[00:00] <Hellow|SSH> Now it's displaying little after the grub menu.
[00:00] <Hellow|SSH> It shows some for around a second with the intial startup screen, then nothing.
[00:02] <penguin42> hmm ok, not sure why - were you running fglrx ?
[00:03] <Hellow|SSH> Yes, but I removed the xorg.conf file that declared for fglrx to be used.
[00:03] <penguin42> hmm ok, I would have expected that to work
[00:03] <penguin42> I'm running a 4350
[00:03] <Hellow|SSH> hmm
[00:04] <penguin42> what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log say now?
[00:50] <wers> I want to test Maverick and am currently on Lucid. would installing the .iso be any "cleaner" than update-manager -d?
[01:04] <funkyHat> Ooh alt works again in gnome-terminal ⡈)
[01:05] <funkyHat> wers: possibly. Either way is helpful for testing though
[01:05] <funkyHat> wers: one way you're testing the upgrade path, the other way you're testing the installer ⡈)
[01:05] <funkyHat> I tend to always upgrade, personally
[01:05] <shadeslayer> wers: short answer, yes
[01:06] <penguin42> yeh, although upgrading does tend to throw up some weird stuff
[01:06] <funkyHat> I tend to upgrade really really early, so I probably get even more weird stuff ;D
[01:06] <wers> funkyHat and shadeslayer thanks
[01:06] <penguin42> ditto
[01:06] <wers> ok. maybe, I'll just install the alpha 3 iso :)
[01:07] <wers> does anyone know the md5 of alpha 3 i386? Can't find it
[01:08] <kklimonda> wers: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/alpha-3/
[01:08] <wers> kklimonda, thanks!
[01:13] <NinoScript> between desktop and netbook editions, which applications are different? (I'm asking "non interface" wise)
[01:14] <NinoScript> ohh, and of course, I'm asking about maverick specific changes if there are any :)
[02:36] <bcurtiswx> someone in a mood to confirm a graphics issue for me
[02:36] <bcurtiswx> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1156&bih=667&q=sun&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> go there, and try using your laptop mousepad up and down scroll
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> it cause the kernel to freak out
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> thats the specifics
[02:37] <bcurtiswx> NOTE: make sure you have your mouse on an image
[02:53] <wrigglesworth> Hi guys. I just installed ubuntu 10.1 on my pc and basically every looked normal for a while but after a restart everything is huge. When I try to change the screen resolution it just expands the desktop to off the screen. Sound familiar to anyone? Can anyone help?
[02:55] <kklimonda> interesting, I've learnt today that there were pentium 4 cpus with EM64T
[02:55] <kklimonda> well, they are still here
[03:32] <Sylphid> hey all, how can I open an app on the netbook remix when unity search results do not include the app and alt+f2 does not work ... will i need to launch from a tty?
[03:34] <ZykoticK9> Sylphid, anything that would run from alt+f2 "should" run from terminal ;)
[03:35] <Sylphid> ZykoticK9, right, i can launch it from there but i was wondering if there was a graphical way to launch it since alt+f2 is broken in the netbook remix
[03:36] <ZykoticK9> Sylphid, sorry I haven't played with Unity at all.  Good luck.
[03:36] <Sylphid> ZykoticK9, gnome-terminal is missing from unity so switching to a tty to launch is a pain
[04:40] <DanaG> Say, the "progs" dir in xorg-edgers "apt-get source mesa" is missing!
[05:04] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/621006
[05:04] <DanaG> argh.
[05:04] <DanaG> Means I can't use "radeon".
[07:38] <DanaG> hmm, unity is broken/
[07:38] <DanaG> GetGroupProperties is not a valid method of interface org.ayatana.dbusmenu.
[09:09] <DanaG> weird... my btrfs is showing full when I make a single huge file, even when it's only 70% full in reality.
[09:11] <DanaG> weird... my btrfs is showing full when I make a single huge file, even when it's only 70% full in reality.
[09:11] <DanaG> er
[09:11] <DanaG> sorry, thought my message got lost.
[09:27] <DanaG> argh, appmenu-gtk makes firefox crash 100% of the time you try to start it.
