[08:18] <nigelb> Rhonda: *hugs* for getting packages.ubuntu.com working again :)
[08:22] <dupondje> and now merges.ubuntu.com :)
[08:47] <Rhonda> nigelb: Well, thank elmo I would expect, or cjwatson who should at least know who did the final tweakings.
[08:48] <nigelb> Rhonda: yes, but somone had to keep poking them :)
[08:49] <Rhonda> I guess I have to continue with that to make the screenshots appear anyway, people seem to like the idea, strangely enough. ;)
[08:49] <nigelb> heh
[08:50] <Rhonda> busy at froscon btw. Anyone of the usual suspects here?
[08:50] <Rhonda> There is some ubuntu and kubuntu booth at least.
[08:54] <nigelb> Berlin? dholbach maybe.
[08:54] <nigelb> Oh, Bonn
[09:23] <vish> jcastro: maye we can mention stack exchange in the installer itself!
[09:23] <vish> argH!
[09:23] <vish> wrong channel!
[09:37] <and471> can anyone point me to some documentation on how to go about removing a package from main
[09:37] <and471> actually, removing from universe
[09:46] <tumbleweed> and471: write a bug requesting it's removal, and showing it has no rdepends. Link to the appropriate debian bug if it was removed there too. Subscribe ubuntu-archive.
[09:47] <and471> ok thanks
[10:00] <bilalakhtar> hi tumbleweed, for that keurocalc merge the other day do you think it was good from my part (after ignoring the forwarding to debian problem) ?
[10:02] <and471> tumbleweed, thanks for the merge yesterday :)
[10:07] <tumbleweed> bilalakhtar: I remember no issues :) and471: np
[10:08] <bilalakhtar> tumbleweed: ah, ok. I am extra-careful about such stuff nowadays, since every thing counts once you get closer towards MOTU :)
[10:18] <vish> bilalakhtar: looks like the gps drive is looking for someone to maintain it.. what we have in archive is pretty old outdated package, interested?  ;)
[10:18] <bilalakhtar> vish: is it orphaned? ME TO THE RESque!
[10:19] <bilalakhtar> vish: I wanted to maintain it for a long time, but the maintainer didn't announce it to be orphaned
[10:19] <vish> bilalakhtar: its in the comments in one of the reports you pointed out.
[10:19] <vish> bilalakhtar: not orphaned, but seems maintainer is MIA.
[10:19] <bilalakhtar> vish: MIA?
[10:19] <and471> missing in action
[10:19] <vish> which might be orphaned , but not official
[10:20] <vish> bilalakhtar: ^
[10:20] <bilalakhtar> ok
[10:20] <bilalakhtar> vish: it isn't orphaned, but I will put up an RFA
[10:21]  * bilalakhtar fires up reportbug
[10:22] <bilalakhtar> it appears that I will need to contact the maintainer
[10:22]  * bilalakhtar joins #debian-qa on irc.oftc.net
[10:25] <and471> bilalakhtar, what are the advantages of being a contributing dev?
[10:25] <bilalakhtar> and471: the only advantage is that you get ubuntu membership the easy way!
[10:25] <and471> bilalakhtar, vish has just recommended that I become one, but since you have just become one I thought I'd ask you :)
[10:25] <and471> hehe
[10:25] <bilalakhtar> and471: How many packages have you uploaded?
[10:25]  * and471 starts counting
[10:25] <bilalakhtar> and471: did you ever work on merges/syncs?
[10:26] <vish> and471: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BilalAkhtar/ContributingDeveloperApplication  this was app
[10:26] <vish> i
[10:26] <and471> bilalakhtar, no not really, mostly fixes for 100 papercuts
[10:26] <vish> and471: what about Software center? ;)
[10:26] <and471> vish, oh yeah and that :)
[10:26]  * bilalakhtar looks at and471 's lp profile
[10:28] <bilalakhtar> and471: what did you do about s-c ?
[10:28] <vish> and471: this is the wiki : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Ubuntu%20Contributing%20Developers  just thought you might qualify.. [but i'm not dmb though] ;p
[10:28] <and471> bilalakhtar, I have just been heavily involved in its development
[10:28] <bilalakhtar> and471: ah, that would help
[10:29] <and471> vish, no problem, I am glad you recommended it or I never even would have thought about it
[10:29] <vish> np.. :)
[10:30] <and471> vish, bilalakhtar, I think the problem is I haven't done any sync/merges
[10:30] <and471> (to be honest I couldn't define either)
[10:30] <and471> maybe if I can get a few of them under my belt, I could apply
[10:31] <bilalakhtar_> yes I am here, and471 and vish
[10:31] <and471> bilalakhtar_, clone...
