| blind | can I install ubuntustudio from a usb drive? It boots into the setup, but the setup has the incessant need to bring CD-ROMs into the picture. | 00:44 |
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| blind | like pfft, who uses those things anymore | 00:45 |
| holstein | blind: you can | 07:24 |
| holstein | theres a link... | 07:24 |
| * holstein looking | 07:24 | |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller | 07:28 |
| holstein | im pretty sure that it it^^ | 07:28 |
| holstein | you want to find the way the alternate installer is used via USB sticks | 07:29 |
| holstein | i was told that it is possible | 07:29 |
| philinux | Hi, I cant get any sound from microphone or guitar plugged in to pc. Sounds works fine otherwise | 12:38 |
| crysaz | philinux: you need to more specific with your problem | 12:57 |
| philinux | crysaz: Hi, I can get mic1 to record with sound recorder but nothing through speakers during recording | 12:58 |
| philinux | If I switch to line in with guitar plugged in I get nothing through speakers | 12:59 |
| crysaz | check your alsamixer configuration. have you muted your inputs? | 12:59 |
| philinux | Checked that nothing muted | 13:00 |
| crysaz | ..and you are using jack? have you patched input to outputs? | 13:00 |
| philinux | No jack at all | 13:01 |
| philinux | I used to be able to plug guitar into mic socket of subwoofer and it played fine in previous ubuntu's | 13:01 |
| philinux | running 10.04 | 13:02 |
| crysaz | so you are using pulseaudio for routing. have you double checked setting there? | 13:02 |
| philinux | Default install, what do I check? | 13:02 |
| crysaz | systemp->prefs->sound input | 13:03 |
| philinux | Input set to mic1 which will record silently with sound recorder. Playback is fine | 13:04 |
| crysaz | so you can record from input and play it over, but you can't get any direct sound of the machine? | 13:05 |
| philinux | Thats it. Playing vids cd's or flash on net is fine | 13:07 |
| crysaz | i think that's a feature. in conventional applications, it would be a bad thing to route microfone to output | 13:08 |
| crysaz | *microphone | 13:08 |
| philinux | Ah feedback etc | 13:08 |
| philinux | Just tried guitar through line in and same thing silently records, playback fine | 13:09 |
| crysaz | you should use jack instead. that way, you can use your computer as an amplifier and as an efect box | 13:09 |
| philinux | righto, is it easy to setup. How come pulse cant do it? | 13:10 |
| Blank__ | what about using jack because it's just naturally more awesome :p | 13:10 |
| crysaz | pulse tries to be simple. if you need more, there's jack. it is awesome. you know, awsome. | 13:13 |
| philinux | Do I just install jack or are there other packages too | 13:13 |
| Blank__ | chances are you've already got it in some form | 13:18 |
| Blank__ | do you have/use ardour? | 13:18 |
| philinux | This is a vanilla 10.04 install. I just installed jack. Newbie at sound stuff. I want to record mic and guitar. Effects can come after I got it set up ok | 13:21 |
| Blank__ | ah... | 13:21 |
| Blank__ | if you install jack, also get qjackctl and patchage | 13:21 |
| philinux | I got synaptic up so hang on | 13:22 |
| Blank__ | both incredibly useful, although qjackctl has a more basic way to connect stuff than patchage, i like patchage's GUI | 13:22 |
| Blank__ | qjackctl will help with running jack if you aren't using something like ardour that attempts to start jack automatically | 13:23 |
| philinux | ok installed. I ticked enable realtime priority | 13:23 |
| Blank__ | lowering... frames i think it is, lowers latency, at the cost of potential skips | 13:24 |
| Blank__ | but yeah, if you can get jack started successfully, you're halfway there | 13:25 |
| philinux | ok what do I do now I got Jack control and patchage in menus | 13:26 |