[09:27] <kklimonda> it also leaks memory like hell
[09:35] <cm9> How would I configure maverick meerkat to triple boot? Say I had two os's installed already (win7 & ubuntu), then I resized and installed winxp afterwards and it overwrote the MBR. What's the best way to rewrite it and include winxp as an option too?
[13:33] <sebsebseb> Hi
[13:34] <penguin42> Hi
[13:41] <sebsebseb> penguin42: hi
[14:48] <BUGabundo> guud afternoon
[14:54] <penguin42> hi
[14:56]  * BUGabundo tries his luck again
[14:56] <BUGabundo> anyone here with good knowlagde in SSDs and btrfs ?
[15:00] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[15:00] <charlie-tca> Not me for those things...
[15:00] <BUGabundo> hey hey big C
[15:01] <vish> BIG C!
[15:01] <vish> :D
[15:09] <Dink> Is there a way to find what proc is using up all my memory and swapping ?
[15:10] <Dink> actually better yet just swapping not using all memory
[15:10] <BUGabundo> Dink: atop 2
[15:10] <BUGabundo> them press m
[15:12] <Dink> Which column shows swap usage per proc ?
[15:13] <Dink> MEM | tot    2.0G | free  542.9M | cache 934.5M | buff   24.3M | slab   46.2M |
[15:13] <Dink> SWP | tot    1.9G | free  730.2M |              | vmcom   2.9G | vmlim   2.8G |
[15:14] <Dink> Trying to figure out why ~1.2G of swap used
[15:15] <lfaraone_> On my computer, which I just upgraded yesterday, Plymouth stops during boot, it just seems stuck there. On recovery mode, I don't get to the recovery menu. http://img442.imageshack.us/i/imageab.jpg/ is a screenie of my console. How can I figure out the problem?
[15:15] <penguin42> Dink: You could try grep Swap /proc/*/smaps and figure out where it's coming from
[15:15] <lfaraone_> Dink: Linux may swap out processes if they aren't being used even if you have sufficient RAM.
[15:15] <penguin42> Dink: Although of course the fact that something IS swapped doesn't mean its the hog, it could be something else pushing your perfectly helpful app out of the way
[15:16] <penguin42> lfaraone: 1.2G is a bit extreme though!
[15:16] <Dink> penguin42, yeah that was my concern as well and it seems to just grow
[15:16] <lfaraone|mobile> penguin42: It depends on a number of factors. His RAM usage may have peaked at one point and the data has not been accessed yet.
[15:17] <penguin42> Dink: Normal trick is just run top and sort by memory usage and see who is the biggest user
[15:17] <penguin42> Dink: Do you actually currently have free memory or is all used up?
[15:17] <Dink> Usually free memory
[15:18] <Dink> about 500M free right now
[15:18] <penguin42> ok, as lfaraone suggested it sounds like something peaked a while ago, pushed it out and went away
[15:20] <Dink> hmm
[15:20] <Dink> grep Swap /proc/*/smaps |awk '{print $2,$3,$1}' |sort -rn | head -2
[15:20] <Dink> 10148 kB /proc/2127/smaps:Swap:
[15:20] <Dink> 8604 kB /proc/2129/smaps:Swap:
[15:20] <Dink> $ ps -ef |grep 2127
[15:20] <Dink> user       2127     1  0 Aug19 ?        00:42:52 xchat
[15:21] <lfaraone|mobile> !paste | Dink
[15:21] <Dink> sorry
[15:22] <Dink> so looks like memory got used up and pushed xchat into swap ?
[15:22] <Dink> and whatever app that did it ended hence the free memory now?
[15:23] <penguin42> Dink: Probably, although if you are 1.2G into swap and have 512M free that still suggests soemthing big is hanging around
[15:24] <penguin42> also if those are the largest entries in Swap that doesn't sound like 1.2G does it (although I've never used those Swap fields before)
[15:30] <dutchie> am i seeing a bug, or is it very hard to get the "stay in launcher"/"remove" menu up in unity?
[15:34] <lfaraone|mobile> crimsun_: Poke.
[15:35] <wers> I installed gnome-shell from the official repo. unfortunately, it doesn't run
[15:35] <wers> I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/481899/
[15:35] <wers> what could be the workaround?
[15:49] <BUGabundo> what's the difference between kingston SSD v and v+ series?
