[11:08]  * abogani waves
[11:09] <jussi> hello abogani!!!
[11:09] <abogani> jussi, Hi Jussi!
[11:09] <abogani> Anyone could remove all references to -rt from Studio's seeds, please?
[14:19] <scott-work> abogani: you really want all reference to -rt kernel removed from the seeds?
[14:19] <scott-work> *sigh*
[14:19] <scott-work> i've been meaning to update the seeds for some time now
[14:19] <scott-work> and i just haven't gotten to it...now things are stacking up :(
[14:21] <abogani> scott-work: Yeah. I don;t have choice I'm ignored at all from UKT so they don't neither upload the old -rt  kernel nor upload the -realtime one. Also -lowlatency (which was the old -preempt and was created and supported by that team) is totally since March.
[14:22] <abogani> So what can I propose to different?
[14:23] <abogani> Without upload right the only thing that I can do without depends from others is give up.
[14:46] <scott-work> hmmm, i don't know abogani, i don't have a good understanding of the UKT and howit works, or quite frankly a lot of the politics involved around the kernel
[15:11] <falktx> scott-work: hi
[15:11] <falktx> scott-work: is ubuntustudio interested on a wine-rt patch ?
[15:11] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56&Itemid=12
[15:12] <scott-work> i'm not sure falktx, abogani was actually talking about removing the -rt kernel from ubuntustudio-seeds
[15:12] <falktx> scott-work: this one is different... you should read that page, I'm not the best guy to explain it...
[15:13] <scott-work> falktx: which programs used in ubuntu studio would need both wine and -rt functionality?
[15:14] <falktx> scott-work: any wine applications
[15:14] <falktx> scott-work: also dssi-vst, fst/festige or similar
[15:14] <scott-work> falktx: while i wouldn't say that any wine application might need -rt i could see dssi-vst and fst/festige needed it :)
[15:17] <falktx> it's not about the rt-kernel, just making wine apps getting higher priorities
[15:31] <scott-work> oh, and less dropped audio then, cool
[15:32] <falktx> eheh, someone finished reading...
[16:33] <holstein> what is going on with linux-rt?
[16:34] <falktx> holstein: will be removed from US afaik
[16:39] <holstein> scott-work abogani jussi 
[16:39] <holstein> can we wait on that -rt removal
[16:40] <holstein> theres a couple UKT guys local to me
[16:40] <holstein> one of them is im my LUG
[16:40] <holstein> maybe i can help make some communication happen between them and abogani ??
[16:40] <scott-work> holstein: that would absolutely rock!
[16:43] <holstein> couple days...
[16:43] <holstein> i'll get back to you scott-work when i hear from one of them
[17:02] <holstein> scott-work: this is JFo 
[17:02] <JFo> o/
[17:02] <JFo> :)
[17:02] <scott-work> hi JFo  :)
[17:02] <JFo> hi scott-work 
[17:02] <JFo> how are things?
[17:03] <scott-work> doing okay...can i ask a few questions about the -rt kernel, i'm pretty ignorant about the UKT and how things are messing
[17:03] <JFo> certainly
[17:03] <scott-work> i guess first i should ask about the -lowlatency and -preempt kernels...i've heard rumours that they might be included in the main, any thruth?
[17:03] <JFo> the -rt kernel is community sponsored, but I'll answer what I know :)
[17:04] <JFo> scott-work, I can find out about that
[17:04] <JFo> one sec...
[17:05] <JFo> let me see if I can catch the ear of one of the engineers
[17:05] <scott-work> certainly, i'm working with one eye anyways :)
[17:05] <JFo> :)
[17:06] <JFo> abogani, have you heard anything about them while I'm asking?
[17:07] <falktx> scott-work: do you really want to remove rt kernel from ubuntustudio?
[17:07] <JFo> they are usually deep in code, so it may be a minute before they see my request :)
[17:07] <JFo> so 'preempt is an official flavour for Lucid, not for Maverick' I am told
[17:08] <scott-work> falktx: ideally, no.  some users will greatly benefit by having the -rt kernel
[17:08] <scott-work> JFo:  :(
[17:08] <falktx> have to go
[17:08] <scott-work> was an rationale offered?  (not trying to sound rude)
[17:08] <scott-work> falktx: see ya
[17:09] <JFo> and I am told there is nothing for -lowlatency in Lucid or Maverick
[17:09] <JFo> scott-work, I can ask about that
[17:09] <JFo> it is no problem :)
[17:10] <scott-work> JFo: sorry i'm distracted, i have people coming to my desk and asking questions as work
[17:11] <JFo> scott-work, <tgardner> the -rt guys are providing a kernel AFAIK, so it was duplicated functionality.
