[00:44] <blind> can I install ubuntustudio from a usb drive? It boots into the setup, but the setup has the incessant need to bring CD-ROMs into the picture.
[00:45] <blind> like pfft, who uses those things anymore
[07:24] <holstein> blind: you can
[07:24] <holstein> theres a link...
[07:24]  * holstein looking
[07:28] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller
[07:28] <holstein> im pretty sure that it it^^
[07:29] <holstein> you want to find the way the alternate installer is used via USB sticks
[07:29] <holstein> i was told that it is possible
[12:38] <philinux> Hi, I cant get any sound from microphone or guitar plugged in to  pc. Sounds works fine otherwise
[12:57] <crysaz> philinux: you need to more specific with your problem
[12:58] <philinux> crysaz: Hi, I can get mic1 to record with sound recorder but nothing through speakers during recording
[12:59] <philinux> If I switch to line in with guitar plugged in I get  nothing through speakers
[12:59] <crysaz> check your alsamixer configuration. have you muted your inputs?
[13:00] <philinux> Checked that nothing muted
[13:00] <crysaz> ..and you are using jack? have you patched input to outputs?
[13:01] <philinux> No jack at all
[13:01] <philinux> I used to be able to plug guitar into mic socket of subwoofer and it played fine in previous ubuntu's
[13:02] <philinux> running 10.04
[13:02] <crysaz> so you are using pulseaudio for routing. have you double checked setting there?
[13:02] <philinux> Default install, what do I check?
[13:03] <crysaz> systemp->prefs->sound  input
[13:04] <philinux> Input set to mic1 which will record silently with sound recorder. Playback is fine
[13:05] <crysaz> so you can record from input and play it over, but you can't get any direct sound of the machine?
[13:07] <philinux> Thats it. Playing vids cd's or flash on net is fine
[13:08] <crysaz> i think that's a feature. in conventional applications, it would be a bad thing to route microfone to output
[13:08] <crysaz> *microphone
[13:08] <philinux> Ah feedback etc
[13:09] <philinux> Just tried guitar through line in and same thing silently records, playback fine
[13:09] <crysaz> you should use jack instead. that way, you can use your computer as an amplifier and as an efect box
[13:10] <philinux> righto, is it easy to setup. How come pulse cant do it?
[13:10] <Blank__> what about using jack because it's just naturally more awesome :p
[13:13] <crysaz> pulse tries to be simple. if you need more, there's jack. it is awesome. you know, awsome.
[13:13] <philinux> Do I just install jack or are there other packages too
[13:18] <Blank__> chances are you've already got it in some form
[13:18] <Blank__> do you have/use ardour?
[13:21] <philinux> This is a vanilla 10.04 install. I just installed jack. Newbie at sound stuff. I want to record mic and guitar. Effects can come after I got it set up ok
[13:21] <Blank__> ah...
[13:21] <Blank__> if you install jack, also get qjackctl and patchage
[13:22] <philinux> I got synaptic up so hang on
[13:22] <Blank__> both incredibly useful, although qjackctl has a more basic way to connect stuff than patchage, i like patchage's GUI
[13:23] <Blank__> qjackctl will help with running jack if you aren't using something like ardour that attempts to start jack automatically
[13:23] <philinux> ok installed. I ticked enable realtime priority
[13:24] <Blank__> lowering... frames i think it is, lowers latency, at the cost of potential skips
[13:25] <Blank__> but yeah, if you can get jack started successfully, you're halfway there
[13:26] <philinux> ok what do I do now I got Jack control and patchage in menus
[13:26] <Blank__> is jack running?
[13:27] <philinux> It says stopped
[13:27] <Blank__> so if you try pressing start nothing happens?
[13:30] <philinux> Errors. http://imagebin.ca/view/tbEzKsw.html
[13:33] <philinux> What do i do next to get this going?
