[00:06] <ChrisWoollard> dakar: Thanks for that script. It looks quite simple.
[00:16] <daker> ChrisWoollard, you are welcome
[00:22] <ChrisWoollard_> Where you commented out the username. Is that to make it apply to whoever has been assigned the bug rather than just the specified user?
[00:22] <daker> yes
[00:22] <ChrisWoollard_> I thought so. I am not an expert python programmer
[00:23] <daker> if you to mark all the bugs assigned to godbyk or someone else
[00:23] <daker> just uncomment those lignes
[00:24] <daker> and in line 51 change "launchpad.me" to "me"
[00:25] <ChrisWoollard_> Ok. I understand. Thanks for your help.
[00:26] <ChrisWoollard_> How does it authenticate with launchpad?
[00:27] <daker> you need to be authenticate
[00:27] <daker> d
[00:27] <daker> so lp need to know how is making the changes
[00:30] <ChrisWoollard_> Does the script prompt? or do you just need to login via the web interface?
[00:32] <daker> if you are not login the script will open a new window in your browser
[00:33] <ChrisWoollard_> Ok. That is good. Thanks for the info.
[00:33] <daker> nop
[00:33] <ChrisWoollard_> I am going to bed now. See you around tomorrow.
[00:33] <daker> good night
[05:00] <humphreybc> Who's around?
[05:03] <humphreybc> no one
[05:03] <humphreybc> okay
[05:08] <godbyk> Hey, humphreybc. I'm halfway here. :)
[05:08] <godbyk> What's up?
[05:08] <humphreybc> just writing up the announcement
[05:09] <godbyk> cool
[05:09] <humphreybc> saw that the links were changed over
[05:09] <godbyk> everything appears to be up and running now.
[05:15] <humphreybc> okay
[05:15] <humphreybc> should hit planet ubuntu soon, it's on omg ubuntu, sent to some lists
[05:16] <godbyk> cool
[05:16] <godbyk> btw, are you able to make an ubuntu manual meeting on Sunday at 2000 UTC?
[05:17] <godbyk> (I think that's the date and time it's currently scheduled for.)
[05:17] <humphreybc> that would be monday morning for me
[05:17] <humphreybc> I think I should be okay
[05:17] <godbyk> 'kay.
[05:18] <godbyk> We need to make up the list of things to do for Maverick and also translations for lucid-e1 and -e2.
[05:18] <humphreybc> yeah
[05:18] <humphreybc> have you talked to daker recently?
[05:18] <humphreybc> how's he going on the new sites?
[05:19] <godbyk> I'm not sure what the status of the new sites is.
[05:19] <humphreybc> my avatar is broken on http://planet.ubuntu-manual.org/ :(
[05:19] <godbyk> I had him help fix up our current site to handle e2 this week, though.
[05:22] <humphreybc> i'm still not happy with who's getting the manual. it's the wrong people
[05:22] <humphreybc> we need to be pushing to loco teams
[05:22] <humphreybc> everyone who is downloading it already knows how to use ubuntu and they're just downloading it because they can
[05:23] <humphreybc> that's something we need to talk about
[05:23] <humphreybc> how to get it out there more
[05:25] <godbyk> agreed
[05:26] <Muscovy> I think the ultimate "out there" would be if it could get into the example content.
[05:26] <humphreybc> yeah
[05:26] <godbyk> anyone have any idea as to what's involved in that?
[05:26] <humphreybc> Jorge
[05:26] <humphreybc> I just pinged him
[05:26] <humphreybc> I think it's no problem, except the timing thing
[05:26] <humphreybc> It will have to be the Maverick one
[05:26] <godbyk> yeah, that'll be nearly impossible.
[05:27] <godbyk> I mean they're changing things up until the last moment.
[05:27] <humphreybc> We can drop in our RC when they have their RC
[05:27] <godbyk> so any docs we put on the cd will likely be out of date and invalid.
[05:27] <nisshh> you guys know that 10.04.1 was just released the other day?
[05:27] <humphreybc> nisshh: yes
[05:27] <humphreybc> godbyk they've been better this time
[05:27] <nisshh> yea
[05:27] <godbyk> humphreybc: have they?
