[00:00] <jessebye> time to reboot... gbye
[00:09] <jesse_> OK, I'm back. How much faster is Xubuntu compared to Ubuntu??
[00:13] <jessebye> anyone there?
[03:25] <pietime> does thunar work with samba
[03:49] <LeoIII> Hello
[03:49] <LeoIII> May anybody help me?
[03:51] <LeoIII> Hello...
[03:51] <LeoIII> -_-
[03:51] <LeoIII> Thanks
[03:51] <LeoIII> I'll be here
[03:52] <LeoIII> if someone wants to talk
[03:54] <LeoIII> Are you reading this?
[03:57] <LeoIII> I speak spanish
[03:57] <LeoIII> 63 users and none wants to help me.
[03:57] <LeoIII> -_-
[04:00] <LeoIII> Hello
[04:00] <LeoIII> I need help with Xubuntu.
[04:01] <LeoIII> hey
[04:04] <LeoIII> hey
[04:14] <kiilop> hello :-) i just installed xubuntu on my netbook (toshiba nb200) and I'm having a few problems with the sound... it was working only using headphones, but not from the speakers. then I tried the common fix, disabling pulseaudio and adding OSS. now the sound works great, but even if I plug a headphone on it, the sound doesnt stop coming from the speakers, which annoys me and the people around me... i tried to "mute" the speaker from t
[04:16] <charlie-tca> !headphones
[04:17] <charlie-tca> !audio | kiilop
[04:18] <charlie-tca> kiilop: there is also a channel specific to audio issues, which may be more than we can be here.
[04:18] <pietime> i dont understand how you can say xubuntu is less resource hungry when it idles at only 20 mb less ram than ubuntu
[04:18] <charlie-tca> It is  #ubuntu-audio-hhelp
[04:18] <charlie-tca> pietime: is 20mb less than what ubuntu uses?
[04:19] <pietime> yes
[04:19] <charlie-tca> that would make it "less"
[04:19] <kiilop> charlie-tca: thank you, I'll give a look on these links and then join the channel you mentioned. thanks again. :-)
[04:19] <charlie-tca> Does it use less hard drive?
[04:19] <charlie-tca> yes
[04:19] <charlie-tca> kiilop: You are welcome
[04:19] <pietime> thats not a significant difference
[04:20] <charlie-tca> 20mb less ram also depends on what you have installed yourself.
[04:20] <charlie-tca> We count what the default installation is.
[04:21] <pietime> i think xubuntu's days are numbered now with this new freak out on the market called lubuntu
[04:22] <pietime> sorry am i being a butt head
[04:23] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu has its own place. It is not a replacement for Xubuntu.
[04:23] <charlie-tca> Have you tried it?
[04:23] <pietime> sure have
[04:23] <charlie-tca> It does use 30% less resources than Xubuntu. It also leaves a lot to be desired, at least by my standards of use.
[04:24] <pietime> My system idles at about 110 mb
[04:25] <charlie-tca> Here is a pretty accurate test of the available desktops - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1
[04:31] <kiilop> charlie-tca: This may be really dumb, but I don't even know how to check my Sound Preferences on Xubuntu. the "options" the bot told me to follow don't exist in 10.04... or I'm really blind.
[04:33] <charlie-tca> double-click the speaker
[04:33] <charlie-tca> then click the controls tab and see if there is a headphones in there. If there is, you need to select it, then mute the master volume
[04:34]  * charlie-tca thinks, anyway
[04:34] <charlie-tca> could be wrong, though
[04:34] <charlie-tca> I don't know the audio side of things very well
[04:35] <kiilop> hmm, lemme see...
[04:38] <Ciruelo> hi, how can start 2 sessions on xubuntu? (to be switch by CTRL ALT F7 - F8) like Ubuntu?
[04:38] <kiilop> actually it shows me 2 sound cards available. both have the same name, but one has (v4 Audio Mixer) next to it. this one has at least 15 options on Select Control, none of them is called headphone and actually, only one (PCM1) really changes the volume (from both speaker and headphone).
