[00:50] <SpamapS> wow.. gluster.. really sucks in per-char io mode
[00:57] <robertpayne> Will a *.domain.com dns record catch www.domain.com as well? I noticed my old host automatically added a dns record for www.domain.com on top of the *.domain.com was curious if any reason for it
[00:59] <smw> * should include www
[00:59] <robertpayne> smw: I figured as much just unsure why host added it as a seperate entry..
[00:59] <robertpayne> thx :)
[01:56] <kakis> hello
[01:57] <smw> !hi | kakis
[01:57] <smw> lol
[02:04] <kirkland> hggdh: i'm merging 1232 now
[02:07] <kirkland> hggdh: make that 1233
[02:16] <hggdh> kirkland: I tried, but got stuck on how to create the package from the bzr
[02:17] <pmatulis> how can i find out what package created a specific group?
[02:17] <pmatulis> the group is 'ssl-cert'
[02:18] <pmatulis> ssl-cert package?
[02:19] <kirkland> hggdh: let me show you ...
[02:21] <hggdh> pmatulis: how to find a group... I do not know, it is probably being created on a post-install. But ssl-cert as a package is a nice bet
[02:21] <kirkland> hggdh: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/ubuntu/maverick/eucalyptus/2.0/annotate/head:/debian/README.ubuntu-merging
[02:21] <kirkland> hggdh: that doc tells you everything you need to know :-)
[02:22] <kirkland> hggdh: you can copy and paste those commands almost verbatim
[02:22] <hggdh> kirkland: thanks. Next time I hope I will be able to gwt it done on my own, and free you folks
[02:22] <kirkland> hggdh: and I have uploaded ../eucalyptus_2.0~bzr1233-0ubuntu1_source.changes now
[02:22] <kirkland> hggdh: heh, we're here to help one another
[02:23] <hggdh> kirkland: exactly. I need to do my part of 'helping one another' ;-)
[02:23] <kirkland> hggdh: oh, BS ... you're kicking butt and taking names
[02:23]  * hggdh blushes
[02:27] <kirkland> hggdh: anything else you need from me?
[02:27] <kirkland> hggdh: i'm about to call it an evening
[02:28] <hggdh> kirkland: go for it
[02:39] <allquixotic> Is there any tool I can use (preferably, graphical or web based) that will make bridged networking slightly less of a messy hassle for KVM guests? I always end up breaking my host's networking whenever I mess with brctl etc, and that's a royal pain because I don't have physical access to the box (it's hosted).
[03:29] <ryanakca> ScottK: Finally got a CD image that a) existed and b) worked. It's installed, I'll tinker with Kolab tomorrow night or Saturday.
[03:59] <ScottK> ryanakca: Great.  I'll be offline most of the weekend, so we'll probably need to catch up next week.  dovecot-metadata-plugin is the plugin that's supposed to be all you need to get it working with dovecot.
[04:19] <mathiaz> zul: hey
[04:20] <mathiaz> zul: is there a list of bugs related to the upstart conversion?
[04:20] <mathiaz> zul: the spec status says that it's currently blocked on review
[05:09] <anthony_> guy's do you know a program that will help. defragment my hard drive. it is a ntfs. pls guys help me.
[05:15] <twb> anthony_: I believe Windows can do that.
[05:16] <ogex> anthony_: run chkdsk on windows
[05:19] <anthony_> ogex: you mean we dont have the tool to deframent a ntfs partition.
[05:19] <ogex> run chkdsk first n then we see next
[05:21] <anthony_> ogex: how will i run that on linux or windows. i don't have an idea. pls help.
[05:21] <ogex> ?
[05:22] <ogex> u use dual boot with grub linux boot loader /
[05:22] <ogex> ?
[05:22] <anthony_> yap
[05:23] <ogex> can u use windows now ?
[05:24] <anthony_> yes i can. do just that. so how will i run. chkdsk
[05:25] <ogex> open command prompt
[05:25] <ogex> u must join other channel :D
[05:25] <ogex> this in ubuntuers channel right ?
[05:25] <ogex> xixixi
[05:28] <anthony_> i don't have an idea.
[05:54] <twb> This channel is for discussion of Ubuntu server issues.
[06:16] <sailerboy> i get this error running supybot
[06:16] <sailerboy> OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/logs'
[06:17] <twb> Sounds like you've managed to set its working directory to the empty string
[06:18] <sailerboy> erm?
[06:18] <glick> hey why does lucid use such an old version of mod_wsgi
[06:18] <glick> 2.8
[06:18] <glick> when 3.3 is out
[06:18] <sailerboy> so what do i do?
[06:19] <sailerboy> twb,
[06:20] <twb> sailerboy: talk to the supybot people, I guess
[06:20] <sailerboy> it's in /home/sailerboy/RainBot
[06:21] <twb> glick: because Lucid is released.  That means it's stable; it doesn't change.
[06:21] <sailerboy> twb, it seems that supybot is trying to edit messages.log but isnt allowed to
[06:21] <sailerboy> how do i allow access?
[06:22] <twb> glick: if you want new features (and the concommittant new bugs), migrate to the unreleased version of Ubuntu (currently maverick).
[06:22] <twb> sailerboy: I don't know, nor care.
[06:22] <twb> sailerboy: ask #supybot
[06:33] <alex88> morning
[06:50] <alex88> !brain
[06:58] <corpse> Hey, i just got a wireless card working on my server, but for some reason my speeds are incredibly slow. downloading from an outside server i am getting 10kbps when if wired i get 1.6mb. any ideas?
[07:04] <\sh> fross: bad signal quality of your wifi?
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> Hey guys. When I input text to the tty (even at the local system), the text starts typing over itself and text appears to append to the prompt but if I hit CTRL+L its fine again but not for long
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> Is this a known issue?
[07:27] <alex88> never heard about that
[07:28] <ActionParsnip> Not tried last nights kernel update yet but will be tonight
[07:40] <\sh> people, does anyone have a solution to the problem I blogged about on http://www.shermann.name/2010/08/openldap-passwd-and-crypt-passwords.html  it would be interesting to hear your opinions and thoughts on this
[08:04] <binBASH> Moin \sh
[08:06] <\sh> moins binBASH
[08:07] <binBASH> strange issue what you wrote in your blog
[08:14] <\sh> binBASH: yes.
[08:32] <glick> excuse me, whats the deifference between postfix and dovecroft?
