[02:03] <maco> anyone else seeing quassel do its word warp just before the last letter in a word instead of at the whitespace?
[02:21] <yofel> yes, Sput said it was an issue with qt4.7beta
[02:22] <maco> ok
[03:16] <crimsun_> jjesse: I'm not sure what you mean in bug 620840. The report clearly shows that the daemon is running.
[06:39] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: Riddell bug 620900
[06:40] <shadeslayer_> oh!!
[06:40] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: thanks :D
[06:40] <shadeslayer_> wheee  : http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/use-linux-now-you-can-video-chat-too.html
[06:41] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: if you can upload k3b from same ppa as well :D
[06:42] <shadeslayer_> cya later.. till then ^_^
[06:48] <nigelb> shadeslayer: squeee!
[06:58] <valorie> nice, when will that be available through Kubuntu?
[06:58] <valorie> since it's a deb, I assume it can be packaged?
[07:30] <jussi> shadeslayer: oooh!!  nice!
[08:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: we've only just now got audio support and then they unroll video for linux :O
[08:29] <apachelogger> valorie: cannot... it is closed source
[08:29] <valorie> ah
[08:30] <valorie> foo
[08:30] <apachelogger> possible could go into canonical's partner repo, but that is for canonical to work out
[08:30] <valorie> the only reason I'd like it is to test my sound
[08:30] <valorie> so far, nothing gets sound
[08:30] <valorie> I wonder if they put a mic in this laptop
[08:30] <valorie> or hooked up the wires
[08:31] <valorie> camera works....
[08:31] <valorie> .....skype is open?
[08:31]  * valorie has skype
[08:32] <apachelogger> valorie: well you could just install google's deb :P
[08:32] <valorie> I could
[08:32] <valorie> but generally prefer to stick with the wisdom of you packaging wizards here
[08:33] <apachelogger> google's debs are as good as ours usually ;)
[08:34] <valorie> well, it was going to be automatically installed in ~/Documents
[08:34] <apachelogger> no
[08:34] <valorie> and since I don't think that's probably the proper place to put it
[08:34] <valorie> I didn't
[08:34] <apachelogger> it would have downloaded the deb :P
[08:34] <apachelogger> there
[08:34] <valorie> which is silly
[08:34] <valorie> I have a downloads folder for that purpose
[08:34] <apachelogger> that is up to the browser
[08:35] <apachelogger> a website cannot dictate where a download should go
[08:35] <valorie> I guess
[08:35] <valorie> perhaps mine got reset at some point
[08:35] <valorie> I found a lot of dreck in Docs folder today
[08:35] <valorie> lol
[08:36] <apachelogger> only ought to be one file :P
[08:36] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/480821/
[08:39] <valorie> I might try it later
[08:40] <valorie> right now I have gchat shut off
[08:40] <valorie> because people keep interrupting!
[08:40] <valorie> get into IRC if you wanna talk, geez
[08:41] <nigelb> lol
[08:45] <apachelogger> on irc I always get highlighted for no good reason :P
[08:45] <apachelogger> which is also not better
[08:47] <valorie> everybody loves ya!
[08:47] <valorie> and values your opinion
[08:47] <valorie> and help
[08:47] <valorie> and all around fluffiness
[08:57] <apachelogger> valorie: unfortunately ;)
[09:01] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[09:01]  * apachelogger thinks today is neversfelde's bday
[09:01] <apachelogger> neversfelde: happy day of birth!
[09:35] <Sput> maco: yeah, fixed in newer versions of Qt 4.7... the b*stards changed behavior of a text metrics-related function mid-release...
[09:39] <dpm> good morning everyone
[09:40] <dpm> right, I've installed Kubuntu maverick in a VM to test translations. When I chose "Install Kubuntu" on the first screen, it went to the live session instead of starting the installer (actually, to the login screen, it would not login automatically) - is this a known bug?
[09:43] <apachelogger> \o/ final eval done
[09:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you pass?
[09:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: I only filled in the eval form
[09:48] <apachelogger> btw, working on a blog post about the techy things of u1-kde
[09:49] <Riddell> good morning dpm 
[09:49] <Riddell> are you using an alpha or a daily CD?
[09:49] <Riddell> I've no idea what state the daily CDs are in, ubiquity has had too many changes
[09:49] <dpm> hey Riddell, daily, using TestDrive to test
[09:49] <dpm> ok, I'll fetch an alpha and update
[09:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: k3b and choqok uploaded, many thanks
[10:00] <Riddell> right, time to dist upgrade, wish me luck
[10:08] <ulysses> cross the fingers
[10:52] <dpm> Riddell, the A3 ISO has the same problem: the installer does not run and it takes you to kdm. There I need to log in (ubuntu/no password). I'm now trying to run the installation from the live session
[10:54] <dpm> no luck with that, either. It kicks me out of the session and I'm back at kdm
[10:57] <apachelogger> opinions on http://imgur.com/1ZDqK
[10:57] <apachelogger> diagram of the internal structures of ubuntuone-kde
[11:00] <apachelogger> right then
[11:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am switching rekonq for konqueror
[11:00]  * apachelogger is sick of loosing data
[11:01] <dpm> I'll try the OEM install mode now
[11:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: still getting crashes?
