[00:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: KMymoney wont be uploaded till squeeze is out, and will be uploaded only to sid
[00:30] <shadeslayer> so we either wait or package our own version
[00:52] <claydoh> shadeslayer: I have kmm in my ppa, but somehow it didn't detect aqbanking so those outside of US can't do online banking with my 4.5 pkg :(
[00:52] <shadeslayer> hmm
[00:52] <shadeslayer> claydoh: kmm team is pushing for a exception in debian
[00:52] <claydoh> plus my pkg skillz are almost nil, but I could work on one with more study and training :)
[00:53] <shadeslayer> claydoh: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=kmymoney << my package
[00:54] <claydoh> I just noticed that, trying to see what Debian pkg was available :)
[00:55] <shadeslayer> ;)
[00:56] <shadeslayer> claydoh: since the package had no ubuntu changes, i proceded the old debian->ubuntu way
[00:57] <shadeslayer> im off for a bit... will be back in a hour with koffice package hopefully
[00:57] <claydoh> shadeslayer:and that process I don't understand fully :)
[00:57] <shadeslayer> claydoh: hehe :P
[00:57] <shadeslayer> me neither... but i usually ask people @ debian-qt-kde
[00:57] <shadeslayer> on OFTC ;)
[04:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new koffice packages uploading to https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[08:53]  * jussi waves to raddy
[08:53] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[08:54] <raddy> I am using KDE 4.5 pack ported packages in Lynx
[08:54] <jussi> raddy: it is sunday morning though, so there may be some delay in getting an answer
[08:54] <raddy> jussi: What your time zone?
[08:54] <jussi> raddy: gmt+2
[08:55] <raddy> ohh ok
[08:55] <jussi> ie. most of europe
[08:58] <jussi> raddy: please do ask your question though
[08:59] <raddy> ok, fine
[08:59] <raddy> I am using KDE 4.5 back-ported packages in Lucid Lynx/
[09:00] <raddy> I found that i am not able to use Voice and Video capability in Kopete on Jabber protocol.
[09:01] <raddy> The feature is added in 4.4 version of KDE it self, and the feature appears to be available in Maverick.
[09:02] <raddy> After lot of research, i came to the conclusion that the Back-ported packages may not have compiled with Jabber Voice and Video support.
[09:02] <raddy> Can anybody cross-check my findings?
[09:20] <raddy> Anybody there?
[09:26] <valorie> raddy, I think most of the europeans are just getting up
[09:26] <valorie> and the Americans are in bed
[09:27] <shadeslayer> oic
[09:27] <valorie> except shadeslayer
[09:27] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[09:27] <valorie> ;-)
[09:28]  * shadeslayer has +5.30 time zone
[09:28] <shadeslayer> so..
[09:28] <valorie> India?
[09:28] <shadeslayer> raddy: bug 509772
[09:28] <shadeslayer> valorie: yeah :)
[09:28] <valorie> cool!
[09:29] <shadeslayer> ... and humid..... 
[09:30] <shadeslayer> raddy: so, in lucid we do not build with google call support
[09:30] <shadeslayer> BUT
[09:30] <shadeslayer> raddy: if you have chrome/firefox/iceweasel use : http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/use-linux-now-you-can-video-chat-too.html
[09:31] <shadeslayer> we still dont have video support in kopete.... but ^ does the trick nicely
[09:31] <raddy> shadeslayer: But someone has already built a Kopete version with Voice and Video support.
[09:31] <shadeslayer> raddy: yes in maverick we have voice support
[09:31] <shadeslayer> video support.... i have no idea if google allows that
[09:32] <shadeslayer> it should be possible, but maybe google blocks other clients or such... no idea
[09:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, 3rd party documention... I like that ^^
[09:33] <raddy> shadeslayer: Google allows that. Empathy already supports that with the help of telepathy.
[09:33] <raddy> why this link not working, https://launchpad.net/~pali.rohar/+archive/ppa
[09:33] <raddy> Can anybody point me to the correct location?