[08:33] <soren> glick: You mean dovecot?
[08:33] <glick> yeah thats it, lol dovecroft is a soap
[08:33] <soren> postfix is an smtp server. dovecot is a pop3/imap server.
[08:35] <glick> so postfix sends and recieves email, and dovcot allows you to retrieve it and send it with clients, and to create mailboxes, and folders and such?
[08:38] <qman__> dovecot only does the retrieval to clients
[08:38] <qman__> smtp does all sending, and receiving from other mail servers
[08:38] <glick> i see
[08:39] <glick> in my postfix config i have myhostname = mail.something.com
[08:40] <glick> and then mydestination = something.com, localhost
[08:40] <glick> but the actual machine its on is the same as my www server
[08:40] <glick> www.something.com
[08:40] <glick> i want emails to be sent and recieved from someone@something.com
[08:40] <glick> not someone@mail.something.com
[08:41] <qman__> then the mailname should be something.com
[08:41] <glick> qman__, you mean the hostname?
[08:44] <qman__> not exactly
[08:44] <qman__> but changing that will cause it
[08:45] <qman__> mail configuration can be very complicated, and that's just one example of how
[09:06] <glick> how should i set this up, my postfix install, basically i want it to be able to send email to anywhere, but only recieve email from the localhost(i have a webapp that generates the emails from a contact form)
[09:27] <glick> does postfix run chrooted by default?
[09:28] <glick> on buntu
[09:32] <robertpayne> ps aux only shows started processes correct?
[09:43] <ND-movie> hey guys
[09:43] <ND-movie> i'm having a permissions problem
[09:43] <ND-movie> i'm trying to create a folder in whic ha user could read, write but not delete
[09:43] <ND-movie> any help?
[09:45] <robertpayne> uhh
[09:46] <robertpayne> that they own?
[09:46] <robertpayne> or is it ok if it's owned by root and group is set to them?
[09:46] <robertpayne> it's just chmod stuff
[09:48] <a_ok> How can I view all user installed applications?
[09:49] <a_ok> I'm going to move from 32 bit to 64 buty
[09:49] <a_ok> bit*
[10:01] <g0rd0n> a_ok: you mean dpkg -l ?
[10:01] <a_ok> g0rd0n: no, that shows all installed packages
[10:02] <a_ok> I don't want the deps
[10:02] <a_ok> and not the base packages either if I can help it
[10:32] <robertpayne> do all scripts inside /etc/init.d get run on start if they are chmod 755?
[10:33] <ghostlines> hmmm I would think so
[10:34] <robertpayne> hmm having problems with one of them starting up :(
[10:34] <ghostlines> you made this initscript yourself?
[10:35] <robertpayne> yeah copied nginx's as reference didn't change much
[10:35] <robertpayne> it works from command line
[10:38] <ghostlines> real strange then
[10:38] <robertpayne> ghostlines: yeah :(
[10:39] <RoyK> robertpayne: the scripts need to be symlinked to the appropriate rcn.d dir
[10:39] <RoyK> where n is the runlevel
[10:39] <RoyK> normally 2
[10:40] <robertpayne> RoyK: thx
[10:40] <RoyK> ls -l /etc/rc2.d
[10:41] <robertpayne> RoyK: is the rc# the order it boots the scripts? I'm a little confused about that
[10:41] <robertpayne> RoyK: like I see nginx in all of the rcX.d folders in /etc
[10:42] <RoyK> robertpayne: no, rc2.d means 'run this when entereing runlevel 2'
[10:43] <RoyK> S* means start - K* means kill
[10:43] <robertpayne> RoyK: ahhh
[10:43] <RoyK> so just add a symlink to rc2.d
[10:43] <RoyK> given you're on runlevel 2
[10:43] <RoyK> which is the normal in ubuntu
[10:44] <robertpayne> RoyK: ok any information about the other runlevels? Just curious as to the technical details of different run levels
[10:45] <RoyK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel
[10:45] <robertpayne> RoyK: thanks a ton
[10:50] <robertpayne> RoyK: works beautifully! thx again
[10:51] <RoyK> np
[11:13] <ghostlines> enabling ssl on apache with a2enmod ssl, should be enough to allow ssl to work with the default snake oil certifcate right? But can't seem to get it working
[11:22] <alex88> how do i set locales?
[11:23] <xperia> hello to all. i need help with restarting mysql on my ubuntu server. i hod some mysql attack becouse i host simple mashine forum on the server and now the mysql server cant restart.
[11:23] <xperia> syslog has this lines here
[11:23] <xperia> Aug 20 11:30:41 /etc/init.d/mysql[7758]: 0 processes alive and '/usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf ping' resulted in
[11:23] <xperia> Aug 20 11:30:41 /etc/init.d/mysql[7758]: ^G/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[11:23] <xperia> Looks like the demon cant start.
[11:23] <xperia> Have reinstalled mysql and still nothing helps
[12:14] <adhorden> Hi all, we are having a debate in the office, what should the swap space be on a 16 gig of memory box? I went with atleast 4 gig.
[12:20] <binBASH> it depends on which applications you run and how much ram they take
[12:21] <binBASH> simple: If all your apps take the ram system will swap. If there's no swap left you will be introduced to the OOM killer :)
[12:22] <adhorden> Its a large database server, running on Postgres
[12:23] <adhorden> I wanted to make it 4 gig swap, but at the moment its set at 2 gig, but we are flatening it this afternoon to start fresh with a 64bit os
[12:24] <binBASH> and what is current swap usage?
[12:24] <binBASH> and which value shows cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness ?
[12:25] <adhorden> at load I have seen it eating 1 gig of swap but the system has 4 gig of mem at the moment I was putting in 16 gig this afternoon
[12:25] <binBASH> ok
[12:25] <adhorden> at the moment with 4 gig I get a swappiness of 60
[12:25] <alex88> have you really seen swap used? i've 2gb ram and it's always at 0
[12:25] <binBASH> alex88: you are lucky :D
[12:25] <xampart> is it a bad policy to keep swap 1.5 times as big as physical?
[12:25] <adhorden> yes I see it regually
[12:26] <adhorden> but in this case should we increase the swap?
[12:26] <adhorden> at load we get a swapiness of 40
[12:27] <binBASH> how you measured swappiness of 40?
