[01:19] <its-me-again> hi all ops i se i am banned from #ubuntu i understand Y that is. I am sorry adn ask that i may be considered for an unban in future as i do have ubuntu on another computer i use so would like to come here for ubuntu only help. I have learnt my lesson. I dont mind being banned for a week or so.
[01:20] <its-me-again> I will not come here for another reason than ubuntu help when on that os
[01:27] <its-me-again> did sopmeone try to pm me
[01:28] <IdleOne> its-me-again: you are going to have to come back when ikonia is available.
[01:31] <its-me-again> i was baned for asking help while logged in to  linux mint chanel and ubuntu i think. asking same things. adn being on mint9
[01:31] <its-me-again> that is fair enough
[01:31] <its-me-again> i understand teh ban
[01:32] <its-me-again> i just need to come here for ubuntu help when i am actually using my ubuntu os
[01:33] <IdleOne> I understand that but I can not remove the ban, you will have to speak to ikonia about it and he does not seem to be active at the moment. you can try tomorrow right around the same time the ban was set
[01:33] <IdleOne> was 14:00 UTC
[01:34] <IdleOne> make that 15:00
[01:34] <bazhang> its-me-again, please come back later
[01:36] <IdleOne> oh sorry it wasn't utc
[01:37] <IdleOne> anyway bout 6 hours ago
[01:37] <bazhang> its-me-again, please dont idle here
[01:40] <bazhang> dirtbag256 is a known issue; Iam360 buzag crivit theeanomaly
[01:40] <IdleOne> yeah but he wasn't the issue in this case
[01:41] <IdleOne> or was he? /me reads further back
[01:41] <bazhang> his "advice" was suspect prior to this
[01:42] <IdleOne> I will be quiet and let you take care of it then :)
[01:42] <its-me-again> ok thanks for info i will check back later then i know that i may not be allowed in again.
[01:57] <bazhang> got him in PM. still the same old nonsense.
[03:17] <bazhang> thune3, hi
[03:17] <thune3> since i am not going to register, the question isn't !why, but when, or by what criteria, with the #ubuntu lockdown be lifted.
[03:18] <bazhang> thune3, as soon as we feel the spambot attacks have subsided and its wise to do so
[03:18] <bazhang> very  severe of late.
[03:19] <thune3> should I just for get about trying again until tomorrow, or is there any chance of a lifting in the next 6 hours?
[03:22] <thune3> just my 2c: I think that a lockdown not only puts off the paranoid (like me), but also new ubuntu users who may have a casual question. Lockdowns of more than 1-2 hours are extreme and should be carefully evaluated. That's all, good luck.
[03:24] <bazhang> somehow his IP got reset and he was able to get around the mute.
[03:41] <rww> -!- hehehe [~DirtBAG22@92.251.185.4.threembb.ie] has joined #ubuntu-unregged
[03:41] <rww> banevasion attempt ^^^
[03:45] <bazhang> rww, nice catch
[03:45] <rww> thanks :)
[03:46] <bazhang> why do I have ops in that channel?
[03:47] <rww> all the #ubuntu ops do
[03:47] <bazhang> so the people in there should surely be able to get voice in here
[03:47] <rww> plus some crazy people like me that shouldn't be allowed to operate an eggtimer (:
[03:47] <bazhang> ie the people who have ops there
[03:47] <rww> (thanks to the ubuntu member cloak)
[03:47] <bazhang> you have ops in -women though iirc
[03:48] <rww> yeah. if -women were a core channel, my life would be a little easier. but it's not, and it makes sense that it's not, so...
[03:48] <bazhang> you in -ops-monitor as well?
[03:48] <rww> ubuntu member cloak again
[03:49] <rww> also why I have ops in irc, read topic, proxy users...
[03:49] <bazhang> yeah you're in there.
[03:49] <bazhang> well some channels are more equal than others I guess.