[11:04] <apachelogger> yes
[11:04] <apachelogger> very random too
[11:04] <apachelogger> so it is not even like I could avoid them
[11:12] <Riddell> ooh la la, c'est tout francais
[11:13] <Riddell> except for bluedevil, to be expected
[11:20] <ulysses> Riddell: where comes Maverick's current networkmanager applet from?
[11:21] <Riddell> ulysses: from KDE SVN
[11:21] <Riddell> it's in extragear/network now although we haven't updated in a while (because I tend to update it when suse update it since they're the upstream)
[11:22] <Riddell> agateau: La francais pour "Notes" est "Notes"?
[11:22] <agateau> Riddell: I think so, what's the context?
[11:23] <Riddell> agateau: Kontact sidebar
[11:23] <agateau> Riddell: yes, "Notes" is good
[11:23] <Riddell> aussi "Contacts" "Messages" et "Journal"?
[11:26] <ulysses> Riddell: there are plasma-applet_networkmanagement.po, libknetworkmanager.po and desktop_extragear-base_networkmanager.po in trunk/l10n-kde4/hu/messages/extragear-base, maybe these belongs to the NM applet?
[11:26] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[11:27] <Riddell> ulysses: also knetworkmanager.po ?  or maybe that no longer exists
[11:27] <Riddell> agateau: j'aime "Flux", c'est un mot bon 
[11:27] <dpm> Right, OEM installer also not working. I'm going to download the alternate iso and install kubuntu from there... :/
[11:28] <ulysses> Riddell: yes, I didn't see it because it is translated
[11:30] <Riddell> ulysses: what made you look at networkmanager applet?  you noticed it was missing translations?
[11:30] <Riddell> Kontact seems good for translations, guess the 4.4 backport magic worked
[11:30] <ulysses> Riddell: yes, there are untranslated messages
[11:31] <Riddell> ulysses: you're running latest maverick in Hungarian?
[11:32] <ulysses> Riddell: yes, however I didn't rebooted it, and there were language pack updates
[11:33] <Riddell> ulysses: groovy, let me know where else you find missing translations
[11:33] <Riddell> koffice seems a bit patchy with its French translation
[11:34] <Riddell> hmm, koffice is 2.2.1 but koffice-l10n is 2.0
[11:34] <ulysses> oh, we have to work lot on KOffice, the hungarian is only at 57%, and we need 75% to earn
[11:38] <ulysses> KDE upstream translation needs lots of work, but the translator resources are limited:(
[11:45] <rerx> hi! I'm running the Amarok 2.3.2 beta from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[11:45] <rerx> unfortunately it loses the options "move/copy to collection" from the context menu in the file browser
[11:45] <rerx> #amarok tell me that it should still be there, so I guess there was an oversight building that package
[11:47] <Riddell> rerx: I have it, right Click on MP3 file Copier dans la Collection -> Collection locale
[11:47] <ulysses> me too, running Kubuntu 10.10 and Amarok 2.3.1.90
[11:48] <rerx> that's strange
[11:48] <Riddell> rerx: got a screenshot?
[11:48] <rerx> I'm running 10.04 with KDE 4.5 from the updates ppa
[11:48] <rerx> I mean backports ppa
[11:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whee :D
[11:49] <rerx> I'm going to prepare one, just a sec
[11:52] <rerx> here you go: http://www.abload.de/img/context-menu-missing-ohy06.png
[11:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also.. choqok's icon is now green :P
[11:56] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/choqok
[11:56] <rerx> Riddel: could this be related to running KDE SC 4.5 on Lucid?
[11:57] <Riddell> rerx: wouldn't think so
[11:58] <Riddell> rerx: just checked on 10.04 with KDE Platform 4.4 and Amarok 2.3.1.90, also no problem there
[11:59] <rerx> hmm, I guess I won't be able to avoid building it on my own to try if it makes a difference
[12:01] <shadeslayer> btw are kdepimlibs and kdepim-runtime are located in two different svn locations?
[12:01] <rerx> but that will have to wait a little, thanks for now!
