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| poolie | hi all | 00:57 |
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| spiv | Good morning. | 01:11 |
| poolie | hi there spiv | 01:57 |
| poolie | spiv does https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/620684 suggest anything obvious to you? | 02:47 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 620684 in Bazaar "ERROR file id "None" is not present in the tree when checking the root entry (affected: 1, heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 02:47 |
| spiv | poolie: huh, no. Strange upgrade, maybe? | 02:50 |
| * poolie is writing up a mail of annoyances in ppa updates | 03:41 | |
| mwhudson | did i just dream that there was a bzr init --standalone option? | 04:05 |
| fullermd | mwhudson: There's a *branch* --standalone. Maybe that's what you're dreaming of? | 04:28 |
| mwhudson | fullermd: ah, probably | 04:28 |
| fullermd | Me, I'll stick with dreaming of Cindy Crawford, but... | 04:28 |
| poolie | GaryvdM: hi, can you tell me which branches you used for your bzr-gtk packages | 07:19 |
| poolie | nm | 07:24 |
| vila | hi all ! | 08:04 |
| fullermd | Wassat? Morning again already?? | 08:05 |
| vila | fullermd: yeah, and end of vacations too, wake up NOW :) | 08:05 |
| fullermd | Vacations? Heck, I don't even REMEMBER what those are... | 08:06 |
| vila | fullermd: You really should, there are nice places around the world you really should visit while you still can ;) | 08:06 |
| fullermd | That would require leaving home. To say nothing of putting on pants. | 08:06 |
| fullermd | Well. I guess the REALLY nice places don't need the pants... | 08:06 |
| vila | fullermd: yup, including the under water world... | 08:07 |
| poolie | hi vila | 08:08 |
| vila | poolie: heya ! | 08:08 |
| poolie | i'm going to change tack on the ppa and try to get everything just at least working on maverick | 08:09 |
| vila | poolie: what isn't working so far ? | 08:10 |
| poolie | a bunch of litle annoyances | 08:10 |
| poolie | one being that in the debian bzr packaging, they've cut out python-configobj | 08:10 |
| poolie | because of a sensible policy that packages should not ship their own copies of libraries | 08:10 |
| poolie | but that's not packaged on hardy, and it's a little hard to make it work there | 08:11 |
| poolie | it could all be fixed but it just seems like a time sink | 08:11 |
| vila | well, not shipping copies of libraries shouldn't apply if the said libraries aren't available methinks... | 08:12 |
| vila | hm, restart required bbib | 08:12 |
| fullermd | Yeah, if we shipped testtools, I could run selftest ;> | 08:12 |
| poolie | it's completely fixable it's just one thing after another | 08:14 |
| poolie | separated by long pauses for soyuz to decide | 08:14 |
| * fullermd is unpleasantly familiar with such tasks... | 08:14 | |
| poolie | anyhow istm the main thing is to get it all working on lucid | 08:15 |
| poolie | you might think it would make sense to start with the oldest one and work forward | 08:15 |
| poolie | but i now think this is probably wrong | 08:15 |
| vila | poolie: waitaminute, I thought we modified configobj lightly but enough to not be able to use the stock version no ? | 08:25 |
| poolie | oh, really? | 08:25 |
| poolie | that's such a bad idea | 08:25 |
| poolie | i hadn't heard of that | 08:26 |
| vila | IMBW or the changes may just be cosmetic... | 08:26 |
| GaryvdM | Hi poolie | 08:30 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: lp:~bzr/bzr-gtk/packaging-$DISTRO | 08:30 |
| GaryvdM | I may not have push up all my changes yet, as I've not finished the hardy build. Let me push up the rest. | 08:31 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: I've also merged them with the debian unstable branch :-) | 08:32 |
| GaryvdM | That's why hardy is failing... | 08:32 |
| poolie | GaryvdM: got it now | 08:32 |
| vila | poolie: hmm, scratch that, if we used a modified version and debian deleted it, we would have heard about bugs | 08:34 |
| poolie | vila, that's what i thought too | 08:34 |
