[00:46] <Ginbuntu> what is the command to upgrade my system?
[00:46] <Ginbuntu> I have 10.04 but I want to upgrade to kde 4.5
[00:46] <Ginbuntu> I have backports enabled
[00:50] <Ginbuntu> ??
[01:09] <zus> i found my Kubuntu 10.04 disc, if i use that can i upggrade to kde 4.5 or do i have to take all the steps.
[01:25] <pendock> can anybody hell;
[01:26] <pendock> *help
[01:26] <pendock> Im trying to associate activities with virtual desktops
[01:26] <pendock> Im using KDE 4.5
[01:26] <pendock> It doesn't make any sense at all
[01:39] <wea0> Problem: Dialogs which require elevated privileges no longer respect the widget style; it looks like this: http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7374/nooxygen.png (lucid KDE 4.5)
[01:43] <ansong> so i've got a bunch of ebooks in epub format. i've upgraded from 4.4.5 to 4.5 and now okular won't open these files. is this just me or is it an okular problem?
[04:15] <richardjason> whats this?
[05:10] <nova> saludos terricolas
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[05:11] <FloodBotK3> nova: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:11] <nova> ok
[05:18] <tom_> why is firefox so slow?
[05:20] <HERPADERP> Its not.
[05:24] <HERPADERP> .
[05:24] <HERPADERP> .
[05:24] <HERPADERP> .
[05:24] <FloodBotK3> HERPADERP: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:28] <tom_> what are we comparing to?
[05:31] <HERPADERP> Nothing.
[05:31] <xenthral> nothing is the slowest man
[05:31] <xenthral> no wonder you think firefox is fast :P
[05:32] <HERPADERP> What are you smoking? Firefox and chrome are the only browsers i use.
[05:33] <HERPADERP> Both are reasonably fast, with chrome having a SLIGHT advantage
[05:35] <jimbo_> cough
[05:36] <xenthral> I think the start up difference is huge
[05:36] <xenthral> and also javascript on webkit is much faster
[05:36] <xenthral> other then that, for regular browsing, the difference is not that big IMHO
[05:36] <HERPADERP> How long does yours take? For chrome its about 3 sec firefox is about 4
[05:36] <HERPADERP> But browsing is about the same
[05:37] <xenthral> real    0m2.771s
[05:37] <HERPADERP> What? Chrome?
[05:37] <xenthral> real    0m10.039s
[05:37] <xenthral> chrome, firefox
[05:38] <HERPADERP> Wow i can understand now. Whats your specs?
[05:38] <xenthral> dual core E2200
[05:39] <HERPADERP> RAM?
[05:39] <xenthral> 3gb
[05:39] <HERPADERP> Hmmm
[05:40] <HERPADERP> Graphics card? or is it onboard?
[05:42] <xenthral> GF8800GT
[05:43] <HERPADERP> Well .....Don't know what to tell you ha
[05:43] <xenthral> I'm not sure what you're arguing
[05:44] <xenthral> I think you'll find massive consensus that chrome is indeed faster than firefox
[05:44] <xenthral> how much that actually matters though, up for debate
[05:44] <HERPADERP> My laptop runs fine with kubuntu, its an old toshiba with 3 GB of RAM, and a AMD turion x2 processor
[05:44] <xenthral> it all runs fine here for me :)
[05:44] <HERPADERP> Or, not kubuntu specifically, just firefox
[05:45] <xenthral> it runs fine, but, chrome runs finer :)
[05:45] <HERPADERP> eh, debatable.
[05:45] <xenthral> but hey, firefox or chrome, pick what you're comfortable with
[05:45] <HERPADERP> I still like firebug in firefox
[05:45] <xenthral> speed is only one measure of how useful the browser is to you
[05:45] <xenthral> yep
[05:45] <HERPADERP> True
[05:45] <xenthral> I use it from time to time still
[05:46] <xenthral> the dev tools on chrome are pretty good too
[05:46] <HERPADERP> Like for what? HTML editing?
[05:47] <xenthral> yeah inspecting the CSS and markup
[05:47] <xenthral> firebug I'm more used to when i'm doing any javascript poking around
[05:48] <HERPADERP> Ill give chrome the speed, but firefox IMO has more addons and is more customizable, which might explain why its slow
[05:48] <HERPADERP> But chrome looks nice and simple, i'll give it that
[05:50] <xenthral> yeah I dont use addons much
[05:50] <xenthral> why I just transitioned to chrome quite easily
[05:51] <HERPADERP> Ever used Opera? Im not to crazy about it.
[05:52] <HERPADERP> *too
[05:52] <xenthral> years ago
[05:52] <xenthral> before firefox 2.0 was out
[05:52] <xenthral> loved the thing but firefox lured me away
[05:53] <xenthral> I only ever see it on a friend's computer now, its oddly nostalgic
[05:53] <HERPADERP> haha I've heard its pretty fast
[06:16] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[06:17] <phoenix__> i want to change my desktop to look like the desktop of a kubuntu netbook desktop, how to do it
[06:17] <phoenix__> i like the search and launch functionality
[06:56] <picharras> hola gente
[06:59] <jussi> good morning all. I need a simple way of fusing together a string of photos, with a fade to black, fade in from black changeover from each one. any suggestions on a program that could help?
[07:33] <Guest63257> What's this
[07:34] <rork> !irc
[07:35] <rork> It's an Internet Relay Chat where you can get "direct" help to solve your problems or chat with other kubuntu users. Not every question van be answered within a minute.
[07:37] <Guest63257> So nice. I just installed KDE on Ubuntu, then find it.
[09:02] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[09:02] <illunatic> !clone
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> !info mondo
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> !info mindi
[09:04] <illunatic> ^_^ thanks
[09:05] <well_laid_lawn> they work together to replicate your present install - even let you repartition etc
[11:45] <glaucous> Is there a way to configure panels and widgets with commands instead of GUI? Each boot when  changing resolution my panel (1) is too short, and I need to maximize it each time. Can I do this with terminal?
[11:45] <jussi> restart FloodBotK2
[12:57] <polis> weeweee
[12:57] <polis> ciao
[12:58] <polis> hi
[12:58] <polis> on boot kubuntu
[12:58] <polis> say to me
[12:59] <phoenix__> hello everyone
[12:59] <polis> an error while monuting /media/cdrom0
[12:59] <polis> why
[13:00] <phoenix__> polis: is the cd present in the cd drive
[13:01] <polis> yes
[13:01] <polis> op no on bbot
[13:01] <polis> ops no of boot
[13:02] <polis> MAY BE THE WRONG fstab
[13:02] <polis> or point mount
[13:02] <phoenix__> polis: did you edit the fstab
[13:02] <polis> no
[13:03] <polis> !pastebin
[13:05] <polis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/480392/
[13:05] <polis> phoenix__:
[13:06] <phoenix__> polis: one sec
[13:06] <polis> ok
[13:07] <phoenix__> polis: do you have two cd roms
[13:07] <polis> yes
[13:07] <polis> sr1 sr0
[13:07] <phoenix__> polis: which one is not getting mounted
[13:08] <polis> do no know
[13:08] <polis> either
[13:08] <polis> says me error booth
[13:08] <polis> an error while monuting /media/cdrom0
[13:08] <phoenix__> polis: you enabled the setting to mount the cdroms on startup?
[13:09] <polis> yesi
[13:09] <polis> in syetem setting
[13:09] <phoenix__> polis: ok, wait
[13:09] <phoenix__> polis: did it ask for the password
[13:09] <polis> no
[13:10] <polis> yes passwor
[13:10] <polis> of the system
[13:10] <polis> on aplsh screen
[13:10] <phoenix__> polis: did you enter
[13:10] <polis> splash*
[13:10] <polis> yes on splash screen
[13:10] <phoenix__> polis: the one after logging in
[13:10] <polis> esxcuse
[13:10] <polis> me
[13:10] <polis> do no put
[13:11] <polis> access automatic
[13:11] <polis> is set automatically
[13:11] <polis> escuse me
[13:12] <polis> even in the repo, I failed to mount cd rom error
[13:12] <phoenix__> polis:can you paste the snapshot of your removable devices setting dialog
[13:12] <polis> on shell
[13:13] <polis> where
[13:13] <polis> ?
[13:14] <phoenix__> polis: i will tell you something, can you do it
[13:14] <polis> on software sources?
[13:14] <phoenix__> polis: goto settings->user management
[13:14] <polis> ok
[13:15] <phoenix__> polis: in the user accounts tab select your user name.
