=== fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta [08:18] Rhonda: *hugs* for getting packages.ubuntu.com working again :) [08:22] and now merges.ubuntu.com :) [08:47] nigelb: Well, thank elmo I would expect, or cjwatson who should at least know who did the final tweakings. [08:48] Rhonda: yes, but somone had to keep poking them :) [08:49] I guess I have to continue with that to make the screenshots appear anyway, people seem to like the idea, strangely enough. ;) [08:49] heh [08:50] busy at froscon btw. Anyone of the usual suspects here? [08:50] There is some ubuntu and kubuntu booth at least. [08:54] Berlin? dholbach maybe. [08:54] Oh, Bonn [09:23] jcastro: maye we can mention stack exchange in the installer itself! [09:23] argH! [09:23] wrong channel! [09:37] can anyone point me to some documentation on how to go about removing a package from main [09:37] actually, removing from universe [09:46] and471: write a bug requesting it's removal, and showing it has no rdepends. Link to the appropriate debian bug if it was removed there too. Subscribe ubuntu-archive. [09:47] ok thanks [10:00] hi tumbleweed, for that keurocalc merge the other day do you think it was good from my part (after ignoring the forwarding to debian problem) ? [10:02] tumbleweed, thanks for the merge yesterday :) [10:07] bilalakhtar: I remember no issues :) and471: np [10:08] tumbleweed: ah, ok. I am extra-careful about such stuff nowadays, since every thing counts once you get closer towards MOTU :) [10:18] bilalakhtar: looks like the gps drive is looking for someone to maintain it.. what we have in archive is pretty old outdated package, interested? ;) [10:18] vish: is it orphaned? ME TO THE RESque! [10:19] vish: I wanted to maintain it for a long time, but the maintainer didn't announce it to be orphaned [10:19] bilalakhtar: its in the comments in one of the reports you pointed out. [10:19] bilalakhtar: not orphaned, but seems maintainer is MIA. [10:19] vish: MIA? [10:19] missing in action [10:19] which might be orphaned , but not official [10:20] bilalakhtar: ^ [10:20] ok [10:20] vish: it isn't orphaned, but I will put up an RFA [10:21] * bilalakhtar fires up reportbug [10:22] it appears that I will need to contact the maintainer [10:22] * bilalakhtar joins #debian-qa on irc.oftc.net [10:25] bilalakhtar, what are the advantages of being a contributing dev? [10:25] and471: the only advantage is that you get ubuntu membership the easy way! [10:25] bilalakhtar, vish has just recommended that I become one, but since you have just become one I thought I'd ask you :) [10:25] hehe [10:25] and471: How many packages have you uploaded? [10:25] * and471 starts counting [10:25] and471: did you ever work on merges/syncs? [10:26] and471: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BilalAkhtar/ContributingDeveloperApplication this was app [10:26] i [10:26] bilalakhtar, no not really, mostly fixes for 100 papercuts [10:26] and471: what about Software center? ;) [10:26] vish, oh yeah and that :) [10:26] * bilalakhtar looks at and471 's lp profile [10:28] and471: what did you do about s-c ? [10:28] and471: this is the wiki : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Ubuntu%20Contributing%20Developers just thought you might qualify.. [but i'm not dmb though] ;p [10:28] bilalakhtar, I have just been heavily involved in its development [10:28] and471: ah, that would help [10:29] vish, no problem, I am glad you recommended it or I never even would have thought about it [10:29] np.. :) [10:30] vish, bilalakhtar, I think the problem is I haven't done any sync/merges [10:30] (to be honest I couldn't define either) [10:30] maybe if I can get a few of them under my belt, I could apply [10:31] yes I am here, and471 and vish [10:31] bilalakhtar_, clone... [10:31] actually I got disconnected, so had to reconnect [10:31] let bilalakhtar go down, then I will change nick [10:32] and471: I was going to tell you, merging/syncing from Debian is the most common task in development (ubuntu). It might be a bit difficult to become UUC without it, but I cannot say anything, for sure === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar [10:33] no you are right, I did to do some of them [10:34] * bilalakhtar has to switch WiFi networks now, will be back in a few seconds [10:34] and471: do you want to become as UUC? [10:34] ari-tczew: yes [10:34] ari-tczew, that is a question I need to ask :) [10:35] and471: could I see your LP and wiki page? [10:35] ari-tczew, vish recommended it and I just wanted to first find a little bit more about it [10:35] and471: BTW, I never uploaded a package outside Maverick [10:35] ari-tczew, sure launchpad.net/~and471 [10:35] and471: which means that I got involved in development too early [10:36] and471: its your choice, but I would recommend you to apply once you have crossed 10 uploads [10:36] bilalakhtar, cool thanks for the advice :) [10:36] ari-tczew: and471 has