[01:23] <ScottK> micahg: Package rename would definitely need FFe since it needs to go through New.
[03:26] <micahg> ScottK: thanks, do you think it's worth it since it actually should've been done before?
[04:05] <ajmitch> jcastro: nice dinosaur :)
[04:13] <nigelb> heh :)
[04:14]  * ajmitch awaits the dinosaur vs bird argument
[04:15] <nigelb> evolution
[04:15] <nigelb> It was a mix of dinosaur vs bird.
[04:15] <nigelb> shoulda gotten a raptor though.
[04:15] <nigelb> More fierceful :p
[04:15] <ajmitch> maybe he'll get that on the other arm
[04:16] <nigelb> hahah
[04:16] <ajmitch> of course he had to be all metal & get the photos with the metallica shirt on :)
[04:16] <jcastro> there is no dino/bird argument!
[04:16] <ajmitch> and there he is!
[04:16] <ajmitch> hey :)
[04:17] <jcastro> hi aj
[04:18] <ajmitch> jcastro: so what are you getting for the other arm? a raptor as nigelb suggests?
[04:19] <jcastro> I have a snake there already
[04:19] <nigelb> ajmitch: that is not about being metal.
[04:20] <nigelb> ajmitch: its about keeping the job :p (you know, under jono)
[04:20] <ajmitch> of course
[04:20] <ajmitch> but jcastro was like that long before he became one of the horsemen :)
[04:20] <jcastro> yeah!
[04:20] <nigelb> (already courrupted :p)
[04:21]  * ajmitch recalls the fun of uds in mt view
[04:21] <nigelb> The one at google?
[04:21] <ajmitch> yes
[04:21] <nigelb> I've only seen pictures :(
[04:22] <nigelb> jcastro: do you by chance have a python there? ;)
[04:22] <ajmitch> of course the main reason I use ubuntu one is to have somewhere to buy the latest iron maiden album :)
[04:22] <nigelb> hahaha
[04:22] <jcastro> ajmitch: hah that's how I got it
[04:24] <ajmitch> it worked well until it stalled on downloading the last track
[04:24]  * nigelb wishes he could buy stuff from ubuntu one
[04:25] <nigelb> The ones I like aren't available for my region.  Sigh.
[04:25] <ajmitch> I do have to use some hacks to get rhythmbox to use an ssh tunnel as a SOCKS proxy in order to get music in the US region
[04:25] <ajmitch> it's not nice
[04:26] <nigelb> Oh. See.  Lots of sales lost :(
[04:26] <ajmitch> yes, the regional restrictions on it are the single most annoying thing about the music store
[04:28] <nigelb> Buts not Ubuntu One's blame per se.
[04:28] <nigelb> Music Industry operational methods.
[04:29] <ajmitch> no, but it's still annoying enough
[04:29] <nigelb> Yeah :/
[04:35] <ajmitch> it feels like it's about time to work through http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/maverick/
[04:44] <ScottK> micahg: Might as well get it overwith.
[04:45] <micahg> ScottK: thanks :)
[04:50] <ScottK> ajmitch: Would you be up for making cyrus-sasl2-heimdal build?
[04:50] <ajmitch> I can try, what's wrong with it?
[04:51] <ScottK> sample-server.c:69: error: conflicting types for 'getsubopt'
[04:51] <ScottK> /usr/include/stdlib.h:896: note: previous declaration of 'getsubopt' was here
[04:51] <ScottK> It needs a rebuild for NBS and it won't ....
[04:52] <ScottK> It would need a rebuild anyway to match the cyrus-sasl2 version.
[04:52] <ScottK> It's the last package left for the Heimdal transition.
[04:52] <ajmitch> fetching it now
[04:53] <ScottK> Thanks.
[05:02] <ajmitch> ScottK: it at least looks like cyrus-sasl2 had the exact same error fixed last month
[05:02] <ScottK> ajmitch: Sounds both convenient and plausible.
[05:02] <ajmitch> effectively the same source?
[05:03] <ScottK> Yes, just built against Heimdal instead of Kerberos or something.
