[00:10] <BUGabundo> yofel: that old? http://www.onlinemba.com/blog/internet-history/
[00:11] <yofel> hehe
[00:11] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Grrrr - the picture for '76 is so wrong
[00:12] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:12] <penguin42> if you're going to have 'invented Ethernet, coaxial cables' in bold then wth have a picture of twisted pair?!
[00:14] <penguin42> and there's no mention of the bbn router
[02:19] <sudoer> hi all
[02:20] <sudoer> i just installed ubuntu 10.1 and the first thing I did was "apt-get  install build-essential " and it fails with E: Broken packages
[02:20] <sudoer> I get  build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or libc-dev
[02:23] <sdk> Heyas all.  Trying to get build-dep wine1.2 to install in Maverick but there is a recursion error between libstdc++ and gcc-base 4.1.2-27 (dependency requirement) and 4.1.2-29 (already installed).  Being a relative n00b, is there a way to tell apt/dpkg to ignore the dependency and install anyway; or is that a "Very Bad Thing (TM)"?
[02:25] <pasjr> Hello, I was wondering if any one else has a TOSHIBA A505D they are running 10.10 on?
[02:38] <sdk> Ok, am reading about a package ia32-apt-get, but it does not seem to be in Maveric, or Lucid for that matter.. getting from Karmic.  This should be interestig...
[02:39] <sdk> interesting, even...
[02:43] <sdk> If this fsckig works..
[02:43] <sdk> talk about a kludge..
[02:54] <sdk> Ype, didn't work.  Damn.
[02:56] <sdk> So, we're down to this.. anyone have an idea on how to get 32bit libfreetype on a amd64 system?
[03:43] <MTecknology> Is there any 10.10 cd that will fit on a 700mb disk?
[03:45] <BUGabundo> MTecknology: do you still burn media?
[03:45] <MTecknology> BUGabundo: :(
[03:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I do actually :)
[03:46] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[03:47] <kklimonda> I've burned 2 audio cds today
[03:47] <BUGabundo> I use usb
[03:53] <DanaG> Say, is it possible to set up a system so it uses an aufs overlay if the write-protect switch is set, but uses real file system when write-protect is not set?
[04:05] <DanaG> ah, easier to implement: use user button plus switch-slide to switch from RO to RW.
[04:11] <DanaG> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/aufsRootFileSystemOnUsbFlash
[04:11] <DanaG> Say, what's the status of aufs in Maverick?
[04:28] <DanaG> argh, it's not in the l0 kernel.
[04:28] <DanaG> That's the third-party one.
[04:28] <DanaG> I don't remember what it was that was screwed up 35-15-omap.
[05:21] <MTecknology> I want to try 10.10 to see if it fixing my issues.. but I can't really afford a test drive and I also need to edit the grub config to test it..
[05:22] <MTecknology> If 10.10 doesn't already have the fixes I'll probably return this laptop while I still have time..
[05:22] <MTecknology> I'm pretty sure there's no side scroll support so I may do that anyway..
[06:03] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: I'm pretty sure that "side scroll" isn't something supported by the hardware as much as a sticker on the touchpad and software configuration :)
[06:03] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: you know what touchpad I have?
[06:04] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: No.
[06:04] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: idk what it's called - it seems the manufacturer decided it was an un needed luxury..
[06:04] <MTecknology> problem is that I gre accustomed to using it religiously
[06:04] <MTecknology> I have no scroll bars anywhere..
[06:04] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: You maybe know of a way to spoof it?
[06:05] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Xorg_method
[06:07] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: where would that go if I have no xorg.conf?
[06:08] <MTecknology> when did xorg.conf stop being there anyway? about 9.04 or something?
[06:08] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: You can create one, but I recommend actually making a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-synaptics.conf
[06:08] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: http://andreascarpino.it/2010/04/xorg-1-8-synaptics-touchpad-configuration/
[06:08] <DanaG> No, watch out...
[06:08] <MTecknology> oooh
[06:08] <DanaG> if you make a conf.d in /etc/, it ignores absolutely everything in /usr/
[06:09] <DanaG> Last time I tried that, it left me with no usable keyboard!
[06:09] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/617619
[06:09] <MTecknology> DanaG: :(
[06:10] <MTecknology> DanaG: can I just copy what's in /usr there?
[06:10] <DanaG> Better to just put your own file in /usr.
[06:10] <abhinav> hi .. is the alpha3 64 bit stable enough for an upgrade (in general) ?
[06:10] <DanaG> It's not the right "style" of doing things, but it's least breakage-ey.
[06:10] <MTecknology> DanaG: where specifically would that go?
[06:10] <DanaG> Not sure if that's still true with Maverick.
