[00:29] ScottK: KMymoney wont be uploaded till squeeze is out, and will be uploaded only to sid [00:30] so we either wait or package our own version [00:52] shadeslayer: I have kmm in my ppa, but somehow it didn't detect aqbanking so those outside of US can't do online banking with my 4.5 pkg :( [00:52] hmm [00:52] claydoh: kmm team is pushing for a exception in debian [00:52] plus my pkg skillz are almost nil, but I could work on one with more study and training :) [00:53] claydoh: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=kmymoney << my package [00:54] I just noticed that, trying to see what Debian pkg was available :) [00:55] ;) [00:56] claydoh: since the package had no ubuntu changes, i proceded the old debian->ubuntu way [00:57] im off for a bit... will be back in a hour with koffice package hopefully [00:57] shadeslayer:and that process I don't understand fully :) [00:57] claydoh: hehe :P [00:57] me neither... but i usually ask people @ debian-qt-kde [00:57] on OFTC ;) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [04:10] Riddell: new koffice packages uploading to https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [08:53] * jussi waves to raddy [08:53] Hello Everybody [08:54] I am using KDE 4.5 pack ported packages in Lynx [08:54] raddy: it is sunday morning though, so there may be some delay in getting an answer [08:54] jussi: What your time zone? [08:54] raddy: gmt+2 [08:55] ohh ok [08:55] ie. most of europe [08:58] raddy: please do ask your question though [08:59] ok, fine [08:59] I am using KDE 4.5 back-ported packages in Lucid Lynx/ [09:00] I found that i am not able to use Voice and Video capability in Kopete on Jabber protocol. [09:01] The feature is added in 4.4 version of KDE it self, and the feature appears to be available in Maverick. [09:02] After lot of research, i came to the conclusion that the Back-ported packages may not have compiled with Jabber Voice and Video support. [09:02] Can anybody cross-check my findings? [09:20] Anybody there? [09:26] raddy, I think most of the europeans are just getting up [09:26] and the Americans are in bed [09:27] oic [09:27] except shadeslayer [09:27] hehe :P [09:27] ;-) [09:28] * shadeslayer has +5.30 time zone [09:28] so.. [09:28] India? [09:28] raddy: bug 509772 [09:28] Launchpad bug 509772 in kdenetwork (Ubuntu) "Build Kopete with Google Talk voice call support" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509772 [09:28] valorie: yeah :) [09:28] cool! [09:29] ... and humid..... [09:30] raddy: so, in lucid we do not build with google call support [09:30] BUT [09:30] raddy: if you have chrome/firefox/iceweasel use : http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/use-linux-now-you-can-video-chat-too.html [09:31] we still dont have video support in kopete.... but ^ does the trick nicely [09:31] shadeslayer: But someone has already built a Kopete version with Voice and Video support. [09:31] raddy: yes in maverick we have voice support [09:31] video support.... i have no idea if google allows that [09:32] it should be possible, but maybe google blocks other clients or such... no idea [09:32] Riddell: oh, 3rd party documention... I like that ^^ [09:33] shadeslayer: Google allows that. Empathy already supports that with the help of telepathy. [09:33] why this link not working, https://launchpad.net/~pali.rohar/+archive/ppa [09:33] Can anybody point me to the correct location? [09:33] apachelogger: quick question, i need to patch kopete such that when started it prompts for installation of gcall binary [09:33] * shadeslayer looks [09:34] you know [09:34] I really think [09:34] it should only prompt [09:34] once the user configured a jabber account to talk.google.com [09:34] OR already has one [09:34] raddy: https://edge.launchpad.net/~pali/+archive/pali [09:35] but it has SVN version [09:35] and not generally assume that people can/want to use gcall [09:35] so it _might_ have telepathy integration [09:35] shadeslayer: in either case just take a look at kdebase's konqueror flash patch [09:35] alright [09:37] apachelogger: if your free please upload koffice from my ppa [09:37] https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental [09:38] Is there any plans to backport Maverick Kopete pages?? [09:38] packages? [09:44] hmm [09:52] wth.. i cant pull-debian-source from experimental :S [10:04] shadeslayer: I am afraid the connection here does not really qualify for uploads of that large a monster [10:04] Hello Everybody [10:05] Is it possible to install compiz-kde package in