[12:27] <alex88> that's why i've removed. :)
[12:28] <adhorden> sorry its set at 40
[12:28] <binBASH> :)
[12:28] <adhorden> long day!
[12:28] <binBASH> so it means 40% will be os cache
[12:28] <alex88> if i've set lang=it_it, how can i use apt-get in english for 1 time?
[12:28] <binBASH> here I set swappiness to 0
[12:28] <binBASH> mysql at least doesn't like swap usage at all
[12:29] <binBASH> for safety I have swap partition which is same size as the server ram
[12:29] <adhorden> binBASH, in our case there are arguments for increasing it and decreasing it, should we jsut go with 4 gig as I recomended or keep it at 2 gig?
[12:29] <adhorden> I mean whats the harm of increasing swap? I cannot see any
[12:29] <binBASH> adhorden: There is no harm
[12:29] <binBASH> The system should not swap at all.
[12:30] <adhorden> Is there any aregument for removing it?
[12:30] <adhorden> I do not want to end up in the relaims of OOM killer
[12:30] <binBASH> :)
[12:31] <binBASH> I think there is no reason to remove it. If it doesn't get used at all there is no harm.
[12:31]  * Patrickdk is lazy :)
[12:31] <binBASH> Patrickdk news?
[12:32] <binBASH> :)
[12:32] <Patrickdk> these days I say screw it and just setup a 25gig swap
[12:32] <binBASH> Well, diskspace is inexpensive
[12:32] <Patrickdk> I mainly do that for hibernation
[12:32] <Patrickdk> incase I loose power here at home
[12:32] <adhorden> thanks guys this is an argument that has been going around the office for two days now
[12:33] <adhorden> no one seems to be able to put in a good technical argument
[12:33] <Patrickdk> my servers in datacenters, I vary swap size, many systems I just do 512megs
[12:33] <binBASH> adhorden: Using no swap is like driving car without airbag ;)
[12:33] <adhorden> this is a production server postgres running in a datacenter
[12:34] <Patrickdk> binbash, dunno about airbags, but maybe seatbelts
[12:34] <Patrickdk> you normally fine without it, but sometimes :)
[12:34] <binBASH> yup
[12:34] <binBASH> :)
[12:34] <binBASH> Never say never
[12:35] <adhorden> So if there is no swap we are basically in the shit, with 2 gig we should be ok, but 4 - 8 gig would be ideal and to be safe 16 gig so it matches system memory?
[12:35] <binBASH> If you don't have problem with server downtimes you can disable swap surely :)
[12:35] <Patrickdk> adhorden, system swap = mem size is normally not needed
[12:35] <Patrickdk> you just need as much swap, as you want protection :)
[12:35] <adhorden> binBASH a few people might get angry with downtime, we have lots of it at the moment as we keep running out of memory hence why I am off to stick in 16 gigs later
[12:35] <Patrickdk> if a program goes nuts
[12:35] <Patrickdk> 2swap might be fine, 4might, or 16might
[12:36] <Patrickdk> it depends on the program and how it goes nuts
[12:36] <Patrickdk> hell, you might need 100gigs to protect it
[12:36] <Patrickdk> but normally at some point, the disk i/o is going way out weigh any swap size you give it
[12:36] <Patrickdk> cause it will become unusable anyways
[12:37] <adhorden> its a postgres server running on ubuntu-server at the moment
[12:37] <adhorden> the only thing running is postgres
[12:37] <Patrickdk> I personally would say, if you sould never use swap, and you don't plan to ever hibernate, 2-4gigs should be enough
[12:37] <Patrickdk> hibernate, swap=mem, has to be
[12:37] <adhorden> this is a server so I doubt we are going to be hybernating it
[12:38] <Patrickdk> well, lets say this
[12:38] <Patrickdk> at 4gigs swap, and disk write speed of 100mb/s
[12:38] <Patrickdk> that says the system will be unusable for 40seconds if it goes nuts
[12:38] <Patrickdk> 8gigs would be up to 80seconds
[12:39] <Patrickdk> at what point do you not care if it's unusable?
[12:39] <binBASH> Unusable? :D
[12:39] <Patrickdk> system is too busy swapping to do anything else, like ssh
[12:39] <Patrickdk> have it happen several times
[12:40] <binBASH> hmm ok, never had this :D
[12:40] <binBASH> here it had things like, oom killer killed sshd or mysqld
[12:40] <Patrickdk> I haven't had that
[12:41] <Patrickdk> but generally I will reboot the system if it gets bad
[12:41] <Patrickdk> when I can't get into it for >5min
[12:41] <binBASH> sure ;)
[12:41] <Patrickdk> and at 512megs swap, that happened several times
[12:41] <Patrickdk> cause the disk was busy doing many other things that just swap at the time
[12:41] <binBASH> Here I look at KVM console first
[12:41] <binBASH> if there is no chance -> reboot
[12:42] <Patrickdk> mine are normally related to forkbombs
[12:42] <binBASH> adhorden: I would btw. never go higher than 8GB swap
[12:43] <Patrickdk> oh, and if your on 32bit, you can't go over 4gig anyways
[12:43] <binBASH> If you need 8 GB swap at all, there is something seriously wrong
[12:43] <Patrickdk> oh, maybe you can now
[12:43] <Patrickdk> heh
[12:43] <binBASH> :)
[12:44] <Patrickdk> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[12:44] <Patrickdk> /dev/mapper/crypt640a-swap              partition	25165816	245208	-1
[12:44] <Patrickdk> it used to only use 4gigs of that 25gigs
[12:44] <adhorden> thanks guys I am going to get lunch
[12:44] <adhorden> I will when out there set it to 4 gig
[12:45] <Patrickdk> this system hibernates, with 4gigs currently
[12:45] <Patrickdk> upgrading to 12gigs next month
[12:45] <Patrickdk> or more, if I can
[12:46] <binBASH> this system = your desktop? ;)
[12:58] <alex88> if i've set lang=it_it, how can i use apt-get in english for 1 time?
[13:00] <zul> morning
[13:06] <shauno> alex88: just put LANG=C at the start of the command.  so "LANG=C apt-get install foo".  that'll set the LANG env, but only for that single command
[13:07] <alex88> shauno: thank you very much
[13:15] <patdk-wk> binbash, this system = desktop/home server
[13:31] <samoangunner> hi is this the ubuntu server help chat?