[06:10] <DanaG> /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[06:11] <MTecknology> oh, there's only 2 files in there - 05-evdev.conf  10-synaptics.conf
[06:13] <MTecknology> DanaG: thanks for the warning - may have saved me a massive headache :)
[06:13] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: so, am I to create the serverlayout section?
[06:14] <MTecknology> Or should I add the input class from the second link
[06:14] <DanaG> One thing I always do: install SSH server.
[06:14] <DanaG> And if I have a box with serial, I like to set up serial console.
[06:15] <MTecknology> DanaG: I don't have a spare system :P
[06:15] <MTecknology> one and only
[06:16] <DanaG> ah, a netbook is good for use as spare -- about all I use it for is grabbing stuff from my main system.
[06:16] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: Smart phone?
[06:16] <MTecknology> I have a usb drive with systemrescuecd on it somewhere
[06:16] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: maybe if I can afford it someday
[06:17] <MTecknology> Things like amazing breakage bother me too little...
[06:17] <DanaG> When you factor in the data plan OR the fully-unlocked price, they can cost more than some netbooks.
[06:17]  * Jordan_U has about the dumbest phone available, can't even download backgrounds / ringtones.
[06:18] <DanaG> You ever try BitPim?
[06:18] <DanaG> If it's LG something-or-other, or such.
[06:19] <MTecknology> well - I'll be back (hoping)
[06:19] <MTecknology> If it breaks I'll probably just go to sleep
[06:19] <DanaG> oh, and remember:
[06:19] <MTecknology> If I don't come back, Jordan_U: DanaG: thanks :D
[06:19] <MTecknology> hm?
[06:19] <DanaG> "text" stops gdm from loading without going all the way to "single".
[06:20] <DanaG> argh, is ports.ubuntu.com down?
[06:20] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: You're welcome.
[06:20] <DanaG> no, it's only the chroot.
[06:21] <MTecknology> now to test this...
[06:21] <MTecknology> vim
[06:22] <MTecknology> nope
[06:22] <Jordan_U> MTecknology: Have you logged out and in again to restart X?
[06:23] <DanaG> weird.. ext3 ignores read-only flag of card!
[06:23] <MTecknology> I get all the way to the edge of the touchpad and it's like I'm just moving around in the middle of it
[06:23] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: reboot
[06:24] <MTecknology> woah! new ubuntu pastebin
[06:24] <Jordan_U> DanaG: If you're talking about the small switch on many flash cards, I think that's actually controlled by the firmware on the card itself.
[06:24] <MTecknology> shiny
[06:24] <MTecknology> http://paste.ubuntu.com/481290/ <- this is what I have now
[06:24] <DanaG> No, I think it's like the old floppies -- it's up to the reader device.
[06:25] <DanaG> And what's weird is that mmcblk0p1 (vfat) gets read-only, but mmcblk0p2 still can write!
[06:25] <MTecknology> Did I do anything dumb with that?
[06:25] <Jordan_U> DanaG: There is certainly enough logic in the card itself to do it, all of the wear leveling / block device emulation is done in that tiny card itself.
[06:26] <DanaG> This one is a micro to fullsize adapter.
[06:26] <MTecknology> GSynaptics couldn't initialize.
[06:26] <MTecknology> You have to set 'SHMConfig' 'true' in xorg.conf or XF86Config to use GSynaptics
[06:26] <DanaG> I had another such adapter break, and it's just a bit of plastic sliding around in another bit of plastic.
[06:26] <DanaG> Yeah, they say you don't need shmconfig... bull!
[06:26] <MTecknology> apparently it didn't read that config..
[06:26] <DanaG> You still need it for synclient -m!
[06:26] <MTecknology> DanaG: I have that in the config though
[06:26] <DanaG> If it's a security risk, then fine, make it require sudo!
[06:27] <DanaG> But claiming we "don't need SHMConfig" is a fallacy.
[06:28] <MTecknology> oh.. I'm also in the wrong channel
[06:28] <MTecknology> This is 10.04 - my work system is 10.10
[06:28] <DanaG> oh yeah, and if you just edited the stock one, you should make a copy of it.
[06:29] <MTecknology> DanaG: I copied what was in /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[06:29] <MTecknology> then I changed the file
[06:29] <MTecknology> DanaG: I don't think xorg is using that config section though..
[06:30] <MTecknology> maybe Identifier "touchpad catchall"
[06:33] <MTecknology> nope..
[06:35] <MTecknology> You guys have any other ideas?
[06:38] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: Do I need to add the ServerLayout and Module sections?
[06:39] <MTecknology> HOw do I know if my touchpad is even synaptics?
[06:43] <ziroday> Hi, anyone seen any bugs regarding laptop wireless toggle switches no longer working?
