[00:09] Is it always this quiet? [00:12] this time of the week it is mostly [00:13] well_laid_lawn: Saturday? [00:15] more like early sun morning I guess [00:15] it's 9am sun here [00:19] nice. where is here? [00:25] Australia - you? [00:26] Jamaica [00:26] Peru [00:26] heh - the other side of the world :] [00:26] Yes :) [00:28] hi Ludacris [00:29] well_laid_lawn: Aussies seem to have a fairly high tech threshold [00:29] our gov had a push to make us the "smart nation" - seems to slowly be working [00:30] Daskreech: hey [00:31] well_laid_lawn: or Govt had a push. then they couldn't be bothered to keep pushing the push. Seems to be bearing fruit :) [00:32] heh === root is now known as Guest19514 [00:37] Is it possible to disable the fade effect when using a slideshow as desktop background? It freezes my computer for several seconds every time the background changes. [00:37] whats better Kubuntu or Ubuntu? [00:38] it's a matter of taste - kde usage some more resources then gnome [00:38] Ludacris: which do you like better? [00:38] Ludacris: The only difference is Kubuntu uses KDE, Ubuntu uses GNOME. I like KDE better :P [00:38] Lots better. GNOME reminds me of Win98. Ick. [00:39] CoJaBo: Think so. Never tried. Jump into #plasma and ask [00:39] I use Ubuntu and I don't know the differences other than KDE and Gnome [00:39] Ludacris: there is none besides that :) [00:39] oh [00:39] cool [00:39] so is it the same with Xubuntu [00:39] kde has it's own apps like kopete for messaging etc [00:39] I use Choqok and its for KDE [00:40] Ludacris: so which ever you like using better. It's generally accepted that Gnome is more streamlined but less configurable and KDE is a little less polished but much more willing to bend to the users wishes [00:40] Ludacris: Xubuntu uses XFCE, which is very buggy- I'd stay away from it. [00:40] cool thx for explaining [00:40] CoJaBo: Down boy [00:41] Ludacris: You can of course use XFCE if you like :) [00:41] Ludacris: the only difference between ubuntu variants are the packages that are installed by default... kubuntu uses kde but you can easily install gnome alongside kde [00:41] well g2g to a restaurant bye guys [00:41] Ludacris: Of course, thats only my experiance- XFCE is intended to be minimalist, but it loaks memory like a firehose for me. [00:41] leaks [00:52] rekonq is going to be default moving forward from Kubuntu? [00:58] What is the channel Kubuntu Brazil? [01:01] Please!!! I'm complete lost!!! Help!!! [01:01] !br | anderson [01:01] anderson: Entre em #ubuntu-br usando /join #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [01:01] is there a Kubuntu Brazil channel ? [01:02] ohhhh there is one :P [01:02] I don't speak english!!! [01:03] Fair enough, I dont speak portuguese [01:05] !br [01:05] Entre em #ubuntu-br usando /join #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [01:05] anderson: ^^^ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:10] hi guys [01:10] i ve got a question [01:10] Thanks!!! Friends!! [01:10] i was just trying to write a dvd [01:10] my k3b program has been stuck [01:10] i try to kill it [01:10] anderson: :-) [01:10] but when i write ps [01:10] i see nothing related iwth k3b [01:10] i try to log out [01:10] but k3b does not let it [01:10] truefx: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [01:11] - /usr/bin/k3b does not let me log out [01:11] what am i supposed to do ? [01:11] any idea ? [01:11] killall k3b ? [01:12] let me try [01:12] Kill Kenny.... Kill Kenny ( A joke ) :P [01:12] ok its done [01:12] thx [01:12] but [01:12] why i cant list it with ps ? [01:12] and use kill -9 pid to kill it ? [01:13] now i cant eject my dvd :) [01:13] one more problem [01:13] I may be a neophyte [01:13] pardon my silllly questions [01:13] from windows 7 [01:13] :) [01:15] truefx: :) [01:15] sudo eject [01:16] i still cant eject [01:16] my dvd is captured there [01:16] :) [01:16] I cant take it out of there [01:17] :) [01:17] it doesnot work [01:17] u can try to unmount the dvd [01:17] truefx: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [01:17] truefx: you can try a lazy unmount [01:17] ok I will not use enter