[00:00] <loaded> elix1on: not to mention different CNC´s, plotters etc etc
[00:00] <loaded> elix1on: thats why they use Linux
[00:00] <elix1on> loaded: well i've found inkscape to replace illustrator, gimp for PS, and Scribus for indesign, they all look good. I'm not using Rhino too much and ain't that good at it, so Blender should be fine to learn. AutoCAD is the one I use a lot, and that's probably the most important one, but I can always run it under a VM
[00:00] <loaded> elix1on: flexible, reliable tweakable etc etc
[00:01] <loaded> elix1on: Autocad runs with platinum under wine if im not mistaken
[00:01] <loaded> elix1on: since the inputs i had on qcad aint that good
[00:02] <elix1on> loaded: i only find the old ones from like -03 -04 having Gold, the new ones are Garbage apparently :(
[00:04] <elix1on> loaded: but tbh, sincie i got vmware fusion i hardly boot in XP when I use autocad, so i might just as well VM it under Linux anyway, won't make a difference i suppose. VirtualBox is supposed to be good i've read
[00:05] <loaded> elix1on: yeah i checked latest versions suck under wine
[00:05] <loaded> elix1on: thats an option
[00:06] <elix1on> loaded: and if i can panic using the linux alternatives gimp etc i can run everything under Win 7 or something, been running what i can under os x just because there are mac versions of them.
[00:07] <elix1on> loaded: will leave me with booting a single linux distro and VM the rest, a bit easier than now. and Studio had so many extra nice apps for image editing and colors etc
[00:07] <loaded> elix1on: well my  sugestion would be for you to start using the Linux versions along with Win Apps until u feel confortable with the*unix ones
[00:07] <loaded> elix1on: or the mac ones
[00:08] <elix1on> loaded: yeah i won't be able to make a complete sudden change, will take me some time to get used to the change, but oh how much better it will be once i'm used to it!
[00:08] <loaded> elix1on: thats what im doing with audio Apps...instead of a total rupture im doing a slow transition
[00:09] <loaded> elix1on: cause its been a steap learning curve (for me anyway)
[00:12] <elix1on> loaded: how tricky is it to install the RT kernel for a beginner like me? will i be crying at night over it?
[00:12] <elix1on> and i'm not really sure what a real-time kernel is, i don't understand the whole thing with giving immediate CPU without delay etc.
[00:14] <loaded> elix1on: u can install RT from synaptic
[00:15] <elix1on> loaded: oh well, in that case it should be find :)
[00:15] <elix1on> fine*
[00:15] <loaded> elix1on: about the advantages u can read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_operating_system
[00:17] <elix1on> so how come not every OS has a RT kernel then? does a RT kernel has its disadvantages too?
[00:18] <loaded> elix1on: good question i think it has to do with memory allocation control or something..but im not the person to answer that
[00:20] <loaded> elix1on: let me ask
[00:21] <loaded> elix1on: join #rakarrack
[00:21] <elix1on> ok will do
[00:31] <elix1on> loaded: ok i won't really need the RT kernel, or i wonät need it at all actually, saves me some time i guess
[00:34] <loaded> elix1on: yes ..  still doesnt make sense cause it comes pre packed with lots of graph Apps
[00:35] <elix1on> yeah but the RT kernel isn't default anymore though?
[00:37] <loaded> elix1on: it is but since 2.6.28 it has had some issues
[00:37] <loaded> elix1on: thats why i told u to check for packages and dependencies
[00:38] <elix1on> loaded: now i remember, wasn't sure what you meant by that really?
[00:38] <elix1on> (sry)
[00:38] <loaded> elix1on: spend this afternoon with halborn runing around about that same issue trying to solve some audio related App issues
[00:39] <loaded> elix1on: had to edit some conf files for some Apps run correctly etc etc
[00:39] <loaded> elix1on: thats what i meant by having to tweak ur system
[00:40] <loaded> elix1on: the guys u just met usually know the how tos to solve that type of probs xD
[00:41] <elix1on> loaded: so it would perhaps be easier for me using the regular lucid lynx and adding all the graphics things i need, even though there was a lot of thingd added in studio?