[05:03] <ScottK> There's a Debian bug suggesting they can be merged now.
[05:03] <ScottK> It wasn't clear on exactly how though, so I'm pretty sure we should wait on going that far.
[05:03]  * ajmitch tracks down what the change was from bug 600180
[05:04] <ajmitch> someone needs to ship me a faster piece of string
[05:05] <ScottK> You need to live somewhere with more bandwidth than a soda straw.
[05:06] <ajmitch> but we have hobbits here!
[05:09] <ajmitch> so much for trying to grab branches of cyrus-sasl2
[05:09] <ajmitch> the idea of UDD is nice & all, but it's often just not there
[05:12] <ScottK> Yep.
[05:16] <ajmitch> ok, changes from cyrus-sasl2 applied fine, just waiting for pbuilder now
[05:17] <ScottK> Cool.
[05:18]  * ScottK didn't think to look there.
[05:23] <ajmitch> here is where I need an SSD for compiling
[05:25] <micahg> ScottK: I think you misread teh changelog as did I, there's no new package for google gadgets, just the .docs file was mislabeled
[05:39] <ajmitch> ScottK: you wouldn't happen to know if this can be tested beyond installing it? :)
[06:08] <LucidFox> I wonder...
[06:09] <LucidFox> what is it about Java specifically that makes its frameworks so insanely prone to overengineering?
[06:54] <frogzoo1> any ideas why OpenProj isn't in the repos?
[06:57] <micahg> frogzoo1: no one's packaged it?
[06:57] <frogzoo> there's a .deb on their site so yes/no
[06:57] <micahg> frogzoo: debian 548399
[06:58] <micahg> frogzoo: well, there's a process to get things into Ubuntu (usually through Debian) and certain standards must be met
[06:58] <frogzoo> thanks for that
[06:58] <micahg> frogzoo: you can pick up the RFP in Debian if you want
[06:59] <frogzoo> much as I'd like schedule doesn't permit - maybe in a few weeks
[06:59] <micahg> frogzoo: oh, it was attempted, see debian 442032
[07:01] <frogzoo> does look pretty user friendly - much more so than TaskJuggler & lets nubs point/click their way to gantt charts - something that really needs to get into the repos, but as I say, I'm booked next 3 weeks
[07:01] <micahg> frogzoo: I don't think anyone's rushing to do it, so don't worry
[07:02] <frogzoo> what me worry ;)
[07:43] <Rhonda> Ist Stefan Potyra doing irc?
[07:44] <micahg> Rhonda: seems he was on 13:30 - 16:30 UTC today
[07:45] <Rhonda> With what nick?
[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[07:45] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[07:45] <Rhonda> And today we didn't have 13:30 - 16:30 UTC yet. :P
[07:45] <dholbach> hola ajmitch
[07:45] <ajmitch> Rhonda: he's sistpoty
[07:45] <Rhonda> Thanks. :)
[07:46] <ajmitch> what's he in trouble about now? ;)
[07:46] <Rhonda> Stalking my git commits of wesnoth :)
[07:46] <ajmitch> haha
[07:48] <micahg> Rhonda: sorry haven't gone to bed for the night yet
[07:48] <Rhonda> timezones suck ;)
[07:48]  * ajmitch agrees
[07:48]  * nigelb too
[07:49] <micahg> you're all ahead of me ;)
[07:49]  * ajmitch is ahead of nearly everyone
[07:49] <nigelb> haha
[07:50] <ajmitch> UTC+12 isn't the most convenient timezone, it's often hard to catch people in europe
[07:50] <Rhonda> Get up early, they won't be in bed by then usually. ;)
[07:51] <Rhonda> Actually for +12 I wouldn't think you need to get up _that_ early anyway to catch us?
[07:51] <ajmitch> no it usually means staying up later :)
[08:04] <Rhonda> Hmm.