[09:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: quick question, i need to patch kopete such that when started it prompts for installation of gcall binary
[09:33]  * shadeslayer looks
[09:34] <apachelogger> you know
[09:34] <apachelogger> I really think
[09:34] <apachelogger> it should only prompt
[09:34] <apachelogger> once the user configured a jabber account to talk.google.com
[09:34] <apachelogger> OR already has one
[09:34] <shadeslayer> raddy: https://edge.launchpad.net/~pali/+archive/pali
[09:35] <shadeslayer> but it has SVN version
[09:35] <apachelogger> and not generally assume that people can/want to use gcall
[09:35] <shadeslayer> so it _might_ have telepathy integration
[09:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: in either case just take a look at kdebase's konqueror flash patch
[09:35] <shadeslayer> alright
[09:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if your free please upload koffice from my ppa 
[09:37] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[09:38] <raddy> Is there any plans to backport Maverick Kopete pages??
[09:38] <raddy> packages?
[09:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[09:52] <shadeslayer> wth.. i cant pull-debian-source from experimental :S
[10:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am afraid the connection here does not really qualify for uploads of that large a monster
[10:04] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[10:05] <raddy> Is it possible to install compiz-kde package in KDE 4.5x back port?
[10:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[10:21] <shadeslayer> 53 MB is huge? :D
[10:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yus
[10:31] <shadeslayer> whats your upload speed? :P
[10:41] <raddy> Is it possible to install compiz-kde package in kde 4.5 back port?
[10:41] <raddy> It appears not possible.
[10:43] <apachelogger> raddy: if it appears not possible then it is possibly not possible
[10:43] <apachelogger> also I think we saw it the first time you asked
[10:45] <ofirk> apachelogger: hi :D
[10:45] <apachelogger> yo ofirk
[10:45] <ofirk> congratulations on the UbuntuOne KDE client :)
[10:45] <ofirk> it is looking very nice
[10:50] <ofirk> we (website team) are working on a section in the website which lists featured project
[10:51] <ofirk> apachelogger: we want to list this project
[10:51] <ofirk> I understand that you are looking after a new maintainer for the project ...
[10:51] <ofirk> but at the meantime could you open a category that will contain all UbuntuOne KDE posts so we can easily link to them?
[10:51] <apachelogger> ofirk: yeah, I would not list it there until someone is found
[10:51] <apachelogger> ofirk: a category where?
[10:51] <ofirk> apachelogger: in your blog
[10:52] <apachelogger> http://en.wordpress.com/tag/ubuntuone/
[10:52] <apachelogger> oh that is global
[10:52] <ofirk> so it will function as a temporary project website
[10:52] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/category/ubuntuone/
[10:53] <ofirk> oh, great!
[10:53] <ofirk> apachelogger: thanks :)
[10:55] <ofirk> apachelogger: how did you make this graph? http://apachelog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ubuntuone-kde-graph3.png
[10:57] <apachelogger> inkscapey
[10:58] <ofirk> thanks
[11:13] <raddy> So compiz kde not yet compiled against kde 4.5?
[12:14] <shadeslayer> is lex on a really really long holiday? :P
[13:00] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/ubuntu-one-the-kde-way/#comment-377
[13:00] <apachelogger> I wonder if I should even comment on that
[13:20] <Riddell> morning
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: you wanted to talk about your project?
[13:20] <apachelogger> morning Riddell
[13:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, the mail from gsoc team suggested that we talk a bit about it :)
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: anything worth noting about my evaluation?
[13:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: give me 15 mins to read over your blogs
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: sure
[13:22]  * apachelogger is writing on another one right now about interesting bits on KCMs ;)
[13:32] <Quintasan> \o/
[13:32] <Riddell> ooh you made digitizor http://digitizor.com/2010/08/20/the-ubuntuone-kde-client-enters-alpha-installation-instruction/
[13:34] <apachelogger> is that good? ^^
[13:34] <shadeslayer> nice
[13:34] <Quintasan> hmmmmm
[13:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: so, were you pleased with your project?
