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ChrisWoollarddakar: Thanks for that script. It looks quite simple.00:06
dakerChrisWoollard, you are welcome00:16
ChrisWoollard_Where you commented out the username. Is that to make it apply to whoever has been assigned the bug rather than just the specified user?00:22
dakeryes00:22
ChrisWoollard_I thought so. I am not an expert python programmer00:22
dakerif you to mark all the bugs assigned to godbyk or someone else00:23
dakerjust uncomment those lignes00:23
dakerand in line 51 change "launchpad.me" to "me"00:24
ChrisWoollard_Ok. I understand. Thanks for your help.00:25
ChrisWoollard_How does it authenticate with launchpad?00:26
dakeryou need to be authenticate00:27
dakerd00:27
dakerso lp need to know how is making the changes00:27
ChrisWoollard_Does the script prompt? or do you just need to login via the web interface?00:30
dakerif you are not login the script will open a new window in your browser00:32
ChrisWoollard_Ok. That is good. Thanks for the info.00:33
dakernop00:33
ChrisWoollard_I am going to bed now. See you around tomorrow.00:33
dakergood night00:33
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humphreybcWho's around?05:00
humphreybcno one05:03
humphreybcokay05:03
godbykHey, humphreybc. I'm halfway here. :)05:08
godbykWhat's up?05:08
humphreybcjust writing up the announcement05:08
godbykcool05:09
humphreybcsaw that the links were changed over05:09
godbykeverything appears to be up and running now.05:09
humphreybcokay05:15
humphreybcshould hit planet ubuntu soon, it's on omg ubuntu, sent to some lists05:15
godbykcool05:16
godbykbtw, are you able to make an ubuntu manual meeting on Sunday at 2000 UTC?05:16
godbyk(I think that's the date and time it's currently scheduled for.)05:17
humphreybcthat would be monday morning for me05:17
humphreybcI think I should be okay05:17
godbyk'kay.05:17
godbykWe need to make up the list of things to do for Maverick and also translations for lucid-e1 and -e2.05:18
humphreybcyeah05:18
humphreybchave you talked to daker recently?05:18
humphreybchow's he going on the new sites?05:18
godbykI'm not sure what the status of the new sites is.05:19
humphreybcmy avatar is broken on http://planet.ubuntu-manual.org/ :(05:19
godbykI had him help fix up our current site to handle e2 this week, though.05:19
humphreybci'm still not happy with who's getting the manual. it's the wrong people05:22
humphreybcwe need to be pushing to loco teams05:22
humphreybceveryone who is downloading it already knows how to use ubuntu and they're just downloading it because they can05:22
humphreybcthat's something we need to talk about05:23
humphreybchow to get it out there more05:23
godbykagreed05:25
MuscovyI think the ultimate "out there" would be if it could get into the example content.05:26
humphreybcyeah05:26
godbykanyone have any idea as to what's involved in that?05:26
humphreybcJorge05:26
humphreybcI just pinged him05:26
humphreybcI think it's no problem, except the timing thing05:26
humphreybcIt will have to be the Maverick one05:26
godbykyeah, that'll be nearly impossible.05:26
godbykI mean they're changing things up until the last moment.05:27
humphreybcWe can drop in our RC when they have their RC05:27
godbykso any docs we put on the cd will likely be out of date and invalid.05:27
nisshhyou guys know that 10.04.1 was just released the other day?05:27
humphreybcnisshh: yes05:27
humphreybcgodbyk they've been better this time05:27
nisshhyea05:27
godbykhumphreybc: have they?05:27
humphreybcthey didn't land the theme 6 hours before beta freeze this time :P05:27
humphreybcyeah05:27
godbykheh05:27
humphreybcwell feature freeze has passed05:27
humphreybcI think05:27
nisshhhumphreybc: maybe you could get it in the example content for 10.04.2?05:27
humphreybcnisshh: no, point releases are just bug fixes.05:28
nisshhim sure 1 pdf would be allowed05:28
humphreybcwe're looking at maverick05:28
humphreybcgodbyk, also PDF size05:28
nisshhah right05:28
humphreybcit's too big at the moment05:28
humphreybcwe need to cut down screenshots and the length and compress it05:28
godbykright now it's 4.5 MB.05:28
humphreybcthey use every single kilobyte for the CD05:28
MuscovyIt's still 4.2 MB compressed.05:29
humphreybcyeah I mean it will have to be less than 3 I reckon, and even then it will take a lot of convincing05:29
