[02:09] <Scunizi> what's available as a twitter/social media client for kde? (already have the facebook plasma widget)
[02:13] <cmagina> Scunizi: choqok
[02:14] <Scunizi> cmagina: thanks.. is it as versital as gwibber or tweetdeck or is it specifically for twitter?
[02:14] <cmagina> Scunizi: Or the microBlog plasmoid, which was on the desktop when you first logged in
[02:15] <cmagina> Scunizi: It supports twitter and identi.ca at the moment
[02:15] <Scunizi> cmagina: yea.. that's uBlog.. found it a little buggy when I first tried it.
[02:17] <cmagina> Scunizi: gwibber is better then choqok, but hopefully in time it will catch up.
[02:18] <Scunizi> cmagina: does gwibber run well on kde?
[02:19] <cmagina> Scunizi: Not sure, but I would imagine it would run just fine.  I still run choqok due to prefering as close to a pure KDE setup as I can get.
[02:19] <cmagina> Plus, what we find lacking, we can submit as requests to the devs and maybe they will get added in a future release.
[02:20] <Scunizi> good.. I've loaded it up .. I'll give it a try.
[02:21] <Scunizi> cmagina: will choqok minimized to the try?
[02:21] <cmagina> Scunizi: Yep
[02:21] <cmagina> Green bird head
[02:21] <Scunizi> That's good.. thanks!
[03:56] <s003apr> does anyone know what could cause my sound to only work with kde applications, but not others such as flash videos or games? The problem is intermittent. sometimes I can reboot and everything works fine.
[04:07] <greatwall> hello! everybody1
[04:39] <greatwall> ???\
[04:39] <greatwall> kij sdhcklfn erifoer
[04:39] <greatwall> \a dklwendcjsah j
[04:39] <greatwall> ????
[05:00] <blowMan> ciao
[05:02] <blowMan> !list
[05:04] <dodo> hello
[05:49] <manuel__> buenas noches
[06:40] <otto__> how can i get kmix to open?
[06:41] <otto__> when i select it from the menu i see it loading in the taskbar for a time and then it disappears
[07:03] <ybit_> hi
[07:03] <ybit_> quick question regarding ktorrent
[07:04] <ybit_> how do you the dns cache or update the hosts file for torrent(s)?
[07:04] <ybit_> clear the dns cache*
[07:04] <ybit_> google doesn't know
[07:05] <ybit_> ah, found it
[07:19] <well_laid_lawn> otto__: tried running kmix from konsole to see any errors?
[07:20] <otto__> it has no output if i type kmix in konsole
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> o
[07:22] <otto__> strace kmix has error output
[07:22] <otto__> how can i pipe the error stream to xclip?
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> you could try    killall -v kmix && kmix
[07:22] <otto__> strace kmix 2> xclip doesn't work
[07:23] <otto__> ok will try
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> instead of a rediect to xclip why not a file -   strace kmix 2> kmix.txt   or similar
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> redirect
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> *
[07:25] <otto__> cool killall -v kmix && kix started it
[07:25] <otto__> but there was a bunch of error output
[07:26] <well_laid_lawn> I'd start from the top of the error output
[07:27] <otto__> well it's easier to redirect the error to xclip so it can be pasted right into a pastebin don't you think
[07:27] <otto__> good idea
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> I dont know how xclips works with redirects so here it is easier to redirect to a file
[07:31] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[07:31] <otto__> the output from killall -v kmix && kmix
[07:31] <otto__>  is http://pastebin.com/RFidjUQg
[07:31] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:31] <raddy> How to use Kopete for Google Voice and Video?
[07:33] <well_laid_lawn> otto__: line two from that paste suggests you might have changed the logged in user - is that right?
[07:33] <otto__> not that i know of
[07:33] <otto__> i don't know how that works
[07:33] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:34] <well_laid_lawn> otto__: all I can suggest is that you try logging out/in
[07:35] <otto__> okay will try
[07:35] <well_laid_lawn> luck :]
[07:36] <Mister_Y> good morning everyone... i want to create a website and therefore i need a composer using wysiwyg... one clear text editor is running, but i want to try it with the other editor also and wants to see, whether it is worth working with it.
[07:38] <well_laid_lawn> raddy: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=77299 - suggests you can't
[07:39] <raddy> well_laid_lawn: Unfortunate
[07:39] <otto___> well_laid_lawn: logged out and in, error msg still the same
[07:39] <well_laid_lawn> raddy: that page offers alternatives
[07:41] <raddy> well_laid_lawn: Google Voice and Video support has been added in KDE 4.5 that is what i am using currently.
[07:41] <well_laid_lawn> otto___: is this a standard kubuntu install?
[07:41] <otto___> yes
[07:41] <otto___> on a lenovo x61
[07:41] <raddy> well_laid_lawn: Sorry, it has been added in 4.4 it self.
[07:42] <well_laid_lawn> raddy: I don't do im so that google result is the best you'll get from me :] - maybe someone else in a bit will know
[07:43] <well_laid_lawn> otto___: for now you could kill kmix and access alsamixer directly in konsole
[07:58] <otto___> can i use alsamixer to redirect output from soundcard so it can be recorded in audacity?