[07:09] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[07:34] <ddecator> anyone have skype working? i just did a fresh install of 10.10 and skype isn't in the partner repo and when i download the deb it won't install
[07:36] <abhinav> ddecator: what does it complain about
[07:37] <ddecator> abhinav: let me get the error again a sec
[07:39] <ddecator> "dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>: Bad file descriptor"
[07:40] <ddecator> that's using the deb from skype's site
[07:44] <ddecator> i'm also getting complaints when i run "sudo apt-get update" about my PPAs, but i don't think that's related
[07:47] <ddecator> ...any ideas?
[07:51] <abhinav> ddecator: I just started the upgrade, so can't test it out now.. but does the same happen for other packages also ?
[07:53] <ddecator> abhinav: not yet, haven't run into any other issues (other than handbrake not being available)
[07:54] <ddecator> and it gets a 404 every time it tries to connect to the PPA server for updates but i'm guessing that's a temporary server issue
[07:54] <abhinav> ddecator: ok.. the most likely cause is unmet dependencies, but that clearly doesn't seem to be the case here. Could you try installing the package using gdebi ?
[07:54] <abhinav> ddecator: 404 could be because the PPA has been changed to point to maverick, which is not yet created ?
[07:55] <abhinav> ddecator: you might need to change it back to lucid/whatever your previous release was
[07:55] <abhinav> ddecator: just checked.. you have a fresh install. So you didn't have anything earlier. So you can try changing the source entry to lucid
[07:56] <ddecator> abhinav: it's using gdebi for the deb install, and yah i need to check the ppas to see if they have a maverick download available still since that could be the issue
[07:57] <ddecator> and i checked that there isn't a missing dependency (based on what the skype site says is needed)
[08:06] <ddecator> anyone familiar with "N: Ignoring file 'ubuntu-mozilla-daily-ppa-maverick.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension"
[08:06] <ddecator> i'm getting that for every PPA entry i have, no matter what
[08:09] <ddecator> i'm guessing the .save files aren't supposed to be in there because i removed them and it's fine now..
[08:10] <ddecator> but they show up whenever i edit my sources, so wth
[08:18] <ddecator> alright, so skype installed from the deb just fine when i opened it with the software center for w/e reason, so that problem is solved
[08:44] <abhinav> ddecator: the save files are backup. shouldnt affect anything
[08:45] <abhinav> ddecator: you shouldn
[08:45] <abhinav> ddecator: you shouldn't remove them, in case you want to revert back :) any case, no major harm done
[08:46] <ddecator> abhinav: it's bug 611925
[08:47] <abhinav> ddecator: ok.. is yours an upgrade, or a fresh install ?
[08:48] <ddecator> abhinav: fresh
[12:34] <sinurge> apt-get  is working extremly slow anyone else facing slow apt-get
[12:49] <dupondje> sinurge: what is slow ? the downloading or ?
[12:51] <sinurge> dupondje, yup the downloading of vlc
[12:52] <dupondje> then you need a better mirror :)
[12:54] <sinurge> lol i guesssed as much i was just thnking there might be another issue or something
[13:24] <Volkodav> Xorg is eating up to 45 % CPU averaging around 30% on latest nvidia 256.44 ? Am I alone on this ?
[13:26] <abhinav> I upgraded to Alpha3 from a 10.04 installation with nvidia, and the X server is now broken. Is this a known issue ?
[13:31] <Volkodav> abhinav yes
[13:32] <abhinav> Volkodav: looks like this is bug 616023 that I am hitting.. trying out the options there
[13:32] <Volkodav> You need to add a line to Xorg to fix to Section "Server Layout"  Option	   "IgnoreABI"	 "true"
[13:32] <Volkodav> and you will be ok
[13:42] <lamalex> Hey, i'm running maverick but I'd like to mount my home drive from lucid. unfortunately it's encrypted. How do I get access to my files? Anyone know?
[13:54] <abhinav> Volkodav: thanks.. trying the same
[13:56] <abhinav> lamalex: You mean the home directory was encrypted earlier also ?
[13:56] <abhinav> lamalex: what encryption are you talking about ? If you just upgraded on the same machine, that shouldn't affect your access to the home directory
[13:56] <lamalex> abhinav, two partitions
[13:57] <lamalex> want to access data on other partition which is lucid
[13:57] <lamalex> i'm doing ecryptfs-mount-private but it keeps telling me ERROR: Encrypted private directory is not setup properly
[13:58] <abhinav> lamalex: So you installed maverick on a new partition
[13:58] <lamalex> yes
[13:59] <abhinav> lamalex: ok .. and the home in this new partition is obviously different from the one in the lucid partition. So you probably need to set up the ecryptfs thing again
[14:00] <abhinav> Volkodav: the steps worked fine. Thanks !