as a punctuation mark and I will try to write more question if it makes you happy [01:17] what does lazy unmount mean ? [01:18] how is my dvd write is unmounted * [01:18] sudo umount -l /dev//dvd && sudo eject /dev/dvd [01:19] /dev/dvd or /dev/dvdrw not mounted [01:20] when i write mount on konsole i cant see anything related with dvd [01:21] truefx: hmm ok [01:22] well try to do a "df -h" and you will see what is mounted.... [01:22] Daskreech:any idea ? [01:23] truefx: what's on mount? [01:28] I'm getting "KNetworkManager cannot start because the installation is misconigured" message after I upgraded to 10.04 [01:29] ringlej: Maybe it's misconfigured? [01:29] maybe there is a process that has "locked" the dvd.... but I dont know how to find out from the shell.... [01:29] http://paste.ubuntu.com/481676/ [01:30] its my mount [01:31] Daskreech: obviously. The message says that. I haven't touched anything regarding KNetworkManger since I upgraded. The next line says: "System DBUS policy does not allow it to provide user settings;" [01:31] truefx: Seems to be ok [01:32] ringlej: ick. Umm i'd move the .networkmanager directory as a first test [01:33] Daskreech: I don't have a ~/.networkmanager directory. Maybe that's the problem? [01:33] I created the directory and it didn't help [01:34] ringlej: do you have a ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagerc? [01:36] Daskreech: There is a networkmanagementrc in there (not networkmanagerc) [01:36] $ cat networkmanagementrc [01:36] [General] [01:36] Autostart=false [01:37] Sounds goodenough [01:37] what's in ~/.dbus ? [01:37] does kde sc 4.5 from backports repo work well? [01:37] or does it cause problems? [01:37] Daskreech: there is also a knetworkmanagerrc there too [01:38] $ cat knetworkmanagerrc [01:38] [General] [01:38] Version=0.2.2 [01:38] eww network manager. get wicd! [01:40] Daskreech: in ~/.dbus there is a session-bus dir only [01:41] and in the session-bus dir there are 3 files: c03de93800e53a7a7dd4b8414ab9a7c4-{0,10,2000} [01:42] Ok those should be ok [02:07] <`DT`> what is the command to start KDE from a command line boot? [02:08] startkde [02:09] <`DT`> "error 27: Unrecognized command" [02:10] <`DT`> i haven't run the computer if a while, and when i try to boot, it gives me "kernal panic -- attempting to kill the idle process" and does nothing [02:11] you might have to boot into an older kernel then [02:11] <`DT`> tried all of em, no dice [02:11] <`DT`> does a call trace, ends with "Code: Bad EIP value" [02:11] <`DT`> then i get the kernal panic - not syncing: attempted to kill process [02:11] might be time to check the memory then - is memtest in the grub menu? [02:12] <`DT`> i do'n't remember..lemme reboot [02:12] k [02:14] <`DT`> nope not there, possible memory issue then? [02:14] it could be it is hard to say - that's why the memtest would have been handy [02:14] it should be on a live cd if you have one [02:15] <`DT`> i don't, but considering i took all the ram out of this computer for another on and just shoved a few sticks in to fire up, it sound pretty likely it's the memory [02:16] try with one stick - don't mix brands or whatever [02:17] <`DT`> hrm i had a PC100 in with 2 PC133s [02:18] I've found diff brands can muck things up too [02:19] <`DT`> well i used to have three 128 sticks of different brands in there before [02:19] <`DT`> and it booted now [02:19] <`DT`> going to wait for it to go all the way through before attempting to add another stick [02:20] I did say "can " :] [02:20] woot! [02:21] `DT`: The order you put them in can matter [02:22] <`DT`> i was thinking that as well [02:34] <`DT`> stupid power button -_- [02:35] <`DT`> ok, putting the ram in order of 133, 133, 100 makes everything work [02:36] excellent to here :] [02:37] <`DT`> bet it's got like 9000 updates too [02:38] Windows? [02:38] <`DT`> kubuntu [02:38] <`DT`> it was my first kde box [02:39] <`DT`> i think it's 6.