[13:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: pretty much, though I think we could have made it more interesting to the user and the press by doing the Akonadi integration
[13:49] <apachelogger> but the way we did it there is a good base to continue GUI implementations on (if I find a maintainer)
[13:50] <Riddell> how did you find out about the technical requirements?
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: mostly trial and error and looking at the code of the GNOME implemention
[13:54] <apachelogger> real documentation is sparse
[13:55] <Riddell> did you have much communication with the upstream developers?
[13:57] <Riddell> upstream probably the wrong word there. the canonical OLS team
[13:59] <Nightrose> [14:00:00] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/19/ubuntu-one-the-kde-way/#comment-377
[13:59] <Nightrose> [14:00:09] <apachelogger> I wonder if I should even comment on that
[13:59] <Nightrose> ^ you can start by telling the clueless guy that google did also pay for an owncloud project
[14:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please upload koffice ...
[14:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: not a whole lot, also since they have no mailing list I am afraid some information got lost in IRC logs
[14:02] <apachelogger> like apparently the responsible people of ubuntu-sso-client did not know about my Qt implementation until like a month ago or so
[14:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: good idea, I think I will also end it there ... I do not really feel like defending Google or Canonical yet again...
[14:04] <Nightrose> yea
[14:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: how could upstream work better with community projects such as this?
[14:04] <Riddell> bad use of upstream again
[14:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, do you happen to know what came out of owncloud? I know of two implementions but both not really mature
[14:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: sandsmark completed it sucessfully and there are two SoK students still working on owncloud
[14:05] <Nightrose> for details you'll need to ask them
[14:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think mailing list && communication via that mailing list rather than internally would help a lot ... from my POV most of the things that are going on in ubuntuone seem totally opaque, especially if you are not following the code branches
[14:06] <apachelogger> I did not know that ubuntu-sso-client is getting real GUI implementations to eliminate the need of a web browser for the authentication process
[14:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you plan to come to UDS?  it would be good to have a meeting about that kind of stuff with them
[14:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do, question is if I can :)
[14:10] <Riddell> they're going to announce opening of sponsorship requests in a few days
[14:10] <Riddell> I know what a d pointer is, what's a q pointer?
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: the other part
[14:13] <apachelogger> d goes from public to private
[14:13] <apachelogger> and q from private to public
[14:15] <apachelogger> here the private class calls statusChanged of the public class -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/annotate/head:/src/libs/SyncDaemon.cpp#L76
[14:15] <apachelogger> via the q ptr
[14:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you search for a function in qtcreator?
[14:19] <shadeslayer> like in kdevelop theres quick search
[14:19] <apachelogger> one in the code?
[14:19] <apachelogger> or in the documentation?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> in the code
[14:20] <apachelogger> in the serch bar at the bottom
[14:20] <shadeslayer> but that just shows the files
[14:20] <apachelogger> press enter?
[14:20] <shadeslayer> say im searching for  UrlResolver::orderedSearchItems() ... it doesnt come up with anuthihg
[14:21] <apachelogger> dude
[14:21] <apachelogger> click there
[14:21] <apachelogger> and a popup should come
[14:21] <apachelogger> listing super features for specific searches
[14:21] <apachelogger> m method() would find you method()
[14:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: should we upload this to universe?
[14:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: if upstream agrees
[14:23] <Riddell> I think it would be nice, of course it might well break by natty but we can remove it in such case
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: but presumably needs them to merge the merges first?
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I patched the syncd downstream and in maverick the desktopcouch patch does not seem to be necessary since ubuntuone does not depend on desktopcouch anymore
[14:24] <apachelogger> would be good to have it merged though
[14:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: so we can just go ahead and ask for FFe and upload?
[14:25] <apachelogger> yep
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanna read a blog post about KCMs before publishing?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure
[14:25] <shadeslayer> although im not sure ill understand a thing :P
[14:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: was I any good as a mentor?