[15:51] <penguin42> a + ?
[15:55] <BUGabundo> stop being sarcastic :(
[15:55] <BUGabundo> I need help!
[15:56] <charlie-tca> hmm, looks like a "+" to me too. Maybe a "Thanks, penguin42 " is in order?
[15:56] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[15:56] <penguin42> me? Sarcastic? Noooooo
[15:56] <penguin42> BUGabundo: What's your actual problem?
[15:57] <BUGabundo> I order a SSD
[15:57] <BUGabundo> a kingston 64GBs
[15:57] <penguin42> ok
[15:57] <BUGabundo> and now I find out about this '+' series
[15:57] <BUGabundo> (the other question is how is current support of btrfs in sdd in MM)
[15:57] <penguin42> Well the + is likely to be newer, faster or less buggy
[15:58] <penguin42> Or just more expensive - but one assumes they added the + later
[15:58] <lfaraone|mobile> penguin42: Newer and faster usually go hand in hand with more bugs.
[15:58] <penguin42> lfaraone|mobile: Indeed, the other possibility is that the + is the one where they fixed the bugs
[16:00] <penguin42> BUGabundo: + has larger cache, available in larger sizes, has a garbage collect, and looks faster from the spec sheet
[16:01] <penguin42> BUGabundo: http://www.kingston.com/ssd/vplus-series.asp   vs http://www.kingston.com/ssd/v-series.asp
[16:01] <BUGabundo> lfaraone you mean maverick has more bugs then lucid??
[16:01] <BUGabundo> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[16:01] <penguin42> oh and bizarrely it looks like you can shake it harder while its running
[16:02] <lfaraone|mobile> BUGabundo: I thought that was obvious.
[16:02] <BUGabundo> penguin42: LOL
[16:02] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Hey there's always a faster/newer/quicker thing out there - and I bet the + costs more
[16:03] <BUGabundo> I know
[16:03] <lfaraone|mobile> The week after I got my 1TB HD they dropped the price of the 1.5TB.
[16:03] <lfaraone|mobile> C'est la vie.
[16:03] <BUGabundo> gonna go with what ever I order then
[16:04] <BUGabundo> most prob non v+
[16:04] <BUGabundo> thanks penguin42
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Anyone running Xubuntu Maverick got time to confirm a terminal bug?
[17:08] <penguin42> I can probably get a vm into it
[17:10] <penguin42> charlie-tca: Is this lxterminal ?
[17:10] <charlie-tca> no, xfce4-terminal
[17:10] <penguin42> ok, got it
[17:11] <charlie-tca> It's easy, just click edit -> preferences, click each tab, then click close
[17:11]  * penguin42 has a VM with lubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu all in
[17:11] <charlie-tca> The bug is bug 609500
[17:11] <penguin42> *bang*
[17:11] <charlie-tca> The terminal window closes when close is hit after going through the preferences
[17:12] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:12] <penguin42> yep same bug
[17:12] <charlie-tca> Kind of irritating, but not really serious
[17:13] <penguin42> confirmed
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Great! Thank you very much
[17:14] <penguin42> np
[17:15] <Dink> penguin42: and lfaraone: the issue seemed to be mutter. Once I killed the proc and it spawned again my memory looks normal now
[17:15] <Dink> 1gb ram used and no swap
[17:16] <lfaraone|mobile> Dink: Ah, mk.
[17:16] <Dink> Also trying out irssi vs xchat to help use less memory
[17:21] <lapion> anyone know how to activate an iwl2100 wifi card with a software power button ?
[17:23] <penguin42> lapion: Do you have a /sys/class/rfkill ?
[17:31] <lapion> rfkill list :
[17:32] <lapion> Hard blocked: yes
[17:33] <penguin42> do you have /sys/class/rfkill/rfkill0 and is there a soft and hard file in there?
[17:36] <lapion> yes
[17:36] <penguin42> if you cat soft and cat hard what do they show ?
[17:37] <lapion> hard=1 soft=0
[17:38] <penguin42> hmm same as mine, and the hard on mine corresponds to an actual switch
[17:38] <penguin42> you could always try echo 0 > hard    but I doubt it will work
[17:39] <lapion> there is a hardware pushbutton..
