fact that rakarrack is based on it
[01:34] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/
[01:34] <holstein> and those ^^
[01:34] <zus> oo im late for  the florida team meeting ,... :( brb
[01:34] <loaded> xD nice stuff holstein
[01:35] <holstein> loaded: thats [lsd] 's
[01:35] <holstein> from #osmp
[01:36] <loaded> thats like the 3rd or 4th [lsd] page someone links me to today
[01:36] <loaded> xD
[01:36] <loaded> hes a busy man
[01:41] <Zed_> hello?
[01:41] <holstein> hey Zed_
[01:42] <loaded> hi Zed_
[01:42] <Zed_> whatsup
[01:43] <Zed_> still can't get jackd to run
[01:43] <holstein> D'oh
[01:43] <holstein> Zed_: whats the error?
[01:43] <holstein> can you pastebin the output here
[01:44] <Zed_> tried the upgrade of alsa, no change, watchdog timeout
[01:44] <holstein> OH thats right
[01:44] <holstein> you got a funny card or something
[01:44] <Zed_> maybe so
[01:44] <holstein> SBlive?
[01:44] <Zed_> yes
[01:44] <holstein> or the USB one?
[01:44] <holstein> OK
[01:44] <Zed_> SBlive pci
[01:45] <holstein> http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx
[01:45] <holstein> you can get one of those *so* cheap
[01:46] <Zed_> checking it out
[01:46] <holstein> and the quality is way better than what you'll be dealing with
[01:46] <loaded> Zed_: i use the SBlive pci on my desktop with no prob
[01:46] <holstein> with that SBlive
[01:46] <holstein> loaded: im assuming its got a funny chipset
[01:46] <loaded> no
[01:46] <holstein> ive always gotten them to work
[01:46] <loaded> actually its a EMU10k
[01:46] <holstein> Zed_: you dont get any sound right?
[01:47] <loaded> works like a charm m8
[01:47] <Zed_> no, i get sound alright, just cannot run jackd
[01:47] <loaded> i run it with jack
[01:47] <holstein> Zed_: interesting
[01:47] <loaded> no probs
[01:47] <loaded> one thing
[01:47] <loaded> whats the samplerate ur runnig njack
[01:47] <holstein> Zed_: output your error message here
[01:47] <holstein> in pastebin
[01:47] <holstein> from jack control
[01:47] <loaded> cause SB only goes up to 44.14
[01:47] <loaded> 44.1*
[01:47] <holstein> loaded: good point
[01:47] <Zed_> i'll retry starting it
[01:48] <loaded> if u run jack over that
[01:48] <holstein> loaded: do you check 'force 16 bit' ?
[01:48] <loaded> <<<< starting to learn some stuff xD
[01:48] <loaded> no
[01:48] <loaded> run it on RT with monitor
[01:48] <loaded> 2 steps 128 frames
[01:48] <loaded> 44.1
[01:49] <loaded> and it flies tbh
[01:49] <loaded> compared to my USB one @ same samplerate
[01:50] <loaded> Zed_: have u checked the input - outputs correctly
[01:50] <loaded> @ jack setup
[01:50] <loaded> i had that problem when i started using jack
[01:50] <Zed_> they're the defaults
[01:50] <loaded> was set to default so it was sending to built in soundcard
[01:51] <loaded> if u have a built in its not
[01:51] <Zed_> i have onboard audio disabled in bios
[01:51] <loaded> click on the ">" button
[01:51] <loaded> and select it from there
[01:51] <loaded> should be something like hw0
[01:54] <Zed_> still getting "jackd watchdog: timeout - killing jackd
[01:54] <loaded> can u paste bin like holstein  said?
[01:55] <Zed_> tell me how/where to pastebin
[01:55] <loaded> and a screen of ur settings tab
[01:55] <loaded> http://pastebin.com/
[01:56] <Zed_> btw, u cant copy from jackctl messages dialog
[01:56] <loaded> sample format for capture: 24bit little-endian
[01:56] <loaded> ALSA: use 2 periods for capture
[01:56] <loaded> ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 24bit little-endian
[01:56] <loaded> ALSA: use 2 periods for playback
[01:56] <loaded> JACK: unable to mlock() port buffers: Cannot allocate memory
[01:56] <loaded> JACK: unable to mlock() port buffers: Cannot allocate memory
[01:56] <loaded> 01:56:17.073 Server configuration saved to "/home/loaded/.jackdrc".