[17:11] <JFo> no problem
[17:11] <JFo> we can discuss later if you like
[17:11] <scott-work> JFo: i would like to explain my concern about the kernels
[17:11] <JFo> I am all ears
[17:11] <scott-work> we can certainly create any flavour we like and host it in ppa but the precludes us from it being installed by default
[17:11] <JFo> right
[17:12] <JFo> I understand your concern there
[17:12] <scott-work> we have several types of users who either don't understand ppa's, are unwares of them, or simply choose to not use them
[17:12] <scott-work> so we lose the functionality for those users
[17:12] <scott-work> i understand as well that we multiply the work for the UKT by having soo many flavours for such a niche group of users though
[17:13] <scott-work> i was hoping we can find some compromise that would allow us to provide fucntionality to our users without appreciably increasing the workload on UKT
[17:14] <scott-work> JFo: i'm not sure i understand your quote about providing the -rt kernel but duplicated functionality
[17:16] <JFo> sorry, I'm in a meeting so my attention is divided as well
[17:16] <JFo> let me read back a bit
[17:16] <JFo> :)
[17:17] <JFo> I completely understand your comment about PPA;s
[17:17] <JFo> I'm working on something around that myself now
[17:18] <JFo> I think that there is a movement toward the -rt, but I have not pushed into it myself
[17:18] <JFo> I'm not sure why they decided not to have a preempt or lowlatency kernel
[17:18] <JFo> but I think they are under the impression that the -rt met those needs
[17:19] <JFo> is that not true
[17:19] <JFo> or is there an issue in the -rt kernel in this case
[17:20] <scott-work> i hope other's will chime in as well (for my experience is more with -generic and -rt) but i  ** think ** the -rt will provide what the other two do not, with one caveat
[17:20] <JFo> ok
[17:20] <scott-work> laptop users will find that possible the -generic isn't enough but that the -rt might each up too much battery
[17:21] <scott-work> but please don't misunderstand me, getting the -rt kernel supported would be an incredibly awesome milestone
[17:21] <scott-work> not to sound to jono-ish, that would absolutely rock!
[17:21] <scott-work> ;)
[17:23] <JFo> heh
[17:27] <scott-work> JFo:  does this mean we might see the -rt kernel available for maverick?  or possibly natty?
[17:27] <JFo> unfortunately I can't answer that
[17:27] <JFo> I believe abogani is doing the -rt kernel
[17:27] <JFo> but I could be mistaken
[17:28] <JFo> I do know that it is a community effort
[17:28] <JFo> so I don't have much in the way of detail
[17:28] <JFo> :-/
[17:28] <JFo> but there again, it is something I can bring up with the team
[17:29] <JFo> both so that I can get some detail for myself and so that I can see why we aren't doing it ourselves
[17:29] <scott-work> abogani: are you around?
[17:29] <scott-work> JFo: that would be really appreciated!  sometimes it is hard to find the right channels to get accurate information
[17:30] <JFo> I understand
[17:30] <JFo> but you can freely ask me or anyone else on the team in #ubuntu-kernel
[17:30] <scott-work> JFo: i was under the impression that the kernel team wasn't interested in abogani 's -rt kernel , but perhaps i misunderstood his position
[17:30] <JFo> I'm in there all the time :)
[17:30] <JFo> scott-work, that isn't my impression
[17:31] <JFo> but I'd love to talk to him about that
[17:31] <JFo> and see what isn't getting done for him
[17:31] <scott-work> i might join #ubuntu-kernel this afternoon when i have more time :)
[17:31] <scott-work> i hope your impression is right ;)
[17:31] <JFo> sounds good :)
[17:32] <JFo> there could always be some miscommunication too
[17:32] <JFo> all of us have our tons of work :)
[17:33] <JFo> one thing to consider is that all of these guys are deep in the code, so it may take some time to get to you and your question should you ask one :)
[17:33] <scott-work> very, very true.... JFo thank you for your time and consideration, it really helps :)
[17:33] <JFo> it took them a minute to answer me and they work with me :-)
[17:33] <scott-work> oh, no problem in that, i understand
[17:33] <JFo> scott-work, I'm always happy to chat
[17:34] <JFo> any time you like
[17:35] <JFo> I'll add this to my channel list so you guys can ping me with questions too. I'll answer any I can
[17:36] <scott-work> sweet, thanks
[17:42] <JFo> my pleasure
[17:42] <JFo> and I am serious about being available for your questions. you can send me e-mail to jeremy@ubuntu.com if I'm not online
[17:43] <JFo> I'll do my best to get the information you are asking for and get back to you
[17:43] <JFo> if you find that useful
[17:52] <scott-work> wow, that is very, very gratious of you!  and really appreciated, thank you very much
[18:03] <JFo> it's no problem :)
[19:21] <astraljava> Anyone else have trouble with cdimage.u.c ?
[19:22] <holstein> astraljava: i'll confirm something if you need
[19:24] <astraljava> holstein: Downloading is clipping real bad. Halts for minutes, then slowly gains bandwidth, then grinds to a halt again.
[19:25] <astraljava> Might be my connection though, 3G is a joke.
[19:25] <holstein> yeah
[19:25]  * holstein just complaining about verizon in another channel ;)
[19:26] <holstein> astraljava: shoot me a link if you want, and i'll check it out for you
[19:28] <astraljava> holstein: Thanks, but I'm fairly confident it's my end.
[23:21] <TheMuso> 6eeee1y/c