[04:39] <kiilop> and the first card, which I haven't mentioned, just has one control  called volume, which also changes the volume for them both
[04:39] <charlie-tca> Ciruelo: should be the same way you do it in Ubuntu
[04:39] <Ciruelo> how?...
[04:39] <charlie-tca> kiilop: I am out of ideas, I'm sorry to say.
[04:40] <kiilop> charlie-tca: that's good :-) gonna try the channel you mentioned before! thank you!
[04:40] <charlie-tca> You said you want to do it "like Ubuntu". You should be able to
[04:40] <Ciruelo> Xubuntu isnt Ubuntu... i dont know how to do that in Xubuntu
[04:40] <charlie-tca> How do you do it in Ubuntu?
[04:41] <charlie-tca> Both use gdm to login to the sessions.
[04:42] <Ciruelo> y just click my other user name and a put my password... and im in gnome session.... but xubuntu dont show user names to click and start new session
[04:43] <charlie-tca> oh, ok. Maybe you need to add the User Switching applet to the panel, then. I think that is similar.
[04:43] <charlie-tca> right click the panel, left click add to ... ,
[04:44] <charlie-tca> I hope that helps you with it.
[04:44] <Ciruelo> ?   mmmh, with that i cant change my user sesion but still in Ctrl Alt F7  isnt new one... is the same session
[04:44] <nimbiotics> guys, in ubuntu I can switch  between users using ctrl-alt-F7/F8, how cna I do this in xubuntu?
[04:44] <charlie-tca> I don't think I know then
[04:45] <charlie-tca> maybe google it?
[04:45] <kiilop> oh dear, 4 people online on ubuntu-audio-help hahaha :P
[04:45] <charlie-tca> nimbiotics: don't know. Probably have to google for that one
[04:45] <nimbiotics> charlie-tca: thanks
[04:45] <charlie-tca> kiilop: I thought I said that was a chance?
[04:45] <charlie-tca> the question is "are they the right people" ?
[04:46] <kiilop> maybe!
[10:07] <Leroy> hello all, does anyone know what the use startup notification check box does in the proporties window of a launcer icon? i notice that firefox has it checked by default.
[10:08] <TheSheep> it makes the application tell the window manager when it started, so that it can change the mouse cursor from the waiting one to normal
[10:10] <Leroy> ok, thanks TheSheep i think i follow you. i'll play with that and check it out.
[10:11] <Leroy> ahh, yes i see now
[10:11] <Leroy> thanks TheSheep :)
[10:12] <janek> Hello
[10:12] <Leroy> hi
[10:12] <janek> I've had some problems with xubuntu upgrade, one lib haven't upgraded well and now I can't open a terminal when in X
[10:13] <janek> it gives me an input/output error
[10:13] <janek> what can I do?
[10:14] <Leroy> maybe try a different type of terminal?
[10:14] <Leroy> xterm maybe
[10:14] <janek> and what's the name of the default xfce terminal? I'll try to reinstall it
[10:15] <Leroy>  /usr/bin/xfce-terminal i think
[10:15] <janek> thanks
[10:15] <Leroy> terminal 0.4.3
[10:16] <Leroy> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/terminal
[10:16] <Leroy> np
[10:23] <janek> /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal: error while loading shared libraries: libvte.so.9: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[10:23] <janek> and libvte9 is installed properly
[10:23] <janek> so, what can I do? o.O
[10:26] <well_laid_lawn> !info libvte9
[10:26] <janek> it used to work before the upgrade :/
[10:27] <well_laid_lawn> maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure libvte9
[10:27] <janek> ok, I'll try
[10:27] <janek> nothing changed
[10:28] <janek> reconfiguring xfce4-terminal has no effect, either
[10:29] <well_laid_lawn> iirc xfce4-terminal is based on xterm - try to reconfigure that
[10:30] <janek> ok
[10:30] <well_laid_lawn> or   sudp ap-get reinstall xfce4-terminal   maybe
[10:31] <well_laid_lawn> or   sudo apt-get reinstall xfce4-terminal   maybe
[10:31] <well_laid_lawn> I should watch what I type...
