[00:09] <Daskreech> Is it always this quiet?
[00:12] <well_laid_lawn> this time of the week it is mostly
[00:13] <Daskreech> well_laid_lawn: Saturday?
[00:15] <well_laid_lawn> more like early sun morning I guess
[00:15] <well_laid_lawn> it's 9am sun here
[00:19] <Daskreech> nice. where is here?
[00:25] <well_laid_lawn> Australia - you?
[00:26] <Daskreech> Jamaica
[00:26] <poseidon2010> Peru
[00:26] <well_laid_lawn> heh - the other side of the world :]
[00:26] <Daskreech> Yes :)
[00:28] <Daskreech> hi Ludacris
[00:29] <Daskreech> well_laid_lawn: Aussies seem to have a fairly high tech threshold
[00:29] <well_laid_lawn> our gov had a push to make us the "smart nation" - seems to slowly be working
[00:30] <Ludacris> Daskreech: hey
[00:31] <Daskreech> well_laid_lawn: or Govt had a push. then they couldn't be bothered to keep pushing the push. Seems to be bearing fruit :)
[00:32] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[00:37] <CoJaBo> Is it possible to disable the fade effect when using a slideshow as desktop background? It freezes my computer for several seconds every time the background changes.
[00:37] <Ludacris> whats better Kubuntu or Ubuntu?
[00:38] <well_laid_lawn> it's a matter of taste - kde usage some more resources then gnome
[00:38] <Daskreech> Ludacris: which do you like better?
[00:38] <CoJaBo> Ludacris: The only difference is Kubuntu uses KDE, Ubuntu uses GNOME. I like KDE better :P
[00:38] <CoJaBo> Lots better. GNOME reminds me of Win98. Ick.
[00:39] <Daskreech> CoJaBo: Think so. Never tried. Jump into #plasma and ask
[00:39] <Ludacris> I use Ubuntu and I don't know the differences other than KDE and Gnome
[00:39] <Daskreech> Ludacris: there is none besides that :)
[00:39] <Ludacris> oh
[00:39] <Ludacris> cool
[00:39] <Ludacris> so is it the same with Xubuntu
[00:39] <well_laid_lawn> kde has it's own apps like kopete for messaging etc
[00:39] <Ludacris> I use Choqok and its for KDE
[00:40] <Daskreech> Ludacris: so which ever you like using better. It's generally accepted that Gnome is more streamlined but less configurable and KDE is a little less polished but much more willing to bend to the users wishes
[00:40] <CoJaBo> Ludacris: Xubuntu uses XFCE, which is very buggy- I'd stay away from it.
[00:40] <Ludacris> cool thx for explaining
[00:40] <Daskreech> CoJaBo: Down boy
[00:41] <Daskreech> Ludacris: You can of course use XFCE if you like :)
[00:41] <James147> Ludacris: the only difference between ubuntu variants are the packages that are installed by default... kubuntu uses kde but you can easily install gnome alongside kde
[00:41] <Ludacris> well g2g to a restaurant bye guys
[00:41] <CoJaBo> Ludacris: Of course, thats only my experiance- XFCE is intended to be minimalist, but it loaks memory like a firehose for me.
[00:41] <CoJaBo> leaks
[00:52] <Daskreech> rekonq is going to be default moving forward from Kubuntu?
[00:58] <anderson> What is the channel Kubuntu Brazil?
[01:01] <anderson> Please!!! I'm complete lost!!! Help!!!
[01:01] <Tm_T> !br | anderson
[01:01] <poseidon2010> is there   a Kubuntu Brazil channel ?
[01:02] <poseidon2010> ohhhh there is one :P
[01:02] <anderson> I don't speak english!!!
[01:03] <poseidon2010> Fair  enough, I dont  speak  portuguese
[01:05] <Daskreech> !br
[01:05] <Daskreech> anderson: ^^^
[01:10] <truefx> hi guys
[01:10] <truefx> i ve got a question
[01:10] <anderson> Thanks!!! Friends!!
[01:10] <truefx> i was just trying to write a dvd
[01:10] <truefx> my k3b program has been stuck
[01:10] <truefx> i try to kill it
[01:10] <Daskreech> anderson: :-)
[01:10] <truefx> but when i write ps
[01:10] <truefx> i see nothing related iwth k3b
[01:10] <truefx> i try to log out
[01:10] <truefx> but k3b does not let it
[01:10] <FloodBotK3> truefx: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:11] <truefx> -  /usr/bin/k3b does not let me log out
[01:11] <truefx> what  am i supposed to do ?
[01:11] <truefx> any idea ?
[01:11] <Daskreech> killall k3b ?
[01:12] <truefx> let me try
[01:12] <poseidon2010> Kill Kenny.... Kill Kenny  ( A joke ) :P
[01:12] <truefx> ok its done
[01:12] <truefx> thx
[01:12] <truefx> but
[01:12] <truefx> why i cant list it with ps ?
[01:12] <truefx> and use kill -9 pid to kill it ?
[01:13] <truefx> now i cant eject my dvd :)
[01:13] <truefx> one more problem
[01:13] <truefx> I may be a neophyte
[01:13] <truefx> pardon my silllly questions
[01:13] <truefx> from windows 7
[01:13] <truefx> :)
[01:15] <Daskreech> truefx: :)
[01:15] <Daskreech> sudo eject
[01:16] <truefx> i still cant eject
[01:16] <truefx> my dvd is captured there
[01:16] <truefx> :)
[01:16] <truefx> I cant take it out of there
[01:17] <truefx> :)
[01:17] <truefx> it doesnot work
[01:17] <poseidon2010> u can  try  to unmount the dvd
[01:17] <FloodBotK3> truefx: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:17] <Daskreech> truefx: you can try a lazy unmount
[01:17] <truefx> ok I will not use enter as a punctuation mark and I will try to write more question if it makes you happy
[01:17] <truefx> what does lazy unmount mean ?
[01:18] <truefx> how is my dvd write is unmounted *
[01:18] <Daskreech> sudo umount -l /dev//dvd && sudo eject /dev/dvd
[01:19] <truefx>   /dev/dvd or /dev/dvdrw not mounted
[01:20] <truefx> when i write mount on konsole i cant see anything related with dvd
[01:21] <Daskreech> truefx: hmm ok
[01:22] <poseidon2010> well try to do a "df -h" and you will see what is mounted....
[01:22] <truefx> Daskreech:any idea ?
[01:23] <Daskreech> truefx: what's on mount?
[01:28] <ringlej> I'm getting "KNetworkManager cannot start because the installation is misconigured" message after I upgraded to 10.04
[01:29] <Daskreech> ringlej: Maybe it's misconfigured?
[01:29] <poseidon2010> maybe there is a process that has "locked"  the dvd.... but I dont know how to find out from the shell....
[01:29] <truefx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/481676/
[01:30] <truefx> its my mount
[01:31] <ringlej> Daskreech: obviously. The message says that. I haven't touched anything regarding KNetworkManger since I upgraded. The next line says: "System DBUS policy does not allow it to provide user settings;"
[01:31] <Daskreech> truefx: Seems to be ok
[01:32] <Daskreech> ringlej: ick. Umm i'd move the .networkmanager directory as a first test
[01:33] <ringlej> Daskreech: I don't have a ~/.networkmanager directory. Maybe that's the problem?
[01:33] <ringlej> I created the directory and it didn't help
[01:34] <Daskreech> ringlej: do you have a ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagerc?
[01:36] <ringlej> Daskreech: There is a networkmanagementrc in there (not networkmanagerc)
[01:36] <ringlej> $ cat networkmanagementrc
[01:36] <ringlej> [General]
[01:36] <ringlej> Autostart=false
[01:37] <Daskreech> Sounds goodenough
[01:37] <Daskreech> what's in ~/.dbus ?
[01:37] <jschall> does kde sc 4.5 from backports repo work well?
[01:37] <jschall> or does it cause problems?
[01:37] <ringlej> Daskreech: there is also a knetworkmanagerrc there too
[01:38] <ringlej> $ cat knetworkmanagerrc
[01:38] <ringlej> [General]
[01:38] <ringlej> Version=0.2.2
[01:38] <jschall> eww network manager. get wicd!
[01:40] <ringlej> Daskreech: in ~/.dbus there is a session-bus dir only
[01:41] <ringlej> and in the session-bus dir there are 3 files: c03de93800e53a7a7dd4b8414ab9a7c4-{0,10,2000}
[01:42] <Daskreech> Ok those should be ok
[02:07] <`DT`> what is the command to start KDE from a command line boot?
[02:08] <well_laid_lawn> startkde
[02:09] <`DT`> "error 27: Unrecognized command"
[02:10] <`DT`> i haven't run the computer if a while, and when i try to boot, it gives me "kernal panic -- attempting to kill the idle process" and does nothing
[02:11] <well_laid_lawn> you might have to boot into an older kernel then
[02:11] <`DT`> tried all of em, no dice
[02:11] <`DT`> does a call trace, ends with "Code: Bad EIP value"
[02:11] <`DT`> then i get the kernal panic - not syncing: attempted to kill process
[02:11] <well_laid_lawn> might be time to check the memory then - is memtest in the grub menu?
[02:12] <`DT`> i do'n't remember..lemme reboot
[02:12] <well_laid_lawn> k
[02:14] <`DT`> nope not there, possible memory issue then?
[02:14] <well_laid_lawn> it could be it is hard to say - that's why the memtest would have been handy
[02:14] <well_laid_lawn> it should be on a live cd if you have one
[02:15] <`DT`> i don't, but considering i took all the ram out of this computer for another on and just shoved a few sticks in to fire up, it sound pretty likely it's the memory
[02:16] <well_laid_lawn> try with one stick - don't mix brands or whatever
[02:17] <`DT`> hrm i had a PC100 in with 2 PC133s
[02:18] <well_laid_lawn> I've found diff brands can muck things up too
[02:19] <`DT`> well i used to have three 128 sticks of different brands in there before
[02:19] <`DT`> and it booted now
[02:19] <`DT`> going to wait for it to go all the way through before attempting to add another stick
[02:20] <well_laid_lawn> I did say "can " :]
[02:20] <well_laid_lawn> woot!
[02:21] <Daskreech> `DT`: The order you put them in can matter
[02:22] <`DT`> i was thinking that as well
[02:34] <`DT`> stupid power button -_-
[02:35] <`DT`> ok, putting the ram in order of 133, 133, 100 makes everything work
[02:36] <well_laid_lawn> excellent to here :]
[02:37] <`DT`> bet it's got like 9000 updates too
[02:38] <Daskreech> Windows?
[02:38] <`DT`> kubuntu
[02:38] <`DT`> it was my first kde box
[02:39] <`DT`> i think it's 6.**?
[02:39] <`DT`> hasn;t been turned on in about a year and half
[02:40] <Daskreech> `DT`: Any data on it you need
[02:40] <`DT`> bunch of stuff
[02:40] <Daskreech> Where "need" means you don't since it's not been turned on for oodles of ages
[02:40] <`DT`> and it won't run KDE4
[02:40] <`DT`> i've got alot of backed up info on it
[02:41] <Daskreech> Older machine?
[02:42] <`DT`> yeah
[02:42] <`DT`> old gateway desktop
[02:42] <`DT`> maxes out at 380mb of ram
[02:42] <`DT`> 392
[02:43] <`DT`> i think it's an AMD K5
[02:43] <Daskreech> Wow I loved K5s :)
[02:43] <`DT`> nope, Pentium 2
[02:43] <Daskreech> Didn't like those as much :)
[02:44] <`DT`> i know i had KDE on a K5 somewhere...
[02:44] <Daskreech> granted it was the first processor I've ever bought
[02:44] <`DT`> it's a 397
[02:44] <Daskreech>  and all my friends came over to my house to see a Processor that was more than 200 Mhz and the crazy things you could do with it :)
[02:44] <poseidon2010> hey....so u have 390M RAM  and is running KDE..... which version ?
[02:45] <Daskreech> KDE3
[02:45] <`DT`> ....