[00:42] <loaded> elix1on: another channel u should join imo is #opensourcemusicians (dont let the name missdirect you)
[00:42] <elix1on> i mean, i dunno how to tweak everything, probably not even with help :P
[00:42] <elix1on> okay, thanks, will join
[00:42] <loaded> elix1on: exactly ... just look 4 what u want under synaptic
[00:43] <loaded> elix1on: most of the folks that ive came across in here are really nice and allways willing to help out
[00:43] <loaded> elix1on: and so far they know their grounds
[00:44] <loaded> elix1on: u can also join the channels that are really aimmed to ur work #blender #gimp etc etc
[00:45] <elix1on> loaded: are they all in the freenode.irc?
[00:45] <elix1on> will google them otherwise
[00:45] <loaded> elix1on: yes dude just it search there are 2 least one per App
[00:46] <elix1on> loaded: thanks a lot for everything. unfortunately i need to sleep now, it's the middle of the night where i am
[00:46] <elix1on> really appreciate the help :)
[00:46] <loaded> elix1on: on u go dude
[00:46] <loaded> elix1on: hope i helped you
[00:47] <elix1on> loaded: yes defo, thanks
[00:47] <elix1on> later!
[00:47] <loaded> elix1on: cya xD
[22:33] <plotino> hi
[22:33] <plotino> i have problem starting jack server in ubuntu studio
[22:33] <holstein> hey plotino
[22:33] <plotino> my card is SB Live 5+1
[22:34] <plotino> hi holstein
[22:34] <holstein> i forget
[22:34] <plotino> very strange
[22:34] <holstein> did you say you have another card you were going to try?
[22:34] <plotino> yesterday it worked
[22:34] <holstein> tertle beach?
[22:34] <holstein> plotino: hmmm
[22:34] <plotino> nad today not again!!!!
[22:34] <plotino> and
[22:34] <holstein> plotino: are you sure your booting in to the same kernel
[22:34] <holstein> ?
[22:34] <plotino> yes
[22:35] <holstein> are you sure the hardware is not broken?
[22:35] <holstein> could be a bad card
[22:36] <plotino> hardware broken??
[22:36] <plotino> no dont think so
[22:36] <plotino> the only difference between today and yesterday
[22:37] <plotino> is that today before to start jack
[22:37] <plotino> i have use audio of flash plugin
[22:37] <plotino> with pulseaudio
[22:37] <plotino> and after that i have tried to start jack getting the usual error
[22:37] <holstein> hmmm
[22:37] <plotino> Could not connect to JACK server as client.
[22:37] <plotino> - Overall operation failed.
[22:37] <plotino> - Unable to connect to server.
[22:37] <plotino> Please check the messages window for more info
[22:38] <holstein> pulse should suspend
[22:38] <plotino> ok but not manually isnt it?
[22:38] <holstein> nah
[22:38] <holstein> its audo
[22:38] <holstein> auto*
[22:38] <holstein> plotino: get you one of these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/422094-REG/Behringer_UCA202_UCA202_USB_Audio_Interface.html
[22:38] <plotino> in the message window does not seem to be suspended
[22:38] <holstein> plotino: you not what is great about those SBlive cards?
[22:38] <holstein> nothing ;)
[22:39] <plotino> holstein, i know
[22:39] <plotino> but
[22:39] <holstein> its just not worth the trouble
[22:39] <plotino> this is what i have
[22:39] <plotino> i like to use my old hw
[22:39] <holstein> yeah
[22:39] <holstein> me too
[22:39] <holstein> but if you want a clean input
[22:39] <holstein> that is the way to go
[22:39] <plotino> no new brand (i dont like global/consumistic society ;) )
[22:39] <holstein> best case scenario
[22:40] <plotino> im interested having my card working
[22:40] <holstein> and that card is working properly
[22:40] <holstein> you still dont have a really great input
[22:40] <plotino> :-|
[22:40] <plotino> can i post the messeges or it's not relevant to discover the issue?
[22:40] <holstein> :/
[22:40] <holstein> plotino: please do
[22:41] <holstein> plotino: feel free to post that to the email lists too
[22:41] <holstein> those seem to be more active
[22:41] <holstein> with tech related questions