been working on Software center for a very very long time, ever since it was released , and i have seen him do work on a few other packages too.. so i just suggested it might be something he could try for :) [10:37] and471: BTW, do you remember me poking you up for porting Wasiliana to python? [10:37] vish, I was working on it before you were called vish... [10:37] and471: ;p [10:37] hehe [10:37] bilalakhtar, nope, but I probably have a bad memory [10:37] * bilalakhtar switches networks [10:38] bilalakhtar, wasiliana is not really being worked on at the moment, I am trying to get kazam ready for a release and that is being a bit slow as well [10:39] and471, vish, bilalakhtar: there is no stricte bareer like "minimum 10 packages uploaded", just minimum work for Ubuntu. I didn't remember your work (personally). [10:39] ari-tczew: I just recommended it to him [10:39] ari-tczew: I know that there is no strict barrier [10:39] ari-tczew, yeah, but I think I need to do some syncs/merges before I apply [10:39] BTW, coolbhavi got rejected from MOTU even after uploading 900+ packages! [10:40] and471: you have to create a wiki page if you want apply as UUC [10:40] ari-tczew: he is just thinking about applying [10:40] and471, bilalakhtar: even so, it's require to get some comments from sponsors [10:40] ari-tczew: hey, how do you people get so many packages uploaded! (joking) Did you hack or something? You have so many uploads! [10:41] ari-tczew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BilalAkhtar/ContributingDeveloperApplication was my application [10:41] bilalakhtar: just working [10:42] * persia notes that nobody is ever rejected from MOTU: applications are just deferred [10:42] and471: I propose to fix security issues or even testing proposed patches :) [10:42] persia: hey! :) [10:42] bilalakhtar, did you have to ask people to comment on it, or does it just happend? [10:42] ari-tczew, cool thanks [10:42] persia: ah ok if I used the wrong word, but what happened with coolbhavi's application and the e-mail votes? [10:42] and471: you need to manually poke the people to comment [10:43] ok [10:43] and471: I had poked 6 people, but only 3 commented [10:43] vish, well hopefully with those two bugs I just managed, I can get two syncs [10:43] bilalakhtar, In process. Results will be annonced later. [10:43] if debian are not slow about it again [10:44] one thing I don't like about Debian is that NMUs get sponsored very slowly [10:44] bilalakhtar: bhavi's case is sad, but he could include people's changes to debian/changelog and everything will be allright [10:44] ari-tczew: that was a very small error [10:45] ari-tczew: well, that taught all of us a lesson [10:45] always thank people for patches in debian/changelog [10:45] bilalakhtar: I don't think so, because there are people which were affected by his problem [10:47] ari-tczew: will you attend th e [10:47] anyway thanks for all of your guys' advice/help/jokes :) [10:47] (continuation) next meeting [10:47] ? [10:47] I'm gonna go now [10:47] see ya [10:47] bye and471 [10:47] bilalakhtar: I don't understand [10:47] ari-tczew: will you attend the next meeting? [10:48] bilalakhtar: as you can see on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda, yes [10:50] and there is a question of free time, because 17th Aug I've been working in hours UTC 8:00 - 16:00 +1 hours for come back to home, so I was too late on channel. [12:05] Rhonda: I did tell you who it was - Brad Marshall [13:16] Oh, then I missed that part, thanks. [13:31] Hello [13:32] helo AnAnt === fta_ is now known as fta [13:42] tumbleweed: could you review again bug 583280 ? [13:42] Launchpad bug 583280 in mtd-utils (Ubuntu Lucid) "nandwrite failing with IGEPv2 (OMAP 3430)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583280 [13:44] now sponsors step is first before SRU team review [13:46] ari-tczew: so, do you think that debdiff is ready for SRU? I see two small issues [13:47] tumbleweed: so I have to look into debdiff :P [13:48] tumbleweed: 1: run update-maintainer and 2: include lp: # in debian/changelog [13:49] no subscribed ubuntu-sponsors in bug :P [13:49] ari-tczew: yes to all of those. but two issues in this line: mtd-utils (20090606-1ubuntu1) lucid; urgency=low [13:50] tumbleweed: s/lucid/lucid-proposed [13:50] yup [13:51] s/20090606-1ubuntu1/20090606-1ubuntu0.1 [13:51] tumbleweed: ^^ [13:51] almost there [13:51] hint: [13:51] mtd-utils | 20090606-1 | karmic/universe | source, amd64, i386 [13:51] mtd-utils | 20090606-1 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, i386 [13:52] ari-tczew: point 4: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure === fta_ is now known as fta [13:54] tumbleweed: and? [13:55] karmic and lucid have the same version number. 