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nigelbRhonda: *hugs* for getting packages.ubuntu.com working again :)08:18
dupondjeand now merges.ubuntu.com :)08:22
Rhondanigelb: Well, thank elmo I would expect, or cjwatson who should at least know who did the final tweakings.08:47
nigelbRhonda: yes, but somone had to keep poking them :)08:48
RhondaI guess I have to continue with that to make the screenshots appear anyway, people seem to like the idea, strangely enough. ;)08:49
nigelbheh08:49
Rhondabusy at froscon btw. Anyone of the usual suspects here?08:50
RhondaThere is some ubuntu and kubuntu booth at least.08:50
nigelbBerlin? dholbach maybe.08:54
nigelbOh, Bonn08:54
vishjcastro: maye we can mention stack exchange in the installer itself!09:23
vishargH!09:23
vishwrong channel!09:23
and471can anyone point me to some documentation on how to go about removing a package from main09:37
and471actually, removing from universe09:37
tumbleweedand471: write a bug requesting it's removal, and showing it has no rdepends. Link to the appropriate debian bug if it was removed there too. Subscribe ubuntu-archive.09:46
and471ok thanks09:47
bilalakhtarhi tumbleweed, for that keurocalc merge the other day do you think it was good from my part (after ignoring the forwarding to debian problem) ?10:00
and471tumbleweed, thanks for the merge yesterday :)10:02
tumbleweedbilalakhtar: I remember no issues :) and471: np10:07
bilalakhtartumbleweed: ah, ok. I am extra-careful about such stuff nowadays, since every thing counts once you get closer towards MOTU :)10:08
vishbilalakhtar: looks like the gps drive is looking for someone to maintain it.. what we have in archive is pretty old outdated package, interested?  ;)10:18
bilalakhtarvish: is it orphaned? ME TO THE RESque!10:18
bilalakhtarvish: I wanted to maintain it for a long time, but the maintainer didn't announce it to be orphaned10:19
vishbilalakhtar: its in the comments in one of the reports you pointed out.10:19
vishbilalakhtar: not orphaned, but seems maintainer is MIA.10:19
bilalakhtarvish: MIA?10:19
and471missing in action10:19
vishwhich might be orphaned , but not official10:19
vishbilalakhtar: ^10:20
bilalakhtarok10:20
bilalakhtarvish: it isn't orphaned, but I will put up an RFA10:20
* bilalakhtar fires up reportbug10:21
bilalakhtarit appears that I will need to contact the maintainer10:22
* bilalakhtar joins #debian-qa on irc.oftc.net10:22
and471bilalakhtar, what are the advantages of being a contributing dev?10:25
bilalakhtarand471: the only advantage is that you get ubuntu membership the easy way!10:25
and471bilalakhtar, vish has just recommended that I become one, but since you have just become one I thought I'd ask you :)10:25
and471hehe10:25
bilalakhtarand471: How many packages have you uploaded?10:25
* and471 starts counting10:25
bilalakhtarand471: did you ever work on merges/syncs?10:25
vishand471: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BilalAkhtar/ContributingDeveloperApplication  this was app10:26
vishi10:26
and471bilalakhtar, no not really, mostly fixes for 100 papercuts10:26
vishand471: what about Software center? ;)10:26
and471vish, oh yeah and that :)10:26
* bilalakhtar looks at and471 's lp profile10:26
bilalakhtarand471: what did you do about s-c ?10:28
vishand471: this is the wiki : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Ubuntu%20Contributing%20Developers  just thought you might qualify.. [but i'm not dmb though] ;p10:28
and471bilalakhtar, I have just been heavily involved in its development10:28
bilalakhtarand471: ah, that would help10:28
and471vish, no problem, I am glad you recommended it or I never even would have thought about it10:29
vishnp.. :)10:29
and471vish, bilalakhtar, I think the problem is I haven't done any sync/merges10:30
and471(to be honest I couldn't define either)10:30
and471maybe if I can get a few of them under my belt, I could apply10:30
bilalakhtar_yes I am here, and471 and vish10:31
and471bilalakhtar_, clone...10:31
bilalakhtar_actually I got disconnected, so had to reconnect10:31
bilalakhtar_let bilalakhtar go down, then I will change nick10:31
bilalakhtar_and471: I was going to tell you, merging/syncing from Debian is the most common task in development (ubuntu). It might be a bit difficult to become UUC without it, but I cannot say anything, for sure10:32