[14:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can you commit your koffice 2.2.2 packaging to bzr 
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure.. with UNRELEASED right?
[14:31] <Riddell> yes
[14:32] <Riddell> and, since I see it's lacking it, put in the vcs lines into debian/control
[14:34] <shadeslayer> pushed
[14:34] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:34] <shadeslayer> thatll have to go in in rev 44 
[14:34] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[14:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: terrific, thanks for mentoring :)
[14:36] <Riddell> flattery will get your everywhere
[14:36] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:36] <nigelb> this is one channel that can make me smile any time :)
[14:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you able to file the FFe and prepare the upload and subscribe appropriate people from canonical OLS to comment?
[14:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you in a mood to do the bluedevil MIRs and FFes today?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> one bluedevil MIR coming right up
[14:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you run dh_install --list-missing on the koffice build?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah.. i have a hook for that 
[14:38]  * shadeslayer hunts for build log
[14:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: sure
[14:39] <shadeslayer> oh.. i built the dsc directly :/
[14:39]  * apachelogger needs to polish the packaging a bit anyway ^^
[14:39] <shadeslayer> which means i have no build log 
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hold on... ill get a build log
[14:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well so long as you checked it
[14:40] <shadeslayer> i did... there were 4-5 false positives
[14:40] <shadeslayer> libkdeinit_foo.so's ....
[14:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: and nothing needing adding?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:40] <Riddell> good, that means they're keeping to the bug fix only rule :)
[14:40] <shadeslayer> seems so :)
[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: blog post looks ok...
[14:42] <Riddell> next question is do we package koffice-l10n or wait for debian to do it
[14:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: koffice-l10n is one large package, is it not?
[14:42] <Riddell> yes
[14:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should package it then, unless Debian is going to do it
[14:43]  * apachelogger will love a translated KO in 10.10 
[14:44] <Riddell> we should put 2.2.2 into backports as well
[14:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: pingy
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seprate MIR's for bluedevil and libbluedevil?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> and why do we have 2 seprate packages for them :(
[14:50] <shadeslayer> oh.. wait.. theyre seprately maintained on git
[14:51] <shadeslayer> btw adjam found a way to make google voice and video work in gmail+rekonq
[14:52] <shadeslayer> with the new plugins released by google.. yet to ask him how he did it, but doesnt work here :(
[14:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[14:53] <Riddell> is that plugin an entirely new NP-API plugin?
[14:54] <shadeslayer> idk... its on the gmail blog, you can download the deb
[14:54] <shadeslayer> i guess yes, not entirely sure
[15:02] <apachelogger> guess what
[15:02] <apachelogger> rekonq crash with flash
[15:02] <apachelogger> hooray
[15:02] <shadeslayer> bug 622243 for bluedevil
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: from archives?
[15:03] <apachelogger> yus
[15:04] <shadeslayer> tried trunk?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> seems to work for me
[15:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: video link
[15:05] <apachelogger> random vid on youtube
[15:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bug 622245 for libbluedevil
[15:05] <shadeslayer> aha! it doesnt load here...
[15:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF8ik8_UHjA&feature=featured
[15:06] <apachelogger> this is robert
[15:06] <shadeslayer> seems to be a adblock issue
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ok i have this nasty window with flash, but apart from that its all good
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imgur.com/TpDC4
[15:08] <shadeslayer> i had to disable adblock, but it does work
[15:08] <shadeslayer> adblock is pretty much foobar right now, with 2 pending merges i think
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[15:12] <apachelogger> ah
[15:13] <apachelogger> canonical is getting credit for kubuntu foo again
[15:13] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:13]  * apachelogger switches to pissed mode and munches cookies
[15:14] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[15:14] <shadeslayer> Failed to build on hooker (ia64) << 
[15:14]  * apachelogger read that as hocker
[15:15] <apachelogger> oh dear
[15:15] <Mamarok> apachelogger: where do they get that?