[03:51] <bazhang> still at it
[03:51] <rww> time they spend figuring out #ubuntu-unregged is time they can't spend being clever and getting into #ubuntu (:
[03:52] <bazhang> heh
[03:53] <bazhang> hehehe (~DirtBAG22@92.251.185.4.threembb.ie third time now after the latest ban
[03:53] <rww> I'm going afk and thus /parting. ttyl
[03:53] <rww> indeed
[04:24] <bazhang> bobdroid appears to have a clone, or the other way round
[04:58] <Flannel> Sigh.
[04:59] <ryaxnb> ive been abused on #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:00] <ryaxnb> someone has banned me for no reason at all with no violation of guidelines.
[05:00] <ryaxnb> and no rule-breaking, nada.
[05:00] <ryaxnb> Flannel, please explain.
[05:01] <ryaxnb> hello?
[05:02] <Flannel> ryaxnb: While I was discussing your 15-minute quiet in query with you, it became apparent to me that you would continue to cause a disruption in #ubuntu-offtopic, so I removed that temptation from you.
[05:02] <ryaxnb> :/
[05:02] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i already promised i would not monologue.
[05:02] <ryaxnb> and what exactly is a disruption?
[05:03] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i have made every effort to cooperate with you.
[05:03] <Flannel> ryaxnb: No one cares about flashlights, no one was discussing flashlights.  I never thought this would be possible, but you actually disrupted your own topic (about iphones vs droids) with a flashlight image.
[05:03] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i will continue to make every effort to cooperate with you.
[05:04] <Flannel> ryaxnb: I appreciate that.
[05:04] <ryaxnb> Flannel, now, you need to talk about exactly what rule or principle of the channel i violated.
[05:05] <ryaxnb> any other ops can join in too.
[05:06] <ryaxnb> and i was being perfectly mature for the most part, i got frusturated for a bit because frankly, i still dont understand what rule i violated and youre ban message says "you should now better" but i really dont.
[05:06] <ryaxnb> i apologize for that.
[05:06] <Flannel> ryaxnb: Please come back in 24 hours and we can have this discussion.  I think we'll have a more productive discussion after you've had some time away from the situation to reflect.
[05:06] <ryaxnb> Flannel, this is not going to work if you treat me like this.
[05:07] <Flannel> ryaxnb: For the record, "you should know better" is just the default message in the script I use.  That wasn't conscious on my part.
[05:08] <ryaxnb> Flannel, monologuing was a mistake. however, i wasnt aware that it was against the rules, i should apologize for monologuing and i will now.
[05:08] <Flannel> ryaxnb: As I said before, let's have this very same discussion tomorrow.
[05:09] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i will not accept that, simply because i am very calm right now.
[05:09] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i understand what i did was a mistake.
[05:11] <ryaxnb> Flannel, i cant be any more calm then this. if you base your opinion of my atitude on my inappropiate comment in my PM, youre misreading me
[05:12] <ryaxnb> :)
[05:12] <ryaxnb> what makes you think i am not calm now?
[05:12] <ryaxnb> because for the record, i have admitted my mistake, apologized for it, and am ready to talk about it.
[05:13] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: Please come back in 24 hours.
[05:13] <ryaxnb> IdleOne, you need to explain this...
[05:13] <IdleOne> ok
[05:13] <Flannel> ryaxnb: I've already said, I don't feel comfortable discussing it until tomorrow.
[05:13] <IdleOne> there you go ^^^
[05:14] <ryaxnb> i would love to know why.
[05:14] <bazhang> ryaxnb, please come back in 24hrs
[05:14] <ryaxnb> there is absolutely no way i will be calmer tommorow, and your job as an op is to resolve disputes as efficently as possible.
[05:14] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: you continuing to try and discuss this with Flannel when he has said 3-4 times now that you will have to come back tomorrow is only going to aggravate the situation
[05:15] <ryaxnb> IdleOne, i am aware of that.