[07:59] <well_laid_lawn> otto___: not afaik - I don't think alsamixer does that but then I've never tried
[08:02] <Asinine> Hi Guys
[08:03] <Asinine> im running on a pentium 2.8ghz and when i open up the resource monitor my cpu load goes sky high
[08:04] <Asinine> i was wondering if this is normal or if i should get a different version of ubuntu
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> Asinine: funny nick :] - it's not normal - in konsole run   top   and check the cpu usage from there
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> if it is fine then it is just a prob with the app
[08:07] <Asinine> ok one sec
[08:07] <Asinine> yea i think the way it gets pulls the information is kinda bad
[08:07] <Asinine> i wonder if raising the intervals would fix it
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> worth a try
[08:08] <Asinine> oh one sec gonna try it
[08:08] <Asinine> btw if we donate to the ubuntu project are we put on a list
[08:10] <Asinine> ok from there  my cpu goes from 15% to 30 to 25% in intervals
[08:10] <Asinine> is there anything i can do to optimize ubuntu
[08:13] <well_laid_lawn> stop any services you don't need
[08:26] <vaibhav_noob> kpackage edit not work for few dayz now "A package dependency could not be found.
[08:26] <vaibhav_noob> More information is available in the detailed report" error message
[08:27] <vaibhav_noob> pls help me
[08:27] <well_laid_lawn> vaibhav_noob: you could try in terminal   sudo apt-get install -f
[08:28] <well_laid_lawn> or in konsole
[08:28] <vaibhav_noob> wat -f stands for there
[08:28] <well_laid_lawn>  -f for fix
[08:30] <vaibhav_noob> well_laid_lawn: it worked thank u
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> vaibhav_noob: np :}
[08:35] <DarkriftX> what does it mean if i ran apt-get upgrade yesterday and it showed new kernel and i told it not to continue but today they dont show as upgrades still
[08:50] <asinine__> hi
[08:50] <asinine__> sry im back
[08:50] <asinine__> i know this is an awful question but does fedora support more hardware when callin upon a Wine dependent file
[08:51] <well_laid_lawn> no need to be sorry :] it's what the channel is for
[08:51] <asinine__> ?
[08:52] <well_laid_lawn> that would only depend on the version of wine used in the distro afaik
 sry im back   <well_laid_lawn> no need to be sorry :] it's what the channel is for
[08:52] <asinine_> oh ok
[08:52] <well_laid_lawn> there can be lag between messages
[08:52] <asinine_> btw  are there any non needed proccesses i can deactivate to get rid of some of this cpu load
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> turning of bluetooth if it's not needed seems popular
[08:54] <asinine_> im just looking for a developer friendly enviroment for one hard drive aka low resource and a user friendly for the other hard drive
[08:55] <asinine_> i am in no way a dev but i have contributed code to users alike in the eqemu community for years
[08:55] <asinine_> using windows but i finaly broke down and installed linux and i love it
[08:55] <well_laid_lawn> kde is the more resource heavy of the linux desktop environments
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> for lightweight there's
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> !lubuntu
[08:56] <asinine_> what are some of the features it dismisses
[08:57] <well_laid_lawn> it uses openbox for the wm - I don't know more then that about it
[08:57] <well_laid_lawn> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1
[09:01] <asinine_> do they claim to do everything ubuntu can
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> is a comparison of the four supported ubuntu's - don't know why edubuntu isn't in there
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> they all have the same base - ubuntu - it is only the de that is diff
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> sudo apt-get install <anything> works the same
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> you just need to familiarize yourself with the de
[09:06] <well_laid_lawn> as an exmple you could do   sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop   and reboot - select lubuntu from the sessions and find out how light it is
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> same for the other *ubuntus
[09:55] <mime1111> hello ppl. i get that error: syntax error: unknown group 'gnokii' in statoverride file
[09:55] <mime1111> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)                  when trying to install unrar, any help? thank you
[09:57] <well_laid_lawn> mime1111: first step is to try   sudo apt-get install -f
[09:57] <mime1111> i di that and nothing installs
[09:58] <well_laid_lawn> it is meant to fix broken things
[09:58] <mime1111> i am in a fresh lucid installation
[09:58] <well_laid_lawn> there's a french channel if that would help
[09:58] <well_laid_lawn> !fr
[09:59] <well_laid_lawn> mime1111: did you try to install unrar after running that command?
[09:59] <mime1111> yeah...
[09:59] <mime1111> same error
[10:00] <well_laid_lawn> do you know where the group   gnokii   comes from?
[10:00] <mime1111> in other fresh copies it work correctly, but here no... maybe aa master server prob?
[10:01] <mime1111> no, i have no idea
[10:01] <mime1111> with synaptic also i cant
[10:01] <well_laid_lawn> does this comp have diff repositories enabled then the other ones?
[10:02] <mime1111> how i look that? i have multiverse and all activated
[10:02] <well_laid_lawn> sorry - I meant using diff sources for the repos - like using french ones instead of us or similar
[10:04] <mime1111> no, i didnt changed anything
[10:04] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:04] <mime1111> now i am installing built-essential and more, lets see
[10:04] <well_laid_lawn> what does   apt-cache policy unrar   return?
[10:04] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:04] <mime1111> apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:04] <mime1111> oops sorry
[10:05] <well_laid_lawn> heh :]
[10:05] <well_laid_lawn> I do that
[10:05] <mime1111> ok
[10:07] <mime1111> :)
[10:08] <mime1111> what repos i should have enabled plesae¿?
[10:11] <well_laid_lawn> mime1111: I used the us ones first - there the busiest but most reliable ones it seems
[10:12] <well_laid_lawn> they're*
[10:14] <mime1111> ok i am going to try that
[10:14] <well_laid_lawn> luck :]
[10:14] <mime1111> restricted and r. estras didnt help
[10:15] <well_laid_lawn> mime1111: we are working on getting unrar installed yes?