[15:16] <nigelb> I can't believe they named that for a builder
[15:16] <apachelogger> Mamarok: golem
[15:16] <apachelogger> Mamarok: www.golem.de/1008/77026.html
[15:17] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah :P
[15:18] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/kcmodule-flower-power/ \o/
[15:21] <shadeslayer> whee
[15:21] <shadeslayer> btw... we had a proposal on #ubuntu-youth yesterday 
[15:22] <shadeslayer> a mentorship program for the young'uns
[15:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also try running rekonq from konsole with gdb, im pretty sure itll work fine then :P
[15:23] <apachelogger> that is why drkonqi is here
[15:23] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I sent a comment
[15:23] <shadeslayer> no like, with : gdb rekonq ... gdb> run 
[15:23] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: hello
[15:23] <DrKonqi> apachelogger: hola :)
[15:23] <apachelogger> DrKonqi: bt
[15:24] <shadeslayer> lulz
[15:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: takes a bit
[15:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: new host? :D
[15:24] <shadeslayer> or running from your machine ?
[15:25] <apachelogger> running gdb
[15:25] <apachelogger> :P
[15:25] <apachelogger> oh it crashed
[15:25] <apachelogger> oh daer
[15:25] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:26] <apachelogger> Mamarok: sweet
[15:26] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:26]  * apachelogger hugs Mamarok
[15:32] <shadeslayer> how often does madison take snapshots of debian archives?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> its 3 days behind from what i can see
[15:32] <sheytan> Hey, wanna see some news about the upcoming Kubuntu page? :D Here you are: http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/324456-8222010122657PM
[15:33] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you are welcome :)
[15:33] <sheytan> and this is not a mockup anymore :)
[15:33] <apachelogger> sweetness
[15:33] <shadeslayer> sheytan: awesome.. just make the font color white everywhere 
[15:34] <shadeslayer> then  theres a type : Find 'a' Community in your language
[15:34] <sheytan> shadeslayer where you mean?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> *typo
[15:34] <sheytan> need to report to ofirk ;)
[15:34] <shadeslayer> sheytan: the text just above "Create a Community"
[15:35] <sheytan> shadeslayer i meant the white color... where? :)
[15:35] <shadeslayer> its all blue.. make it white ;)
[15:35] <sheytan> this represents links. Links are always blue :)
[15:35] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://imgur.com/Oq7jJ
[15:35] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:36] <shadeslayer> they dont go with the rest of the page :(
[15:36] <sheytan> i think they do :)
[15:36] <sheytan> don't worry, they're good visable :)
[15:36] <shadeslayer> just my 2 cents ;)
[15:36] <shadeslayer> apart from that its all good
[15:37] <sheytan> yep, it's always so that you can't make everyone happy :)
[16:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: check this out : http://adjamblog.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/rekonq-0-6-beta/
[16:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what do I see?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> new rekonq release, try that one out.
[16:03] <shadeslayer> and tell me if you have the issues
[16:04] <shadeslayer> also since its now based on Qt 4.7 it _should_ behave :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> it is beta?
[16:04] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:04] <apachelogger> s/?/!
[16:04] <shadeslayer> you can try the daily ppa
[16:05] <apachelogger> get it in maverick
[16:05] <shadeslayer> one of these days ill be spanked for breaking FF
[16:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i was thinking that we should wait for final release
[16:06] <shadeslayer> or break FF now and say that 0.5.90 is a bug fix release :P
[16:06] <Riddell> rekonq is a release goal, we can put 0.6 in without problems since it's known more stable
[16:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres this awesome thing called ppa-purge now
[16:07] <shadeslayer> you can add ppa > upgrade foobar > if you dont like it, use sudo purge-ppa ppa:foo and it downgrades everything
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alright im onto it then ;)
[16:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if we are to judge stuff at this point it should be in the archives
[16:08] <Riddell> any Polish people about?