[14:00] <Volkodav> cool
[14:01] <lamalex> abhinav, huh? what would i need to set up ecryptfs again?
[14:01] <lamalex> s/what/why
[14:02] <lamalex> Let me paint the full picture of what's happening- I'm not sure there'a clear understanding of my problem
[14:04] <lamalex> I just installed maverick to a new partition to test it out, make sure all my stuff works, etc. My old and main system is lucid, which is in the other partition. My lucid set up has an encrypted home. Now I'm in maverick and there are files I want to get from lucid. My partition is mounted, and I can get into home, but I can't get to the files because of encryption. I just need to unlock them
[14:04] <lamalex> but I don't know how to unlock them
[14:07] <abhinav> lamalex: and your maverick home is separate from your lucid home right ?
[14:07] <lamalex> yes, the two have nothing in common
[14:07] <lamalex> (well, swap)
[14:09] <abhinav> lamalex: right .. so you need to "mount" this lucid home, which is encrypted, by providing keys etc. are you doing that from within maverick ?
[14:10] <lamalex> abhinav, I'm here asking how to do that
[14:10] <sinurge> lamalex, pls check this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory
[14:11] <abhinav> ok .. :) this page explains the details .. for your maverick OS, the home on lucid can be seen as a Private encrypted directory. Just follow the instructions here :  http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/08/07/create-an-encrypted-private-directory-with-ecryptfs/
[14:12] <lamalex> thanks
[14:12] <lamalex> ill let you know how it works out
[14:12] <sinurge> lamalex, also imo ths is not a maverick issue itself. if you do not get a solution here you might want to get into the #ubuntu channel for more general help on home directory encryption
[14:16] <lamalex> yeah, didn't work
[14:16] <lamalex> mouted at Private, but didn't unlock my files
[14:20] <abhinav> lamalex: while mounting you had to provide passphrase, etc and that succeeded, right ?
[14:21] <lamalex> appeared to
[14:22] <lamalex> but all it shows me are two .desktop files telling me it's encrypted
[14:54] <lamalex> Is there a problem with source packages at the moment?
[14:54] <lamalex> aptitude build-dep isn't working for me, it can't find the source packages for anything
[15:34] <bcurtiswx> anyone in here running an up to date maverick on a laptop?
[15:36] <Dink> bcurtiswx, I am but it is on a netbook
[15:37] <bcurtiswx> Dink: my gnome-power-manager keeps crashing, but i just want to verify you see a battery icon
[15:37] <Dink> I do
[15:38] <Dink> The only icon that comes and goes, mostly goes is work
[15:38] <Dink> network*
[15:38] <bcurtiswx> OK
[15:38] <Dink> I had the power icon issue a while back it seems stable right now
[15:38] <bcurtiswx> can i restart the power manager through /etc/init.d?
[15:39] <Dink> don't think so
[15:40] <Dink> you can probably send it a HUP signal
[15:41] <Dink> and select it from the preference menu or what not
[15:41] <shadeslayer> me
[15:41] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[15:41] <shadeslayer> i have kubuntu :
[15:41] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[15:42] <bcurtiswx> hmm
[15:49] <mistrynitesh> testing kubuntu maverick livecd on virtualbox but it freezes after login splash screen, is there any way I can pin point the problem?
[15:49] <abhinav> mistrynitesh: try recovery mode, remove "splash" from the boot options
[15:50] <mistrynitesh> in a moment
[15:55] <mistrynitesh> ok, now i get the messages
[15:56] <mistrynitesh> last one says: bootchart post-stop process terminated with status 137
[15:57] <mistrynitesh> a few prior to that say - Out of memory: kill process (blah blah)
[15:58] <penguin42> mistrynitesh: How much RAM have you given it ?
[15:59] <mistrynitesh> 384 mb, my total memory is 1gb
[15:59] <penguin42> I suspect that is too little
[16:01] <mistrynitesh> penguin42: how much is min requirement?
[16:01] <mistrynitesh> vbox allows me to put just about 50% of total memory
[16:01] <penguin42> mistrynitesh: I think 512MB should have a good chance; 384 is probably too close for the graphical installer
[16:02] <penguin42> mistrynitesh: In the out of memory message does it talk about ureadahead?
[16:03] <mistrynitesh> penguin42: no, it talks about rsyslogd, hald and bootchart
[16:03] <penguin42> mistrynitesh: Try it at 512 it should work
[16:03] <mistrynitesh> trying, just a moment
[16:10] <mistrynitesh> still no show
[16:11] <penguin42> still out-of-memorying ?
[16:11] <mistrynitesh> no messages this time
[16:11] <mistrynitesh> just a blank screen with pointer
[16:13] <penguin42> odd
[16:13] <penguin42> that should work
[16:14] <mistrynitesh> guess i will write it on a cd and run on the system itself
[16:31] <soee> hi iv downloaded MM a3 64bit version and tried to run it from USB, but i get this error: Unknown keyword in configuration file
[16:31] <soee> any solutions?