| Blank__ | is jack running? | 13:26 |
| philinux | It says stopped | 13:27 |
| Blank__ | so if you try pressing start nothing happens? | 13:27 |
| philinux | Errors. http://imagebin.ca/view/tbEzKsw.html | 13:30 |
| philinux | What do i do next to get this going? | 13:33 |
| Blank__ | let's see | 13:35 |
| Blank__ | ah... thought realtime would be a problem | 13:35 |
| Blank__ | i think your user needs to be in the audio group or something | 13:35 |
| Blank__ | not entirely sure but it's a permissions thing | 13:36 |
| philinux | Which group, and thanks | 13:37 |
| Blank__ | i think the "audio" group | 13:37 |
| Blank__ | (would need confirming) | 13:37 |
| philinux | gksu /usr/bin/qjackctl works fine so it is permissions | 13:39 |
| Blank__ | seems to be something with /etc/security/limits.conf in addition to adding yourself to the audio folder | 13:39 |
| philinux | There is no audio group | 13:39 |
| Blank__ | apparently adding "@audio - rtprio 99" to that file helps | 13:39 |
| Blank__ | you'll have to add it then :p | 13:39 |
| Blank__ | sudo addgroup audio | 13:40 |
| Blank__ | hmm, possibly sudo addgroup -system audio | 13:41 |
| philinux | done that with gedit | 13:41 |
| Blank__ | (again, i'm a bit rusty on this... i've been relying on things like ubuntu studio and kxstudio to do this stuff for me :( ) | 13:41 |
| philinux | Thats it, it running with added audio group | 13:42 |
| philinux | I've got no errors and I've got the connections pane up | 13:42 |
| Blank__ | ah ok | 13:42 |
| Blank__ | do you have a "system" client showing in each side? | 13:42 |
| philinux | No | 13:43 |
| philinux | Empty | 13:43 |
| Blank__ | :s | 13:43 |
| Blank__ | mine shows up system on both sides, and a pulseaudio jack sink | 13:43 |
| Blank__ | from there all i have to do is drag capture_1 to playback_1 and capture_2 etc | 13:44 |
| Blank__ | that *should* let you hear it | 13:44 |
| Blank__ | but again, only if they're there in the first place... | 13:44 |
| philinux | Ah hang on | 13:44 |
| philinux | No it's the permissions thing again. I forgot I launched it with gksu | 13:45 |
| Blank__ | ah | 13:45 |
| Blank__ | did you add yourself to the audio group? | 13:46 |
| philinux | lets just try it that way for now see if anything works | 13:46 |
| Blank__ | i'm sure there's a command for it but the way i've had to do it is to use gedit/nano and edit /etc/group manually | 13:46 |
| philinux | Yep I now got system on both sides | 13:46 |
| Blank__ | expand it and see what you get | 13:46 |
| philinux | Capture1 and 2 and 8 playbacks | 13:47 |
| Blank__ | o... sounds like a bit of a challenge to find the right ones :o | 13:47 |
| philinux | Capture 1 is probably the mics | 13:47 |
| Blank__ | patchage should give you a better idea of which one is which | 13:47 |
| Blank__ | capture 1 and 2 are your stereo input, so 1 = left channel, 2 = right | 13:48 |
| Blank__ | if it's a mic then chances are both will be the same thing | 13:48 |
| philinux | I clicked connect on capture one and mic is working it connected to all 8 playbacks | 13:48 |
| Blank__ | i've got to get to sleep, but if you're using something like audacity for recording, all you need to do is select jack as the audio system, and after a bit of fiddling you'll be away | 13:49 |
| philinux | ok guitar now works on line one. Yeah. Far bit of lag though about a tenth of a second | 13:50 |
| Blank__ | try lowering frames/period and restarting jack, hopefully you can get it closer | 13:51 |
| philinux | Settings is manic wow | 13:51 |
| Blank__ | good luck with it, hopefully you get it sorted out (with someone more helpful :p) | 13:52 |
| philinux | Learning curve here I see. And the perrmissions need sorting out. | 13:52 |
| philinux | Thanks for hlep At least I knopw it should all work now | 13:52 |