[13:35] <Blank__> let's see
[13:35] <Blank__> ah... thought realtime would be a problem
[13:35] <Blank__> i think your user needs to be in the audio group or something
[13:36] <Blank__> not entirely sure but it's a permissions thing
[13:37] <philinux> Which group, and thanks
[13:37] <Blank__> i think the "audio" group
[13:37] <Blank__> (would need confirming)
[13:39] <philinux> gksu /usr/bin/qjackctl works fine so it is permissions
[13:39] <Blank__> seems to be something with /etc/security/limits.conf in addition to adding yourself to the audio folder
[13:39] <philinux> There is no audio group
[13:39] <Blank__> apparently adding "@audio          -       rtprio          99" to that file helps
[13:39] <Blank__> you'll have to add it then :p
[13:40] <Blank__> sudo addgroup audio
[13:41] <Blank__> hmm, possibly sudo addgroup -system audio
[13:41] <philinux> done that with gedit
[13:41] <Blank__> (again, i'm a bit rusty on this... i've been relying on things like ubuntu studio and kxstudio to do this stuff for me :( )
[13:42] <philinux> Thats it, it running with added audio group
[13:42] <philinux> I've got no errors and I've got the connections pane up
[13:42] <Blank__> ah ok
[13:42] <Blank__> do you have a "system" client showing in each side?
[13:43] <philinux> No
[13:43] <philinux> Empty
[13:43] <Blank__> :s
[13:43] <Blank__> mine shows up system on both sides, and a pulseaudio jack sink
[13:44] <Blank__> from there all i have to do is drag capture_1 to playback_1 and capture_2 etc
[13:44] <Blank__> that *should* let you hear it
[13:44] <Blank__> but again, only if they're there in the first place...
[13:44] <philinux> Ah hang on
[13:45] <philinux> No it's the permissions thing again. I forgot I launched it with gksu
[13:45] <Blank__> ah
[13:46] <Blank__> did you add yourself to the audio group?
[13:46] <philinux> lets just try it that way for now see if anything works
[13:46] <Blank__> i'm sure there's a command for it but the way i've had to do it is to use gedit/nano and edit /etc/group manually
[13:46] <philinux> Yep I now got system on both sides
[13:46] <Blank__> expand it and see what you get
[13:47] <philinux> Capture1 and 2 and 8 playbacks
[13:47] <Blank__> o... sounds like a bit of a challenge to find the right ones :o
[13:47] <philinux> Capture 1 is probably the mics
[13:47] <Blank__> patchage should give you a better idea of which one is which
[13:48] <Blank__> capture 1 and 2 are your stereo input, so 1 = left channel, 2 = right
[13:48] <Blank__> if it's a mic then chances are both will be the same thing
[13:48] <philinux> I clicked connect on capture one and mic is working it connected to all 8 playbacks
[13:49] <Blank__> i've got to get to sleep, but if you're using something like audacity for recording, all you need to do is select jack as the audio system, and after a bit of fiddling you'll be away
[13:50] <philinux> ok guitar now works on line one. Yeah. Far bit of lag though about a tenth of a second
[13:51] <Blank__> try lowering frames/period and restarting jack, hopefully you can get it closer
[13:51] <philinux> Settings is manic wow
[13:52] <Blank__> good luck with it, hopefully you get it sorted out (with someone more helpful :p)
[13:52] <philinux> Learning curve here I see. And the perrmissions need sorting out.
[13:52] <philinux> Thanks for hlep At least I knopw it should all work now
[13:52] <Blank__> no problem :)
[16:52] <philinux> Hi, Just got jack up and running ok. How can I get 2 inputs going e.g mic and linein. Seem to be able to only have one in sound prefs
[17:00] <holstein> philinux: if this is an internal card
[17:00] <holstein> its only a 2 channel deal
[17:01] <holstein> if you were going to use the mic and line intputs at the same time
[17:01] <holstein> the hardware would need to support 4 channel recording
[17:01] <holstein> im not saying its impossible
[17:02] <holstein> BUT it might be the kind of thing that would require some ALSA hacking and a soldering iron
[17:03] <philinux> Err integrated, motherboard is asus m3a78-eh. Manual says alc883 hd audio 8channel codec supports jack-detect etc
[17:03] <holstein> 8channel out
[17:03] <holstein> 2 channel in
[17:03] <philinux> Ah ok, newbie here re sound stuff
[17:03] <holstein> nah
[17:03] <holstein> no worries
[17:04] <holstein> integrated consumer grade cards dont usually have more than a stereo in
[17:04] <philinux> So does that mean one input at a time
[17:04] <holstein> that means 2 channels
[17:04] <philinux> Ah stereo you mean
[17:04] <holstein> philinux: if your trying to do guitar and something else
[17:05] <holstein> you can utilize the stereo in
[17:05] <philinux> guitar and mike both mono
[17:05] <holstein> as a 2 track recorder
[17:05] <holstein> philinux: exactly
[17:05] <holstein> right and left dont matter
[17:05] <holstein> til you mix down
[17:06] <holstein> you can have 2 mono channels coming in to JACK
[17:06] <philinux> I have a mixing deck old tascam 4 track tape
[17:06] <holstein> cool
[17:06] <holstein> philinux: you can do some fancy routing to those 4 channels
[17:06] <holstein> with the 8 outputs from that card
[17:06] <holstein> BUT
[17:06] <holstein> i wouldnt
[17:06] <philinux> Ah ok
[17:07] <holstein> those little 1/4 inch consumer jacks will add more noise than its worth
[17:07] <philinux> Or what you saying is split stereo into two channel input with plug splitter of some sort
[17:07] <holstein> 1/8 inch ***
[17:07] <holstein> philinux: do you have any preamps?