[02:45] <Daskreech> .5 would be my guess
[02:45] <`DT`> how does 3 128mb sticks equeal out to over 500mb of physical memory?
[02:46] <Daskreech> One of them is double sided?
[02:46] <`DT`> KDE 3.5.10
[02:46] <`DT`> no, they are all single sided, 128 mb sticks
[02:47] <`DT`> process manager says i have 392mb, which makes sense
[02:47] <`DT`> K-Info saiy other wise
[02:48] <poseidon2010> ok..... I need to install Linux in an "old" machine... like yours :) with probably same ammount of memory.... any Distro u  guys can  recommend ? Yes I will need some  sort of Windows Manager .. Thanks
[02:48] <`DT`> 6.10
[02:48] <`DT`> i suspect 7.10 and 8.04 will work as well
[02:48] <`DT`> xubuntu of those same versions will probably be a little faster
[02:49] <poseidon2010> DT, all right... thanks
[02:49] <`DT`> i've actually run Xfce4 on a machine with only 100mb of ram
[02:49] <`DT`> that was the K5, real old laptop
[02:49] <`DT`> with a hard drive to big for the bios
[02:49] <poseidon2010> XFCE...... nice light WM :)
[02:50] <`DT`> everytime it lost power, it wiped out the MBR
[02:50] <poseidon2010> :P
[02:51] <wrigglesworth> Hi guys. I just installed ubuntu 10.1 on my pc and basically every looked normal for a while but after a restart everything is huge. When I try to change the screen resolution it just expands the desktop to off the screen. Sound familiar to anyone? Can anyone help?
[02:51] <Daskreech> poseidon2010: What do you want to use the machinefor?
[02:52] <well_laid_lawn> there's #ubuntu+1 for 10.10 wrigglesworth
[02:52] <wrigglesworth> thanx
[02:52] <poseidon2010> Daskreech, Browse the Internet...... But I think it will die with  Flash videos.... nothing major as compiling or things like that
[02:53] <coteyr> and .deb people around?
[02:53] <Daskreech> poseidon2010: Flash kills my computer which is much newer. Flash needs to die :)
[02:53] <Daskreech> coteyr: Starting off a conversation with "And". nice
[02:54] <poseidon2010> hehehe....sorry gotta go.... a lady is looking for me.... bye now.... and thanks....
[02:54] <coteyr> well nothing like a typo, but the question was clear; Any .deb people around need help building a simple package.
[02:55] <Daskreech> coteyr: too complex for checkinstall?
[02:56] <`DT`> well, i am off for the night, tootles
[02:56] <`DT`> and thanks for the help again ^_^
[02:56] <well_laid_lawn> tootles :] heh
[02:56] <Daskreech> Night
[02:56] <well_laid_lawn> doesn't gdebi also build debs?
[02:57] <well_laid_lawn> !deb
[02:57] <well_laid_lawn> !info gdebi
[02:57] <well_laid_lawn> maybe not
[02:57] <coteyr> Daskreech; well its really really simple I have some config files that I need in palce on about 40 servers, so I build the package (http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/package.htm) but one of the configuration files is also installed by a nother package
[02:57] <coteyr> basically I want to install a nagios.cfg file and a nagios_local.cfg file that is custom.
[02:58] <Daskreech> those two?
[02:58] <Daskreech> do they need versioning?
[02:58] <coteyr> and do so on a bunch of machines, so  in the controll file I added the dependencies and then the two files in the right place and when I try to install I get the error.
[02:59] <coteyr> How do one version a cofig file in dev (they are versioned in my SCM but I don't think that is what you meant)
[02:59] <coteyr> dev = deb
[03:01] <Daskreech> Just like any other deb
[03:01] <Daskreech>  Number goes up and it becomes a new version :)
[03:02] <coteyr> Ok but the config file is custom and I need it to replace a file from another package.
[03:03] <coteyr> so the verion of my file is say 0.2 but I need it to replace the config file of nagios-nrpe-server 0:2.12-3ubuntu1 (in this case)
[03:04] <Daskreech> coteyr: ah I see
[03:12] <Daskreech> coteyr: why are you using debs to do this?
[03:12] <coteyr> good fit
[03:12] <coteyr> 40 server
[03:12] <coteyr> all ubuntu
[03:12] <coteyr> existing private repo
[03:13] <coteyr> better then tar -xzf file.tgz and then manually installing the dependencies
[03:18] <well_laid_lawn> there is
[03:18] <well_laid_lawn> !clone
[03:47] <taozhiwei> 有人吗
[06:29] <dylan_hrayka> ok this is proly such a newbie question but how do you change the wallpaper?
[07:24] <dylan_hrayka> ok this is proly such a newbie question but how do you change the wallpaper?
[08:29] <dylan_hrayka> ok this is proly such a newbie question but how do you change the wallpaper?
[08:30] <dylan_hrayka> hello?
[08:30] <dylan_hrayka> \anyone?
[08:46] <raddy> Hello Everybody
[08:46] <jussi> dylan_hrayka: hi
[08:47] <jussi> dylan_hrayka: right click the descktop -> desktop settings :)
[08:47] <jussi> hi raddy
[08:47] <dylan_hrayka> a thanx jussi
[08:47] <jussi> yw!
[08:49] <raddy> I am using the KDE 4.5 back port Lynx,
[08:49] <raddy> It appears Kopete has not been compiled with Jabber video support.
[08:49] <raddy> Can anybody try to figure out whether my findings are correct?
[08:50] <jussi> raddy: 1 sec
[08:50] <raddy> okk
[08:52] <jussi> raddy: Im not sure. (cant see much at this second). perhaps its better to check in #kubuntu-devel
[08:53] <raddy> jussi: Ohh ok
[11:31] <PhamtomF4> hola
[11:39] <wilhart> hello peeps, how do i enable 5.1 sound i got this in stereo now and can't hear my front center?
[12:20] <abhijit> hello
[12:21] <abhijit> is there any project like ubuntu manual.org for kubuntu?
[12:22] <abhijit> hello???
[12:23] <abhijit> anyone?
[12:33] <wilhart> pulseaudio -D
[12:33] <wilhart> E: main.c: Daemon startup failed.
[12:36] <wilhart> nobody help me
[12:38] <Surunveri> hi
[12:38] <Surunveri> I m using kubuntu 10.04
[12:39] <Surunveri> there  was this automatic update feature
[12:39] <Surunveri> so I updated the files but
[12:39] <Surunveri> I ran out of HD space
[12:39] <Surunveri> and i went to sleep too
[12:39] <Surunveri> or to take a nap
[12:39] <Surunveri> so when iwoke up
[12:39] <Surunveri> there was this message that you have 0 hd space left
[12:39] <Surunveri> i dont remember exactly
[12:40] <Surunveri> and the computer was frozen so i had to use the restart key
[12:40] <Surunveri> now when kubuntu starts it gives me a login popup which it normally didnt give due to installation preferences
[12:40] <Surunveri> and when i enter the correct User/Pass
[12:40] <Surunveri> it loads for a second and then refuses
[12:41] <Surunveri> the login details are correct becasue i tried with incorrect un/pw and it didnt try to load anything  in that case
[12:41] <Surunveri> but the console
[12:41] <Surunveri> there was 2 buttons
[12:41] <Surunveri> one of them allowed Console login
[12:41] <Surunveri> and so this works
[12:41] <Surunveri> and apparently also internet works and irsssi does
[12:42] <Surunveri> but idont know how to get the graphical desktop back or how to fix this
[12:42] <Surunveri> so anyone
[12:42] <Surunveri> ?
[12:42] <Surunveri> and i also removed a non-system package with sudo aptitude remove to get more freespace
[12:42] <Surunveri> that was 450mb approx
[12:47] <Surunveri> Anyone?
[12:52] <Surunveri> i guess i'll have to reinstall this piece of crap OS again D:
[12:53] <Surunveri> Is theree anyway to do that without plugging the CD    drive and the CD
[12:53] <Surunveri> like some repair installation feature
[12:55] <dD0T> Hi guys. I'm running a Ubuntu 10.04 and want to switch it over to a KDE environment. Apparently kubuntu-desktop will do the job but is there a way to get rid of all the gnome stuff in a safe manner? I did a bit of searching and it seems most stuff concerning this issues is outdated or pretty hackish (or both).
[12:55] <dD0T> Thanks
[12:57] <mint_> Why you want to switch to KDE?
[12:57] <Torch> Surunveri: your kde settings might be broken because they could not be saved correctly when the disk was full.
[12:57] <Torch> Surunveri: try moving away $HOME/.kde
[12:58] <dD0T> mint_: Because I don't like the chubbiness of Gnome. Everything takes so much space and there's no theme that fixes it while not looking ugly. Also gnome is outdated tech imho.
[13:00] <Torch> dD0T: if all else fails you can go through the dependencies of ubuntu-desktop and uninstall any that aren't also dependencies of kubuntu-desktop
[13:00] <Surunveri> sorry
[13:00] <Surunveri> trywhat?
[13:01] <dD0T> Torch: I guess this is what this guy did? http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde . Anyone tried those commands?
[13:01] <Torch> Surunveri: move away the directory $HOME/.kde
[13:01] <Surunveri> how do i do that
[13:01] <Surunveri> in the console
[13:01] <Torch> Surunveri: on a shell in your home dir, run "mv .kde .kde_bak"
[13:02] <Surunveri> ok how can i close irssi from the console to do that :D
[13:02] <Torch> Surunveri: "/quit"
[13:02] <Torch> Surunveri: you have more than one console though
[13:02] <Torch> ...
[13:03] <dD0T> Ah well. It's a vm anyway. Might as well just give it a shot ;-)
[13:03] <Torch> dD0T: maybe. can't tell. also, terrible idea with the scroll bars so you can't really read it ;-)
[13:04] <Surunveri> ok i tried mv .kde .kde_bak
[13:04] <Surunveri> but nothing happened
[13:04] <Torch> Surunveri: you still cannot log in?
[13:04] <Surunveri> i tried logging in, didnt work
[13:05] <Surunveri> im not sure if it was in the correct folder
[13:05] <Surunveri> but there was no error message
[13:05] <Torch> Surunveri: then it should have worked
[13:06] <Torch> Surunveri: there's enough free space available?
[13:06] <Surunveri> there's at least 400mb after removing a package that took 400mb
[13:08] <Surunveri> i could get more space freed but i dont know the console commands for deleting folders
[13:08] <Surunveri> and trying del delete help and such didnt produce any hints on what they might be
[13:09] <Torch> Surunveri: you can check from the console with "df -h" how much free space is available. you don't have to quit irssi to do so, you can switch virtual consoles with alt+f1, alt+f2 and so on.
[13:09] <Torch> Surunveri: it's "rm"
[13:09] <Surunveri> according to this there's 334mb
[13:10] <Torch> Surunveri: you can also try to run "startkde" and see if that gets you somehwere or what error message it produces
[13:10] <Surunveri> $DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the Xserevr
[13:10] <Surunveri> * Xserver
[13:10] <Surunveri> is  the error message
[13:11] <Torch> Surunveri: nothing else but that single line?
[13:11] <Surunveri> nothing else
[13:12] <Surunveri> btw is there away to change the console fontsize
[13:12] <Surunveri> well.. that's not important
[13:12] <Surunveri> nevermidn
[13:12] <Surunveri> :D
[13:12] <Surunveri> is ther a way to fix the installation somehow
[13:16] <Surunveri> is there a console command for deleting files?