[08:05] <Rhonda> ajmitch: Actually I might be able to hack my way into packages.ubuntu. But then, that would be abuse and definitely not be received well. :)
[08:06] <ajmitch> haha
[08:06] <ajmitch> that might get elmo knocking on your door in the middle of the night :)
[08:09] <mok0> Hmm, what does the "." mean in this line:
[08:09] <mok0> drwxr-xr-x. 7 mok  mok   4096 2007-12-21 15:55 src
[08:09] <mok0> (the one after drwxr-xr-x)
[08:16] <mok0> Ah, it indicates a file with an SELinux security context
[08:16] <mok0> Thansk
[08:17] <mok0> :-)
[08:23] <and471> if there is a file in the debian dir that I need to edit, do I create a patch using the package's patch system, or just edit the file directly?
[08:24] <Rhonda> You edit the file directly.
[08:24] <Rhonda> patches are for changes to the upstream source.
[08:24] <and471> Rhonda, thanks
[08:31] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: disconnect, reconnect, disconnect, reconnect!
[08:32] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: if you are free, could you please see bug #414107 ?
[08:32] <bilalakhtar> it requires an SRU as well, so would need an upload to lucid-proposed
[08:32] <dholbach> bilalakhtar, it happened to me once
[08:33] <dholbach> bilalakhtar, is that patch accepted upstream?
[08:33] <dholbach> bilalakhtar, I'd prefer if a desktop person had a look at it
[08:33] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: nope, but forwarded from a long time
[08:33] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: BTW, meego accepted the patch
[08:33] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: we took the patch from there
[08:33] <dholbach> can you ping the folks on the upstream report again?
[08:33] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: np
[08:33] <dholbach> and ping seb128 or robert_ancell about it - they know who to get in touch with
[08:34] <dholbach> they can probably can talk to somebody on irc on gimpnet
[08:34] <bilalakhtar> dholbach: thanks!
[08:37] <vish> bilalakhtar: it has already been uploaded to -proposed and it has been tested
[08:37] <bilalakhtar> vish: I am not talking about the sbackup one
[08:37] <bilalakhtar> vish: its bug #414107
[08:37] <vish> bilalakhtar: doh!
[08:37] <vish> bilalakhtar: nvm ;)
[09:05] <and471> oops who broke the internets?
[12:09] <AnAnt> Hello
[14:03] <kirkland> there's an example package in the archive, maintained by joey hess, i think .... anyone know what it is off the top of their head?
[14:03] <ajmitch> hello?
[14:03] <ajmitch> or hello-debhelper
[14:03] <azeem> those are maintained by sanvila IIRC
[14:04] <ajmitch> right, what sort of example package are you looking for?
[14:04] <ajmitch> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=joeyh&comaint=yes doesn't list anything obvious as an example package
[14:10] <kirkland> ajmitch: perfect! thanks
[14:27] <ScottK> ajmitch: re testing: Not sure, but if you fixed it the same way cyrus-sasl was fixed, then I image it's reasonably safe.
[14:28] <ajmitch> ScottK: it installed, so I uploaded it
[14:28] <ScottK> ajmitch: Great.  Thanks.
[14:42] <sebner> huhu RainCT :)
[14:42] <RainCT> hey sebner
[15:44] <AnAnt> Hello
[16:49] <and471> if I am creating a branch that fixes a packaging bug, and then create a merge request, under which launchpad project should I create it?
[16:49] <and471> should it just be in +junk ?
[16:50] <geser> bzr push lp:~youraccount/ubuntu/maverick/$package/$branch-nick
[16:52] <and471> geser, thanks
[19:43] <canesin> Hi all.. I want to use an science package in an application I'm developing.. but the package in universe is years old... how can I take care if the package ?? Can I adopt it ??
[19:44] <micahg> canesin: you can certainly work to keep it updated, we don't have "maintainers" per se
[19:44] <micahg> canesin: I think there's a MOTU science team
[19:45] <canesin> micahg: =) .. so how can I do that ?? I already have an launchpad account...
[19:47] <micahg> canesin: https://edge.launchpad.net/~motuscience
[20:25] <iulian> canesin: I suggest you to join the Debian science team and talk to them regarding that package.
[20:25] <iulian> If the current maintainer is MIA and the package is really outdated, it would be great if you could adopt it.