[10:31] <bilalakhtar_> actually I got disconnected, so had to reconnect
[10:31] <bilalakhtar_> let bilalakhtar go down, then I will change nick
[10:32] <bilalakhtar_> and471: I was going to tell you, merging/syncing from Debian is the most common task in development (ubuntu). It might be a bit difficult to become UUC without it, but I cannot say anything, for sure
[10:33] <and471> no you are right, I did to do some of them
[10:34]  * bilalakhtar has to switch WiFi networks now, will be back in a few seconds
[10:34] <ari-tczew> and471: do you want to become as UUC?
[10:34] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: yes
[10:34] <and471> ari-tczew, that is a question I need to ask :)
[10:35] <ari-tczew> and471: could I see your LP and wiki page?
[10:35] <and471> ari-tczew, vish recommended it and I just wanted to first find a little bit more about it
[10:35] <bilalakhtar> and471: BTW, I never uploaded a package outside Maverick
[10:35] <and471> ari-tczew, sure launchpad.net/~and471
[10:35] <bilalakhtar> and471: which means that I got involved in development too early
[10:36] <bilalakhtar> and471: its your choice, but I would recommend you to apply once you have crossed 10 uploads
[10:36] <and471> bilalakhtar, cool thanks for the advice :)
[10:36] <vish> ari-tczew: and471 has been working on Software center for a very very long time, ever since it was released , and i have seen him do work on a few other packages too.. so i just suggested it might be something he could try for :)
[10:37] <bilalakhtar> and471: BTW, do you remember me poking you up for porting Wasiliana to python?
[10:37] <and471> vish, I was working on it before you were called vish...
[10:37] <vish> and471: ;p
[10:37] <bilalakhtar> hehe
[10:37] <and471> bilalakhtar, nope, but I probably have a bad memory
[10:37]  * bilalakhtar switches networks
[10:38] <and471> bilalakhtar, wasiliana is not really being worked on at the moment, I am trying to get kazam ready for a release and that is being a bit slow as well
[10:39] <ari-tczew> and471, vish, bilalakhtar: there is no stricte bareer like "minimum 10 packages uploaded", just minimum work for Ubuntu. I didn't remember your work (personally).
[10:39] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: I just recommended it to him
[10:39] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: I know that there is no strict barrier
[10:39] <and471> ari-tczew, yeah, but I think I need to do some syncs/merges before I apply
[10:39] <bilalakhtar> BTW, coolbhavi got rejected from MOTU even after uploading 900+ packages!
[10:40] <ari-tczew> and471: you have to create a wiki page if you want apply as UUC
[10:40] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: he is just thinking about applying
[10:40] <ari-tczew> and471, bilalakhtar: even so, it's require to get some comments from sponsors
[10:40] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: hey, how do you people get so many packages uploaded! (joking) Did you hack or something? You have so many uploads!
[10:41] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BilalAkhtar/ContributingDeveloperApplication was my application
[10:41] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: just working
[10:42]  * persia notes that nobody is ever rejected from MOTU: applications are just deferred
[10:42] <ari-tczew> and471: I propose to fix security issues or even testing proposed patches :)
[10:42] <vish> persia: hey! :)
[10:42] <and471> bilalakhtar, did you have to ask people to comment on it, or does it just happend?
[10:42] <and471> ari-tczew, cool thanks
[10:42] <bilalakhtar> persia: ah ok if I used the wrong word, but what happened with coolbhavi's application and the e-mail votes?
[10:42] <bilalakhtar> and471: you need to manually poke the people to comment
[10:43] <and471> ok
[10:43] <bilalakhtar> and471: I had poked 6 people, but only 3 commented
[10:43] <and471> vish, well hopefully with those two bugs I just managed, I can get two syncs
[10:43] <persia> bilalakhtar, In process.  Results will be annonced later.
[10:43] <and471> if debian are not slow about it again
[10:44] <bilalakhtar> one thing I don't like about Debian is that NMUs get sponsored very slowly
[10:44] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: bhavi's case is sad, but he could include people's changes to debian/changelog and everything will be allright
[10:44] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: that was a very small error
[10:45] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: well, that taught all of us a lesson
[10:45] <bilalakhtar> always thank people for patches in debian/changelog
[10:45] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: I don't think so, because there are people which were affected by his problem
[10:47] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: will you attend th e
[10:47] <and471> anyway thanks for all of your guys' advice/help/jokes :)
[10:47] <bilalakhtar> (continuation) next meeting
[10:47] <bilalakhtar> ?