[10:16] <mime1111> no, didnt worked after change into master server sources
[10:16] <mime1111> same gnkki prob
[10:16] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:16] <mime1111> unknown group gnokki
[10:17] <well_laid_lawn> mime1111: what does   killall -v gnokii   return?
[10:17] <well_laid_lawn> is it gnokki or gnokii ?
[10:17] <mime1111> gnokii
[10:17] <mime1111> no process found
[10:17] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:17] <mime1111> after kill all
[10:18] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[10:18] <well_laid_lawn> can you use a tty? - do ctrl+alt+F2   and login and try   sudo apt-get install unrar   pls
[10:19] <well_laid_lawn> ctrl+F7 to get back mime1111
[10:19] <well_laid_lawn> ctrl+alt+F7 to get back mime1111
[10:19] <well_laid_lawn> oops
[10:20] <mime1111> its says the same
[10:20] <mime1111> :O(
[10:21] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:22] <well_laid_lawn> you could try   cat /etc/groups | grep -i gnokii   and paste the results
[10:23] <mime1111> cat: /etc/groups: No such file or directory
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:26] <well_laid_lawn> mime1111: sorry no s on the end    cat /etc/group | grep -i gnokii
[10:28] <mime1111> were i paste it?
[10:29] <well_laid_lawn> if it is only up to three lines here will do or
[10:29] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[10:29] <mime1111> http://paste.ubuntu.com/481358/
[10:29] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:29] <mime1111> thanx u all
[10:30] <well_laid_lawn> there's not a gnokii mentioned in that
[10:31] <mime1111> what i have to do? i dont know...
[10:31] <mime1111> im a bit newb
[10:31] <well_laid_lawn> it's not something I've come across before
[10:31] <mime1111> reinstall lucid?
[10:32] <well_laid_lawn> have you changed much?
[10:32] <well_laid_lawn> it's about twenty minutes to reinstall
[10:32] <well_laid_lawn> !clone
[10:32] <mime1111> no, i didnt do anything, just after a fresh install trying to install unrar via synaptic and konsole, didnt let me...
[10:33] <well_laid_lawn> !info unrar
[10:33] <well_laid_lawn> did you do the cd check when you booted it?
[10:33] <mime1111> root@Mime:~# !info unrar
[10:33] <mime1111> bash: !info: event not found
[10:34] <well_laid_lawn> that's not a terminal command it is a bot command
[10:34] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[10:34] <mime1111> how i chek it?
[10:35] <well_laid_lawn> when the cd boots there should be a menu - one entry is to check the cd
[10:35] <mime1111> ok
[10:35] <mime1111> cya and thnx
[10:36] <well_laid_lawn> I can't think of anything else sorry :]
[10:44] <mime1111> hey lawn, no errors after checkdisc
[10:45] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:47] <well_laid_lawn> I can't think of anything else sorry :]
[10:47] <mime1111> reinstall lucid?
[10:47] <mime1111> ok np, thank you for ur time
[10:48] <mime1111> thanK YOU A LOOOOOOOOOOOT
[10:48] <mime1111> cya
[10:58] <otto___> tcpdump doesn't seem to be dumping anything..
[10:58] <otto___> do i need to set the interface?
[10:59] <otto___> i tried cat /etc/network/interfaces
[10:59] <otto___> it shows auto lo and iface inet loopback
[11:00] <otto___> sudo tcpdump -i "auto lo" but i get auto lo: No such device
[11:18] <mime1111> lawn? iinstalling a new fresh copy did the trick!
[11:22] <u1106-laptop> does anybody know what apt-xapian is used for in kubuntu?
[11:22] <u1106-laptop> according to discussions in ubuntuforums it is used to enable quick searching in Synaptics
[11:23] <u1106-laptop> but Synaptics is not in kubuntu
[11:24] <u1106-laptop> and there are no dependencies to package apt-xapian-index in Kubuntu at all
[11:57] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[11:58] <raddy> I am experiencing two major issues after installing KDE4 in Ubuntu
[11:58] <raddy> I always have to input password to mount NTFS drives :(
[11:59] <Riddell> mounting hard disks is a privilaged operation so it will need a password
[11:59] <raddy> Riddell: don't defend it, Gnome doesn't require it.
[12:00] <Riddell> um, ok, cheerio
[12:00] <raddy> Can anybody help me in solving it?
[12:01] <raddy> It shall mount automatically by fstab right?
[12:13] <uruk-hai> Hello!
[12:15] <uruk-hai> I'm trying to compile source code of dragonplayer, but cmake get this error: http://pastebin.ca/1921890
[12:15] <uruk-hai> can anybody help me?
[12:15] <uruk-hai> sorry for my bad english..
[12:22] <Torch> uruk-hai: kde and qt version? dragon player version? also, did you make sure you have the required devel packages installed?
[12:26] <uruk-hai> qt 4.7.0, kde 4.5.0, dragonplayer 2.0
[12:27] <Torch> uruk-hai: you're probably missing kde devel packages
[12:28] <Torch> uruk-hai:check if kdelibs5-dev is installed
[12:29] <joiner> hi
[12:29] <joiner> help
[12:29] <joiner> MPlayer an VLC very slow playing mms:// streams
[12:29] <uruk-hai> already installed
[12:29] <joiner> only on KDE
[12:29] <Torch> uruk-hai: where did you get the dragon source?
[12:29] <joiner> on Gnome they work fine
[12:30] <joiner> i use Ati free driver
[12:30] <uruk-hai> apt-get source dragonplayer
[12:31] <Torch> uruk-hai: you cannot run cmake in the dragonplayer subdir, you're aware of that?