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and471no you are right, I did to do some of them10:33
* bilalakhtar has to switch WiFi networks now, will be back in a few seconds10:34
ari-tczewand471: do you want to become as UUC?10:34
bilalakhtarari-tczew: yes10:34
and471ari-tczew, that is a question I need to ask :)10:34
ari-tczewand471: could I see your LP and wiki page?10:35
and471ari-tczew, vish recommended it and I just wanted to first find a little bit more about it10:35
bilalakhtarand471: BTW, I never uploaded a package outside Maverick10:35
and471ari-tczew, sure launchpad.net/~and47110:35
bilalakhtarand471: which means that I got involved in development too early10:35
bilalakhtarand471: its your choice, but I would recommend you to apply once you have crossed 10 uploads10:36
and471bilalakhtar, cool thanks for the advice :)10:36
vishari-tczew: and471 has been working on Software center for a very very long time, ever since it was released , and i have seen him do work on a few other packages too.. so i just suggested it might be something he could try for :)10:36
bilalakhtarand471: BTW, do you remember me poking you up for porting Wasiliana to python?10:37
and471vish, I was working on it before you were called vish...10:37
vishand471: ;p10:37
bilalakhtarhehe10:37
and471bilalakhtar, nope, but I probably have a bad memory10:37
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and471bilalakhtar, wasiliana is not really being worked on at the moment, I am trying to get kazam ready for a release and that is being a bit slow as well10:38
ari-tczewand471, vish, bilalakhtar: there is no stricte bareer like "minimum 10 packages uploaded", just minimum work for Ubuntu. I didn't remember your work (personally).10:39
bilalakhtarari-tczew: I just recommended it to him10:39
bilalakhtarari-tczew: I know that there is no strict barrier10:39
and471ari-tczew, yeah, but I think I need to do some syncs/merges before I apply10:39
bilalakhtarBTW, coolbhavi got rejected from MOTU even after uploading 900+ packages!10:39
ari-tczewand471: you have to create a wiki page if you want apply as UUC10:40
bilalakhtarari-tczew: he is just thinking about applying10:40
ari-tczewand471, bilalakhtar: even so, it's require to get some comments from sponsors10:40
bilalakhtarari-tczew: hey, how do you people get so many packages uploaded! (joking) Did you hack or something? You have so many uploads!10:40
bilalakhtarari-tczew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BilalAkhtar/ContributingDeveloperApplication was my application10:41
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: just working10:41
* persia notes that nobody is ever rejected from MOTU: applications are just deferred10:42
ari-tczewand471: I propose to fix security issues or even testing proposed patches :)10:42
vishpersia: hey! :)10:42
and471bilalakhtar, did you have to ask people to comment on it, or does it just happend?10:42
and471ari-tczew, cool thanks10:42
bilalakhtarpersia: ah ok if I used the wrong word, but what happened with coolbhavi's application and the e-mail votes?10:42
bilalakhtarand471: you need to manually poke the people to comment10:42
and471ok10:43
bilalakhtarand471: I had poked 6 people, but only 3 commented10:43
and471vish, well hopefully with those two bugs I just managed, I can get two syncs10:43
persiabilalakhtar, In process.  Results will be annonced later.10:43
and471if debian are not slow about it again10:43
bilalakhtarone thing I don't like about Debian is that NMUs get sponsored very slowly10:44
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: bhavi's case is sad, but he could include people's changes to debian/changelog and everything will be allright10:44
bilalakhtarari-tczew: that was a very small error10:44
bilalakhtarari-tczew: well, that taught all of us a lesson10:45
bilalakhtaralways thank people for patches in debian/changelog10:45
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: I don't think so, because there are people which were affected by his problem10:45
bilalakhtarari-tczew: will you attend th e10:47
and471anyway thanks for all of your guys' advice/help/jokes :)10:47
bilalakhtar(continuation) next meeting10:47
bilalakhtar?10:47
and471I'm gonna go now10:47
