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Takyoji*cough hint cough* http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=15319013136174004:06
TakyojiAnyone know of a decent subtitle format that isn't patent-encumbered or anything stupid?04:20
tonyyarussoalt="Some text here"04:22
TakyojiI'm talking about for video. :P04:40
TakyojiI suppose WebSRT is the only suitable thing for my case.04:45
TakyojiRandom thought: wouldn't it be convenient if the window manager had like a "snap to grid" concept with resizing windows?22:02
Takyojimoving/resizing*22:03
TakyojiI remember some Windows Server elitist that said command line is only for the nostalgic. xP22:09
Takyojiof some overweight representative of a local company in Faribault, whom had issues trying to start up the desktop he did the presentation on, at a 'career exploration' day thing.22:10
Obsidian1723how does his being overweight relate to his closed-mindedness?22:12
Takyojiwhom implied if you ever want to get into technology, people will only care about Microsoft certifications (and I'm not exaggerating)22:12
TakyojiWell, alright, that was off-topic22:12
Obsidian1723and that was rather judmental too.22:12
Obsidian1723You can't complain of closed-minds if you yourself haveo ne as well.22:12
kermitit totally relates, both are evidence of a long list of cognative biases, of which was the point.22:27
Obsidian1723No, it doesn't.22:28
Obsidian1723Weight has zero to do with closed-mindedness.22:29
TakyojiAgain, I had no intent of mocking those with obesity.22:29
TakyojiBy the way, do those whom sell Windows licenses typically get it cheaper, to have markup, to have it equate the common price?22:31
Obsidian1723A fair comparisson would be to say that the guy was judgemental in support of MS/Windows, ruling out other solutions; and Takyoji was judgmental towards overweight people. Not trying to start shyte, just saying kermit, if you are going to compare, do like vs like, that's all.22:31
Takyoji(random curiosity)22:31
Obsidian1723Anyway........... moving onward.22:31
Obsidian1723Tak, OEMs get it cheaper I know..22:32
Obsidian1723but do you mean does the average Best buy employee get a discount? no.22:32
Obsidian1723That's why there are VLKs, those also get a discount too.22:32
TakyojiI'm just curious as to why typical retailers of hardware avoiding Linux and cling to selling Microsoft-based platforms, even when the use case is as simple as a webserver that'll be seldom touched.22:33
Takyojiand wondering if it's based upon profit from selling Windows-based equipment22:34
TakyojiSpecifically servers.22:34
Obsidian1723nah22:35
TakyojiThere's a church ministry that has a static website that's hosted on IIS which also has Exchange.22:35
Obsidian1723old Bill hanings had OEM licensing since the begin22:35
TakyojiNobody ever interacts with the actual server and just work via FTP22:35
kermitTakyoji: its becuase of about 15% of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases22:35
kermitTakyoji: and, as you correctly identified, are also substantialy the set of biases that relate to obescity22:35
TakyojiWhich kills really the point of a Windows Server; considering to my understanding people favor such due to the straightforward GUI for configuring IIS22:35
kermithmm more like 50% of that list22:36
Obsidian1723In 75, when MS started, and shortly thereafter, Bill and MS bought QDOS, Quick and Dorty Operating System. They they converted it into MS-DOS, or Micro-Soft Disk Operating System, then did the OEM licensing with vendors at the time to secure their place as the OS provider as the de facto standard.22:36
Obsidian1723Dirty..correcting my typo22:37
Takyojibut if they're just poking at it via FTP, and paying the vendor that gave them the physical server a load of money for "maintaining" the server, whereas the details of what's "maintained" is undisclosed..22:38
TakyojiQDOS was their attempt at an OS, then they bought DOS from some random person and rebranded it as MS-DOS, right?22:38
Takyoji(just never heard of QDOS before)22:38
Obsidian1723No, they bought QDOS, added to it and re-branded it as MS-DOS after some cloding and cleanup work on it.22:42
Obsidian1723The future in software as far as licensing goes is SAaS.22:43
TakyojiAnyway, other point being, I find it awkward that they say it's "what the customer wants" even though many never really exclusively requested such, and also as to why there's so much "maintenance and servicing" they get paid for each server.22:43
Takyojieven when the case is as simple as a webserver22:44
Obsidian1723yeah22:44
TakyojiI don't mind if someone wants Windows, that's fine. But it seems like force-feeding when not specifically implied considering they seem to have a lot of overhead costs associated.22:46
Takyojiand I shall be leaving to go to the Steele County Fair22:47
Obsidian1723cools. have fun.22:47

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