[13:15] <phoenix__> polis: then click modify button
[13:15] <polis> ok
[13:16] <phoenix__> polis: goto previliges and groups tab
[13:16] <polis> ok
[13:16] <phoenix__> on the groups panel see whether the cdrom is clicked
[13:17] <phoenix__> polis: on the groups panel see whether the cdrom is checked
[13:17] <polis> is there
[13:18] <phoenix__> polis: is it selected
[13:18] <polis> is marked
[13:18] <polis> yes
[13:19] <phoenix__> polis: on the previleges tab is "use CD-ROM and DVD devices " marked
[13:19] <polis> in marked
[13:20] <phoenix__> polis:  on the previleges tab is  "access external devices automatically" marked
[13:20] <polis> is marked
[13:20] <phoenix__> polis: also the administer the system
[13:21] <polis> yes
[13:23] <polis> all done
[13:24] <phoenix__> polis: wait
[13:25] <polis> is that sr0 sr1 is the mount point / media/cdrom0 or / media /cdrom
[13:26] <phoenix__> polis: run this command "sudo fdisk -l" and paste the output here
[13:26] <polis> ok
[13:26] <phoenix__> polis: wait
[13:26] <polis> ok
[13:27] <gnomefreak> please dont paste it here
[13:27] <polis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/480401/
[13:27] <gnomefreak> use pastebin
[13:27] <polis> ok gnomefreak
[13:27] <gnomefreak> thanks
[13:28] <polis> ok
[13:28] <polis> not at all
[13:29] <phoenix__> polis: backup your fstab file
[13:29] <polis> ok
[13:30] <polis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/480403/
[13:31] <phoenix__> polis: sudo kate /etc/fstab
[13:31] <polis> ok
[13:32] <phoenix__> polis: remove the first two lines
[13:32] <phoenix__> polis: save it
[13:32] <polis> ok
[13:32] <polis> do it
[13:34] <polis> did it
[13:36] <polis> ok now?
[13:38] <phoenix__> polis: restart and see if this works
[13:38] <polis> ok phoenix
[13:38] <AngelFire> is there a way to search in ppa for specific package ?
[13:38] <AngelFire> it seems the search page searches only the names of ppa repos
[13:39] <AngelFire> and descriptions, but not the packages inside
[13:41] <polis> hi
[13:41] <polis> phoeni x ok
[13:42] <polis> phonix
[13:42] <polis> in add repo cd rom
[13:42] <polis> says me E:Failed to mount the cdrom.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:44] <polis> in software sources
[13:44] <polis> i want o add cd how repo
[13:44] <polis> says me E:Failed to mount the cdrom.
[13:45] <phoenix__> polis: do you have a password
[13:45] <polis> no
[13:45] <polis> in synaptic
[13:45] <polis> yes
[13:45] <polis> kapachege kit no
[13:45] <phoenix__> polis:  a system wide password
[13:46] <polis> do not understand
[13:46] <polis> how passowrd of access is go in auto
[13:46] <polis> but there is
[13:47] <polis> in synaptic he asks me passowrd
[13:47] <phoenix__> polis: when you installed kubuntu, did you set and password
[13:47] <polis> yes
[13:48] <polis> with auto access
[13:48] <arch0njw> howdy, all.  After updating to KDE 4.5 I am no longer able to toggle audio between the digital output (speakers) and analog (headphones).  Any tips on where I should start to fix this?
[13:49] <polis> In fact the boot is not asking password
[13:49] <polis> phoenix__:
[13:50] <phoenix__> polis: sorry polis, i am not able to help you
[13:51] <polis> ok
[13:51] <polis> tnks a lot
[13:58] <[mors]> hi folks
[13:58] <[mors]> how do I disable/hide tray icons ?
[13:59] <phoenix__> [mors]: hi
[13:59] <phoenix__> [mors]: you can remove them
[14:22] <zeltak> hi..anyone know of a krusader 2.2 deb for 64 bit? i cant seem to find it online anywhere..wierd
[14:23] <poseidon2010> zeltak, nope........ whats that ?
[14:24] <zeltak> its a file manager
[14:25] <zeltak> the best one for kde imho
[14:25] <zeltak> http://www.krusader.org/
[14:26] <KukuNut> zeltak: if it's that great then how come no one knows?
[14:26] <KukuNut> but you?
[14:26] <KukuNut> :)
[14:27] <zeltak> hmmm its pretty famous...u guys really never heard of krusader?
[14:27] <alvin> I use Krusader every day
[14:28] <poseidon2010> zeltak, there is a krusader.org  site
[14:29] <zeltak> alvin..you use it in kubuntu? did u compile it yourself or used a deb?
[14:29] <alvin> aptitude install krusader
[14:29] <zeltak> poseidon2010: see above link to site
[14:29] <poseidon2010> sorry
[14:29] <alvin> It's version 2.0
[14:29] <zeltak> alvin: but thats the 2.0 version which is pretty old by now (ver 2.2 is out)
[14:30] <zeltak> btw in an unrelated but very annoying issue..i just swithced back to kubuntu after a year using arch..really impressed with kubuntu but..
[14:30] <alvin> I try to keep to the default repositories as much as possible, except for the kubuntu backports ppa (and that one gives enough trouble as it is)
[14:31] <alvin> But I might be happy with Krusader 2.2. Let me see if there's already a request to package it.
[14:31] <zeltak> my wireless connection is really flaky..keeps loosing connection every 5 minutes
[14:31] <poseidon2010> Kubuntu is quite good with this KDE.... much better than Gnome in Ubuntu
[14:32] <zeltak> wired connection works well and i didnt have any issues with wirelss under arch..is that a known issue with 10.04?
[14:33] <alvin> Ah, but Krusader 2.2 is the beta branch. That'll be the reason it's not packaged yet.
[14:33] <zeltak> alvin: it been in "beta" for ages...lol..been using it for a few months now and its pretty damm stable :)
[14:34] <zeltak> but i see your point
[14:34] <zeltak> still its weird i cant find a deb file for it...i hate compiling..lol :
[14:34] <zeltak> :)
[14:34] <tranquilwaters_> alvin: what trouble does the backports repo give you? Just curious
[14:36] <tranquilwaters_> alvin: apparently krusader 2.2 is available in the debian sid and squeeze repo's
[14:36] <tranquilwaters_> you could probably get one from there?
[14:36] <alvin> tranquilwaters_: The upgrade itself was flaky (bug 615902), klipper is unusable (bug 616370) and krdc suffers from a bug in QT (bug 614699) Other than that, krunner crashes sometimes out of the blue.
[14:36] <tranquilwaters_> not sure about dependencies etc though
[14:37] <alvin> (Akregator and  the NFS kioslave are still broken, but that was already the case in all previous versions of KDE4)
[14:37] <tranquilwaters_> alvin: ok I agree upgrade to 4.5 wasn't perfect. And I still think the klipper icon is wrong
[14:37] <tranquilwaters_> filed that as minor bug as wel
[14:38] <tranquilwaters_> klipper has a scissors-icon now, and some other tool 'snippets' has a clipboard icon
[14:38] <alvin> The icon doesn't bother me :-) Its the fact that left-clicking it to select something from the clipboard just doesn't work. Klipper lost its functionality.
[14:38] <tranquilwaters_> ok
[14:38] <zeltak> tranquilwaters_: ive never tried installing debs from debian..wont it frak my system?
[14:38] <tranquilwaters_> i actually don't use klipper that much
[14:38] <alvin> And krdc is something I use constantly, with several tabs open...
[14:39] <tranquilwaters_> zeltak: I have no idea XD I never tried either, I just googled for krusader 2.2 x64 deb
[14:39] <tranquilwaters_> zeltak: and since ubuntu is based on debian...
[14:39] <tranquilwaters_> zeltak: but I really don't know... maybe someone else knows more about installing debian packages in ubuntu?
[14:39] <alvin> zeltak: It'll probably work well in this case, but debian warns against it in a FAQ.
[14:40] <zeltak> yeah i remember once doing that a few years ago and that didnt end welll
[14:40] <tranquilwaters_> krdc... :S *googles*
[14:40] <tranquilwaters_> zeltak: http://linuxappfinder.com/package/krusader
[14:40] <tranquilwaters_> remote desktop, ok yeah I don't use that
[14:40] <tranquilwaters_> :)
[14:41] <Pici> We warn against it as well, there may or may not be issues in installing packages that were designed for Debian.  It all depends on (no pun intended) the package's dependencies, version, install location, etc.