[17:07] <holstein> mic preamp?
[17:08] <philinux> preamp in guitar, electro acoustic
[17:08] <holstein> i usually suggest getting a cheap mixer
[17:08] <philinux> Oh well already there then with tascam eh
[17:09] <holstein> something like this http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer-EURORACK-UB802-Mixer-102331477-i1153481.gc?source=4WFRWXX&CAWELAID=29484770
[17:09] <holstein> the tascam tape deck?
[17:09] <holstein> its got preamps?
[17:09] <holstein> anyways
[17:09] <holstein> these little mixers are cheap
[17:09] <holstein> and you can use them on the way into the card
[17:10] <philinux> Looks like my tascam mixer deck. It was £350 when new ten years ago
[17:10] <holstein> and pan inputs however
[17:10] <holstein> OR join other inputs together into one channel
[17:10] <holstein> and since the quality is decent
[17:10] <holstein> when you decide to upgrade
[17:11] <holstein> you can move that to the monitoring side of your setup
[17:11] <philinux> It's a portastudio 414
[17:11] <holstein> yup
[17:11] <holstein> its a tape deck
[17:11] <philinux> Not used it for ages
[17:11] <holstein> you might want a mixer
[17:12] <philinux> pops up images on google though
[17:12] <holstein> something with some decent preamps on it
[17:12] <holstein> yeah
[17:12] <philinux> Has it not got preamps
[17:12] <holstein> i had one of those ;)
[17:12] <holstein> you can try using it
[17:13] <holstein> philinux: just think signal path
[17:13] <holstein> you got you nice guitar
[17:13] <philinux> I've still got a 4mm stereo jack to to phono lead. I could plug that into pc subwoofer mic input
[17:13] <holstein> and your going to route it through those preamps
[17:13] <holstein> THEN
[17:14] <holstein> some bunch of little adapters from the radioshack
[17:14] <philinux> yamaha apx 6la
[17:14] <holstein> into you consumer grade 1/8 inch input
[17:14] <holstein> you might want to think about replacing some of that signal path
[17:14] <holstein> as you go
[17:14] <philinux> Already got those adapters
[17:14] <philinux> Brain was not in gear this aft
[17:15] <philinux> What do you mean signal path?
[17:15] <holstein> where your signal is going
[17:15] <holstein> before you record it
[17:15] <holstein> take those adapters
[17:15] <philinux> You mean better sound card
[17:15] <holstein> philinux: when you go to a pro studio
[17:16] <holstein> think about the signal path
[17:16] <philinux> Ok  you mean like gold plated connectors etc
[17:16] <holstein> they're going to have a nice high-end mic
[17:16] <holstein> philinux: NO
[17:16] <holstein> that dont matter
[17:16] <holstein> im talking about gear
[17:16] <philinux> Ah I got a nice mic
[17:16] <holstein> that doesnt have 1/8 inch connectors
[17:17] <holstein> non-consumer level gear
[17:17] <holstein> philinux: SO
[17:17] <holstein> the studio
[17:17] <holstein> plugs the mic in to a nice preamp
[17:17] <holstein> and that goes balanced to tape
[17:17] <holstein> either a hard disk
[17:17] <holstein> or anolog
[17:17] <holstein> whatever
[17:18] <holstein> the signal *never* goes through any 1/8 inch adapters
[17:18] <holstein> and there are some relatively resonably priced ways to get that kind of signal path going
[17:18] <holstein> in the future
[17:19] <philinux> Ah ok . You loose signal through those 1/8 inch things then I guess
[17:19] <holstein> it unbalanced too
[17:19] <holstein> your mic has 3 wires
[17:20] <holstein> OR should
[17:20] <philinux> Yeah just check large 3 socket connector
[17:20] <holstein> and that gets paired down to 2 wires somewhere before you record it
[17:20] <holstein> thats a loss right there
[17:20] <philinux> Ah ok
[17:20] <holstein> not that you cant get started with what you got
[17:20] <holstein> and make some nice recordings
[17:21] <philinux> Tascam only has 1/8 inch stuff I see now
[17:21] <holstein> your sound card only has that
[17:21] <holstein> tascam probably has 1/4 inch outs
[17:21] <holstein> but i think they are unbalanced
[17:21] <philinux> Yeah, and phono, So for home use should be ok then
[17:22] <holstein> phono is unbalanced
[17:22] <holstein> just depends on what your trying to accomplish really
[17:22] <holstein> recording-wise
[17:23] <holstein> thats why i really like the firewire and USB interfaces
[17:23] <holstein> with decent preamps
[17:23] <holstein> and balanced ins
[17:23] <holstein> you plug into those
[17:23] <holstein> and the signal path stays clean and balanced
[17:23] <philinux> Are you saying a better sound card with balance inputs
[17:23] <holstein> all the way to the hard drive
[17:23] <holstein> and some of those can be quite cheap
[17:24] <holstein> philinux: im just saying, consider a sound card that is appropriate for recording
[17:24] <holstein> that card is made for surround sound output
[17:24] <holstein> and probably does a great job of it
[17:25] <philinux> Righto. What do you consider a good budget card with decent inputs.
