[00:44] can I install ubuntustudio from a usb drive? It boots into the setup, but the setup has the incessant need to bring CD-ROMs into the picture. [00:45] like pfft, who uses those things anymore [07:24] blind: you can [07:24] theres a link... [07:24] * holstein looking [07:28] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller [07:28] im pretty sure that it it^^ [07:29] you want to find the way the alternate installer is used via USB sticks [07:29] i was told that it is possible [12:38] Hi, I cant get any sound from microphone or guitar plugged in to pc. Sounds works fine otherwise [12:57] philinux: you need to more specific with your problem [12:58] crysaz: Hi, I can get mic1 to record with sound recorder but nothing through speakers during recording [12:59] If I switch to line in with guitar plugged in I get nothing through speakers [12:59] check your alsamixer configuration. have you muted your inputs? [13:00] Checked that nothing muted [13:00] ..and you are using jack? have you patched input to outputs? [13:01] No jack at all [13:01] I used to be able to plug guitar into mic socket of subwoofer and it played fine in previous ubuntu's [13:02] running 10.04 [13:02] so you are using pulseaudio for routing. have you double checked setting there? [13:02] Default install, what do I check? [13:03] systemp->prefs->sound input [13:04] Input set to mic1 which will record silently with sound recorder. Playback is fine [13:05] so you can record from input and play it over, but you can't get any direct sound of the machine? [13:07] Thats it. Playing vids cd's or flash on net is fine [13:08] i think that's a feature. in conventional applications, it would be a bad thing to route microfone to output [13:08] *microphone [13:08] Ah feedback etc [13:09] Just tried guitar through line in and same thing silently records, playback fine [13:09] you should use jack instead. that way, you can use your computer as an amplifier and as an efect box [13:10] righto, is it easy to setup. How come pulse cant do it? [13:10] what about using jack because it's just naturally more awesome :p [13:13] pulse tries to be simple. if you need more, there's jack. it is awesome. you know, awsome. [13:13] Do I just install jack or are there other packages too [13:18] chances are you've already got it in some form [13:18] do you have/use ardour? [13:21] This is a vanilla 10.04 install. I just installed jack. Newbie at sound stuff. I want to record mic and guitar. Effects can come after I got it set up ok [13:21] ah... [13:21] if you install jack, also get qjackctl and patchage [13:22] I got synaptic up so hang on [13:22] both incredibly useful, although qjackctl has a more basic way to connect stuff than patchage, i like patchage's GUI [13:23] qjackctl will help with running jack if you aren't using something like ardour that attempts to start jack automatically [13:23] ok installed. I ticked enable realtime priority [13:24] lowering... frames i think it is, lowers latency, at the cost of potential skips [13:25] but yeah, if you can get jack started successfully, you're halfway there [13:26] ok what do I do now I got Jack control and patchage in menus [13:26] is jack running? [13:27] It says stopped [13:27] so if you try pressing start nothing happens? [13:30] Errors. http://imagebin.ca/view/tbEzKsw.html [13:33] What do i do next to get this going? [13:35] let's see [13:35] ah... thought realtime would be a problem [13:35] i think your user needs to be in the audio group or something [13:36] not entirely sure but it's a permissions thing [13:37] Which group, and thanks [13:37] i think the "audio" group [13:37] (would need confirming) [13:39] gksu /usr/bin/qjackctl works fine so it is permissions [13:39] seems to be something with /etc/security/limits.conf in addition to adding yourself to the audio folder [13:39] There is no audio group [13:39] apparently adding "@audio - rtprio 99" to that file helps [13:39] you'll have to add it then :p [13:40] sudo addgroup audio [13:41] hmm, possibly sudo addgroup -system audio [13:41] done that with gedit [13:41] (again, i'm a bit rusty on this... i've been relying on things like ubuntu studio and kxstudio to do this stuff for me :( ) [13:42] Thats it, it running with added audio group [13:42] I've got no errors and I've got the connections pane up [13:42] ah ok [13:42] do you have a "system" client showing in each