[01:56] <loaded> 01:56:17.079 Statistics reset.
[01:56] <loaded> 01:56:17.094 Client activated.
[01:56] <loaded> 01:56:17.099 JACK connection change.
[01:56] <loaded> 01:56:17.108 JACK connection graph change.
[01:56] <loaded> Enhanced3DNow! detected
[01:56] <loaded> like that
[01:56] <loaded> ctrl + c
[01:56] <loaded> ctrl + v
[01:59] <loaded> holstein: u ever seen zappa live?
[01:59] <holstein> nah
[01:59] <holstein> i would though
[01:59] <loaded> i wish i had
[01:59] <Zed_> changed default to hw:0, set force 16-bit, now messages fills up with xruns, then turns "gray" cannot copy ctrl + c
[02:00] <loaded> Zed_: why the force 16bit btw?
[02:00] <Zed_> i thought you said to try it
[02:00] <loaded> me?
[02:00] <loaded> nope
[02:00] <holstein> Zed_: nah
[02:00] <Zed_> how do i get my setup tab to pastbin?
[02:00] <holstein> i was just checking to see if loaded was doing that
[02:01] <loaded> i can send u a png with my settings
[02:01] <loaded> let me just power on my desktop
[02:01] <Zed_> ok
[02:01] <loaded> if u want that is
[02:01] <Zed_> sure
[02:01] <loaded> ok 1min
[02:01] <holstein> yeah
[02:02] <holstein> you should be able to mirror those settings
[02:02] <Zed_> ok, but still would like to know how to capture my status tab
[02:04] <Zed_> to be able to pastebin it
[02:04] <holstein> Zed_: pastebin the error window
[02:04] <holstein> that comes up
[02:04] <holstein> just right click and select all and copy
[02:04] <holstein> and pastebin
[02:06] <Zed_> message (error) window locks up after giving error msg, cannot copy from it
[02:06] <Zed_> have to xkill it
[02:06] <holstein> hmmm
[02:07] <holstein> thats gotta be somewhere
[02:07] <Zed_> hold on, i'll try to get a screenshot of all
[02:09] <loaded> Zed_: theres the screenshot
[02:10] <Zed_> where?
[02:10] <loaded> im waiting 4 u to accept the file
[02:11] <Zed_> how do i do that?
[02:11] <holstein> you can http://imagebin.org/
[02:11] <loaded> just timed out
[02:11] <loaded> sending again
[02:15] <loaded_> dropped
[02:15] <Zed_> my setup: http://imagebin.org/110140
[02:16] <holstein> unckeck realtime
[02:17] <holstein> frames/period 512
[02:17] <holstein> periods/buffer 3
[02:18] <loaded_> the only dif between yours and mine
[02:19] <loaded_> is that i have monitor mode on and no midi
[02:19] <loaded_> cause unless u have the midi cable it wont work XD
[02:20] <holstein> loaded_: thats great
[02:20] <holstein> you get 5.8ms pretty stable?
[02:20] <Zed_> error msgs: http://imagebin.org/110142
[02:20] <loaded_> holstein: yes
[02:21] <loaded_> humm
[02:21] <loaded_> Zed_: did u restart alsa?
[02:21] <Zed_> no
[02:22] <Zed_> will do it now
[02:22] <loaded_> oh
[02:22] <loaded_> and btw
[02:22] <loaded_> u have input and output channels configured as the same channel
[02:22] <loaded_> srry same interface
[02:23] <loaded_> just checked it u do
[02:23] <loaded_> bump
[02:23] <holstein> loaded_: OH
[02:24] <holstein> good eyes
[02:25] <loaded_> one thing i forgot to ask .. dunno if holstein did... do u have RT installed?
[02:26] <Zed_> yes, Linux rocky 2.6.31-11-rt #154-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Wed Jun 9 12:28:53 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:26] <loaded_> do u have all the jack libs installed?
[02:27] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/110143
[02:28] <loaded_> http://imagebin.org/110144
[02:32] <Zed_> errors: http://imagebin.org/110145
[02:35] <loaded_> weird
[02:35] <loaded_> u still runing the 16bit?