[13:31] <soren> That's what it says in the topic.
[13:33] <samoangunner> what is the best graphical interface to use with ubuntu server?
[13:33] <ivoks> putty
[13:33] <ivoks> :D
[13:34] <pmatulis> heh, nice one
[13:34] <samoangunner> is it easy to install and use?
[13:34] <ivoks> samoangunner: putty is an graphical SSH client
[13:34] <samoangunner> how is it used?
[13:34] <ivoks> samoangunner: you know what ssh is?
[13:35] <samoangunner> nope
[13:35] <ivoks> so, ubuntu doesn't have GUI
[13:35] <ivoks> it only has CLI
[13:35] <ivoks> command line interface can be utilized remotly
[13:35] <ivoks> best way to do that is via ssh protocol
[13:36] <samoangunner> oh ok
[13:36] <ivoks> putty is popular GUI ssh client on windows
[13:36] <samoangunner> so everything is done in a command line only
[13:36] <ivoks> it has a window bar
[13:36] <ivoks> yes
[13:36] <samoangunner> crap
[13:36] <samoangunner> sorry
[13:36] <ivoks> !ebox
[13:37] <samoangunner> ebox ah
[13:37] <samoangunner> I will tri it
[13:37] <ivoks> http://www.ebox-platform.com/
[13:37] <samoangunner> do I install it on the server or on a different computer and login
[13:38] <ivoks> on server
[13:38] <samoangunner> ok I'm downloading it now on my server
[13:39] <ivoks> time to go...
[13:39] <ivoks> take care
[13:39] <samoangunner> hey thanx for your help
[13:50] <binBASH> not crap
[13:51] <patdk-wk> who crapped in the channel?
[13:52] <binBASH> patdk-wk: 20 mins ago :D
[13:52] <patdk-wk> iphone4gs crapped
[13:52] <samoangunner> just downloaded and installed ebox in my server
[13:53] <samoangunner> how do I use it?
[13:53] <binBASH> ewhat?
[13:53] <samoangunner> how do I open it
[13:53] <samoangunner> ebox
[13:53] <patdk-wk> eboxen was my friends company
[13:53] <binBASH> samoangunner: http://trac.ebox-platform.com/wiki/Document/Documentation/InstallationGuide
[13:54] <binBASH> maybe read here?
[13:54] <samoangunner> thanx
[13:54] <binBASH> google skillz........
[13:55] <patdk-wk> binbash google up how to install and setup an android dev enviroment :)
[13:55] <patdk-wk> I plan on doing that this weekend :)
[13:56] <patdk-wk> I'm completely annoyed with android email and k9 mail, so going *fix* it
[13:56] <binBASH> patdk-wk: http://tinyurl.com/289wn3p
[13:57] <patdk-wk> hehe
[13:57] <binBASH> :)
[13:58] <patdk-wk> blackberry email is so freaking nice :(
[13:59] <patdk-wk> I need atleast, message/rfc822 support, and better html support (but I think a, view as plain text button will be better)
[14:11] <samoangunner> I just install ebox on my server and its asking me to type in the Distinguished name of the search base? what is that?
[14:12] <shauno> that sounds like ldap.  not something I know anything about, but might get you searching in the right direction
[14:17] <samoangunner> how could I set up ubuntu server to be a packet shaper / bandwidth manager
[15:01] <hallyn> anyone have a few cycles available for review of https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/ubuntu/maverick/etherboot/e1000fix  ?
[15:02] <mathiaz> zul: hi!
[15:02] <hallyn> like maybe mathiaz :)
[15:02] <zul> mathiaz: hey got the list for you winbind 612958 ntp 604717 dhcp 612975
[15:11] <patdk-wk> wouldn't that require a system with a e1000 to try it on?
[15:18] <osmosis> anyone aware of kvm issues with cpu frequency scaling? i seem to have hit that.
[15:21]  * patdk-wk wonders why your kvm console would do anything to cpu scaling? unless it was stuck pressing keys :)
[15:23] <hallyn> osmosis: more details?
[15:23] <hallyn> I see some old bugs...
[15:36] <zul> hallyn: looks good
[15:40] <hallyn> zul: cool, thanks.
[15:41] <zul> hallyn: want me to upload it for you?
[15:41] <hallyn> zul: that'd be great, thanks.
[15:42] <hallyn> (especially since there's another, separate bugfix against hte same pkg, so then maybe i can port the fix on top of this one tomorrow :)
[15:58] <samoangunner> I am tring to put my server online but not able to
[15:58] <patdk-wk> plug it in?
[15:58] <samoangunner> I set the ip
[15:58] <samoangunner> yes its plugged in
[15:58] <samoangunner> I think I got the dns in
[15:59] <patdk-wk> well, your going have to describe the issue
[15:59] <samoangunner> how do I check if the dns is set
[15:59] <patdk-wk> dig google.com
[15:59] <samoangunner> I just install the server
[15:59] <samoangunner> new install
[15:59] <patdk-wk> dig google.com @8.8.8.8
[15:59] <samoangunner> I have been digging and found nothing
[15:59] <patdk-wk> first one broken, second one works
[15:59] <patdk-wk> it has internet, dns is screwed, fix /etc/resolv.conf
[16:00] <patdk-wk> both broken, your internet is broken
[16:01] <samoangunner> the internet is working
[16:01] <patdk-wk> should see something like:
[16:01] <patdk-wk> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
[16:01] <patdk-wk> google.com.		300	IN	A	173.194.33.104
[16:01] <samoangunner> mine says timed out
[16:01] <patdk-wk> for both?
[16:01] <samoangunner> yes
[16:02] <patdk-wk> then internet is broken
[16:02] <patdk-wk> or your internet settings on that server are broken
[16:02] <samoangunner> I think its the eth0 settings
[16:02] <patdk-wk> well, I dunno what those should be
[16:02] <patdk-wk> as your isp should be telling you that
[16:02] <samoangunner> I know what they should be but I dont know if I did it correct
[16:03] <samoangunner> the ip should be 192.168.20.9
[16:03] <\sh> dhcp?
[16:03] <patdk-wk> I don't know either :)
[16:03] <samoangunner> sub 255.255.255.0
[16:03] <samoangunner> how do you set it to dhcp in the command line
[16:04] <\sh> server or desktop? desktop should dhcp be the default (network manager) on the server you edit /etc/network/interfaces auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp and /etc/init.d/networking restart
[16:06] <samoangunner> ok I am in the ect/network/interface
[16:06] <samoangunner> how do I type in the command?