[17:40] <lapion> yeah echo 1 > hard , gives permission denied
[17:40] <penguin42> even in a sudo -s shell? (sudo echo 1 > hard     won't work)
[17:40] <lapion> however echo 1 > soft does work...
[17:40] <lapion> yes
[17:41] <penguin42> so if the soft is 0 and you have a hardware button for the hard one what's the problem?
[17:42] <lapion> it's a pseudo hardware button
[17:42] <lapion> one of the regular keyboard buttons
[17:43] <penguin42> oh I see, I've got a nice actual switch on this one
[17:43] <lapion> sorry regular keyboard multimedia buttons on laptops
[17:43] <lapion> what values do you have for uevent ?
[17:43] <penguin42> actually, I don't think I've found the equivalent on my eeepc
[17:44] <penguin42> lapion: NAME=phy0, TYPE=wlan STATE=2
[17:44] <lapion> the other files..
[17:45] <lapion> or rfkill0/power/control mine is set to auto
[17:45] <penguin42> ditto
[17:46] <cmeiklejohn> hi there
[17:46] <penguin42> hi
[17:46] <cmeiklejohn> how goes it?
[17:46] <penguin42> not too bad
[17:47] <cmeiklejohn> I was just wondering if someone else could confirm a bug for me if they had a minute --
[17:47] <cmeiklejohn> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/621852
[17:48] <cmeiklejohn> Wasn't sure if I had a misconfiguration that was the root of the problem.
[17:49]  * penguin42 doesn't use empathy
[17:49] <cmeiklejohn> ah, ok.
[18:59] <AndrewMC> What is better install mavric via a fresh install or doing an upgrade via update manager. Or does it matter?
[19:00] <penguin42> AndrewMC: Tend to get a few more issues on the upgrade
[19:00] <AndrewMC> I figured
[19:00] <AndrewMC> Thanks
[19:00]  * penguin42 tends to upgrade and I generally need to fix a few things
[19:01] <AndrewMC> I will do a fresh install
[19:19] <lfaraone> On my computer, which I just upgraded yesterday, Plymouth stops during boot, it just seems stuck there. On recovery mode, I don't get to the  recovery menu. http://img442.imageshack.us/i/imageab.jpg/ is a screenie of my console. How can I figure out the problem?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> removed quiet splash from the boot line?
[19:24] <lfaraone> charlie-tca: I did, and plymouth still comes up. (the screenshot was in recovery mode)
[19:25] <IdleOne> anybody unable to change volume by hovering mouse over the volume icon?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> IdleOne: working in xubuntu
[19:26] <IdleOne> I have to click on it then the mouse wheel will adjust the volume
[19:26] <IdleOne> it's a little annoying, didn't this happen in Lucid also before release?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> lfaraone: I don't see anything in that screenshot should be stopping the boot from working
[19:28] <lfaraone> charlie-tca: right, but it just sat there....
[19:28] <charlie-tca> but sometimes I don't know what to look for
[19:29] <charlie-tca> hmm, wonder if "acpi=off" would change it?
[19:38] <penguin42> IdleOne: Yeh same here
[19:38] <penguin42> IdleOne: It'll be the new indicator thing
[19:39] <IdleOne> I think they should rename the applets, make it just a little less intuitive. Indicator Applet is way to easy to figure out
[19:40] <lfaraone> charlie-tca: screen of single user mode with acpi off, screen of GRUB as I'm entereing the boot parameters for normal mode, and screen of normal boot, respectively.
[19:41] <lfaraone> http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/1545/img1760b.jpg, http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8430/img1761t.jpg, http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/5513/img1762c.jpg
[19:47] <charlie-tca> did you have nvidia hardware drivers installed?
[19:48] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to fix it now. Nvidia drivers are causing issues in maverick this week
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Maybe someone else will jump in?
[19:48] <lfaraone> charlie-tca: I think I did.
[19:48] <lfaraone> charlie-tca: am I relegated to a reinstall at this point?
[19:49] <charlie-tca> I don't really know. There are people much more knowledgeable than I am, but they don't appear to be here today. Can you wait until tomorrow ?