[10:47] <and471> I'm gonna go now
[10:47] <and471> see ya
[10:47] <bilalakhtar> bye and471
[10:47] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: I don't understand
[10:47] <bilalakhtar> ari-tczew: will you attend the next meeting?
[10:48] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: as you can see on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda, yes
[10:50] <ari-tczew> and there is a question of free time, because 17th Aug I've been working in hours UTC 8:00 - 16:00 +1 hours for come back to home, so I was too late on channel.
[12:05] <cjwatson> Rhonda: I did tell you who it was - Brad Marshall
[13:16] <Rhonda> Oh, then I missed that part, thanks.
[13:31] <AnAnt> Hello
[13:32] <ari-tczew> helo AnAnt
[13:42] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: could you review again bug 583280 ?
[13:44] <ari-tczew> now sponsors step is first before SRU team review
[13:46] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: so, do you think that debdiff is ready for SRU? I see two small issues
[13:47] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: so I have to look into debdiff :P
[13:48] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: 1: run update-maintainer and 2: include lp: # in debian/changelog
[13:49] <ari-tczew> no subscribed ubuntu-sponsors in bug :P
[13:49] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: yes to all of those. but two issues in this line: mtd-utils (20090606-1ubuntu1) lucid; urgency=low
[13:50] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: s/lucid/lucid-proposed
[13:50] <tumbleweed> yup
[13:51] <ari-tczew> s/20090606-1ubuntu1/20090606-1ubuntu0.1
[13:51] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: ^^
[13:51] <tumbleweed> almost there
[13:51] <tumbleweed> hint:
[13:51] <tumbleweed>  mtd-utils | 20090606-1 | karmic/universe | source, amd64, i386
[13:51] <tumbleweed>  mtd-utils | 20090606-1 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, i386
[13:52] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: point 4: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[13:54] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: and?
[13:55] <tumbleweed> karmic and lucid have the same version number. 20090606-1ubuntu0.1 in lucid would not allow us to SRU karmic
[13:56] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: why not?
[13:57] <tumbleweed> well, what version number would we use to SRU to kramic?
[13:58] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: 20090606-1ubuntu-9.10
[13:59] <tumbleweed> we try to never have two hyphens in a version, it confuses some things
[13:59] <tumbleweed> anyway, if you follow th elink from point 4, you'll get here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging
[13:59] <tumbleweed> which has this recommended scheme:
[13:59] <tumbleweed> 2.0-2 in two releases         2.0-2ubuntu0.5.04.1 and 2.0-2ubuntu0.5.10.1
[14:00] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: so he must repair his debdiff
[14:01] <tumbleweed> you know everything that needs to be done now, feel free to propose a debdiff
[14:08] <ari-tczew> I'll do that, but later
[14:08] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: do you mean attach a fixed debdiff or suggest him to fix something?
[14:09] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: attach one
[14:10] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: sign by me?
[14:11] <tumbleweed> yes, nothing wrong with that if you are the one preparing it. It's normal to give credit to the patch author in the message.
[14:13] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: I'll add in debian/changelog a line:  [ Daniel J Blueman ] and below the change
[14:14] <tumbleweed> that works too
[14:14] <ari-tczew> bilalakhtar: that just Bhavani has got the problem with including other people in debian/changelog ^^
[15:47] <michas> Hi, not sure if I am absolutely on-topic, but do you know why the sun-java6-* packages where moved from multiverse to partner? Was there a large licence change or something?
[15:48] <sebner> michas: I guess because in theory openjdk is now equivalent to sun-java
[15:50] <sladen> michas: being superceded
[16:59] <SpamapS> Anyone know how to get requestsync to see that this package was uploaded to unstable: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gearman-interface.html ?
[16:59] <SpamapS> 0.13.2-1 is severely broken
[17:09] <geser> SpamapS: once LP or rmadison list it
[17:09] <geser> SpamapS: but you still have the option to file the sync request by hand, just copy the needed infomation into the bug
[17:18] <SpamapS> geser: whats rmadison ?