KDE 4.5x back port? [10:21] apachelogger: :P [10:21] 53 MB is huge? :D [10:30] shadeslayer: yus [10:31] whats your upload speed? :P [10:41] Is it possible to install compiz-kde package in kde 4.5 back port? [10:41] It appears not possible. [10:43] raddy: if it appears not possible then it is possibly not possible [10:43] also I think we saw it the first time you asked [10:45] apachelogger: hi :D [10:45] yo ofirk [10:45] congratulations on the UbuntuOne KDE client :) [10:45] it is looking very nice [10:50] we (website team) are working on a section in the website which lists featured project [10:51] apachelogger: we want to list this project [10:51] I understand that you are looking after a new maintainer for the project ... [10:51] but at the meantime could you open a category that will contain all UbuntuOne KDE posts so we can easily link to them? [10:51] ofirk: yeah, I would not list it there until someone is found [10:51] ofirk: a category where? [10:51] apachelogger: in your blog [10:52] http://en.wordpress.com/tag/ubuntuone/ [10:52] oh that is global [10:52] so it will function as a temporary project website [10:52] http://apachelog.wordpress.com/category/ubuntuone/ [10:53] oh, great! [10:53] apachelogger: thanks :) [10:55] apachelogger: how did you make this graph? http://apachelog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ubuntuone-kde-graph3.png [10:57] inkscapey [10:58] thanks [11:13] So compiz kde not yet compiled against kde 4.5? [12:14] is lex on a really really long holiday? :P === yofel_ is now known as yofel === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu and KNR 10.04.1 released | Maverick Feature Freeze in Place | Kubuntu, making your PC friendly | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [13:00] http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/ubuntu-one-the-kde-way/#comment-377 [13:00] I wonder if I should even comment on that [13:20] morning [13:20] apachelogger: you wanted to talk about your project? [13:20] morning Riddell [13:20] Riddell: yes, the mail from gsoc team suggested that we talk a bit about it :) [13:21] Riddell: anything worth noting about my evaluation? [13:21] apachelogger: give me 15 mins to read over your blogs [13:21] Riddell: sure [13:22] * apachelogger is writing on another one right now about interesting bits on KCMs ;) [13:32] \o/ [13:32] ooh you made digitizor http://digitizor.com/2010/08/20/the-ubuntuone-kde-client-enters-alpha-installation-instruction/ [13:34] is that good? ^^ [13:34] nice [13:34] hmmmmm [13:47] apachelogger: so, were you pleased with your project? [13:48] Riddell: pretty much, though I think we could have made it more interesting to the user and the press by doing the Akonadi integration [13:49] but the way we did it there is a good base to continue GUI implementations on (if I find a maintainer) [13:50] how did you find out about the technical requirements? [13:53] Riddell: mostly trial and error and looking at the code of the GNOME implemention [13:54] real documentation is sparse [13:55] did you have much communication with the upstream developers? [13:57] upstream probably the wrong word there. the canonical OLS team [13:59] [14:00:00] http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/ubuntu-one-the-kde-way/#comment-377 [13:59] [14:00:09] I wonder if I should even comment on that [13:59] ^ you can start by telling the clueless guy that google did also pay for an owncloud project [14:01] Riddell: please upload koffice ... [14:01] Riddell: not a whole lot, also since they have no mailing list I am afraid some information got lost in IRC logs [14:02] like apparently the responsible people of ubuntu-sso-client did not know about my Qt implementation until like a month ago or so [14:03] Nightrose: good idea, I think I will also end it there ... I do not really feel like defending Google or Canonical yet again... [14:04] yea [14:04] apachelogger: how could upstream work better with community projects such as this? [14:04] bad use of upstream again [14:04] Nightrose: btw, do you happen to know what came out of owncloud? I know of two implementions but both not really mature [14:05] apachelogger: sandsmark completed it sucessfully and there are two SoK students still working on owncloud [14:05] for details you'll need to ask them [14:06] Riddell: I think mailing list && communication via that mailing list rather than internally would help a lot ... from my POV most of the things that are going on in ubuntuone seem totally opaque, especially if you are not following