| Blank__ | no problem :) | 13:52 |
| philinux | Hi, Just got jack up and running ok. How can I get 2 inputs going e.g mic and linein. Seem to be able to only have one in sound prefs | 16:52 |
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| holstein | philinux: if this is an internal card | 17:00 |
| holstein | its only a 2 channel deal | 17:00 |
| holstein | if you were going to use the mic and line intputs at the same time | 17:01 |
| holstein | the hardware would need to support 4 channel recording | 17:01 |
| holstein | im not saying its impossible | 17:01 |
| holstein | BUT it might be the kind of thing that would require some ALSA hacking and a soldering iron | 17:02 |
| philinux | Err integrated, motherboard is asus m3a78-eh. Manual says alc883 hd audio 8channel codec supports jack-detect etc | 17:03 |
| holstein | 8channel out | 17:03 |
| holstein | 2 channel in | 17:03 |
| philinux | Ah ok, newbie here re sound stuff | 17:03 |
| holstein | nah | 17:03 |
| holstein | no worries | 17:03 |
| holstein | integrated consumer grade cards dont usually have more than a stereo in | 17:04 |
| philinux | So does that mean one input at a time | 17:04 |
| holstein | that means 2 channels | 17:04 |
| philinux | Ah stereo you mean | 17:04 |
| holstein | philinux: if your trying to do guitar and something else | 17:04 |
| holstein | you can utilize the stereo in | 17:05 |
| philinux | guitar and mike both mono | 17:05 |
| holstein | as a 2 track recorder | 17:05 |
| holstein | philinux: exactly | 17:05 |
| holstein | right and left dont matter | 17:05 |
| holstein | til you mix down | 17:05 |
| holstein | you can have 2 mono channels coming in to JACK | 17:06 |
| philinux | I have a mixing deck old tascam 4 track tape | 17:06 |
| holstein | cool | 17:06 |
| holstein | philinux: you can do some fancy routing to those 4 channels | 17:06 |
| holstein | with the 8 outputs from that card | 17:06 |
| holstein | BUT | 17:06 |
| holstein | i wouldnt | 17:06 |
| philinux | Ah ok | 17:06 |
| holstein | those little 1/4 inch consumer jacks will add more noise than its worth | 17:07 |
| philinux | Or what you saying is split stereo into two channel input with plug splitter of some sort | 17:07 |
| holstein | 1/8 inch *** | 17:07 |
| holstein | philinux: do you have any preamps? | 17:07 |
| holstein | mic preamp? | 17:07 |
| philinux | preamp in guitar, electro acoustic | 17:08 |
| holstein | i usually suggest getting a cheap mixer | 17:08 |
| philinux | Oh well already there then with tascam eh | 17:08 |
| holstein | something like this http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer-EURORACK-UB802-Mixer-102331477-i1153481.gc?source=4WFRWXX&CAWELAID=29484770 | 17:09 |
| holstein | the tascam tape deck? | 17:09 |
| holstein | its got preamps? | 17:09 |
| holstein | anyways | 17:09 |
| holstein | these little mixers are cheap | 17:09 |
| holstein | and you can use them on the way into the card | 17:09 |
| philinux | Looks like my tascam mixer deck. It was £350 when new ten years ago | 17:10 |
| holstein | and pan inputs however | 17:10 |
| holstein | OR join other inputs together into one channel | 17:10 |
| holstein | and since the quality is decent | 17:10 |
| holstein | when you decide to upgrade | 17:10 |
| holstein | you can move that to the monitoring side of your setup | 17:11 |
| philinux | It's a portastudio 414 | 17:11 |
| holstein | yup | 17:11 |
| holstein | its a tape deck | 17:11 |
| philinux | Not used it for ages | 17:11 |
| holstein | you might want a mixer | 17:11 |
| philinux | pops up images on google though | 17:12 |
| holstein | something with some decent preamps on it | 17:12 |
| holstein | yeah | 17:12 |
| philinux | Has it not got preamps | 17:12 |
| holstein | i had one of those ;) | 17:12 |
| holstein | you can try using it | 17:12 |