[13:16] <dD0T> Surunveri: rm
[13:16] <dD0T> Surunveri: rm -R deletes directories with content. But be careful with that one
[13:17] <Surunveri> ok
[13:17] <dD0T> Surunveri: What did you even do to mess up your installation? ;-)
[13:17] <dD0T> (not that it's particularily hard to do so, just curious)
[13:18] <Surunveri> there was a pop up 'you have X new updates'
[13:18] <Surunveri> and I was running low on HD space i didnt know how much exactly
[13:18] <Surunveri> but I didnt read into the content of the updates very much
[13:18] <Surunveri> apparently one of them was a Kernel Image update
[13:18] <Surunveri> and during the update HD space ran out
[13:18] <Surunveri> i was napping in the meanwhile
[13:18] <dD0T> Surunveri: Ah. That's unfortunate. You'd think they'd check for such stuff
[13:18] <Surunveri> so when i woke up there was this popup message telling me that you have 0HD space left
[13:19] <Surunveri> yeah
[13:19] <Surunveri> the reason i musing linux in the first place is because my old HD died
[13:19] <Surunveri> and i havent bothered getting windows D:
[13:19] <Surunveri> but every now and then something happens
[13:19] <dD0T> Surunveri: Tried to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to continue the installtion? Or is the host system not working at all?
[13:19] <Surunveri> I've been trying to ask questions about if there are such commands
[13:20] <Surunveri> :D
[13:20] <dD0T> (maybe there's even a real continuation and cleanup command...but I don't know any out of the top of my head. Check manpages I guess^^)
[13:20] <Surunveri> neitherworks
[13:20] <Surunveri> or
[13:20] <Surunveri> i mean
[13:20] <Surunveri> the update works but
[13:20] <dD0T> Surunveri: Eh well. Prefix sudo
[13:20] <dD0T> unless you have a root shell that is
[13:21] <Surunveri> yea it doesnt work anyway
[13:21] <dD0T> sudo apt-get update && sudo blabla
[13:21] <Surunveri> 0 new...
[13:21] <dD0T> Surunveri: Ah. To bad.
[13:21] <Surunveri> so
[13:21] <dD0T> Surunveri: So the system comes up but x does not?
[13:21] <Surunveri> i dont know exactly
[13:21] <Torch> dD0T: he says he cannot login in kdm.
[13:22] <dD0T> Torch: KDM comes up?
[13:22] <Torch> dD0T: that's what i gathered, yes.
[13:23] <Surunveri> so what now
[13:23] <dD0T> dpkg-reconfigure random stuff and if that doesn't help reinstall? I'm not that much of a linux guru ;-)
[13:23] <Surunveri> any ideas+
[13:23] <dD0T> Surunveri: You could try sudo apt-get check for the lolz
[13:23] <Torch> Surunveri: create a new users. try if you can log in with that new user.
[13:24] <Surunveri> h0w d0 i do that
[13:24] <Torch> Surunveri: man useradd
[13:27] <Surunveri> i dont know how to use that
[13:27] <Torch> Surunveri: use what? just run that command. it will show you the help ("man page") for the useradd command.
[13:27] <Surunveri> yeah
[13:27] <Surunveri> but i stil dotn knwo how
[13:28] <Surunveri> i'll ujst try to find the CD and see if there's an install repair function or whatever on it
[13:28] <dD0T> Surunveri: I think you can just type useradd (maybe with a name after it) and it'll ask you for everything it needs
[13:28] <Torch> Surunveri: there is not.
[13:29] <Surunveri> so reinstall
[13:29] <Surunveri> ?
[13:29] <dD0T> (unless I confuse it with adduser which I do all the time...who came up with this ***** naming)
[13:29] <dD0T> Surunveri: I guess that might safe you some time if you didn't heavily customize the system
[13:29] <Surunveri> well yeah
[13:29] <Surunveri> i didnt heavily customize it
[13:29] <Torch> Surunveri: and you won't learn anything in the process.
[13:29] <Surunveri> but this does piss me off
[13:29] <Surunveri> D:
[13:30] <dD0T> Torch: He wants to use his system I guess ;-)
[13:30] <Surunveri> yeah
[13:30] <dD0T> Torch: Not much to learn if your time is burned away with you getting nowhere.
[13:30] <Surunveri> just an OS and not very good to my opinio neither
[13:30]  * Torch shrugs.
[13:30] <dD0T> Surunveri: Be prepared to have such encounters from time to time when using linux (though most of them aren't that grave)
[13:30] <Surunveri> dunno when i had windows i thought it's crap. that changed as soon as i got this :D
[13:31] <dD0T> Surunveri: Nah, 7 is actually pretty decent
[13:31] <Surunveri> yeah that's what I meant
[13:31] <Surunveri> in contrast it was a lot better
[13:31] <dD0T> Surunveri: So was XP but it was getting old
[13:31] <Surunveri> xp worked fine indeed
[13:31]  * dD0T skipped Vista
[13:32] <Surunveri> well it's not like i made many any serious isntallations
[13:32] <Surunveri> :D
[13:32] <Surunveri> just hope i dont need to format the drive
[13:32] <dD0T> But back @ topic: Linux is nice if you either want to do nothing with your system but a bit of surfing and text processing. Or if you are a real poweruser willing to dig in. But for the average users it won't usually be worth the trouble (sry guys^^)
[13:33] <Surunveri> yea i agree on that
[13:33] <dD0T> mileage may vary of course. But that's my experience
[13:33] <Surunveri> D
[13:33] <Surunveri> :D
[13:34] <Surunveri> that's pretty much how i thought too
[13:34] <dD0T> That said KDE 4.X really has come a long way and is a pretty decent desktop. If they'd manage to make it a coherent experience that would be great
[13:35] <Surunveri> biggest flaw of linux is that
[13:35] <Surunveri> windows was here first D:
[13:35] <Surunveri> so everything is made for windows first.. well almost everything
[13:35] <Surunveri> and since you basicly dont use the OS, it's justa  neccesity for being able to use everything else
[13:35] <Surunveri> the fac that all programs are more available for win is a big factor
[13:36] <Surunveri> t
[13:36] <Surunveri> oh well
[13:36] <Surunveri> reinstall time :D
[13:36] <dD0T> Surunveri: Sure. But it would also help if they didn't keep breaking stuff that already worked *audiocoughcough* But I think we should stop that discussion in here ;-)
[13:36] <dD0T> Kinda offtoopic^^
[13:50] <dD0T> Oh. The current KDE has Aero Snap functionality setup and ready to go. Loving it already ;-)
[13:51] <dD0T> Though I wonder: Is it normal that the fonts in the configuration dialogs are huuuge or is this kde getting confused by running in a vm that changes resolution from time to time?
[13:52] <jussi> dD0T: define huge? (screenshot?)
[14:01] <Dan_L> what's aero snap?
[14:07] <dD0T> definitely broken :-( http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/6177/snapshot2f.png
[14:08] <dD0T> I'll reboot and see if it makes things better
[14:10] <Dan_L> dD0t:  there's definitely some queer going on there.
[14:11] <ubuntu> hi there
[14:12] <dD0T> Dan_L: And it's reproducible. Boot in the vm. Everything is fine. Start aps. They look normal. Maximize the vm. Still everything looks right, deskop enlarges as expected. Open a new app: Font sizes completely off
[14:13] <dD0T> Seems it's getting the dpis wrong...fixing them to 120 works.
[14:13] <dD0T> But that's not like it's supposed to work...
[14:13] <Dan_L> dDot:  what are you using for the VM?
[14:14] <Dan_L> dd0t: rather
[14:14] <Dan_L> do you have compsoting enabled?
[14:18] <dD0T> Dan_L: No compositing afaik. glxinfo says I have direct rendering available though
[14:22] <niteye> i deleted my swap partition and created (and then activated) a new one, everything goes great except that hibernate (suspend to disk) doesnt work, it does some stuff and then shuts down but when rebooting it just does a normal boot instead
[14:28] <cookie> dos anyone know any software that lets you view your mobile broadband signal?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:30] <dD0T> Seems like this issue is pretty old....I guess I'll just force the dpis then if it won't get fixed :-)
[14:36] <paddywang> Hey anyone is free to answer me one question please?
[14:37] <paddywang> How to patch the whole directory using the patch command?
[14:44] <ganeshp> hi, i have upgraded my kubuntu lucid amd64 with KDE 4.5 yesterday. Everything is working fine, except while applications run as root user, their looks are obsolete.  Not sure how to fix them. Kindly advise.
[14:49] <surunveri> :D
[14:49] <BluesKaj> ganeshp, yeah , if you check some of those apps are probly gtk , not kde
[14:49] <surunveri> reinstalled kubuntu
[14:49] <ganeshp> for example when I run kdisk partitioner, or kuser these use to run fine with original kubuntu installation.
[14:50] <surunveri> sudo aptitude install firefox
[14:50] <surunveri> ops
[14:50] <surunveri> wrong window :D
[14:51] <surunveri> which reminds how to install java.. i forgot it twas something java.sun or similiar
[14:55] <surunveri> anyone ?/
[14:55] <BluesKaj> ganeshp, I don't see kdisk listed in the default apps
[14:57] <BluesKaj> but I do KDE partition manager, and right it does have datred "look " :(
[14:57] <ganeshp> BluesKaj, I believe it is part of standard KDE.  Just now I checked the application name and that is partitionmanager.  When I run this as myself as user, it works just fine.  My problem is only with root user :(
[14:58] <BluesKaj> so you have  ultiple users and you're the admin ?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> err multiple
[14:59] <BluesKaj> just wondering why you run them as root
[14:59] <ganeshp> yeah, I have three users. And I do run few apps using kdesudo, when I run any application with kdesudo, I face this gui problem
[14:59] <surunveri> hi sorry.. I remember installing java was something like 'sudo aptitude install default-java6-jre'
[14:59] <surunveri> but icant remember what the line was
[14:59] <BluesKaj> are you running all apps from the run box ?
[14:59] <surunveri> so..anyone know ? im using kubuntu 10.04
[15:00] <ganeshp> BluesKaj, ok few applications such as partitionmanager or apt-get clean etc wont run without root priviledges.
[15:00] <ganeshp> yes
[15:00] <ganeshp> BluesKaj, I also tried running applications as root from Konsole.  results were identical
[15:01] <BluesKaj> ganeshp, but it's just graphics you find annoying , that otherwise the apps all run ok ?
[15:02] <ganeshp> BluesKaj, you are right. There was no issue other than graphics.  Everything else worked just fine.
[15:02] <najla> anybody can help me??
[15:03] <najla> how can i get indonesian channel??
[15:03] <BluesKaj> ganeshp, I think the issue will be solved soon , kde4.5 is still in dev
[15:04] <ganeshp> BluesKaj, alright then. I will wait for a month or two more.  Thanks for your time & attention.
[15:07] <glaucous> Is it possible to write zeros to drive with KDE Partition Manager?
[15:08] <glaucous> Okay you can do that with shred, never mind
[15:09] <surunveri> hey
[15:09] <surunveri> anyone know how to install java on kubuntu 10.04
[15:14] <surunveri> i should've written it down somewhere 0|
[15:16] <BluesKaj> !java | surunveri
[15:17] <surunveri> !Java
[15:17] <surunveri> ok
[15:17] <surunveri> what is lucid and how od i check partner repository
[15:17] <surunveri> and what does multiverse repository mean
[15:18] <surunveri> im sorry i dont get it :<
[15:18] <BluesKaj> lucid is the latest (k)ubuntu release
[15:19] <BluesKaj> !repository | surunveri
[15:19] <surunveri> ok but i'd just liek to isntall java
[15:19] <surunveri> :D
[15:20] <surunveri> and if i remember correctly last time it was just typing sudo aptitude install default-java6 or something liket hat
[15:20] <BluesKaj> surunveri, java can be tricky, check the url tutorial above
[15:20] <baxeico> hi guys. i'm willing to upgrade to kde 4.5.0 from backports
[15:21] <baxeico> but aptitude suggest to uninstall libqt4-phonon to restore broken dependencies
[15:21] <baxeico> is it safe?
[15:21] <baxeico> libqt4-phonon: Depends: libphonon4 (= 4:4.6.3-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.0really4.4.2-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 is to be installed.
[15:22] <surunveri> mm
[15:32] <surunveri> btw
[15:32] <BluesKaj> baxeico_, is there an option to use the package maintainer ?
[15:32] <surunveri> is there anyway to slowdown the mouse
[15:33] <surunveri> other than from System Settings, Keyboard&Mouse and minimizing the mouse acceleration
[15:33] <Dan_L> surunveri:  what's wrong with minimizing the mouse acceleration?