and471see ya10:47
bilalakhtarbye and47110:47
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: I don't understand10:47
bilalakhtarari-tczew: will you attend the next meeting?10:47
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: as you can see on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda, yes10:48
ari-tczewand there is a question of free time, because 17th Aug I've been working in hours UTC 8:00 - 16:00 +1 hours for come back to home, so I was too late on channel.10:50
cjwatsonRhonda: I did tell you who it was - Brad Marshall12:05
RhondaOh, then I missed that part, thanks.13:16
AnAntHello13:31
ari-tczewhelo AnAnt13:32
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ari-tczewtumbleweed: could you review again bug 583280 ?13:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 583280 in mtd-utils (Ubuntu Lucid) "nandwrite failing with IGEPv2 (OMAP 3430)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58328013:42
ari-tczewnow sponsors step is first before SRU team review13:44
tumbleweedari-tczew: so, do you think that debdiff is ready for SRU? I see two small issues13:46
ari-tczewtumbleweed: so I have to look into debdiff :P13:47
ari-tczewtumbleweed: 1: run update-maintainer and 2: include lp: # in debian/changelog13:48
ari-tczewno subscribed ubuntu-sponsors in bug :P13:49
tumbleweedari-tczew: yes to all of those. but two issues in this line: mtd-utils (20090606-1ubuntu1) lucid; urgency=low13:49
ari-tczewtumbleweed: s/lucid/lucid-proposed13:50
tumbleweedyup13:50
ari-tczews/20090606-1ubuntu1/20090606-1ubuntu0.113:51
ari-tczewtumbleweed: ^^13:51
tumbleweedalmost there13:51
tumbleweedhint:13:51
tumbleweed mtd-utils | 20090606-1 | karmic/universe | source, amd64, i38613:51
tumbleweed mtd-utils | 20090606-1 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, i38613:51
tumbleweedari-tczew: point 4: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure13:52
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ari-tczewtumbleweed: and?13:54
tumbleweedkarmic and lucid have the same version number. 20090606-1ubuntu0.1 in lucid would not allow us to SRU karmic13:55
ari-tczewtumbleweed: why not?13:56
tumbleweedwell, what version number would we use to SRU to kramic?13:57
ari-tczewtumbleweed: 20090606-1ubuntu-9.1013:58
tumbleweedwe try to never have two hyphens in a version, it confuses some things13:59
tumbleweedanyway, if you follow th elink from point 4, you'll get here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging13:59
tumbleweedwhich has this recommended scheme:13:59
tumbleweed2.0-2 in two releases         2.0-2ubuntu0.5.04.1 and 2.0-2ubuntu0.5.10.113:59
ari-tczewtumbleweed: so he must repair his debdiff14:00
tumbleweedyou know everything that needs to be done now, feel free to propose a debdiff14:01
ari-tczewI'll do that, but later14:08
ari-tczewtumbleweed: do you mean attach a fixed debdiff or suggest him to fix something?14:08
tumbleweedari-tczew: attach one14:09
ari-tczewtumbleweed: sign by me?14:10
tumbleweedyes, nothing wrong with that if you are the one preparing it. It's normal to give credit to the patch author in the message.14:11
ari-tczewtumbleweed: I'll add in debian/changelog a line:  [ Daniel J Blueman ] and below the change14:13
tumbleweedthat works too14:14
ari-tczewbilalakhtar: that just Bhavani has got the problem with including other people in debian/changelog ^^14:14
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michasHi, not sure if I am absolutely on-topic, but do you know why the sun-java6-* packages where moved from multiverse to partner? Was there a large licence change or something?15:47
sebnermichas: I guess because in theory openjdk is now equivalent to sun-java15:48
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sladenmichas: being superceded15:50
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SpamapSAnyone know how to get requestsync to see that this package was uploaded to unstable: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gearman-interface.html ?16:59
SpamapS0.13.2-1 is severely broken16:59
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geserSpamapS: once LP or rmadison list it17:09
geserSpamapS: but you still have the option to file the sync request by hand, just copy the needed infomation into the bug17:09