[16:08] <\sh> with your favorite editor
[16:09] <samoangunner> yes i am using nano
[16:09] <samoangunner> what is the command
[16:14] <zul> SpamapS: to be extra sure can you run the mysql testsuite with your /tmp change?
[16:21] <Error404NotFound> how can i restrict samba to only listen on LAN interface?
[16:22] <kpettit> Error404NotFound: Look here http://samba.org/~tpot/articles/multiple-interfaces.html
[16:25] <Error404NotFound> kpettit, thanks :)
[16:25] <kpettit> np
[16:26] <zul> mathiaz: you spelled "Future" wrong on the statusreport for the release team :)
[16:29] <mathiaz> zul: oups
[16:29] <mathiaz> zul: you can fix it if you want
[16:29] <zul> mathiaz: sure...luckily i know frenglish ;)
[16:30] <Error404NotFound> there was a tool just like tmpwatch in centos, i did find it and even try it, have forgotton its name...
[16:31] <Error404NotFound> tmpreaper...
[16:31] <Error404NotFound> yup
[16:43] <pmatulis> smoser: you're plugged in to the server docs right?
[16:43] <smoser> i dont know what that means. i dont have an outlet here :)
[16:44] <pmatulis> smoser: you can get the server guide edited?
[16:44] <pmatulis> smoser: just noticed something in the lucid (at least) guide
[16:44] <smoser> i've never tried.
[16:44] <pmatulis> smoser: nothing major but if i don't say it now i never will  :)
[16:44] <smoser> sommer is the owner (maybe you were confusing he and i).
[16:44] <smoser> but sure, what is it?
[16:45] <pmatulis> smoser: sigh, yes
[16:45] <pmatulis> smoser: looks like he's not in
[16:46] <smoser> but what is it man!
[16:46] <smoser> i'm on the edge of my seat
[16:46] <pmatulis> smoser: heh
[16:46] <pmatulis> smoser: it's just that the ssl-cert packaage needs to be installed in order to add a user to the ssl-cert group
[16:46] <pmatulis> smoser: as instructed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[16:46] <pmatulis> smoser: this package is not installed if you use the minimal install
[16:47] <pmatulis> smoser: that's all!
[16:48] <zul> hallyn: it seems im having issues better ask someone else
[16:48] <smoser> i'm not sure what the proper mechanism for bringing that up would be. maybe zul or mathiaz know better.
[16:48] <zul> pmatulis: sommer is the guy you want
[16:49] <pmatulis> zul: yeah
[16:49] <pmatulis> smoser: the process is fairly heavyweight, bazaar, mailing list
[16:50] <Error404NotFound> how do i exclude directories from aide? say /var/log
[17:03] <hallyn> zul: what sorts of issues?  with my code, or just with the merge process?
[17:04] <zul> no its just my computer
[17:05] <hallyn> ok, just so i didn't do something wrong - thx
[17:31] <SpamapS> zul: I haven't tried it
[17:31] <SpamapS> zul: I still haven't heard back about whether to go further and lock it down to /var/tmp/mysql ...
[17:45] <m0t3jl> Hi. I've recently dist-upgraded to 10.04 on my desktop (yes, I use the server version on desktop ;)) and it's got a splash screen ;) Why the heck would there be a splash screen on server? :D
[17:50] <RoyK> m0t3jl: dunno - perhaps someone thought it looked nice? :)
[17:50] <RoyK> m0t3jl: it's not like it'll eat much resources
[17:51] <RoyK> the cool thing about lucid is that it uses far higher resolution than before, so unless you're on an old 14" CRT, the console is sufficiently big to use it for something real :)
[17:52] <zul> SpamapS: yeah go ahead and lock it down to /var/tmp/mysql but once you do run it with the qa-regression-test testsuite
[17:55] <SpamapS> m0t3jl: dig through the ubuntu-server archives at lists.ubuntu.com , somebody posted how to disable the splashiness.
[17:56] <SpamapS> zul: will do
[17:56] <zul> SpamapS: thanks
[17:59] <SpamapS> zul: so how is this supposed to work.. if we start adding stuff to existing upstart jobs, while still encouraging users to modify them.. users have to hand merge upstart jobs on upgrade?
[18:00] <zul> SpamapS: it should prompt you when upgrade if the upstart job has changed and its up to the uesrs
[18:00] <SpamapS> zul: frankly, that sucks.
[18:00] <zul> SpamapS: you get the same problem with initscripts
[18:00] <SpamapS> Yeah, people shouldn't be modifying them.
[18:01] <m0t3jl> :)
[18:01] <SpamapS> I guess what I mean is, the script code shouldn't be in the init dir.
[18:01] <mathiaz> SpamapS: right - that's why /etc/defaults/* have been introduced
[18:01] <mathiaz> SpamapS: it seems that with upstart defaults files are no longer needed
[18:01] <SpamapS> like, pre-start should be  'pre-start /usr/lib/mysql-5.1/pre-start'
[18:02] <mathiaz> SpamapS: ie init scripts and default files are merged into an upstart job
[18:02] <zul> SpamapS: next version of upstart should fix that
[18:02] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I need to assert that /var/tmp/mysql exists. I can't rely on maintainer scripts for this.. I have to do it right before mysqld is started. I hae to put this in pre-start .. but now I'm changing code in a conffile.. seems rather counter-intuitive.
[18:03] <SpamapS> zul: we can do it now w/ policy though
[18:03] <mathiaz> SpamapS: why can't you rely on the maintainer scripts?
[18:03] <SpamapS> mathiaz: because /var/tmp can be cleared at any time
[18:03] <SpamapS> same reason /var/run/mysqld is asserted in pre-start. ;)
[18:03] <mathiaz> SpamapS: oh - right
[18:07] <sherr> Error404NotFound: see the examples on the aide.conf man page. It tells you how to skip a directory.
[18:12] <talcite> hey guys. I'm getting crashes on my server when I'm writing to an OCFS2 array
[18:12] <talcite> are there any known stopper bugs with OCFS2?
[18:14] <cemc> is there a way to see the changes before updating a package on a hardy server install ?
[18:14] <sherr> talcite: did you look in launchpad?