[10:32] <janek> does apt get have reinstall option?
[10:32] <janek> mine doesn't want it
[10:36] <well_laid_lawn> it might be -reinstall - I'm not on a ubuntu based box atm to check
[10:36] <janek> --reinstall, you're right
[10:37] <janek> and it works
[10:37] <janek> thanks
[10:37] <janek> I thought that upgrades are always safe
[10:38] <janek> so thanks and bye
[11:28] <UbuntuFlo> hi, can somebody confirm, if xubuntu 10.04 ist also long-term supported?
[12:04] <UbuntuFlo> hi, can somebody confirm, if xubuntu 10.04 is also long-term supported?
[13:35] <Darkmoon_UK> Noob question... I have an xfwm4 theme that I've put in ~/.themes/
[13:35] <Darkmoon_UK> so that the associated image files etc, end up in ~/.themes/themeName/xfwm4/...
[13:36] <TheSheep> that's correct
[13:36] <Darkmoon_UK> But, the theme's not showing up in the Xubuntu, Appearance, Themes tab
[13:36] <Darkmoon_UK> I have restarted, same.
[13:36] <TheSheep> Darkmoon_UK: it's a window manager theme, it shows in window manager
[13:36] <TheSheep> settings
[13:37] <Darkmoon_UK> Ah. Thanks, so how does the Appearance tab relate to that - just colour settings for the current Window Manager theme?
[13:37] <Darkmoon_UK> Whee! So many choices now. Thanks :-)
[13:37] <Darkmoon_UK> Making Xubuntu look at sexy as it deserves.
[13:37] <Darkmoon_UK> *as
[13:38] <Darkmoon_UK> At least, without compositing... mustn't lose sight of the reason I installed it in the first place heh
[13:38] <Darkmoon_UK> (Speed, minimalism)
[13:39] <TheSheep> Darkmoon_UK: http://www.sheep.art.pl/misc/shot.png ;)
[13:39] <TheSheep> (some ideas)
[13:40] <Darkmoon_UK> NIce, is that with the ... Arg I forget the name... AWS ?
[13:40] <Darkmoon_UK> the dock.
[13:40] <TheSheep> no
[13:40] <TheSheep> standard xfce panel
[13:40] <Darkmoon_UK> Ok, I see.
[13:40] <TheSheep> those are not icons, it's the desktop switcher
[13:41] <Darkmoon_UK> To idea you back; www.alphacoder.com is, I've found, possibly the best source of lovely Desktop Wallpaper on the 'net.
[13:41] <Darkmoon_UK> Sorry www.alphacoders.com
[13:41] <Darkmoon_UK> Not that theres anything wrong with the clouds mind
[13:41] <TheSheep> 'buy this domain'
[13:41] <TheSheep> ah
[13:42] <TheSheep> noted, thanks
[13:42] <TheSheep> this is actually one of my more fancy wallpapers, normally I just use some texture, like wood
[13:43] <Darkmoon_UK> I'll usually go basic myself, but I just couldn't resist this delicious pair from alphacoders last night
[13:43] <Darkmoon_UK> http://chrishatton.homeip.net/downloads/desk.jpg
[13:43] <Darkmoon_UK> gah, 1 sec
[13:44] <Darkmoon_UK> http://chrishatton.homeip.net/downloads/desk.jpeg
[13:45] <Darkmoon_UK> I do'nt mind saying, its one of the most sexalicious backdrops my rigs been treated to in a while.