[02:35] <Zed_> no
[02:35] <holstein> i would go to #jack
[02:36] <holstein> and ask what 'got smaller periods 2 than 3 for capture' means
[02:36] <loaded_> agrred
[02:36] <holstein> and just go from there with the errors
[02:36] <holstein> i have no idea why thats not working
[02:36] <holstein> but if you get sound
[02:36] <holstein> otherwise
[02:36] <holstein> you should get sound with JACK
[02:36] <holstein> or be able to
[02:37] <Zed_> i have a turtle beach santa cruz i will swap with the SBlive and see what happens
[02:37] <holstein> Zed_: good idea
[02:37] <holstein> and maybe try a live CD
[02:37] <holstein> like avlinux
[02:37] <holstein> see if JACK starts
[02:37] <Zed_> i tried avlinux, got same error exactly
[02:37] <holstein> Zed_: AH
[02:37] <holstein> thats good to know
[02:38] <holstein> so its probably not your config then
[02:38] <holstein> yeah, try the other card
[02:38] <holstein> thats easy enough
[02:40] <Zed_> ok, bye for now, swapping cards
[02:40] <loaded_> cya
[02:44] <loaded_> i was really hopping todoesverso showed up so i could setup ninjam
[02:45] <loaded_> that idea of jamming along with ppl @ 5000 miles away its to good to be true
[02:49] <zus> loaded_,  what??!?!
[02:49] <zus> no way
[02:49] <zus> what is this  ninjam?
[02:49] <loaded_> O.o
[02:49] <loaded_> im about to leave
[02:49] <loaded_> but
[02:50] <loaded_> u can check it out @ http://www.ninjam.com/
[02:50] <loaded_> i heard lost of folks in here done jams with it
[02:50] <loaded_> including holstein
[02:50] <loaded_> xD
[02:51] <loaded_> cya later on
[02:51] <loaded_> nna ll
[02:51] <zus> sweet, take it easy if  ya leaving, holstein  gave me a bit to read lol
[02:51] <holstein> OH zus
[02:51] <holstein> your in the US right?
[02:52] <zus> lol yup
[02:52] <holstein> http://www.tapeop.com/subscription/
[02:52] <zus> below you
[02:53] <holstein> this is a free mag
[02:53] <holstein> great stuff
[02:53] <holstein> and its free in the UK too
[02:53]  * holstein just noticed
[02:53] <zus> lol in florida even
[02:53] <holstein> hehe
[02:53] <holstein> great articles in there
[02:54] <zus> thanks
[02:57] <zus> holstein, haha the  UDS is going to be  in Orlando Florida from what i understand
[02:58] <holstein> you going?
[03:14] <zus> holstein,  i miihgt if i can get a ride,..
[03:16] <zus> that magazine survey doesnt have an option for software i got  lol
[10:21] <ubiman> how can i make request for ubuntu studio cd
[22:05] <elix1on> Hi! I'm quite new to GNU/Linux OS's, and i'm trying out a few distros, like ubuntu 10.04, and ubuntu studio 10.04. Running them in VMware Fusion under Snow Leopard. Trying to install ubuntu studio, but after installation i can't launch the desktop environment, it doesn't launch automatically. Gnome not installed, startx (X server) not isntalled, and no Grub installed, that's what it tells me when i try to launch them all
[22:05] <elix1on> . What's gone wrong?
[22:06] <elix1on> Ubuntu 10.04 works fine, so does Fedora KDE Spin and Ultimate Edition in my virtual machine.
[22:07] <elix1on> I know I can run sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, or something like sudo apt-get install gnome/gdk or something
[22:07] <elix1on> but why isn't it already installed as it should be?
[22:09] <elix1on> Anyone?
[22:15] <loaded> elix1on: should start gdm
[22:15] <loaded> without need to run it from console with startx
[22:16] <loaded> and yes it should be ready to run
[22:16] <elix1on> loaded: i've tried that, but it says that gdm ain't installed
[22:16] <loaded> do u have access to console under the VM
[22:16] <elix1on> yes
[22:17] <loaded> try runnign dmesg and look for error mssgs
[22:17] <elix1on> ok, will try that
[22:17] <elix1on> thanks
[22:17] <loaded> np
[22:17] <loaded> let me know what u find
[22:17] <elix1on> will do
[22:18] <loaded> better
[22:18] <loaded> try this
[22:18] <loaded> dmesg | grep -i -e error -e warning
[22:18] <elix1on> alright
[22:18] <elix1on> yeah cos regular dmesg comes up with a lot of things, it's still running through
[22:19] <loaded> yeah xD
[22:25] <loaded> elix1on: ??
[22:25] <loaded> nothing yet?
[22:25] <elix1on> can't find any errors!