| holstein | philinux: just think signal path | 17:13 |
| holstein | you got you nice guitar | 17:13 |
| philinux | I've still got a 4mm stereo jack to to phono lead. I could plug that into pc subwoofer mic input | 17:13 |
| holstein | and your going to route it through those preamps | 17:13 |
| holstein | THEN | 17:13 |
| holstein | some bunch of little adapters from the radioshack | 17:14 |
| philinux | yamaha apx 6la | 17:14 |
| holstein | into you consumer grade 1/8 inch input | 17:14 |
| holstein | you might want to think about replacing some of that signal path | 17:14 |
| holstein | as you go | 17:14 |
| philinux | Already got those adapters | 17:14 |
| philinux | Brain was not in gear this aft | 17:14 |
| philinux | What do you mean signal path? | 17:15 |
| holstein | where your signal is going | 17:15 |
| holstein | before you record it | 17:15 |
| holstein | take those adapters | 17:15 |
| philinux | You mean better sound card | 17:15 |
| holstein | philinux: when you go to a pro studio | 17:15 |
| holstein | think about the signal path | 17:16 |
| philinux | Ok you mean like gold plated connectors etc | 17:16 |
| holstein | they're going to have a nice high-end mic | 17:16 |
| holstein | philinux: NO | 17:16 |
| holstein | that dont matter | 17:16 |
| holstein | im talking about gear | 17:16 |
| philinux | Ah I got a nice mic | 17:16 |
| holstein | that doesnt have 1/8 inch connectors | 17:16 |
| holstein | non-consumer level gear | 17:17 |
| holstein | philinux: SO | 17:17 |
| holstein | the studio | 17:17 |
| holstein | plugs the mic in to a nice preamp | 17:17 |
| holstein | and that goes balanced to tape | 17:17 |
| holstein | either a hard disk | 17:17 |
| holstein | or anolog | 17:17 |
| holstein | whatever | 17:17 |
| holstein | the signal *never* goes through any 1/8 inch adapters | 17:18 |
| holstein | and there are some relatively resonably priced ways to get that kind of signal path going | 17:18 |
| holstein | in the future | 17:18 |
| philinux | Ah ok . You loose signal through those 1/8 inch things then I guess | 17:19 |
| holstein | it unbalanced too | 17:19 |
| holstein | your mic has 3 wires | 17:19 |
| holstein | OR should | 17:20 |
| philinux | Yeah just check large 3 socket connector | 17:20 |
| holstein | and that gets paired down to 2 wires somewhere before you record it | 17:20 |
| holstein | thats a loss right there | 17:20 |
| philinux | Ah ok | 17:20 |
| holstein | not that you cant get started with what you got | 17:20 |
| holstein | and make some nice recordings | 17:20 |
| philinux | Tascam only has 1/8 inch stuff I see now | 17:21 |
| holstein | your sound card only has that | 17:21 |
| holstein | tascam probably has 1/4 inch outs | 17:21 |
| holstein | but i think they are unbalanced | 17:21 |
| philinux | Yeah, and phono, So for home use should be ok then | 17:21 |
| holstein | phono is unbalanced | 17:22 |
| holstein | just depends on what your trying to accomplish really | 17:22 |
| holstein | recording-wise | 17:22 |
| holstein | thats why i really like the firewire and USB interfaces | 17:23 |
| holstein | with decent preamps | 17:23 |
| holstein | and balanced ins | 17:23 |
| holstein | you plug into those | 17:23 |
| holstein | and the signal path stays clean and balanced | 17:23 |
| philinux | Are you saying a better sound card with balance inputs | 17:23 |
| holstein | all the way to the hard drive | 17:23 |
| holstein | and some of those can be quite cheap | 17:23 |
| holstein | philinux: im just saying, consider a sound card that is appropriate for recording | 17:24 |
| holstein | that card is made for surround sound output | 17:24 |
| holstein | and probably does a great job of it | 17:24 |
| philinux | Righto. What do you consider a good budget card with decent inputs. | 17:25 |
| holstein | the delta 1010lt is cheap | 17:25 |