[18:15] <sherr> cemc: according to the apt-get update, there's a "dry run" option.
[18:15] <sherr> *"apt-get man page"
[18:20] <talcite> sherr: there's no open bugs in launchpad
[18:21] <cemc> sherr: no, I mean to see what changed in the package (the one you see if you're updating with Synaptic in GUI)
[18:22] <talcite> cemc: what you're talking about is called a changelog. It may return more google hits.
[18:28] <talcite> oh wow. ocfs2 really blew up
[18:33] <cemc> talcite: thanks, found it
[18:34] <mathiaz> zul: hi - bug 284416
[18:34] <zul> mathiaz: bi
[18:34] <zul> mathiaz: er hi even
[18:34] <mathiaz> zul: is there a good reason to keep the delta with Debian?
[18:34] <mathiaz> zul: I don't think it's worth keeping the delta with Debian just for bug 284416
[18:34] <zul> mathiaz: no i dont think so debain might want it
[18:35] <mathiaz> zul: you mean that debian may want to have the split package?
[18:35] <zul> mathiaz: correct
[18:35] <mathiaz> zul: it causes issues with the PO files: bug 601803
[18:36] <zul> yeah i know....might want to create a whois-common or something
[18:36] <mathiaz> zul: or put mkpasswd back into whois
[18:36] <mathiaz> zul: and keep one package
[18:36] <zul> mathiaz: doesnt matter to me...its just having mkpasswd in the whois pacakge
[18:40] <zul> mathiaz: grrr...i mean its weird having mkpasswd in the whois package
[18:40] <mathiaz> zul: why?
[18:40] <mathiaz> zul: it's small
[18:40] <mathiaz> zul: doesn't take a lot of space
[18:41] <mathiaz> zul: same for whois
[18:41] <mathiaz> zul: if you just want mkpasswd, whois doesn't take so much space
[18:41] <zul> well the function is totall different from whois :)
[18:41] <mathiaz> zul: it may seem strange - but it's not that bad
[18:44] <mathiaz> zul: if the po files is put in the equation it seems to take more work to maintain the delta with Debian
[18:48] <osmosis> hallyn, hmm..what kind of details.  Intel system. ubuntu 10.04 mostly default. kvm libvirt.  error is  BUG: soft lockup - CPU#2 stuck for 61s! [kdmflush:248]
[18:52] <hallyn> and it's the host kernel getting lockup?
[18:52] <hallyn> can you pastebin mord of the dmesg output?
[18:54] <zul> mathiaz: agreed
[19:03] <hallyn> osmosis: this is uptodate lucid with lucid-updates on x86-64?  or 32?  (or w/out lucid-updates archive)
[19:04] <hallyn> i see a few things on launchpad - is this definately only with kvm?
[19:15] <VladGh> guys, I know this is a really newbie question but once I compiled a program from sources with make and make install, can I just copy the resulted binaries when I reinstall the system as long as I install the required dependencies?
[19:17] <talcite> VladGh: did the program make available any other dynamic libraries?
[19:18] <VladGh> talcite: I'm talking about php 5.3.3 compiled with all the necessary librarie and dependencies, and I was wondering if when I am reinstalling Ubuntu on the same server I could just copy the /opt/php5 folder in which I compiled it after I install all libraries with apt-get?
[19:19] <talcite> not likely with php
[19:19] <talcite> you'll probably need to do some ld magic as well
[19:19] <talcite> you're better off recompiling I would think
[19:20] <talcite> why can't you recompile anywyas?
[19:20] <VladGh> ok, thanks, I already have sh scripts to do all the recompile stuff. I was just wondering if it is possible to skip that step. Thanks
[19:21] <SpamapS> VladGh: you know, php 5.3.3 is available as a source package in Maverick, you can always just rebuild that on your version of Ubuntu.
[19:22] <VladGh> yes I know but I prefer to have complete control on what I install (my own configure script and my own patches).
[19:23] <SpamapS> VladGh: one way to do that and still get system portability is by building your own .deb
[19:23] <VladGh> I will get to that too, but as you see I still ask some basic questions
[19:23] <SpamapS> VladGh: But.. php is pretty massive, so I could see where that might get ugly. ;)
[19:24] <SpamapS> VladGh: Also if you have multiple servers, its a good idea to go with something like puppet or chef to manage those build/deploy steps.
[19:24] <SpamapS> VladGh: even if you only have 2 servers, if you might have 3 or 4 later, it makes a big difference in long term efficiency.
[19:25] <talcite> SpamapS: puppet only makes sense if you have a lot of identical machines
[19:25] <VladGh> For the moment I just have my small linode vps and a few small websites
[19:25] <VladGh> thanks for the adive anyway
[19:25] <VladGh> I will do very soon replication and high availability so I will definetly look into puppet or chef
[19:29] <VladGh> where can I find some good tutorials on how to create a deb from sources for more complex software like php or jetty7, solr etc
[19:31] <kpettit> Anybody know of any good python or other cli type tools that will allow me to ready/write config files from different apps.  Like apache, mysql, asterisk, etc?
[19:33] <SpamapS> talcite: not really. 99% of the time you have 90% of the same configs on each box.. little things that when missed, screw up all your other stuff
[19:33] <SpamapS> talcite: I think of puppet more as managing the mundane repetition, not the boxes.
[19:34] <SpamapS> kpettit: config files are vastly different from program to program.. some use established patterns like ini, yml, or xml, but others just sort of made up their own thing (like apache..)
[19:35] <kpettit> exactly, that's why I don't really want to write one :)  Trying to see if something already exists
[19:36] <SpamapS> kpettit: you might look at what ebox/webmin do
[19:36] <kpettit> yeah, that's why I want to write my own.  Not to happy with those
[19:36] <kpettit> that and I'd like it to be in python instead of perl.
[19:36] <hallyn> osmosis: see the bottom of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/333201.  Assuming you see the messages in the guest, you may be better off using another clocksource?
[19:37] <kpettit> I like ebox OK, but it's not as easy to exten and add custom stuff as I'd like.  And the web UI is freaky slow.  Webmin is cool but everything is too seperate
[19:53] <brad__> i'm having massive DNS problems setting up BIND9 ... any DNS pros out there will to lend a hand?
[19:58] <brad__> if i use dig @SERVER_IP mydomain.com on the server, i get a response.