[15:34] <surunveri> it's probably because of my mouse or something
[15:34] <surunveri> but it's still kind of quick
[15:34] <surunveri> well
[15:34] <surunveri> i suppose it's ok when
[15:34] <surunveri> doing normal stuff like browsing
[15:34] <surunveri> but it's hard to draw
[15:34] <FloodBotK3> surunveri: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:35] <Dan_L> Surunveri:  the first thing that comes to mind is adjusting the mouse settings under mouse
[15:35] <surunveri> is there another place to adjust settings
[15:36] <surunveri> than the keyboard/mouse section at system settings?
[15:36] <Dan_L> Not that I know of.  What's wrong with doing it under system settings?
[15:36] <surunveri> well it's still too fast
[15:36] <surunveri> :D
[15:37] <Dan_L> hmmmm
[15:37] <Dan_L> ok
[15:38] <surunveri> it's probably because of
[15:38] <surunveri> the mouse or something
[15:38] <Dan_L> whut kind of mouse?
[15:39] <surunveri> i think it's Logitech G something. I think it's G1
[15:39] <surunveri> but
[15:39] <surunveri> i dont know about that
[15:39] <surunveri> It would just be nicer if it was 2-4 times slower
[15:39] <surunveri> :D
[15:39] <surunveri> now im using maybe 1/16th of the area of the mat
[15:40] <Dan_L> I've had the occasional issue with the high end logitech mice
[15:40] <surunveri> but it's not that big a deal.. i just thoughgt of asking about it again
[15:40] <Dan_L> can you depress your web wheel?
[15:41] <Dan_L> My MX series was moving painfully slow
[15:42] <surunveri> depress your webwheel
[15:42] <surunveri> nevermind?
[15:42] <surunveri> ops
[15:42] <surunveri> sorry
[15:42] <FloodBotK3> surunveri: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:43] <surunveri> wrong window with nevermind
[15:43] <surunveri> what do you mean depress webwheel?
[15:45] <Dan_L> is the web wheel a button?
[17:42] <mangan88> Anybody care to give some helpful advice? Using Kubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx and my iPod Touch isn't recognized when connected via USB. I'm interested in the best way to troubleshoot the cause of this.
[17:45] <BluesKaj> !ipod | mangan88
[17:49] <mangan88> I checked the documentation at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone, which just tells me ipod touch is natively supported. Are there any steps I can take to ensure the system sees/mounts my ipod? It's as if it's not connected at all
[17:50] <mangan88> I've ensured that libimobiledevice and amarok are installed and up-to-date
[18:12] <funkeyDuder> I am trying to modify a package but when a change the source code and rebuild with debuild it complians about failing a test
[18:12] <funkeyDuder> sorry when I change the source
[18:15] <Morydd> How can I make my external drive mount to a specific location? The problem I'm having is that if I have both my external USB drive and my phone mounted at the same time, I can't get at the one that was mounted second it seems.
[18:40] <slow-motion> hi
[18:58] <kalib> Hi there. How can I install skype on my kubuntu 10.04? I'm using x64. Can't find skype on my aptitude sources.
[18:58] <pano> Riddell: are you the Riddell that edited https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/TranslationsDay ?^^
[19:01] <pano> Riddell: just a quick note: rekonq does have “upstream” translations ;-)
[19:02] <pano> I don’t know why one would think rekonq does not have *any* translations at all^^
[19:06] <pano> Riddell: Just take a look here (it may be *very* slow though): http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/po/rekonq.po/
[19:08] <iconmefisto> kalib: download it from www.skype.com
[19:08] <pano> you can fetch the po files in $kdesvn/trunk/l10n-kde4/$language-code/messages/extragear-network/rekonq.po
[19:10] <Morydd> How can I make my external drive mount to a specific location? The problem I'm having is that if I have both my external USB drive and my phone mounted at the same time, I can't get at the one that was mounted second it seems.
[19:11] <iconmefisto> Morydd: edit fstab so the ext drive mounts where you want it
[19:13] <iconmefisto> Morydd: what fs type is the ext drive? does the partition have a label?
[19:14] <Morydd> the external drive is ext3
[19:28] <windycitybro> have a question on how to extract and install via command line
[19:29] <windycitybro> very confused , need step by step. Most of the help pages seem to assume that you're familiar with command line and so dont include all the steps for us Noobies
[19:30] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: what are you trying to install?
[19:30] <windycitybro> trying to extract a file I downloaded. Dont know where the tar file went to and where to extract it to
[19:31] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: well, the first thing would be to find it, what browser did you use to download it?
[19:31] <windycitybro> firefox 3.5 and i'm using Karmic
[19:32] <James147> windycitybro: downloads should end up in ~/Downlaods   sometimes they end up in ~/Documents  depending on the browser
[19:32] <Walzmyn> ehh, is that 10.04? I can't keep the goofy names straight
[19:32] <Walzmyn> if you haven't changed anything, firefox downloads to the desktop
[19:32] <James147> Walzmyn: no, 10.04 is lucid
[19:33] <Walzmyn> again, I can't keep the goofy names striaght
[19:33] <James147> Walzmyn: :D
[19:33] <windycitybro> ok, as a slight side step............
[19:33] <windycitybro> If it downloads and extracts automatically I'm ok
[19:33] <windycitybro> but.........
[19:34] <James147> most broswers dont automatically extract files
[19:34] <windycitybro> in those cases where I have to manually extract, I know I can do it from the terminal, not clear on all the proceedures
[19:34] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: what is this application?
[19:34] <James147> windycitybro: its easier to use ark to extract files (a gui program)
[19:35] <James147> windycitybro: it should alunch if you click the archive in dolphin
[19:35] <windycitybro> it "was" splashy-screen for the boot screen, (before I deleted it from frustration0
[19:35] <Walzmyn> firefox's default download spot is the desktop. If it's not there, go to >>Edit>>preference>>General  -  There you can see where you're downloading
[19:36] <windycitybro> yes part of the problem is that I dont know "where" to extract the file to using ark. I get the really long list of files asking me wher e i want to put it
[19:36] <James147> ^^ ~/Desktop  :)
[19:36] <Walzmyn> just use "extract here, autodetect subfolder"
[19:37] <windycitybro> wouldnt it be ez'er to do it via the terminal
[19:37] <Walzmyn> If everything inside is in a single folder, it'll be dropped onto the desktop, if not, Ark will stick it in a folder named the same as your compressed file
[19:37] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: no
[19:37] <windycitybro> I'm sure if i knew the commands it'd go through in a snap
[19:37] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: it might be faster, but not easier
[19:37] <windycitybro> hmm....
[19:38] <James147> windycitybro: just right click it in dolphin and click "Extract here, autodetect subfolder"   thats easier then trying to remember the command :)
[19:39] <windycitybro> so do I right click the file and select from the menu? or shud I open ARk form the applications toolbar
[19:39] <windycitybro> I dont have dolphin
[19:39] <Walzmyn> don't have dolphin?
[19:39] <windycitybro> I'm using Gnome
[19:39] <James147> ...
[19:39] <Walzmyn> ...
[19:40] <maco> windycitybro: why ask here instead of #ubuntu then?
[19:40] <maco> this channel is for kubuntu, which is kde
[19:40] <James147> then you probally dont ahve ark... we assumed you where suing kde as you are in #kubuntu not #ubuntu :)
[19:40] <Walzmyn> ok, we're glad to help you, but if you're in the KDE forum, running Gnome should be one of the first things you tell us
[19:40] <windycitybro> I'm running Kubuntu, but I have ubuntu as well so I log into ubuntu cuz I have lot of stuff on desktop
[19:40] <windycitybro> but.........
[19:41] <windycitybro> I guess the dolphin file browser is default on Kubuntu?
[19:41] <Walzmyn> dolphin is part of KDE
[19:41] <James147> windycitybro: yes... but i ask... do yuo ahve kubuntu and ubuntu as seperate installs?
[19:41] <windycitybro> gotcha
[19:41] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: do you realise there is a diffence between ubuntu and gnome?
[19:41] <James147> windycitybro: because you can save space and make it easier to switch if you install "ubuntu-desktop" in kubuntu or "kubuntu-desktop" in ubuntu
[19:42] <windycitybro> I think so..........I loaded Ubuntu from live Cd, then DL Kubuntu from software apps menu, it was a full DL so my flash screen shows Kubuntu splash first then..............
[19:42] <windycitybro> ubuntu, then I can log in under either
[19:43] <Walzmyn> ok, what you did was install the Ubuntu distro, then you installed the KDE desktop into that
[19:43] <windycitybro> WOW! how do I do that ?
[19:43] <James147> windycitybro: ahh :) then it sounds like you dont have a seperate install... in which case you should beable to run dolphin in gnome
[19:43] <windycitybro> ok, that sounds familiar, I think i did it .........once
[19:43] <windycitybro> how to do?
[19:43] <Walzmyn> James147: but what will his default compression utility be?
[19:44] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: hit alt+F2 and type dolphin
[19:44] <James147> Walzmyn: I have no clue, but that might depends n which enviroment hes in... either way I think dolphin will probally sue ark
[19:44] <James147> (and if not it dosent really matter as long as the option is there)
[19:45] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: it has been my expreince that trying to use diffrent desktops is a pain. I'd pick one, then install that *buntu flavor
[19:45]  * Walzmyn nods at James147
[19:46] <James147> windycitybro: also... if you know know already... you can switch to kde from the login manager (there should be a button somewhere on it)
[19:47] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: hey, are you trying to fix the splash screen 'cause it goofed up when you installed KDE?
[19:49] <windycitybro> from the login screen right? Can I also do it from the toolbar "switch User"? and do I "Have" to log into Kubuntu to extract those filke
[19:50] <maco> windycitybro: do you know the name of the tar?
[19:50] <maco> or heck...
[19:50] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: KDE and Gnome are just interfaces. The applications (Ark for KDE) will run nomatter what you're logged into
[19:50] <maco> find ~ -name *.tar*
[19:50] <James147> windycitybro: i wouldnt use switch user.... that will just create another login session... also you `should` beable to do it from gnome aas all kde apps will work in gnome
[19:50] <maco> there itll list all the tars youve got
[19:51] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: hey, are you trying to fix the splash screen 'cause it goofed up when you installed KDE?
[19:51] <maco> Walzmyn: i think windycitybro is trying to install software from a tar he cant find
 trying to extract a file I downloaded. Dont know where the tar file went to and where to extract it to
[19:52] <Walzmyn> maco: yeah, but he's trying to fix the splash screen. I'm thinking there's a way to do that though apt that'd be better
[19:52] <Walzmyn> When he installed KDE if he told it to use kdm instead of gvm durring the install process it'll mess the spash stuff up.
[19:53] <Walzmyn> but reinstalling the Ubuntu/gnome splashing thing will solve it
[19:53] <maco> sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[19:54] <Walzmyn> yeah, what he said
[19:54] <maco> and, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm     <-- to change the login screen
[19:55] <windycitybro> sorry dont know what happened i musta hit somethin...typical nooby goof
[19:56] <windycitybro> concerning sep. installs How do i know if I have them?
[19:56] <windycitybro> .......I thought I did
[19:56] <maco> windycitybro: if you installed the kubuntu package through software center, you do not have separate installs
[19:57] <maco> separate installs would mean you used an ubuntu CD and a kubuntu CD and dual-booted
[19:57] <maco> (or if you also have windows..... triple-booted)
[19:57] <James147> windycitybro: you will only have seperate installs if you install from a live cd twice... from what you said you did it i would say you dont
[19:57] <windycitybro> Wow...ok.......ohhhh ok
[19:57] <pano> Riddell: if you read this, and have any questions, you can find me in #rekonq :-)
[19:58] <James147> windycitybro: so you should beable to access alla your files/programs from either gnome or kde
[19:58] <windycitybro> ok... its clear now. I went towards the Kubuntu for the educational suite
[20:03] <windycitybro_> ok...I see that after no reply...180secs, I'm kicked out. Can I fix this?