| holstein | and has 2 nice preamps | 17:25 |
| holstein | BUT | 17:25 |
| holstein | no phantom power | 17:25 |
| holstein | and the other 6 inputs are unbalanced | 17:25 |
| holstein | but, its a pci card and under 200US | 17:26 |
| holstein | i think there are some ALSA compatible maudio USB interfaces too | 17:26 |
| holstein | under 200US | 17:26 |
| holstein | with a couple balanced inputs | 17:26 |
| holstein | i dont think the preamps are great though | 17:27 |
| philinux | Ok. Cheers. For now I'll have a go with the tascam to get the two inputs and see where we go and what the sound recorded is like. | 17:28 |
| holstein | this | 17:28 |
| holstein | http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/217906-REG/M_Audio_9900_50765_00_Audiophile_2496_PCI_Digital.html | 17:28 |
| holstein | is not balanced either | 17:28 |
| holstein | but quite a step up | 17:28 |
| holstein | philinux: yeah | 17:28 |
| holstein | i think its a good idea to get rolling with what you have | 17:28 |
| holstein | and then you'll find out what you need as you go | 17:28 |
| holstein | how many imputs you need | 17:28 |
| holstein | do you need preamps? | 17:29 |
| holstein | that kind of thing | 17:29 |
| philinux | Just a basic set up to start with 2 inputs guitar and mic. I just located my 1/8 inch stereo to 2 mono 1/4 inch cabel lol | 17:30 |
| holstein | i still have some of those around here :) | 17:31 |
| holstein | from when i used to do it that way | 17:31 |
| philinux | Yamaha guitar doesn.t sound to bad through pc subwoofer and satelite speakers | 17:32 |
| holstein | cool | 17:33 |
| * holstein doenst trust subwoofers | 17:33 | |
| holstein | usually | 17:33 |
| holstein | when checking for phase cancelation and whatnot | 17:34 |
| philinux | Only budget labtec stuff but has passable sound | 17:34 |
| holstein | but yeah, i bet it sounds great :) | 17:34 |
| * holstein finally got some decent headphone | 17:34 | |
| holstein | s | 17:34 |
| holstein | some comfortable ones | 17:34 |
| philinux | Thanks for your help. The fog has cleared a bit now. | 17:35 |
| holstein | without a bunch of boomy extra bass | 17:35 |
| holstein | philinux: anytime | 17:35 |
| philinux | Wonder what the fender will sound like | 17:35 |
| holstein | hehe | 17:35 |
| holstein | electric guitar? | 17:35 |
| philinux | American strat | 17:35 |
| holstein | if you mic the cabinet | 17:35 |
| holstein | probably get some warmer sound | 17:36 |
| holstein | BUT | 17:36 |
| holstein | rakarrack is awesome | 17:36 |
| philinux | rakarack? | 17:36 |
| holstein | i think its in lucid | 17:36 |
| philinux | ok i'll check that out | 17:36 |
| holstein | http://rakarrack.sourceforge.net/ | 17:37 |
| holstein | nice effects processor | 17:37 |
| holstein | can be annoying with 10+ms latency though | 17:37 |
| holstein | you can add it to the track after you record it though | 17:37 |
| philinux | Is there a jack effecst plugin | 17:38 |
| holstein | theres a bunch | 17:38 |
| holstein | i tend to use rakarrack | 17:38 |
| philinux | Choices eh | 17:38 |
| holstein | for a lot of things | 17:38 |
| holstein | because its fast and light | 17:38 |
| holstein | and sounds good | 17:38 |
| holstein | but theres jackrack? | 17:38 |
| philinux | Does it utilise jack | 17:39 |
| holstein | yeah JACK rack | 17:39 |
| holstein | that lets you load effects that way | 17:39 |
| holstein | and route in JACK | 17:39 |
| holstein | philinux: rakarrack loves the JACK :) | 17:39 |
| philinux | ok | 17:39 |
| * holstein is a rakarrack fanboy | 17:39 | |
| philinux | playtime | 17:40 |
| holstein | enjoy | 17:40 |
| holstein | check out #opensourcemusicians | 17:40 |
| holstein | theres a podcast | 17:40 |
| philinux | I got a epiphone gibson les paul too | 17:40 |
| holstein | there was a review not too long ago of rakarrack and guitarX | 17:40 |