SpamapSgeser: whats rmadison ?17:18
nigelbSpamapS: its a tool (in devscripts)17:18
nigelb!info rmadison17:18
ubottuPackage rmadison does not exist in lucid17:18
nigelbthat's strange17:19
nigelboh wait, it isn't a package17:19
gesernigelb: like you said, a tool in devscripts17:19
geser!info devscripts17:19
ubottudevscripts (source: devscripts): scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.61ubuntu5 (lucid), package size 578 kB, installed size 1724 kB17:19
geser:)17:19
SpamapSah Ok17:20
SpamapSso how does rmadison update itself?17:20
nigelbSpamapS: It queries the servers.17:20
nigelbgeser: yeah, I was getting there :)17:20
SpamapSok, I see that.. and it still has 0.13.2-1 .. odd17:21
geserit's only a frontend for a CGI page on the Debian servers which gets its information directly from a database17:21
SpamapSyeah I see that17:22
SpamapSweird that PTS has the new version, but madison does not17:22
SpamapSI'm probably just being too eager. the upload was only 24 hours ago17:22
geserwhich should usually be enough17:22
SpamapSProjectb snapshot from Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:18:06 +000017:24
SpamapSnot quite. ;)17:24
SpamapSNot sure how often that snapshot is updated.. but 2 days seems a long time. ;)17:25
geserdinstall runs nowadays 4 times a day in Debian IIRC17:26
SpamapSwell I won't worry about it17:27
SpamapSI should be outside in the sun anyway, not syncing packages17:27
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simarshadeslayer: heya !!! hows going on20:42
shadeslayeroh hey20:42
shadeslayer:D20:42
shadeslayersimar: long time no see :D20:42
simarshadeslayer: ya :D20:42
simarshadeslayer: I'm happy that you remember me..20:43
shadeslayer:)20:43
simarshadeslayer: I want to ask something, why doesn't the moto mentoring program respond??20:43
shadeslayerbecause its not active as of now?20:44
simarshadeslayer: :-((20:44
simarshadeslayer: oh, by the way hows you application for moto going on..20:44
shadeslayeryeah i know20:44
shadeslayersimar: ah.. right now im looking at some coding, not alot of packaging for universe20:45
shadeslayerbut im involved with neon.. which takes up most of my packaging time :P20:45
shadeslayerone sec20:47
simarsimar:  neon??20:47
iuliansimar: The acronym is MOTU btw, not moto.20:48
* iulian goes back to his cave.20:48
simariulian: oh, my mistake.20:51
simariulian: , typo20:51
shadeslayersimar: project neon20:53
shadeslayerbasically aimed at providing nightly KDE builds20:53
simarshadeslayer: ok20:53
simarshadeslayer: now i can package better and i'm still a beginner to packaging.20:55
shadeslayergood to hear :D20:55
shadeslayerso basically its bug fixing time in maverick, you might want to look at the topic ;)20:55
simarshadeslayer: I hope you can guide me some better starting point (than FTBFS that i started at) for easy packaging..20:56
simarshadeslayer: I'm interested in bug fixing... let me see20:56
shadeslayerwell.. your a bit late, else i could have told you how to do sync's and merge's as well20:57
simarshadeslayer: :-((20:57
simarshadeslayer: I can't see much interesting in topic.. what you were pointing at??20:59
shadeslayersame FTBFS :P20:59
shadeslayerand look at bugs.launchpad.net20:59
shadeslayerdo we have a tag for packaging bugs?20:59
=== sladen changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Archive: Open | Maverick Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://is.gd/2y76G | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ | latest rebuild failures: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi
simarshadeslayer: ya FTBFS has taken a lot of my energy..21:05
shadeslayerwhee21:06
shadeslayerarchive open again21:06
simarshadeslayer: see this I have submitted some patch work https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kball/+bug/61186721:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 611867 in kball (Ubuntu) "FTBFS in maverick. Error: 'mkdir' was not declared in this scope" [Undecided,Fix released]21:06
simarshadeslayer: I think i should start at 100 papercuts, may be..21:06
shadeslayersimar: good start21:07
simarshadeslayer: thanks for encouraging :-))21:07
simarshadeslayer: what about 100 papercuts21:08
shadeslayersimar: id say go for them ;)21:08
shadeslayeralso look at operation cleansweep21:08