[16:08] <apachelogger> if it fails FFe it is not for consideration anyway
[16:08]  * apachelogger pokes Quintasan
[16:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: is this blog sane and do you know the author? http://mrybczynska.wordpress.com/
[16:09]  * apachelogger is pretty far on his qtdbus type system blog
[16:09] <apachelogger> NOT
[16:09] <apachelogger> :(
[16:09]  * apachelogger goes on break
[16:16] <Riddell> koffice-l10n uploaded
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/i17qT6wB << does that look right to you ?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> its src/data/rekonq.desktop 
[16:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why shouldn't it be right?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> well
[16:18] <shadeslayer> we have a patch which has these translations
[16:18] <Riddell> yes and upstream have used it, you can remove the patch
[16:18] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/WnAPcQZd
[16:19] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[16:19] <shadeslayer> but how is it the same?
[16:19] <Riddell> because adjam applied the patch I gave him
[16:19] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:32] <Sput> hmmm. does anyone know if the dbusmenu stuff in plasma requires some (possibly *buntu-specific) daemon to run?
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new rekonq package at https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[16:33] <shadeslayer> hasnt been processed yet
[16:45] <Riddell> you rock shadeslayer 
[16:45] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[16:45] <Riddell> Sput: it does not
[16:45] <Riddell> just a patch to qt
[16:52] <apachelogger> ehm
[16:52]  * apachelogger is wondering why jovie is running on his system
[16:52] <apachelogger> strangeness
[16:58] <Sput> Riddell: hmm strange, because plasma seems to still request the traditional context menu here, and I can't see anything like org.ayatana.* in qdbusviewer
[16:59] <Riddell> it's a freedesktop spec
[17:01] <Sput> Riddell: mh, but plasma seems to ship a org.ayatana.dbusmenu interface file
[17:01] <Sput> that's all very confusing to me
[17:02] <Riddell> maybe I'm wrong
[17:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: how can org.ayatana.dbusmenu be a fdo spec if the fdo namespace is org.freedesktop/
[17:02] <apachelogger> ?
[17:02] <Sput> and the docs for dbusmenu are not existant, it seems
[17:02] <apachelogger> at best it is porposed for fdo
[17:03] <Sput> in any case, a dbus interface file means that there should be a daemon/servive somewhere, right?
[17:04] <apachelogger> Sput: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/dbusmenu/spec/classorg_1_1ayatana_1_1dbusmenu.html
[17:04] <Sput> yeah, that's the interface, but it doesn't tell me how to actually use/test the stuff
[17:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We can sync from experimental.
[17:04] <Sput> could some of you kubuntu guys please check qdbusviewer if there's some ayatana service running?
[17:05] <Sput> or anything else that has "dbusmenu" in its name
[17:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah, waiting for madision to be up to date ( its been uploaded to experimental )
[17:05]  * apachelogger is wondering if that is not form libdbusmenu
[17:06] <apachelogger> Sput: no ayatana here
[17:06] <Sput> libdbusmenu doesn't ship any .xml
[17:06] <Sput> :/
[17:06] <apachelogger> hm
[17:06] <apachelogger> it at least includes one in the source
[17:06] <Riddell> qdbus | grep dbus  is empty
[17:07] <apachelogger> and what is that: /home/me/src/svn/kde/KDE/kdelibs/kdeui/notifications/org.ayatana.dbusmenu.xml
[17:08]  * apachelogger is also getting confused
[17:08] <Sput> yes, that's what KDE ships
[17:08] <Sput> and there's plasma dataengine for importing dbusmenus
[17:09] <Sput> but... without a service, where is it's importing them from?
[17:09] <apachelogger> the apps? :P
[17:10] <Sput> hm
[17:10] <apachelogger> !find org.ayatana.dbusmenu
[17:10] <apachelogger> !find org.ayatana.dbusmenu.service
[17:11] <apachelogger> does not seem as if we had a dbus service for it either
[17:13] <Riddell> I remember it was briefly org.freedesktop but then they remembered it wasn't a freedesktop spec (yet) so changed it back to org.ayatana
[17:13] <Riddell> anyway, I've lost track of the question here
[17:13] <Riddell> are we talking about global menus or systray icon menus?