[19:58] <brad__> if i use dig @SERVER_IP mydomain.com from my desktop, i get SERVFAIL
[19:58] <brad__> any ideas?
[19:59] <Delemas> I'm trying to get VMBuilder to make a ubuntu 10.04 LTS VM but the resulting VM won't boot i.e. SeaBIOS reports "Boot failed: not a bootable disk". I'm building with a 4096MB root. What am I missing?
[19:59] <Delemas> I've enabled debug mode but it isn't helping much...
[20:06] <brad__> kinda quiet today, eh?
[20:09] <Delemas> very...
[20:10] <Delemas> brad__, are you using views?
[20:11] <brad__> no, what's views?
[20:11] <Delemas> brad__, they are a bind9 feature...
[20:12] <brad__> nope, not using them to my knowledge.
[20:12] <brad__> would that be helpful?
[20:13] <Delemas> No one less complication. hmm I'd check your logs. You might have to increase logging.
[20:13] <xperia> hello to all. have big problems with a innodb table. everytime i call a website on my ubuntu server i get the error message
[20:13] <xperia> Incorrect information in file: './mydatabase/mytable.frm'
[20:13] <xperia> How can i fix this Problem ?
[20:14] <brad__> Delemas: I've tried looking at logs, i just installed sysklogd, not much help though
[20:16] <brad__> Delemas: the thing that gets me is all the checks in the ubuntu guide pass, but it's been a couple days and no propagation.
[20:17] <sherr> xperia: "call a web site"? Error message where? From what? Exact message?
[20:17] <Delemas> brad__, firewalling?
[20:17] <brad__> nah, I can telnet in from my desktop
[20:17] <brad__> on port 53 at least
[20:18] <Delemas> hmm so bind9 is listening to the right IP?
[20:18] <Carleas> If I'm setting my VPS as both a web server and a nameserver, do I put it as its own nameserver in my zone file?
[20:18] <Carleas> And then put the secondaries?
[20:18] <brad__> Delemas: i'd guess so
[20:19] <xperia> sherr: as written its about a innodb table in mysql. it is corrupted and becouse of this i get every time the error message
[20:19] <xperia> Incorrect information in file: './mydatabase/mytable.frm'
[20:19] <xperia> So need now to repair this innodb table but dont know how
[20:19] <Delemas> brad__, check netstat -n -l -p
[20:21] <brad__> tcp6       0      0 :::53                   :::*                    LISTEN      1394/named
[20:21] <brad__> does that look right?
[20:22] <Delemas> That shows ipv6 listening. What about ipv4?
[20:23] <Delemas> Mine shows listening lines for tcp and udp.
[20:23] <brad__> yeah, it's on there too
[20:23] <jpds> Delemas: IPv6 sockets are v4 sockets.
[20:23] <brad__> yep, both tcp and udp
[20:23] <Delemas> ah k then...
[20:23] <Carleas> Also, in some zone files the NS lines start with an '@', and in others they do not.  Which should I use when?
[20:23] <brad__> Carleas: trying to figure the same questions out myself :)
[20:24] <Delemas> An @ uses orgin.
[20:24] <Delemas> origin I mean...
[20:24] <qman__> yes, @ refers to the origin
[20:25] <qman__> so if you have a zone for example.com, the @ record is example.com, and the other records are site1.example.com, etc
[20:25] <brad__> named-checkzone returns OK
[20:25] <brad__> i believe named-checkconf is also returning OK
[20:26] <brad__> (just returns empty blank with no errors, from the man page  I'm assuming that means it's OK)
[20:26] <qman__> bind logs to /var/log/syslog, in case you haven't figured that out yet
[20:26] <qman__> and it is fairly verbose by default
[20:27] <qman__> grep named /var/log/syslog
[20:27] <brad__> i've got a few "error (network unreachable) resolving 'ns/AAAA/IN':"
[20:30] <brad__> qman__: there are also a few errors about "couldn't add command channel"
[20:30] <Carleas> What about IN?  Some seem to use, others not.
[20:31] <SpamapS> Honestly, BIND's format is so archaic .. does anybody actually use BIND because they like it?
[20:32] <brad__> nope, people tell us to use it and we follow like sheep to pasture ;)
[20:34] <brad__> so i'm tailing var/log/syslog, and i keep getting more and more of these "error (network unreachable)" errors
[20:34] <Delemas> Ah crap I think I'm seeing this bug with vmbuilder https://bugs.launchpad.net/vmbuilder/+bug/525952
[20:35] <Carleas> I think Bind uses me more than I use it.  I always feel dirty after our interactions.
[20:35] <brad__> Carleas: lol
[20:37] <neri> hi what`s the difference btw apt-cacher and apt-mirror if i want to create a repo server in my lan?
[20:37] <brad__> qman__: is there anything in particular I should be looking for?
[20:39] <Delemas> neri: apt-cacher downloads what you use. apt-mirror downloads all files.
[20:40] <brad__> if i use the command "dig @SERVER_IP mydomain.com", shouldn't that be able to bring up the result even if it hasn't propagated?
[20:40] <neri> Delemas: if I'm using a ubuntu server, obviously my packages will be different from my workstations... the apt-cacher will download the workstation packages also?
[20:41] <Delemas> neri, It should be able to cache whatever is configured on it...
[20:42] <kirkland> hallyn: ping
[20:42] <kirkland> hallyn: i'm working on a fix to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/etherboot/+bug/570870
[20:42] <kirkland> hallyn: i want to make sure we're not stomping on one another
[20:46] <neri> Delemas: Thx for info. Changing topic, is it possible to use nis, but withou mounting home on nis server? (Something like remote profile in ad)
[20:46] <neri> offline profile*
[20:46] <Carleas> What does the IN mean on some lines of a DNS zone file?  Do I need to include it on all files?  I've seen zone files in which no line contains the 'IN' flag.
[20:47] <maswan> IN means internet, it's also the default
[20:47] <maswan> that's why you can leave it out
[20:48] <neri> noone know?
[20:48] <Delemas> I don't use nis.