[22:25] <loaded> weird
[22:26] <elix1on> well, the .ISO file was burnt on a DVD and then installed from the DVD, no errors during installation. could it be that I should try downloading and burning it again?
[22:26] <elix1on> or is that not the problem
[22:26] <zus> loaded,  how ya doing?
[22:26] <loaded> elix1on: can u cat gdm.conf?
[22:26] <loaded> hi zus
[22:27] <loaded> have u tried out ninjam?
[22:27] <elix1on> it says The program 'gdm' currently not installed, etc etc, when i try to run gdm
[22:27] <zus> not yet,
[22:27] <elix1on> cat gdm.conf, lemme try
[22:27] <zus> im have a few thigns to get through before i got to ninjam  :L)
[22:27] <elix1on> nope doesn't work
[22:28] <elix1on> i mean i can always just install gdm, but i don't get why it isn't already installed, bit annoying.
[22:29] <loaded> try this
[22:29] <loaded> elix1on: dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[22:30] <elix1on> i get: gdm is not installed
[22:31] <elix1on> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: gdm not installed
[22:31] <loaded> god dam
[22:32] <loaded> elix1on: sudo apt-get install –reinstall gdm
[22:32] <elix1on> loaded: Couldn't find package reinstall
[22:33] <loaded> zus: u need to get that going so we can have a massive jam
[22:33] <loaded> elix1on: sudo apt-get install gdm
[22:34] <zus> loaded yeah, man i can only imagine...
[22:34] <loaded> elix1on: im assuming u have xserver-xorg
[22:35] <loaded> zus: did u listen to the jam @ the Db stream?
[22:35] <loaded> zus: some nice jams in there
[22:35] <elix1on> loaded: yes that works fine, thanks. did that after my first installation attempt, but tried installing it again to see whether it would work without having to install gdm the second time.
[22:35] <loaded> elix1on: so all is good yeah?
[22:36] <elix1on> loaded: yes, it's getting gdm now :)
[22:36] <zus> im going to try to install windows 7 on a 20gigHDD and reinstall KXStudios from a livedvd.  maybe flash would stop crashing
[22:36] <elix1on> loaded: just curious why it isn't installed by default really :P
[22:36] <loaded> zus: waaattt winblows???
[22:36] <loaded> elix1on: way outta my head dude...cant really say
[22:37] <loaded> elix1on: did u run it from live dvd?
[22:37] <elix1on> loaded: alright, well thanks anyway, appreciate it
[22:37] <zus> yeah, windonts7
[22:37] <elix1on> loaded: no not live dvd, there's no live cd/dvd of ubuntu studio
[22:39] <zus> i spent the last 2 day playing with mint 9 KDE
[22:39] <loaded> elix1on: i meant from a dvd iso
[22:40] <loaded> elix1on: or cd whatever
[22:40] <elix1on> loaded: yes dvd iso
[22:40] <loaded> elix1on: did u check md5?
[22:41] <elix1on> loaded: umm that's prolly outta my league, did a regular verification in Toast (mac os x), but that's not to much help is it
[22:42] <elix1on> forgive me, pretty new to this, been running Mac OS since i was a kid, but never really used a CLI until a few weeks ago, been trying to learn the basics for everything that ahs to with linux, but takes time..
[22:43] <loaded> elix1on: np im a noob myself
[22:44] <loaded> elix1on: just do this
[22:44] <loaded> if u still have the iso
[22:44] <loaded> elix1on: cd to iso path ... then "md5sum isofile"
[22:45] <loaded> it will return something like - 8895167a794c5d8dedcc312fc62f1f1f ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[22:45] <elix1on> don't have the iso, will download it again. but ok, i know how to do that.
[22:45] <elix1on> yeah
[22:46] <loaded> elix1on: u get the idea the return value must be the same as the one from source
[22:47] <elix1on> oh yeah i see, that's why they always post the md5 sum
[22:47] <elix1on> alright, i get it then, will download it again and check it
[22:47] <loaded> elix1on: i think ubuntustudio md5 is actually within the iso itself so u can do md5sum -c isofile
[22:47] <loaded> if it matches it will return "ok"
[22:47] <elix1on> do you have to check it again once it's burnt to a dvd?
[22:47] <elix1on> cool
[22:47] <loaded> yes
[22:48] <loaded> thats the deal
[22:48] <loaded> sometimes after burning u can loose something
[22:48] <loaded> if u checksum
[22:48] <elix1on> so check it with the original (if posted), then once downloaded, then checksum again after burning
[22:48] <loaded> you´l be sure nothing was left behind
[22:48] <loaded> yes xD
[22:48] <elix1on> cool, thanks for the help, appreciated!