[16:32] <penguin42> yeh that's a common one
[16:32] <penguin42> bug 608382
[16:32] <penguin42> soee: Somewhere in there is a workaround; I think it's you have to eremove the keyword ui from a file
[16:33] <soee> penguin42, and waht @ using USB installer under windows ?
[16:33] <penguin42> I don't know about Windows
[16:33] <soee> ok ill try with this ui
[16:53] <Xase> The new live USB installer is looking great... running the live usb as we speak actually. I have a feeling this release will make it really easier for users to switch to ubuntu. Anyways... had a question. I've ran a couple of different installs of alpha 3 over the last few days, and I noticed something. Sometimes the bootsplash works flawlessly for some installs, and for other installs it blacks out and shows terminal output instead. 
[16:53] <Xase> Known bug?
[17:24] <wechat> Hello everybody! I usually have this annoying bug. While I'm updating at the moment Generating grub.cfg ... after finding all the images *grub-mkconfig* is <hanging on>! I've got to press Ctrl+Z (Ctrl+C doesn't work) and after sudo pkill grub-mkconfig. There is an example: http://paste.uuntu.com/481496/ .
[17:25] <penguin42> wechat: I wonder if it's trying to access a storage device of sometype that isn't responding
[17:25] <penguin42> wechat: You might like to run a dmesg as it's happening
[17:28] <wechat> penguin42: I don't see something useful in dmesg. And I allways have /sda3 mounted which I allways open to listen to music and so on.
[17:29]  * wechat /dev/sda3
[17:29] <penguin42> hmm odd
[17:29] <penguin42> well, it's certainly one for  abug report
[17:29] <soee> got another problem with running MM a3, after installation from USB iv got this error: the symbol `grub_xputs` not found any idea how to fix this (ah and the grub rescue > cmd line appears)
[17:33] <wechat> penguin42: You really ? The problem maybe that I was playing with  /etc/grub.d/40_custom to load another distros without CDs.
[17:35] <wechat> penguin42: ok I really begin to making my mind to write a bug report.
[17:35] <penguin42> wechat: Well, it shouldn't hand - however you're right if you have put something weird in /etc/grub.d then it could
[17:38] <wechat> penguin42: Yeah, I even edited /boot/grub/grub.cfg. I have for now to solve the problem on my own.
[17:57] <wechat> !ping
[18:09] <sinurge> wechat, can you remove the changes you made to grub.cfg in the 40 sectiona and then check
[18:12] <wechat> sinurge: I did. I even installed grub2 again. Nothing changed. But the system is working and this bug is only annoying but not a problem for everyday life.
[18:13] <sinurge> strange,
[18:15] <sinurge> wechat, give it sometime and let it run, eventually it will throw an error and keep a track to dmesg should throw something
[18:27] <wechat> sinurge: I executed sudo update-grub. And it is <hanging on> right now. There is output of dmesg http://paste.ubuntu.com/481530/ .  I pressed Ctrl+Z a minute ago. There is a new dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/481531/ .
[18:35] <BUGabundo> soooo
[18:35] <BUGabundo> I just ordered a new 2TB WD and a kingston SSD 64GB for this laptop
[18:36] <BUGabundo> thinking of reformating and using btrfs
[18:36] <BUGabundo> but I've seen a few bugs with it
[18:36] <BUGabundo> can anyone put me in the loop ?
[18:39] <nigelb> for(i=0;i!= -1; i++) { BUGabundo }
[18:39] <nigelb> there, now you're in the loop :p
[18:39] <wechat> lol
[18:39]  * BUGabundo /kick nigelb smartpants
[18:39] <nigelb> heh
[18:40] <nigelb> couldn't resist :D
[18:40] <wechat> humanity
[18:40] <BUGabundo> it would be much better if you could really reply to my question
[18:40] <nigelb> If I did I would :)
[18:45] <wechat> When will be Compiz effects repaired?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> its not ?
[18:46] <BUGabundo> its working fine for me
[18:46]  * BUGabundo does a cube
[18:46] <wechat> will try now but didn't work last weeks
[18:49]  * wechat Yeah, I've got them: some flashes, apearings and disapearings, "couldn't turn the effects on". XD
[18:54] <CryWolf> Is there a guide for compiling a new kernel based on the current Ubuntu one?  I want to try to get Toshiba hardware support working on my laptop.
[18:55] <CryWolf> I tried searching the wiki for "kernel" but got a 500
[18:56] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[18:57] <magicianlord> hi
[18:57] <wechat> Zdravstvuite!