[20:50] <hallyn> kirkland: well I do have a package waiting to build, but it's basically your fix
[20:50] <hallyn> oh, and finally did so.  https://launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/+archive/kvm-pxe-usrshare
[20:50] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah, i was just about to build/upload that to lucid-proposed now
[20:50] <kirkland> hallyn: i can debuild -S this on amd64, though
[20:50] <kirkland> "can't"
[20:51] <hallyn> me neither.  I assumed that's always been the case
[20:51] <kirkland> yeah
[20:51] <kirkland> i do it in an i386 vm
[20:51] <hallyn> and i can't do a sbuild -d lucid-i386 bc it wants to play with grub, which it can't do in a chroot
[20:52] <hallyn> kirkland: the only thing i added to your original debdiff was
[20:52] <hallyn>         ln -s $(CURDIR)/debian/kvm-pxe/usr/share/qemu $(CURDIR)/debian/kvm-pxe/usr/share/kvm
[20:52] <hallyn> just in case some applications are expecting the roms in kvm
[20:52] <hallyn> kvm/
[20:54] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: WOuld you like to see all the UEC images (both daily and releases) in on single list of images or would you like to see them separated?
[20:54] <pmatulis> in may 2011 (karmic EOL) can i still upgrade to lucid?
[20:55] <jpds> pmatulis: Yes.
[20:55] <pmatulis> jpds: thanks
[20:55] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, i would think probably separated.
[20:56] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: do you care of other releases besides maverick ones? such as lucid, or in the future, when ubuntu+1 is out, would you care about previous releases?
[20:57] <smoser> i would think ideally you'd show all releases that could be booted.
[20:57] <smoser> that will only be maverick at this point in time
[20:57] <smoser> so basically, show all releases => 10.10 and all dailies 10.10.
[20:58] <smoser> but really, i'd like it to be "just like anything else"
[20:58] <smoser> so i dont really know how you're handling other stuff.
[20:58] <hallyn> kirkland: hah but i did that wrong anyway
[20:58] <hallyn> kirkland: so pls go ahead and push your own original debdiff and let's be done with it :)
[21:00] <Delemas> OMG so stupid... vmbuilder creates VMs in raw format, converts them to qcow2 but it wrote out libvirt config which lists disk device type of raw! FAIL! s/raw/qcow2/g;  it suddenly it all works.
[21:01] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: Ok, basically, it will be like this: http://imgur.com/eEXzK.png where repository would be uec-release and uec-daily. Both will contain different releases eventually right?
[21:02] <RoAkSoAx> and in the -cli, i guess it would be something like 'testdrive --repo uec-daily' and etc etc
[21:02] <smoser> well, they'll always include different content.
[21:02] <smoser> (they do now).
[21:04] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: that's the thing, I can handle it both ways, as a different repository with different releases, or as a single repository and put eveyrthing in one list. IMO, handling it as a repository would be better, given that way I keep separated cdimage.u.c, releases.u.c, and uec-images.u.c
[21:06] <smoser> your call. i dont care.
[21:06] <smoser> i'd like to somehow know that some thing is released versus daily, though
[21:07] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: I guess that'd be just the using different repo's. Anyways, I'll prolly have it by sunday. Will let you know
[21:07] <smoser> you can cheat
[21:07] <smoser> and know under the covers
[21:08] <smoser> what list you pulled it from
[21:09] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: iĺl pull .manifest and .manifest-daily as different repoś, or cache files, and they will be independent between each other
[21:09] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: something similar with cdimage.u.c which is mainly for dailyś and releases.u.c
[21:12] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: anyways, I'd rather just show you when it is done
[21:15] <osmosis> hallyn, thanks, ive added myself to the bug list.
[21:43] <kirkland> hallyn: firgin awesome .... kees just showed me this ... "linux32 bash"
[21:44] <kirkland> hallyn: and then i could build etherboot on my 64-bit desktop
[21:44] <kirkland> (build the source package at least)
[21:44] <kirkland> i'm sanity checking it now
[21:45] <kees> (it just tricks uname())
[21:46] <kees> so anything actually sensitive will usually explode once gcc gets involved. but then -m32 may solve it
[21:46] <hallyn> sweet :)
[21:50] <ND-AtWork> hey guys question
[21:50] <ND-AtWork> can you use a parrelel port as a serial port in any way in linux?
[21:50] <ND-AtWork> i would like to use a dummy terminal, but i dont have any null modem adapters
[21:51] <sailerboy> hey, if i have a user account (craig) which doesnt have access to the killall command, but i want it to be able to launch a script that contains "killall supybot" or "kill -9 `pgrep supybot`", how would i do that?
[21:51] <sailerboy> on a server edition
[21:51] <sailerboy> im sure i have to edit visudo
[21:56] <mathiaz> SpamapS: zul: jdstrand: any reasong/thouhgts on demoting php5-sybase to universe?
[21:57] <SpamapS> mathiaz: +1 for demoting drivers for closed source daemons. :)
[21:59] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hm - http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/php5-dbg
[21:59] <mathiaz> SpamapS: php5-dbg depends on php5-sybase
[22:00] <SpamapS> mathiaz: can those files be moved into php5-sybase-dbg ?
[22:08] <zul> mathiaz: indifferent :)
[22:11] <mathiaz> SpamapS: it should be possible to create a php5-sybase-dbg file
[22:11] <mathiaz> SpamapS: package
[22:15] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I think if you did that, you can kick libsybdb5 out of main too
[22:15] <SpamapS> wait.. no.. kexi
[22:16] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hm?
[22:16] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I'm not sure I follow what you're saying
[22:18] <SpamapS> mathiaz: libsybdb5 is the sybase/mssql driver (freetds) .. all of its rdepends are universe except kexi and php5-sybase
[22:19] <SpamapS> but, actually, its pretty cool that kexi supports mssql... as that makes ubuntu more useful for mssql administrators and developers.
[22:19] <SpamapS> kexi == graphical data management program
[22:41] <jdstrand> mathiaz: I have no strong opinion. dropping it out of main means less official support, but I have no idea how many people use it
[23:07] <hsr> Hello
[23:07] <guntbert> !hi | hsr
[23:07] <hsr> I need help on spam assasin
[23:09] <hsr> I want to try spamassasin on ubuntu desktop on virtualbox
[23:13] <guntbert> hsr: start with http://www.akadia.com/services/postfix_spamassassin.html
[23:14] <guntbert> hsr: or with https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html
[23:30] <hsr> guntbert: Will it be very easy to install for a newbie??
[23:31] <hsr> guntbert: What else should i know?
[23:44] <hallyn> kirkland: your quick push invalidated my awaiting merge proposal :)
[23:45]  * hallyn hopefully out for a bit now