[22:49] <elix1on> prolly the nicest thing so far with  gnu/linux, people are very willing to help, love it!
[22:49] <loaded> elix1on: np
[22:50] <loaded> elix1on: im having huge support also
[22:50] <loaded> elix1on: learned some nice stuff in here
[22:50] <elix1on> well, gdm start's up nice, but there's defo something still wrong, everythings missing, installed applications etc..
[22:51] <loaded> oh
[22:52] <elix1on> loaded: yeah i'm gonna stick to this channel, will prolly need a lot of help now that im about to switch from dual booting mac os x/win xp to single-booting linux (what distro i'll choose)
[22:52] <elix1on> whatever distro*
[22:52] <loaded> elix1on: sudo apt-get update
[22:53] <elix1on> seem like system entries are missing, there's about four alternatives under system - preferences
[22:53] <loaded> elix1on: well kinda depends what ure looking for
[22:53] <elix1on> defo gonna re-download and checksum
[22:53] <loaded> elix1on: afaik everyone has a distro of choice
[22:55] <elix1on> loaded: well im a design student, using photoshop indesign etc ec under mac os x, and rhino 3ds max and autocad etc etc under win xp, but i figure ubuntu studio comes with some nice pre-installed things for multimedia, and then i figured using either wine or most likely crossover for photoshop and all the rest, thino etc
[22:55] <loaded> elix1on: well in that case i supose studio is the one for you
[22:56] <loaded> elix1on: altho im not familiar with gimp cinelerra and other graphic tools studio comes along i hear good things about them
[22:57] <elix1on> loaded: yes probably studio or just ubuntu lucid and then install whatever i might need. had a look at opensuse too but i figured i might stick to any *buntu derivative
[22:57] <loaded> elix1on: but u can allways check in the channels and im almost sure someone will come to aid
[22:58] <elix1on> loaded: yes i've heard gimp is sposed to be really good, and there's blender as well for 3d modelling, but it takes a bit of time to learn anyway.
[22:59] <loaded> blender is awsome
[22:59] <elix1on> loaded: will check in the channels, but if i get the studio install alright i probably won't have to much problems to start with :)
[22:59] <loaded> i had the chance to check out some tuts when i 1st installed studio
[22:59] <loaded> cinelerra is great for video
[23:00] <loaded> inkscape for vectorial graphics etc
[23:00] <elix1on> loaded: they tought us rhino and 3ds max in school, so i guess im just being convenient by sticking to them for now, but i will give blender a go, if i can learn would be awesome since it's free, rhino etc are well expensive, if you buy them.
[23:01] <elix1on> if i can get free from photoshop and all other adobe software i would be very satisfied, would save me a lot of hassle
[23:02] <elix1on> loaded: any idea whether crossover is better/ more stable than wine? googled it for a few hours, and it seemed like crossover was a bit more popular and better
[23:03] <loaded> elix1on: afaik winehq is the way but hey i only use it to run pokerstars software xD
[23:03] <loaded> let me ask trans
[23:04] <elix1on> is there a difference between wine and winehq, or is winehq just the new name? read on some forum that wine was still in alpha or beta stage or something, and that winehq was way further ahead
[23:06] <loaded> elix1on: i thought they were the same ... anyway winehq has a really nice DB Application feature u might wanna check it out
[23:08] <elix1on> yeah i had a look there, all the software i wanna run is supposed to work perfectly!
[23:08] <loaded> elix1on: humm even PS?
[23:10] <elix1on> hm no
[23:10] <elix1on> i only looked "overall" or something
[23:10] <elix1on> aparrently cs4 and cs5 only works "ok" or "silver"
[23:11] <elix1on> is crossover not an emulator, like wine?
[23:12] <loaded> elix1on: cant really say since i dont know crossover .... but afaik winehq is the way to go
[23:12] <loaded> elix1on: might be wrong tho
[23:13] <elix1on> loaded: alright. says on crossovers DB that only photoshop works, doh.
[23:15] <loaded> elix1on: dunno about PS on winehq but last i read it had like silver or something
[23:15] <elix1on> yeah it says silver
[23:16] <loaded> elix1on: u might wanna check what features dont run then
[23:17] <elix1on> well rhino and PS has it's equivalents blender and gimp, but it's indesign and illustrator i'm more worried about now.