**? [02:39] <`DT`> hasn;t been turned on in about a year and half [02:40] `DT`: Any data on it you need [02:40] <`DT`> bunch of stuff [02:40] Where "need" means you don't since it's not been turned on for oodles of ages [02:40] <`DT`> and it won't run KDE4 [02:40] <`DT`> i've got alot of backed up info on it [02:41] Older machine? [02:42] <`DT`> yeah [02:42] <`DT`> old gateway desktop [02:42] <`DT`> maxes out at 380mb of ram [02:42] <`DT`> 392 [02:43] <`DT`> i think it's an AMD K5 [02:43] Wow I loved K5s :) [02:43] <`DT`> nope, Pentium 2 [02:43] Didn't like those as much :) [02:44] <`DT`> i know i had KDE on a K5 somewhere... [02:44] granted it was the first processor I've ever bought [02:44] <`DT`> it's a 397 [02:44] and all my friends came over to my house to see a Processor that was more than 200 Mhz and the crazy things you could do with it :) [02:44] hey....so u have 390M RAM and is running KDE..... which version ? [02:45] KDE3 [02:45] <`DT`> .... [02:45] .5 would be my guess [02:45] <`DT`> how does 3 128mb sticks equeal out to over 500mb of physical memory? [02:46] One of them is double sided? [02:46] <`DT`> KDE 3.5.10 [02:46] <`DT`> no, they are all single sided, 128 mb sticks [02:47] <`DT`> process manager says i have 392mb, which makes sense [02:47] <`DT`> K-Info saiy other wise [02:48] ok..... I need to install Linux in an "old" machine... like yours :) with probably same ammount of memory.... any Distro u guys can recommend ? Yes I will need some sort of Windows Manager .. Thanks [02:48] <`DT`> 6.10 [02:48] <`DT`> i suspect 7.10 and 8.04 will work as well [02:48] <`DT`> xubuntu of those same versions will probably be a little faster [02:49] DT, all right... thanks [02:49] <`DT`> i've actually run Xfce4 on a machine with only 100mb of ram [02:49] <`DT`> that was the K5, real old laptop [02:49] <`DT`> with a hard drive to big for the bios [02:49] XFCE...... nice light WM :) [02:50] <`DT`> everytime it lost power, it wiped out the MBR [02:50] :P [02:51] Hi guys. I just installed ubuntu 10.1 on my pc and basically every looked normal for a while but after a restart everything is huge. When I try to change the screen resolution it just expands the desktop to off the screen. Sound familiar to anyone? Can anyone help? [02:51] poseidon2010: What do you want to use the machinefor? [02:52] there's #ubuntu+1 for 10.10 wrigglesworth [02:52] thanx [02:52] Daskreech, Browse the Internet...... But I think it will die with Flash videos.... nothing major as compiling or things like that [02:53] and .deb people around? [02:53] poseidon2010: Flash kills my computer which is much newer. Flash needs to die :) [02:53] coteyr: Starting off a conversation with "And". nice [02:54] hehehe....sorry gotta go.... a lady is looking for me.... bye now.... and thanks.... [02:54] well nothing like a typo, but the question was clear; Any .deb people around need help building a simple package. [02:55] coteyr: too complex for checkinstall? [02:56] <`DT`> well, i am off for the night, tootles [02:56] <`DT`> and thanks for the help again ^_^ [02:56] tootles :] heh [02:56] Night [02:56] doesn't gdebi also build debs? [02:57] !deb [02:57] deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility. [02:57] !info gdebi [02:57] gdebi (source: gdebi): Simple tool to install deb files - GNOME GUI. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.0ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 32 kB, installed size 236 kB [02:57] maybe not [02:57] Daskreech; well its really really simple I have some config files that I need in palce on about 40 servers, so I build the package (http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/package.htm) but one of the configuration files is also installed by a nother package [02:57] basically I want to install a nagios.cfg file and a nagios_local.cfg file that is custom. [02:58] those two? [02:58] do they need versioning? [02:58] and do so on a bunch of machines, so in the controll file I added the dependencies and then the two files in the right place and when I try to install I get the error. [02:59] How do one version a cofig file in dev (they are versioned in my SCM but I don't think that is what you meant) [02:59] dev = deb [03:01] Just like any other deb [03:01] Number goes up and it becomes a new version :) [03:02] Ok but the config file is custom and I need it to