nisshhhumphreybc: do the screenshots currently get compressed with an image compressor?05:29
humphreybcnisshh: no idea05:29
humphreybcalso05:29
humphreybcI want thorwil to do a more prominent title page design05:29
humphreybca bolder one05:29
humphreybcdarker05:29
humphreybcand the colour scheme in the PDF can change too05:30
MuscovyI'd like to see that.05:30
humphreybcpurples and oranges, not brick reds05:30
godbykyeah, thorwil and I are discussing new design stuff for maverick.05:30
humphreybcthis is all for maverick05:30
godbykbtw, I love how the only 'feature' you mention in your email is the file system pic you did. :-P05:34
humphreybcthere aren't any other features though :P05:34
godbykyeah, but that's not worth mentioning either. :)05:35
humphreybclol05:35
humphreybcgodbyk: http://twitter.com/humphreybc/status/2155028880105:41
humphreybcBasically just got the word out to potentially 13,000 people :P05:41
godbykNice. :)05:42
humphreybcgreat, thorwil fixed the circle of friends in the second edition05:46
humphreybc(the "bodies" lost weight in the new branding)05:47
godbykyeah05:48
humphreybchave you got last.fm ?05:49
godbykyeah05:49
godbykI don't do anything with it, though.05:49
humphreybchttp://www.last.fm/user/humphreybc105:49
humphreybcoh05:49
humphreybcyou should turn on scrobbling05:49
humphreybcit's really simple05:49
godbykit probably just tracks whatever random stuff I listen to. :)05:49
humphreybcand you just leave it :P05:49
godbykfill me in.05:49
humphreybcwhat music player do you use?05:49
godbyksometimes rhythmbox, sometimes mplayer.05:50
humphreybcrhythmbox has a plugin05:50
humphreybcso does banshee05:50
humphreybcthere's also a neat android app05:50
humphreybcyou just install it, tell it your username / password and it runs whenever music is playing05:50
godbykI've done that before.05:52
godbykBut what's the benefit?05:52
humphreybcyou get to see stats05:53
humphreybcand other people05:53
humphreybccan see what you like05:53
humphreybcdo you know how to add this (http://twitpic.com/widgets/designer) to my wordpress blog sidebar?05:54
godbykthat link didn't take me anywhere useful.05:54
humphreybcoh05:54
humphreybcwell it's some js code05:54
humphreybcyou know, to paste on your site05:54
humphreybcbut i can't find a wordpress widget that lets me paste in js code?05:55
godbykbut typically, you go to the /wp-admin/ dir, and there will be a Sidebar link under the Appearance tab (or whatever).  You can select widgets or paste code for a new one.05:55
godbyk(I made up the names of the links.. but that's the general idea of how to find it.. I think.)05:55
humphreybcyeah i'm here05:55
humphreybchttp://humphreybc.wordpress.com/wp-admin/widgets.php05:55
humphreybcbut05:55
humphreybccan't make a new widget05:55
humphreybcno idea how to install plugins either05:55
humphreybci think it's because i'm using wordpress.com instead of downloading the wordpress software?05:56
godbykon mine, there's a Plugins block on the left with 'Add New' link.05:56
godbykI think the Appearance > Widgets is what you want.05:56
humphreybcbut you downloaded and installed wordpress on your server05:56
humphreybci'm just running off the wordpress.com server05:56
humphreybcyeah05:56
humphreybci'm there05:56
godbykI can't do it on mine because my current theme doesn't have a sidebar.05:56
humphreybcbut05:56
humphreybcno plugins05:56
godbykah, gotcha.05:57
humphreybcthere are things05:57
humphreybcbut they're not what i want05:57
godbykthey may not allow it. I'm not sure.05:57
humphreybcgrr05:57
humphreybci am hungry05:58
godbykbrb06:00
humphreybcgodbyk, start looking into ways to get the PDF file size down06:00
godbykI've been doing that.06:00
godbykI just ran the screenshots through pngcrush and it reduced their size a lot.06:00
godbykbut the pdf was the same size in the end.06:00
godbyknow I'm trying to find a program that'll tell me what part of the pdf is taking all the space: text, screenshots, fonts, etc.06:00
godbykif you find one, let me know.06:00
godbykbrb06:00
humphreybcok06:01
nigelbhumphreybc: heya!06:13
nigelbgot a minute?06:13
humphreybcyar06:14
nigelbcan you make a note to mail in plaintext?06:14
nigelb(just to the lists)06:14
humphreybcwhat do you mean?06:14
nigelbmost of turn off html formatting since lists prefer not to have it.06:14