[17:18] <nigelb> SpamapS: its a tool (in devscripts)
[17:18] <nigelb> !info rmadison
[17:19] <nigelb> that's strange
[17:19] <nigelb> oh wait, it isn't a package
[17:19] <geser> nigelb: like you said, a tool in devscripts
[17:19] <geser> !info devscripts
[17:19] <geser> :)
[17:20] <SpamapS> ah Ok
[17:20] <SpamapS> so how does rmadison update itself?
[17:20] <nigelb> SpamapS: It queries the servers.
[17:20] <nigelb> geser: yeah, I was getting there :)
[17:21] <SpamapS> ok, I see that.. and it still has 0.13.2-1 .. odd
[17:21] <geser> it's only a frontend for a CGI page on the Debian servers which gets its information directly from a database
[17:22] <SpamapS> yeah I see that
[17:22] <SpamapS> weird that PTS has the new version, but madison does not
[17:22] <SpamapS> I'm probably just being too eager. the upload was only 24 hours ago
[17:22] <geser> which should usually be enough
[17:24] <SpamapS> Projectb snapshot from Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:18:06 +0000
[17:24] <SpamapS> not quite. ;)
[17:25] <SpamapS> Not sure how often that snapshot is updated.. but 2 days seems a long time. ;)
[17:26] <geser> dinstall runs nowadays 4 times a day in Debian IIRC
[17:27] <SpamapS> well I won't worry about it
[17:27] <SpamapS> I should be outside in the sun anyway, not syncing packages
[20:42] <simar> shadeslayer: heya !!! hows going on
[20:42] <shadeslayer> oh hey
[20:42] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:42] <shadeslayer> simar: long time no see :D
[20:42] <simar> shadeslayer: ya :D
[20:43] <simar> shadeslayer: I'm happy that you remember me..
[20:43] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:43] <simar> shadeslayer: I want to ask something, why doesn't the moto mentoring program respond??
[20:44] <shadeslayer> because its not active as of now?
[20:44] <simar> shadeslayer: :-((
[20:44] <simar> shadeslayer: oh, by the way hows you application for moto going on..
[20:44] <shadeslayer> yeah i know
[20:45] <shadeslayer> simar: ah.. right now im looking at some coding, not alot of packaging for universe
[20:45] <shadeslayer> but im involved with neon.. which takes up most of my packaging time :P
[20:47] <shadeslayer> one sec
[20:47] <simar> simar:  neon??
[20:48] <iulian> simar: The acronym is MOTU btw, not moto.
[20:48]  * iulian goes back to his cave.
[20:51] <simar> iulian: oh, my mistake.
[20:51] <simar> iulian: , typo
[20:53] <shadeslayer> simar: project neon
[20:53] <shadeslayer> basically aimed at providing nightly KDE builds
[20:53] <simar> shadeslayer: ok
[20:55] <simar> shadeslayer: now i can package better and i'm still a beginner to packaging.
[20:55] <shadeslayer> good to hear :D
[20:55] <shadeslayer> so basically its bug fixing time in maverick, you might want to look at the topic ;)
[20:56] <simar> shadeslayer: I hope you can guide me some better starting point (than FTBFS that i started at) for easy packaging..
[20:56] <simar> shadeslayer: I'm interested in bug fixing... let me see
[20:57] <shadeslayer> well.. your a bit late, else i could have told you how to do sync's and merge's as well
[20:57] <simar> shadeslayer: :-((
[20:59] <simar> shadeslayer: I can't see much interesting in topic.. what you were pointing at??
[20:59] <shadeslayer> same FTBFS :P
[20:59] <shadeslayer> and look at bugs.launchpad.net
[20:59] <shadeslayer> do we have a tag for packaging bugs?
[21:05] <simar> shadeslayer: ya FTBFS has taken a lot of my energy..
[21:06] <shadeslayer> whee
[21:06] <shadeslayer> archive open again
[21:06] <simar> shadeslayer: see this I have submitted some patch work https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kball/+bug/611867
[21:06] <simar> shadeslayer: I think i should start at 100 papercuts, may be..
[21:07] <shadeslayer> simar: good start
[21:07] <simar> shadeslayer: thanks for encouraging :-))
[21:08] <simar> shadeslayer: what about 100 papercuts
[21:08] <shadeslayer> simar: id say go for them ;)
[21:08] <shadeslayer> also look at operation cleansweep
[21:09] <simar> shadeslayer: ya I have heard both of them, I think i'll try to fit myself somewhere ..