replace a file from another package. [03:03] so the verion of my file is say 0.2 but I need it to replace the config file of nagios-nrpe-server 0:2.12-3ubuntu1 (in this case) [03:04] coteyr: ah I see [03:12] coteyr: why are you using debs to do this? [03:12] good fit [03:12] 40 server [03:12] all ubuntu [03:12] existing private repo [03:13] better then tar -xzf file.tgz and then manually installing the dependencies === root is now known as Guest13426 [03:18] there is [03:18] !clone [03:18] To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate [03:47] 有人吗 === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === Jack is now known as Guest70820 === Guest70820 is now known as ScottFree [06:29] ok this is proly such a newbie question but how do you change the wallpaper? === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [07:24] ok this is proly such a newbie question but how do you change the wallpaper? [08:29] ok this is proly such a newbie question but how do you change the wallpaper? === wisse is now known as teen_bella [08:30] hello? [08:30] \anyone? [08:46] Hello Everybody [08:46] dylan_hrayka: hi [08:47] dylan_hrayka: right click the descktop -> desktop settings :) [08:47] hi raddy [08:47] a thanx jussi [08:47] yw! [08:49] I am using the KDE 4.5 back port Lynx, [08:49] It appears Kopete has not been compiled with Jabber video support. === eric is now known as Guest56355 [08:49] Can anybody try to figure out whether my findings are correct? [08:50] raddy: 1 sec [08:50] okk [08:52] raddy: Im not sure. (cant see much at this second). perhaps its better to check in #kubuntu-devel [08:53] jussi: Ohh ok === ewoerner is now known as ewoerner|froscon === toby is now known as Guest63029 === codolio is now known as dolio === v3n``afk is now known as v3nd3tta`` [11:31] hola [11:39] hello peeps, how do i enable 5.1 sound i got this in stereo now and can't hear my front center? [12:20] hello [12:21] is there any project like ubuntu manual.org for kubuntu? [12:22] hello??? [12:23] anyone? [12:33] pulseaudio -D [12:33] E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. [12:36] nobody help me [12:38] hi [12:38] I m using kubuntu 10.04 [12:39] there was this automatic update feature [12:39] so I updated the files but [12:39] I ran out of HD space [12:39] and i went to sleep too [12:39] or to take a nap [12:39] so when iwoke up [12:39] there was this message that you have 0 hd space left [12:39] i dont remember exactly [12:40] and the computer was frozen so i had to use the restart key [12:40] now when kubuntu starts it gives me a login popup which it normally didnt give due to installation preferences [12:40] and when i enter the correct User/Pass [12:40] it loads for a second and then refuses [12:41] the login details are correct becasue i tried with incorrect un/pw and it didnt try to load anything in that case [12:41] but the console [12:41] there was 2 buttons [12:41] one of them allowed Console login [12:41] and so this works [12:41] and apparently also internet works and irsssi does [12:42] but idont know how to get the graphical desktop back or how to fix this [12:42] so anyone [12:42] ? [12:42] and i also removed a non-system package with sudo aptitude remove to get more freespace [12:42] that was 450mb approx [12:47] Anyone? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:52] i guess i'll have to reinstall this piece of crap OS again D: [12:53] Is theree anyway to do that without plugging the CD drive and the CD [12:53] like some repair installation feature [12:55] Hi guys. I'm running a Ubuntu 10.04 and want to switch it over to a KDE environment. Apparently kubuntu-desktop will do the job but is there a way to get rid of all the gnome stuff in a safe manner? I did a bit of searching and it seems most stuff concerning this issues is outdated or pretty hackish (or both). [12:55] Thanks [12:57] Why you want to switch to KDE? [12:57] Surunveri: your kde settings might be broken because they could not be saved correctly when the disk was full. [12:57] Surunveri: try moving away $HOME/.kde [12:58] mint_: Because I don't like the chubbiness of Gnome. Everything takes so