side? [13:43] No [13:43] Empty [13:43] :s [13:43] mine shows up system on both sides, and a pulseaudio jack sink [13:44] from there all i have to do is drag capture_1 to playback_1 and capture_2 etc [13:44] that *should* let you hear it [13:44] but again, only if they're there in the first place... [13:44] Ah hang on [13:45] No it's the permissions thing again. I forgot I launched it with gksu [13:45] ah [13:46] did you add yourself to the audio group? [13:46] lets just try it that way for now see if anything works [13:46] i'm sure there's a command for it but the way i've had to do it is to use gedit/nano and edit /etc/group manually [13:46] Yep I now got system on both sides [13:46] expand it and see what you get [13:47] Capture1 and 2 and 8 playbacks [13:47] o... sounds like a bit of a challenge to find the right ones :o [13:47] Capture 1 is probably the mics [13:47] patchage should give you a better idea of which one is which [13:48] capture 1 and 2 are your stereo input, so 1 = left channel, 2 = right [13:48] if it's a mic then chances are both will be the same thing [13:48] I clicked connect on capture one and mic is working it connected to all 8 playbacks [13:49] i've got to get to sleep, but if you're using something like audacity for recording, all you need to do is select jack as the audio system, and after a bit of fiddling you'll be away [13:50] ok guitar now works on line one. Yeah. Far bit of lag though about a tenth of a second [13:51] try lowering frames/period and restarting jack, hopefully you can get it closer [13:51] Settings is manic wow [13:52] good luck with it, hopefully you get it sorted out (with someone more helpful :p) [13:52] Learning curve here I see. And the perrmissions need sorting out. [13:52] Thanks for hlep At least I knopw it should all work now [13:52] no problem :) [16:52] Hi, Just got jack up and running ok. How can I get 2 inputs going e.g mic and linein. Seem to be able to only have one in sound prefs === komputes_ubuntu is now known as komputes [17:00] philinux: if this is an internal card [17:00] its only a 2 channel deal [17:01] if you were going to use the mic and line intputs at the same time [17:01] the hardware would need to support 4 channel recording [17:01] im not saying its impossible [17:02] BUT it might be the kind of thing that would require some ALSA hacking and a soldering iron [17:03] Err integrated, motherboard is asus m3a78-eh. Manual says alc883 hd audio 8channel codec supports jack-detect etc [17:03] 8channel out [17:03] 2 channel in [17:03] Ah ok, newbie here re sound stuff [17:03] nah [17:03] no worries [17:04] integrated consumer grade cards dont usually have more than a stereo in [17:04] So does that mean one input at a time [17:04] that means 2 channels [17:04] Ah stereo you mean [17:04] philinux: if your trying to do guitar and something else [17:05] you can utilize the stereo in [17:05] guitar and mike both mono [17:05] as a 2 track recorder [17:05] philinux: exactly [17:05] right and left dont matter [17:05] til you mix down [17:06] you can have 2 mono channels coming in to JACK [17:06] I have a mixing deck old tascam 4 track tape [17:06] cool [17:06] philinux: you can do some fancy routing to those 4 channels [17:06] with the 8 outputs from that card [17:06] BUT [17:06] i wouldnt [17:06] Ah ok [17:07] those little 1/4 inch consumer jacks will add more noise than its worth [17:07] Or what you saying is split stereo into two channel input with plug splitter of some sort [17:07] 1/8 inch *** [17:07] philinux: do you have any preamps? [17:07] mic preamp? [17:08] preamp in guitar, electro acoustic [17:08] i usually suggest getting a cheap mixer [17:08] Oh well already there then with tascam eh [17:09] something like this http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer-EURORACK-UB802-Mixer-102331477-i1153481.gc?source=4WFRWXX&CAWELAID=29484770 [17:09] the tascam tape deck? [17:09] its got preamps? [17:09] anyways [17:09] these little mixers are cheap [17:09] and you can use them on the way into the card [17:10] Looks like my tascam mixer deck. It was £350 when new ten years ago [17:10] and pan inputs however [17:10] OR join other inputs together into one channel [17:10] and since the quality is decent [17:10] when you decide to upgrade [17:11] you can move that to the monitoring side of your setup [17:11] It's a portastudio 414 [17:11] yup [17:11] its a