[12:12] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:12] <apachelogger> maco2: ping
[12:15] <Riddell> I love how gnome keyring doesn't tell you why it wants your password
[12:15]  * Riddell tracks down the koffice-l10n build failure
[12:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: and how it steals your keyboard too even when it's not focused
[12:17] <Riddell> system settings doesn't set $LANG, GTK apps are translated as long as you are using qtcurve, openoffice is not
[12:17] <Riddell> ^^ does that seem like a fair summary ?
[12:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should i upload rekonq 0.5 for lucid to beta backports?
[12:18] <shadeslayer> apparently apachelogger thinks so :P
[12:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: system settings?
[12:19] <apachelogger> you mean the locale KCM?
[12:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[12:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can't it go into normal ubuntu backports?
[12:21] <apachelogger> well yeah, we do not patch the KCM other than adding language-selector
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: afaik deps on kde 4.5
[12:21] <apachelogger> which is the reason JontheEchidna should be given to possibility to take a shot at improving that
[12:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: surely not, they wouldn't consider bugs that affected 4.5
[12:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: but that's horribly broken surely
[12:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i dont follow
[12:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: the language-selector or the locale KCM?
[12:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: rekonq 0.5 depends on KDE Platform 4.4
[12:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: locale KCM
[12:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do you change the setting for non KDE apps?
[12:23] <apachelogger> I do not think that KDE very much is concerned with whether non-integrated apps intregrate far enough to get the locale right
[12:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: language-selector
[12:23] <shadeslayer> really? alright then, backports it is
[12:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: for which you need to change the whole system and you need to have admin rights
[12:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: IMHO the KDE-only widget thing should be replaced by language-selector embedding into the KCM
[12:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, good point
[12:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe it should just drop a script for exporting LANG in the folder with scripts for KDE startup?
[12:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I think so, but I'm amazed this isn't something everyone moans about
[12:25] <apachelogger> then again ... I wonder how we would reliably translate the KDE language codes to system language codes (they surely are different)
[12:25] <Riddell> KDE can hardly slag us off for bad i18n when it can't even set the i18n
[12:25] <Riddell> unless I'm missing something
[12:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: every distro implements their own junk for locale so I doubt people notice
[12:27] <Riddell> wibble
[12:43] <Riddell> how ironic, qt-language-selector isn't translated
[12:49] <apachelogger> lol
[12:59] <apachelogger> dantti: after upgrade the view does not refresh suggesting that one needs to upgrade again or the upgrade was unsuccessful
[12:59] <apachelogger> after refreshing the view is updated
[13:06] <jimhu> Hi
[13:06] <Riddell> hi jimhu 
[13:07] <jimhu> Riddell: I'm here to report some problems that are ralated to kimpanel/ibus and im-swtich
[13:08] <Riddell> jimhu: just some problems or does it not work at all?
[13:09] <jimhu> Riddell:First of all, Kubuntu uses ibus as its default input method, but it's a GTK+ program.  Though QTCurve is used to make QT and GTK+ have the same look, ibus does not.
[13:09] <jimhu> Riddell: ibus works great but looks really ugly, since it has a unthemed gtk+ look
[13:10] <jimhu> Riddell:ibus is loaded by im-switch which starts before kde itself starts, so ibus won't apply qtcurve theme
[13:12] <jimhu> Riddell: and i've noticed that im-switch has "ibus-qt" opion which makes ibus uses kimpanel as its frontend.
[13:12] <Riddell> using kimpanel would be the sensible thing, but I've no idea if kimpanel works
[13:12] <jimhu> Riddell:But since the same reason, it won't work at all.
[13:13] <Riddell> it won't work because it gets loaded too soon?
[13:13] <jimhu> Riddell:correctly
[13:14] <jimhu> Riddell:if you start ibus by add the  entry "ibus-daemon --panel=/usr/lib/ibus/ibus-ui-kde" in the "autorun" module in System setting, everything works fine
[13:16] <jimhu> Riddell:the fact that im-switch loads ibus before kde starts breaks the constant look of GTK+ program(ibus itself only) and kimpanel
[13:17] <dpm> Riddell, 
 Thank you for fixing these problems. There is also some constant overloading of kdelibs in Kubuntu: it has +320 strings from katepart and other things in kdelibs module.
 Cf.:  https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+lang/uk/+index?start=150&batch=75
 http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/stable-kde4/team/uk/kdelibs/
[13:17] <dpm>  This prevents smooth integration with upstream.
[13:17] <Riddell> jimhu: so sounds like we want to fix im-switch to not start ibus but instead put an autostart file for that command when configured to use KDE?
[13:17] <dpm> Any ideas where the extra strings can come from? ^
[13:18] <jimhu> Riddell: Yeah, that will fix everything
[13:19] <Riddell> jimhu: I can't even seem to add kimpanel to my plasma panel :(
[13:20] <jimhu> Riddell:try to add it to desktop and than drag it onto the panel
[13:20] <Riddell> dpm: he's complaining about strings in katepart4.pot ?