20090606-1ubuntu0.1 in lucid would not allow us to SRU karmic [13:56] tumbleweed: why not? [13:57] well, what version number would we use to SRU to kramic? [13:58] tumbleweed: 20090606-1ubuntu-9.10 [13:59] we try to never have two hyphens in a version, it confuses some things [13:59] anyway, if you follow th elink from point 4, you'll get here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging [13:59] which has this recommended scheme: [13:59] 2.0-2 in two releases 2.0-2ubuntu0.5.04.1 and 2.0-2ubuntu0.5.10.1 [14:00] tumbleweed: so he must repair his debdiff [14:01] you know everything that needs to be done now, feel free to propose a debdiff [14:08] I'll do that, but later [14:08] tumbleweed: do you mean attach a fixed debdiff or suggest him to fix something? [14:09] ari-tczew: attach one [14:10] tumbleweed: sign by me? [14:11] yes, nothing wrong with that if you are the one preparing it. It's normal to give credit to the patch author in the message. [14:13] tumbleweed: I'll add in debian/changelog a line: [ Daniel J Blueman ] and below the change [14:14] that works too [14:14] bilalakhtar: that just Bhavani has got the problem with including other people in debian/changelog ^^ === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta [15:47] Hi, not sure if I am absolutely on-topic, but do you know why the sun-java6-* packages where moved from multiverse to partner? Was there a large licence change or something? [15:48] michas: I guess because in theory openjdk is now equivalent to sun-java === fta_ is now known as fta [15:50] michas: being superceded === fta_ is now known as fta [16:59] Anyone know how to get requestsync to see that this package was uploaded to unstable: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gearman-interface.html ? [16:59] 0.13.2-1 is severely broken === fta_ is now known as fta [17:09] SpamapS: once LP or rmadison list it [17:09] SpamapS: but you still have the option to file the sync request by hand, just copy the needed infomation into the bug [17:18] geser: whats rmadison ? [17:18] SpamapS: its a tool (in devscripts) [17:18] !info rmadison [17:18] Package rmadison does not exist in lucid [17:19] that's strange [17:19] oh wait, it isn't a package [17:19] nigelb: like you said, a tool in devscripts [17:19] !info devscripts [17:19] devscripts (source: devscripts): scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.61ubuntu5 (lucid), package size 578 kB, installed size 1724 kB [17:19] :) [17:20] ah Ok [17:20] so how does rmadison update itself? [17:20] SpamapS: It queries the servers. [17:20] geser: yeah, I was getting there :) [17:21] ok, I see that.. and it still has 0.13.2-1 .. odd [17:21] it's only a frontend for a CGI page on the Debian servers which gets its information directly from a database [17:22] yeah I see that [17:22] weird that PTS has the new version, but madison does not [17:22] I'm probably just being too eager. the upload was only 24 hours ago [17:22] which should usually be enough [17:24] Projectb snapshot from Thu, 19 Aug 2010 15:18:06 +0000 [17:24] not quite. ;) [17:25] Not sure how often that snapshot is updated.. but 2 days seems a long time. ;) [17:26] dinstall runs nowadays 4 times a day in Debian IIRC [17:27] well I won't worry about it [17:27] I should be outside in the sun anyway, not syncing packages === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === fta_ is now known as fta === Philip6 is now known as Philip5 === fta_ is now known as fta [20:42] shadeslayer: heya !!! hows going on [20:42] oh hey [20:42] :D [20:42] simar: long time no see :D [20:42] shadeslayer: ya :D [20:43] shadeslayer: I'm happy that you remember me.. [20:43] :) [20:43] shadeslayer: I want to ask something, why doesn't the moto mentoring program respond?? [20:44] because its not active as of now? [20:44] shadeslayer: :-(( [20:44] shadeslayer: oh, by the way hows you application for moto going on.. [20:44] yeah i know [20:45] simar: ah.. right now im looking at some coding, not alot of packaging for universe [20:45] but im involved with neon.. which takes up most of my packaging time :P [20:47] one sec [20:47] simar: neon?? [20:48] simar: The acronym is MOTU btw, not moto. [20:48] * iulian goes back to his cave. [20:51] iulian: oh, my mistake. [20:51] iulian: , typo [20:53] simar: project neon [20:53] basically aimed at providing nightly KDE builds [20:53] shadeslayer: ok [20:55] shadeslayer: now i can package better and i'm still a beginner to packaging. [20:55] good to hear :D [20:55] so basically its bug fixing time in maverick, you might want to look at the topic ;) [20:56] shadeslayer: I hope you can guide me some better starting point (than FTBFS that i started at) for easy packaging.. [20:56] shadeslayer: I'm interested in bug fixing... let me see [20:57] well.. your a bit late, else i could have told you how to do sync's and merge's as well [20:57] shadeslayer: :-(( [20:59] shadeslayer: I can't see much interesting in topic.. what you were pointing at?? [20:59] same FTBFS :P [20:59] and look at bugs.launchpad.net [20:59] do we have a tag for packaging bugs? === sladen changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Archive: Open | Maverick Feature Freeze in effect - Fix bugs | Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://is.gd/2y76G | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ | latest rebuild failures: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi [21:05] shadeslayer: ya FTBFS has taken a lot of my energy.. [21:06] whee [21:06] archive open again [21:06] shadeslayer: see this I have submitted some patch work https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kball/+bug/611867 [21:06] Launchpad bug 611867 in kball (Ubuntu) "FTBFS in maverick. Error: 'mkdir' was not declared in this scope" [Undecided,Fix released] [21:06] shadeslayer: I think i should start at 100 papercuts, may be.. [21:07] simar: good start [21:07] shadeslayer: thanks for encouraging :-)) [21:08] shadeslayer: what about 100 papercuts [21:08] simar: id say go for them ;) [21:08] also look at operation cleansweep [21:09] shadeslayer: ya I have heard both of them, I think i'll try to fit myself somewhere .. [21:09] shadeslayer: thanks for you advice [21:09] though [21:09] :)) [21:09] simar: contact nigelb for operation cleansweep [21:09] * shadeslayer points nigelb to new minion [21:10] shadeslayer: ya i will, first i will read some wiki, though i have read some.. :)) [21:10] yeah operation cleansweep has a pretty small wiki [21:11] just see if the patch is still applicable > use it with packaging > attach debdiff and ask a MOTU to review bug if its in universe [21:11] ya, if we skip knowledge base part of it. ..lol [21:12] shadeslayer: thanks for overview .. [21:12] :) [21:18] shadeslayer: ok, i think i should start right away .. once again thanks n good luck in coding .. :-)) [21:18] hehe :D [21:18] my patch is almost 90 % ready [21:20] shadeslayer: good .. keep it going, c ya later [21:20] cya [22:22] can anyone unsubscribe sponsors from bug #619709 please, as I seem to have lost the ability to do so during the merge of the sponsors teams. [22:23] Launchpad bug 619709 in javacc (Ubuntu) "Please sync javacc 5.0-4 (main) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619709 [22:23] sistpoty: done === fta_ is now known as fta [22:24] thanks tumbleweed [22:31] sistpoty: if you ACK a sync request, you should set the bug's status to "Confirmed" [22:32] BlackZ: ah, thanks for the hint [23:05] * RainCT wonders if anyone is familiar with libtextcat [23:07] particularly on why libtextcat-data-utf8 won't let met install libtextcat0 [23:09] RainCT: libtextcat0 depends on libtextcat-data, which conflicts with libtextcat-data-utf8 [23:10] sistpoty: yup, so why would that be? [23:11] RainCT: no idea... I'm not familiar with libtextcat :P [23:11] It looks like libtextcat-data-utf8 is there only for OpenOffice.org, which from what I've read ships a bundled copy of libtextcat0 [23:12] RainCT: my best guess is that both data files are meant to be interchangeable, just the mechanism was chosen wrongly [23:13] * RainCT tries what happens adding a Provides: libtextcat-data to -utf8 [23:14] RainCT: I doubt it will work, since libtextcat-data is non-virtual... otoh, provides in conjunction with conflicts is so special, that I always forget the details. probably if you change the conflicts to libtextcat-data it might even work [23:14] "openoffice.org-common conflicts with libtextcat-data libtextcat-data-utf8 provides libtextcat-data and is to be installed. dpkg: error" [23:15] damn you dpkg :P [23:15] haha [23:16] RainCT: I think the self-conflicts of libtextcat-data-utf8 should be adjusted to libtextcat-data, maybe that makes dpkg happier :) [23:18] OK, got it installed, giving libtextcat0 an alternative dependency on -utf8, and removing "Breaks: libtextdata0" from -utf8. Let's see if it works [23:24] RainCT: I think the traditional approach is to have both data packages provide one virtual package (both conflicting to it) and have the library depend on bestfitrealpackage | virtual-package (since that adds the least burden on apts dependency resolver) [23:27] Lutin: python-evas ftbfs (0.3.1+svn20091203-1), however 0.5.0+r49677-1 builds fine. Should we go for a sync? (I'm totally unfamiliar with the zhone stack) [23:30] uhm, half of the sentences in langclass/ShortTexts/catalan.txt are in Spanish o.O [23:31] saludos! :) === fta_ is now known as fta [23:41] sistpoty: ok, the library works fine with the UTF-8 data, so I see no reasons why they should conflict [23:42] RainCT: probably it was just a not working approach to state that either data or data-utf8 would be needed [23:43] sistpoty: oh yes, totally. that's my fault here - forgot that python-* was in ubuntu. you might want to sync python-ecore, -edje, -edbus and -elementary too [23:44] Lutin: thanks! [23:45] oh, packages.ubuntu.com is being updated again? [23:50] RainCT: hm? works for me (though I still don't get screenshots *g*) [23:50] last time I checked it didn't have maverick