[17:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: latter I think
[17:14] <apachelogger> though I think former does nothing more than latter anyway (just with another menu)
[17:16] <apachelogger> ohhhhhh
[17:16] <apachelogger> uhhhh
[17:17] <apachelogger> Sput: it is part of the statusnotifer
[17:17] <apachelogger> it is not an own object registereted at dbus, but an interface of statusnotifieritem
[17:17] <Sput> hmm
[17:17] <Sput> the plasma tray seems to ignore the menu we export, and I think we do the same as KStatusNotifierItem
[17:17] <apachelogger> look for org.kde.StatusNotifierItem-* /MenuBar
[17:18] <Sput> ok
[17:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: do gnome apps also get a org.kde.StatusNotifierItem-* entry on dbus?
[17:18]  * apachelogger has no gnome tray apps around
[17:19] <Riddell> what makes you think I have gnome apps around? :)
[17:19] <apachelogger> you made advertising screenshots of them incorporating into kde systray IIRC :P
[17:20]  * apachelogger alwyas forgets removing stuff after he installed it
[17:21] <apachelogger> does rhythmbox not have a tray icon :O
[17:21] <Riddell> I don't know any gnome systray apps now, they're all indicator menus
[17:21] <apachelogger> did they patch it away?
[17:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: and they removed gui settings?
[17:22] <apachelogger> or did they never have any?
[17:22] <maco> tomboy still goes in the tray...
[17:22] <maco> but i dont think its a dbusmenu
[17:22] <apachelogger> right
[17:23] <apachelogger> monoware never obeys standards made by others than MS :P
[17:25] <apachelogger> Sput: you register a org.kde.StatusNotifierWatcher-*?
[17:25] <apachelogger> eh org.kde.StatusNotifierItem-* so that the watcher knows about it ;)
[17:25] <Sput> yes
[17:26] <Sput> and it's displayed by plasma too
[17:27] <Sput> ok, we do export the MenuBar/
[17:28] <Sput> so I guess it should be working, but the plasma try still request a traditional context menu...
[17:43] <apachelogger> Sput: do you have the code committed?
[17:46] <apachelogger> emonkey: linuxday dornbirn 27 november?
[17:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^ what could I be talking about?
[17:47] <apachelogger> eh
[17:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: I am getting a warning about googletak-call not being installed?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[17:47] <shadeslayer> one sec
[17:48] <apachelogger> didnt we agree that needs to be patched away? :P
[17:48] <shadeslayer> yes package needs updating... ill do that on tuesday
[17:50] <shadeslayer> or if anyone else wants to do it.. feel free
[17:52] <Sput> apachelogger: not yet merged
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have a look http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/5049/
[18:17] <shadeslayer> fixed all them errors
[18:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: still no ack from fredrik?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> no :(
[18:18] <shadeslayer> im all sad because of that
[18:18] <shadeslayer> notmart ackd
[18:18] <shadeslayer> but he needs a ack from fredrik as well before it can go in
[18:19] <apachelogger> hm
[18:19] <apachelogger> I know
[18:19] <apachelogger> :P
[18:19] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:19] <apachelogger> const QList<int> iconSizes = QList<int>() << 16 << 22 << 32 << 48 << 64 << 128;
[18:19]  * shadeslayer hates madison 
[18:19] <apachelogger> that seems dirty
[18:19] <apachelogger> very very dirty
[18:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: line 501
[18:20] <shadeslayer> not my doing ;)
[18:20] <shadeslayer> i took most of the code from configaccepted() and refactored it
[18:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you duplicated it
[18:20] <apachelogger> which is not good
[18:20] <shadeslayer> not exact duplicated 
[18:21] <apachelogger> but?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> some of the stuff wasnt needed, so removed it
[18:21] <apachelogger> I mean that line
[18:21] <apachelogger> that one particular line
[18:21] <apachelogger> that one seriously meaningful line
[18:21] <apachelogger> you duplicated it
[18:21] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[18:21] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: feel free to criticize
[18:22] <apachelogger> should the sizes change or get enhanced one needs to know that there are two occurances!!!