[14:41] <tranquilwaters_> but i can imagine that might be annoying if you do
[14:41] <tranquilwaters_> Pici: ok that makes sense, I just looked for deb packages, and only those popped up
[14:41] <tranquilwaters_> zeltak: you can just install from source I guess?
[14:42] <tranquilwaters_> zeltak: that is, if you _must_ use 2.2
[14:42] <zeltak> yeah i guess ill do that (from source)
[14:42] <poseidon2010> hey  this krusader  looks like a remake of MC ...... interesting
[14:42] <zeltak> so anyone having issues with wireless in 10.04? i keep loosing my connection every 5 minutes...annoying as hell
[14:43] <zeltak> i need to manually press connect again in network manager to get reconnected..anyone have any idea?
[14:43] <zeltak> poseidon2010: yeah its like mc (which i also use) but with tons of extra funcionality
[14:43] <tranquilwaters_> I haven't had any problems with wireless in kubuntu lucid or ubuntu lucid, tried it on two different laptops
[14:43] <alvin> I actually have never experienced wireless problems in Kubuntu, but I don't use wireless that much. There are a lot of messages on the mailing list though. The consensus there is that you should replace network-manager by wicd. (never done that myself)
[14:44] <tranquilwaters_> I don't like wicd myself
[14:44] <zeltak> hmm yeah used wiced a few times
[14:44] <zeltak> i preffer netowork manager but i may have no choice here..
[14:44] <alvin> On the other hand, bug 524454 still exists
[14:44] <tranquilwaters_> I do have trouble that the network-manager service sometimes dies after a hibernation or empty battery, but that's fixed easily enough
[14:45] <tranquilwaters_> alvin: yeah that's exactly what I mean
[14:45] <alvin> it's mighty irritating, but not a kde bug.
[14:45] <tranquilwaters_> but you can get it going again easily enough
[14:46] <alvin> :-( not me. I have to use rescue mode for that. My /home is mounted on NFS...
[14:46] <tranquilwaters_> although for me in kde only the stop/start service (option 1) works, rebooting does not help, and rightclicking has no options
[14:47] <tranquilwaters_> hmmm
[14:47] <poseidon2010> has any one used.....FAI  with Ubuntu ????
[14:47] <zeltak> k thx guys
[14:47] <tranquilwaters_> FAI?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> alvin, NM worls much better on lucid than in previous release
[14:47] <BluesKaj> err works
[14:48] <poseidon2010> yes.....I used it in Debian.... allows u to install multiple machines at  once.....build clusters and things like that...... say... 80 machines from scratch in 2 mins ... :)
[14:48] <alvin> Might be, but NM didn't give me issues on previous releases and makes my system unbootable on Lucid, so I have another opinion about that.
[14:48] <BluesKaj> alvin, ok , which chip ?
[14:49] <alvin> chip?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> wifi chip, like broadcom or atheros or....?
[14:50] <alvin> Oh, no, it's a wired network. Intel NIC.
[14:50] <alvin> It's just the suspend. pc gets suspended -> NM is disabled at next boot -> /home doesn't get mounted -> time to get into rescue mode
[14:51] <BluesKaj> ok, most ppl nowadays just buse NM or /etc/network/interfaces settings
[14:51] <illunatic> !pastebin
[14:51] <alvin> Doesn't trouble me that much /etc/network/interfaces is a good solution here. Upstart is much more irritating during boot.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> buse=use
[14:55] <alvin> zeltak: I see krusader 2.2 (beta) will be in Maverick! (see bug 616392). Maybe you can try that package.
[14:56] <BluesKaj> the new kde and gnome desktops/plasma are a bit much for my old desktop-pc , lots of crashes ....xubuntu seems to be the solution altho W7 aeros works fine on the old ati x200m onboard
[14:59] <tranquilwaters_> otherwise there's also Lubuntu nowadays, and I'm not sure if the fluxbuntu project is still alive?
[14:59] <alvin> Oh, (KDE 4.5) krunner crashing while you type in it. That's annoying.
[15:14] <illunatic> !info libata
[15:18] <BluesKaj> atalibs maybe, illunatic
[15:19] <illunatic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/480444/
[15:19] <illunatic> :D
[15:20] <illunatic> !info altalibs
[15:23] <zeltak> alvin: how do you "downgrade" a package from mavrick?
[15:23] <alvin> You can download the deb, and see if the install works :-) (from packages.ubuntu.com)
[15:24] <zeltak> kk thx alvin
[15:25] <wilhart> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
[15:26] <wilhart> is this kde 4.5.0 ?
[15:29] <illunatic> i think i found the problem. apparently i just attempted to backup my external hdd heh
[15:30] <wilhart> what!
[15:37] <Roasted> why do I have no shut down options in kubuntu?
[15:40] <alvin> Roasted: Go to System Settings and search for 'session management'. There you can enable the option to offer shutdown options
[15:41] <Roasted> alvin, is this a common side effect of installing kubuntu-desktop through ubuntu 10.04?
[15:41] <alvin> wilhart: No, you need the backports repository ($ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports  (tip: read bug 615902 first)
[15:42] <alvin> Roasted: Not as far as I know. By default it should be enabled
[15:42] <harmandeep> Guys, what is the difference b/w RELOAD and RESTART options with SERVICE command ,     is RELOAD equivalent to   process SIGNAL 1 = SIGHUP ( which re-reads daemon config file , instead of restarting it completely ) ???
[15:42] <Roasted> alvin, okay. I'm in Gnome now but I'll write that down and swing over to KDE quick.
[15:43] <Roasted> oh also, alvin... do you know how I can get 4.5 on there?
[15:43] <Roasted> I tried the PPA but it didnt seem to upgrade it.
[15:43] <harmandeep> i think i m right ... answer in #UBUNTU
[15:45] <alvin> Roasted: See my answer to wilhart above
[15:46] <wilhart> is there a way to --purge who KDE 4.5 install ?
[15:46] <wilhart> whole
[15:48] <Roasted> alvin, do you call the upgrade command offhand to get it upgraded once that repo is added?
[15:49] <hagabaka> what package/ppa is needed to make gtk programs use the global menu in KDE?
[15:49] <alvin> Roasted: $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (aptitude will not want to start)
[15:49] <alvin> wilhart: What happened?
[15:50] <wilhart> alvin: menubordes are missing
[15:51] <alvin> menuborders?
[15:51] <alvin> wilhart: Are you sure the upgrade went well?
[15:52] <wilhart> alvin: yea it went, but i had some kwin-aurorae insted of kde-window-manager ?
[15:52] <wilhart> could that be it?
[15:52] <wilhart> ok trying now again
[15:53] <alvin> Never heard of it. You can search for bugs here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bugs
[16:02] <Roasted> With KDE and Gnome installed side by side, is there any way to prevent KDE-isms from floating over to the Gnome side? Example - Im in Gnome now and I have the KDE mouse cursor...
[16:03] <phoenix__> !kdebug
[16:04] <phoenix__> i like to know about kdebug
[16:04] <phoenix__> how to see the kdebug messags
[16:04] <phoenix__> *messages
[16:08] <slow-motion> hi
[16:08] <phoenix__> hi
[16:22] <Roasted_> Nice. I have shutdown options enabled in session management - yet they are not listed in my leave menu. Awesome.
[16:29] <lelamal> Roasted_: try this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/reset-system-wide-cursor-theme.html
[16:32] <wilhart> how do i totally remove kubuntu (kde4) and reinstall it again ?
[16:33] <gcala> wilhart: here I am
[16:33] <wilhart> sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[16:33] <wilhart> ?
[16:34] <gcala> wilhart: yes, but you should run it from a console login
[16:34] <wilhart> gcala: i do all apt things in konsole
[16:35] <wilhart> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome.php
[16:36] <gcala> wilhart: in this case isn't a good idea; you have to remove everything, kdm too
[16:36] <tranquilwaters> wilhart: he doesn't mean isn't konsole
[16:36] <gcala> wilhart: so netter is logout, from the kdm login screen press the option button and choose "console login"
[16:37] <wilhart> gcala: oh
[16:37] <tranquilwaters> logout and then do ctrl+alt+f1 to get a tty
[16:37] <gcala> tranquilwaters: it's ok, too
[16:38] <tranquilwaters> login there, then do sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop, though maybe remove --purge is necessary, and of course reinstall kubuntu-desktop again
[16:38] <gcala> just be sure that source.list contains the right repos
[16:38] <gcala> and --purge is obbligatory, imho
[16:39] <tranquilwaters> yes you might want to check your sourceslists as well
[16:40] <wilhart> gcala: ok am in ubuntu now
[16:40] <tranquilwaters> comment out all other repo's
[16:41] <tranquilwaters> keep the standard ones and maybe the kubuntu ppa?
