[01:49] We'll be wanting http://www.afiestas.org/bluedevil-1-0rc3-released/ === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === Tm_Tr_ is now known as Tm_Tr === Nicke is now known as 18VABDTK5 === seaLne_ is now known as seaLne === seawolf is now known as Guest59228 [11:12] Hey [11:13] do we have pim packages for maveric? [11:13] the new akonadi based pim [11:15] sheytan: yes, in experimental [11:16] Riddell you mean experimental repo, right? [11:16] if yes, can you link it ;) [11:17] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental [11:17] ulyssess thank you :) === markey_ is now known as markey === tuos_ is now known as tuos === ryanakca_ is now known as ryanakca [12:36] apachelogger: poke? [12:36] apachelogger: is there a way to make cia bot report only the commits that are pushed? [12:37] (seeing that you folks use it extensively :) ) [12:40] nigelb: no [12:40] well [12:40] technically [12:40] but that should be done on the launchpad side of things [12:40] ... [12:42] apachelogger: Oh, thank you :) [13:36] Riddell: anime ... but still no youtube :( [13:37] there is some silly server-side-session-authentication stuff going on that does not play well with qtwebkit obtaining the URL but vlc trying to access it :S [13:37] hmm, that's annoying [13:38] http://imgur.com/E5rVe [13:38] but audio && video && webm video is working [13:44] Riddell: so what do we do about rekonq? should we revisit the discussion? [13:45] * apachelogger still thinks konqueror with qtwebkit would be the better choice if it must be qtwebkit [13:46] apachelogger: does rekonq still randomly crash? [13:46] debfx: not as often as before, but still way too often [13:49] * shadeslayer pokes JontheEchidna with muon stick [13:49] dude.... muon fails at authentication :( [13:49] x_o [13:50] shadeslayer: you said kpackagekit did too, right? [13:50] apachelogger: the crashes aren't reproducible? [13:50] JontheEchidna: apparently kpk now auths :P [13:50] hmm [13:50] well it's a polkit-kde-1 bug anyways. Nothing I can do [13:50] debfx: not really [13:51] shadeslayer: does it give you a password dialog and fail to accept the password? [13:51] or just instafail? [13:51] * apachelogger is wondering how long dell needs to process a order :O [13:51] JontheEchidna: theres *no* password dialog et all [13:51] apachelogger: as in delivery? [13:51] hmm, yeah. polkit-kde-1 bug in that case [13:51] no [13:51] or just processing the order and getting back [13:51] it can't communicate with the polkit daemon or something [13:52] as in actually acknowledging the order [13:52] shadeslayer: is there a polkit-kde-auth process running? [13:52] JontheEchidna: yes [13:52] apachelogger: well.. if you ordered beyong their buisness hours, then next working buisness day [13:53] *beyond [13:53] shadeslayer: try killing it and restarting with /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 [13:53] shadeslayer: almost 48h now [13:55] JontheEchidna: nope, nothing [13:55] apachelogger: :O [13:56] apachelogger: also... dont get a dell :P [13:56] try and avoid it ; [13:56] honest to god I would rather avoid all the crap out there [13:56] shadeslayer: welp, not much I can tell you. it's a polkit-kde bug. kpackagekit users have randomly seen it since jaunty (kde bug 246346) [13:56] and if you DO get one... get 3 years of warranty [13:56] KDE bug 246346 in general "Muon returns an "Authentication error" when hitting "Check for Updates"" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=246346 [13:57] JontheEchidna: lets see [13:57] * apachelogger should have gotten a business machine from hp and be happy and not have to wait days for them to process an order [13:59] apachelogger: have your ordered it online? [13:59] yes [14:01] in my experience ordering by phone is better with dell [14:02] yeah [14:02] apachelogger: call them :P [14:02] and skream, then you might get a discount [14:03] I shall do so [14:03] no seriously, they might just give you a discount :P [14:13] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1165481 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp compile++ [14:48] agateau: nice to see the blog on planet kde that KDE visualnotifications will query if notify-osd or whatever can handle actions now [14:48] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1165502 * trunk/kdereview/libqapt/src/package.cpp Actually fix bug 248376 I had accidentally committed some unrelated Muon changes, thinking I had committed this set. CCBUG:BUG:248376 [14:48] Launchpad bug 248376 in vmware-server (Ubuntu) "VMWare server causes keyboard problems in ubuntu host" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248376 [14:48] Riddell: yep, this thing moved during akademy [14:48] Riddell: my work is not lost after all [15:14] what on earth [15:14] my internet is unusable === 18VABDTK5 is now known as Nicke_ [15:50] * shadeslayer looks for testers [15:50] what for shadeslayer? [15:51] Riddell: k3b patch + new k3b package from kde bug 238819 [15:51] KDE bug 238819 in kdeui "k3b crashes during opening the Window for Settings - Configure k3b" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=238819 [15:51] where is it? [15:52] Riddell: building on my pbuilder, will upload to ppa [15:53] apachelogger: ping [16:04] Riddell: pong [16:07] apachelogger: yo, I need to fill in your evaluation [16:07] where can i find your tar of bits again? [16:07] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/Harald_Sitter.tar.gz [16:08] apachelogger: how are the "upstream" merges doing? [16:09] Riddell: syncdaemon was rejected because the token lookup is going to move to ubuntu-sso-client [16:09] desktopcouch is still pending [16:10] come to think of it, I still need to justify stuff, because I need to make my points multiple times because upstream lacks a mailing list -.- [16:21] ho hum, new k3b @ https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental [16:22] when lp process the build and builds it... [16:22] Riddell: what do we do with u1-kde? [16:23] * apachelogger does not think that including it makes much sense without dedicated maintainer since upstream is an always moving target [16:23] * apachelogger notes that he does not want to take on maintainership [16:24] apachelogger: maintainership as in the coding part? [16:24] ^they should just hire you to do it already :P [16:25] shadeslayer: yep, keeping up with what changes in the syncdaemon [16:25] hmm [16:25] JontheEchidna: then I probably could not move to owncloud ;) [16:26] * apachelogger cleans up his phonon-vlc changes so he can commit them soonish [16:27] Riddell: any insight on to why germinate wants to do this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/480474/ [16:29] nvm: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.maverick/revision/1547 (and 1546) [16:45] oxymoron: does rekonq from daily ppa work for you? [16:47] bulldog98: around? [16:51] apachelogger: hum, without a maintainer it'll probably not get anywhere :( [16:53] yeah, but it really needs someone who stays on top of what the ubuntuone people do and that requires more dedication than I am willing to give (considering how time consuming interaction with upstream is) [16:54] also I think from a scalability POV owncloud could easily become more intersting for Kubuntu at large as I do not see the ubuntuone client spare a lowlevel system (think mobile) without rewrite in C or C++ [16:55] so what owncloud ultimately could archive is hook up with akonadi (essentially implement another akonadi storage on the server side I suppose) and thus provide synchronization at larger scale than u1 [16:56] * apachelogger dreaming that is ^^ [16:59] shadeslayer: Yeah I giess :) [16:59] oxymoron: does it pull in kde 4.5 ? [17:00] The program 'apt' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk [17:00] right ^^ [17:05] apachelogger: should I pass or fail you? [17:05] lol [17:05] Riddell: pass pretty please ... I promise cookies and some good wine ;) [17:06] it's a deal, passed [17:06] congratulations [17:07] apachelogger: can you do a blog to summarise your project experiences and outcomes? [17:07] haha :P [17:07] apachelogger: aww i hope it keeps going... [17:07] * shadeslayer kongrats apachelogger [17:07] er...not that ive managed to make it actually sync anything at all yet [17:07] maco: works for me on maverick :P [17:07] im on maverick [17:08] on all my systems [17:08] apachelogger: what did you add to dpkg --compare-versions to echo the result? [17:08] maco: :O [17:08] every