[13:20] <yurchor> No, i'm complaining about strings in kdelibs itself.
[13:23] <Riddell> jimhu: so having added kimpanel and run ibus-daemon --panel=/usr/lib/ibus/ibus-ui-kde   how do I get it to input something?
[13:24] <Riddell> I'm using English locale, but how do I tell kimpanel I want to write in Chinese or whatever?
[13:24] <jimhu> Riddell:you should install ibus obviously, and then install some input method, like ibus-pinyin
[13:25] <jimhu> Riddell: you may have to install plasma-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus
[13:26] <jimhu> Riddell: after that, run ibus-daemon --panel=/usr/lib/ibus/ibus-ui-kde in the terminal
[13:26] <jimhu> Riddell: Open Kate or anything that can input characters
[13:27] <jimhu> Riddell:Press Ctrl+space to switch to PinYin input method, and then input "nihao".
[13:27] <jimhu> Riddell:   Press
[13:29] <jimhu> Riddell: if you have install the proper fonts, you can see "你好" in the bar that comes out
[13:33] <Riddell> hmm, nope, doesn't do anything
[13:34] <shadeslayer> any ideas why i get -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull: command not found 
[13:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: because you're missing the "cmake" ?
[13:35]  * shadeslayer looks
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/VpuQU1Gt
[13:36] <Riddell> jimhu: if I click on the pencil icon I just get a menu with "disable" in it, presumably there should be something else there?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: line 119
[13:37] <dpm> Riddell, to write in Chinese, the best thing is to use language selector to install the language. It will also install additional fonts and the necessary input methods for ibus
[13:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'd try removing line 118
[13:38] <jimhu> Riddell:http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Kimpanel
[13:38] <jimhu> Riddell: you can refer to this article which explains how to use kimpanel in Kubuntu
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: same thing
[13:40] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:40] <shadeslayer> ->doofus()
[13:41] <shadeslayer> fixed now
[13:41] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ( didnt source :P )
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> We build our packages in debug mode and then strip the debug symbols into a separate package, yes?
[13:44] <apachelogger> blogging is way too exhausting :(
[13:44] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yep
[13:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol :P
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> In that case, I believe that as a result qDebug()'s are on by default
[13:45] <apachelogger> srsly I started working on a somewhat more technical blog post about u1-kde like 4 hours ago
[13:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Qt packages are not built with debugfull by default I think
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> Maybe we could add -DQT_NO_DEBUG to vars.mk
[13:46] <apachelogger> KDE packages should not be using qdebug anyway
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> I'm mainly thinking of libdbusmenu-qt
[13:46] <JontheEchidna> it has srsly annoying qDebug()'s
[13:46] <apachelogger> it ought not be built with KDE build system if it is qt
[13:46] <apachelogger> or manually defie QT_NO_DEBUG
[13:47] <apachelogger> doing it in KDE is probably a bad idea as qDebug ought to only be used if the author deliberately wants to work around kDebug being controllable at runtime
[13:47] <apachelogger> IMHO
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debian
[13:48] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> wonder what that means
[13:54] <Riddell> jimhu: well I'm now running in chinese and set the autostart file, still can't type anything chinese
[13:55] <Riddell> chinese is the default system language and input method 
[13:57] <Riddell> sigh
[13:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: uses /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/*-debian.cmake IIRC
[13:59] <apachelogger> oh
[14:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also I think that actually sets QT_NO_DEBUG
[14:00]  * apachelogger looks
[14:00] <apachelogger> ./FindKDE4Internal.cmake:   set(CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS_DEBIAN         "-DNDEBUG -DQT_NO_DEBUG")
[14:00] <apachelogger> ./FindKDE4Internal.cmake:   set(CMAKE_C_FLAGS_DEBIAN           "-DNDEBUG -DQT_NO_DEBUG"
[14:00] <apachelogger> those vars come from build_type
[14:03] <shadeslayer> the stuff people report.... ( bug 620789 )
[14:04] <Riddell> dpm: well I do see some kate strings in kdelibs4 which are also in katepart4 (where upstream has them)
[14:04] <Riddell> dpm: they're not generated by our packages, so I blame launchpad
[14:04] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: happy birthday :D
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Need to get 128MB/238MB of archives. After unpacking 655MB will be used. << from my own doing :(
[14:06] <jimhu> Riddell: try not to close terminal windows after running that command
[14:06] <shadeslayer> project neon might just make it in time for maverick :P
[14:07] <Riddell> jimhu: how does im-switch start ibus at login?