[13:45] <Darkmoon_UK> heh
[13:45] <TheSheep> http://sheep.art.pl/misc/now.png <-- this is my current
[13:46] <Darkmoon_UK> very natural, anyway better get back to work, thanks for helping me with my theme/manager confusion
[13:46] <TheSheep> thanks for the wallpapers
[13:48] <slow-motion> hi
[13:49] <UbuntuFlo> hi, can somebody confirm, if xubuntu 10.04 is also long-term supported?
[14:21] <dopey> lo
[14:25] <dopey> I have a working wifi connection using on a live cd but I can't get it to work on an installed version
[14:26] <bazhang> what chipset
[14:27] <dopey> is there a way to ccopy the working bit onto the installed partition?
[14:27] <dopey> broadcom
[14:29] <bazhang> !broadcom | dopey
[14:30] <dopey> lpci gives BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03)
[14:30] <dopey> lspci
[14:33] <bazhang> dopey, check the link above
[14:35] <dopey> will do thanks
[14:36] <UbuntuFlo> hi, can somebody confirm, if xubuntu 10.04 is also being long-term supported?
[14:37] <Sysi_> it's LTS
[14:37] <UbuntuFlo> thx, Sysi_
[14:38] <UbuntuFlo> i couldn't find any pointrelease yet. that's why i asked…
[14:39] <Sysi_> there should be
[14:40] <Sysi_> haven't checked though
[14:40] <KE1HA> UbuntuFlo, the point release was on the 8/17 for 10.04
[14:41] <KE1HA> http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04.1/
[14:41] <UbuntuFlo> Sysi_, KE1HA, i looked up here → nothing
[14:41] <UbuntuFlo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/lucid/release/
[14:41] <KE1HA> You wont see a point release for Xubunt
[14:41] <KE1HA> Xubuntu
[14:42] <Sysi_> it can be late
[14:42] <UbuntuFlo> ah, ok. so it's lts but no points. didn't know that
[14:42] <KE1HA> as in an ISO image release that is, but the Updates are in the Repo's
[14:42] <KE1HA> No, they only respin the three Major Branches for ISO Images, Ubuntu, Kubuntu & Edubuntu
[14:43] <Sysi_> lts is lts even before point releases
[14:43] <KE1HA> on your Xubuntu machine do ls_release -rd and that should state 10.04.1 if you'
[14:43] <KE1HA> did all the updates
[14:44] <UbuntuFlo> yeah. i just wondered about the "missing" pointrelease. but thanks for the infos. thx a lot, guys.
[14:46] <KE1HA> sri, that should be lsb_release -rd
[18:44] <rdingram> One of the few annoyances I have with Xfce is that it doesn't respond well to a new monitor resolution. Every time I resize my desktop the upper panel doesn't seem to get the memo that the resolution has changed, so it is only as wide as my originally set res. Has anyone else experienced this?
[18:48] <rdingram> Is there a public upload for screenshots anywhere so I could visually demonstrate this problem?
[19:03] <Aicasn> on my xubuntu64 box I have trouble with flash (closed-source version) in firefox. every once in a while any page with a flash app on it will stop working and need to be reloaded.  are problems like this more common for 64-bit linux than 32-bit linux?
[19:03] <Sysi_> closed stuff is more propably problematic with linux
[19:03] <Sysi_> flas is bad case
[19:04] <Aicasn> i should ask if it's more problematic with 64-bit firefox vs 32-bit...not linux
[19:05] <Sysi_> it's not about firefox, it's about linux and 64 vs 32
[19:05] <Aicasn> the 64-bit closed-source flash plugin is relatively new, is it not?
[19:05] <Sysi_> do you use 32bit plugin with ndiswrapper or gnash?
[19:06] <Aicasn> i'll take that back.  it's 32-bit flash with nspluginwrapper
[19:07] <Sysi_> that's problematic
[19:07] <Aicasn> so... wouldn't you think it would be more stable if I put a 32-bit fox on my 64-bit linux and used the adobe flash plugin w/o the wrapper?