| poolie | i don't feel like going to look for trouble there; i have enough already | 08:34 |
| vila | poolie: ok, but may be we should file a bug about using our own copy only if none is available | 08:35 |
| spiv | There is at least one bzr-local change to ours, to improve import speed :/ | 08:36 |
| spiv | (It imports the 'compiler' module for a feature we never use) | 08:37 |
| poolie | hm, that's just the kind of thing we wouldn't get bugs about too | 08:37 |
| poolie | hello spiv, btw, you've been a quiet mouse :) | 08:37 |
| vila | hi spiv, I was just seeing your comment in configobj.py :D | 08:38 |
| poolie | spiv, i we should file a bug against bzr, debian, and ubunut | 08:38 |
| poolie | and maybe try to send the patch upstream to configobj | 08:38 |
| spiv | AFAIK we'd run ok with stock configobj, I think most of the other changes that bzr log reports are cosmetic. | 08:39 |
| spiv | poolie: I've been chipping away at old todo items before they go entirely stale... I'm currently looking at a draft of a LEP about logging (and contemplating how e.g. 'bzr serve' could change to do it better). | 08:43 |
| vila | poolie, spiv: even comparing with actual configobj-4.7 (we have a copy of 4.6) I see nothing worth worrying. As spiv said, there is the compiler loading and then 4.7 differs slightly for some errors handling | 08:45 |
| spiv | vila: that's a relief :) | 08:46 |
| * bialix waves at GaryvdM | 09:21 | |
| GaryvdM | Hi bialix. | 09:23 |
| poolie | hi bialix | 09:33 |
| poolie | ppas should be all ok once the packager finishes updating | 09:33 |
| poolie | well, by that i mean the lucid proposed ppa | 09:33 |
| bialix | hi poolie | 09:33 |
| bialix | does anybody know which version of bzr-explorer is packaged in ppa and lucid? | 09:35 |
| poolie | https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/proposed?field.series_filter=lucid has 1.1.0~beta1 | 09:35 |
| poolie | and lucid itself has | 09:35 |
| poolie | 1.0.1-0ubuntu1 | 09:36 |
| bialix | why not 1.0.2...? | 09:36 |
| poolie | and maverick also has 1.1.0~beta1 | 09:36 |
| poolie | i don't know | 09:37 |
| bialix | rhetorical question | 09:37 |
| poolie | i would guess that nobody updated it | 09:37 |
| poolie | if it's only bugfixes, it still could go in | 09:37 |
| bialix | sorry, I've meant maverick | 09:37 |
| bialix | 1.0.2 has released after lucid | 09:37 |
| poolie | maverick of course is the one that's coming out in october | 09:37 |
| bialix | yep | 09:38 |
| GaryvdM | bialix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 09:38 |
| bialix | that's fine then | 09:38 |
| * bialix notes | 09:38 | |
| GaryvdM | bialix: It's quite a process to get it updated in an existing release. | 09:38 |
| poolie | we should do something about the sru policy | 09:38 |
| bialix | yes, I understand | 09:38 |
| poolie | spiv it would be nice if you could do that next week | 09:39 |
| bialix | I'm not ready to force SRU right now | 09:39 |
| poolie | we'll try to keep the ppa up to date | 09:39 |
| GaryvdM | bialix: The ppa will have 1.1.0~beta soon. | 09:40 |
| bialix | GaryvdM: thank you! | 09:40 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: the latest bzr-explorer, and qbzr are compatible with bzr 2.1.0, so I may as well copy them to the main ppa now. | 09:41 |
| poolie | ok | 09:41 |
| poolie | so i think we're now all done | 09:41 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: what about git, svn loggerhead? | 09:42 |
| GaryvdM | git has new version for lucid, but not other distros. | 09:43 |
| GaryvdM | Same for dulwich | 09:43 |
| GaryvdM | Same for svn | 09:43 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: I think we still have some way to go. | 09:44 |
| poolie | GaryvdM: i was wondering if we should have some enlightened lazyness about builds on old distros | 09:44 |
| GaryvdM | :-) | 09:45 |
| poolie | i found i was bogging down a lot | 09:45 |
| poolie | trying to get them all through, and once i focussed on just lucid it was much easier | 09:45 |
| GaryvdM | I know the feeling. | 09:45 |