[14:07] <Riddell> ah, must be /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80im-switch
[14:07] <jimhu> Riddell: it starts ibus before X starts
[14:07] <jimhu> Riddell:yeah
[14:16] <txwikinger> What packages do I need to install to compile Kubuntu themes?
[14:17] <Riddell> what do you mean by Kubuntu themes?
[14:18] <Riddell> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/jr/.xinput.d/en_US': Permission denied 
[14:18] <Riddell> I think language-selector is broken ^^
[14:20] <Riddell> Please install following packages: "( plasam-widget-kimpanel-backend-ibus )"
[14:20] <Riddell> in more ways than one, spot the typo ^^
[14:21] <txwikinger> well something that could replace oxygen
[14:21] <txwikinger> Not my question someone asked that and I thought the question itself does not make sebnse really
[14:23] <Riddell> txwikinger: replace oxygen what? icons?  widget style?  plasma theme?
[14:23] <Riddell> system settings will let you do them all anyway
[14:23] <Riddell> but compiling, dunno what he means there
[14:23] <txwikinger> I think it is about creating such a theme
[14:24] <txwikinger> you can do all of that in settings, right?
[14:24] <apachelogger> settings is for settings, not creating
[14:25] <apachelogger> ohhhhh
[14:25]  * apachelogger has odd key mapping issues :O
[14:25] <txwikinger> apachelogger: how do you create them
[14:25] <apachelogger> I wonder why it is that my system always breaks shortly after feature freeze
[14:26] <apachelogger> txwikinger: google:how to create kstyle; google:how to create kwin style; google:how to create kdm theme
[14:26] <txwikinger> ok ok
[14:35] <maco2> apachelogger: pong
[14:35] <apachelogger> maco2: did you ever use the ubuntuone gnome version?
[14:35] <maco2> apachelogger: one one of my laptops. thats how data got to U1 initially
[14:35] <apachelogger> also, do you have gnome-keyring running on your systems?
[14:36]  * apachelogger just noticed that ubuntu-sso might do silly things if both kwallet and gnome-keyring are installed
[14:36] <apachelogger> and ubuntu-sso-gnomekeyring and ubuntu-sso-kwallet for that matter ^^
[14:36] <maco2> the one that had the gnome version has gnome-keyring. i cant figure out how to get it to shush though
[14:37] <maco2> the one im on right now just has the kde kind
[14:40] <maco2> i can try removing the gnomey stuff from the other when i get home from work
[14:47] <apachelogger> hm
[14:47] <apachelogger> I find this all very odd 
[14:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/ubuntu-one-technical-aspects/
[14:57]  * apachelogger cannot think straight no more @.@
[14:58] <jussi> apachelogger: you are very odd, so that shouldnt be a suprise :D
[14:58] <apachelogger> right
[14:58]  * jussi hugs apachelogger
[14:58]  * apachelogger rehugs jussi
[15:00] <\sh> apachelogger is an awesome rockstart...:) 
[15:00] <\sh> apachelogger: and now you have a lifetime flatrate for the ubuntu one music store? ;)
[15:00] <Riddell> anyone want to file a FFe for bluedevil?
[15:01] <apachelogger> \sh: yeah, sure :P
[15:01] <\sh> apachelogger: lol...good work btw...you really rock :)
[15:02] <\sh> apachelogger: btw did you use inkscape for the diagramm? it really looks like the ones I'm creating for my manager about new HW infrastructure ;)
[15:02] <shadeslayer> im still backtrace-less :/
[15:03] <apachelogger> \sh: yes
[15:03]  * apachelogger is starting to get the hang of doing diagrams in inkscape
[15:03] <shadeslayer> maybe this has something to do with it
[15:03] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/UDCb2bCg
[15:05] <shadeslayer> any ideas? ... im not getting traces in my kde-devel account
[15:20] <dpm> Riddell, after a quick test with a new installation, I've seen the first things which are not translated:
[15:20] <dpm> http://imagebin.ca/view/GTCUGk.html
[15:20] <dpm> http://imagebin.ca/view/SBgo6f.html
[15:20] <dpm> http://imagebin.ca/view/hjUj-Kw.html
[15:20] <dpm> http://imagebin.ca/view/cDoiwHPG.html
[15:20] <dpm> Could you help me confirm that these are genuine bugs and if so find out the packages where translations should come from?
[15:21] <dpm> The most visible ones are the menu entries and the system settings app, which is completely untranslated apart from a few items
[15:26] <apachelogger> dpm: run this action https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+pots/notificationhelper/ca/6/+translate
[15:27] <dpm> nice, not a bug
[15:27] <dpm> thanks apachelogger
[15:27] <apachelogger> dpm: same domain should be the origin of that notification
[15:27] <Riddell> dpm: what language are you using?