[19:07] <Sysi_> or get (older) 64bit flash
[19:08] <Sysi_> would adobe say something if i uploaded my copy..
[19:10] <Aicasn> i'm updating my xubuntu 9 to 10.04.1 now.  i'll see if it has the same problems as 9 in about half an hour
[19:14] <Aicasn> there are so few things remaining to be fixed/implemented in the linux world before I'm ready to drop my windows installs for good. two of the bigs ones are flash and wine(x) with solid hw accel for games
[19:14] <Sysi_> games using opengl work very well with wine (and nvidia)
[19:15] <Aicasn> yes they do, but not all games work perfectly.  specifically, not all the games that I like to play work perfectly
[19:15] <Aicasn> it's very close, though.  much closer than 5-10 years ago
[19:15] <Sysi_> i'm lucky in many ways for not being gamer
[19:16] <Aicasn> if you don't have any interest in games, then that's definitely one less reason to want windows around
[19:16] <Aicasn> i don't play that much, but I need windows for when I do get in the mood
[19:17] <Aicasn> as far as I'm concerned, the Wine project guys are kicking ass. i'm sure it can't be easy
[19:17] <Sysi_> i'm just currently irritated with linux, alsa is lost in every second boot
[19:18] <Sysi_> and netbooks wifi seems to not work very well on fedora
[19:20] <Sysi_> too long since using and hating windows
[19:21] <Sysi_> it was easier with xp..
[19:22] <Aicasn> what do you mean "lost" ?  module not loaded, or fails to load?
[19:22] <Sysi_> cannot open mixer: File or folder not found
[19:23] <Sysi_> (translated badly)
[19:48] <Aicasn> Sysi_: hmm... sounds like the /dev entries aren't being created
[19:49] <Aicasn> could it be a timing problem?  have you tried running the alsa startup scripts by hand after the system has booted?
[19:49] <Sysi_> not, how?
[19:52] <Sysi_> LOL if my boot is too fast
[19:52] <Sysi_> it is really fast, ssd
[19:52] <Sysi_> i think that can't be possible
[19:54] <Aicasn> not so much boot speed as device probe ordering
[19:54] <Sysi_> do you know those alsa scripts?
[19:54] <Aicasn> i'm supposing that the alsa load should be later in the order
[19:56] <Sysi_> let's get bootchart
[19:56] <Aicasn> try /etc/init.d/alsasound restart
[19:57] <Sysi_> doesn't exist
[19:57] <Aicasn> if you don't have that script, do  /sbin/alsa force-reload
[19:58] <Sysi_> works
[19:58] <Aicasn>  :)
[19:58] <Aicasn> did it list any other modules?
[19:58] <Sysi_> lots of modules
[19:59] <Sysi_> should i have that init-script?
[19:59] <Aicasn> next time you reboot and alsa does not work, check  lsmod  for rogue sound drivers.  if you find one, add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf so that it won't get in the way anymore
[20:00] <Aicasn> that would be the proper fix
[20:00] <Sysi_> it worked on proper xubuntu install
[20:00] <Sysi_> this piece-by-piece is broken
[20:02] <Sysi_> no, alsamixer only works for root
[20:10] <Sysi_> nm-applet says "Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager"
[20:10] <Sysi_> maybe i should do reinstall
[20:22] <earthling_> How do I open an .odt file in Abiword?
[20:35] <Sysi_> ..just open?
[20:36] <Sysi_> right click → open with.. or File → open in AW
[20:37] <KE1HA> cody-somerville, you around today ?
[21:25] <thetechchair> hey guys
[21:25] <thetechchair> New to Xubuntu here - looking forward to leaving Windows behind me!!!
[21:47] <pietime> hello
[22:11] <pietime> Hi, I don't have Xubuntu installed I'm actually using Lubuntu, but I would just like to know if anyone knows how to get SAMBA to work with Thunar without having to install a bunch of dependencies.