[20:03] <James147> windycitybro_: thats a no ping replay... it happens when you have network problems
[20:03] <maco> windycitybro_: just means your network was slow
[20:03] <windycitybro_> oh..ok
[20:04] <windycitybro_> ok, now about about wine?
[20:05] <aftertaf> hey, anyone good with ATI cards ? cant use the ATI drivers anymore but need energy-saving capabilities to stop laptop from overheating
[20:05] <James147> windycitybro_: what about wine?
[20:06] <windycitybro_> I DL it, used it for uTorrent and it worked fine, but............
[20:06] <windycitybro_> I'm partial to CdBurner XP, so I DL...installed via the Wine Program installer, ........
[20:07] <James147> windycitybro_: why utorrent? is ktorrent not good enough?
[20:07] <windycitybro_> but when I try to open/run the app with Wine, it does nothing at all
[20:07] <windycitybro_> I know I can use Brasso, but I like CdBurner
[20:07] <aftertaf> windycitybro_: for burning with linux, use k3b. Its feature full and easy to use
[20:07] <aftertaf> or brasso...
[20:07] <aftertaf> wine isnt really meant for acessing the hardware in such a way . .
[20:08] <James147> windycitybro_: wine cannt run `all` windows programs... and it  runs allot of them poorly... its best to use native applications if they are availble
[20:09] <Walzmyn> k3b's as good as anything I ever used in windows (better than many)
[20:09] <aftertaf> you can use a coat hanger to open a bottle of wine, but a corkscrew is better
[20:09] <aftertaf> :)
[20:09]  * James147 agrees with Walzmyn
[20:10] <Walzmyn> aftertaf: or you could get something worth drinking...
[20:10] <aftertaf> Walzmyn:  :))))
[20:11] <windycitybro_> Ktorrent is ...ok, but transmission works better. I'm just in the "Ooh, what does that button do ?" stage of  Ubuntu lol
[20:11] <windycitybro_> I saw k3b only AFTR installing DeVeDE last night. arrgh
[20:11] <windycitybro_> I didnt know Ksb was for that
[20:11] <windycitybro_> *k3b
[20:11] <FloodBotK3> windycitybro_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:11] <aftertaf> lol
[20:11] <James147> :S
[20:12] <James147> you might want to see to you connection :) if your running torrents then that can affect irc
[20:12] <James147> windycitybro: ^^
[20:13] <surunveri> hi
[20:13] <surunveri> I dont have sound in firefox /w flashg
[20:13] <surunveri> flash
[20:13] <surunveri> im not sure why
[20:13] <surunveri> :D
[20:13] <FloodBotK3> surunveri: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:13] <surunveri> but i had to reinstall kubuntu today
[20:13] <Walzmyn> windycitybro: Krunner is awesome - just start typing what kind of app you're looking for "word processor" or "cd burner"
[20:14] <Walzmyn> surunveri: it's because flash sucks. My sounds drops out every other reboot
[20:14] <surunveri> no but
[20:14] <surunveri> before i had to reinstall kubuntu
[20:14] <James147> surunveri: but you can try reinstalling it to see if that helps :)  (sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-installer && sudo aptitude install flashplugin-installer)
[20:15] <surunveri> it worked
[20:15] <surunveri> without such problems
[20:15] <FloodBotK3> surunveri: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:15] <surunveri> ok
[20:15] <surunveri> i'll try those ... do i do it with the && or separately?
[20:16] <James147> surunveri: either.. && just means run the next command if the first one dosent fail...
[20:18] <surunveri> so it should maybe work now?
[20:18] <surunveri> =D
[20:18] <James147> surunveri: if you restart all yopur browsers it `should`
[20:18] <James147> but flash is anoying :p
[20:19] <surunveri> hmm sitll ntohing =|
[20:19] <surunveri> im not sure what's this about
[20:19] <surunveri> im not sure if i got audio at all
[20:19] <surunveri> D:
[20:19] <surunveri> :D
[20:19] <surunveri> because i've not tested it anywhere
[20:19] <FloodBotK3> surunveri: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:20] <James147> surunveri: then you might want to see if your system actuall have audio first :)
[20:20] <surunveri> yea.. how 8D
[20:20] <surunveri> oh wait neverminmd :D
[20:21] <surunveri> hmm there's no sound at all
[20:21] <surunveri> apparently
[20:21] <surunveri> .D
[20:21] <James147> then thats a completely different problem :)
[20:22] <surunveri> yeah but i have no idea what that's about
[20:22] <surunveri> i didnt do anything special just installed kubuntu
[20:22] <surunveri> again
[20:22] <surunveri> same cd as before
[20:22] <James147> surunveri: ^^ might want to install kubuntu-restricted-extras to make sure you ahve the right codecs for playing music first :)
[20:23] <surunveri> yeah
[20:23] <surunveri> :D
[20:43] <windycitybro> aarrgh......... Cant burn files to dvd w/ k3b. Why does it have to preformat, and then that doesnt work so it says Erase Failed, and I can burn. Brasso doesnt work.....why ....dont know
[20:43] <windycitybro> help please
[20:45] <client> sers
[20:45] <beny> .
[20:47] <surunveri> ok i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras and did some system updates
[20:47] <surunveri> and then restarted computer
[20:47] <surunveri> and then i tried to open a video file
[20:48] <netsavy006> Hi.
[20:48] <surunveri> and got error message 'alsa default output' doesnt work
[20:48] <netsavy006> I understand this mainly for kubuntu and not ubuntu, but I'm in ubuntu chat and I'm not getting any help.
[20:49] <netsavy006> I  can't figure out how to fix my problem. I went to system >  administration > hardware drivers, and it mentioned of a driver for  my ati driver for my computer that would allow me to have 3d settings  since I was told by an app I didn't have that, I decided to activate the  driver. It installed it and told me I needed to reboot. But after that I  couldn't get into my computer. I just see the Ubuntu name / logo and  the 4 do
[20:58] <Krtz> hi, I think since KDE 4.5, I have a problem with aMule and the its tray icon, it is like another windows get open for the tray. Has anyone the same problem or a solution? http://yfrog.com/7eamuletrayiconinkde45p
[21:14] <albuquerque> oi
[21:16] <NRyan115> hello.... does anyone want to help a noob like me to install kubuntu onto my machine? I got an error and the "check disk" utility before install says the disk is fine
[21:17] <Walzmyn> NRyan115: what was the error
[21:18] <NRyan115> The error was "The ext4 file system creation in partition #9 of seriel ATA RAID nvidia_bgbhdedb (RAID5_LS) failed."
[21:18] <NRyan115> I tried it again with reiserfs and it was the same mesage
[21:18] <NRyan115> I already have Windows Vista installed
[21:20] <Walzmyn> NRyan115: err, I don't know. The partition utility should be able to format the parititon
[21:20] <lolofofo> !list
[21:20] <NRyan115> I have 3 drives in RAID 5 and previousely have Windows XP in one partition, and Vista in another..... along with a seperate partition for games, and for storage etc. I have decided I no longer need XP and want to start using Kubuntu
[21:21] <NRyan115> But I get that error everytime no matter what file syste I choose
[21:21] <Walzmyn> NRyan115: typically you'll use 3 partitions for Linux - Swap, root and home
[21:21] <NRyan115> Well I set a 10gb partition for swap, and a 50gb partition for root - it never asked about home
[21:21] <Walzmyn> NRyan115: sounds like you need to check the physical disk, but I think this is over my head
[21:22] <Walzmyn> how much ram do you have?
[21:22] <NRyan115> 2 GB
[21:22] <Walzmyn> 4 GB for swap would be fine then
[21:22] <NRyan115> I am not having any disk errors. I have checked my Windows logs and no signs of bad sectors or anything
[21:23] <NRyan115> that is fine but I already had a 10gb slice free
[21:23] <Walzmyn> NRyan115: sorry, bud. Yer over my head :(
[21:23] <NRyan115> well thats fine but could you possibly tell me which direction I should go?
[21:23] <NRyan115> typing the errer into search engine didnt help
[21:24] <Walzmyn> NRyan115: if it were me, I'd delete those partitions and re-create them, see if the linux utility can work with that
[21:25] <Walzmyn> NRyan115: just make sure you've got everything backed up from the working Winders partition
[21:25] <NRyan115> I've been using Vista on this computer for 2-3 years now, and Xp before that - I just want to use Kubuntu and aside from the fact that I am using RAID5 with a few partitions I really am not trying to do anything advanced
[21:25] <NRyan115> You want me to erase all of my partitions? No I can not do that
[21:26] <Walzmyn> NRyan115: not all, just the one's you're trying to stick linux on
[21:26] <NRyan115> But they do not have any file system on them at all how do you want me to erase them?
[21:26] <NRyan115> they are both just "fre space"
[21:27] <NRyan115> free*
[21:27] <Walzmyn> go grab a gparted live CD
[21:27] <Walzmyn> but they exist. remove the partition competely
[21:27] <James147> NRyan115: try partitionmanager ... you should be able to install it on the livd cd
[21:27] <Walzmyn> I've got company, I've got to go
[21:27] <NRyan115> ok thank you
[21:28] <NRyan115> I still dont quiet understand why I have to use another live cd to delete blank un formatted partitions so that kubuntu can format them
[21:29] <James147> NRyan115: you dont... you can install gparted or partitionmanger on the kubuntu livecd
[21:30] <NRyan115> ok so lets assume I dont know how to install anything yet - lets pretend I'm a noob
[21:30] <NRyan115> (looks both ways... yes pretend)
[21:31] <James147> NRyan115: assuming you already have a internetconnection up... either run this command in knosole "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install partitionmanager"  or launch the program "kpackagekit"  to do it through a gui
[21:32] <NRyan115> ok well I am using the computer in question so I will have to leave to do this/ Thank you for the suggestion I will try this.
[21:33] <James147> NRyan115: once in the live cd run quassel to get back ehre :)
[21:34] <James147> NRyan115: then we should be able to help :)  (note, select try kubuntu rather then the install kubuntu option from the cd.. that will boot a full ddesktop)
[21:34] <NRyan115> ok thanks james...
[21:38] <zeltak> i need help...urget...moved to kubuntu from arch a few days ago and had system freezes once every few hours...now its every few MINUTES :(
[21:38] <zeltak> i am looking at syslog but not seeing much each time..
[21:39] <zeltak> i really like kubuntu but my system is unusable..anyone mind helping me getting this sorted?
[21:44] <LineVass> I'm having intermittent issues with kubuntu 10.04 on x64. occasionally (maybe 30% of the time) when I boot in my monitors stay in power-save mode. syslog shows: kdm[887]: X server died during startup
[21:44] <LineVass> Everything else is fine. I can ssh in, ec.
[21:45] <NRyan115> still here james?
[21:45] <James147> NRyan115: yup
[21:45] <NRyan115> hey
[21:45] <NRyan115> im in live cd and typed in that command into terminal
[21:45] <NRyan115> can we private?
[21:45] <James147> NRyan115: prefure not to... others might know something I dont
[21:46] <James147> NRyan115: did the command run succefully?
[21:46] <NRyan115> yes, it asked me to continue and I hit yes it is all done now
[21:46] <NRyan115> although I do not see partitionmanager listed under utilities
[21:46] <James147> NRyan115: you should now be able to launch partitionmanager  and edit the partitions manualy
[21:47] <James147> NRyan115: try: <Alt>+<F2> and type "partitionmanager" in it
[21:47] <NRyan115> but I do see KDE partition manager listed under system
[21:47] <James147> NRyan115: thats it
[21:47] <NRyan115> do programs not get auto added to the ... (sorry) start menu
[21:48] <NRyan115> oh that is it?
[21:48] <James147> yes.. partitionmanager is the packagename... and also the executable name... but the menus get a nicer name :)
[21:49] <NRyan115> ok well I alreayd have a problem
[21:49] <James147> what problem?
[21:49] <NRyan115> it lists my drives seperately saying there are no partitions on them.... instead seeing it as 1 RAID5 array
[21:49] <James147> NRyan115: ... hmmm
[21:49] <NRyan115> instead of* seeing them as an array
[21:50]  * James147 wonders if it can do RAID partitions...