[05:15] <IdleOne> so stop now
[05:15] <IdleOne> come back tomorrow
[05:15] <IdleOne> :)
[05:15] <bazhang> there is no "on demand"
[05:15] <IdleOne> have a good night
[05:15] <Flannel> ryaxnb: From my (and others') experience, things work out better if there's some time before the discussion
[05:15] <ryaxnb> at this point, i must stand up for myself, because no one has told me what rule i violated, and its only fair i know
[05:16] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: the common sense rule that is in the /topic
[05:16] <IdleOne> common sense says: Don't talk to yourself in front of a crowd of people.
[05:16] <ryaxnb> last i checked, many many people were responding.
[05:16] <IdleOne> you do it a lot. Now please come back tomorrow
[05:16] <Flannel> ryaxnb: I already said when you came in: it became apparent to me that you would continue to be disruptive in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:17] <ryaxnb> why?
[05:17] <Flannel> ryaxnb: Tomorrow.
[05:17] <ryaxnb> basically, im not going to let go.
[05:17] <ryaxnb> it is simply not fair to you or me to continue this way
[05:17] <Flannel> ryaxnb: then we're at an impasse.
[05:17] <maco> because this is at least the 3rd time ive seen you just go off on a tangent and clog up the channel with random chatter, and i dont even pay close attention to that channel so its probably happened even more times
[05:18] <maco> you're a serial offender
[05:18] <ryaxnb> maco, i have never gotten any warning before this :/
[05:18] <ryaxnb> so i didnt know it was an issue :/
[05:18] <bazhang> many complaints
[05:18] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: I have made comments about your monologues
[05:18] <ryaxnb> never an official warning, so i had no idea.
[05:18] <bazhang> official?
[05:18] <IdleOne> why does everything have to be "official"?
[05:19] <ryaxnb> i treat you as chat participlants... i imagine most do.
[05:19] <maco> do we need it in writing with a notary now?
[05:19] <bazhang> any one in there can say they hope you stop
[05:19] <ryaxnb> when you complain, its like atomicspark complaining.
[05:19] <ryaxnb> its feedback i attempt to use.
[05:19] <ryaxnb> not a warning.
[05:19] <ryaxnb> :)
[05:19] <IdleOne> Jordan_U: be with you ina minute
[05:20] <Flannel> ryaxnb: I will not be responding to anything else from you until tomorrow.  I recommend that everyone else here do the same.  You're not making it any better by being pushy here.
[05:21] <ryaxnb> im not being pushy, you are.
[05:21] <Jordan_U> Was just going to mention that tangentcollision in #ubuntu might be a troll, but I think that's less likely from his more recent posts.
[05:21] <ryaxnb> you are requiring me to wait for something i did not even know i was doing .
[05:22] <ryaxnb> anyway, the bottom line is this: i had NO IDEA this was  a problem until now, and suddenly, during a minor incident, in which at least one other person was discussing it with me, you ban me out of the blue.
[05:23] <ryaxnb> that is out-of-line, in my opinion.
[05:23] <Flannel> !appeals
[05:24] <ryaxnb> frankly, i am not appealing.
[05:24] <bazhang> ryaxnb, please /part
[05:24] <ryaxnb> i am going to visit here often until this is resolved to my satisfaction.
[05:24] <IdleOne> ryaxnb: part now before you get banned from here also
[05:25] <ryaxnb> you are being unresponsible ops and your answer is to kick me? that is unfair to say the least.
[05:31] <ryaxnb> funkyHat, answer me now,.
[05:32] <bazhang> ryaxnb, its been five minutes
[05:32] <ryaxnb> there is simply no way this is fair.
[05:32] <ryaxnb> i know that :)
[05:32] <bazhang> come back in 24 hrs
[05:32] <ryaxnb> is that the party line now?
[05:32] <bazhang> ?
[05:33] <Flannel> "Mom, can I borrow the car?" No.  "Dad, Can I borrow the car?"
[06:19]  * mneptok backs over a flashlight and a smartphone
[07:51] <elky> He's correct though. His attitude isn't at all appealing.