[05:27] <humphreybc> they didn't land the theme 6 hours before beta freeze this time :P
[05:27] <humphreybc> yeah
[05:27] <godbyk> heh
[05:27] <humphreybc> well feature freeze has passed
[05:27] <humphreybc> I think
[05:27] <nisshh> humphreybc: maybe you could get it in the example content for 10.04.2?
[05:28] <humphreybc> nisshh: no, point releases are just bug fixes.
[05:28] <nisshh> im sure 1 pdf would be allowed
[05:28] <humphreybc> we're looking at maverick
[05:28] <humphreybc> godbyk, also PDF size
[05:28] <nisshh> ah right
[05:28] <humphreybc> it's too big at the moment
[05:28] <humphreybc> we need to cut down screenshots and the length and compress it
[05:28] <godbyk> right now it's 4.5 MB.
[05:28] <humphreybc> they use every single kilobyte for the CD
[05:29] <Muscovy> It's still 4.2 MB compressed.
[05:29] <humphreybc> yeah I mean it will have to be less than 3 I reckon, and even then it will take a lot of convincing
[05:29] <nisshh> humphreybc: do the screenshots currently get compressed with an image compressor?
[05:29] <humphreybc> nisshh: no idea
[05:29] <humphreybc> also
[05:29] <humphreybc> I want thorwil to do a more prominent title page design
[05:29] <humphreybc> a bolder one
[05:29] <humphreybc> darker
[05:30] <humphreybc> and the colour scheme in the PDF can change too
[05:30] <Muscovy> I'd like to see that.
[05:30] <humphreybc> purples and oranges, not brick reds
[05:30] <godbyk> yeah, thorwil and I are discussing new design stuff for maverick.
[05:30] <humphreybc> this is all for maverick
[05:34] <godbyk> btw, I love how the only 'feature' you mention in your email is the file system pic you did. :-P
[05:34] <humphreybc> there aren't any other features though :P
[05:35] <godbyk> yeah, but that's not worth mentioning either. :)
[05:35] <humphreybc> lol
[05:41] <humphreybc> godbyk: http://twitter.com/humphreybc/status/21550288801
[05:41] <humphreybc> Basically just got the word out to potentially 13,000 people :P
[05:42] <godbyk> Nice. :)
[05:46] <humphreybc> great, thorwil fixed the circle of friends in the second edition
[05:47] <humphreybc> (the "bodies" lost weight in the new branding)
[05:48] <godbyk> yeah
[05:49] <humphreybc> have you got last.fm ?
[05:49] <godbyk> yeah
[05:49] <godbyk> I don't do anything with it, though.
[05:49] <humphreybc> http://www.last.fm/user/humphreybc1
[05:49] <humphreybc> oh
[05:49] <humphreybc> you should turn on scrobbling
[05:49] <humphreybc> it's really simple
[05:49] <godbyk> it probably just tracks whatever random stuff I listen to. :)
[05:49] <humphreybc> and you just leave it :P
[05:49] <godbyk> fill me in.
[05:49] <humphreybc> what music player do you use?
[05:50] <godbyk> sometimes rhythmbox, sometimes mplayer.
[05:50] <humphreybc> rhythmbox has a plugin
[05:50] <humphreybc> so does banshee
[05:50] <humphreybc> there's also a neat android app
[05:50] <humphreybc> you just install it, tell it your username / password and it runs whenever music is playing
[05:52] <godbyk> I've done that before.
[05:52] <godbyk> But what's the benefit?
[05:53] <humphreybc> you get to see stats
[05:53] <humphreybc> and other people
[05:53] <humphreybc> can see what you like
[05:54] <humphreybc> do you know how to add this (http://twitpic.com/widgets/designer) to my wordpress blog sidebar?
[05:54] <godbyk> that link didn't take me anywhere useful.
[05:54] <humphreybc> oh
[05:54] <humphreybc> well it's some js code
[05:54] <humphreybc> you know, to paste on your site
[05:55] <humphreybc> but i can't find a wordpress widget that lets me paste in js code?
[05:55] <godbyk> but typically, you go to the /wp-admin/ dir, and there will be a Sidebar link under the Appearance tab (or whatever).  You can select widgets or paste code for a new one.
