=== root is now known as Guest95972 === em is now known as emma [02:03] Can someone help me find some information. I am sure it is documented somewhere but cant find anything. [02:05] !info info [02:05] info (source: texinfo): Standalone GNU Info documentation browser. In component main, is standard. Version 4.13a.dfsg.1-5ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 206 kB, installed size 396 kB === chipbennett_ is now known as chipbennett [03:11] Hi everyone [03:11] I'm having a problem with the twinview and wasn't able to find an answer to the problem on foruns [03:11] Can someone give me a help on this? [03:33] What's the reason for having dramatically decreased game performance in wine after updating karmic->lucid? [03:38] Is someone there? :) [03:42] !info tty [03:42] Package tty does not exist in lucid [03:49] ? [03:49] hi,here [04:10] What's the reason for having dramatically decreased game performance in wine after updating karmic->lucid? (I am using the same wine version as before) === harmandeep is now known as harmandeep_ === harmandeep_ is now known as harmandeep__ [04:25] guys need help with using SSH without PASSWORD authentication , as described here http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch17_:_Secure_Remote_Logins_and_File_Copying#Using_SSH_and_SCP_without_a_password .... but i am confused , whatif USERNAME on client SYSTEM ( who generated key pair ) is different than the USERNAME @ server machine === harmandeep__ is now known as harmandeep_ === harmandeep_ is now known as harmandeep [05:20] llkjlkjlkj [05:22] So, question. in kubuntu I can set up screen edges to show all active windows. Can that functionality happen in gnome [05:22] ? [05:25] maybe try in #ubuntu ? === dan___ is now known as Dan_L === dan___ is now known as Dan_L [05:37] I installed kubuntu desktop and decided I didnt want it. I did a remove + purge and autoremove, yet I still have kde-isms hanging around in gnome land, such as the mouse cursor and the 2 spinning balls and the font style. [05:37] how can I revert this back [05:42] Roasted, revert it back to KDE? Or revert it back to gnome? [05:42] Because you really should stick with KDE. :) [05:43] revert back to gnome [05:43] I'd love to use kde full time. [05:43] but it does a lot of things I just cant handle on a work laptop [05:43] such as not unmounting devices in dolphin (errors out no matter what usb drive I plug in) [05:43] sound is funky at times [05:43] guilty as charged, all counts. There's some quirkyness. [05:43] no OS is fool proof [05:44] but Ive had a more reliable experience on gnome [05:44] dont get me wrong tho. I fricken love kde. [05:44] but as a work laptop, sometimes requirements dictate certain DEs :P [05:44] I think I found out how to do this now. Theres a link on ubuntus site about going "pure gnome" [05:45] tbh, my 'work" machine (I do some freelancing) runs KDE with winxp in a vbox. So I'm hardly a purist. [05:45] I'm rereading the undo on the KDE stuff right now, it's been quite sometime since i"ve done so, because I am a total ktard. [05:53] !puregnome [05:53] If you want to remove all !Kubuntu packages or !Xubuntu packages and have a default !Ubuntu system, follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome [05:56] good morning [05:57] there is a command since karmic: add-apt-repository.. i have a karmic installation, but i can't found this command.. in which package is it integrated? [05:58] I think the command is apt-add-repository [06:05] so I got rid of kde on my ubuntu system and even used pure gnome, but I still have weird font in firefox and whatnot due to kde being installed [06:05] Im seriously about to do a fresh install cause Im sick of this, but is there any way I can get ALL of KDE's changes out of my system [06:05] its quite annoying === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:06] if puregnome didn't do it I can't suggest anything else - there is for reinstalls [06:06] !clone [06:06] To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate [06:08] wow [06:08] nice [06:08] never installing kde again [06:08] not even firefox preference changes with font makes a difference [06:08] even purged firefox's settings completely [06:11] tried renaming .mozilla? [06:12] yep [06:12] heck I even deleted .mozilla and created a new profile all together [06:13] I'm actually having a bizarre mozilla problem right now. I made my dad switch to linux. He had a problem with 'downloading codecs' if you