[12:31] <tranquilwaters> hey! anyone here that can help me with a wine-problem? I can only start my bigfish game in an emulated desktop and it is very very very slow :( I don't know how to fix it
[12:32] <uruk-hai> no, why?
[12:32] <Torch> uruk-hai: you have to run cmake for the whole of kdemultimedia
[12:32] <Torch> uruk-hai: then just run _make_ itself in the subdir.
[12:33] <Torch> uruk-hai: i.e. mkdir build;  cd build; cmake ..; cd dragonplayer; make
[12:33] <Torch> uruk-hai: the cmake for each subdir depends on the top dir.
[12:35] <u1106-laptop> uruk-hai: there should be 2 ways to build: a.) the KDE way, b.) the Debian (kubuntu) way
[12:36] <u1106-laptop> I cannot comment on a.) because I have never done it
[12:36] <Torch> u1106-laptop: you're mixing packaging and building
[12:36] <u1106-laptop> I have built several KDE packages using b.)
[12:37] <u1106-laptop> method a.) is 3 steps
[12:37] <u1106-laptop> 1.) apt-get source (as you have already done it)
[12:38] <u1106-laptop> 2.) apt-get build-dep to get everything that is needed for building (the build dependencies)
[12:38] <u1106-laptop> 3.) dpkg-buildpackage
[12:39] <u1106-laptop> of course internally method a.) will just use method b.)
[12:39] <u1106-laptop> torch: sorry didn't get your comment
[12:41] <u1106-laptop> oops sorry, it should of course have been...
[12:42] <uruk-hai> yes! it's works!
[12:42] <u1106-laptop> method ***b.)*** is 3 steps
[12:42] <uruk-hai> torch, u1106-laptop: big thanks!
[12:42] <u1106-laptop> great you got it working
[12:44] <u1106-laptop> and: of course internally method ***b.)*** will just use method ***a.)***
[13:07] <CruelCoke|Pup310> KDE Ubuntu = vista of livecd linuxes
[13:07] <CruelCoke|Pup310> Puppy Linux wins, STFUbuntu vomits
[13:09] <illunatic> !info stfubuntu
[13:09] <illunatic> CruelCoke|Pup310: i don't understand
[13:19] <sergio> ciao
[13:19] <sergio> !list
[13:20] <joiner> any idea
[13:20] <joiner> ?
[13:20] <joiner> i have all necessary codecs
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hiyas folks
[13:49] <threesome> hi guys
[13:50] <threesome> where can I get docky 2.1.0?
[13:53] <andi> huhu
[13:53] <Guest64657> hallo
[13:55] <HandyGandy> I have a Canon LiDE 100 scanner. I know that they put a backend for it into sane in their latest release ( June I think ). How long does it take for such changes to propagate out to kubuntu repositories?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> HandyGandy, one thing you can do is enable all repos in your package manager , the canonical partners and other software sources,
[13:58] <HandyGandy> BluesKaj: I insist on doing it all by hand via apt-get.
[13:58] <HandyGandy> So how do I find which repositories the software is in?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> HandyGandy, well then edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the # from the debs I mentioned , then sudo apt-get update
[14:04] <BluesKaj> HandyGandy, I assume the driver would be included the sane kernel source repos
[14:16] <alvin> The netbook edition looks nice, but can anyone tell me how to keep the netbook panel on top?
[14:22] <AndreS_> I waited a bit for the 64 bits version of KDE 4.5 to appear. It is still blocked for me (10.04), though many applications are not. Any idea what could be the issue? KPackageKit does not tell me what's blocking the update...
[14:23] <ToxinPowe> AndreS_: you have 4.5 on backports ppa
[14:24] <AndreS_> Yes.
[14:24] <AndreS_> I have that repo in my list of sources.
[14:24] <ToxinPowe> and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade doesn't work?
[14:24] <AndreS_> But the actual packages, especially the kde-base package, appears as blocked, so I can not install it.
[14:26] <AndreS_> ToxinPowe: actually, that does seem to work. Thanks.
[14:26] <ToxinPowe> np
[14:33] <Asinine> has anyone successfully gotten everyquest to work with ubuntu i managed to but theres no models
[14:38] <darthvader> I'm having some performance problems, running kde 4.5.0 (from backports) using a Geforce 6600 GT. It
[14:39] <darthvader> Any known problems with that particular setup that woulod cause these problems?
[14:39] <ToxinPowe> nop, no with nvidia cards
[14:39] <darthvader> Ok, thanks.
[14:41] <vipinb> hi all
[14:41] <vipinb> any tool in Kubuntu I can use for audio chat??
[14:41] <vipinb> For example in gtalk
[14:43] <Asinine> yes
[14:43] <vipinb> can you please tell me which is that
[14:45] <Asinine> it involves compiling look it up im not to keen on google apts
[14:46] <tranquilwaters> vipinb: there is a skype for l inux now, I don't know how far along gtalk for linux is already
[14:46] <tranquilwaters> there are other voip clients as well
[14:46] <vipinb> Gnome there is a tool called pidgin
[14:46] <vipinb> I that we can run allthings
[14:46] <vipinb> I Kubuntu is there anything like that
[14:47] <Unksi> vipinb: kopete, though i dont know if it can handle audio chat
[14:47] <Unksi> you can still install pidgin if you wish though
[14:47] <vipinb> No  It can't handle
[14:48] <Asinine> gonna try changing my graphics drivers for nvidia to 173
[14:48] <vipinb> But It is link keeping gnome dependency and KDE togather
[14:48] <vipinb> is there anything in Kubuntu I can use
[14:49] <Asinine> hey
[14:49] <Asinine> theres empathy
[14:49] <Asinine> = )
[14:49] <vipinb> ok
[14:51] <BluesKaj> darthvader, check kmenu/system/hardware drivers and choose the recomended driver and install it .