time they start up they go "oh you need to auth!" and then ask "do you want to add this computer to your U1 account?" [17:08] and then i think "well, i've added you 5 times already, but i guess it wouldnt hurt to add you a 6th time" [17:08] lol [17:09] works for me everytime here [17:09] shadeslayer: echo $? [17:09] oh theres ? after $ [17:10] $? is a variable of bash [17:10] or really any shell [17:10] also most interpreter languages have it [17:11] shadeslayer: the only thing that sync'd for me was tomboy... [17:11] er well..it pushed stuff to u1 web thing [17:11] i dont have tomboy on my other machines so hasnt pulled [17:11] oxymoron: bulldog98 ok, so now, im going to rename the rekonq daily package, im keeping the old packages in the ppa, but im making a new package rekonq-daily which conflicts with norma rekonq [17:12] Riddell: cheers .... sure, actually I am wondering since monday on what to blog in particular ^^ [17:12] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/bgMGdtBG << dude, kdepimlibs doesnt compile on maverick, i haz the akonadi 1.4 from packages [17:13] oh man [17:13] i think kdesupport didnt compile akonadi [17:13] maco: :O check that you actually granted access to kwallet to all U1/Ubuntu SSO components [17:14] apachelogger: what can you do with the code today, what still needs to be done to make it a work of perfection, how you found working with upstream KDE and Canonical, how you found working with me and Kubuntu [17:14] in systemsettings' wallet config thingy you can list all authorized apps [17:14] something in the 10.04.1 release deleted my panels [17:14] if the apps are not authorized it will fail silently [17:14] apachelogger: what were the coding challenges and how you overcame them [17:14] something that really ought to change I think [17:14] always these interviews [17:15] apachelogger: i think i did. ubuntu sso asks me to unlock kwallet even before knm does. ive hit "allow always" on every ubuntu one / ubuntu sso / syncdaemon / well, everything that's ever asked... [17:16] my kubuntu vm at work seems to work fine... it downloaded contents of ~/Ubuntu\ One/ but my laptops don't [17:18] or rather, it worked fine at least once ;-) [17:18] apachelogger: http://mackenzie.morgan.name/tmp/firefox_customised1.png <-- see the statusnotifier's icon? thats how it looks on all my systems. connect never succeeds [17:18] Riddell: you can... access the ubuntuone REST api in every readonly fashion and hence display information about the user's account, subscription, authorized devices and couchdb ... display the state of files regarding syncroniztaion and up/download need (if an .ubuntuone file is present and the dolphin plugin active) ... write client implementations that access the UbuntuOne SyncDaemon using a KDE library, this includes but is not limited [17:18] to managing shares and folders as well as throttling settings ... enhance aforementioned library by more functions without much hassle since currently all of the syncdaemon's dbus interfaces are introspected (i.e. Qt Dbus interfaces are created an one just needs to enhance the KDE library to expose the appropriate interfaces) [17:19] ... [17:20] dolphin plugin? [17:20] dolphin has plugins? [17:21] Riddell: ... write status tracking/controlling interfaces such as plasmoids ... tack the status and control the syncdaemon using the included statusnotifier ... configure and manage various aspects of ubuntuone using the KCM ... display information in KInfoCenter using the other part of the KCM ... authenticate via Ubuntu SSO to ubuntuone and technicaly any other service that is linked to Ubuntu SSO [17:21] * apachelogger thinks that is about it [17:21] oooo [17:22] "version control systems" ... im not sure id think of U1 as a VCS, but... does this imply a bzr plugin and a "Commit" button could be made? O_O [17:22] * txwikinger wants to write a dolphin plugin [17:22] Riddell: what is missing for perfection is more configuration settings in the KCMs ... proper dolphin plugin ... adapting the Qt Ubuntu SSO client to the new upstream foo they are doing [17:23] apachelogger: are you pasting your blog to me? [17:23] no :P [17:23] you asked :P [17:23] Is there anywhere a howto for writing a kate plugin? [17:24] apachelogger: I asked you to blog :) [17:24] oh [17:24] Riddell: I thought it was general interview ^^ [17:24] oh wellz, now I actually know what to start my blog with :D [17:24] Riddell: sry [17:25] well it is but may as well make the results publicly available through the medium of blogging :) [17:25] maco: wth is that ugly browser thingy [17:25] maco: well, if you look at the API there are not a lot of differences between u1 and a VCS [17:25] shadeslayer: thats firefox :P [17:25] shadeslayer: with vertical space used by not-the-webpage minimised [17:26] Riddell: so shall I continue pasting my blog? :P [17:26] wow... i never would have imagined.. FF is certainly going down the drain with its designs [17:26] shadeslayer: huh? i did that [17:26] txwikinger: looking at the other plugins I suppose [17:26] i guess people only keep it because of plugins :D [17:26] txwikinger: or maybe the apidox help [17:26] maco: the design? [17:27] :o [17:27] shadeslayer: the layout of the widgets? [17:27] shadeslayer: you are compiling kdepimlibs trunk [17:27] not 4.5 [17:27] apachelogger: yes, seems my kdesupport is out of date [17:27] apachelogger: naw I'll read it in blog form [17:27] in just over a day [17:27] KDE needs better documentation [17:27] Riddell: ok ^^ [17:27] txwikinger: feel free to get cracking on that [17:28] shadeslayer: all-in-one sidebar to get rid of the bookmarks toolbar and store things in the far side, tabkit to get tabs over the side since screens are too darned short these days (but far too wide) and so i can have a tree of tabs (those coloured ones expand), and edited the toolbars to put all the navigation stuff in menubar so vertical space isnt wasted [17:28] * Riddell notes that qimageblitz needs an update if anyone wants to do some packaging [17:28] * apachelogger found it terribly difficult to document his library foo because it was abstract stuff [17:28] apachelogger: I would if I had the knowledge.. but I don't that's why I am looking for some [17:28] also my permissions are screwed up [17:28] txwikinger: inspect the stuff and write dox for it :) [17:28] I am sure that is what most before you did [17:28] just that no one bothered to write it down it seems [17:28] maco: i just use plain old chromium daily builds :) [17:29] * apachelogger uses the plain old konqueror with dragon ball inside ^^ [17:29] apachelogger: yeah.. and then I blog about it [17:29] apachelogger: you mean rekonq? :P [17:29] shadeslayer: can i put the tabs on the side in a tree layout with chromium? [17:29] shadeslayer: konqueror [17:29] apachelogger: rekonq it is! [17:29] :P [17:30] * apachelogger uses rekonq for debugging though [17:30] maco: no :( [17:30] killall konqueror turns out bad if I have qt docs open in one instance of it :P [17:30] i have loads of screen space tho :D [17:30] apachelogger: what does the dolphin plugin do? [17:30] while killall rekonq only executes the unavoidable [17:30] maco: you can iconise the tabs [17:30] apachelogger: i enabled it and restarted dolphin like it said...and i dont see a change [17:30] maco: display whether the file is up-to-date [17:30] ah [17:30] ok [17:30] maco: you need .ubuntuone file [17:30] see my first mail about ubuntuone to the kubuntu list [17:31] so [17:31] apachelogger: even in ~/Ubuntu\ One/ ? [17:31] yes [17:31] that is how those silly plugins work [17:31] maco: http://imgur.com/pXjmQ << see first 2 tabs [17:31] * maco was hoping it added a "share with U1!" button to properties -> sharing [17:31] dolphin will not delegate the view to the plugin unless such a thingy is there [17:31] hm [17:31] shadeslayer: i like mine better. you still have a tab row [17:31] maco: I think I ran into thread problems there [17:32] oh [17:32] maco: a tiny tab row.. takes up about 0.5 cm i guess [17:32] * apachelogger prepares phonon-vlc commit that adds him to the AUTHORS file :P [17:32] * apachelogger schedules blogging after that [17:33] maco: that said, it is possible to add entries, but I just did not bother because the current api has obvious shortcomings that first need to be resolved anyway [17:33] like that .ubuntuone file [17:33] (which btw will then get sycned to the cloud ;)) [17:33] ok [17:33] haha [17:39] one more change between the world and qtwebkit