[23:17] <loaded> elix1on: have u checked them under wine?
[23:18] <elix1on> yeah they have garbage
[23:18] <elix1on> looks like i have to either dual boot or run a virtual machine anyway i put it, bit annoying.
[23:19] <elix1on> best way would be to run win 7 only, but i dont like winblows for many reasons :P
[23:20] <loaded> elix1on: well deppending on ur pc specs u might run a VM but u know that sucks up a decent part of resources right?
[23:21] <elix1on> loaded: i know.. but i dunno what else to do unless sticking to dualbooting mac os x/win xp/7.
[23:22] <elix1on> got a macbook, intel core 2 duo, 2.13 ghz, 4gb 800 mhz ddr2 ram,nvidida geforce 9400m
[23:25] <loaded> elix1on: that should be enought
[23:25] <loaded> dont forget to install RT kernell tho
[23:26] <elix1on> real-time kernel? yeah that was default in the earlier studio releases but i remember reading it's not anymore
[23:27] <plotino> hi holstein
[23:28] <loaded> elix1on: since 2.6.28 i think u need to check the packages
[23:28] <plotino> you remember me?
[23:28] <plotino> today my jack is working
[23:30] <elix1on> loaded: can i use an emulator to install only the software i wanna run without having to install the whole OS, or is it easier ro just run the whole OS under a VM?
[23:31] <loaded> elix1on: u mean under studio?
[23:31] <elix1on> yeah, or any *buntu
[23:31] <loaded> elix1on: afaik u can and should just install the Apps u want
[23:32] <loaded> elix1on: no need to install the extra crap
[23:33] <elix1on> loaded: well in VMware Fusion (the one for os x) for example, i can choose to run only the software i want, but i still need the whole OS installed to run it under afaik
[23:35] <loaded> elix1on: sure u need the libs i meant the Apps
[23:35] <loaded> elix1on: no need for those
[23:36] <elix1on> loaded: oh right, i see what you mean
[23:40] <elix1on> loaded: found Macindows, which lets you run windows applications with the OS, dunno how good it is tho, and if there's a linux alternative, gaah
[23:41] <loaded> elix1on: Macindows ... wonder what uncle Bill and uncle Steve feel about that xD
[23:42] <elix1on> loaded: probably crying in their sleep about it! need to find a good solution tho, triple-booting seems like too much hassle xD
[23:44] <loaded> elix1on: if it wasnt for gamming i could tell u i was 100% soft free
[23:46] <elix1on> loaded: i would love to be, and it probably possible, will just take a lot of time to find good equivalents for everything i use
[23:48] <loaded> elix1on: i think the trick isnt in the software itself but in the way u have it tweaked to match your system
[23:50] <loaded> elix1on: all music software i used under windows i´ve found an equally good under linux
[23:51] <loaded> elix1on: with the advantage thats free...and in most cases i get much better support
[23:51] <elix1on> loaded: that's true i suppose, and although there are file format converters etc for linux, i will still face problems in the workshops at my university. we make design products using CNC routers etc, and it has to be in the autocad, rhino and 3ds max formats to work etc..
[23:51] <elix1on> loaded: the free and good support part is what makes me wanna switch to linux
[23:52] <loaded> elix1on: i used to to shoe design using CNC and cad software and it was all Linux based
[23:52] <elix1on> loaded: but there's always that same problem with being convenient that makes it a bit harder for people to switch from os x or win to linux, they find ways to get you "stuck" to their OS's in several ways :P
[23:53] <elix1on> loaded: really? so they support the same formats?
[23:53] <loaded> elix1on: well the Apps they use for CAD/CAM yes
[23:54] <elix1on> loaded: that's good news for me. did you use QCad? trying to find good replacements for AutoCAD
[23:55] <loaded> elix1on: we had Delcam as software and some Italian co that supplied the CNC but it was all under Linux
[23:56] <loaded> elix1on: Shoe design we use an Industry written Apps
[23:56] <elix1on> loaded: indsutry written as in you buy the product? or what do you mean
[23:56] <loaded> elix1on: never tried qcad tho but i have a friend thats a civil eng that tried it and didnt like it
[23:57] <loaded> elix1on: yes the App is written from a source code block but to your own specs
[23:58] <elix1on> loaded: oh i see
[23:59] <loaded> elix1on: otherwise would be a nightmare to keep up with so many different work envyronments and work flows