[14:51] <Asinine> welp i helped someone out 1 up for me lol
[14:52] <Asinine> im gonna install that one back if this one doesent work
[14:52] <Asinine> for some reason everything shows up but character models
[14:52] <Asinine> and so forth
[14:52] <Asinine> the world is visible
[14:53] <Zoulou> bonjour
[14:53] <Zoulou> je cherche de l'aide pour amarock
[14:54] <darthvader> BluesKaj: thanks, but it's already installed. Desktop effects are working, it's just that everything from resizing a window to minimizing it is painfully slow/choppy.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> darthvader, run system monitor , you may have an operation using up cpu process
[15:03] <darthvader> BluesKaj: Yeah, xorg is using up to 30 percent CPU. I guess i cant do anything about that?
[15:24] <daniel_> existe alguien que hable español... gracias
[15:25] <ToxinPowe> daniel_: creo q existe un canal #kubuntu-es
[15:25] <daniel_> muchas gracias
[15:26] <mime1111> lawn gnome?
[15:27] <guest__> moin
[16:23] <slow-motion> hi
[16:24] <redlan> hola, alguien que hable español?
[16:24] <redlan> necesito asistencia con un problema.. :D
[17:03] <Asinine> what would one do to become a mirror for Ubuntu
[17:20] <Hydrant_> hey all... does anyone know how to disable this *extremely* annoying "upgrade to latest distro" message in Kubuntu?  It's really getting on my nerves, and I haven't been able to disable it so far.
[17:30] <amichair> is there a good & powerful GUI utility for search & replace (with regex, multiple files, patterns, etc.)?
[17:33] <Hydrant_> amichair: yes... I forget the name though
[17:33] <Hydrant_> just do an apt-cache search regex and see what you get
[17:34] <Hydrant_> http://www.blackie.dk/KDE/KRegExpEditor/
[17:39] <amichair> Hydrant_: thanks, checking it out
[17:46] <amichair> hmm... that looks like a regex editor, not a utility to apply regexes to multiple files, see the diffs, that kind of stuff (and it's not in repos)
[17:46] <Hydrant_> okay
[17:46] <Hydrant_> why aren't you just using sed and diff then ?
[17:46] <Hydrant_> if you want to do something crazy, use bash and the right tools
[17:47] <amichair> Hydrant_: I do for some things, but I find myself wasting too much time figuring out how to do things, rather than just doing them
[17:47] <amichair> I recall some GUI utils in windows that make all of that a breeze, and there's probably equivalents in qt/kde or even gnome...
[17:48] <u1106-laptop> amichair: what exactly do you want to do? rename files?
[17:48] <Hydrant_> amichair: well, complaining about windows utilities will do nothing for you here... there are better things here... and trust me you will like the tools once you learn them
[17:48] <Hydrant_> I have done some very crazy things with regular expressions
[17:49] <Hydrant_> ask what you need to know, and learn ;-)
[17:49] <amichair> I'm no complaining about windows, just asking if there is an open equivalent to some pretty simple tools
[17:49] <u1106-laptop> in some cases I find it useful to write 1-time-scripts
[17:50] <amichair> the last thing I had to do, for example, is go through a directory structure, and in all html files add a js code snippet before the existing closing head tag
[17:50] <Hydrant_> okay very easy
[17:50] <Hydrant_> do you know sed ?
[17:50] <amichair> I played around with find+sed for a couple hours, googled, tried all sorts of things... couldn't get anything to work
[17:50] <Hydrant_> or just the basics
[17:50] <Hydrant_> okay
[17:50] <Hydrant_> I think there might be a #sed
[17:50] <amichair> and all that time, I could have been doing something productive :-)
[17:50] <Hydrant_> that's a lie
[17:51] <Hydrant_> sed is a very good tool, but very complicated
[17:51] <Hydrant_> however, you can do some amazing things with just a little bit of knowledge
[17:51] <amichair> oh and the snippet is in another file. sed has the option to insert that file after a pattern is found, but not before. or at least I found no indication otherwise.
[17:51] <u1106-laptop> the first part is easy: find somewhere -name \*.html | xargs ...
[17:51] <Hydrant_> right
[17:52] <amichair> u1106-laptop: that part I got.
[17:52] <Hydrant_> then you can do a find -exec {}; or whatever it is
[17:52] <u1106-laptop> the second one is not that easy
[17:52] <Hydrant_> so... find files with the name... exec the sed script
[17:52] <Hydrant_> the sed script is probably better as a bash script
[17:52] <Hydrant_> so... you have replacejs.sh
[17:52] <u1106-laptop> you can use sed, awk, you private perl, python or whatever script
[17:52] <Hydrant_> and then do find ... -exec ./replacejs.sh {};
[17:53] <Hydrant_> right
[17:53] <Hydrant_> python can be pretty useful, but I would learn sed
[17:53] <Hydrant_> it's pretty amazing
[17:53] <Hydrant_> sed also has a replace-in-place
[17:53] <u1106-laptop> but I don't think there is a generic tool to make such file modifications
[17:53] <Hydrant_> and, if you have version control it's pretty simple to check for diffs
[17:53] <Hydrant_> see... very easy
[17:54] <Hydrant_> you don't need some UI tool... and once you learn sed, you can do all sorts of amazing things which will greatly increase your productivity
[17:54] <Hydrant_> a helpful o'reilly book on sed/awk might also make your life very nice
[17:54] <amichair> I can, and would love to, learn everything to learn about those tools and bash etc... if I have the time. But sometimes, I do need to get work done, and don't have the time for being forced to learn all those things in between.