[22:34] <earthling_> Sysi, yes, but it says error importing file
[22:36] <earthling_> I'm probably just going to install openoffice but I thought abiword should be able to handle it
[22:37] <Sysi_> my abiword can do that
[22:37] <Sysi_> up-to-date xubuntu?
[22:43] <earthling_> I'm on my windows machine atm
[22:47] <slow-motion> n8
[23:00] <pietime> can anyone please tell me how to upgrade to thunar 1.1.0?
[23:02] <well_laid_lawn> if it's not in the repos then there might be a deb at getdeb or dotdeb
[23:03] <pietime> i dont have xubuntu
[23:03] <pietime> i have lubuntu
[23:04] <well_laid_lawn> try in terminal   apt-cache policy thunar
[23:04] <Sysi_> try to find ppa
[23:05] <pietime> the ppa says 404 not found
[23:05] <pietime> oops that was for something else
[23:06] <earthling_> is xubuntu lighter,faster than ubuntu?
[23:06] <earthling_> one review says xubuntu uses more ram than ubuntu
[23:07] <Sysi_> see phoronix tests
[23:07] <Sysi_> they're accurate and reliable
[23:08] <earthling_> ok
[23:08] <Sysi_> for my experience, xubuntu is lighter
[23:10] <earthling_> so I can install xfce without uninstalling gnome?
[23:10] <Sysi_> !xfce
[23:11] <earthling_> Sysi, have you tried lxde?
[23:12] <Sysi_> some time ago
[23:13] <KE1HA> lxde is light, but if you want anything that resembles a desktop environment, xfce-desktop is the way to go.
[23:13] <Sysi_> it's not easy to configure
[23:13] <KE1HA> That could be said abt all of the desktops
[23:13] <earthling_> xfce is officially supported
[23:14] <earthling_> that means its more stable and secure?
[23:14] <pietime> Sysi_, what specifically is not easy to configure?
[23:14] <pietime> earthling_, lubuntu will be officially supported as of 10.10
[23:14] <pietime> thats october 2010
[23:15] <KE1HA> Im saying xfce4 because I;m here in the xubuntu channel, Im saying that in regards to usability, support and overall functionality.
[23:15] <KE1HA> Im not say it because .. .. .
[23:15] <pietime> but here i am trying to get xubuntu features
[23:15] <Sysi_> pietime: everything
[23:15] <Sysi_> items in panel, workspace switches
[23:16] <KE1HA> ppa are not officially supported distro's
[23:16] <earthling_> ppa?
[23:16] <KE1HA> there use at your own risk, and can, in some cases cause more harm then good,, Do i use some of them, sure, but I do it knowing there of limited support.
[23:17] <KE1HA> Yeah, Launchpad PPA's
[23:17] <Sysi_> lubuntu-desktop is in official repositories
[23:17] <earthling_> ok
[23:18] <KE1HA> Not supported by canocial. neither is xubuntu fer that matter.
[23:18] <earthling_> I thought xubuntu was supported
[23:19] <Sysi_> it kinda is but not very much really
[23:19] <Sysi_> canonical focuses on gnome
[23:19] <KE1HA> No, that's why you dont see point ISO's being respun. Ubuntu, Netbook, Kubuntu are officially supported.
[23:20] <KE1HA> Im not sure where Edubuntu stands in all that, havn't dove into it yet.
[23:21] <KE1HA> But it's more or less Ubuntu (Gnome GTK) wiht some special apps.
[23:21] <Sysi_> xubuntu is as supported as kubuntu
[23:21] <KE1HA> I guess its all how you mean by supported.
[23:22] <Sysi_> it's official derivative
[23:22] <KE1HA> You wont See Xubuntu on the official Ubuntu Site being advertised.
[23:22] <Sysi_> if you used kde, you really wouldn't think canonical supports kubuntu
[23:22] <KE1HA> :-)
[23:23] <Sysi_> ubuntu is gnome-distro
[23:23] <KE1HA> Im not bashing any of them, I use most of them, but you cab be sure Canonical Ltd supports KDE.