nigelbNo big deal :)06:15
humphreybcoh06:15
humphreybcthe announcement06:15
humphreybcit doesn't really matter because it's all over the place anyway06:15
nigelbYeah.  No big deal.  But if you can, great :)06:15
nigelbI should add this channel to my auto-join list :)06:16
godbykback now.06:18
humphreybcnigelb: you should, we're pretty cool06:18
godbyksome of us are way cooler than others, though. :-P06:20
nigelbhaha06:20
nigelbmy irssi has too many windows! Need to kill some.06:20
humphreybci have to go to the supermarket and get some chicken for dinner but it's raining :(06:26
godbykorder delivery instead.06:26
humphreybcdon't really have that in NZ06:27
godbykah, bummer06:27
thorwilgood morning!08:06
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ChrisWoollard_godbyk: ping12:17
h00kHello, ubuntu-manual!13:13
h00kas before, I am also hosting the next Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04 Second Edition as a second(or third, or hundredth) mirror13:14
h00kFeel free to use the link as needed: http://anthonyrhook.com/Getting%20Started%20with%20Ubuntu%2010.04%20Second%20Edition.pdf13:15
h00kThat is all, cheears :)13:15
h00ks/cheears/cheers13:17
ChrisWoollardMy Printed copy of e2 just arrived :)13:17
h00kI lied, something is strange with my hosting.13:21
h00kThere we go, http://anthonyrhook.com/ubuntu/Getting%20Started%20with%20Ubuntu%2010.04%20-%20Second%20Edition.pdf or alternatively http://bit.ly/9VWjyY13:30
flanDo we need more mirrors?15:58
flanIf so, I can offer one.15:58
dakerflan, not for now15:59
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jenkinsevening al19:17
jenkinsl19:17
thymoxEvening. It's been a bit quite on here tonight.19:17
jenkinshey thymox, allot of us now have real jobs :(19:18
* jenkins starts quickshot for the evening19:18
thymoxHey Jenkins - I never said anyone didn't have a real job. :p19:19
jenkinsooo uupc is out19:19
jenkinsyea I am in here all day if I am at uni19:20
* flan claims that all jobs are fake.19:21
thymoxI'm planning on hanging out in various #ubuntu-* IRC channels a bit more... so long as I can get it to work through my work's proxy.19:21
flanfor i in jobs: assert isinstance(i, fake)19:23
jenkinsmy work it policy is very strict I would no way be allowed to be on irc, also I would get none of my work done :P19:26
thymoxMy work have a filtered proxy - but some things only get filtered if you're on certain networks.  F'rinstance, facebook is not allowed if you're getting to t'Internet via their student-access wifi; if you're on a workstation that's got an Ethernet connection, or if you connect via the locked-down-by-MAC-addresses staff-access wifi, then facebook is not blocked.19:28
flanSet up an SSH tunnel at home./19:29
flanThough Facebook is terrible and should be blocked everywhere.19:29
jenkinsflan: ben put a september 10th as a quickshot release date how likely do you think it will be to make it? I am unsure as it depends how much time it takes for me to learn the stuff i need19:29
flanUh... doable.19:30
flanBut we'll have very little time for testing.19:30
thymox@flan: I agree WRT facebook; I did have an SSH tunnel set up to my home before I moved house and job... I am now looking for a cheap, low-power device to have on 24/7 at home so I can do it again. :)19:30
manualbotthymox: Error: "flan:" is not a valid command.19:30
jenkinsyea thats my thought flan19:30
flanthymox, have you considered a VPS or VPS-like solution?19:31
jenkinsI do have a week off from 2819:31
flanI can't take time off before the 18th of September. :(19:31
flanBig project.19:31
flanUnless I get that done super-fast.19:31
flanI really only need about fifteent o twenty good hours to get the server operational, though.19:32
flanI'll find some way to self-host the UMP instance if we're pressed for time.19:33
jenkinscool I need to learn a few bits and then need the server interacting stuff, I am playing with the old stuff atm19:33
jenkinshey Muscovy19:33
flanI could just park a server at my parents' place and serve it through my ISP if I can't host it under uguu.ca and we encounter any snags in getting it running on Dreamhost's limited WSGI platform.19:33
flanThe server-interface code will be much better than before.19:34
flanThat'll only take a couple of hours to write.19:34