know what I"m saying. [06:13] just going to do a reinstall and chalk this up to a lesson learned [06:13] leave kubuntu-desktop to a fresh kubuntu install and dont screw with crossing them over [06:13] there might be a clue at #mozilla [06:13] well_laid_lawn: which add-apt-repository /usr/bin/add-apt-repository [06:13] for whatever reason, he goes to the home depot site, searches for a product, search page renders without the results. It works in konqureror and it works on my kubuntu [06:14] noaXess: not add-apt but apt-add [06:14] noaXess: apt is the package manager you are working with [06:14] well_laid_lawn: ok.. also that.. but in which package is it.. cause i can't find it on that karmic machine [06:14] well_laid_lawn: i really know ;) [06:15] k [06:16] !find apt-add-repository [06:16] File apt-add-repository found in python-software-properties [06:16] noaXess: ^^ [06:16] well_laid_lawn: ok,, thanks [06:16] !info python-software-properties [06:16] python-software-properties (source: software-properties): manage the repositories that you install software from. In component main, is optional. Version 0.75.10 (lucid), package size 29 kB, installed size 1100 kB [06:16] !info python-software-properties karmic [06:16] python-software-properties (source: software-properties): manage the repositories that you install software from. In component main, is optional. Version 0.75.4 (karmic), package size 27 kB, installed size 1104 kB [06:17] well_laid_lawn: ok.. i see.. thanks again ;) [06:17] np :] [06:30] does anybody know the status of ch.archive.ubuntu.com? it's down.. yea.. but when will it come back [06:32] Dan_L: here prob doesn't have flash [06:32] !info flashplugin-nonfree [06:32] flashplugin-nonfree (source: flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin installer (transitional package). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10.1.82.76ubuntu0.10.04.2 (lucid), package size 2 kB, installed size 44 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 lpia) [06:36] well_laid_lawn: it doesn't seem to be a flash issue. (http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Search?keyword=caulk+gun&langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053) the items in the center of the page do not show up. At all. [06:36] The element is there---it's just empty. [06:36] As an aside: Project Dad On Linux is otherwise working really well. [06:38] heh [06:38] it is a resource heavy site so could his connection speed play a part? [06:39] I don't believe so. His cable modem seems to handle everything else fine. [06:40] it runs ok in Konqueror. [06:40] It's a mozilla specific problem, I just brought it up here ot out of frustration. [06:40] that's a strange one - you could try renamimg .mozilla so firefox starts with the defaults again [06:43] How can I reset the taskbar? [06:43] Its mixing up all open applications [06:44] I wonder if [06:44] !resetpanel [06:44] To reset the panel to defaults, type this in a !terminal: « gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel » [06:44] yep -it's for gnome [06:45] yeah but kubuntu is kde :/ [06:45] I love kde but the taskbar is annoying [06:46] Solow: you can pretty much make it do whatever you want [06:46] how is it mixing up all open applications ? [06:46] Well, it starts nicely [06:46] [ app ] [ app ] [06:46] but after a while it starts to do this [06:46] [ ap[ app ]p ] [06:47] of [06:47] Solow: have you enabled compositing? [06:47] Solow: try to disable desktop effects and test [06:47] [ ap [ a p ] pp ] [06:48] compositing? [06:48] Solow: system settings / desktop / effects.. [06:48] Where are the desktop effects located at? I couldnt find the theme manager the other day [06:48] Solow: ^^ [06:49] Solow: lemme share a lil tip. Use the keystroke launcher for _everything_. If you don't know where it is, it will just find it [06:49] compositing is disabled [06:49] Dan_L, keystrok launcher? [06:49] Solow: also desktop effects.. hm.. [06:49] guys, in what instances would i be prompted to enter GPG KEY PASSPHRASE ... ? would i be asked everytime i use mine GPG PRIVATE key ??? [06:50] no desktop effects is enabled [06:50] should I disable it? [06:50] Solow: Krunner. Alt+f2 by default, I believe. [06:51] ah crap [06:51] seriously, what is compositing? [06:52] it said it was suspended by another application [06:52] and now my taskbar is gone [06:53] all it does, is change the color of my taskbar. [06:53] it just came back [06:53] Dan_L, Thanks, cool :) [06:57] I seriously want to know wth is wrong with my taskbar :/ [06:58] I'm thinking hardware issue if it starts ok then goes bad - what driver you using for the graphics card? [06:59] hardware issues? [06:59] I went here from ubuntu, didnt have a single problem with ubuntu [06:59] Kubuntu is KDE ontop of Ubuntu, yes or no? [06:59] besides, its not a hardware problem, its a software problem [06:59] yes [07:00] Why has my computer been slow since the install of KDE [07:00] well, a bit mote [07:00] but basically [07:00] my specs are enormous. KDE should not be a problem [07:00] Mine is starting to become slow as well [07:00] It started off perfectly [07:00] is this because of a recent update? [07:00] yeah [07:00] i will uninstall it immediately [07:01] Slow ???? well my comp was Slow woth Ubuntu (Gnome).... now with Kubuntu it flyes..... like having XFCE or something similar [07:02] Well it is true that gnome is a tad faster that kde but, it makes no sense [07:02] Overall, ubuntu is very lightweight compared to windows [07:03] Windows runs smoothly, and kubuntu does all this weird shit [07:03] I THINK I THINK..... the Gnome in the lates Ubuntu... is sort of broken.... and that is why KDE is faster now.... [07:03] I have here both.... Windows 7 and Kubuntu.... and Kubuntu is good as Windows 7 [07:03] poseidon2010, Gnome aint broken, its working perfectly fine. [07:04] well....... it was slower for me.... than Kde [07:04] I've installed kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu 10.04 though [07:04] All I know, is that the KDE session is killing me [07:05] and that this is a software issue [07:05] I wish I had the time..... [07:05] I had Ubuntu...... and then I just wiped out everything and installed Kubuntu.... I am happy with this KDE [07:05] Solow: Have you tried removing and re-adding the task manager widget? If you want to mess with the config file: All settings regarding panel applets are stored in plasma-desktop-appletsrc [07:05] wea0, I've done that, multiple times [07:06] I had Kubuntu karmic and everything was fine. Then I upgraded to lucid and everything is slow... [07:06] Solow, maybe maybe u should just install Kubuntu from sctrach.....and save headaches... [07:06] poseidon2010, why? ubuntu 10.04 was running just fine, all i did was give it a new shell [07:07] so the headache aint because of the new shell [07:07] Dunno my friend [07:07] So re-installing is pointless [07:07] I just headed in the safest direction.... Install Kubuntu..... [07:07] I took a screenshot of my system monitor. Why has KDE slowed down my computer since the install? http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/3957/kdeslowness.png [07:07] This IS kubuntu [07:08] this Spubuntu. Sparta? no [07:08] can you help :( [07:08] KDE is Kubuntu. or KDe on Ubuntu == KUBuntu [07:09] :( I was slow with Ubuntu (Gnome) and now with Kubuntu I am fine... I am runnning like 7 VMachines..... [07:10] could this be related to canceling a system test ? i had to like reboot because it never stopped gathering data [07:10] no idea hoober [07:11] poseidon2010, stop the freakin promoting m8 [07:11] We're already using kubuntu [07:11] hoober: what was the test you cacelled ? [07:11] so unless you have something useful, please shut it. [07:11] yes sir [07:12] play nice everyone pls [07:12] I'm just freaking out because of this :p [07:12] i will look [07:12] I love kubuntu, I do, It's just starting to get annoying [07:12] on KDE the name is just System Testing [07:12] hoober: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/556636 ? [07:12] Launchpad bug 556636 in checkbox (Ubuntu) "Program backend consumes more than 90% CPU after System Testing (dup-of: 553328)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:12] Launchpad bug 553328 in checkbox (Ubuntu Lucid) "Backend does not get terminated" [Undecided,In progress] [07:13] cool [07:13] i am not alone :) [07:14] try "sudo killall -9 backend" and see whether it helps. [07:14] wow [07:14] that's a kill [07:15] without a new launch, or reset even it will kill the backend applications right? [07:16] Anyone...... has tried FAI with Ubuntu ? Thanks... [07:19] hello [07:19] i just realized i see no process stealing 90% of my cpu [07:19] so what else could cause the slowdown [07:20] or do you have that launchpad link again [07:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/556636 [07:20] Launchpad bug 556636 in checkbox (Ubuntu) "Program backend consumes more than 90% CPU