much space and there's no theme that fixes it while not looking ugly. Also gnome is outdated tech imho. [13:00] dD0T: if all else fails you can go through the dependencies of ubuntu-desktop and uninstall any that aren't also dependencies of kubuntu-desktop [13:00] sorry [13:00] trywhat? [13:01] Torch: I guess this is what this guy did? http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde . Anyone tried those commands? [13:01] Surunveri: move away the directory $HOME/.kde [13:01] how do i do that [13:01] in the console [13:01] Surunveri: on a shell in your home dir, run "mv .kde .kde_bak" [13:02] ok how can i close irssi from the console to do that :D [13:02] Surunveri: "/quit" [13:02] Surunveri: you have more than one console though [13:02] ... [13:03] Ah well. It's a vm anyway. Might as well just give it a shot ;-) [13:03] dD0T: maybe. can't tell. also, terrible idea with the scroll bars so you can't really read it ;-) [13:04] ok i tried mv .kde .kde_bak [13:04] but nothing happened [13:04] Surunveri: you still cannot log in? [13:04] i tried logging in, didnt work [13:05] im not sure if it was in the correct folder [13:05] but there was no error message [13:05] Surunveri: then it should have worked [13:06] Surunveri: there's enough free space available? [13:06] there's at least 400mb after removing a package that took 400mb [13:08] i could get more space freed but i dont know the console commands for deleting folders [13:08] and trying del delete help and such didnt produce any hints on what they might be [13:09] Surunveri: you can check from the console with "df -h" how much free space is available. you don't have to quit irssi to do so, you can switch virtual consoles with alt+f1, alt+f2 and so on. [13:09] Surunveri: it's "rm" [13:09] according to this there's 334mb [13:10] Surunveri: you can also try to run "startkde" and see if that gets you somehwere or what error message it produces [13:10] $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the Xserevr [13:10] * Xserver [13:10] is the error message [13:11] Surunveri: nothing else but that single line? [13:11] nothing else [13:12] btw is there away to change the console fontsize [13:12] well.. that's not important [13:12] nevermidn [13:12] :D [13:12] is ther a way to fix the installation somehow [13:16] is there a console command for deleting files? [13:16] Surunveri: rm [13:16] Surunveri: rm -R deletes directories with content. But be careful with that one [13:17] ok [13:17] Surunveri: What did you even do to mess up your installation? ;-) [13:17] (not that it's particularily hard to do so, just curious) [13:18] there was a pop up 'you have X new updates' [13:18] and I was running low on HD space i didnt know how much exactly [13:18] but I didnt read into the content of the updates very much [13:18] apparently one of them was a Kernel Image update [13:18] and during the update HD space ran out [13:18] i was napping in the meanwhile [13:18] Surunveri: Ah. That's unfortunate. You'd think they'd check for such stuff [13:18] so when i woke up there was this popup message telling me that you have 0HD space left [13:19] yeah [13:19] the reason i musing linux in the first place is because my old HD died [13:19] and i havent bothered getting windows D: [13:19] but every now and then something happens [13:19] Surunveri: Tried to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to continue the installtion? Or is the host system not working at all? [13:19] I've been trying to ask questions about if there are such commands [13:20] :D [13:20] (maybe there's even a real continuation and cleanup command...but I don't know any out of the top of my head. Check manpages I guess^^) [13:20] neitherworks [13:20] or [13:20] i mean [13:20] the update works but [13:20] Surunveri: Eh well. Prefix sudo [13:20] unless you have a root shell that is [13:21] yea it doesnt work anyway [13:21] sudo apt-get update && sudo blabla [13:21] 0 new... [13:21] Surunveri: Ah. To bad. [13:21] so [13:21] Surunveri: So the system comes up but x does not? [13:21] i dont know exactly [13:21] dD0T: he says he cannot login in kdm. [13:22] Torch: KDM comes