[21:50] <James147> NRyan115: are you using software or hardware raid?
[21:51] <NRyan115> hardware
[21:51] <James147> NRyan115: huh... would have through then that they would appear as one disk
[21:51] <NRyan115> Kubuntu install saw the array only but the live cd is only seeing the individual drives
[21:52] <James147> NRyan115:  when you did the install before did you select manual partitions?
[21:52]  * NRyan115 is confused
[21:52] <LineVass> does anyone have any ideas about how I can restart kdm/kde4 remotely?
[21:52] <LineVass> when I do startkde I get an improper $DISPLAY warning
[21:53] <James147> LineVass: there are many ways depending on exactly what you are trying to do
[21:53] <LineVass> and I can't even alt+f2 into a text login screen
[21:53] <James147> LineVass: try "sudo restart kdm"
[21:53] <James147> NRyan115: on the installer during that partition bit what option did you select?
[21:54] <NRyan115> do you think its just partitionmanager or is it the live cd?
[21:54] <LineVass> James147: Ok.... hm. ok, worked but didn't light up the monirtors. Here's what syslog just showed: kdm[2948]: X server died during startup
[21:54] <James147> LineVass: dont know why you are getting that error sorry
[21:55] <LineVass> I've looked at Xorg.0.log but I'm just seeing option lists... not any specific reason
[21:55] <James147> LineVass: would guess you ahve a problem with your x server... :) but thats as much as I can help
[21:55] <LineVass> heh... yeah. Well it's really strange becuase it's intermittent. Do you think this is more suited for the X86 guys?
[21:56] <James147> NRyan115: Trying to figure out what option you picked in the installer :)
[21:57] <NRyan115> OK so if I use the file browser and go into /dev/disk/by-label  I can then see my existing partitions by name
[21:57] <NRyan115> so it seems like its just partitionmanager
[21:58] <NRyan115> also, in the installer I only selected "english" my time zone, my keyboard, thenit asked how to install and I clicked advanced, and choose my 50gb partition as ext4 and my 10gb partition as swap  - it asked for my user name and thats it
[21:58] <James147> NRyan115: whats the output of "ls  /dev/sd*" ?
[21:58] <NRyan115> then I got the could not create file system error
[21:59] <NRyan115> "/dev/sda  /dev/sdb  /dev/sdc  /dev/sdd  /dev/sdd1"
[22:00] <NRyan115> sdd1 I believe is my external hard drive
[22:00] <NRyan115> it shows up in partitionmanager as well as such
[22:00] <LineVass> James147: I might have found something.... ubuntu xorg bug #441653
[22:01] <LineVass> Thanks for the restart command... was having a lot of trouble messing around with startkde... at least i have something to go on now
[22:02] <James147> NRyan115: wonder if you can delete the partition from the installer then... (you should be albe ot run it from the desktop)
[22:02] <NRyan115> so going back to /dev/disk/by-label if I click on one of the drives it wont show me the files it just says "open with"
[22:02] <NRyan115> AND also I have noticed something
[22:02] <James147> NRyan115: thats because they are device files... they need to be mounted to see the contents
[22:03] <NRyan115> in /dev/disk/by-label it shows me my custom partition labels and I notice that my "Vista" partition is not showing up, but I have another partition called "Kubuntu10.04" that I did not have before
[22:04] <NRyan115> ok I am starting Kubuntu installer from here
[22:04] <LineVass> Wow, that's a cool bot
[22:04] <James147> NRyan115: what does sudo blkid -c /dev/null output (pastebin it please)
[22:05] <NRyan115> ok I feel stupid but how do you escape from a man page?
[22:06] <James147> NRyan115: "q"
[22:06] <NRyan115> thanks....
[22:06] <NRyan115> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo blkid -c /dev/null
[22:06] <NRyan115> /dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs"
[22:06] <NRyan115> /dev/sda: TYPE="nvidia_raid_member"
[22:06] <NRyan115> /dev/sdb: TYPE="nvidia_raid_member"
[22:06] <NRyan115> /dev/sdc: TYPE="nvidia_raid_member"
[22:06] <FloodBotK3> NRyan115: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:07] <NRyan115> /dev/mapper/nvidia_bgbhdedb1: LABEL="Boot_Plus" UUID="60B4B181B4B159EC" TYPE="ntfs"
[22:08] <NRyan115> did you see that or did it get flood blocked?
[22:08] <James147> NRyan115: some of it... can you pastebin it
[22:08] <NRyan115> what is pastebin?
[22:08] <James147> !pastebin
[22:10] <NRyan115> http://paste.ubuntu.com/482033/
[22:10] <NRyan115> but again, there should be another partition that is NOT showing up which has vista installed onto it
[22:11] <James147> NRyan115: how many partitions should there be in total?
[22:11] <NRyan115> or maybe that is showing up as the one with no label?
[22:11] <James147> NRyan115: probally
[22:12] <NRyan115> ok then its fine then
[22:12] <NRyan115> I though it was labled byt maybe it is just"local disk" (Windows default)
[22:12] <James147> "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/mapper/nvidia_bgbhdedb5 /mnt" should mount it to /mnt
[22:12] <James147> so you can see the contents of the drive and check
[22:13] <NRyan115> wow control+v doesnt paste? wtf is that
[22:14] <James147> NRyan115: id dose... in konsole its ctrl+shift+v
[22:14] <NRyan115> is that changeable?
[22:14] <James147> (due to ctrl+c being the keys to terminate a running command)
[22:15] <NRyan115> ahh right
[22:15] <James147> NRyan115: it is... but you cant use crtl+c I dont think and quite a few other crtl+ combos due to them being taken by the termnial
[22:15] <James147> NRyan115: best to leave it as is for konsole :)
[22:16] <NRyan115> ok um I did that command but the file browser shows /mnt to be blank
[22:16] <James147> (note that middle mouse button pastes in konsole as well)
[22:16] <James147> NRyan115: did it error?
[22:16] <NRyan115> nope it just brought me to another line
[22:16] <James147> NRyan115: can you apstebin the output of "mount"
[22:17] <NRyan115> just mount - not the command you gave me?
[22:17] <James147> "mount" should list the drives mounted :) want to see if anything wrong
[22:17] <NRyan115> ok this is easy nothing happened at all
[22:17] <NRyan115> just a new line
[22:18] <James147> NRyan115: that means it was a success
[22:18] <James147> NRyan115: or are you talking about "mount"?
[22:18] <NRyan115> how? if it liste dnothing it means nothing is mounted isnt that a failure?
[22:18] <James147> :S
[22:19] <James147> never see it not list anyhting before
[22:19] <NRyan115> the output of "mount" = the output of "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/mapper/nvidia_bgbhdedb5 /mnt" = nothing
[22:19] <James147> NRyan115: no i mena just type "mount<Enter>" in konsole
[22:19] <NRyan115> I am
[22:20] <NRyan115> they both result in a new line
[22:20] <James147> hmm
[22:20] <NRyan115> with no messages
[22:20] <NRyan115> I can screenshot if you want
[22:20] <NRyan115> I tried it several times
[22:20] <James147> no...
[22:20] <James147> was just making sure we are taking about the same command :S
[22:20]  * James147 is confused
[22:21]  * NRyan115 is saddened that a user wishing to use Kubuntu instead of Windows is unable to do so lol
[22:21] <James147> NRyan115: well, we could try the install again... :)
[22:22] <NRyan115> well.... as well as - maybe not instead
[22:22] <NRyan115> I did click the installer it opened for a second but it looks liek its gone now
[22:22] <NRyan115> ?
[22:22] <James147> NRyan115: Its most likly due to the raid... I am afraid I dont know much about using raid in linux so dont know why its not working]
[22:23] <NRyan115> ok the setup is still running... good thing I know about alt-tab or I would have lost you
[22:23] <James147> :)
[22:23] <NRyan115> I do not remember it giving me an optiont o delete my partitions but I will double check
[22:23] <James147> are the windows not appearing in the task manager?
[22:23] <James147> (thing at the bottom of the screen)
[22:24] <NRyan115> I know i'm a linux nub but I actually a pretty good windows expert
[22:24] <NRyan115> the task manager does not show when you click on the install screen
[22:24] <NRyan115> it goes full screen
[22:24] <LineVass> Ryan. I'm sorry, I haven't followed the enitre conversation above... what's your issue exactly?
[22:25] <James147> ahh yeah :) but you should be able to alt + drag it to move it :D
[22:26] <James147> LineVass: trying to install kubuntu onto a raid drive but was having problems with being unable to format the drive... partitionmanager dosent list the raid partition just the raw drives
[22:26] <James147> NRyan115: anyway... tell me once you get to the manual partition option
[22:26] <NRyan115> i am there
[22:27] <James147> (NRyan115btw I am assuming you are trying this on the latest 10.04 (lucid) )
[22:27] <LineVass> NRyan115: and you're doing this raid-1
[22:27] <James147> LineVass: raid 5 i think he said
[22:27] <NRyan115> correct I downloaded it yesterday 10.04
[22:28] <NRyan115> I have a 3 drive RAID 5 array that I have been dual booting with XP and Vista for a few years
[22:28] <James147> NRyan115: can you print screen the window?
[22:28] <NRyan115> I decided I do not need XP and want to dual booth Vist and Kubuntu
[22:28] <NRyan115> I had 5 NTFS partitions before (XP, Vista, Programs, Games, Storage)
[22:29] <LineVass> Sorry if you've already covered this ground, but mdadm handles soft-raid in all linux flavors and i've used it a long time ago... i never have used partitionmanager
[22:29] <LineVass> have you tried gparted perhaps?
[22:30] <NRyan115> Unfortunately, my boot.ini file is stored in my XP partition
[22:30] <LineVass> I know gparted can set the raid flags
[22:31] <James147> well, lets see what the install says first...
[22:31] <NRyan115> so I didnt want to delete the partition altogether. Instead I reduced the partition's size by 10 GB (for my swap) and I also have 50GB of free space that I was trying to use ext4 to install on
[22:31] <NRyan115> I am using hardware RAID5
[22:31] <James147> NRyan115: can you take a screen shhot f the window please
[22:32] <NRyan115> and I am not intersted in anything that will change my vista installation or other personal files on my other partitions
[22:32] <LineVass> NRyan115: I wouldn't want to be raiding my swap... Oh I see. well hardware is another animal.
[22:32] <LineVass> but clearly part manager needs to be looking at the raid device, not the underlying drives
[22:32] <LineVass> do you know what yoru raid device is called?
[22:33] <NRyan115> sorry james I am working on it
[22:33] <James147> NRyan115: ksnapshot (printscrren button should launch it) will take one
[22:34] <NRyan115> I do not know its name, but although the live cd + partitionmanager only sees my individual drives, the installer itself DOES see my raid array and partitions. It just gives me a "cannot create file system" type of error
[22:34] <NRyan115> i know b ut i am spending all my time re explaining
[22:34] <James147> :)
[22:35] <NRyan115> !pastebin
[22:35] <NRyan115> I dont know where ot "save" it to
[22:35] <NRyan115> the screenshot I mean
[22:35] <NRyan115> so that I can upload it to pastebin
[22:35] <James147> NRyan115: dosent really matter ~/ will do
[22:35] <NRyan115> huh?
[22:36] <James147> (~/ means home)
[22:36] <James147> NRyan115: anywhere under /home/ubuntu/  will do (~/ is equlivent to /home/USERNAME  in the live cd thats ubuntu)
[22:37] <NRyan115> this is so frustrating
[22:38] <NRyan115> I took a screenshot, the box poped up I clicked save as - it defaulted to home so I saved it as screenshot1.png (whatever was default)
[22:38] <NRyan115> took another one and saved it in the same place but as #2
[22:39] <James147> then you should be able to upload one to  http://tinyurl.com/imagebin
[22:39] <NRyan115> now in pastebin i click browse, and it went to my home folder and it doesnt show the images, just a few other folders like Documents, Music, Images - so I go into images and its also blank
[22:39] <NRyan115> so where did they save to?