[05:55] <godbyk> (I made up the names of the links.. but that's the general idea of how to find it.. I think.)
[05:55] <humphreybc> yeah i'm here
[05:55] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/wp-admin/widgets.php
[05:55] <humphreybc> but
[05:55] <humphreybc> can't make a new widget
[05:55] <humphreybc> no idea how to install plugins either
[05:56] <humphreybc> i think it's because i'm using wordpress.com instead of downloading the wordpress software?
[05:56] <godbyk> on mine, there's a Plugins block on the left with 'Add New' link.
[05:56] <godbyk> I think the Appearance > Widgets is what you want.
[05:56] <humphreybc> but you downloaded and installed wordpress on your server
[05:56] <humphreybc> i'm just running off the wordpress.com server
[05:56] <humphreybc> yeah
[05:56] <humphreybc> i'm there
[05:56] <godbyk> I can't do it on mine because my current theme doesn't have a sidebar.
[05:56] <humphreybc> but
[05:56] <humphreybc> no plugins
[05:57] <godbyk> ah, gotcha.
[05:57] <humphreybc> there are things
[05:57] <humphreybc> but they're not what i want
[05:57] <godbyk> they may not allow it. I'm not sure.
[05:57] <humphreybc> grr
[05:58] <humphreybc> i am hungry
[06:00] <godbyk> brb
[06:00] <humphreybc> godbyk, start looking into ways to get the PDF file size down
[06:00] <godbyk> I've been doing that.
[06:00] <godbyk> I just ran the screenshots through pngcrush and it reduced their size a lot.
[06:00] <godbyk> but the pdf was the same size in the end.
[06:00] <godbyk> now I'm trying to find a program that'll tell me what part of the pdf is taking all the space: text, screenshots, fonts, etc.
[06:00] <godbyk> if you find one, let me know.
[06:00] <godbyk> brb
[06:01] <humphreybc> ok
[06:13] <nigelb> humphreybc: heya!
[06:13] <nigelb> got a minute?
[06:14] <humphreybc> yar
[06:14] <nigelb> can you make a note to mail in plaintext?
[06:14] <nigelb> (just to the lists)
[06:14] <humphreybc> what do you mean?
[06:14] <nigelb> most of turn off html formatting since lists prefer not to have it.
[06:15] <nigelb> No big deal :)
[06:15] <humphreybc> oh
[06:15] <humphreybc> the announcement
[06:15] <humphreybc> it doesn't really matter because it's all over the place anyway
[06:15] <nigelb> Yeah.  No big deal.  But if you can, great :)
[06:16] <nigelb> I should add this channel to my auto-join list :)
[06:18] <godbyk> back now.
[06:18] <humphreybc> nigelb: you should, we're pretty cool
[06:20] <godbyk> some of us are way cooler than others, though. :-P
[06:20] <nigelb> haha
[06:20] <nigelb> my irssi has too many windows! Need to kill some.
[06:26] <humphreybc> i have to go to the supermarket and get some chicken for dinner but it's raining :(
[06:26] <godbyk> order delivery instead.
[06:27] <humphreybc> don't really have that in NZ
[06:27] <godbyk> ah, bummer
[08:06] <thorwil> good morning!
[12:17] <ChrisWoollard_> godbyk: ping
[13:13] <h00k> Hello, ubuntu-manual!
[13:14] <h00k> as before, I am also hosting the next Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04 Second Edition as a second(or third, or hundredth) mirror
[13:15] <h00k> Feel free to use the link as needed: http://anthonyrhook.com/Getting%20Started%20with%20Ubuntu%2010.04%20Second%20Edition.pdf
[13:15] <h00k> That is all, cheears :)
[13:17] <h00k> s/cheears/cheers
[13:17] <ChrisWoollard> My Printed copy of e2 just arrived :)
[13:21] <h00k> I lied, something is strange with my hosting.
[13:30] <h00k> There we go, http://anthonyrhook.com/ubuntu/Getting%20Started%20with%20Ubuntu%2010.04%20-%20Second%20Edition.pdf or alternatively http://bit.ly/9VWjyY
[15:58] <flan> Do we need more mirrors?
[15:58] <flan> If so, I can offer one.