[15:28] <dpm> Catalan
[15:28] <apachelogger> dpm: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper/+pots/desktop-kubuntu-notification-helper/ca/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=upgrade+not
[15:28] <apachelogger> the untranslated bits in the menu worry me though
[15:28] <dpm> nice, another one done. I'll take care of translating those
[15:29] <dpm> apachelogger, yes, those and system settings not being translated are the ones that look critical to me
[15:29] <apachelogger> hm
[15:29] <apachelogger> well, it does not seem to be a problem with the patch I get german translations for the menu
[15:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you get a translated menu in french?
[15:30] <dpm> There was a message at some point telling me that the language support was not complete, but I discarded it the first time and it never came back since. I'm not sure if that is supposed to make a difference. I believe that message comes from language selector
[15:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: kickoff menu?  yes
[15:31] <apachelogger> ok so it is not the patch that is failing
[15:31] <dpm> I tried to install a new language (German) trying to get that popup back, but then language selector told me that it had had a problem and that it was not possible to install new languages :/
[15:31] <apachelogger> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/kdebase-runtime/+pots/desktop-kdebase-runtime/ca/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=graphics
[15:32] <dpm> Yeah, that one comes from upstream and it's translated, not sure why it's not being loaded
[15:32] <apachelogger> dpm: it should only try to install kde-l10n-foo after installation for additional resources such as sound files and what not
[15:32] <apachelogger> in fact I think it does do that as part of the installation these days
[15:33] <dpm> I'm not sure if it makes a difference, but that's a new installation. Seeing that you are not seeing problems and that no one has complained yet, most probably upgrades are fine for some reason
[15:35] <apachelogger> dpm: can you please try running kbuildsycoca4 and then relogin
[15:35] <apachelogger> better yet
[15:35] <apachelogger> kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
[15:35] <Riddell> dpm: trying Catalan I get the kickoff menu translated completely
[15:35] <apachelogger> maybe the desktop file cache is out of date 
[15:36] <dpm> apachelogger, let me try that
[15:36] <dpm> Riddell, mine is a new installation - is yours as well? The only entry I get translated is the "Ajuda" one (Help)
[15:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: oui
[15:39] <Riddell> dpm: I think I last reinstalled at alpha 3 and have upgraded
[15:39] <Riddell> dpm: what version of language-pack-kde-ca-base do you have installed?
[15:39] <Riddell> dpm: do you have the file /usr/share/locale-langpack/ca/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_kdebase-workspace.mo ?
[15:40] <Riddell> dpm: under System Settings -> Localisation (UN flag icon) what order are the languages?
[15:43] <dpm> Riddell, I've got the latest langpack installed from 3 days ago, the mo file is there. When I first run langage selector there weren't any languages there, so I had to add Catalan (it was already installed, but not on the list). So the list has now only got Catalan. In any case, I had done that already and logged out and in before reporting the problems, and it didn't seem to make any difference.
[15:48] <JontheEchidna> "This library is actually very simple to use but got some fine internals, in fact I spent hours just looking at the code and scrolling through its glory (because there was a bug  )." <-haha
[15:50] <Riddell> dpm: hum, I'm out of ideas then
[16:08] <dpm> Riddell, apachelogger, hm, running 'kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental' logging out and back in did not seem to make a difference
[16:10] <Riddell> dpm: this is from a daily alternate CD?
[16:10] <dpm> yep
[16:24] <dpm> Is rekonq the default browser? I see it is not translated as well. Is that an official KDE app?
[16:25] <Tm_T> dpm: no, it's not part of KDE SC
[16:26] <Tm_T> also IIRC it's not default browser
[16:26] <Riddell> it is currently default browser
[16:26] <Riddell> and its package comes with no translations currently
[16:26] <Tm_T> in Lucid?
[16:26] <dpm> bummer
[16:26] <Riddell> upstream will change that before release but it'll be a first try
[16:27] <dpm> are they using gettext by any chance?
[16:27]  * dpm hopes
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> It's just a useless sidebar at the moment, but it's a start: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopha1550
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> need a better Kubuntu icon though
[16:32] <Riddell> dpm: yes
[16:33] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: goodness
[16:33] <dpm> ah, cool. Riddell, do they have any kind of i18n support already in place? Is there anything they might need help with?
[16:34] <Riddell> dpm: yes it's all there, they just haven't entered string freeze for 1.0 yet
[16:34] <Riddell> although that might be today
[16:36] <dpm> Riddell, so, if all is there, and regardless of the string freeze not being in place, could we not already import the .pot template in the package. I'm just thinking in terms of doing it as early as possible to ensure it is translatable in Maverick. Upstream could also benefit from the Ubuntu translators contributions 
[16:37] <Riddell> dpm: I assumed we did
[16:38] <dpm> Riddell, oh, we do, we do. I just hadn't realised. It's all here: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/rekonq
[16:39] <shadeslayer> :o
[16:39] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i want to help!