[23:24] <earthling_> what more does gnome do besides being more visually appealing?
[23:24] <earthling_> compared with xfce
[23:25] <earthling_> I guess I'll try xfce out
[23:25] <KE1HA> Do, I dont know, nut there are certainly a laundy list of diffrences fer sure. That' similar to asking, What does KDE do that Gnome doesn't.
[23:26] <KE1HA> xfce is xfce, gnom is gnome. It's really all about prefrence I think.
[23:26] <earthling_> I guess you could put all of them on one machine?
[23:27] <earthling_> and just try them out
[23:27] <KE1HA> This is not a bad looking DK if you ask me: http://xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=128831&file1=128831-1.jpg&file2=128831-2.jpg&file3=128831-3.jpg&name=Dark-linux
[23:27] <earthling_> looks a bit like win 7
[23:27] <KE1HA> Gosh, and this looks familiar: http://xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=128857&file1=128857-1.jpg&file2=128857-2.jpg&file3=&name=Arbeit+Radiance+Theme
[23:28] <earthling_> xfce made to look like gnome,eh
[23:28] <KE1HA> How about some Woody ! :-) http://xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=128767&file1=128767-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Wooden+Lex+theme
[23:29] <earthling_> a theme for every imagination
[23:29] <KE1HA> A little BSM to brighten your day: http://xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=121685&file1=121685-1.jpg&file2=121685-2.jpg&file3=&name=BSM+Simple
[23:30] <earthling_> looks like Mac
[23:32] <KE1HA> The nice think about Linux, is you can do whatever you want (for the most part). What I like, some may not. I get alsed all the time, what's the Best This, What's the Best That. It's really up to the individual.
[23:33] <earthling_> I want to try out alot of stuff, but I don't want to bog things down and then have to do a reinstall
[23:33] <earthling_> thats been my experience on windows
[23:34] <KE1HA> Best place to Play, is in a VM. Start with a base install of whatever distro, and clone it, mod it, play around with it, see what you like.
[23:35] <KE1HA> Nove thing about VM's, delete the hacked one, clone another and start somethign else.
[23:35] <KE1HA> Nice thing...
[23:35] <earthling_> interesting
[23:36] <KE1HA> I have some 15 VM's all with diffrent Bootloaders, desktops, etc. So are for testing new apps, some are for testing Themes, so are just to ding around in.
[23:37] <KE1HA> If I want to lean something, or build an app from source and dont want to muc up mu main system, I use a VM
[23:37] <KE1HA> If it works, I test the install a few times, then do it on my main sysyem.
[23:37] <KE1HA> Easy Pezy
[23:38] <KE1HA> And never have to worry about OMG my video Driver's busted, My sound dont work, can't get this or can't get that etc etc etc
[23:40] <KE1HA> On the 17th this month, I tested / installed 10.04.1 ISO's, 80%+ were in VM's the rest were test box native installs.
[23:40] <KE1HA> and I did 64 of them in total.
[23:40] <KE1HA> and my main Box is not busted :-) !!
[23:41] <KE1HA> ../end speach :-)
[23:55] <earthling_> nice
[23:57] <KE1HA> :-)  --> http://xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=48092&file1=48092-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=The+Mice+Want+It!
[23:57] <earthling_> which VM do you use?
[23:57] <KE1HA> I like that one :-)
[23:57] <KE1HA> VirtualBox
[23:58] <earthling_> ic
[23:58] <KE1HA> and I compile it from source, and follw the install directions form the VirtualBox site.
[23:59] <KE1HA> Make sure to install Guest-Add-On's .. and have already installed build-essential and your current linux-headers
[23:59] <KE1HA> makes using the Mouse and Screan changes smooth, and without issue.
[23:59] <KE1HA> Screen*