[18:58] <Umeaboy> I just installed Maverick vitually on my laptop & I see this problem when I have just recently updated the database: http://www.geting.se/viewimage/image/258778-Problem_i_update-manager.png
[18:58] <Umeaboy> It's in Swedish since I'm from Sweden.
[18:59] <Umeaboy> Any way to fix this?
[18:59] <Umeaboy> Besides switching language.
[19:00] <wechat> Umeaboy: You've better ask Linus too. He knows Swedesh.
[19:01] <Umeaboy> Linux isn't here.
[19:01] <Umeaboy> Linus
[19:03] <Umeaboy> wechat: ^^
[19:04] <wechat> Linus is everywhere http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0bjun7h5zA I'm Linux Commercial
[19:04] <magicianlord> how old is linus
[19:05] <magicianlord> what's gonna happen to linux when he's gone
[19:05] <wechat> Umeaboy: you can switch your system to english repeat again and give us the photo
[19:09] <wechat> Umeaboy: or you can always /join #ubuntu-se
[19:27] <sinurge> wechat, i didnt see any issue, am not able to help sorry
[19:29] <wechat> sinurge: ok it's working well anyway with this issue
[19:42] <CryWolf> Well, I've found that I don't have hardware support because Toshiba is now using a new BIOS which I've never heard of before: Insyde.  Glad I tried before filing a bug.
[19:47] <penguin42> CryWolf: Oh, never heard of them either
[19:47] <penguin42> CryWolf: My Tosh uses a Phoenix bios
[19:47] <penguin42> CryWolf: So, what does the BIOS do to it?
[19:54] <CryWolf> penguin42: No one has developed an interface for it.  So the FN key doesn't work, can't turn wireless on and off, adjust brightness, etc.
[19:55] <CryWolf> Fortunately, things like lock, suspend, hibernate, etc are easy to assign keys to.  And the volume wheel does work.
[19:55] <penguin42> CryWolf: ah ok; I think most of the things that you see called 'toshiba tools'  are for pretty old ones
[19:56] <penguin42> CryWolf: I've never managed to get anything out of the media keys on mine
[19:57] <CryWolf> At least ACPI works with the current kernel.
[19:58] <CryWolf> I have another system (a desktop) where media keys are just mapped to various amixer commands.
[19:58] <penguin42> nod
[19:58] <penguin42> yeh, I don't think I've ever seen the kernel get told anything at all by this hardware
[19:59] <CryWolf> The power management can dim the screen.  There has to be a command that lets me do it, but I haven't found it yet.
[19:59] <CryWolf> Turning wireless on and off is probably a lost cause, though.
[19:59] <penguin42> CryWolf: Have a look in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0
[20:00] <penguin42> there may be a brightness
[20:01] <penguin42> CryWolf: As for wireless, try /sys/class/wlan0/phy80211/rfkill0 - mine has a hard/soft files
[20:04] <CryWolf> Sweet.  Adjusting brightness works.  Next challenge on that will be assigning hotkeys and allowing a regular user to change it.
[20:05] <CryWolf> I don't have /sys/class/wlan0 but I'll keep hunting around in there.
[20:05] <penguin42> CryWolf: Oops, /sys/class/net/wlan0
[20:07] <CryWolf> There it is.  No phy, but I'll see what I can find.
[20:15] <Umeaboy> wechat: This is the first error: http://www.geting.se/viewimage/image/258824-First_error_in_Update-manager.png
[20:15] <Umeaboy> This is the second problem, wechat: http://www.geting.se/viewimage/image/258825-Second_problem_in_Update-manager.png
[20:16] <penguin42> it's not letting me update libgirepository1.0-0 either
[20:16] <wechat> Umeaboy: i had the same :)
[20:17] <wechat> Umeaboy: what was the command? update-manager?
[20:20] <wechat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/481574/  -- this is my -- dpkg -s libgirepository1.0-0
[20:20] <CryWolf> penguin42: Alas, no wireless controls available.  I can still set some power management with iwconfig, though.  And at least now I know how to change the monitor brightness.  :)
[20:22] <penguin42> CryWolf: No /sys/class/rfkill either?
[20:23] <CryWolf> penguin42: Directory is there, but empty
[20:23] <penguin42> CryWolf: Hohum
[20:25] <CryWolf> penguin42: At this point, it's a minor issue.  I do appreciate the help.
[20:25] <penguin42> CryWolf: No problem
[20:27] <CryWolf> I wonder what the difference between libgirepository1.0-0 and libgirepository1.0-1 is.  I have latter on my system, which I updated earlier today.
[20:27] <CryWolf> I've been running maverick for only a couple of weeks, so that might have made a difference.