flanIf their absence is holding you back, I could write a prototype now.19:34
flanJust without any actual functionality.19:35
flanOh. I could probably also host it at work, under my domain, if we get really desperate. I've got plenty of servers that could easily handle the load.19:36
flan(That only I ever see)19:36
MuscovyHello jenkins.19:41
jenkinsflan: no rush it is not holding me back at all19:42
MuscovyWhat are you guys working on?19:43
flanQuickshot.19:43
flanI'll be +Internet in about 42 hours.19:43
flanWhich makes me $EMOTION.19:43
jenkinswhat day do you get it?19:44
MuscovyI'm reading the post, that looks cool.19:44
flanSaturday, UTC-6.19:44
flanEarly on Saturday.19:44
flanLike, around 10:00.19:45
jenkinscool on monday I get unlimited download limit \o/ .  I will try and be on then on sat as I will not be around on sunday19:45
jenkinsMuscovy: do you know any python?19:45
MuscovySome.19:45
flanPfft. Download limits.19:45
* flan doesn't handle enough traffic to make them meaningful.19:46
jenkinsdo you know pygtk? or any thing about packaging for other distros.19:46
flanThough my PS3 probably uses a fair chunk, the few times I actually play stuff online.19:46
MuscovyNeither, I'm afraid.19:46
jenkinsyou could learn :P19:46
MuscovyThough technically I suppose I know a little about packaging for Debian. :P19:47
flandebhelper?19:47
MuscovyYeah.19:47
jenkinsI have been learning that, I have pretty much learnt how to write a debian rules files.19:48
flanBecause you're crazy. =P19:48
* jenkins remebers to ask Muscovy if he needs some help on the week end19:48
MuscovyWhat about the weekend?19:48
jenkinshelp with packaging I have a few odds and ends to finish19:49
jenkinsif you don't mind :)19:50
MuscovyI should be able to help.19:50
MuscovyI know very little about the rules file though.19:50
MuscovyMost of my packages have been drop-in graphics and Python and stuff.19:51
godbykChrisWoollard: pong.19:52
godbykChrisWoollard: your printed copy of e2 arrived already?!  Wow!19:52
* jenkins needs to order a copy19:53
* Muscovy also needs one.19:53
* flan has moving expenses and will likely have to wait for Maverick to order one. :(19:55
godbykOr perhaps, ChrisWoollard_: pong? :)19:55
ChrisWoollard_Hello20:11
ChrisWoollard_Yes. And it looks great20:11
ChrisWoollard_It seems that it was printed local to the uk.20:12
ChrisWoollard_godbyk: Have you seen those new bug reports that we have got?20:14
godbykChrisWoollard_: Yeah, they have printers around the world.20:14
godbykChrisWoollard_: I've seen a couple of 'em and agree with the ones I've seen.20:15
flans/Unix-based/Linux-based/, I hope.20:15
jenkinswhen we ordered lucid-e1 mine came first :)20:16
ChrisWoollard_So, Are we going to do a lucid-e3?20:17
flanThat seems kinda pointless, with Maverick so close.20:18
ChrisWoollard_I know.20:18
flanJust fix the bugs going forward.20:18
ChrisWoollard_I felt a little sad about popey's comments.20:18
jenkinswhat was popey' comments where?20:19
godbykYeah, you Brits don't have to ship things very far. :)20:19
godbykTook forever for mine to arrive.20:19
godbykNah, we'll just deal with it all in maverick.20:20
ChrisWoollard_What was said in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/58236120:20
manualbotLaunchpad bug 582361 in ubuntu-manual "apt-get doesn't mention dist-upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed]20:20
godbykRE: popey's bug: I think the problem is two-fold: 1. it required some thought/research to solve properly and no one spent the time on it, and 2. it may become a moot point if we're removing that chapter/section from the maverick edition.20:20
ChrisWoollard_I can start fixing them in maverick now can't I?20:21
godbykChrisWoollard_: You might want to hold off just a bit.20:22
godbykI think the maverick branch is funky.20:22
godbykIt's *really* big compared to the lucid-e2 branch.20:22
godbyk(i.e., over twice as large.)20:22
godbykwe should probably get that fixed first.20:22
ChrisWoollard_Why don't you just drop it and re-create it from lucid-e220:23
godbykI *think* to fix it for lucid-e2, I wiped out the whole branch, created a brand new empty one and copied over just the files we needed.20:23
ChrisWoollard_When do you think you can have the funkiness removed?20:23
godbykBut I'll have to check my notes to be sure.20:24