[17:55] <amichair> I always do my best to try and learn, google, etc. but spending hours, rather than minutes, to do it - is often a luxury I don't have.
[17:55] <u1106-laptop> i cannot imagine any generic tool with nice gui interface to do quite arbitrary file modifications
[17:55] <chevelle_> http://www.guiadecalles.pe/
[17:56] <u1106-laptop> that sounds like a programming task and to do it you have to program
[17:57] <u1106-laptop> then there are of course easier and more difficult programming enviroments. The problem is that not everything fits every problem
[17:57] <amichair> yes, I can write a program to do it. But again, it's a matter of time and productivity.
[17:57] <amichair> (don't worry, I ain't going back to Windows ;-) )
[17:58] <Hydrant_> amichair: your time management is not my concern... learning tools is very important, and will pay off... if you think about it... if you had just ordered a sed / awk book from amazon.. or a book on bash scripting... you could look up your answers :-)
[17:58] <u1106-laptop> I would really be interested in seeing that application that replaces such programming jobs (just for curiousity, don't care whether it's Windows or not)
[17:58] <Hydrant_> you get experience from doing these things ;-)
[17:58] <amichair> GUIs don't exist just for noobs and fools... visual tools are actually often more productive.
[17:58] <Hydrant_> we can help you through the process
[17:58] <Hydrant_> sit down and start writing, paste code snippets, and we'll help
[17:58] <hasan> join #asterisk
[18:00] <amichair> Hydrant_: I am learning, a whole lot, but it's incremental.
[18:01] <amichair> and there are too many things to learn at this point in history, and profession
[18:02] <Hydrant_> amichair: if you need help, I'm here... if you don't that's fine too... I'm just as busy as you are, but I volunteer to help people like you online
[18:02] <amichair> what tools would you use in a bash script other than sed to do something like this?
[18:02] <Hydrant_> sed would be my first choice
[18:02] <Hydrant_> my second would be Python
[18:02] <Hydrant_> oh.. actually you know what
[18:02] <Hydrant_> there is a python program that works very well
[18:02] <Hydrant_> let me see if I can remember the name
[18:02] <amichair> ok, is there an equivalent to sed's r argument that inserts a file before, rather than after, the matched expression?
[18:03] <Hydrant_> did you do man sed ?
[18:03] <amichair> yes
[18:03] <Hydrant_> what I would do is very simple
[18:03] <Hydrant_> s/</head>/script.js</head>/g
[18:03] <Hydrant_> which isn't correct syntax, but you get the idea
[18:03] <u1106-laptop> amichair: my experience is that bash scripts become quickly unproductive. If it's not obvious how to do it in a couple of lines, don't start using bash
[18:04] <Hydrant_> you search for the end, replace the end with what you want and put the end back in
[18:04] <Hydrant_> easy
[18:04] <u1106-laptop> use Python or Perl instead
[18:04] <Hydrant_> the place to use full crazyness is if you have strange things... like comments you need to handle, and there is some context there
[18:04] <u1106-laptop> if you can do it with sed, use sed
[18:04] <amichair> Hydrant_: that puts the string 'script.js' in the file, not the actual snippet that's in the file
[18:04] <Hydrant_> amichair: I know that
[18:05] <Hydrant_> but you get the idea
[18:05] <u1106-laptop> if sed has not enough context use awk
[18:05] <amichair> Hydrant_: so I don't understand how it solves the problem
[18:05] <Hydrant_> you have a few options
[18:05] <u1106-laptop> but a with bash, don't try to write really complicated awk things
[18:05] <amichair> Hydrant_: I get the idea, just as I did yesterday - that it's almost possible, but actually not, to do this with sed
[18:05] <Hydrant_> you just need to escape the script.js file to be put in that way
[18:06] <Hydrant_> also, I'm not a sed expert
[18:06] <Hydrant_> but yes, there is a #sed I checked
[18:06] <amichair> what do you mean by escaping the script?
[18:06] <Hydrant_> they can help you in 2 seconds
[18:06] <Hydrant_> I have to look up documentation and think, those people are going to be experts and just tell you
[18:06] <amichair> Hydrant_: good to know, I'll ask there next time I'm stuck (thanks)
[18:06] <Hydrant_> you seem stuck now
[18:06] <Hydrant_> ask them what you just asked me
[18:07] <Hydrant_> you want to search, and replace with a file contents
[18:07] <Hydrant_> I'd be curious to know how to do it when you find out too
[18:07] <amichair> Hydrant_: then join me there, and let's find out :-)
[18:10] <amichair> u1106-laptop: thanks for you input too :-)
[18:10] <rork> you might want to have a look at perl too for mass edits: http://www.perl.com/pub/2004/10/14/file_editing.html
[18:11] <u1106-laptop> you are welcome, I would just liked to hear the name of the nice GUI tool you mentioned
[18:12] <Asinine> for what laptop
[18:14] <ultram4x> Hello
[18:14] <Asinine> hi
[18:14] <ultram4x> hi, I have a question, can u help me?
