[00:25] <kermiac> vish: ping re bugsquad mentors... last time we discussed stlsaint you said that you needed to find out if maco's students were active or not. Has there been any progress made on that? Thanks mate
[00:47] <kklimonda> I need a volunteer with lucid :)
[00:47] <penguin42> I've still got one lucid machine
[00:47] <kklimonda> well, in 10 minutes :)
[00:48] <kklimonda> great, I'll give you a simple python script to run :)
[00:48] <penguin42> will it hurt
[00:48] <kklimonda> well, not much ;)
[00:48] <kklimonda> nah, it's safe
[00:50] <kklimonda> penguin42: can you run http://pastebin.com/NBXQfNqM ?
[00:51] <penguin42> just give me a sec
[00:51] <kklimonda> hmm, no
[00:51] <kklimonda> it won't work yet :)
[00:52] <kklimonda> http://pastebin.com/5RELuMsF this one may though
[00:54] <kklimonda> hmm.. not yet.. argh..
[00:54] <kklimonda> but I'm close
[00:54] <penguin42> ok, so it's failing to load ;ibcuchdb-glib-1.0.so.2
[00:54] <penguin42> libcouchdb-glib-1.0.so.2
[00:55] <kklimonda> hmm.. can you show me result of ls /usr/lib/libcouchdb-glib* ?
[00:55]  * penguin42 wonders if any of the pastebins are wget'able
[00:55] <kklimonda> I think the abi has changed in maverick
[00:55] <kklimonda> yeah, there is at least one
[00:55] <kklimonda> I don't remember how its called right now
[00:55] <kklimonda> and it's awesome
[00:56] <penguin42> kklimonda: So, I haven't got libcouchdb-glib installed - it looks like I took it out to trim the machine down; however I can put it back
[00:57] <kklimonda> no, it's fine - I can get it to test at maverick with some additional work
[00:57] <kklimonda> and it still doesn't work as expected :)
[00:58] <penguin42> ok, with that installed
[00:58] <penguin42> it outputs nothing
[00:59] <kklimonda> great
[00:59] <kklimonda> and this one: http://pastebin.com/tFsGFSRz ?
[00:59] <penguin42> libcouchdb-glib-1.0-2
[01:00] <penguin42> ** (process:1802): DEBUG: You will see this message
[01:01] <kklimonda> thanks
[01:02] <kklimonda> and if you set COUCHDB_ENV_DEBUG_MESSAGES=1 in terminal?
[01:02] <kklimonda> export COUCHDB_ENV_DEBUG_MESSAGES=1 even
[01:02] <kklimonda> or something similar depending on your shell
[01:03] <penguin42> no change
[01:03] <kklimonda> hmm..
[01:03] <kklimonda> oh well, doesn't really matter
[01:05] <hggdh> stlsaint: pong
[01:05] <penguin42> you good? Can I turn this little guy off again?
[01:06] <kklimonda> penguin42: sure, thanks for helping :)
[01:06] <penguin42> np
[01:06] <penguin42> kklimonda: It's a little eeepc I picked up cheap a couple of weeks ago
[01:07] <kklimonda> little? 7" one? :)
[01:07] <penguin42> 10" 1001HA
[01:07] <kklimonda> ah, not that little - those 10" are pretty cool
[01:07] <penguin42> yeh, I saw it 2nd hand for a reasonable price (although it looks like netbook prices are starting to come down finally)
[01:08] <penguin42> wireless was a bit of a fight, but other than that it's sweet
[01:09] <kklimonda> hmm.. can you tell me a color that starts with the leter d?
[01:09] <penguin42> hmm
[01:09] <kklimonda> ah, wikipedia has it :)
[01:10] <kklimonda> desert looks nice
[01:10] <penguin42> the only thing that matches that in rgb.txt is drab and Dark Orchid
[01:11] <kklimonda> drab..
[01:19] <penguin42> time for bed
[02:06] <drew212> what do we do for firefox bugs if a new profile fixes the bug, but it isn't caused by a specific extension?
[04:31] <nigelb> stlsaint: pong?
[04:54] <somethinginteres> I just upgraded my kernel through the update manager and my HDAV1.3 Deluxe sound card stopped working. I booted into the old version of the kernel and the sound works. I've been asked to file a bug report - how do I file a useful one against the new kernel release?