[16:41] <wilhart> gcala: btw how do i check it uninstalled it ?
[16:41] <tranquilwaters> aptitude show kubuntu-desktop will tell the status of a package
[16:42] <wilhart> Package: kubuntu-desktop
[16:42] <wilhart> State: not installed
[16:42] <wilhart> Version: 1.174.1
[16:42] <wilhart> right?
[16:42] <FloodBotK2> wilhart: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:42] <wilhart> now apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[16:43] <wilhart> gcala: ?
[16:43] <gcala> wilhart: sorry, are you in ubuntu or in gnome? I mean, have you installed ubuntu and kubuntu in indipendent partition or you have installed gnome/kde togheter?
[16:43] <wilhart> gcala: i'm about to reinstall kde now
[16:44] <gcala> wilhart: ok, but are you using gnome and kde on the same installment?
[16:44] <wilhart> gcala: no just gnome
[16:44] <gcala> wilhart: ok
[16:45] <wilhart> gcala: soo, how do i see what version of kubuntu-desktop it wil install ?
[16:45] <gcala> wilhart: since kubuntu-desktop isn't installed you colud try purging 'kdelibs5'
[16:46] <wilhart> gcala: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome.php
[16:46] <wilhart> gcala: i did that
[16:47] <wilhart> gcala: Package kdelibs5 is not installed, so not removed
[16:47] <wilhart> gcala: and kde<tab> shows nothing
[16:48] <wilhart> gcala: should i remove ~/.kde now? or?
[16:48] <gcala> wilhart: if you are using ubuntu, you don't have kde packages. you need to do the work whitin kubuntu
[16:48] <wilhart> gcala: nope
[16:50] <gcala> wilhart: you have to start kubuntu but instead of login press ctrl+alt+f1 for a console login; then from that terminal you remove and reinstall kde
[16:50] <wilhart> gcala: already unistalled kde !
[16:51] <Roasted_> why do I have no shut down options??
[16:51] <wilhart> no need to be in konsole i'm in gnome
[16:52] <gcala> wilhart: ah, ok ;) which repo did you used?
[16:52] <wilhart> gcala: for what?
[16:52] <gcala> for kde
[16:52] <wilhart> gcala: kubuntu-ppa-staging-lucid.list
[16:52] <wilhart> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu lucid main
[16:53] <wilhart> gcala: so i do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[16:54] <[ade]> are there guidelines wrt the use of a string like "send file(s)" versus "send file" in ubuntu? I'm trying to argue someone that "send file(s)" is not only very '80s but also actively discouraged by usuability guidelines in common distro's.
[16:54] <gcala> wilhart: that repo isn't recommended; it is written: DON'T USE
[16:55] <wilhart> gcala: can i have other then ?
[16:55] <wilhart> gcala: proper one
[16:56] <gcala> wilhart: if you want kde 4.5: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu lucid main
[16:57] <gcala> wilhart: or: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[16:57] <wilhart> gcala: i just added it to sources.list
[16:57] <wilhart> is that ok ?
[16:58] <gcala> wilhart: yes
[16:58] <wilhart> ok now install kubuntu-desktop ?
[16:58] <wilhart> gcala: i removed .kde again
[16:58] <BluesKaj> [ade], uhhm your argument is pretty difficult for most of us to understand, 80s or not :)
[16:58] <gcala> wilhart: are you working with two PCs right now?
[16:59] <wilhart> gcala: nope
[16:59] <wilhart> 0 upgraded, 315 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:59] <wilhart> seems right?
[17:00] <gcala> wilhart: I asked before if you are using gnome and kde together, you answered no, right'
[17:01] <wilhart> gcala: libqt4-script 4:4.7.0~beta2
[17:01] <wilhart> hmm
[17:01] <wilhart> kdelibs-bin 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1~lucid1
[17:01] <wilhart> this is beta?
[17:01] <wilhart> the source u gave me?
[17:01] <gcala> wilhart: no
[17:02] <gcala> wilhart: 4.4.8x or 4.4.9x are beta
[17:03] <wilhart> gcala: ok, i installed ubuntu, yesterday and then installed kubuntu-desktop, then i upgraded it when deleteing .kde, now i remove kubuntu-desktop and am in ubuntu-desktop
[17:03] <wilhart> gcala: running that apt-get install kubuntu-desktop now
[17:03] <wilhart> so. this is right
[17:04] <wilhart> i'm going to shops now. laters.
[17:04] <gcala> wilhart: for the moment but it is a bad idea have gnome and kde together
[17:04] <wilhart> gcala: why? how do i remove ubuntu-desktop then ?
[17:04] <[ade]> BluesKaj: ok, the question is -- 80s or not -- is "send file(s)" an acceptable string to show end users? my gut feeling says no, so i'm looking for guidelines that confirm that.
[17:06] <gcala> wilhart: I asked that before and you answered that kde and gnome were on different installment...
[17:06] <BluesKaj> [ade], sorry dunno, never used that command
[17:06] <wilhart> gcala: hmm
[17:07] <gcala> wilhart: for dirfferent installment I mean: one partition with ubuntu and one with kubuntu
[17:09] <wilhart> gcala: http://superuser.com/questions/28781/how-to-remove-the-ubuntu-gnome-desktop-after-making-the-switch-to-kde
[17:10] <poseidon2010> I had Gnome..... Then I just wiped out everuthing and installed KUBUNTU..... and then recovered the back up data....
[17:11] <gcala> wilhart: ok, so you have installed yesterday ubuntu and today remove gnome to install kde... why not installed directly kubuntu?
[17:12] <gcala> wilhart: btw, after installing kde login and remove gnome as written in that page
[17:14] <polis> hi
[17:14] <polis> one error say me
[17:14] <polis>  sudo mount /dev/sr0
[17:14] <polis> mount: impossibile trovare /dev/sr0 in /etc/fstab o /etc/mtab
[17:15] <gcala> wilhart: one more thing: Ubuntu is not Gnome and Gnome is not Ubuntu
[17:16] <wilhart> gcala: ok in konsole ctrl-+ does not give +fontsize
[17:17] <gcala> wilhart: ??
[17:18] <polis> help you  to me
[17:18] <gcala> wilhart: did you mean ctrl-shift-+ ?
[17:18] <wilhart> gcala: ah that's it
[17:19] <wilhart> gcala: if i installed ubuntu-desktop, then install kubuntu-desktop is that bad?
[17:19] <wilhart> gcala: i dont understand what your trying to tell me
[17:20] <gcala> wilhart: most of the times it gives problems to kde, so I always advice my friends who want try kde to install it in a new partition
[17:21] <wilhart> gcala: should i make new install with kubuntu-dektop.iso?
[17:21] <wilhart> gcala: i'm downloading it now
[17:21] <wilhart> probably gonna switch to kubunut.iso now
[17:22] <gcala> wilhart: you can try with this situation and if you got problems you install it.
[17:28] <Stava> so i accidentally changed permissions on /var/lib/php5, how do i restore them to default?
[17:29] <poseidon2010> Stava........ Linux does not allow accidents...... sorry.... JK ..... maybe u can re-install the package
[17:30] <Stava> well i have another machine with proper permissions, but i cant reproduce them :p
[17:30] <Stava> drwx-wx-wt  2 root root
[17:30] <Stava> t, what? :o
[17:31] <vivek> hi friends. i need help with my kubuntu system
[17:32] <tranquilwaters> vivek: what's the problem?
[17:32] <vivek> i was updating my system using synaptic
[17:33] <vivek> it downloaded all the packages and while the packages were being installed, power went off
[17:33] <vivek> and now if i open synaptic, it just wont load
[17:33] <tranquilwaters> hmm I guess you would have to work from terminal
[17:33] <vivek> please help\
[17:33] <tranquilwaters> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:33] <BluesKaj> vivek, the pkges or synaptic ?
[17:34] <tranquilwaters> then sudo apt-get update
[17:34] <tranquilwaters> sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:34] <vivek> synaptic
[17:34] <vivek> i tried sudo apt-get install -f
[17:34] <vivek> it didnt show up anything
[17:34] <vivek> was stuck just like that
[17:35] <BluesKaj> vivek, then the cmnds tranquilwaters gave should work
[17:35] <BluesKaj> vivek, or sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:36] <vivek> BluesKaj, i tried the commands tranquilwaters gave. its still stuck
[17:37] <vivek> doesnt even show up a line
[17:37] <Roasted_> dumb question - if I install kubuntu desktop on ubuntu, does that mean I'm running kubuntu with pulse audio?