[18:22] <shadeslayer> and tell me the correct implementation 
[18:22] <apachelogger> that should either be a member or what is even better a static const version
[18:22] <apachelogger> or if you find no other way use a C macro
[18:22] <apachelogger> but duplicting that line is just ewwww IMHO
[18:24] <shadeslayer> so have something like : static const QList<int> iconSizes = QList<int>() << 16 << 22 << 32 << 48 << 64 << 128; : in folderview.h ?
[18:24] <shadeslayer> and replace all instances 
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[18:30] <apachelogger> AAHAHHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
[18:30] <shadeslayer> erm?
[18:30] <apachelogger> rekon may go make sweet love to itself
[18:30]  * apachelogger just got logged out
[18:30] <apachelogger> all hail the rekonq
[18:30] <shadeslayer> whut?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is it good? :P
[18:31] <apachelogger> I HATE THAT THING SO MUCH
[18:31] <apachelogger> lets make kaffeine default as long as rekonq goes
[18:31] <shadeslayer> whoa ...
[18:31] <shadeslayer> what happened dude
[18:31] <apachelogger> I would be better of using a VCR for browsing
[18:31] <shadeslayer> and on rekonq 0.5.80 or 0.5 ?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: really what happened ?
[18:33] <apachelogger> it logged me out
[18:33] <shadeslayer> from reviewboard?
[18:33] <shadeslayer> maybe the cookie expored ? :P
[18:33] <shadeslayer> *expired
[18:34] <shadeslayer> or rekonq just hates you 
[18:35] <apachelogger> rekonq is just crap
[18:35] <apachelogger> that is the problem
[18:36] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: rekonq 0.6 beta?
[18:44] <apachelogger> is it in maverick?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> no
[18:44] <shadeslayer> if you can upload it
[18:45] <shadeslayer> its in my ppa ;)
[18:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: needs exception
[18:45] <shadeslayer> right
[18:45] <shadeslayer> should i file one?
[18:46] <shadeslayer> wait wrong question :P
[18:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apachelogger Riddell bug 622364
[18:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try rekonq from my ppa : https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[18:53] <shadeslayer> and im off to sleep ....
[18:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will address your concerns with patch tomorrow
[18:53]  * shadeslayer out
[18:54] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer 
[20:19] <jussi> o//
[20:52] <sheytan> Getting closer and closer: http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/351518-8222010104558PM  http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/548316-8222010104617PM   http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/881287-8222010104634PM
[22:11]  * apachelogger got quite the headache
[22:11]  * apachelogger also found a bug
[22:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lovely <3
[22:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: yes I do know her, she is the translation coordinator in kde-i18n-pl
[22:17]  * apachelogger pokes Riddell with http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/qtwebkit-video/#comment-390
[22:17] <Quintasan> Riddell: and this blog seems "sane", if by sane you mean that it makes sense
[22:44] <CIA-71> [workspace] sitter * 1166775 * trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/systemsettings/app/SettingsBase.cpp (log message trimmed)
[22:44] <CIA-71> Support X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category-V2 entries also for categories in
[22:44] <CIA-71> a 3rd party usecase. KPackageKit for example distributes its own category and
[22:50] <CIA-71> [workspace] sitter * 1166776 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdebase/workspace/systemsettings/app/SettingsBase.cpp (log message trimmed)
[22:50] <CIA-71> backport of r1166775 Support X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category-V2 entries
[22:50] <CIA-71> also for categories in a 3rd party usecase. KPackageKit for example distributes
[22:51] <CIA-71> [kpackagekit] sitter * 1166778 * trunk/playground/sysadmin/kpackagekit/Desktop/settings-add-and-remove-software.desktop Add a V2 sytemsettings category for KDE 4.5 (works in 4.5 after revision 1166776 and trunk after revision 1166775).