[18:14] <amichair> u1106-laptop: I think the one that was used in my previous workspace was simply called 'Search and Replace'
[18:15] <amichair> (and was not free)
[18:16] <amichair> mostly using regexes, it also allowed pattern matching for the file to work on, preview (per file) of the diff, etc. Also very handy for just the search part (results were editable themselves)
[18:16] <rork> ultram4x: that would depend on the question, but that's what some of us are here for so go ahead and ask :)
[18:17] <ultram4x> well,
[18:17] <u1106-laptop> amichair: ok, I can imagine how it works. it's basically a graphical frontend to find to select the files and a graphical frontend to sed to do the repalcements
[18:18] <amichair> yep, and a graphical fronend (expandable directory-tree style) to show the diffs and posisbly edit them
[18:18] <amichair> hence, generally a simple gui, which I imagine exists also in the foss world
[18:19] <amichair> but very convenient and powerful and quick to use
[18:19] <u1106-laptop> I agree that it might be easier to use. But I have used find for 20+ years so I can cope with it. And I try to avoid to use sed, at least when tricky quoting issues are involved ;)
[18:19] <amichair> I got used to find more or less now (though excluding .svn dirs is something I always have to remember how to do)
[18:19] <amichair> what do you use instead of sed?
[18:20] <u1106-laptop> it might exist
[18:20] <ultram4x> i installed kubuntu 10.04 by windows (wubi) and i want to resize the partition because  i need more space... i tried many things and nothing..
[18:21] <u1106-laptop> well the problem is not with sed, but with quoting in the shell when more tricky strings are involved
[18:22] <amichair> ultram4x: resize a partition, or the wubi file containing the virtual one?
[18:23] <amichair> ultram4x: a real partition you can resize with gparted/qparted/parted
[18:23] <ultram4x> yes, the wubi file containing the virtual
[18:23] <amichair> ultram4x: the special wubi file - I couldn't find a simple way to expand, last time I checked (a couple months ago). Would love to hear an answer if someone figured this out...
[18:24] <amichair> ultram4x: if I recall correctly, the suggestion I got was to migrate it to a real partition, then continue from there
[18:26] <ultram4x> I guess I have no choice, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How%20do%20I%20resize%20the%20virtual%20disks?
[18:27] <ultram4x> I did that and didnt works
[18:29] <amichair> whoops... the little close tab icon which closes a tab in Konsole, kills the entire connection in Konversation!
[18:31] <ultram4x> :P
[18:32] <KukuNut> why did konsole added an extra/redundant 'shell' in the new tab menu? Instead of 1 click now you are forced to do 2 clicks
[18:33] <KukuNut> what else could a new tab be but a shell?
[18:33] <ultram4x> please someone have a solution?
[19:03] <niteye> i deleted my swap partition and created (and then activated) a new one, everything goes great except that hibernate (suspend to disk) doesnt work, it does some stuff and then shuts down but when rebooting it just does a normal boot instead
[19:18] <amichair> niteye: is the new swap large enough to hold all of RAM (probably plus a bit more)?
[19:59] <niteye> amichair: yep it is, thats the reason why i recreated new swap because it was too small before (now its 9Gb and i have 4Gb RAM)
[20:00] <niteye> before when i had too little ram, it told me so in an error message, now it doesnt say anything though either
[20:23] <Guest41528> jak odpalić safari
[20:26] <mime1111> hey gnome i install a fresh one and installed unrar correctly
[20:50] <Daskreech> \o/
[20:51] <Daskreech> Hello everyone!
[21:09] <Daskreech> What's the rofs
[21:09] <Daskreech> on a live CD?
[21:17] <Asinine> does ubuntu have any good development qualities
[21:17] <Daskreech> Asinine: as much as any other UNIX environment
[21:17] <Asinine> does it have a c++ compiler
[21:17] <frxstrem> is there a way to enter Unicode characters in KDE (like I did Ctrl+Shift+U and the hexadecimal value of the character in GNOME, and Alt + decimal value of it on Windows)?
[21:21] <Daskreech> Asinine: yes
[21:21] <Daskreech> frxstrem: Check out Skim
[21:22] <frxstrem> Daskreech: «Skim is a PDF reader and note-taker for OS X.» (I googled it) Is this what you mean?
[21:22] <Asinine> what is better kubuntu or gnome
[21:24] <Daskreech> no
[21:24] <Daskreech> Asinine: Different things. That;s like asking which is better Windows or Winamp
[21:25] <Daskreech> frxstrem: http://www.scim-im.org/projects/skim
[21:25] <frxstrem> okay...by the way, I found it, I just had to look a little bit further..
[21:26] <Daskreech> :-)
[21:29] <frxstrem> Daskreech: this is a bit unclear to me, but what does Skim really do?
[21:31] <Asinine> whats better for development
[21:31] <Asinine> and optimizing resources
[21:33] <Daskreech> frxstrem: allows easier input of Locales and international chars
[21:33] <Daskreech> Can't say i've made extensive use of it it's been maybe 3 years since last time I had great need for it
[21:33] <Daskreech> Asinine: What are my choices?
[21:34] <Asinine> oh
[21:34] <Asinine> kde or gnome
[21:35] <Daskreech> Asinine: simply a preference. The underlying tools that you will use to do the work are the same
[21:36] <Asinine> i know but witch uses less resources
[21:36] <Daskreech> Asinine: What type of development will you be doing
[21:36] <Daskreech> or you are interested in?
[21:37] <Asinine> C++ game dev working on redistributing enhanced source for the planeshift project
[21:37] <Asinine> also i do eqemulator servers
[21:39] <Daskreech> Asinine: both will work equally well what dev environment do you use now?
[21:39] <Asinine> im new to linux im using the default install
[21:40] <Daskreech> Asinine: I meant what were you using before you started looking into linux
[21:40] <Asinine> windows was using visual basic
[21:40] <Asinine> wait
[21:41] <Asinine> visual studios 2008
[21:41] <Daskreech> ok
[21:41] <Asinine> i gotta restart after i get your oppinion
[21:41] <Asinine> im gonna reboot with kde and see how it is
[21:41] <Daskreech> ok was it .NET type work?