simarshadeslayer: ya I have heard both of them, I think i'll try to fit myself somewhere ..21:09
simarshadeslayer: thanks for you advice21:09
simarthough21:09
simar:))21:09
shadeslayersimar: contact nigelb for operation cleansweep21:09
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simarshadeslayer: ya i will, first i will read some wiki, though i have read some.. :))21:10
shadeslayeryeah operation cleansweep has a pretty small wiki21:10
shadeslayerjust see if the patch is still applicable > use it with packaging > attach debdiff and ask a MOTU to review bug if its in universe21:11
simarya, if we skip knowledge base part of it. ..lol21:11
simarshadeslayer: thanks for overview ..21:12
shadeslayer:)21:12
simarshadeslayer: ok, i think i should start right away .. once again thanks n good luck in coding .. :-))21:18
shadeslayerhehe :D21:18
shadeslayermy patch is almost 90 % ready21:18
simarshadeslayer: good .. keep it going, c ya later21:20
shadeslayercya21:20
sistpotycan anyone unsubscribe sponsors from bug #619709 please, as I seem to have lost the ability to do so during the merge of the sponsors teams.22:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 619709 in javacc (Ubuntu) "Please sync javacc 5.0-4 (main) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61970922:23
tumbleweedsistpoty: done22:23
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sistpotythanks tumbleweed22:24
BlackZsistpoty: if you ACK a sync request, you should set the bug's status to "Confirmed"22:31
sistpotyBlackZ: ah, thanks for the hint22:32
* RainCT wonders if anyone is familiar with libtextcat23:05
RainCTparticularly on why libtextcat-data-utf8 won't let met install libtextcat023:07
sistpotyRainCT: libtextcat0 depends on libtextcat-data, which conflicts with libtextcat-data-utf823:09
RainCTsistpoty: yup, so why would that be?23:10
sistpotyRainCT: no idea... I'm not familiar with libtextcat :P23:11
RainCTIt looks like libtextcat-data-utf8 is there only for OpenOffice.org, which from what I've read ships a bundled copy of libtextcat023:11
sistpotyRainCT: my best guess is that both data files are meant to be interchangeable, just the mechanism was chosen wrongly23:12
* RainCT tries what happens adding a Provides: libtextcat-data to -utf823:13
sistpotyRainCT: I doubt it will work, since libtextcat-data is non-virtual... otoh, provides in conjunction with conflicts is so special, that I always forget the details. probably if you change the conflicts to libtextcat-data it might even work23:14
RainCT"openoffice.org-common conflicts with libtextcat-data   libtextcat-data-utf8 provides libtextcat-data and is to be installed.  dpkg: error"23:14
RainCTdamn you dpkg :P23:15
sistpotyhaha23:15
sistpotyRainCT: I think the self-conflicts of libtextcat-data-utf8 should be adjusted to libtextcat-data, maybe that makes dpkg happier :)23:16
RainCTOK, got it installed, giving libtextcat0 an alternative dependency on -utf8, and removing "Breaks: libtextdata0" from -utf8. Let's see if it works23:18
sistpotyRainCT: I think the traditional approach is to have both data packages provide one virtual package (both conflicting to it) and have the library depend on bestfitrealpackage | virtual-package (since that adds the least burden on apts dependency resolver)23:24
sistpotyLutin: python-evas ftbfs (0.3.1+svn20091203-1), however 0.5.0+r49677-1 builds fine. Should we go for a sync? (I'm totally unfamiliar with the zhone stack)23:27
RainCTuhm, half of the sentences in langclass/ShortTexts/catalan.txt are in Spanish o.O23:30
sistpotysaludos! :)23:31
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RainCTsistpoty: ok, the library works fine with the UTF-8 data, so I see no reasons why they should conflict23:41
sistpotyRainCT: probably it was just a not working approach to state that either data or data-utf8 would be needed23:42
Lutinsistpoty: oh yes, totally. that's my fault here - forgot that python-* was in ubuntu. you might want to sync python-ecore, -edje, -edbus and -elementary too23:43
sistpotyLutin: thanks!23:44
RainCToh, packages.ubuntu.com is being updated again?23:45
sistpotyRainCT: hm? works for me (though I still don't get screenshots *g*)23:50
RainCTlast time I checked it didn't have maverick23:50

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