[19:49] <yofel> bug 616023 is the most common nvidia issue currently
[19:57] <duffydack> Does the fglrx driver work yet?  I`ll install for rilz if so.
[19:58] <penguin42> duffydack: Don't think so
[19:58] <duffydack> penguin42, :( ok.  I dont like my fan running max constantly :)
[20:32] <lfaraone> charlie-tca: ah, ignoreABI workedforme.
[20:33] <charlie-tca> great!
[20:33] <yofel> :)
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Thanks, yofel
[20:33] <lfaraone> yofel: thanks for the pointer. I'm glad I had a recovery disk around.
[20:35] <yofel> np, actually, if plymouth gets stuck ever again try sysrq+k which should kill it (that gave me a working console at least) - forgot to mention that
[20:35] <yofel> (sysrq+k would be alt+print+k usually)
[20:47] <DanaG> ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on com.Gwibber.Searches:/com/gwibber/Searches: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.Gwibber.Searches was not provided by any .service files
[20:55] <WaY> hello
[20:56] <WaY> what happends with amsn that opens two tasks in kde 4.5 taskbar? and one of them is like hanged up
[21:15] <DasEi> apt-get source linux-image-2.6.35-17-generic      can't find the kernelsources, any trick about it ?
[21:16] <WaY> apt-get update ; apt-get source linux-image-2.6.35-17-generic --fix-missing
[21:27] <DanaG> stupid gwibber... doesn't show any messages at all!
[21:29] <BUGabundo> +1
[21:29] <BUGabundo> I just have it closed
[21:29] <BUGabundo> it dies way too much
[21:29] <yofel> oh nice, nvidia just crashed kwin, the restarted kwin works fine, but I have snow on my screen, as in pixels with wrong color
[21:29] <yofel> #6  0x00007faa180c472e in ?? () from /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libnvidia-glcore.so.256.44
[21:30] <yofel> feels like snow on nice old analog TVs...
[21:34] <DasEi> WaY: tried, still not found, does it work on your system ?
[21:35] <yofel> DasEi: works fine here http://paste.ubuntu.com/482025/
[21:35] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/614742
[21:36] <WaY> yes
[21:36] <WaY> it works fine on mine
[22:23] <DasEi> yofel, way. thanks for reply, my repos where borked, done now
[22:24] <WaY> nice
[22:41] <Daekdroom> Is anyone else having problem with unresponsive nautilus?
[22:46] <DanaG> Weird, espeak crashes when I tell it to speak this string I found in the ATI binary driver:
[22:46] <DanaG>  ooboghieteipheilahpheengohnashoahveerohpithaewaxaepheepaiquevuhpahmaezosengoinoraeteichyaighaidxieghoghaichoocheecaesalphoothizhoonaethpohvahniouzaghiezoquahbaleikohpoaiyooyaueuroothoeefohsah
[22:48] <DanaG> And there seems to be no espeak-dbg package.
[22:55] <Daekdroom> DanaG, I wonder..
[22:58] <DanaG> Buffer overflow.
[22:58] <DanaG> Must not be expecting to get a string that long. =þ
[23:00] <Daekdroom> Nautilus is deadly slow here. Apparently too much I/O
[23:00] <yofel> you can check IO with iotop
[23:00] <Daekdroom> I tried, and it magically started working
[23:00] <Daekdroom> Weee
[23:00] <Daekdroom> Or not
[23:01] <Daekdroom> But definitely not I/O
[23:01] <Daekdroom> I think it's the ubuntu one plugin
[23:02] <Daekdroom> It makes rendering too slow. I'll try to switch GTK+ engine
[23:14] <Viper550> hey
[23:26]  * BUGabundo is trying to get xmacro to work
[23:26] <BUGabundo> how does this thing read a file?
[23:47] <wers> Can't install gnome-shell. I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/482064/
[23:47] <wers> it may have something to do with conflicting packages with Unity or Firefox-4.0
[23:48] <wers> I already did ppa-purge the corresponding ppa's (Canonical DX and Mozilla Daily). any idea why I can't meet the gnome-shell dependencies?
[23:56] <wers> just found out that ppa-purge wasn't able to downgrade some (if not all) packages from the Mozilla Daily PPA. I hope, i don't have to reinstall Maverick to make sure all traces of the PPA are gone