[16:39] <shadeslayer> with kubuntu software center
[16:40] <shadeslayer> i might just be able to learn something :P
[16:43] <Riddell> there was me thinking you wanted to do MIRs and FFe for bluedevil :)
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> bug 614699 needs taking care of, too
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> (s/MOTO/MOTU)
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> anyways, I have to wait until I open muon trunk, which means I have to make a 1.0.x branch, which means I have to wait until I can move it out of kdereview in 6 days
[16:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i can, will have to wait till sunday tho :P
[16:46] <shadeslayer> and more work can be done on tuesday.. holiday :P
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> But I'm not sure what junior jobs would be available, other than maybe coding the status bar
[16:47] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: anything will do :P
[16:48] <apachelogger> dpm: I have a feeling that rekonq will become un-defaulted though
[16:48] <dpm> apachelogger, why is that? And what's going to be the default, if that happens?
[16:49] <apachelogger> back to konqueror because rekonq is made out of crash
[16:49] <dpm> hm
[16:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im trying to fix rekonq whenever i haz the time ;)
[16:50] <shadeslayer> which is not alot these days seeing that my teachers are frickin loading me up with assignments
[16:50]  * apachelogger feels compelled to just switch to firefox so that kubuntu has a working browser just once
[17:02] <apachelogger> did something break in the kernel?
[17:03]  * apachelogger got loads and loads of traces when booting 
[17:03]  * apachelogger is now using windows :P
[17:03] <Riddell> I do too
[17:04] <apachelogger> hm
[17:04] <apachelogger> not good
[17:18] <Riddell> dpm: well I can't install from today's daily, it gives me a red screen with error in Catalan which I can't understand
[17:18] <Riddell> so I can't recreate your issue
[17:19] <dpm> Riddell, right, what was the error text and where did it appear?
[17:19] <Riddell> in the installer during main package install
[17:20] <dpm> can you do a screenshot if it is running in a VM?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: help!
[17:21] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/install.jpeg
[17:21] <shadeslayer> amarok cries with my ipod :(
[17:21] <shadeslayer> something about not being able to initialse it
[17:21] <shadeslayer> *initialize 
[17:22] <shadeslayer> :'( http://imgur.com/lwvUk
[17:23] <shadeslayer> and then going through the hoops i get http://imgur.com/TrhMC
[17:25]  * apachelogger declares maverick broken
[17:26]  * shadeslayer declares amarok broken
[17:26] <maco> Riddell: why is your vbox chinese?
[17:26] <apachelogger> ehm
[17:27] <apachelogger> failsafe
[17:27] <apachelogger> is a work of crossdesktopness
[17:27] <apachelogger> if it used gdm explicitly anymore I am sure we could sell it as upstream work
[17:29] <dpm> Riddell, here's the translation: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/481028/
[17:29] <Riddell> maco: the real question is why is my input not chinese :(
[17:29] <apachelogger> and the fact that my inputs are being rendered to death by Somethin in maverick does not make me happy
[17:29] <apachelogger> time to rant away
[17:29] <maco> Riddell: setting your reading language and your keyboard layout or IME are two different operations?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> debfx: wheres my amarok 2.3.2!!??
[17:36] <Riddell> ?
[17:36] <Riddell> see kubuntu.org
[17:37] <shadeslayer> ppa!!!!
[18:24] <Riddell> dantti_: kpackagekit has no translations?
[18:25] <Riddell> or rather, I packaged it from svn without translations, where can I get them?
[18:25] <dantti_> Riddell: I'll ask probably this weekend for it, since I broke many of them
[18:26] <dantti_> well normally the guy who package it for fedora give me the files he grabs from kde svn
[18:26] <Riddell> fair enough, extracting translations from svn can be fiddly
[18:27] <dantti_> I have now just 3 issues before I belive it's stable :P the hardest one is to fix KCMultiDialog
[18:27] <dantti_> which btw I don't know if I ask you to patch kde 4.5.0 or if I stay with an internally fixed version of it
[18:28] <dantti_> before it can go upstream
[18:29] <Riddell> dantti_: is that the same issue as k3b had?
[18:30] <dantti_> I'm not aware of it
[18:30] <dantti_> the issue is that this class if broken since I know it...
[18:30] <dantti_> it connects all KCM slots to the buttons so you click apply and it call save() in all of them :P
[18:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: presumably we don't need qapt-batch in the seeds?  it'll be brought in by whatever needs it
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Presumably.  (install-package was in the seed before qapt-batch, so I assumed there was a reason)
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> but if there's not, then it's not needed in the seed
[18:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: where are translations for qapt done?