[21:09] <simar> shadeslayer: thanks for you advice
[21:09] <simar> though
[21:09] <simar> :))
[21:09] <shadeslayer> simar: contact nigelb for operation cleansweep
[21:09]  * shadeslayer points nigelb to new minion 
[21:10] <simar> shadeslayer: ya i will, first i will read some wiki, though i have read some.. :))
[21:10] <shadeslayer> yeah operation cleansweep has a pretty small wiki
[21:11] <shadeslayer> just see if the patch is still applicable > use it with packaging > attach debdiff and ask a MOTU to review bug if its in universe
[21:11] <simar> ya, if we skip knowledge base part of it. ..lol
[21:12] <simar> shadeslayer: thanks for overview ..
[21:12] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:18] <simar> shadeslayer: ok, i think i should start right away .. once again thanks n good luck in coding .. :-))
[21:18] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[21:18] <shadeslayer> my patch is almost 90 % ready
[21:20] <simar> shadeslayer: good .. keep it going, c ya later
[21:20] <shadeslayer> cya
[22:22] <sistpoty> can anyone unsubscribe sponsors from bug #619709 please, as I seem to have lost the ability to do so during the merge of the sponsors teams.
[22:23] <tumbleweed> sistpoty: done
[22:24] <sistpoty> thanks tumbleweed
[22:31] <BlackZ> sistpoty: if you ACK a sync request, you should set the bug's status to "Confirmed"
[22:32] <sistpoty> BlackZ: ah, thanks for the hint
[23:05]  * RainCT wonders if anyone is familiar with libtextcat
[23:07] <RainCT> particularly on why libtextcat-data-utf8 won't let met install libtextcat0
[23:09] <sistpoty> RainCT: libtextcat0 depends on libtextcat-data, which conflicts with libtextcat-data-utf8
[23:10] <RainCT> sistpoty: yup, so why would that be?
[23:11] <sistpoty> RainCT: no idea... I'm not familiar with libtextcat :P
[23:11] <RainCT> It looks like libtextcat-data-utf8 is there only for OpenOffice.org, which from what I've read ships a bundled copy of libtextcat0
[23:12] <sistpoty> RainCT: my best guess is that both data files are meant to be interchangeable, just the mechanism was chosen wrongly
[23:13]  * RainCT tries what happens adding a Provides: libtextcat-data to -utf8
[23:14] <sistpoty> RainCT: I doubt it will work, since libtextcat-data is non-virtual... otoh, provides in conjunction with conflicts is so special, that I always forget the details. probably if you change the conflicts to libtextcat-data it might even work
[23:14] <RainCT> "openoffice.org-common conflicts with libtextcat-data   libtextcat-data-utf8 provides libtextcat-data and is to be installed.  dpkg: error"
[23:15] <RainCT> damn you dpkg :P
[23:15] <sistpoty> haha
[23:16] <sistpoty> RainCT: I think the self-conflicts of libtextcat-data-utf8 should be adjusted to libtextcat-data, maybe that makes dpkg happier :)
[23:18] <RainCT> OK, got it installed, giving libtextcat0 an alternative dependency on -utf8, and removing "Breaks: libtextdata0" from -utf8. Let's see if it works
[23:24] <sistpoty> RainCT: I think the traditional approach is to have both data packages provide one virtual package (both conflicting to it) and have the library depend on bestfitrealpackage | virtual-package (since that adds the least burden on apts dependency resolver)
[23:27] <sistpoty> Lutin: python-evas ftbfs (0.3.1+svn20091203-1), however 0.5.0+r49677-1 builds fine. Should we go for a sync? (I'm totally unfamiliar with the zhone stack)
[23:30] <RainCT> uhm, half of the sentences in langclass/ShortTexts/catalan.txt are in Spanish o.O
[23:31] <sistpoty> saludos! :)
[23:41] <RainCT> sistpoty: ok, the library works fine with the UTF-8 data, so I see no reasons why they should conflict
[23:42] <sistpoty> RainCT: probably it was just a not working approach to state that either data or data-utf8 would be needed
[23:43] <Lutin> sistpoty: oh yes, totally. that's my fault here - forgot that python-* was in ubuntu. you might want to sync python-ecore, -edje, -edbus and -elementary too
[23:44] <sistpoty> Lutin: thanks!
[23:45] <RainCT> oh, packages.ubuntu.com is being updated again?
[23:50] <sistpoty> RainCT: hm? works for me (though I still don't get screenshots *g*)
[23:50] <RainCT> last time I checked it didn't have maverick