the code branches [14:06] I did not know that ubuntu-sso-client is getting real GUI implementations to eliminate the need of a web browser for the authentication process [14:07] apachelogger: do you plan to come to UDS? it would be good to have a meeting about that kind of stuff with them [14:07] Riddell: I do, question is if I can :) [14:10] they're going to announce opening of sponsorship requests in a few days [14:10] I know what a d pointer is, what's a q pointer? [14:13] Riddell: the other part [14:13] d goes from public to private [14:13] and q from private to public [14:15] here the private class calls statusChanged of the public class -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/libs/SyncDaemon.cpp#L76 [14:15] via the q ptr [14:19] apachelogger: how do you search for a function in qtcreator? [14:19] like in kdevelop theres quick search [14:19] one in the code? [14:19] or in the documentation? [14:20] in the code [14:20] in the serch bar at the bottom [14:20] but that just shows the files [14:20] press enter? [14:20] say im searching for UrlResolver::orderedSearchItems() ... it doesnt come up with anuthihg [14:21] dude [14:21] click there [14:21] and a popup should come [14:21] listing super features for specific searches [14:21] m method() would find you method() [14:22] apachelogger: should we upload this to universe? [14:23] Riddell: if upstream agrees [14:23] I think it would be nice, of course it might well break by natty but we can remove it in such case [14:23] apachelogger: but presumably needs them to merge the merges first? [14:24] Riddell: well, I patched the syncd downstream and in maverick the desktopcouch patch does not seem to be necessary since ubuntuone does not depend on desktopcouch anymore [14:24] would be good to have it merged though [14:25] apachelogger: so we can just go ahead and ask for FFe and upload? [14:25] yep [14:25] shadeslayer: wanna read a blog post about KCMs before publishing? [14:25] apachelogger: sure [14:25] although im not sure ill understand a thing :P [14:27] apachelogger: was I any good as a mentor? [14:31] shadeslayer: can you commit your koffice 2.2.2 packaging to bzr [14:31] Riddell: sure.. with UNRELEASED right? [14:31] yes [14:32] and, since I see it's lacking it, put in the vcs lines into debian/control [14:34] pushed [14:34] oh [14:34] thatll have to go in in rev 44 [14:34] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=44&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 44 | added KDEDIR/lib to the search path for jpeg/gif lib changed KDE to prefix in configure.in [14:34] heh :P [14:36] Riddell: terrific, thanks for mentoring :) [14:36] flattery will get your everywhere [14:36] ^^ [14:36] this is one channel that can make me smile any time :) [14:37] apachelogger: are you able to file the FFe and prepare the upload and subscribe appropriate people from canonical OLS to comment? [14:37] shadeslayer: are you in a mood to do the bluedevil MIRs and FFes today? [14:37] one bluedevil MIR coming right up [14:38] shadeslayer: did you run dh_install --list-missing on the koffice build? [14:38] Riddell: yeah.. i have a hook for that [14:38] * shadeslayer hunts for build log [14:39] Riddell: sure [14:39] oh.. i built the dsc directly :/ [14:39] * apachelogger needs to polish the packaging a bit anyway ^^ [14:39] which means i have no build log [14:39] Riddell: hold on... ill get a build log [14:39] shadeslayer: well so long as you checked it [14:40] i did... there were 4-5 false positives [14:40] libkdeinit_foo.so's .... [14:40] shadeslayer: and nothing needing adding? [14:40] nope [14:40] good, that means they're keeping to the bug fix only rule :) [14:40] seems so :) [14:41] apachelogger: blog post looks ok... [14:42] next question is do we package koffice-l10n or wait for debian to do it [14:42] Riddell: koffice-l10n is one large package, is it not? [14:42] yes [14:43] Riddell: I think we should package it then, unless Debian is going to do it [14:43] * apachelogger will love a translated KO in 10.10 [14:44] we should put 2.2.2 into backports as well [14:48] JontheEchidna: pingy [14:49] Riddell: seprate MIR's for bluedevil and libbluedevil? [14:50] and why do we have 2 seprate packages for them :( [14:50] oh.. wait.. theyre seprately maintained on git [14:51] btw adjam found a way to make google voice and video work in gmail+rekonq [14:52] with the new plugins released by google.. yet to ask him how he did it, but doesnt work here :( [14:53] shadeslayer: yes [14:53] is that plugin an entirely new