[15:59] <daker> flan, not for now
[19:17] <jenkins> evening al
[19:17] <jenkins> l
[19:17] <thymox> Evening. It's been a bit quite on here tonight.
[19:18] <jenkins> hey thymox, allot of us now have real jobs :(
[19:18]  * jenkins starts quickshot for the evening
[19:19] <thymox> Hey Jenkins - I never said anyone didn't have a real job. :p
[19:19] <jenkins> ooo uupc is out
[19:20] <jenkins> yea I am in here all day if I am at uni
[19:21]  * flan claims that all jobs are fake.
[19:21] <thymox> I'm planning on hanging out in various #ubuntu-* IRC channels a bit more... so long as I can get it to work through my work's proxy.
[19:23] <flan> for i in jobs: assert isinstance(i, fake)
[19:26] <jenkins> my work it policy is very strict I would no way be allowed to be on irc, also I would get none of my work done :P
[19:28] <thymox> My work have a filtered proxy - but some things only get filtered if you're on certain networks.  F'rinstance, facebook is not allowed if you're getting to t'Internet via their student-access wifi; if you're on a workstation that's got an Ethernet connection, or if you connect via the locked-down-by-MAC-addresses staff-access wifi, then facebook is not blocked.
[19:29] <flan> Set up an SSH tunnel at home./
[19:29] <flan> Though Facebook is terrible and should be blocked everywhere.
[19:29] <jenkins> flan: ben put a september 10th as a quickshot release date how likely do you think it will be to make it? I am unsure as it depends how much time it takes for me to learn the stuff i need
[19:30] <flan> Uh... doable.
[19:30] <flan> But we'll have very little time for testing.
[19:30] <thymox> @flan: I agree WRT facebook; I did have an SSH tunnel set up to my home before I moved house and job... I am now looking for a cheap, low-power device to have on 24/7 at home so I can do it again. :)
[19:30] <manualbot> thymox: Error: "flan:" is not a valid command.
[19:30] <jenkins> yea thats my thought flan
[19:31] <flan> thymox, have you considered a VPS or VPS-like solution?
[19:31] <jenkins> I do have a week off from 28
[19:31] <flan> I can't take time off before the 18th of September. :(
[19:31] <flan> Big project.
[19:31] <flan> Unless I get that done super-fast.
[19:32] <flan> I really only need about fifteent o twenty good hours to get the server operational, though.
[19:33] <flan> I'll find some way to self-host the UMP instance if we're pressed for time.
[19:33] <jenkins> cool I need to learn a few bits and then need the server interacting stuff, I am playing with the old stuff atm
[19:33] <jenkins> hey Muscovy
[19:33] <flan> I could just park a server at my parents' place and serve it through my ISP if I can't host it under uguu.ca and we encounter any snags in getting it running on Dreamhost's limited WSGI platform.
[19:34] <flan> The server-interface code will be much better than before.
[19:34] <flan> That'll only take a couple of hours to write.
[19:34] <flan> If their absence is holding you back, I could write a prototype now.
[19:35] <flan> Just without any actual functionality.
[19:36] <flan> Oh. I could probably also host it at work, under my domain, if we get really desperate. I've got plenty of servers that could easily handle the load.
[19:36] <flan> (That only I ever see)
[19:41] <Muscovy> Hello jenkins.
[19:42] <jenkins> flan: no rush it is not holding me back at all
[19:43] <Muscovy> What are you guys working on?
[19:43] <flan> Quickshot.
[19:43] <flan> I'll be +Internet in about 42 hours.
[19:43] <flan> Which makes me $EMOTION.
[19:44] <jenkins> what day do you get it?
[19:44] <Muscovy> I'm reading the post, that looks cool.
[19:44] <flan> Saturday, UTC-6.
[19:44] <flan> Early on Saturday.
[19:45] <flan> Like, around 10:00.
[19:45] <jenkins> cool on monday I get unlimited download limit \o/ .  I will try and be on then on sat as I will not be around on sunday
[19:45] <jenkins> Muscovy: do you know any python?
[19:45] <Muscovy> Some.
[19:45] <flan> Pfft. Download limits.
[19:46]  * flan doesn't handle enough traffic to make them meaningful.
[19:46] <jenkins> do you know pygtk? or any thing about packaging for other distros.