| poolie | it ought to be mechanical but there are proportionally more snags across the old ones | 09:45 |
| poolie | i'm going to try to get some data on how much people actually use them, or want upgrades there | 09:45 |
| poolie | both from the download logs, and perhaps we'll see if anyone objects on the list | 09:46 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: Lets copy for lucid now, and not copy for the others... | 09:46 |
| poolie | my sense is that people mostly do not stick with old ubuntu releases for a long time (except for lts) | 09:46 |
| poolie | unless they specifically want the machine not to move very much | 09:46 |
| poolie | but this is ... wishful thinking :) | 09:46 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: How come your uploads show as no signer? | 09:50 |
| vila | poolie: the reasoning sounds fine, if I want a newer bzr I'm likely already tracking a newer Ubuntu. But even if I track an older Ubuntu *and* I've subscribed to the bzr ppa, I still prefer stability over new features so I may accept fewer updates on the bzr ppa. I.e. we can start proposing an up-to-date ppa for lucid and maverick and update hardy/jaunty/whatever when time permits (including when our process become more automatic) | 09:54 |
| bialix | I can't remember the name of the plugin to run test suite on each commit, aka poor-man pqm. anyone? | 09:57 |
| bialix | testrunner | 09:58 |
| poolie | GaryvdM: i copied the binaries from the main archive; i guess that's why | 09:59 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: Ah - ok | 10:00 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: I just read your mail. | 10:00 |
| poolie | vila, are you talking about maybe having a 2.1, 2.2, etc ppa? | 10:00 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: This was the frustration I was trying to describe at uds - You described it much better than I could... | 10:01 |
| vila | hmm, no I was thinking about just the stable and proposed ones | 10:01 |
| poolie | i'm just glad it's done; the combination of lags plus tiny failures is so annoying y | 10:02 |
| poolie | you can't concentrate and just get it done but you can't concentrate on anything else | 10:02 |
| poolie | or at any rate i can't | 10:02 |
| poolie | vila: oh you're saying people on hardy may be happy to just stay on 2.0 or whatever? | 10:02 |
| poolie | i agree | 10:02 |
| poolie | i agree they may | 10:02 |
| GaryvdM | I upload, play a game of solitaire, and then go and check if it succeeded. :-0 | 10:03 |
| poolie | exactly | 10:03 |
| poolie | nice for 20m, not a good way to spend two days :-{ | 10:03 |
| poolie | or more :{ | 10:03 |
| vila | poolie: yes, they may accept to upgrade to 2.2 later | 10:04 |
| vila | err, they may accept that the upgrade is delayed | 10:04 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: I'm going keep at it though. Next up - for me: bzr-builddeb | 10:04 |
| poolie | ? | 10:04 |
| poolie | i think they're all done | 10:04 |
| poolie | assuming the publisher runns... | 10:05 |
| lifeless | awesome | 10:05 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: For all distros | 10:05 |
| poolie | oh, ok | 10:05 |
| poolie | if you really want to | 10:05 |
| poolie | wow, launchpadlib pulls in a bunch of stuff | 10:06 |
| poolie | i think it's used by builddeb | 10:06 |
| poolie | including a mail server | 10:06 |
| poolie | strace | 10:06 |
| GaryvdM | poolie: The other thing is that merging the debian unstable packaging branches as caused more complication, but I think it will make it easier in the long term. Packages for which I did this when I did 2.1 were easier this time round. | 10:07 |
| bialix | poolie: q about pad.lv: why you've used .lv domain for it? | 10:10 |
| poolie | it's cheap, and it sounds like "pad love" | 10:16 |
| poolie | i'm not latvian | 10:16 |
| poolie | i think spiv is ½ latvian though, or lithuanian | 10:16 |
| bialix | funny | 10:19 |
| poolie | good night and good luck! | 10:20 |
| GaryvdM | Good night | 10:20 |
| bialix | :-) | 10:20 |
| GaryvdM | i386 ppa build queue > 4hrs :-( | 13:50 |