NP-API plugin? [14:54] idk... its on the gmail blog, you can download the deb [14:54] i guess yes, not entirely sure [15:02] guess what [15:02] rekonq crash with flash [15:02] hooray [15:02] bug 622243 for bluedevil [15:02] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/622243) [15:02] apachelogger: from archives? [15:03] yus [15:04] tried trunk? [15:04] seems to work for me [15:05] apachelogger: video link [15:05] random vid on youtube [15:05] Riddell: bug 622245 for libbluedevil [15:05] Launchpad bug 622245 in bluedevil (Ubuntu) "[MIR] bluedevil" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622245 [15:05] aha! it doesnt load here... [15:05] shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF8ik8_UHjA&feature=featured [15:06] this is robert [15:06] seems to be a adblock issue [15:06] ok i have this nasty window with flash, but apart from that its all good [15:07] apachelogger: http://imgur.com/TpDC4 [15:08] i had to disable adblock, but it does work [15:08] adblock is pretty much foobar right now, with 2 pending merges i think [15:09] apachelogger: pong [15:12] ah [15:13] canonical is getting credit for kubuntu foo again [15:13] \o/ [15:13] * apachelogger switches to pissed mode and munches cookies [15:14] hahahaha [15:14] Failed to build on hooker (ia64) << [15:14] * apachelogger read that as hocker [15:15] oh dear [15:15] apachelogger: where do they get that? [15:16] I can't believe they named that for a builder [15:16] Mamarok: golem [15:16] Mamarok: www.golem.de/1008/77026.html [15:17] nigelb: yeah :P [15:18] http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/kcmodule-flower-power/ \o/ [15:21] whee [15:21] btw... we had a proposal on #ubuntu-youth yesterday [15:22] a mentorship program for the young'uns [15:22] apachelogger: also try running rekonq from konsole with gdb, im pretty sure itll work fine then :P [15:23] that is why drkonqi is here [15:23] apachelogger: I sent a comment [15:23] no like, with : gdb rekonq ... gdb> run [15:23] DrKonqi: hello [15:23] apachelogger: hola :) [15:23] DrKonqi: bt [15:24] lulz [15:24] shadeslayer: takes a bit [15:24] apachelogger: new host? :D [15:24] or running from your machine ? [15:25] running gdb [15:25] :P [15:25] oh it crashed [15:25] oh daer [15:25] ^^ [15:26] Mamarok: sweet [15:26] hehe [15:26] * apachelogger hugs Mamarok [15:32] how often does madison take snapshots of debian archives? [15:32] its 3 days behind from what i can see [15:32] Hey, wanna see some news about the upcoming Kubuntu page? :D Here you are: http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/324456-8222010122657PM [15:33] apachelogger: you are welcome :) [15:33] and this is not a mockup anymore :) [15:33] sweetness [15:33] sheytan: awesome.. just make the font color white everywhere [15:34] then theres a type : Find 'a' Community in your language [15:34] shadeslayer where you mean? [15:34] *typo [15:34] need to report to ofirk ;) [15:34] sheytan: the text just above "Create a Community" [15:35] shadeslayer i meant the white color... where? :) [15:35] its all blue.. make it white ;) [15:35] this represents links. Links are always blue :) [15:35] sheytan: http://imgur.com/Oq7jJ [15:35] hmm [15:36] they dont go with the rest of the page :( [15:36] i think they do :) [15:36] don't worry, they're good visable :) [15:36] just my 2 cents ;) [15:36] apart from that its all good [15:37] yep, it's always so that you can't make everyone happy :) [16:02] apachelogger: check this out : http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/rekonq-0-6-beta/ [16:03] shadeslayer: what do I see? [16:03] new rekonq release, try that one out. [16:03] and tell me if you have the issues [16:04] also since its now based on Qt 4.7 it _should_ behave :P [16:04] it is beta? [16:04] yes [16:04] s/?/! [16:04] you can try the daily ppa [16:05] get it in maverick [16:05] one of these days ill be spanked for breaking FF [16:05] apachelogger: i was thinking that we should wait for final release [16:06] or break FF now and say that 0.5.90 is a bug fix release :P [16:06] rekonq is a release goal, we can put 0.6 in without problems since it's known more stable [16:06] apachelogger: theres this awesome thing called ppa-purge now [16:07] you can add ppa > upgrade foobar > if you dont like it, use sudo purge-ppa ppa:foo and it downgrades everything [16:07] Riddell: alright im onto it then ;) [16:08] shadeslayer: if we are to judge stuff at this point it should be in the archives [16:08] any Polish people about? [16:08] if it fails FFe it is not for