[12:33] <lhavelund> hasn't that gone on for long enough, gord, bazhang, topyli?
[12:33] <bazhang> lhavelund, I'd have kicked him by now
[12:34] <lhavelund> as would I :P
[12:34] <gord> eh, annoying guy, he's not doing anything wrong though
[12:34] <bazhang> which is why I should never be op in there
[12:35] <lhavelund> gord: disrupting channel flow. *shrug*
[12:41] <topyli> for the record, he is now spouting offences and threats in pm
[12:42] <bazhang> quelle surprise
[12:43] <topyli> aye
[14:11] <bazhang> xev?
[14:12] <bazhang> or was that for a joystick
[14:17] <ikonia> bazhang: let him hang himself
[14:18] <bazhang> ikonia, he just pasted a whole foul stream about it in another channel. just giving him some leeway/rope
[14:18] <ikonia> ooh really ? where
[14:19] <ikonia> archlinux-offtopic ?
[14:19] <ikonia> just read him bragging about how he's trolling the channel
[14:19] <ikonia> enough
[14:21] <bazhang> ##windows actually but yeah
[14:21] <bazhang> oddly enough, he just PM'd me before being removed
[14:21] <ikonia> seem him doing it in ##windows too
[14:21] <ikonia> time to get in touch with the archlinux ops again :(
[14:23] <ikonia> didn't we create a relationship with the archlinux ops recently (last 6 months)?
[14:23] <bazhang> year or so ago
[14:23] <ikonia> but they are active in stopping that sort of thing aren't they now ?
[14:24] <bazhang> very
[14:29] <ikonia> ops in arch-offtopic are sorting him out
[14:29] <bazhang> nice, thanks
[14:30] <ikonia> caleb seems pretty solid and easy to work wtih
[14:30] <ikonia> with
[14:41] <IdleOne> that andrew is either extremely new to linux or is trolling
[14:43] <bazhang> he has schizophrenia so cant read links, or so he says
[14:43] <ikonia> that's not acceptable
[14:43] <ikonia> acceptible
[14:44] <bazhang> right the frist time!
[14:44] <bazhang> err first
[14:44] <ikonia> good
[14:45] <bazhang> time for a ban forward here imo
[14:45] <ikonia> he won't be back
[14:45] <IdleOne> yup
[14:45] <ikonia> he's known
[14:45] <bazhang> grimmvarg
[14:46] <bazhang> so dont bother?
[14:47] <ikonia> not for me, no
[14:59] <ikonia> phew, deoped idoru before it killed him
[15:00] <bazhang> idoru usually ops then deops in those situations, but never can be too careful
[15:00] <ikonia> I've seen it kill many users
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[15:08] <bazhang> unacceptable imo
[15:08] <ikonia> fine
[15:08] <ikonia> he was causing an issue before that
[15:17] <bazhang> very family unfriendly quit message by thewizord in -ot
[15:18] <ikonia> ban him, he's known troll and has enough warnings
[15:18] <ikonia> I'll do it
[15:19] <bazhang> arch troll?
[15:19] <jpds> Kind of like archenemy
[15:19] <bazhang> hehe
[15:20] <ikonia> archlinux-offtopic troll of days gone by
[18:19] <ikonia> ilovefairuz is dangerous telling very dubious questions
[18:19] <ikonia> responses to questions
[19:45] <funkyHat> @mark #ubuntu-offotpic Nece228 I have told Nece228 to join #ubuntu-ops in a week's time to discuss the removal of his ban
[19:45] <funkyHat> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Nece228 I have told Nece228 to join #ubuntu-ops in a week's time to discuss the removal of his ban
[22:23] <ikonia> I'm going to remove john-smith (jungli) from ubuntu as he has again tried to evade the ban in #ubuntu-offtopic despite being told he's still banned
[22:25] <ikonia> Bryanstein: are you awake ?
[22:26] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic john-smith jungli ban dodging