[17:38] <BluesKaj> vivek, copy and paste this into the terminal , sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:39] <vivek> thanks BluesKaj.. Its working... :)
[17:39] <BluesKaj> vivek, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:40] <BluesKaj> Roasted_, usually kubuntu will install pulseaudio , but that can depend on the kernel source drivers for your soundcard
[17:40] <vivek> thanks BluesKaj.. God Bless You
[17:41] <BluesKaj> vivek, well thanks for the blessing :)
[17:41] <Roasted_> BluesKaj, I see. Is there any way to determine if I am running pulse audio or not currently? I find that pulse audio actually has *less* issues than my native kubuntu installs that do not have pulse audio.
[17:41] <Roasted_> Is pulse coming to kubuntu for 10.10?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> less..meaning fewer ?
[17:43] <BluesKaj> Roasted_, look in settings/ system settings/multimedia run the test in there if pulseaudio is listed
[17:45] <Roasted_> BluesKaj, under system settings - phonon - audio output - music - pulseaudio sound server is the only thing listed. So I assume I am?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> yep
[17:45] <Mad_Dud> Hi guys, i have question about mouse middle (third click). i have logitech mx air, and it has button called "back" which used to work lime middle click in previous kubuntu versions (9.04 afar) but now it does not work and i have to do left+right to get middle mouse action
[17:45] <Roasted_> BluesKaj, is that because I installed ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop on top of it?
[17:45] <Mad_Dud> can someone give me clue, how to check, why middle mouse button does not work? where can i set it up to work?
[17:46] <Roasted_> BluesKaj, what I'm getting at is Ill only run kubuntu w/ pulse due to the significantly lesser amount of issues Ive had with it, so I just want to make sure I know how to easily get pulse installed on a native instance of kubuntu from ground up
[17:46] <Mad_Dud> it works (no problems) as middle mouse button in windows on the same computer.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> Roasted_, no need to worry about it being native or not , if tou need PA , just install it.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> tou=you
[17:49] <BluesKaj> Roasted_, I believe PA and phonon are default in kde 4.5
[17:49] <BluesKaj> stuff to do ...later
[17:49] <Roasted_> is it normal for kwin to shut off desktop effects if your battery gets low?
[17:51] <wilhart> i'm gonna unetbooting and iso image too how do i see my usb stick in what drive it is in? /dev/sdd1 is defaul?
[17:56] <wilhart> how do i format usb stick to fat32?
[17:56] <wilhart> do i have to format usb stick before i unetbooting image on it?
[18:04] <progre55> hi guys, what's npviewer.bin?
[18:04] <pxc> npviewer.bin is Firefox's wrapper for Flash
[18:04] <progre55> is that some kind of a flash player or smth?
[18:04] <progre55> oh I see
[18:04] <pxc> sometimes it stays running after the Flash page is closed
[18:05] <progre55> well, I'm trying to play a cartoon online, and this npviever thing is eating up my cpu.. all 100%
[18:05] <superbrad> i have to kill it frequently - it runs away, i think it's got a memory leak.
[18:05] <pxc> yeah. I kill it frequently as well. Flash on Linux has a tendency to eat up a lot of the CPU
[18:06] <pxc> if you keep the flash object smaller it'll lag less. it's really bad for me fullscreen at 1920x1200
[18:06] <superbrad> usually it starts behaving again if i close firefox, wait a few seconds, kill npviewer.bin, and restart firefox.
[18:06] <pxc> for watching videos, you can get better performance out of, for example, minitube
[18:07] <Roasted_> is there a reason kde cannot unmount ANY usb device I plug in? It keeps saying its in use, even if I plug it in and try to unmount it right away
[18:08] <superbrad> i have that problem with certain devices ... haven't got to the bottom of it.  in particular, my droid phone never unmounts.  i just have to yank it.
[18:08] <superbrad> usually, my USB drives are OK though.
[18:08] <pxc> can you unmount them from a terminal?
[18:09] <Roasted_> if youre asking me - I never tried
[18:09] <Roasted_> I just dont see why it fails
[18:09] <pxc> well if you wanna find out, you gotta do some detective work
[18:09] <pxc> lol
[18:10] <pxc> take a look at the lsof command: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsof
[18:10] <pxc> and the fuser command: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuser_%28Unix%29
[18:10] <superbrad> i've done it before, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't for me.  it's usually too much hassle, as long as I know it's not being used by any programs, chance of corruption is negligible (not that i'm recommending htat for anyone else)
[18:10] <pxc> they'll tell you what's accessing the drive, each in a slightly different way
[18:10] <Roasted_> yes it unmounts via terminal
[18:10] <Roasted_> does not mount via gui
[18:10] <Roasted_> not sure KDE is really pending too well during my user tests here :(
[18:10] <Roasted_> might have to wait for 4.6 before I try again
[18:11] <Roasted_> hmm. now all of the sudden it works iwth unmounting via gui...
[18:11] <Roasted_> going to try another usb device...
[18:12] <Roasted_> nope. errors out.
[18:12] <Roasted_> aight, time to go back to gnome. thanks guys.
[18:13] <pxc> :-\
[18:13] <pxc> I wouldn't be surprised if this were a kubuntu thing as much as a KDE thing. ah, well
[18:20] <wilhart> how do i in dolphine see .* files?
[18:24] <pxc> wilhart: view --> show hidden files, or press alt+.
[18:30] <polis> salve
[18:30] <polis> ma come mai tento di copiare un file nella mia chiavetta e non me  lo fa copiare
[18:30] <polis> accesso negato
[18:30] <maco> polis: italiano?
[18:30] <polis> ok
[18:30] <polis> ops
[18:31] <polis> how to copy file in to key
[18:31] <polis> acces denied
[18:31] <polis> say to me
[18:32] <polis> my pc but sees the key
[18:34] <polis> shy
[18:34] <polis> why
[18:48] <wilhart> sorry but can i have sources to kde 4.5.0
[18:48] <wilhart> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7
[18:48] <tuxifier> kde-4.5 and krdc - the window with the remote desktop is somehow detached from krdc and has now window manager titlebar - therefor it cannot be moved on the desktop
[18:49] <tuxifier> has "no" window manager title bar of course
[18:49] <tuxifier> not now
[18:53] <maco> wilhart: do you just want to add the key to your keyring?
[18:53] <wilhart> maco: no
[18:54] <wilhart> maco: but upgrade works now
[18:54] <wilhart> maco: i ignored that error
[18:56] <wilhart> äöåöäö
[18:58] <wilhart> should i apt-get keyring or seomthing?
[19:06] <pog1> Hi is it normal (Kubuntu 10.04 kde 4.5) that the graphics in kpackagekit (settings) is similar to Windows 95?
[19:07] <maco> root's configured to use the redmond theme
[19:07] <maco> could do "kdesu systemsettings" and reconfigure root's theme, i guess
[19:09] <pog1> Thanks maco I try, the redmond theme (only in settings of kpackagekit) is very ugly!
[19:13] <wilhart> ok insstalledkubuntu 4.5.0
[19:14] <wilhart> why is there in appearance no windows border themes eengine ?
[19:14] <wilhart> oh it's new it's in windows decorations ?
[19:14] <maco> yes
[19:14] <maco> things moved a bit
[19:15] <maco> keyboard layout settings are now in *surprise* "input devices" (new name for mouse&keyboard) instead of in "locale" (where i never managed to find it)
[19:17] <pog1> also in system setting when i upgrade at kde 4.5 KDM have a windows redmond style...
[19:17] <pog1> why i don't select...
[19:20] <grifo74> hello i try go to c: in wine and dont work help
[19:22] <well_laid_lawn> there's #winehq for that stuff grifo74 :]
[19:31] <wilhart> is there no getting started with kubuntu 10.04
[19:37] <cjae> anyone using the backport of kde 4.5 on lucid successfully
[19:45] <nate_> hi everybody... im trying to get pyrit running... but i cannot install it
[19:45] <nate_> im crushing with some sentences on konsole
[19:45] <Peace-> pytir?
[19:46] <Peace-> wth is it?
[19:46] <nate_> but i dont know what it does mean... or it wanna do o some else
[19:46] <nate_> pyrit
[19:46] <nate_> is some kind o programm to use da gpu
[19:57] <wilhart> i need pulseaudio where a good url for installing it
[20:00] <well_laid_lawn> !info pulseaudio | wilhart
[20:02] <wilhart> ubottu: so just apt-get install pulseaudio ?