consideration anyway [16:08] * apachelogger pokes Quintasan [16:09] Quintasan: is this blog sane and do you know the author? http://mrybczynska.wordpress.com/ [16:09] * apachelogger is pretty far on his qtdbus type system blog [16:09] NOT [16:09] :( [16:09] * apachelogger goes on break [16:16] koffice-l10n uploaded [16:17] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/i17qT6wB << does that look right to you ? [16:17] its src/data/rekonq.desktop [16:18] shadeslayer: why shouldn't it be right? [16:18] well [16:18] we have a patch which has these translations [16:18] yes and upstream have used it, you can remove the patch [16:18] http://pastebin.com/WnAPcQZd [16:19] ah ok [16:19] but how is it the same? [16:19] because adjam applied the patch I gave him [16:19] ok [16:32] hmmm. does anyone know if the dbusmenu stuff in plasma requires some (possibly *buntu-specific) daemon to run? [16:33] Riddell: new rekonq package at https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental [16:33] hasnt been processed yet [16:45] you rock shadeslayer [16:45] hehe :P [16:45] Sput: it does not [16:45] just a patch to qt [16:52] ehm [16:52] * apachelogger is wondering why jovie is running on his system [16:52] strangeness [16:58] Riddell: hmm strange, because plasma seems to still request the traditional context menu here, and I can't see anything like org.ayatana.* in qdbusviewer [16:59] it's a freedesktop spec [17:01] Riddell: mh, but plasma seems to ship a org.ayatana.dbusmenu interface file [17:01] that's all very confusing to me [17:02] maybe I'm wrong [17:02] Riddell: how can org.ayatana.dbusmenu be a fdo spec if the fdo namespace is org.freedesktop/ [17:02] ? [17:02] and the docs for dbusmenu are not existant, it seems [17:02] at best it is porposed for fdo [17:03] in any case, a dbus interface file means that there should be a daemon/servive somewhere, right? [17:04] Sput: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/dbusmenu/spec/classorg_1_1ayatana_1_1dbusmenu.html [17:04] yeah, that's the interface, but it doesn't tell me how to actually use/test the stuff [17:04] shadeslayer: We can sync from experimental. [17:04] could some of you kubuntu guys please check qdbusviewer if there's some ayatana service running? [17:05] or anything else that has "dbusmenu" in its name [17:05] ScottK: yeah, waiting for madision to be up to date ( its been uploaded to experimental ) [17:05] * apachelogger is wondering if that is not form libdbusmenu [17:06] Sput: no ayatana here [17:06] libdbusmenu doesn't ship any .xml [17:06] :/ [17:06] hm [17:06] it at least includes one in the source [17:06] qdbus | grep dbus is empty [17:07] and what is that: /home/me/src/svn/kde/KDE/kdelibs/kdeui/notifications/org.ayatana.dbusmenu.xml [17:08] * apachelogger is also getting confused [17:08] yes, that's what KDE ships [17:08] and there's plasma dataengine for importing dbusmenus [17:09] but... without a service, where is it's importing them from? [17:09] the apps? :P [17:10] hm [17:10] !find org.ayatana.dbusmenu [17:10] Package/file org.ayatana.dbusmenu does not exist in lucid [17:10] !find org.ayatana.dbusmenu.service [17:10] Package/file org.ayatana.dbusmenu.service does not exist in lucid [17:11] does not seem as if we had a dbus service for it either [17:13] I remember it was briefly org.freedesktop but then they remembered it wasn't a freedesktop spec (yet) so changed it back to org.ayatana [17:13] anyway, I've lost track of the question here [17:13] are we talking about global menus or systray icon menus? [17:14] Riddell: latter I think [17:14] though I think former does nothing more than latter anyway (just with another menu) [17:16] ohhhhhh [17:16] uhhhh [17:17] Sput: it is part of the statusnotifer [17:17] it is not an own object registereted at dbus, but an interface of statusnotifieritem [17:17] hmm [17:17] the plasma tray seems to ignore the menu we export, and I think we do the same as KStatusNotifierItem [17:17] look for org.kde.StatusNotifierItem-* /MenuBar [17:18] ok [17:18] Riddell: do gnome apps also get a org.kde.StatusNotifierItem-* entry on dbus? [17:18] * apachelogger has no gnome tray apps around [17:19] what makes you think I have gnome apps around? :) [17:19] you made advertising screenshots of them incorporating into kde systray IIRC :P [17:20] * apachelogger alwyas forgets removing stuff after he installed it [17:21] does rhythmbox not have a tray icon :O [17:21] I don't know any gnome systray apps now, they're all indicator menus [17:21] did they patch it away? [17:22]