[20:26] <canesin> iulian Debian science ?? Go rigth upstream you say ??
[20:27] <iulian> canesin: Upstream in this case is Debian.  Take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience.
[20:33] <canesin> iulian: Okey, but what I really would like it to have that package at ubuntu... I'm writing a new application that make use of it... and I believe most of the users will be ubuntu
[20:36] <canesin> iulian: wow !! The dabian package is even more older !!! The software is "paraview", the most recent one is 3.8.1 .. in ubuntu it is 3.4.0 and in debian it is 3.2.2 ..
[20:36] <iulian> canesin: I agree with you, but maybe the rest of them would be using Debian.
[20:38] <iulian> canesin: I see that 3.8.1 has just been uploaded to Debian a couple of weeks ago.
[20:39] <iulian> canesin: s/Debian/Debian unstable/
[20:39] <iulian> And it's currently in Squeeze as well.
[20:41] <canesin> yeah... I'm see it now
[20:41] <canesin> I was in lenny branch
[20:42] <iulian> canesin: Oh, we've got 3.4.0 in Maverick.
[20:42]  * iulian adds it to my todo list.
[20:43] <iulian> canesin: So yea, if you're interested in getting involved in maintaining paraview, please do consider joining the Debian Science team.  Help is always needed. :)
[20:44] <canesin> iulian: Okey.. how do I do that ?? If I help update it in Debian it will make in Ubuntu universe ??
[20:44] <canesin> I work at National Institute of Science and Technology in Thermophysics ...
[20:45] <canesin> Here most of us use ubuntu...
[20:48] <iulian> canesin: It seems that the Ubuntu package has local changes.  In this case the package needs to be merged with the one that Debian has.
[20:49] <iulian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[20:54] <canesin> iulian: sorry.. wireless is droping
[20:54] <iulian> canesin: No worries.
[20:55] <iulian> Got my last message or should I resent it?
[20:55] <iulian> t/resent/resend/
[20:55] <canesin> resend
[20:55] <iulian> canesin: It seems that the Ubuntu package has local changes.  In this case the package needs to be merged with the one that Debian has.
[20:55] <iulian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[23:02] <lfaraone> dyfet: so I can close bug 617026, right?
[23:03] <dyfet> yes I believe so
[23:25] <lfaraone> dyfet: okay, I'll do that then
[23:40] <canesin> Hi all, I have an updated .deb file of an package I want to update ( it is very old in ubuntu ) ...
[23:40] <canesin> I have it from debian-unstable and build from source
[23:40] <canesin> It is paraview ...
[23:41] <canesin> How can I update the package present in launchpad ?
[23:41] <canesin> Who should I email ?
[23:41] <micahg> canesin: you need to merge it
[23:41] <canesin> okey..
[23:41] <canesin> how do I do that ?
[23:41] <micahg> canesin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[23:47] <canesin> micahg: It will be up as soon I finish the merge ??
[23:48] <micahg> canesin: no, you propose the merge and a sponsor will review and either sponsor if everything's good or give you feedback on what needs to be done
[23:49] <RainCT> aren't we in FF already?
[23:49] <micahg> RainCT: oh yeah...
[23:49] <micahg> canesin: you need an FFe for the update :)
[23:49] <micahg> !ffe | canesin
[23:50] <canesin> O.o
[23:50]  * RainCT hopes canesin's head doesn't explode ;)
[23:50] <micahg> lol
[23:50] <canesin> I cannot update the package in lucid ?
[23:50] <micahg> canesin: backports once it's in maverick
[23:51] <micahg> !backports | canesin
[23:51]  * micahg will brb
[23:51] <canesin> lol .. is more complicated than I have imagined
[23:56] <RainCT> canesin: Well, all those different policies can be a bit overwhelming at first, but it's not that complicated once you know how it works.
[23:57] <RainCT> canesin: Basically you need to get the package into the current development release (Maverick) first, and when it's there you can ask for a backport to Lucid (which means it'll get copied into the "proposed" archive, wait for some people to test it and then it can get into "lucid-backports").