[22:40] <NRyan115> I do understand this - those folders didnt even show up in my home folder when I was saving them
[22:40] <NRyan115> dont*
[22:40] <James147> NRyan115: could they be in ~/Documents?
[22:40] <NRyan115> omg
[22:40] <NRyan115> yes they are
[22:40] <NRyan115> but seriousely WTF
[22:41] <James147> (yea, some programs anoyingly default to ~/Documents... hatre it when they do)
[22:41] <NRyan115> http://imagebin.org/110857
[22:42] <James147> NRyan115: thats the right option... :) can to post a screen shot of the next page?
[22:42] <NRyan115> http://imagebin.org/110858
[22:42] <NRyan115> uhrg wtf
[22:42] <James147> prefubally without the ksnapshot window coving the important parts :)
[22:43] <NRyan115> how did that dialog box insert itself into the picture?
[22:43] <NRyan115> it wasnt there when I took the shot
[22:43] <James147> not sure... noramlly it hides itself
[22:43] <NRyan115> were they both liekthat?
[22:43] <James147> no only the second
[22:43] <James147> although that is weird as the preview dosent show it :S
[22:44] <NRyan115> ok i'm sorry just frustrated and venting but there is no way you can tell me this is "as easy as windows"
[22:44] <James147> ahh... there are 2 ksnapshot programs running
[22:45] <NRyan115> If I was my mother this woudl make sence to me but I own a computer repair business and have a degree in computer engineering - this shoudl not be so un intuitive
[22:45] <James147> NRyan115: it can be :) there are jsut a few differences that can anoy people that are useto how windows works :)
[22:45] <NRyan115> I feel like an idiot but i'm just doing exactly as directed
[22:45] <NRyan115> inserting that dialog box doesnt make a lick of sense
[22:46] <James147> NRyan115: in kde the print screen button runs ksnapshot taking a screenshot first... after then either close it or click the "new snapshot button"
[22:46] <LineVass> Hey Ryan, you're running the linux box right now right?
[22:46] <NRyan115> http://imagebin.org/110859
[22:47] <NRyan115> LineVass: what?
[22:47] <|sysop|> hi
[22:47] <LineVass> You're in Linux right now right?
[22:47] <|sysop|> every day
[22:47] <NRyan115> yes I am running off the live cs and have started the installer
[22:47] <NRyan115> cd*
[22:48] <James147> NRyan115: i take it the blank one if the one you want to format?
[22:48] <LineVass> if you are at a terminal... and do "sudo fdisk -l" how many devices do you see?
[22:48] <NRyan115> yes it is 50gb (ish)
[22:49] <|sysop|> here is my question is there anything like seahorse for kde4? so I can pgp encrypt things from inside of other applications?
[22:49] <|sysop|> like I can with gedit.
[22:49] <James147> NRyan115:  if your sure then I would click the "delete" button while its selcected... that will delete the partition and allow you to create another one
[22:49] <James147> |sysop|: kgpg?
[22:50] <James147> NRyan115: when creating a new partition set the filesystem as ext4 and the mount point as /
[22:52] <NRyan115> I cannot select it, once I click on it it opens the 'pick a file system and mount point' dialog box
[22:52] <|sysop|> kpgp doesnt allow you to encrypt something in kate, they way you can in gedit.
[22:52] <|sysop|> unless I am missing something.
[22:53] <NRyan115> so any other ideas?
[22:55] <James147> NRyan115: well... try selecing ext4 and /  and see if it works...  if it fails again you might want to try the alternitive cd.... that can handle more situations then the live cd can
[22:55] <NRyan115> Its almost 6PM - I started this at 2.... I could have installed Windows 7 5 times by now lol. I hate being stuck
[22:56] <James147> NRyan115: not sure why its being such a pain... I have always found it worked better for me then the windows isntaller did :)
[22:56] <NRyan115> OMG it hasnt errored this time
[22:56] <James147> huh
[22:56] <NRyan115> and I have done nothing different at all!
[22:56] <James147> no clue why it errored before then
[22:56] <NRyan115> I tried these settings 5 times before with that same error and this time it works
[22:57] <NRyan115> wow
[22:57] <NRyan115> the Only difference is I am running from a live cd before install
[22:57] <James147> NRyan115: o well at least it works now :) sorry it took so long to get it to work
[22:57] <NRyan115> dont you dare be sorry
[22:57] <NRyan115> its not your fault
[22:58] <NRyan115> :p
[22:59] <James147> NRyan115: hope you enjoy actually using it :) although it might take some getting use to as linux works differently to windows
[23:00] <NRyan115> I know, I will probably never like it as much as windows for my desktop stuff - and I cant play all of my steam games but it will shame windows when I use it for c programming
[23:00] <NRyan115> :)
[23:01] <James147> NRyan115: i dont know... I find the general interface much nicer then windows was (and about 50 times more custamisable) + some steam games work in wine :D  (got portal working the other day without much effort... well any effort)
[23:01] <NRyan115> nice
[23:02] <James147> NRyan115: also steam are builting a native linux client so we should start seeing some of their titles eventually :D
[23:02] <NRyan115> I am sure they wil both have their things - I have used linux before, but only as a basic user at college for programming - never as the computer owner or admin
[23:03] <James147> NRyan115: every since I started I have been liking it more and more... Keep finding new ways to do things on it that I never throught possible on windows
[23:04] <James147> although kde is still lacking a few things... but they are rapidly fixing the holes in it
[23:04] <NRyan115> one thing I always hated was that I purchased a tv tuner card that said it was compatible with vista but then found out that for 64-bit windows its driver only, no software so I HAVE to use windows media center (barf) and it doesnt let me watch one channel while recording another
[23:04] <bronze> I see that 10.04.1 is out. So far the dvd images up on the download page are still on 10.04. If I install from that image, can I just update to get in sync with 10.04.1?
[23:05] <James147> NRyan115: and we have http://www.mythtv.org/  for that :)
[23:05] <NRyan115> and when you record with MCE its like 3 GB for every hours of tv.... thats terrible for standard defenition
[23:05] <NRyan115> 1 hours*
[23:05] <moldy> hi
[23:05] <moldy> i installed kubuntu 10.04 on a thinkpad x100e. it freezes upon kde start (both when booted from live medium and when booted from hard disk)
[23:06] <James147> bronze: 10.04.1 is just a new cd with all the updates done to 10.04... if you install 10.04 and update you will effectivly have 10.04.1  (although you dont really need the dvd unless you plan on installing on a computer with a slow network)
[23:06] <moldy> the log files contain nothing useful, some seem to contain binary rubbish
[23:06] <bronze> James147: thanks!
[23:07] <NRyan115> so, once this installed how do I update it?
[23:08] <James147> NRyan115: you can use kpackagekit and go to the software updates tab  (or the way i tend to: "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade")
[23:08] <NRyan115> mythtv i believe makes windows applications as well but for some reason I could neverfind any 64bit program for windows and the 32bit programs do not work... its frustrating. Will I run into similar problems with 64-bit Kubuntu?
[23:09] <James147> (well, i have the alised to "upgrade" so i dont need to type it out all the time :D)
[23:09] <Ash-Fox> NRyan115, everything in the ubuntu repositories should work fine.
[23:09] <NRyan115> what exactly does full-upgrade upgrade? all of ubuntu or ubuntu plus all of your installed software?
[23:09] <NRyan115> I have ot be honest that I do not fully understand how update knows if my random software has an update or not
[23:10] <Ash-Fox> There are updates and upgrades.
[23:10] <Ash-Fox> updates are usually just fixes. Be it for bugs and security issues.
[23:10] <James147> NRyan115: it upgrades all packages to their latest version...safe-upgrade will do the same but it will not remove and packages or install new software (safer but wont install everything)
[23:10] <Ash-Fox> Upgrades are new program versions that may have significant changes
[23:11] <NRyan115> but if I go to www.SomeStrangeSoftwareWebsite.com and download program xyz how on earth would kubuntu know if, and how to upgrade that random software?
[23:11] <NRyan115> that is what I dont understand
[23:12] <maco> NRyan115: it wont know
[23:12] <NRyan115> in windows, windows only updates software maade by microsoft... which makes sense
[23:12] <James147> NRyan115: the way aptitude knows about upgrades are by the package version... when you run "sudo aptitude update" it will fetch a new list of packages and vertsion from the repos... it then compares this to installed software to see if anything needs updating
[23:12] <maco> anything you install from the repositories, our upgrader will upgrade
[23:12] <maco> if you grab things from elsewhere, they are your responsibility though
[23:13] <James147> NRyan115: aptitude will only upgrade things installed through a package manager (apt-get aptitude or kapckagekit)  but you will find most of what you want in the repos anyway :)
[23:13] <NRyan115> ok but you are not being clear to me, a windows only user who is new to linux..... how on earth would the 'repositories' even have versions of software that are made by other companies / groups of people
[23:14] <Ash-Fox> Do note that a lot of us mention command lines to do things beause it's eaiser (copy paste), rather than saying, click the big K, now go to system, now click this.. that this, that etc. - Nothing mentioned with software is required to know any commands to install or upgrade them
[23:14] <James147> NRyan115: also allot of major linux programs (such as wine) have repos you can add so that you will get updates directly from them
[23:15] <Ash-Fox> A lot of linux distributions provide their own 'packages' of other people's software. Ensuring it meets quality, distribution guidelines and other things.
[23:15] <Ash-Fox> The distributions do the hard work of ensuring all the packages are up to date, patch any security issues, ensure it works properly with the specific linux distribution configuration
[23:17] <James147> ^^ although with kubuntu they dont tend to upgrade to newer major software version of things (ie lucid is on kde 4.4.2 not 4.4.5 or 4.5) although there is a repo for kubuntu to upgrade you to 4.5
[23:18] <James147> many other developer also maintain their own repos for kubuntu (such as wine do) or other distros so you can get the latest stuff directly from them
[23:18] <NRyan115> ok but like... if Kubuntu is a company that makes an OS and it includes 100 other free programs (this is an example only) then Kubuntu the company would go download the current version of those 100 programs and combine them with the Os to distribute as one package... but in order to keep 'up to date' someone would have to check the 100 website for each 100 programs daily to see if there are updates... and if there are then to re download
[23:18] <NRyan115>  them... that doesnt seem feasible - especially with 1000's of programs
[23:19] <maco> only bug fixes happen on stable releases
[23:19] <maco> !sru | NRyan115
[23:19] <James147> NRyan115: there are many many many packages for kubuntu... also kubuntu is a OS not a company :)
[23:20] <NRyan115> I know I was using it as an example
[23:20] <maco> but, we have scripts that are run a few times each development cycle that check for new upstream releases. if they exist, we package them
[23:20] <maco> within debian there are a few people assigned to watch each upstream project, and they keep up on the security bulletins going out from upstreams
[23:20] <James147> NRyan115: what tends to happen is the developers package new versions for the development release.... and once they release the version they do minor bug fixes or add newer software to backport repos
[23:21] <maco> if the package they maintain has a security patch, they package up the patch and push it into debian, and we pull it into kubuntu
[23:21] <maco> (debian has over 1000 developers, ubuntu has only ~150)
[23:22] <maco> if you split the task of watching for emails notifying of new releases over ~1200 people... it becomes much smaller :)
[23:22] <LineVass> If I'm setting up /tmp on a separate FS, what does the permission mask need to be?
[23:23] <NRyan115> ok having a script to check for updates makes things easier except how can you know that the script is chekcing the right place? I mean, some projects have a website and if they create a new version they change their website to say "new version 2.0 click here to download" and then you know they have a new version. You can write a script to check for that because they could change their site at any time or decide not to post that on the
[23:23] <NRyan115>  homepage but rather just change the download link
[23:23] <maco> (which isnt to say we couldnt use more help in ubuntu...we dont have nearly as many developers as debian yet!
[23:23] <maco> NRyan115: watch files can be done many different ways
[23:23] <James147> NRyan115: most project follow a naming scheme to make it easier...