tape deck [17:11] Not used it for ages [17:11] you might want a mixer [17:12] pops up images on google though [17:12] something with some decent preamps on it [17:12] yeah [17:12] Has it not got preamps [17:12] i had one of those ;) [17:12] you can try using it [17:13] philinux: just think signal path [17:13] you got you nice guitar [17:13] I've still got a 4mm stereo jack to to phono lead. I could plug that into pc subwoofer mic input [17:13] and your going to route it through those preamps [17:13] THEN [17:14] some bunch of little adapters from the radioshack [17:14] yamaha apx 6la [17:14] into you consumer grade 1/8 inch input [17:14] you might want to think about replacing some of that signal path [17:14] as you go [17:14] Already got those adapters [17:14] Brain was not in gear this aft [17:15] What do you mean signal path? [17:15] where your signal is going [17:15] before you record it [17:15] take those adapters [17:15] You mean better sound card [17:15] philinux: when you go to a pro studio [17:16] think about the signal path [17:16] Ok you mean like gold plated connectors etc [17:16] they're going to have a nice high-end mic [17:16] philinux: NO [17:16] that dont matter [17:16] im talking about gear [17:16] Ah I got a nice mic [17:16] that doesnt have 1/8 inch connectors [17:17] non-consumer level gear [17:17] philinux: SO [17:17] the studio [17:17] plugs the mic in to a nice preamp [17:17] and that goes balanced to tape [17:17] either a hard disk [17:17] or anolog [17:17] whatever [17:18] the signal *never* goes through any 1/8 inch adapters [17:18] and there are some relatively resonably priced ways to get that kind of signal path going [17:18] in the future [17:19] Ah ok . You loose signal through those 1/8 inch things then I guess [17:19] it unbalanced too [17:19] your mic has 3 wires [17:20] OR should [17:20] Yeah just check large 3 socket connector [17:20] and that gets paired down to 2 wires somewhere before you record it [17:20] thats a loss right there [17:20] Ah ok [17:20] not that you cant get started with what you got [17:20] and make some nice recordings [17:21] Tascam only has 1/8 inch stuff I see now [17:21] your sound card only has that [17:21] tascam probably has 1/4 inch outs [17:21] but i think they are unbalanced [17:21] Yeah, and phono, So for home use should be ok then [17:22] phono is unbalanced [17:22] just depends on what your trying to accomplish really [17:22] recording-wise [17:23] thats why i really like the firewire and USB interfaces [17:23] with decent preamps [17:23] and balanced ins [17:23] you plug into those [17:23] and the signal path stays clean and balanced [17:23] Are you saying a better sound card with balance inputs [17:23] all the way to the hard drive [17:23] and some of those can be quite cheap [17:24] philinux: im just saying, consider a sound card that is appropriate for recording [17:24] that card is made for surround sound output [17:24] and probably does a great job of it [17:25] Righto. What do you consider a good budget card with decent inputs. [17:25] the delta 1010lt is cheap [17:25] and has 2 nice preamps [17:25] BUT [17:25] no phantom power [17:25] and the other 6 inputs are unbalanced [17:26] but, its a pci card and under 200US [17:26] i think there are some ALSA compatible maudio USB interfaces too [17:26] under 200US [17:26] with a couple balanced inputs [17:27] i dont think the preamps are great though [17:28] Ok. Cheers. For now I'll have a go with the tascam to get the two inputs and see where we go and what the sound recorded is like. [17:28] this [17:28] http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/217906-REG/M_Audio_9900_50765_00_Audiophile_2496_PCI_Digital.html [17:28] is not balanced either [17:28] but quite a step up [17:28] philinux: yeah [17:28] i think its a good idea to get rolling with what you have [17:28] and then you'll find out what you need as you go [17:28] how many imputs you need [17:29] do you need preamps? [17:29] that kind of thing [17:30] Just a basic set up to start with 2 inputs guitar and mic. I just located my 1/8 inch stereo to 2 mono 1/4 inch cabel lol [17:31] i still have some of those around here :) [17:31] from when i used to do it that way [17:32] Yamaha guitar doesn.t sound to bad through pc subwoofer and satelite speakers [17:33] cool [17:33] * holstein doenst trust subwoofers [17:33] usually [17:34] when checking