[20:27] <penguin42> CryWolf: Just a version difference I guess
[20:28] <Umeaboy> wechat: Huh? I went via System ->Administration ->Update manager
[20:28] <penguin42> actually, I've just removed libgirepository1.0-0 from both my machines and it's not removed anything else
[20:31] <CryWolf> Looking at the apt-cache info, looks like 1.0-1 was moved from devel to libs, is a little smaller, and is part of several tasks.  And I'm guessing the "Replaces" line means you should just be able to install the new one overtop the old.
[20:33] <ikonia> 1/window 37
[20:33] <ikonia> oops
[20:34]  * BUGabundo covers ikonia
[20:34] <BUGabundo> you have over 37 chats?
[20:34] <BUGabundo> o:O
[20:34] <BUGabundo> mew why does google put a cron in their debs?
[20:35] <BUGabundo> phone home isn't enough ?
[20:35] <duffydack> BUGabundo, they do???
[20:36] <BUGabundo> look at /etc/cron.daily/google-talkplugin
[20:36] <duffydack> I just installed that yesterday as well
[20:37] <BUGabundo> I don't get how ppl get this to work
[20:37] <BUGabundo> two pcs and none even start /opt/google/talkplugin/GoogleTalkPlugin
[20:37] <BUGabundo> :(
[20:37] <duffydack> isnt updating with that repo configured enough to update the plugin..
[20:39] <BUGabundo> I know!
[20:39] <BUGabundo> FAIL
[20:43] <duffydack> slowly trying to turn ubuntu into gOS :)
[20:43] <duffydack> you`ll run a terminal and get google ads
[20:43] <duffydack> lol
[20:44] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:44] <BUGabundo> when my SSD come, ill dual boot MM and chromiumOS
[20:44] <BUGabundo> just need to know how to set up BTRFS
[20:47] <wechat> Umeaboy: sorry I see . I always do in that way http://paste.ubuntu.com/481581/
[20:48] <BUGabundo> bbl
[20:51] <penguin42> damn, I could swear I reported that bug
[20:51] <penguin42> hmm
[21:57] <penguin42> anyone else seeing a pause during boot of about 30 seconds?
[22:14] <wechat> penguin42: Sometimes i saw a black screen Before grub. I even thought it wouldn't load at all.
[22:14] <moxypen> hi people. Just updated from 10.04 LTS to 10.10 via Update, and now I cant boot into the GUI (I CAN boot into the shell though...) - I've got a Radeon 5750 but I'm not sure how to fix the xorg
[22:14] <wechat> penguin42: 10-15 seconds
[22:14] <CarlFK> how do I install openoffice?
[22:14] <wechat> CarlFK: aptitude search openoffice
[22:14] <penguin42> moxypen: You might have bug 605614
[22:15] <moxypen> wonderful :)
[22:15] <CarlFK> lol The program 'aptitude' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing...
[22:15] <penguin42> moxypen: Get into grub and edit the line that says   set gfxmode=keep      to    set gfxmode=text and see if it helps
[22:15] <wechat> CarlFK: instal *on* what?
[22:15] <wechat> CarlFK: soory i'm from 9.10
[22:15] <CarlFK> whatever 10.10 + dist-upgrade I have
[22:15] <moxypen> ok.. thanks penguin
[22:16] <wechat> CarlFK: it was in 9.10 and it is now from the past with me in 10.10
[22:16] <moxypen> grub would be in /etc/??
[22:16] <bp0> is there a site like this for maverick? http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/
[22:17] <CarlFK> guessing i want openoffice.org2
[22:18] <penguin42> CarlFK: Should just be openoffice.org
[22:19] <wechat> CarlFK: there is in the world also OxygenOffice Professional (free)
[22:23] <moxypen> penguin, which file should I edit, /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[22:23] <penguin42> moxypen: Well I would try it just using the grub menu (hold down left shift just as it's about to boot)
[22:24] <moxypen> even better... will try that :)
[22:24] <penguin42> moxypen: If it works I think it's /etc/default/grub   and I think it's comment 5 in that bug report
[22:25] <moxypen> the left-shift didn't work.. will have to use VI or something
[22:26] <penguin42> it's a matter of hitting shift immediately at the bios
[22:26] <moxypen> oh, I hit "e" on the grub menu, that gave me a simple editor
[22:27] <penguin42> yep that's it
[22:27] <moxypen> ok, thanks.. will change "keep" to "text"
[22:33] <moxypen> well that worked partially... it boots into text now. When running "X", it cant load fglrx
[22:34] <moxypen> ...will read comment #5 now :)
[22:34] <penguin42> moxypen: Ah I'm not sure about the fglrx story, I use the open driver
[22:36] <moxypen> what was the X configuration script thing called again? perhaps if I set it up for vesa?
[22:36] <penguin42> moxypen: If you just move any xorg.conf you have out of the way it should automatically sort itself out
[22:36] <moxypen> just rename / delet xorg.conf?