after System Testing (dup-of: 553328)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:20] Launchpad bug 553328 in checkbox (Ubuntu Lucid) "Backend does not get terminated" [Undecided,In progress] [07:21] ty [07:21] Ummmmmm....Flash-plugin is a KILLER [07:21] it eats CPU like crazy [07:21] I don't have that problem either, still... my system feels much slower than before the upgrade. [07:22] wea0, did you see my screenshot? i can't find the backend program name [07:22] I cant enable desktop effects anymore [07:23] is it normal for root to have 1% cpu and all others be asleep [07:24] alot of services run under root [07:24] lets say..... that u should have like an uptime smaller than 1 ...... [07:24] so [07:24] i need to reboot once a day [07:24] ? [07:25] unless u are running some background program.... or listening to music... etc etc [07:25] xorg and ksoftirq have been up longest [07:25] I think he means the load average displayed by uptime? [07:26] i will try runnign a system clean [07:26] then doing system test [07:26] and reboot [07:26] u can even try to kill the KDE desktop.... and just from console see ur uptime... [07:28] Anyway, my whole system feels sluggish since lucid. [07:28] Ok kubuntu has some serious issues... [07:28] Is it normal that simple things like repeatedly min/maximizing a window causes ~50% CPU usage? Could anyone running kubuntu lucid on recent hardware check this out for me? [07:28] it just signed me out [07:28] solow, what issues? [07:28] oh [07:29] and now it runs smooth again [07:29] Which is great, except for the fact I just lost 2 hours of work [07:29] you scare me solow. i might go back to gnome until people say KDE is safe [07:29] wea0, recente hardware here.... 5 VM ...... nothing bigger than 10% CPU [07:30] bryan_r59, I've gone to KDE 3 days ago. I like it, but it looks a bit unstable [07:30] Im not scared :) [07:31] no, you're a god. [07:31] KDE seems like it has very useful utilities and the GUI looks nice. but from Gnome to it, I have really lost production speed [07:32] It seems to have a lot of windows functionality [07:32] like becoming slower after a while :p [07:33] well.... true.... it gets slower.... after I do HIbernate or make Sleep the machine..... [07:33] poseidon2010, doesnt that seem weird to you? [07:33] Thats something microshit windoze does [07:33] Sort of...... [07:34] it goes against all laws of linux [07:34] In my case [07:34] linux should be lightweight, yet kick ass. [07:34] I blame the Virtual Machines...... I was running Windows 7 insde one of them....... [07:34] windows 7 is actually pretty stable [07:34] And the fact it slows down, is just wrong [07:34] and it was fine..... but after the SLEEP it woke up like a DRINK machine :P [07:35] drunk* [07:35] My machine is a pc on steroids [07:35] this shouldnt be happening [07:35] kde has some issues [07:35] do u have as well W 7 in that machine ? [07:35] it has great potential, but some serious issues [07:35] poseidon2010, on a vm yes [07:35] I need photoshit [07:35] hehehe [07:36] but I mean.... as the real OS.... Windows 7 .... Dual system ? [07:36] no [07:36] I dont do dual boot [07:36] I hate dual boot. [07:36] fine [07:36] I only need linux. And photoshop, so I'm using a stripped down version of windows [07:37] hold on..... [07:37] and please, why all the dots? [07:37] where's pacman when you need him [07:37] I noticed a great deal of improvement after I upgraded to the LATEST kernel.... [07:37] (< [07:38] How many hours do I have to wait before System Testing finishes? [07:38] !enter | solow [07:38] solow: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [07:38] bryan_r59: system testing? [07:38] jussi, seriously? where did I go overboard. [07:39] Jussi, i found it on KDE [07:39] I'm trying to function normally on 1.5 hours of sleep, it's really not that easy :p [07:40] well.... a pint of beer will always help..... or not... :P [07:41] maybe.......not.....becau...se.......beer.............makes....me...............sloooow........ ....... [07:41] :) [07:42] ( < . . . . . . . . . . . === emma is now known as em [07:45] em, hi [07:45] em, how long should i wait for system testing? KDE has this application, i want to see waht it does. but so far it just gathers info for a very long time [07:46] i am feeling uneasy [07:46] please answer me [07:47] dont understand..... how did you get into that system testing ? [07:49] bryan , are u still with us ? [07:49] !checkbox [07:50] https://launchpad.net/checkbox [07:50] poseidon2010: I think that's what he's running. [07:52] weao, ok...... but well hes not with us any more.... [08:01] Hello [08:02] yello [08:02] I'm trying to do a software update and for some reason it shows me I have 141 blocked updates [08:02] what should I do? [08:03] the new kde version is also blocked there [08:05] Good Night People.... [08:06] buckfast: You might need to do a dist-upgrade instead of a normal upgrade? [08:06] wea0: but I already have the newest version of the kubuntu distro [08:06] A "blocked update" is often reported by the apt update system used (mostly) by distributions in the Debian family, and usually means that the (proposed) update would install a newer version of a library that's used by a program you've already installed, and that the installed program has not been tested with the newer version of the library. So the update is "blocked" 'til the testing is finished. (The "block" can also go the o [08:06] ther way: a new version of a program may require a newer library, and the library may still be in the "testing" repository, so the update is "blocked" 'till the library is available.) [08:07] a quote from http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/blocked-updates-733914/ [08:09] so updating in this case is not recommended? [08:10] it means you can update stuff if it won't wreck something else [08:11] else an update will be blocked 'till it won't wreck other things [08:12] it would be nice if apt said at the end the apps were blocked because of version conflicts [08:14] buckfast: What exactly are you trying to update anyway? Are you trying to install kde4.5 on kubuntu lucid? [08:16] Dolphin isent remembering preview settings for some folders? :( [08:19] ezra_: some folders? - which ones? [08:19] ezra_: Might that be related to you not having write access in those directories? [08:19] any now, a few worked but I dont think it saves anymore now. Such as the sub folders of home>documents [08:20] well.. its my home dir... so.. if I dont have acces... then something weirds going on... [08:23] ezra_: to check if you own all the files in your home dir you could run in konsole ls -l ~ | grep -v [08:23] ezra_: Dolphin uses a hidden file named ".directory" to store those settings. Navigate to a folder where it doesn't work and examine whether that file exists, whether you have write access and whether it has a "ViewMode=" line inside. [08:23] wea0: yes, the kde update is blocked, but there could be other packages [08:24] buckfast: In that case you will most likely need apt-get dist-upgrade for it to succeed; however be careful as you might run into bug 615865. [08:24] Launchpad bug 615865 in Kubuntu PPA "Blackscreen after login, after update to kde 4.5" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615865 [08:25] damn bugs [08:25] you know that you use 4.5 at your own risk don't you - not for production machines [08:25] !ppa [08:25] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk. [08:26] it's my desktop comp, but I still don't want to mess it up [08:27] you should be aware that using the latest and greatist comes with a risk is all [08:28] the kde version in the stable lucid still crashed for me sometimes [08:28] and seemed buggy [08:28] so that's why I updated [08:28] I would think that you will be fine as long as you make sure to reinstall the kubuntu-desktop package, if it gets removed by the dist-upgrade. I would not vouch for that however. [08:28] That worked for me though. [08:28] Nepomuk zombies are fixed in KDE 4.5 [08:29] For blocked update to KDE 4.5, see bug 615902 [08:29] Launchpad bug 615902 in Kubuntu PPA "Upgrade to KDE SC 4.5 blocked" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615902 [08:29] buckfast: you were worried about the blocked updates - that's 'cause you installed 4.5 and there are lib versions clashes between it and 4.4 [08:30] okay, maybe I'll just wait until they fix their mishap [08:30] well_laid_lawn: I didn't install 4.5 yet [08:30] it's blocked [08:30] wea0: .directory exists, but ViewMode= is not in it [08:30] buckfast: sorry - don't know why I thought that then... :] [08:31] instlling 4.5 dosent indeed break kubuntu [08:31] does* [08:32] ok, good to know =) [08:32] it doesn't - just needs some extra maintenance and not alot of 4.4 apps to conflict with [08:33] true [08:33] Some bugs are fixed, some new ones are introduces, but it's installable. [08:34] I think I'll stick with the old ppa version at the moment [08:34] for some reason i thought 4.5 was stable. 