[19:46] <flan> Though my PS3 probably uses a fair chunk, the few times I actually play stuff online.
[19:46] <Muscovy> Neither, I'm afraid.
[19:46] <jenkins> you could learn :P
[19:47] <Muscovy> Though technically I suppose I know a little about packaging for Debian. :P
[19:47] <flan> debhelper?
[19:47] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[19:48] <jenkins> I have been learning that, I have pretty much learnt how to write a debian rules files.
[19:48] <flan> Because you're crazy. =P
[19:48]  * jenkins remebers to ask Muscovy if he needs some help on the week end
[19:48] <Muscovy> What about the weekend?
[19:49] <jenkins> help with packaging I have a few odds and ends to finish
[19:50] <jenkins> if you don't mind :)
[19:50] <Muscovy> I should be able to help.
[19:50] <Muscovy> I know very little about the rules file though.
[19:51] <Muscovy> Most of my packages have been drop-in graphics and Python and stuff.
[19:52] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: pong.
[19:52] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: your printed copy of e2 arrived already?!  Wow!
[19:53]  * jenkins needs to order a copy
[19:53]  * Muscovy also needs one.
[19:55]  * flan has moving expenses and will likely have to wait for Maverick to order one. :(
[19:55] <godbyk> Or perhaps, ChrisWoollard_: pong? :)
[20:11] <ChrisWoollard_> Hello
[20:11] <ChrisWoollard_> Yes. And it looks great
[20:12] <ChrisWoollard_> It seems that it was printed local to the uk.
[20:14] <ChrisWoollard_> godbyk: Have you seen those new bug reports that we have got?
[20:14] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard_: Yeah, they have printers around the world.
[20:15] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard_: I've seen a couple of 'em and agree with the ones I've seen.
[20:15] <flan> s/Unix-based/Linux-based/, I hope.
[20:16] <jenkins> when we ordered lucid-e1 mine came first :)
[20:17] <ChrisWoollard_> So, Are we going to do a lucid-e3?
[20:18] <flan> That seems kinda pointless, with Maverick so close.
[20:18] <ChrisWoollard_> I know.
[20:18] <flan> Just fix the bugs going forward.
[20:18] <ChrisWoollard_> I felt a little sad about popey's comments.
[20:19] <jenkins> what was popey' comments where?
[20:19] <godbyk> Yeah, you Brits don't have to ship things very far. :)
[20:19] <godbyk> Took forever for mine to arrive.
[20:20] <godbyk> Nah, we'll just deal with it all in maverick.
[20:20] <ChrisWoollard_> What was said in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/582361
[20:20] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 582361 in ubuntu-manual "apt-get doesn't mention dist-upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:20] <godbyk> RE: popey's bug: I think the problem is two-fold: 1. it required some thought/research to solve properly and no one spent the time on it, and 2. it may become a moot point if we're removing that chapter/section from the maverick edition.
[20:21] <ChrisWoollard_> I can start fixing them in maverick now can't I?
[20:22] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard_: You might want to hold off just a bit.
[20:22] <godbyk> I think the maverick branch is funky.
[20:22] <godbyk> It's *really* big compared to the lucid-e2 branch.
[20:22] <godbyk> (i.e., over twice as large.)
[20:22] <godbyk> we should probably get that fixed first.
[20:23] <ChrisWoollard_> Why don't you just drop it and re-create it from lucid-e2
[20:23] <godbyk> I *think* to fix it for lucid-e2, I wiped out the whole branch, created a brand new empty one and copied over just the files we needed.
[20:23] <ChrisWoollard_> When do you think you can have the funkiness removed?
[20:24] <godbyk> But I'll have to check my notes to be sure.
[20:24] <godbyk> I'll try to take a look at it today.
[20:24] <jenkins> can we not delete the screenshots and the .bzr file?
[20:24] <godbyk> Unless someone else wants to handle it.
[20:24] <godbyk> jenkins: I don't think so because launchpad still has all that history.
[20:24] <godbyk> I think we have to kill the branch entirely and then copy over the files themselves (i.e., not create a branch from e2).
[20:25] <jenkins> well if i delete the branch and use lucid-e2 but set up a new branch with it will that work?