[20:03] <well_laid_lawn> wilhart: yep
[20:03] <well_laid_lawn> maybe with a sudo in there somewhere :]
[20:04] <wilhart> gtk = gnome ?
[20:05] <well_laid_lawn> more or less
[20:05] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[20:05] <wilhart> http://pastebin.ca/1920248
[20:06] <wilhart> ok how do i install gnome SO that it doesant install the desktop just those other files
[20:07] <wilhart> well_laid_lawn: or sehould i just ust pusleaudio-equalizer from konsole?
[20:07] <well_laid_lawn> Failed to open file '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/gnome-volume-control.svg' - suggests you need the hicolor icons
[20:08] <well_laid_lawn> I've never used pulseaudio and know nothing about it sorry
[20:08] <wilhart> to run gnome apps what do i need to apt-get ?
[20:08] <well_laid_lawn> nothing positive anyway...
[20:09] <well_laid_lawn> ubuntu-desktop or gnome I would think
[20:09] <wilhart> well_laid_lawn: does it matter anything on kubuntu-desktop
[20:09] <wilhart> ?
[20:10] <well_laid_lawn> the package manger should bring in the deps an apps need so a gtk app should run on kubuntu
[20:10] <well_laid_lawn> did you install something without the package manager?
[20:13] <wilhart> i need equalizer for kubuntu
[20:15] <Badegakk> Hi
[20:16] <Badegakk> When i reinstalled my kubuntu 10.04 for some reason my shortcuts on my razor lycosa keyboard dont wanna work anymore
[20:18] <Badegakk> Any ides why?
[20:19] <Badegakk> is it a bit random how kubuntu setup it's driver, or is it a user fault, hehe
[20:19] <well_laid_lawn> you might need to select a diff keyboard?
[20:22] <Badegakk> well_laid_lawn, maybe sound like dumb Q, but how do i select new keyboard. I cant find nothing within kde.
[20:23] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know - you could try in konsole   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   and see if X gets the keyboard right this time
[20:24] <WhitePelican> how do I change the behavior in programs like Dolphin and Gwenview, where you can single click to enter a folder?
[20:25] <Badegakk> System settings
[20:25] <WhitePelican> which part of system settings?
[20:26] <Badegakk> Have you been in the stsrem settings application
[20:26] <Badegakk> system , typo, hehe
[20:27] <WhitePelican> I have system settings running right ow, which element please
[20:27] <Badegakk> Then choose keyboard & mouse
[20:27] <Badegakk> and then choose the mouse section
[20:27] <WhitePelican> I don't see keyboard and mouse
[20:28] <WhitePelican> isn't that unusual?
[20:28] <WhitePelican> hmmm
[20:28] <Badegakk> There is section called Computer Administration
[20:28] <WhitePelican> I found it, it's under input devices
[20:28] <Badegakk> nice
[20:29] <WhitePelican> yet I have it set to single click to open files and folders but ti doesn't do it
[20:29] <WhitePelican> it*
[20:29] <Badegakk> What version of kubuntu do yous?
[20:29] <Badegakk> do you use
[20:30] <WhitePelican> I'm not sure, but I'm running kde 4.5
[20:33] <Badegakk> sry i cant help, i am running an older version of kde
[20:35] <Badegakk> i am running kde 4.4.2 and i haveing no problems to setting it to singel click
[20:38] <wilhart> is it safe to run apt-get install gnome-desktop NOW?
[20:43] <duckx0r> how do you configure keyboard layouts in kde 4.5?
[20:44] <wilhart> i wand a global equalizer for KDE !
[20:44] <wilhart> using pulse
[20:44] <maco> duckx0r: system settings -> input devices
[20:45] <duckx0r> maco, thanks a lot... it's another regression to have it only there IMO
[20:45] <maco> duckx0r: why?
[20:45] <maco> its in keyboard settings now... where it belongs
[20:46] <duckx0r> maco, before i could right click on the flag icon in the system tray and set my options. now i can't
[20:46] <maco> it used to be in locale, which always seemed silly to me. "i want to change my keyboard layout...*navigate to keyboard settings* WAHH not there??"
[20:46] <maco> er yes you still can...
[20:46] <maco> i added russian keyboard to my layouts through the keyboard settings thing...
[20:47] <maco> the flag doesnt show in tray until you have > 1 layout configured though
[20:47] <duckx0r> maco, left clicking on it switches to the next layout and right clicking on it pops up a list of layouts for me to select. there is no way to right click and add an additional layout or configure the keyboard shortcut for switching
[20:47] <maco> because why would you want to switch between 1 layout and itself?
[20:48] <maco> hmm you mean it used to open up the locale kcm module?
[20:48] <duckx0r> maco, i don't know what that is
[20:48] <maco> hmm i think its redundant... kcm = kcontrol module
[20:49] <maco> the configuration window that you reach through systemsettings
[20:49] <duckx0r> maco, it should also be available in a right click of the icon in the system tray IMO
[20:49] <maco> no, it should be available for ANY click on the tray icon, is what you mean
[20:50] <maco> because left and right do not do different things in the new system tray icons
[20:50] <duckx0r> maco, they do for me
[20:50] <maco> (this way, people dont need to know which stuff is right click and which is left click)
[20:51] <maco> on the flag?
[20:51] <maco> i get the same 2 options (US, Russian) whether i left or right click
[20:51] <maco> anything that still has different options for left and right click just hasnt been updated to the new way yet
[20:51] <duckx0r> maco, weird, that's not the same behavior for me
[20:51] <maco> maybe because im on maverick?
[20:52] <duckx0r> maco, in fact of the 8 icons i have in the system tray, only 2 have the behaviour you mention
[20:52] <duckx0r> maco, that could be. i'm on lucid
[20:53] <wilhart> can i install ubuntun-desktop ON kubuntu-desktop ?
[20:53] <duckx0r> wilhart, yes
[20:53] <wilhart> duckx0r: so no conflicts?
[20:53] <duckx0r> wilhart, nope
[20:54] <wilhart> duckx0r: why did someone in #kde say that it's not good to run both in same partition ?
[20:54] <duckx0r> wilhart, if there were, the package manager wouldn't allow you to do it
[20:54] <duckx0r> wilhart, no idea. i've installed both kde and gnome and even xfce and fluxbox all side-by-side with no conflicts
[20:54] <wilhart> duckx0r: so gnome and kde are equalent ?
[20:54] <duckx0r> wilhart, what is equalent?
[20:55] <wilhart> duckx0r: hmm ok
[20:55] <wilhart> dunno i came up with that word
[20:55] <duckx0r> haha
[20:55] <wilhart> ok i'll apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[20:55] <wilhart> and it's 2.30 right?
[20:56] <duckx0r> maco, so... i see they took away the option to set the shortcut to what I want it to be... how can I set it to ctrl-alt-k ?
[20:56] <duckx0r> wilhart, 2.28
[20:56] <wilhart> no it's 2.30
[20:57] <duckx0r> wilhart, depends on what version of *buntu you have installed
[20:57] <wilhart> duckx0r: lucid
[20:57] <duckx0r> wilhart, me too and synaptic says gnome is 2.28
[20:57] <wilhart> mmmm
[20:57] <wilhart> i have some backport i gues
[20:57] <duckx0r> could be
[20:58] <wilhart> duckx0r: ok well now i install ubuntu then loginscreen says ubuntu not kubuntu
[20:58] <wilhart> right?
[20:58] <duckx0r> wilhart, you can select
[20:58] <wilhart> dpkg-reconfiure gdm ?
[20:58] <duckx0r> wilhart, if you choose kdm then it will use the kde login screen. gdm uses gnome's
[20:58] <wilhart> OK nice
[20:59] <duckx0r> wilhart, when you install, you will probably be prompted with the option to choose
[20:59] <wilhart> duckx0r: jsut prompted.
[20:59] <wilhart> selected kdm
[21:02] <maco> duckx0r: huh? ctrl+alt+k is set as the alternative shortcut by default..?
[21:02] <maco> lucid is on 2.30 for gnome
[21:03] <duckx0r> maco, oh... i didn't realize that you could arbitrarily set your own combination in the "alternate shortcut" field
[21:04] <maco> libgnome2-0 :  libgnome2-0 | 2.30.0-0ubuntu1 |         lucid | amd64, i386
[21:04] <bbeck> What package do I need to install to get debugging symbols for okteta?
[21:04] <maco> wilhart: ^
[21:04] <wilhart> yes?
[21:04] <bbeck> It crashes on exit, and I'm not generating a very good backtrace.