[21:42] <Daskreech> Asinine: Ah you are on Ubuntu now?
[21:42] <Daskreech>  you booting live Cds?
[21:42] <Asinine> ?
[21:42] <Daskreech> You said you are rebooting into KDE
[21:43] <Daskreech> I'm guessing you are using a Live CD?
[21:43] <Asinine> oh
[21:43] <Asinine> i dont know i installed it from packages
[21:44] <Daskreech> oh you should be able to just logout and back in
[21:44] <Asinine> ok brb
[21:44] <Daskreech> k
[21:44] <Daskreech> Asinine: wait
[21:45] <Daskreech> in KDE you will need quassel to log back in
[21:45] <Daskreech> ok
[21:45] <Daskreech> :)
[21:45] <Daskreech> Asinine should find it back
[21:45] <wilhart> ehm
[21:45] <wilhart> i hawe twinview and all applications start in second display (projector)
[21:45] <wilhart> hur can i fix this
[21:54] <wilhart> Option ?TwinViewOrientation? ?LeftOf?
[21:54] <wilhart> is this it?
[21:54] <Daskreech> hi JontheEchidna
[21:58] <wilhart> anyone?
[22:03] <Daskreech> wilhart: sorry don't play with that stuff. perhaps it's a setting in the driver?
[22:09] <wilhart> Daskreech: dunno
[22:17] <Daskreech> wilhart: check the driver configuration tool
[22:22] <wilhart> Daskreech: i checked it and tried awerything
[22:23] <wilhart> i tried ewverything help please
[22:24] <Daskreech> wilhart: did you set a default screen?
[22:27] <wilhart> Daskreech: yep hmm PCI what is that
[22:27] <wilhart> hwo do i see what monitor is PCI
[22:27] <wilhart> busid
[22:27] <wilhart> Daskreech: default screen in xorg.conf ? how
[22:35] <Daskreech> wilhart: Well if twinview is exporting each screen as distinct then it could have your second screen as the main one and puts all new Window IDs there
[22:38] <wilhart> Daskreech: complex
[22:38] <wilhart> how do i edit my xorg.conf then
[22:40] <Daskreech> wilhart: Might want to jump into a more focused channel
[22:40] <Daskreech> nvidia drivers?
[22:40] <wilhart> ehm
[22:59] <CoJaBo> Is it possible to use Compiz in Lucid? It installs, I just cant figure out how to actually switch it to use Compiz instead of Kwin (which doesnt do even half of what I want).
[23:00] <well_laid_lawn> try in konsole   compiz --replace
[23:01] <CoJaBo> Thanks, lemme try...
[23:02] <Daskreech> CoJaBo: yes you can. try compiz --replace (or kwin --replace to jump back) or install the compiz control manager
[23:07] <CoJaBo> Daskreech: I've installed the config manager, but it doesnt have an option (that I can find) to actually set Compiz as the window manager.
[23:08] <Daskreech> CoJaBo: ccsm ?
[23:08] <CoJaBo> Yes
[23:08] <Daskreech> used to be able to right click it and choose
[23:09] <CoJaBo> Right click what?
[23:09] <Daskreech> the systray icon
[23:10] <CoJaBo> In the Hardy alpha, there was a tool "advanced desktop effects" that I used to make the switch. That is no longer present, it seems, in Lucid.
[23:11] <Daskreech> CoJaBo: i think it's just shipped by default now
[23:11] <andrew_708476> IS there anyone who is good with Ubuntu in this room
[23:12] <Daskreech> andrew_708476: There is a lot in #ubuntu :)
[23:12] <andrew_708476> yes I know
[23:12] <andrew_708476> but there all asleep
[23:12] <CoJaBo> Daskreech: It was probably removed as it was primarily used to enable the Kwin effects, which are default now. But that means I need to find another way to enable Compiz. Any ideas?
[23:17] <Daskreech> CoJaBo: compiz --replace ?
[23:20] <CoJaBo> Daskreech: Found it- its under "Default Applicatons" now- however, loading Compiz segfaults the kde4-window-decorator, is there any way to fix that?
[23:20] <Daskreech> CoJaBo: Ah right :)
[23:20] <Daskreech> CoJaBo: install emerald ?
[23:20] <CoJaBo> I thought Compiz had its own decorator
[23:20] <CoJaBo> Ah, emerald! That might have been it.
[23:20]  * Daskreech shrugs.  :)
[23:20]  * CoJaBo tries..
[23:40] <CoJaBo> Daskreech: Any idea how to set Emerald to load on startup? It seems to work if I start emerald manually, but it still tries to use the KDE decorator on boot.. :/
[23:40] <Daskreech> CoJaBo: set it as startup I think. Though in theory if you set it once then logout that should be set as default for the next login
[23:48] <well_laid_lawn> easiest way is to use ccsm
[23:48] <well_laid_lawn> !info ccsm
[23:48] <well_laid_lawn> !ccsm
[23:49] <CoJaBo> well_laid_lawn: How do I choose the window decorator to use as default?
[23:49] <illunatic> !tty
[23:50] <well_laid_lawn> I don't use compiz - just seen it mentioned that ccsm is the easiest way to set it up
[23:51] <CoJaBo> well_laid_lawn: I have compiz set up- the issue is that on boot, KDE window Decorator segfaults. I have to load Emerald manually, which works, but is there any way to make it load Emerald instead of the KDE decorator so I dont have to do this every login?
[23:52] <well_laid_lawn> I would think in ccsm there would be an option to do that - if noone here knows try in #compiz