95% of the way though installing I noticed the "In development trunk" uh oh.... [08:34] Bye, bye printer applet [08:34] KDE 4.5 is declared stable, but it uses Qt 4.7 beta [08:35] where's it declared stable? [08:35] ezra_: Try adding a [Dolphin] section (if that doesn't exist yet) and under that add ViewMode=1 [08:35] http://www.kde.org [08:35] k [08:35] Thats for detail viev. ViewMode=2 is comumns view === Guest12710 is now known as LjL-Temp [08:36] wea0: sigh, i'll try that next time.. unless theres a way to restore the system to before i installed 4.5, I need to reinstall again. Dolphin is unusable [08:36] While focus within this release cycle lay on stability... === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest34934 [08:37] ezra: I don't notice any problems with Dolphin. Are you sure you have all packages? To check: $ sudo aptitude install [08:38] well_laid_lawn: That's a common mistake. LTS means ' longer support', not 'more stable'. [08:38] i dont, the blocked updates still remain uninstalled [08:38] Overall I have to say I like 4.5 much better than 4.4, because it no longer has stupid bugs like the mouse wheel scrolling in the wrong direction on the taskmanager, and activities are actually useful now, and oxygen-settings [08:38] ezra_: In that case, see the workaround in bug 615902 (keep running $ sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade until done [08:38] Launchpad bug 615902 in Kubuntu PPA "Upgrade to KDE SC 4.5 blocked" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615902 [08:39] alvin: ok [08:39] alvin: konquera also broken.. anything to be launched is broken lol [08:40] Hey folks. [08:40] * ezra_ passes the cookies to Erthe [08:40] definitely a failure update then [08:40] does more harm than good [08:40] Afterwards, you can clean your system with aptitude in a few steps: [# aptitude install] to see the conflicts. Now for every package that says [not installed], uninstall it! [# aptitude purge freespacenotifier] and so on. Do this until [#aptitude install] doesn't complain anymore. Make sure you keep kubuntu-desktop [08:40] I just added the source for backports for KDE 4.5 and all the updates were blocked. [08:40] alvin: that was a quote from the website [08:41] ezra_: Yeah, I'd try to go through with te update; and when you're done make asolutely sure that kubuntu-desktop is installed, or you won't be able to ligin next time. [08:41] Running 10.04 [08:41] well_laid_lawn: What website? [08:41] Erthe: Yes. [08:41] Erthe: yeah we're just discussing that [08:41] wea0: okie dokie [08:41] Oh. [08:41] Erthe: kDE 4.5 is a failure [08:41] Erthe: It will mess up your system [08:41] buckfast: Well, the packaging maybe, I'm sure KDE 4.5 is fine :D [08:41] Erthe: bug 615902, bug 615865 [08:41] Launchpad bug 615902 in Kubuntu PPA "Upgrade to KDE SC 4.5 blocked" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615902 [08:41] no, just the packages. There are several valid reasons. [08:41] Launchpad bug 615865 in Kubuntu PPA "Blackscreen after login, after update to kde 4.5" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615865 [08:42] http://www.kde.org [08:43] well_laid_lawn: Ah, now I see. I thought you meant Lucid. [08:44] I actually find KDE 4.5 more stable. Some things are broken because of Qt beta (krdc) and python (printer-applet), but nepomuk doesn't want to eat brains anymore. [08:44] alvin: How'd you get it to install? [08:44] Erthe: See above bug [08:44] How'd you get beyond the KDm issue? [08:45] Now, if only they'd fix the NFS kioslave in such a 'focus on stability release'. [08:45] Erthe: What kdm issue? (I know there are issues, but which one are you referring to) [08:45] Everyone's reporting that after doing full-upgrade KDM is blank [08:45] That's because their upgrade is not complete [08:46] You have to do dist-upgrade --force several times until completed [08:46] So full-upgrade will work? [08:46] Oh [08:46] no, aptitude will notice too much dependency problems [08:46] I prefer aptitude myself, but you have to go woth apt-get this time [08:47] --force is not an option to apt-get [08:47] -f then [08:47] alvin: so despite what aptitude install says, ONLY uninstall the ones that say [not installed] ? [08:47] (note that aptitude will be removed in the next version of Ubuntu) [08:47] ezra_: Ah, that's after the upgrade itself. [08:47] And yes. I think it's freespacenotifier and another [08:47] do them one by one [08:47]