godbykI'll try to take a look at it today.20:24
jenkinscan we not delete the screenshots and the .bzr file?20:24
godbykUnless someone else wants to handle it.20:24
godbykjenkins: I don't think so because launchpad still has all that history.20:24
godbykI think we have to kill the branch entirely and then copy over the files themselves (i.e., not create a branch from e2).20:24
jenkinswell if i delete the branch and use lucid-e2 but set up a new branch with it will that work?20:25
ChrisWoollard_Like a fresh copy20:25
godbykjenkins: that'll pull in the lucid-e2 history and we don't really care about that.20:25
godbykwe just want the files themselves.20:25
godbykbasically, we want maverick to be a completely fresh start.20:26
jenkinswell i would delete the .bzr stuff20:26
godbykwe'll never revert to an older e2 revision.20:26
godbykI'm not following with the .bzr stuff.20:26
godbykif you delete the .bzr stuff locally, the history will still exist on launchpad and still take up space, right?20:26
ChrisWoollard_I have to go to the supermarket now. I look forward to seeing it when i get back ;)20:26
godbykbrb20:26
jenkinswell there is a .bzr folder which I assume contains all the history if I also delete the mavrick branch in launchpad and recreate it will that work?20:27
ChrisWoollard_Also, have we got an agenda for the meeting on Sunday yet?20:27
jenkinsnot as far as i know20:29
jenkinsok well we can't delete mavrick as there is one branch that shares revisions, what does that mean?20:31
godbykback20:31
jenkinswell I know what it means but what do we do?20:31
godbykjenkins: hmm.. good question.20:32
godbykmaybe ask the #launchpad guys what's best?20:32
godbykwhat we're trying to do is get a fresh start on the branch and jettison all the history/older revisions.20:32
jenkinsI will give them a shout20:33
godbykthanks20:34
jenkinsgodbyk ping21:40
jenkinsgodbyk I raised the issue in #launchpad and did not get much of an answer lifeless said (20:49:24) lifeless: jenkins: thats a pretty harmful thing to do21:48
jenkins(20:49:33) lifeless: jenkins: you'll make it hard for everyone collaborating on it. I did reply and I have asked people to direct any other answers to you as I need to get some sleep21:48
godbykjenkins: How does it make it hard?21:49
jenkinsok I can't ask them as you are not in the channel21:49
godbykwhat?21:49
jenkinswell everyone has to re start the branch as thy will diverge21:50
jenkinsI ment you are not in #launchpad21:51
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ChrisWoollard_godbyk: ping22:25
godbykChrisWoollard_: pong22:25
ChrisWoollard_I have noticed that in the maverick branch there is a directory called Planet Stuff22:25
ChrisWoollard_That isn't in e222:26
ChrisWoollard_it isn't very big though22:26
godbykChrisWoollard_: Yeah, I was just talking to jenkins about all that.22:26
godbykWe should really delete the branch, make a new one, and copy over only the files we need.  (So we don't drag in all the history we don't care about.)22:27
godbykBut then jenkins said one of the #launchpad guys said that was a bad idea for some reason.22:27
ChrisWoollard_I saw that the #launchpad people scared Jenkins though22:27
jenkinswell everyone has to re start the branch as thy will diverge22:27
jenkinsthey did not scare me :P22:27
jenkinsi scared them as they did not answer back :D22:28
ChrisWoollard_Sorry, That was just my interpretation22:28
jenkinshehe lol np22:28
ChrisWoollard_I thought you were going to bed22:28
ChrisWoollard_to me it looks like the .bzr directory is huge in the maverick branch but not e222:29
godbykdid I put the files in the maverick branch? where did they come from?22:29
jenkinsI put all the lucid-e2 stuff in yesterday22:30
jenkinsjust revert the revision if need be, night all22:30
godbykhow?22:30
ChrisWoollard_118mb compared with 14mb22:30
godbykwell, reverting it still leaves the history though, right?22:30
ChrisWoollard_he ran away....22:31
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askhl_Hi.  The strings in lucid e1 are changing - our translation rate has dropped considerably.  What's going on?23:46
godbykaskhl_: I don't know why the strings would be changing.  The translation template file (.pot file) hasn't been changed recently.23:59

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