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kde svn
[18:38] <JontheEchidna> It doesn't have any .desktop files, so the .po's shipped with the tarball have all the l10n-y goodness
[18:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: where is it in svn?
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kdereview (http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/kdereview/ for l10n)
[18:40] <Riddell> thanks
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> should move to extragear in a week tho
[18:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what about kcm-gtk, where are the translations from that?
[18:42] <Riddell> I see them in the package, where do they come from?
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> Those are stored in the source repository in bzr. They came from launchpad + people emailing them to me
[18:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so just use https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/kcm-gtk ?
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:50] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: any idea where kcm-touchpad gets its translations?
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> launchpad and people emailing the author, iirc
[18:53] <Riddell> kubuntu specific translations listed at bottom of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TranslationsDay
[18:53] <Riddell> let me know if you can think of any that are missed
[18:54] <Riddell> dpm: can we get those priorities in launchpad?
[18:54] <dpm> Riddell, sure, I need to go in a bit, but I'll take care of arranging them today
[18:55] <dpm> Riddell, after installing a few updates on that alternate iso system, the menus appear now translated. No idea what happened there
[18:55] <dpm> Also, the desktop entry for usb creator appears untranslated. Any ideas if it's handled differently from the one used in Ubuntu?
[18:56] <Riddell> shouldn't be
[18:57] <Riddell> but it's on the needs checking list in the wiki page above so I'll look at it later
[18:57]  * Riddell out
[18:57] <dpm> Riddell, ok, have a good weekend and see you on Monday
[18:59] <dpm> Does anyone know what's up with  qaptbatch? It's listed as Kubuntu-specific, but translators are asked to translate in SVN? Why can't the translations be fetched from LP and committed all at once? Not many Ubuntu translators have got upstream svn accounts
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: maverick is truly broken
[19:01] <apachelogger> told ya
[19:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: small rekonq update, were about to enter FF
[19:02] <shadeslayer> just deciding whether to put the bookmark star on the left or right :P
[19:03] <shadeslayer> AND... we might not have a 1.0 release... adjam is thinking of a 0.6 release 
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> dpm: Hmm, I wouldn't really call it Kubuntu-specific. Debian could package it if they wanted, too
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> obviously not during their freeze and all, but there's nothing stopping any debain-based distro from using it
[19:03] <dpm> where is the upstream?
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> inside kde svn
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/libqapt/ <- source code
[19:05] <dpm> right, then we should take it off that list
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> done
[19:06] <dpm> and what's up with qapt, same situation?
[19:06] <apachelogger> kde rev 995209
[19:07] <dpm> ah, I see, it's the same thing, sorry
[20:16] <dantti_> Riddell: and btw yesterday I fixed packagekit to emit the speed of downloads...  http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopq13253  and today I improved how aptcc emits installing packages :)
[20:47] <odla> may i ask what menu bar this is and is there a way to get this global bar on lucid? http://jontheechidna.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/oneperntoh.png
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> odla: plasma-widget-menubar. Not sure about it's lucid availability
[20:48] <odla> JontheEchidna: thanks ... does it work just with Qt or Qt, GTK, FF, and OO.org?
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> It should work with regular Qt and GTK. FF and OO.org have to be patched
[20:48] <odla> thanks
[20:49] <JontheEchidna> though I don't know if those apps have patches yet...
[21:06] <nigelb> gah, just when I looking for him... Johntheechidna...
[21:33] <ejat> apachelogger: will ya backport the ubuntuone-kde for lucid ? 
[22:19] <ScottK> ejat: No.  Too many incompatible changes in Ubuntu One packages.
[22:24] <maco> nigelb: we nicknamed him Jon the Taco at UDS Dallas
[22:25] <nigelb> maco: Noted for Future.  Why may I ask?
[22:26] <maco> nigelb: because for all of us who've had mexican food, "enchilada" is what we read "echidna" as at a glance, so someone (nixernal?) actually said "jon the enchilada" to refer to him. only, thats long to type, so we shortened it to an easier-to-type mexican food: tao
[22:26] <maco> *taco
[22:27] <maco> (and yet i still cant...)
[22:28] <nigelb> maco: hahaha
[22:28] <nigelb> you typed enchilada correct and screwed up taco.  the irony.
[22:28] <maco> i tend to misspell the last word before i hit enter
[22:29] <maco> because the rest of 'em i have time to backspace before i hit enter :P
[22:29] <nigelb> LOL
[22:51] <ejat> ScottK: thanks for da info .. so its mean .. all the dependecies are all in maverick .. rite?
[22:52] <ScottK> Yes, but I'm not familiar with the details.
[22:52] <ejat> its ok ..