| holstein | philinux: nice | 17:40 |
| holstein | my girlfriend has an old L-00 | 17:41 |
| holstein | quite an amazing acoustic axe | 17:41 |
| holstein | she came up with a little slogan for them.. | 17:41 |
| holstein | 'gibson, the wrong note never sounded so good' | 17:42 |
| philinux | lol | 17:42 |
| philinux | Sad to say I let my marshall amp go two years ago. Too big. Got a line 6 combo instead | 17:42 |
| holstein | line 6 is nice | 17:43 |
| * holstein not a big fan of the marshall gear really | 17:43 | |
| philinux | The marshall was heavy | 17:43 |
| philinux | And the preamp had gone | 17:43 |
| * holstein uses acoustic image | 17:43 | |
| philinux | The line 6 is a spyder 2 | 17:44 |
| holstein | i got the older version of http://www.acousticimg.com/products/prod_corus.html | 17:44 |
| * holstein hates amps | 17:44 | |
| holstein | if i gotta use one | 17:44 |
| holstein | that one will do | 17:44 |
| philinux | Nice | 17:45 |
| philinux | Do soundblaster make any useful audio cards | 17:45 |
| holstein | philinux: sure | 17:46 |
| holstein | for the output side | 17:46 |
| holstein | philinux: think of it this way | 17:46 |
| holstein | what professional studio uses sound blaster gear? | 17:46 |
| holstein | none of them | 17:47 |
| philinux | Ah | 17:47 |
| holstein | not that you gotta go drop 10 grand | 17:47 |
| holstein | but you can find some gear with a lot of bang for the buck | 17:47 |
| holstein | BUT you want something where the inputs are being considered | 17:47 |
| holstein | not only the outputs | 17:48 |
| philinux | What about this. http://www.westenddj.co.uk/Product/M-AUDIO/DJ_Effects_and_Production/DELTA44/GoogleBase/ | 17:50 |
| philinux | DJ gear I know | 17:50 |
| holstein | 4x4 analogue break-out box accepts balanced or unbalanced connections on 1/4 inch tip-ring-sleeve (TRS) jacks | 17:50 |
| holstein | 4x4 24 bit/96kHz full-duplex recording interface | 17:51 |
| holstein | Measured A/D specs: 99dB (A-weighted) dynamic range, 0.0023% THD @ 0dBFS | 17:51 |
| holstein | thats a good price too | 17:51 |
| holstein | yeah | 17:51 |
| philinux | Need a translation here lol | 17:51 |
| holstein | i would check and make sure linux likes it | 17:52 |
| holstein | but im pretty sure it does | 17:52 |
| holstein | i go to http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main | 17:52 |
| holstein | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ice1712 | 17:53 |
| holstein | i like it | 17:53 |
| holstein | you go out and buy a 800 dollar preamp in the future | 17:54 |
| holstein | and you got nice balanced inputs to support that | 17:54 |
| holstein | SO this thing will grow with your needs | 17:54 |
| holstein | until you need more than 4 inputs | 17:54 |
| philinux | Well I'll have a go with two first and that's a fairly cheap option | 17:55 |
| holstein | philinux: totally | 17:55 |
| holstein | i had priced that card way back | 17:55 |
| holstein | when i was looking | 17:55 |
| philinux | Would you still need the tascam mixing deck with that or.. | 17:56 |
| holstein | you would want some preamps | 17:56 |
| holstein | probably | 17:56 |
| holstein | depending on what your doing | 17:56 |
| philinux | Ok well lets keep it with what I've got for now. Play with it and see | 17:56 |
| holstein | you can build yourself 4 of these | 17:57 |
| holstein | http://www.seventhcircleaudio.com/ | 17:57 |
| holstein | philinux: good idea | 17:57 |
| philinux | Ok well cheers. Gotta eat! lol. Many thanks for help | 17:58 |
| philinux | Hi, Got jack and ardour working. Recording and playback works fine. If I use rakarack I get silence how do I get sound | 19:26 |
| * philinux has sorted it out. Apart from noise on gary moore and satriani effect. Like clicking annoying | 19:50 | |
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