[20:25] <ChrisWoollard_> Like a fresh copy
[20:25] <godbyk> jenkins: that'll pull in the lucid-e2 history and we don't really care about that.
[20:25] <godbyk> we just want the files themselves.
[20:26] <godbyk> basically, we want maverick to be a completely fresh start.
[20:26] <jenkins> well i would delete the .bzr stuff
[20:26] <godbyk> we'll never revert to an older e2 revision.
[20:26] <godbyk> I'm not following with the .bzr stuff.
[20:26] <godbyk> if you delete the .bzr stuff locally, the history will still exist on launchpad and still take up space, right?
[20:26] <ChrisWoollard_> I have to go to the supermarket now. I look forward to seeing it when i get back ;)
[20:26] <godbyk> brb
[20:27] <jenkins> well there is a .bzr folder which I assume contains all the history if I also delete the mavrick branch in launchpad and recreate it will that work?
[20:27] <ChrisWoollard_> Also, have we got an agenda for the meeting on Sunday yet?
[20:29] <jenkins> not as far as i know
[20:31] <jenkins> ok well we can't delete mavrick as there is one branch that shares revisions, what does that mean?
[20:31] <godbyk> back
[20:31] <jenkins> well I know what it means but what do we do?
[20:32] <godbyk> jenkins: hmm.. good question.
[20:32] <godbyk> maybe ask the #launchpad guys what's best?
[20:32] <godbyk> what we're trying to do is get a fresh start on the branch and jettison all the history/older revisions.
[20:33] <jenkins> I will give them a shout
[20:34] <godbyk> thanks
[21:40] <jenkins> godbyk ping
[21:48] <jenkins> godbyk I raised the issue in #launchpad and did not get much of an answer lifeless said (20:49:24) lifeless: jenkins: thats a pretty harmful thing to do
[21:48] <jenkins> (20:49:33) lifeless: jenkins: you'll make it hard for everyone collaborating on it. I did reply and I have asked people to direct any other answers to you as I need to get some sleep
[21:49] <godbyk> jenkins: How does it make it hard?
[21:49] <jenkins> ok I can't ask them as you are not in the channel
[21:49] <godbyk> what?
[21:50] <jenkins> well everyone has to re start the branch as thy will diverge
[21:51] <jenkins> I ment you are not in #launchpad
[22:25] <ChrisWoollard_> godbyk: ping
[22:25] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard_: pong
[22:25] <ChrisWoollard_> I have noticed that in the maverick branch there is a directory called Planet Stuff
[22:26] <ChrisWoollard_> That isn't in e2
[22:26] <ChrisWoollard_> it isn't very big though
[22:26] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard_: Yeah, I was just talking to jenkins about all that.
[22:27] <godbyk> We should really delete the branch, make a new one, and copy over only the files we need.  (So we don't drag in all the history we don't care about.)
[22:27] <godbyk> But then jenkins said one of the #launchpad guys said that was a bad idea for some reason.
[22:27] <ChrisWoollard_> I saw that the #launchpad people scared Jenkins though
[22:27] <jenkins> well everyone has to re start the branch as thy will diverge
[22:27] <jenkins> they did not scare me :P
[22:28] <jenkins> i scared them as they did not answer back :D
[22:28] <ChrisWoollard_> Sorry, That was just my interpretation
[22:28] <jenkins> hehe lol np
[22:28] <ChrisWoollard_> I thought you were going to bed
[22:29] <ChrisWoollard_> to me it looks like the .bzr directory is huge in the maverick branch but not e2
[22:29] <godbyk> did I put the files in the maverick branch? where did they come from?
[22:30] <jenkins> I put all the lucid-e2 stuff in yesterday
[22:30] <jenkins> just revert the revision if need be, night all
[22:30] <godbyk> how?
[22:30] <ChrisWoollard_> 118mb compared with 14mb
[22:30] <godbyk> well, reverting it still leaves the history though, right?
[22:31] <ChrisWoollard_> he ran away....
[23:46] <askhl_> Hi.  The strings in lucid e1 are changing - our translation rate has dropped considerably.  What's going on?
[23:59] <godbyk> askhl_: I don't know why the strings would be changing.  The translation template file (.pot file) hasn't been changed recently.