[21:04] <maco> wilhart: no backport. 2.30 is lucid
[21:04] <wilhart> maco: ok
[21:05] <ml__> hello ladys
[21:05] <ml__> my name is harry potter
[21:05] <maco> ml__: don't leave out the gentlemen
[21:06] <ml__> wath is your name?
[21:07] <wilhart> 3~Warning: having KDE and Gnome together means you'll have cluttered application menus full of KDE applications and  Gnome  applications. You may also run into some other cosmetic problems (the KDE QT look taking over some of your Gnome themes, a  hidden file on your desktop that keeps appearing in Gnome after you've just logged out of KDE).
[21:07] <ml__> hello everybody
[21:07] <bbeck> Nevermind I found it.
[21:08] <ml__> what
[21:08] <ml__> ?
[21:08] <ml__> I'm Uruguay I talk spanish
[21:09] <ml__> yet
[21:09] <ml__> shet
[21:09] <ml__> shet
[21:10] <ml__> digthface
[21:12] <wilhart> o heck
[21:15] <maco> !es | ml__
[21:18] <Surlent777> hello; I have a simple question regarding the recent release of KDE 4.5 as pertains to upgrades; namely, I have the kubuntu ppa installed and backports enabled, as per usual, and had just done a fresh install a couple of days before release, I think. Aptitude's safe-upgrade holds a ton of packages back, while Synaptic wants to uninstall a ton, install some, and upgrade others. It seems that waiting causes aptitude to push a few packa
[21:19] <Surlent777> (this seems to happen with every new KDE release but is usually resolved by now by waiting and using aptitude)
[21:22] <maco> Surlent777: use apt-get, not aptitude
[21:22] <maco> aptitude's resolver does stupid things
[21:23] <Surlent777> maco: I've actually heard quite the opposite in #ubuntu
[21:23] <maco> theoretically theyre supposed to do the same thing
[21:23] <Surlent777> maco: from what I understand apt-get is the same as Synaptic in terms of dependency handling
[21:23] <Surlent777> maco: but aptitude is supposed to be a bit more "intelligent" in some wa
[21:23] <Surlent777> y
[21:23] <maco> and it USED TO BE the case that aptitude would isntall recommends and handle /removal/ better than apt-get
[21:23] <maco> but apt-get now installs recommends by default and also tracks dependencies for removal
[21:24] <maco> however, every time i use a kubuntu-ppa and try to install from backports, aptitude wants to remove lots of packages and hold back lots of packages
[21:25] <maco> people in #kubuntu-devel tell me this is because aptitude's dependency resolver is braindead
[21:25] <Surlent777> usually aptitude wants to hold things back, and then eventually it lets stuff through; I assumed it was due to bug-fixing on the dev's part
[21:25] <maco> aptitude will not be included in default installs of ubuntu going forward
[21:25] <Surlent777> that's news to me
[21:25] <maco> it has already been removed from 10.10's seeds
[21:25] <Surlent777> =/
[21:26] <maco> i think it's that aptitude is considering some things to be more necessary than they are, so if they're not packaged, it freaks out
[21:26] <Surlent777> I just don't quite understand what all it's trying to hold back or why, or why Synaptic is doing differently
[21:27] <maco> possibly it's considering recommends as if they were depends... which would violate the meanings in the debian policy manual
[21:27] <Surlent777> hmm
[21:28] <maco> this is the first time ive tried to think about what its braindead resolver is doing wrong... and that is a problem that would result in this symptom
[21:28] <Surlent777> I wish it could be fixed, as I rather like it
[21:28] <maco> can you code?
[21:28] <Surlent777> not yet
[21:28] <Surlent777> just entered college for it Monday
[21:29] <maco> computer science?
[21:29] <Surlent777> not sure? the major is apparently listed as simply "Programming"
[21:29] <Surlent777> so far the only thing it's doing is making me take math/english, computers for idiots, windows 7 introduction, and XHTML
[21:30] <Surlent777> I know that later on it should start covering this like C++, according to the course book
[21:30] <Surlent777> things*
[21:30] <maco> wO_o
[21:30] <maco> xhtml? whats that got to do with programming?
[21:30] <Surlent777> beats me
[21:30] <maco> http://www.cs.seas.gwu.edu/academics/undergraduate_programs/bs/curriculum <-- that's my school's curriculum
[21:30] <Surlent777> what I'd like to know right now is why us.archive.ubuntu.com is not letting me connect/timing out
[21:31] <maco> *shrug* try a different mirror
[21:32] <Surlent777> I should
[21:32] <Surlent777> now other things are spazzing out
[21:32] <Surlent777> asklfj
[21:32] <Surlent777> shoddy wireless
[21:33] <Surlent777> or maybe shoddy launchpad?
[21:33] <Surlent777> now even wine is not working
[21:33] <Surlent777> or pidgin-developers
[21:33] <Surlent777> or random user-made things
[21:34] <Surlent777> but I can connect to launchpad.net in my browser
[21:35] <Surlent777> crazy thing
[21:35] <Surlent777> it's like it's not giving it enough ti
[21:35] <Surlent777> okay
[21:35] <Surlent777> now it's working
[21:35] <Surlent777> ..
[21:35] <xearo> lol talk to yourself much ;)
[21:35] <Surlent777> apt-get upgrade is behaving exactly like aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:36] <Surlent777> sorry, yeah, rambling a bit
[21:36] <Surlent777> but bottom line is that apt-get upgrade and aptitude safe-upgrade produce identical results at the moment, both differing from Synaptic
[21:37] <xearo> I just sit in here to learn stuff. Linux sold me when it ran World of Warcraft 100 FPS better than windows on Ultra Settings.. Now I am just trying to figure out what I am doing :P
[21:37] <Surlent777> haha
[21:37] <Surlent777> nice
[21:37] <maco> apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:37] <Surlent777> http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/rE95YTGi these are the suspect packages
[21:37] <maco> some packages were renamed
[21:37] <Surlent777> hm
[21:37] <Surlent777> that might totally be why aptitude hates them too
[21:37] <xearo> Its sad how Linux runs windows programs better than windows :P
[21:38] <maco> full-upgrade & dist-upgrade will both remove packages that are gone and add new ones that are suddenly depended upon
[21:38] <maco> safe-upgrade & upgrade won't
[21:38] <Surlent777> xearo: I noticed that sometimes, like with native GZDoom vs. Wine'd GZDoom
[21:38] <Surlent777> maco: I suppose I never considered that option. I've heard if you use it wrong things break, I guess, so that probably made me forget about it
[21:38] <maco> things break?
[21:39] <Surlent777> maco: so I heard at one point. Never bothered testing for myself
[21:39] <maco> er... if you don't read the list of whats being removed and it includes like...removing the kernel and not installing a new one in its place...
[21:39] <Surlent777> maco: maybe I remembered it out of context
[21:39] <maco> changing the release name in sources.list then running apt-get dist-upgrade can result in brokenness
[21:39] <xearo> No kernel is bad right? :P
[21:39] <maco> but apt-get dist-upgrade on its own shouldnt
[21:40] <Surlent777> maco: probably something like that and I forgot the context
[21:40] <Surlent777> maco: but interestingly, full-upgrade now matches Synaptic
[21:40] <xearo> Is a kernel like a popcorn kernel? It makes Linux all light and fluffy when you heat it up?
[21:40] <Surlent777> xearo: no, that's the microwave
[21:40] <xearo> lol
[21:41] <maco> kids these days... you can make popcorn on the stove too!
[21:41] <Surlent777> xearo: kernel == THEE IMMORTALE SOULE OFE LINNUX
[21:41] <Surlent777> maco: indeed. and it tastes better too.
[21:41] <maco> its the little drop of water in the middle of the corn kernel heating and evaporating and making the kernel explode that gets you popcorn
[21:41] <Surlent777> =o
[21:41] <maco> Surlent777: or just plain... kernel = linux
[21:41] <Surlent777> I was unaware of that
[21:41] <Surlent777> haha, or that
[21:42] <maco> well i mean there are other kernels...like bsd's, mach, darwin, hurd...
[21:42] <xearo> My Android phone has a kernel... I think the little robot ate it though... Damn robot...
[21:42] <Surlent777> bsd still scares me a little
[21:42] <maco> but linux technically is supposed to refer to *just* the kernel that's used in kubuntu, not the rest of the system
[21:43] <maco> (i would say "or debian" but there's debian/kFreeBSD and debian/hurd)
[21:43] <Surlent777> yeah
[21:43] <xearo> I remember FreeBSD thats the one with the devil right?