[17:25] <holstein> the delta 1010lt is cheap
[17:25] <holstein> and has 2 nice preamps
[17:25] <holstein> BUT
[17:25] <holstein> no phantom power
[17:25] <holstein> and the other 6 inputs are unbalanced
[17:26] <holstein> but, its a pci card and under 200US
[17:26] <holstein> i think there are some ALSA compatible maudio USB interfaces too
[17:26] <holstein> under 200US
[17:26] <holstein> with a couple balanced inputs
[17:27] <holstein> i dont think the preamps are great though
[17:28] <philinux> Ok. Cheers. For now I'll have a go with the tascam to get the two inputs and see where we go and what the sound recorded is like.
[17:28] <holstein> this
[17:28] <holstein> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/217906-REG/M_Audio_9900_50765_00_Audiophile_2496_PCI_Digital.html
[17:28] <holstein> is not balanced either
[17:28] <holstein> but quite a step up
[17:28] <holstein> philinux: yeah
[17:28] <holstein> i think its a good idea to get rolling with what you have
[17:28] <holstein> and then you'll find out what you need as you go
[17:28] <holstein> how many imputs you need
[17:29] <holstein> do you need preamps?
[17:29] <holstein> that kind of thing
[17:30] <philinux> Just  a basic set up to start with 2 inputs guitar and mic. I just located my 1/8 inch stereo to  2 mono 1/4 inch cabel lol
[17:31] <holstein> i still have some of those around here :)
[17:31] <holstein> from when i used to do it that way
[17:32] <philinux> Yamaha guitar doesn.t sound to bad through pc subwoofer and satelite speakers
[17:33] <holstein> cool
[17:33]  * holstein doenst trust subwoofers
[17:33] <holstein> usually
[17:34] <holstein> when checking for phase cancelation and whatnot
[17:34] <philinux> Only budget labtec stuff but has passable sound
[17:34] <holstein> but yeah, i bet it sounds great :)
[17:34]  * holstein finally got some decent headphone
[17:34] <holstein> s
[17:34] <holstein> some comfortable ones
[17:35] <philinux> Thanks for your help. The fog has cleared a bit now.
[17:35] <holstein> without a bunch of boomy extra bass
[17:35] <holstein> philinux: anytime
[17:35] <philinux> Wonder what the fender will sound like
[17:35] <holstein> hehe
[17:35] <holstein> electric guitar?
[17:35] <philinux> American strat
[17:35] <holstein> if you mic the cabinet
[17:36] <holstein> probably get some warmer sound
[17:36] <holstein> BUT
[17:36] <holstein> rakarrack is awesome
[17:36] <philinux> rakarack?
[17:36] <holstein> i think its in lucid
[17:36] <philinux> ok i'll check that out
[17:37] <holstein> http://rakarrack.sourceforge.net/
[17:37] <holstein> nice effects processor
[17:37] <holstein> can be annoying with 10+ms latency though
[17:37] <holstein> you can add it to the track after you record it though
[17:38] <philinux> Is there a jack effecst plugin
[17:38] <holstein> theres a bunch
[17:38] <holstein> i tend to use rakarrack
[17:38] <philinux> Choices eh
[17:38] <holstein> for a lot of things
[17:38] <holstein> because its fast and light
[17:38] <holstein> and sounds good
[17:38] <holstein> but theres jackrack?