for phase cancelation and whatnot [17:34] Only budget labtec stuff but has passable sound [17:34] but yeah, i bet it sounds great :) [17:34] * holstein finally got some decent headphone [17:34] s [17:34] some comfortable ones [17:35] Thanks for your help. The fog has cleared a bit now. [17:35] without a bunch of boomy extra bass [17:35] philinux: anytime [17:35] Wonder what the fender will sound like [17:35] hehe [17:35] electric guitar? [17:35] American strat [17:35] if you mic the cabinet [17:36] probably get some warmer sound [17:36] BUT [17:36] rakarrack is awesome [17:36] rakarack? [17:36] i think its in lucid [17:36] ok i'll check that out [17:37] http://rakarrack.sourceforge.net/ [17:37] nice effects processor [17:37] can be annoying with 10+ms latency though [17:37] you can add it to the track after you record it though [17:38] Is there a jack effecst plugin [17:38] theres a bunch [17:38] i tend to use rakarrack [17:38] Choices eh [17:38] for a lot of things [17:38] because its fast and light [17:38] and sounds good [17:38] but theres jackrack? [17:39] Does it utilise jack [17:39] yeah JACK rack [17:39] that lets you load effects that way [17:39] and route in JACK [17:39] philinux: rakarrack loves the JACK :) [17:39] ok [17:39] * holstein is a rakarrack fanboy [17:40] playtime [17:40] enjoy [17:40] check out #opensourcemusicians [17:40] theres a podcast [17:40] I got a epiphone gibson les paul too [17:40] there was a review not too long ago of rakarrack and guitarX [17:40] philinux: nice [17:41] my girlfriend has an old L-00 [17:41] quite an amazing acoustic axe [17:41] she came up with a little slogan for them.. [17:42] 'gibson, the wrong note never sounded so good' [17:42] lol [17:42] Sad to say I let my marshall amp go two years ago. Too big. Got a line 6 combo instead [17:43] line 6 is nice [17:43] * holstein not a big fan of the marshall gear really [17:43] The marshall was heavy [17:43] And the preamp had gone [17:43] * holstein uses acoustic image [17:44] The line 6 is a spyder 2 [17:44] i got the older version of http://www.acousticimg.com/products/prod_corus.html [17:44] * holstein hates amps [17:44] if i gotta use one [17:44] that one will do [17:45] Nice [17:45] Do soundblaster make any useful audio cards [17:46] philinux: sure [17:46] for the output side [17:46] philinux: think of it this way [17:46] what professional studio uses sound blaster gear? [17:47] none of them [17:47] Ah [17:47] not that you gotta go drop 10 grand [17:47] but you can find some gear with a lot of bang for the buck [17:47] BUT you want something where the inputs are being considered [17:48] not only the outputs [17:50] What about this. http://www.westenddj.co.uk/Product/M-AUDIO/DJ_Effects_and_Production/DELTA44/GoogleBase/ [17:50] DJ gear I know [17:50] 4x4 analogue break-out box accepts balanced or unbalanced connections on 1/4 inch tip-ring-sleeve (TRS) jacks [17:51] 4x4 24 bit/96kHz full-duplex recording interface [17:51] Measured A/D specs: 99dB (A-weighted) dynamic range, 0.0023% THD @ 0dBFS [17:51] thats a good price too [17:51] yeah [17:51] Need a translation here lol [17:52] i would check and make sure linux likes it [17:52] but im pretty sure it does [17:52] i go to http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main [17:53] http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ice1712 [17:53] i like it [17:54] you go out and buy a 800 dollar preamp in the future [17:54] and you got nice balanced inputs to support that [17:54] SO this thing will grow with your needs [17:54] until you need more than 4 inputs [17:55] Well I'll have a go with two first and that's a fairly cheap option [17:55] philinux: totally [17:55] i had priced that card way back [17:55] when i was looking [17:56] Would you still need the tascam mixing deck with that or.. [17:56] you would want some preamps [17:56] probably [17:56] depending on what your doing [17:56] Ok well lets keep it with what I've got for now. Play with it and see [17:57] you can build yourself 4 of these [17:57] http://www.seventhcircleaudio.com/ [17:57] philinux: good idea [17:58] Ok well cheers. Gotta eat! lol. Many thanks for help [19:26] Hi, Got jack and ardour working. Recording and playback works fine. If I use rakarack I get silence how do I get sound [19:50] * philinux has sorted it out. Apart from noise on gary moore and satriani effect. Like clicking annoying