[04:54] <abhijit> hello all
[04:55] <abhijit> :)
[04:55] <micahg> somethinginteres: ubuntu-bug linux
[04:55] <abhijit> one more function key bug from me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:55] <abhijit> anyone pleae triage this?
[04:55] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-do/+bug/622064
[04:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622064 in gnome-do (Ubuntu) "function dont work while gnome-do is running (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[04:55] <abhijit> brb
[04:57] <somethinginteres> micahg: so I Alt+F2 and run that command while running the kernel version with the bug?
[04:58] <micahg> somethinginteres: yep
[04:58] <somethinginteres> micahg: righto
[05:06] <somethinginteres> micahg: what should I select for 'how would you describe the regression?' The update was from 'Linux 2.6.32-16-generic' to 'Linux 2.6.32-24-generic'
[05:07] <micahg> somethinginteres: what the actual regression you
[05:07] <micahg> re noticing is
[05:09] <somethinginteres> micahg: well I'm not sure if going from -16 to -24 constitutes a regression from an updated package of a stable release or a regression in a new stable release
[05:09] <micahg> somethinginteres: it's regression update, but they want to know what the regression iss
[05:10] <somethinginteres> micahg: you mean the exact issue I am experiencing right?
[05:10] <nigelb> hggdh: hm, I thought that was the right bug.
[05:10] <micahg> somethinginteres: yes
[05:10] <somethinginteres> micahg: I'll be sure to be as detailed as I can be. All I know for sure is my sound card is no longer recognised
[05:11] <micahg> somethinginteres: k
[05:11] <micahg> somethinginteres: what happens when you boot with -16
[05:11] <somethinginteres> micahg: sound works fine
[05:11] <micahg> somethinginteres: k
[05:16] <kklimonda> I find it disturbing that there are so many kernel regressions lately..
[05:16] <micahg> kklimonda: have you reported any?
[05:17] <nigelb> kklimonda: go hunt jfo ;)
[05:17] <abhijit> kermiac, ping
[05:18] <kklimonda> micahg: well, I haven't had problems myself
[05:19] <micahg> kklimonda: with the 10.04.1 release and LTS->LTS updates on there were bound to be regressions
[05:20] <abhijit> can anyone using gnome-do test test this condition and after testing if it affects you can you please mark it affect me also?
[05:20] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-do/+bug/622064
[05:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622064 in gnome-do (Ubuntu) "function dont work while gnome-do is running (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[05:20] <abhijit> hello????
[05:20] <micahg> abhijit: one cannot mark a bug affecting another
[05:21] <abhijit> micahg, i used the word 'if it affects you'
[05:21] <micahg> abhijit: sorry, a little tired :)
[05:21] <abhijit> :)
[05:21] <kklimonda> micahg: I'm not talking about LTS->LTS regressions - those are unavoidable. but I've seen quite a few people reporting problems after installing new kernel from -updates.
[05:22] <kklimonda> most of them related to sound btw - that's probably one nasty can of worms
[05:22] <micahg> kklimonda: oh, well, hmmm, that seems unusual, but 2.6.32 is a LTS kernel, so they might be trying to backport more stuff
[05:22] <nigelb> ew, yes.
[05:22] <nigelb> sound is nasty still.
[05:23] <kklimonda> I'd love to see a broad "certification program" from canonical and some message at the installation time like "Your computer has been certified" or "your hardware sucks - go buy something else" ;)
[05:23] <micahg> kklimonda: that's the microsoft way
[05:24] <nigelb> kklimonda: There is.
[05:24] <kklimonda> micahg: there has to be the reason why does Microsoft do it even with all manufacturers testing their hardware with windows.
[05:25] <micahg> kklimonda: they don't want to support older hardware, we want to when possible
[05:25] <kklimonda> most problems I deal with on our LoCo forum is related to either hardware or users installing software from shady places.
[05:25] <nigelb> kklimonda: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/
[05:25] <kklimonda> micahg: but I see no problem to test and certify a 5 years old laptop. well, problem other than lack of resources.