[22:37] <penguin42> yeh, just rename it so that when you get fglrx going you have it in case you need it
[22:39] <moxypen> ok, that took me a step forward. Now the screen went black. I probably should try setting it to vesa
[22:43] <penguin42> moxypen: You could also try adding a     nomodeset     to the end of the kernel boot line to turn off kernel-mode-setting
[22:43]  * penguin42 disappears for 15mins
[22:44] <moxypen> kk.. thanks
[23:01]  * penguin42 reappears
[23:04] <moxypen> I think I'll just give up and reinstall free when 10.10 comes out
[23:04] <moxypen> free = fresh
[23:04] <penguin42> ok, which card did you say you had?
[23:05] <moxypen> radeon 5750
[23:06] <penguin42> I think the 5xxx support in the open driver is pretty new, so I suspect you'll need the fglrx; I've got the 4350 and it's reasonably happy but still has some issues
[23:06] <moxypen> so you think that's the problem?
[23:06] <penguin42> dunno; I think you're the first 5xxx person I've seen on here
[23:09] <moxypen> dont suppose there's a roll-back from the update?
[23:09] <penguin42> from Maverick->Lucid, sorry no
[23:09] <Daekdroom> HD5xxx doesn't have 3D support on Maverick, and I don't think it will
[23:10] <Daekdroom> unless you use fglrx
[23:10] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Do you know what the current story on fglrx is for Maverick?
[23:12] <Daekdroom> penguin42, It doesn't work (TM)
[23:12] <Daekdroom> We have to wait for a Catalyst beta release with Xserver 1.9 support
[23:12] <penguin42> Daekdroom: OK, so the correct answer for hd5xxx guys at the moment is hard luck
[23:12] <moxypen> ah well... another month?
[23:14] <moxypen> ...and a half
[23:14] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Do you know if edgers has 5xxx support? Maybe an option for some people
[23:15] <Daekdroom> penguin42, xorg-edgers should have Mesa3D code soon, very soon.
[23:15] <Daekdroom> It's just that code won't make it to stable before Maverick freezes.
[23:15] <penguin42> Daekdroom: OK, so the general advice for hd5xxx guys is hard luck - although if it's black screening on them then it's a bug and it needs fixing; 2D should work
[23:15] <Daekdroom> In fact, the Evergreen 3D accel code was merged to Mesa today.
[23:16] <Daekdroom> penguin42, precisely, 2D should work
[23:16] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I remember it needed nomodeset for lucid
[23:16] <moxypen> definitely black-screening
[23:16] <moxypen> ..for me
[23:16] <penguin42> moxypen: I'd try removing fgrlx and seeing if that helps, but if not then certainly bug report it - 2D should work for almost everything
[23:17] <moxypen> how would I remove fgrlx?
[23:17] <penguin42> good question; I don't have it installed
[23:18] <moxypen> I'll google it :)
[23:18] <penguin42> moxypen: Try dpkg -l \*fglrx\* and see what you find to remove - except for fglrx-modaliases which you should keep I think
[23:19] <moxypen> kk
[23:20] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Don't suppose you've had much experience with the hd4xxx cards have you?
[23:20] <Daekdroom> penguin42, 0 experience, why?
[23:21] <penguin42> Daekdroom: I had assaultcube working on Lucid with xorg-edgers, but on plain Maverick it's got severe rendering issues - I've not tried maverick+edgers yet
[23:32] <moxypen> no joy, even after removing fglrx
[23:33] <penguin42> moxypen: Bug report it - include everything you've tried
[23:33] <moxypen> kk
[23:33] <moxypen> thanks and bye
[23:43] <MTecknology> How hard is it to convert an init script to an upstart script?
[23:43] <MTecknology> or perhaps I'll ask in the appropriate channel - sorry
[23:50] <Hellow|SSH> I'm having this odd issue with Xorg not starting and logging nothing at all.
[23:50] <Hellow|SSH> From what I'm seeing in the output, it's segfaulting.
[23:51] <penguin42> Hellow|SSH: What graphics card?
[23:51] <Hellow|SSH> penguin42: ATI Radeon 4650, although I'm not using the config file for it.
[23:51] <Hellow|SSH> Running Xorg fully dynamic, with no xorg.conf
[23:52] <penguin42> Hellow|SSH: ok, you may have bug 605614
[23:53] <penguin42> Hellow|SSH: Can you try something? Stop grub from booting (hit left shift just as the bios comes up and hold it down till you get the grub menu) , and go into the editor in grub (hit e) and change the line that says    set gfxmode=keep    and change the keep to text
[23:53] <Hellow|SSH> Aye, just a second.
[23:59] <Hellow|SSH> Odd.