[17:39] <philinux> Does it utilise jack
[17:39] <holstein> yeah JACK rack
[17:39] <holstein> that lets you load effects that way
[17:39] <holstein> and route in JACK
[17:39] <holstein> philinux: rakarrack loves the JACK :)
[17:39] <philinux> ok
[17:39]  * holstein is a rakarrack fanboy
[17:40] <philinux> playtime
[17:40] <holstein> enjoy
[17:40] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians
[17:40] <holstein> theres a podcast
[17:40] <philinux> I got a epiphone gibson les paul too
[17:40] <holstein> there was a review not too long ago of rakarrack and guitarX
[17:40] <holstein> philinux: nice
[17:41] <holstein> my girlfriend has an old L-00
[17:41] <holstein> quite an amazing acoustic axe
[17:41] <holstein> she came up with a little slogan for them..
[17:42] <holstein> 'gibson, the wrong note never sounded so good'
[17:42] <philinux> lol
[17:42] <philinux> Sad to say I let my marshall amp go two years ago. Too big. Got a line 6 combo instead
[17:43] <holstein> line 6 is nice
[17:43]  * holstein not a big fan of the marshall gear really
[17:43] <philinux> The marshall was heavy
[17:43] <philinux> And the preamp had gone
[17:43]  * holstein uses acoustic image
[17:44] <philinux> The line 6 is a spyder 2
[17:44] <holstein> i got the older version of http://www.acousticimg.com/products/prod_corus.html
[17:44]  * holstein hates amps
[17:44] <holstein> if i gotta use one
[17:44] <holstein> that one will do
[17:45] <philinux> Nice
[17:45] <philinux> Do soundblaster make any useful audio cards
[17:46] <holstein> philinux: sure
[17:46] <holstein> for the output side
[17:46] <holstein> philinux: think of it this way
[17:46] <holstein> what professional studio uses sound blaster gear?
[17:47] <holstein> none of them
[17:47] <philinux> Ah
[17:47] <holstein> not that you gotta go drop 10 grand
[17:47] <holstein> but you can find some gear with a lot of bang for the buck
[17:47] <holstein> BUT you want something where the inputs are being considered
[17:48] <holstein> not only the outputs
[17:50] <philinux> What about this. http://www.westenddj.co.uk/Product/M-AUDIO/DJ_Effects_and_Production/DELTA44/GoogleBase/
[17:50] <philinux> DJ gear I know
[17:50] <holstein> 4x4 analogue break-out box accepts balanced or unbalanced connections on 1/4 inch tip-ring-sleeve (TRS) jacks
[17:51] <holstein> 4x4 24 bit/96kHz full-duplex recording interface
[17:51] <holstein> Measured A/D specs: 99dB (A-weighted) dynamic range, 0.0023% THD @ 0dBFS
[17:51] <holstein> thats a good price too
[17:51] <holstein> yeah
[17:51] <philinux> Need a translation here lol
[17:52] <holstein> i would check and make sure linux likes it
[17:52] <holstein> but im pretty sure it does
[17:52] <holstein> i go to http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[17:53] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-ice1712
[17:53] <holstein> i like it
[17:54] <holstein> you go out and buy a 800 dollar preamp in the future
[17:54] <holstein> and you got nice balanced inputs to support that
[17:54] <holstein> SO this thing will grow with your needs
[17:54] <holstein> until you need more than 4 inputs
[17:55] <philinux> Well I'll have a go with two first and that's a fairly cheap option
[17:55] <holstein> philinux: totally
[17:55] <holstein> i had priced that card way back
[17:55] <holstein> when i was looking
[17:56] <philinux> Would you still need the tascam mixing deck with that or..
[17:56] <holstein> you would want some preamps
[17:56] <holstein> probably
[17:56] <holstein> depending on what your doing
[17:56] <philinux> Ok well lets keep it with what I've got for now. Play with it and see
[17:57] <holstein> you can build yourself 4 of these
[17:57] <holstein> http://www.seventhcircleaudio.com/
[17:57] <holstein> philinux: good idea
[17:58] <philinux> Ok well cheers. Gotta eat! lol. Many thanks for help
[19:26] <philinux> Hi, Got jack and ardour working. Recording and playback works fine. If I use rakarack I get silence how do I get sound
[19:50]  * philinux has sorted it out. Apart from noise on gary moore and satriani effect. Like clicking annoying