| jelmer | vila: Thanks for the review, very much appreciated! | 13:50 |
| vila | jelmer: as is your work in this area, you're definitely on something here and I was just wondering if the factory idea shouldn't be pushed even more to clearly define how one create repo/branch/wt for a given format | 13:52 |
| vila | jelmer: they are all created from the format or its associated dir so far and without looking into the details, I wonder if we have inherited that from the early days of bzr... | 13:53 |
| vila | jelmer: I was quite surprised that you were able to produce such a clean patch there, I would have swear that things were too mixed-up for that... So, well done ! ;) | 13:54 |
| jelmer | vila: Thanks :-) | 14:37 |
| jelmer | vila: History shows there indeed, although I think it's a slightly disconnected problem. | 14:37 |
| jelmer | I'll followup to the branch tonight and see if I can get some of the plugins working with this new API then :-) | 14:38 |
| vila | great ! | 14:38 |
| GaryvdM | jelmer: My I ask you some debian packaging questions? | 14:46 |
| jelmer | GaryvdM, yeah, sure | 14:46 |
| GaryvdM | jelmer: I would like to submit a patch to the packaging config for qbzr. Should I submit a branch with just the change, or should I also merge the upstream, and update the changelog? | 14:48 |
| GaryvdM | Making the change, and updating the changelog with out merging upstream feels odd. | 14:49 |
| jelmer | GaryvdM: You should definitely update the changelog to mention what you've fixed | 14:49 |
| jelmer | merging upstream isn't necessary, but you might as well while you're there | 14:50 |
| GaryvdM | Also one of the changes I want to make is specific to the upstream version (minimum bzr version) | 14:50 |
| GaryvdM | jelmer: And then push to lp, and send mail to pkg-bazaar-maint@lists.alioth.debian.org ? | 14:51 |
| jelmer | GaryvdM: yep | 14:53 |
| GaryvdM | Ok :-) | 14:53 |
| starenka__ | hi, sorry for noob question but is there a way how to show all modified files since rev x? | 15:19 |
| vila | starenka__: bzr status -r x | 15:20 |
| starenka__ | neat | 15:20 |
| starenka__ | thanks | 15:20 |
| mgz | garyvdm: re your pretty html table of package versions on the mailing list | 15:51 |
| GaryvdM | Yhea - sorry about the html. | 15:51 |
| mgz | I think testtools really wants to be at either 0.9.2 or 0.9.5 | 15:51 |
| mgz | we probably can't do much about debian unstable, but who would need bugging about maverick? | 15:52 |
| mgz | ^needing to do a table is a good reason for html email, the mess people make trying to do them is plain text is worse | 15:53 |
| GaryvdM | mgz: Why not do any thing about debian unstable. We have 2 dd's amongst us! | 15:54 |
| mgz | well, they're deeper in freeze than ubuntu is I believe | 15:54 |
| mgz | but sure, jelmer/lifeless, if you can find a way to get the release managers to take the next testtools version, that'd be great | 15:55 |
| GaryvdM | mgz: I don't think that would be required for sid, only for squeeze. | 15:56 |
| mgz | yup. | 15:57 |
| GaryvdM | mgz: Ok - so we should try get sid/mavrick updated to 0.9.5 before updating the others in the ppa. | 15:58 |
| GaryvdM | Thats ok, because I want to get the more user facing packages updated first. | 15:59 |
| mgz | great, thanks. | 15:59 |
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| mgz | my busy week is over now so I should be around if you need help with anything | 15:59 |
| jelmer | hi Gary, Martin | 16:04 |
| jelmer | mgz, GaryvdM: Rob is the person to talk to, he's the only maintainer of testtools in Debian. | 16:04 |
| mgz | thanks jelmer, I'll bug him later. | 16:05 |
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| zyga | hello | 16:40 |
| zyga | is 2.2 officially released ? | 16:40 |
| jelmer | yeah | 16:41 |
| zyga | jelmer, then why does the website state that 2.1 is stable release? | 16:42 |
| jelmer | zyga: That's a good point.. | 16:43 |
| jelmer | jam, vila: ^ | 16:43 |
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| * zyga-afk needs to go away for a few hours :/ | 16:44 | |