[23:23] <moldy> i installed fglrx. now, the system does not hang anymore, but i cannot login in kdm. i am immediately thrown back at the login prompt. logging in on the console works fine.
[23:23] <maco> a very common one is to say "look for a .tar.gz in this directory on this server, and check the version number in its filename"
[23:24] <slow-motion> n8
[23:25] <LineVass> NRyan115: All of this stuff you're asking about is handled in a standardized way through the package manager, in ubuntu's case apt-get (or whatever GUI you throw on top of it)
[23:25] <James147> moldy: check to make sure you dont ahve any files owned by root (or anyone other then you) in your home directory (specifically look at the hidden files)
[23:25] <LineVass> In gentoo it's emerge, in centOS it's yum, etc
[23:25] <NRyan115> I am aware of naming convensions but I have used tons of software in the past that when I go to download the newest version I find that they moved the entire download location to another link, or changed from a dedicated file server to rapidshare or so many other things
[23:26] <Ash-Fox> NRyan115, again, the distribution packages the software.
[23:26] <albuquerquehow> how are you
[23:26] <NRyan115> I just dont understand how you can make it sound so simple to 'just check for the latest version' in the repositories
[23:26] <LineVass> NRyan115: If you don't install it through the package manager then the package manager won't handle it in any form including installs, updates, etc.
[23:26] <James147> NRyan115: thats windows not linux :) linux do things the proper way
[23:26] <albuquerquehow> where are you
[23:26] <moldy> James147: hm, i will check that, but it shouldn't be the case. this is a fresh install.
[23:26] <James147> NRyan115: allot of software is on site like sourceforge and can be easaly checked
[23:27] <LineVass> NRyan115: For example, if I build something from scratch, like download the tar.gz off sourceforge and build it myself... then the package manager won't update it or alert you when it's out of date. you have to do that manually in that case.
[23:27] <NRyan115> ok LineVass I am not asking how I the end user keep my software up to date I am asking about how the repositories are kept up tot date because I want to understand how everything works not just how it affects me like a dummy user
[23:27] <LineVass> oh, like their internal management structure?
[23:27] <James147> moldy: just mantioning it as being thrown to the login is a symptom of not being able to access a file in your home directory
[23:28] <moldy> any idea which log file i could look at to diagnose the error?
[23:28] <maco> NRyan115: want to become a developer? we could use more hands
[23:29] <NRyan115> Right now, the only ting I understand is Windows - and I want to learn more about Linux and Kubuntu. I am not a dumb person, just an ignorant one in reguard to Linux.
[23:29] <James147> NRyan115: allot of the software in kubuntu os free opensource software... allot of open source progjects use sourceforce or similar sites to host their entire project... it makes things alot easier for people to get the latest stuff in a standard way then
[23:30] <moldy> hmm. i created another user. when i login as that user, it works.
[23:30] <NRyan115> So, what I am "used to" is Windows update which is run by Microsoft and only updates Microsoft products. Alternatively, you can get hardware updates too but only if the 3rd party company provides the updates to microsoft
[23:30] <James147> moldy: then that hevaly suggest a problem with your home directoy
[23:30] <maco> NRyan115: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule this is how our release schedule works.  ive already linked you to the stable release updates info page
[23:31] <LineVass> But is your question how a project, say Mozilla's Firefox team, communicates with the Ubuntu team to coordinate updates? Maco's link should have details on that.
[23:31] <moldy> James147: i will try with an empty one
[23:31] <James147> moldy: I highly suggest checking for root owned files in ~/  (~/.ICEauthority  has abeen a problem in the past)
[23:31] <moldy> James147: all files in ~ are owned by the user
[23:31] <maco> NRyan115: for example, here's a package i help maintain http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/report.php?package=spim&Display=Submit+Query
[23:32] <moldy> James147: i didn't search the entrie ~ tree, but the files directly in ~ are fine
[23:32] <LineVass> James147: The issue I had earlier... I can resolve it when I remove the /tmp setup from my fstab. What _should_ the /tmp permission mask be?
[23:32] <James147> moldy: even the hidden files?
[23:32] <moldy> James147: yes
[23:32] <James147> moldy: hmm...
[23:32] <NRyan115> That is one way to word my question.... except I wouldnt word it that way because it seems unlikely that with 100+ distros that Mozilla is sending updates to each distro... ok wlel Maybe Mozilla is, but not Mom & Pop software hobbiest
[23:32] <James147> not sure which one is causeing a problem then... but its defently somewhere in ~
[23:32] <maco> NRyan115: check out the alioth link i showed
[23:33] <NRyan115> maco: can you do me a favor?
[23:33] <maco> NRyan115: thats how the maintainers of a package know when they need to package something new
[23:33] <maco> NRyan115: what?
[23:33] <James147> LineVass: full read write exec i think
[23:33] <NRyan115> My install of Kubuntu is requiring me to restart so would you be so kind to re link me to those 3 links after I restart?
[23:33] <maco> sure
[23:33] <NRyan115> I am still in live cd
[23:34] <NRyan115> thanks
[23:34] <moldy> James147: http://pastebin.com/e7zd84EQ
[23:35] <LineVass> James147: What about sticky bits? I was using 2777; This error blows my mind because it's clearly related to some other issues with kdm, but the tmp fixed it. I'd still like to have my tmp on a tmpfs filesystem... but right now letting /tmp be part of the root system lets everything work
[23:35] <NRyan115> I genuinely appreciate anyone and everyone who is putting up with my ignorance and who are trying to help me learn. AND especially for helping me with my install problem
[23:35] <NRyan115> I will be back in a minute
[23:36] <surunveri> hi
[23:36] <surunveri> could someone help me with installing java for firefox :D
[23:36] <James147> LineVass: what where you using to mount it in fstab? (the full line)
[23:36] <surunveri> on kubuntu
[23:36] <bronze> Anyone know if its possible to convert an LVM based system into regular device-partitions based system?  i want to conver a Fedora system to a multi-boot - Kubuntu-Fedora
[23:36] <LineVass> tmpfs   /tmp    tmpfs   size=1G,mode=2777       0       0
[23:36] <moldy> bronze: i think you will have to copy it over
[23:37] <James147> LineVass: i had it working without the mode=2777 optiuon
[23:37] <LineVass> I'll remove that  and see what happens
[23:38] <LineVass> THanks
[23:38] <moldy> James147: i copied all the stuff from the backed up homedir into the empty one, and now everything seems to be fine. weird.
[23:39] <James147> bronze: short answer: no   .... long answer: if you have the space to create the partitions you should be able to copy the files over to that partition without much issue (you may need to edit /etc/fstab  and reinstall grub)
[23:39] <James147> moldy: must have been a config error.... just not sure which errored :)
[23:39] <bronze> James147: good thoughts. Thank you.
[23:40] <LineVass> James147: Thanks. It works. I guess I did something odd to the permissions.
[23:42] <James147> (btw, thank you LineVass for reminding me to set that up again on my system :D )
[23:42] <NRyan115> ok so I have a new problem
[23:43] <NRyan115> it asked me to restart after I installed kubuntu so I did.... but it didnt install any boot manager so I still only have a choice of Vista or XP
[23:44] <NRyan115> I thought Linux was supposed ot Install grub or something
[23:44]  * James147 wonders why it didnt do that... isnt sure how grub works in a RAID array
[23:44] <James147> NRyan115: it is ment to...
[23:44] <James147> !grub2 | NRyan115
[23:45] <NRyan115> yeah so umm now what?
[23:45] <LineVass> haha, no problem
[23:45] <NRyan115> I only get the default Microsoft Vista boot manager
[23:45] <James147> NRyan115: you could try that part int the above link about "Reinstalling from a livecd"  but I do not know how grub is ment to behave in a hardware RAID
[23:46] <LineVass> NRyan115: Depending on how well supported your hardware driver is, you might need to create a separate /boot partition for it
[23:47] <James147> ^^ although you probally want to replace /dev/sdX[y] with /dev/mapper/YOURRAIDDRIVE
[23:47] <James147> LineVass: why should that matter... if /boot is raided it wont matter if its on a seperate partition
[23:48] <James147> LineVass: and I dont see a way to unraid one partiton :)
[23:48] <NRyan115> I have already delete XP manually - just not from my boot manager yet, but where XP used to be can be used for any boot manager needed
[23:48] <NRyan115> what I do not understand is if there was an issue with installing the boot manager why ddint it ask me what I wanted to do, or give me an error
[23:49] <James147> NRyan115: that wont matter... grub will install over windows bootloader and should handle bootin windows and linux
[23:49] <NRyan115> this seems like the hardest OS install I have ever done lol
[23:49] <NRyan115> yes but it clearly didnt lol :(
[23:50] <LineVass> I wasn't claer enugh. I meant to say the /boot might need to be non-raided, because the boot loader needs someway to access the raid-5, and so that driver has to fit into the boot loader
[23:50] <James147> NRyan115: its not normally that hard :) although most people dont have a raid array :)
[23:51] <James147> LineVass: although on a system with 3 raied drives it is almost impossible to create a seperate /boot partition on a non raided drive.... without losing data
[23:51] <NRyan115> True most do not, but raid arrays are common enough nowadays that they have been hardware integrated onto motherboards for 5+ years now
[23:51] <surunveri> java works for me with konqueror
[23:51] <LineVass> Out of morbid curiosity, is this an nvidia on-board raid controller?
[23:51] <surunveri> but not with firefox
[23:51] <NRyan115> yes
[23:51] <LineVass> haha, ok
[23:51] <LineVass> i have one of those too. never have used it
[23:51] <surunveri> how to make it work with firefox too?
[23:52] <NRyan115> err I believe so
[23:52] <James147> NRyan115: try reinstalling grub from the live cd https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202
[23:53] <NRyan115> ok I can try to follow those directions
[23:54] <NRyan115> also, there should be no need to have a non raid partition. Kubuntu should be better than windows right? So fi windows can do it, linux should be able to as well :p
[23:54] <NRyan115> haha
[23:54] <James147> NRyan115: I would think so :)
[23:54] <LineVass> Ryan: that's a good point. I don't know if those raid drivers are supported, but they're not so esoteric
[23:55] <LineVass> so there's a good chance they are
[23:55] <LineVass> but if they're not, then you'd need a separate one.
[23:55] <James147> NRyan115: i am not entirly sure which drive you want to install grub to though... never done it on a RAID array before
[23:56] <NRyan115> ok stop saying that james... you dont need to end every sentance with "on a raid array before" lol
[23:56] <ikonia> grub goes on the mbr of the physical disk, not the raid array
[23:56] <LineVass> all 3?
[23:56] <Nazdravi> any one recommend a dedicated from email server package? It can run on a dedicated box...any OS or even it's own OS if possible....
[23:56] <James147> although the /dev/sdXY in sudo mount /dev/sdXY   should be where kubuntu is installed (/dev/mapper/....)
[23:57] <ikonia> Nazdravi: exim or postfix
[23:57] <Nazdravi> ikonia: Thanks :-)
[23:58] <NRyan115> "Note: If the user has a separate /boot partition, this must be mounted to /mnt/boot" I am not even sure if this applies to me or not
[23:58] <James147> NRyan115: i dosent
[23:58] <ikonia> Nazdravi: do you have a seperate boot partition ?
[23:58] <James147> it ^^
[23:58] <ikonia> Nazdravi: oops, sorry, not you
[23:58] <ikonia> that was for NRyan115
[23:58] <surunveri> hi can anyone telle me how to make Java work with firefox.. it works with konqueror
[23:59] <NRyan115> I am not sure what constitused a separate boot partition
[23:59] <James147> NRyan115: you only created a partition for / and swap so you dont
[23:59] <NRyan115> I had 2 versins of windows dual booting and boot.iti was on the first partition
[23:59] <tortoise7> hi folks, i am trying out the latest ubuntu and would like to use Kmail, however, when it comes to the password portion of kmail setup, reports that kwallet is not found....i have kwallet manager and synaptic reports the presence of several other kde aspects but NO wallet.... pointer to a  solution ..... please