[21:43] <Surlent777> yeah
[21:43] <maco> beasty
[21:43] <maco> the unix daemon
[21:43] <Surlent777> OpenBSD is the porcupine fish
[21:43] <xearo> Tux is much more inviting :P
[21:43] <Surlent777> heh
[21:44] <maco> (psst... say bsd quickly...sounds like beasty)
[21:44] <Surlent777> beasty reminds me of that monster in Jazz Jackrabbit 2 that was in all of the hell levels
[21:44] <Surlent777> hmm
[21:44] <Surlent777> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
[21:44] <Surlent777> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[21:44] <Surlent777> Errors were encountered while processing: kde-window-manager
[21:44] <FloodBotK2> Surlent777: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:44] <Surlent777> 2 broken
[21:44] <Surlent777> =(
[21:44] <xearo> Haha Surlent777 got in trouble :P
[21:45] <Surlent777> it does that if you type too fast sometimes too
[21:45] <Surlent777> I imagine kde-window-manager is rather important though
[21:46] <Surlent777> hmm
[21:46] <Surlent777> clicking FIX in Synaptic tells me it's cool now and it should upgrade/install 37 and remove 11
[21:47] <Surlent777> but six are held back
[21:47] <Surlent777> lovely
[21:47] <xearo> What are you trying to do?
[21:47] <Surlent777> maybe that warning was valid after all
[21:47] <Surlent777> xearo: upgrade the stock KDE to KDE 4.5
[21:47] <xearo> Oh that was easy :P
[21:48] <xearo> The topic has a source you add
[21:48] <xearo> Then run that upgrade dist command
[21:48] <Surlent777> well, yes, the kubuntu ppa
[21:48] <xearo> And poof!
[21:48] <Surlent777> but it broke a package or two
[21:48] <Surlent777> how rude
[21:48] <xearo> Oh I didnt have that problem I guess
[21:48] <xearo> run it again? :X
[21:48] <Surlent777> trying, after hitting fix
[21:48] <Surlent777> so far it's plugging away
[21:49] <xearo> I spent 3 hours last night trying to get my windows to burn away...
[21:49] <Surlent777> now it seems to think everything's okay
[21:50] <Surlent777> xearo: wow, that would have been easy. Just use Gparted from a live cd/usb, delete your NTFS, expand to cover the new free space, and then you should still be okay to boot in and then update grub, if I remember right. You could probably do that from the cd/usb too.
[21:51] <xearo> Oh no I got rid of windows right away... I mean the cool little burn effect :P
[21:51] <xearo> lol
[21:51] <Surlent777> ohhh
[21:52] <xearo> Im pretty good at destroying windows...
[21:52] <Surlent777> lol
[21:52] <Surlent777> I keep it around for games that don't work in Wine
[21:52] <Surlent777> like Fallout 3 or Assassin's Creed
[21:53] <xearo> I have it on my desktop but my laptop is linux. I am going for my Masters in Comp Sci so I kinda need to know it... No more slacking
[21:53] <Surlent777> haha
[21:53] <Surlent777> it's fun, I think
[21:53] <Surlent777> alright, managed to get this taken care of, with several attempts
[21:53] <Surlent777> thanks for pointing me in the right direction, maco
[21:54] <xearo> I noticed there are always a ton of people in here but no one ever talks :X
[21:55] <Surlent777> if you want non-stop action, try #ubuntu
[21:55] <WickWoody> Hi everybody. I want to ask a question.
[21:56] <Surlent777> WickWoody: don't think you have to ask to ask; just ask
[21:56] <Surlent777> it's what we're here for
[21:56] <WickWoody> My Kubuntu is running slowly.
[21:56] <WickWoody> I installed Xubuntu for speed, but not.
[21:56] <WickWoody> My system:
[21:56] <WickWoody> Intel Celeron 1.8 GHz
[21:56] <WickWoody> 1 GB RAM
[21:56] <FloodBotK2> WickWoody: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:56] <WickWoody> Okay.
[21:57] <Surlent777> WickWoody: well, there's a lot of things that can influence speed. an important factor is your graphics card. Can you tell us what model you have?
[22:00] <Xearo> He left :(
[22:00] <Surlent777> oh
[22:00] <Surlent777> I blocked all the join/parts in this and #ubuntu for my own sanity
[22:00] <Xearo> There is no one in #ubuntu on mine
[22:01] <Surlent777> maybe not active, but there are a TON of people there. Just watch it, most of the time it's insanely active
[22:01] <wilhart> heya, i wanna upgrade to KDE4.5.0, where is repos for this i have some but they are not good
[22:01] <wilhart> they are hacked
[22:02] <Surlent777> wilhart: I was just dealing with this myself
[22:03] <wilhart> superbrad: heh give repo source
[22:03] <Surlent777> wilhart: you need to enable the kubuntu ppa, backports, and then upgrade with synaptic. It will likely take several attempts and two broken packages, but it seems to work
[22:03] <wilhart> Surlent777: hmm
[22:03] <Surlent777> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu
[22:03] <Surlent777> lucid
[22:03] <Surlent777> main
[22:04] <wilhart> Surlent777: i have the repo but not key !P!?
[22:04] <Surlent777> oh
[22:05] <Surlent777> well
[22:06] <wilhart> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu lucid main
[22:06] <Surlent777> instead of doing it with software sources, open Konsole and type sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[22:06] <wilhart> but NO key !?
[22:06] <Surlent777> that will add it and download the key
[22:06] <Surlent777> so if you added it with software sources first, then delete the one there, and do that command
[22:06] <Surlent777> don't want duplicates floating around
[22:07] <wilhart> Surlent777: ok tnx works
[22:07] <Surlent777> np
[22:07] <wilhart> ok running:D:D
[22:07] <wilhart> i JSUT instelled lucid again 5 minutes ago
[22:07] <Surlent777> heh
[22:08] <wilhart> guess why
[22:08] <Surlent777> broke it with excessive experimentation?
[22:08] <wilhart> FIRST i had to install kubuntu, then ubuntu-desktop, then login / logout run KDE again and get pulseaudio-equazlier and THEN change media audio to pulse server
[22:09] <wilhart> now i have a global equalizer for kubuntu :D
[22:09] <Surlent777> nice
[22:09] <wilhart> it works well
[22:09] <wilhart> but now i have to install 10 softawaavees again
[22:09] <wilhart> 100 things to do again
[22:09] <Surlent777> I wish my connection wasn't so terrible. I keep being unable to get update sources properly
[22:10] <wilhart> i got 99m
[22:10] <wilhart> 9m
[22:10] <Xearo> Kubuntu and Ubuntu are the same things except one is Gnome and one is KDE right?
[22:10] <wilhart> shouold be 21m but the box is so faaar from my hhouse
[22:10] <Surlent777> Xearo: more or less
[22:10] <wilhart> Xearo: yses
[22:11] <Surlent777> this is weird
[22:11] <Xearo> KDE just looks more polished to me... Looks like more time was put into it
[22:11] <Surlent777> not sure I've ever had an update to an existing kernel
[22:11] <wilhart> i remember days when u had to make the kernel :D
[22:11] <Surlent777> Xearo: I often feel the same way. GNOME makes many silly decisions in the name of "simplicity", imo. KDE and Kubuntu do a great job of being conservative and yet fairly awesome, I think
[22:12] <Xearo> Oh job... My kernel would have never got updated then
[22:12] <Surlent777> haha
[22:13] <Surlent777> I do love the GNOME menu though. It is the perfect example of what good simplicity should be. Usable, uncluttered, and easily tweakable
[22:13] <Xearo> Yeah I liked the social stuff on the main bar also
[22:14] <wilhart> Surlent777: not nice to play music in a building here where i live with BASS like BOOM BOOM
[22:14] <wilhart> and movies BOOOOM without equalizer
[22:14] <wilhart> i like kde4.5.0
[22:14] <Xearo> Im still trying to figure out how to get my flash videos in Chrome to play sound lol
[22:15] <Xearo> brb need to go get something from the car
[22:15] <wilhart> Xearo: get firefox 4 beta5
[22:17] <Surlent777> I like Chromium a lot, but the Flash support in Linux is sub-optimal; some sites, like YouTube, don't always load the videos, while others, like watch-dragonball, are fine
[22:18] <Surlent777> well, time to do some rebooting. Have fun guys
[22:30] <ml> hola
[23:46] <bng007> hi all, everytime I copy a file to my internal ntfs partition Dolphin bugs me that it cannot change permissions. is there any way to avoid this?