| vila | jelmer: I think we wait for the installers before releasing officially | 16:44 |
| vila | jelmer: and also an updated ppa but this should be good now thanks to poolie and garyvdm | 16:45 |
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| vila | zyga-afk: so 2.2 is really *close* to be officially released | 16:45 |
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| MTecknology | I tried doing this --> bzr pull lp:pressflow --remember and got this --> bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(lp-70598736:///~pressflow/pressflow/6/.bzr/branchlock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport | 17:45 |
| MTecknology | why? | 17:45 |
| vila | MTecknology: bzr info ? | 17:47 |
| vila | MTecknology: may be your branch is bound to lp:pressflow ? | 17:48 |
| MTecknology | vila: that'd explain it :D | 17:50 |
| MTecknology | thanks | 17:50 |
| rocky | jelmer, what's the latest version of bzr-rebase/rewrite i should use with bzr 2.2.x ? | 18:25 |
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| jelmer | rocky, the latest version f bzr-rewrite (not sure off the top of my head what that is) | 18:26 |
| rocky | well baseically i need rebase that works with bzr-svn and bzr 2.2.0 | 18:26 |
| rocky | so what do i get? :) | 18:26 |
| rocky | jelmer, ^^ | 18:28 |
| jelmer | rocky: as I said, the latest version of bzr-rewrite | 18:29 |
| rocky | jelmer, oh sorry i misunderstood... the reason i'm asking is because the latest download on http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/Rewrite?action=show&redirect=Rebase says it's for bzr 1.13 and higher... hwich makes it seem old | 18:29 |
| MTecknology | Is there any easy way to take one branch abd run bzr pull lp:newbranch --remember --ignore-conflicts ? | 19:09 |
| MTecknology | The only way I can think of is to move the directory, then grab a fresh copy - but not ideal | 19:10 |
| jelmer | rocky: the APIs it uses haven't changed, so there's no reason to change the minimum bzr version | 19:35 |
| rocky | k | 19:35 |
| MarcWeber | I dowloaded two blender branches. How can I visualize when one was forked off and how many commits are different? | 20:20 |
| dash | MarcWeber: 'bzr missing' will tell you the differences between the branches. | 20:20 |
| dash | 'bzr vis' or 'bzr qlog' can show you a pretty view of the history, if you have the gtk or qt extensions installed | 20:21 |
| MarcWeber | dash: I prever pretty views :) Are those extensions included in the main source ? | 20:22 |
| dash | they're plugins. | 20:22 |
| MarcWeber | Does bazaar store multiple branches in one directory as git does? | 20:30 |
| MarcWeber | I have a blender branch on lp I'd like to compare with current unstable. | 20:31 |
| dash | MarcWeber: no, it doesn't | 20:31 |
| dash | you can use a shared repo so that branches don't have duplicate copies of the revs they have in common | 20:32 |
| MarcWeber | So I checkout twice and then use diff ../other-dir or such ? or diff lp-url ? | 20:32 |
| dash | MarcWeber: sure | 20:33 |
| MarcWeber | or missing ../other-dir etc? | 20:33 |
| dash | yep | 20:33 |
| dash | if you start with 'bzr init-repo .' then it'll create a repo in the current directory | 20:33 |
| dash | and so checking out a second branch in that dir will only fetch the extra revs | 20:33 |
| MarcWeber | branch 'lp:~diresu/blender/blender-command-port-002' | 20:34 |
| MarcWeber | and branch lp:blender | 20:34 |
| MarcWeber | Can I make a shared repo out of a checked out one? | 20:41 |
| dash | MarcWeber: to do that you do init-repo as above, then clone your existing branch into it | 20:42 |
| dash | so 'bzr init-repo .; bzr branch mybranch mybranch_new' will do it. | 20:42 |
| MarcWeber | ( --trees) ? | 20:43 |
| dash | if you like :) | 20:44 |
| eydaimon | if I do a bzr up -r 123 and then a bzr revno, it shows the head revno, not the one the repo is at. How can I get the revision the repo is at? | 21:32 |
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| maxb | eydaimon: You don't mean repo, you mean tree. Use bzr revno --tree | 23:18 |
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