up? [13:22] dD0T: that's what i gathered, yes. [13:23] so what now [13:23] dpkg-reconfigure random stuff and if that doesn't help reinstall? I'm not that much of a linux guru ;-) [13:23] any ideas+ [13:23] Surunveri: You could try sudo apt-get check for the lolz [13:23] Surunveri: create a new users. try if you can log in with that new user. [13:24] h0w d0 i do that [13:24] Surunveri: man useradd [13:27] i dont know how to use that [13:27] Surunveri: use what? just run that command. it will show you the help ("man page") for the useradd command. [13:27] yeah [13:27] but i stil dotn knwo how [13:28] i'll ujst try to find the CD and see if there's an install repair function or whatever on it [13:28] Surunveri: I think you can just type useradd (maybe with a name after it) and it'll ask you for everything it needs [13:28] Surunveri: there is not. [13:29] so reinstall [13:29] ? [13:29] (unless I confuse it with adduser which I do all the time...who came up with this ***** naming) [13:29] Surunveri: I guess that might safe you some time if you didn't heavily customize the system [13:29] well yeah [13:29] i didnt heavily customize it [13:29] Surunveri: and you won't learn anything in the process. [13:29] but this does piss me off [13:29] D: [13:30] Torch: He wants to use his system I guess ;-) [13:30] yeah [13:30] Torch: Not much to learn if your time is burned away with you getting nowhere. [13:30] just an OS and not very good to my opinio neither [13:30] * Torch shrugs. [13:30] Surunveri: Be prepared to have such encounters from time to time when using linux (though most of them aren't that grave) [13:30] dunno when i had windows i thought it's crap. that changed as soon as i got this :D [13:31] Surunveri: Nah, 7 is actually pretty decent [13:31] yeah that's what I meant [13:31] in contrast it was a lot better [13:31] Surunveri: So was XP but it was getting old [13:31] xp worked fine indeed [13:31] * dD0T skipped Vista [13:32] well it's not like i made many any serious isntallations [13:32] :D [13:32] just hope i dont need to format the drive [13:32] But back @ topic: Linux is nice if you either want to do nothing with your system but a bit of surfing and text processing. Or if you are a real poweruser willing to dig in. But for the average users it won't usually be worth the trouble (sry guys^^) [13:33] yea i agree on that [13:33] mileage may vary of course. But that's my experience [13:33] D [13:33] :D [13:34] that's pretty much how i thought too [13:34] That said KDE 4.X really has come a long way and is a pretty decent desktop. If they'd manage to make it a coherent experience that would be great [13:35] biggest flaw of linux is that [13:35] windows was here first D: [13:35] so everything is made for windows first.. well almost everything [13:35] and since you basicly dont use the OS, it's justa neccesity for being able to use everything else [13:35] the fac that all programs are more available for win is a big factor [13:36] t [13:36] oh well [13:36] reinstall time :D [13:36] Surunveri: Sure. But it would also help if they didn't keep breaking stuff that already worked *audiocoughcough* But I think we should stop that discussion in here ;-) [13:36] Kinda offtoopic^^ === root is now known as Guest37397 [13:50] Oh. The current KDE has Aero Snap functionality setup and ready to go. Loving it already ;-) [13:51] Though I wonder: Is it normal that the fonts in the configuration dialogs are huuuge or is this kde getting confused by running in a vm that changes resolution from time to time? [13:52] dD0T: define huge? (screenshot?) === dan___ is now known as Dan_L [14:01] what's aero snap? [14:07] definitely broken :-( http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/6177/snapshot2f.png [14:08] I'll reboot and see if it makes things better [14:10] dD0t: there's definitely some queer going on there. [14:11] hi there === ubuntu is now known as kunterbuntbock [14:12] Dan_L: And it's reproducible. Boot in the vm. Everything is fine. Start aps. They look normal. Maximize the vm. Still everything looks right, deskop enlarges as expected. Open a new app: Font sizes completely off [14:13]