[05:25] <kklimonda> nigelb: I know about it bug the selection there is quite limited
[05:26] <micahg> kklimonda: that's a big problem, I'm sure someone wouldn't object to an app that tests hardware going into the archive :)
[05:26] <kklimonda> actually - anyone knows if there is OEM in Europe selling laptops with Ubuntu (or another linux?)
[05:26] <kklimonda> micahg: I'm not so sure about that - Canonical has such an app after all
[05:27] <kklimonda> If they were really interested in broader testing they would open source it
[05:27] <nigelb> I don't know of any besides Dell outside of US of A
[05:27] <kklimonda> Dell sells their ubuntu-powered hardware only in 3 countries from what I can see.
[05:30] <nigelb> Gah.
[05:30] <nigelb> try caling them up.
[05:31] <nigelb> if Providers like zareason and system76 provided service outside of usa, nothing like it.
[05:31] <maco> zareason does sell outside the usa
[05:31] <maco> they'll ship anywhere ups does
[05:32] <nigelb> well, yes, but most countries screw the buyer with customs,e tc
[05:32] <maco> right
[05:33] <kklimonda> and there is the problem with warranty.. sending it to us and back again would probably cost a small fortune
[05:34]  * nigelb agrees
[06:15] <vish> kermiac: turns out maco is not free atm either .. this is why i told stlsaint i would assign a mentor right then, i'm pretty sure there was an open slot back when he applied :(
[06:18] <ddecator> wish i had more time :(
[06:19] <vish> ddecator: hey! back? ;)
[06:19] <ddecator> vish: just to be social for the night unfortunately :/
[06:20] <vish> hehe..
[06:23] <somethinginteres> micahg: reported the regression. Thanks for the help
[06:23] <micahg> somethinginteres: np
[06:24] <vish> somethinginteres: thanks for adding the debdiff ;)
[06:24]  * vish should poke sponsors...
[06:25] <somethinginteres> vish: no worries. Sorry it took me so long - real life takes up my time :P
[06:25] <vish> somethinginteres: noo! you are not allowed to have a real life! ;p
[06:25] <somethinginteres> vish: :)
[06:27] <kermiac> ok, no probs vish.... I was just checking as he was asking again earlier
[06:27] <kermiac> abhijit: umm... pong??
[06:27] <abhijit> kerdekel, hey hello
[06:28] <abhijit> kermiac, i have one more function key bug can you triage it?
[06:28] <abhijit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-do/+bug/622064
[06:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622064 in gnome-do (Ubuntu) "function dont work while gnome-do is running (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[06:29] <vish> kerdekel: stlsaint: thats quite a busy slot , there are very few available mentors right now! :s  i'll keep an eye out for any changes.. :)
[06:29] <kermiac> abhijit: I can take a look in a while if noone else beats me to it, but I'm busy atm. sorry mate
[06:29] <vish> argh! kermiac ^
[06:29] <abhijit> kerdekel, np
[06:29] <abhijit> kermiac, np
[06:29] <ddecator> poor kerdekel
[06:29] <vish> kerdekel: seems to get a lot of kermiac's messages ;p
[06:30] <stlsaint> vish: well hello
[06:31] <vish> stlsaint: hey, finally you caught me ;)
[06:31] <ddecator> anyone else read stlsaint's "well hello" in a seductive voice?
[06:31] <vish> stlsaint: you ping me at quite the odd hours ;p
[06:31] <vish> ddecator: only you !
[06:31] <stlsaint> ddecator: your one of the special ones ;)
[06:32] <ddecator> been a long night, haha
[06:32] <stlsaint> vish: im sure others have bugged you about me bugging them by now
[06:32] <vish> stlsaint: also , instead of pings, just mention the message.... if it werent for kermiac i would still be wondering what you wanted.. :)
[06:32] <stlsaint> ^^
[06:34] <stlsaint> vish: alright so any word on the verdict?
[06:35] <vish> stlsaint: no one is free right now in your preferred time.. but have a look at the wiki and see if any other time slot works out for you..
[06:36]  * stlsaint sighs!! 
[06:36] <stlsaint> maybe im just not meant to be part of bug team!! This is second fail i get from here!
[06:37] <stlsaint> vish: and time? im in texas...are there no other mentors in texas?
[06:37] <ddecator> stlsaint: find some BC members from the area and convince them to be a mentor :)
[06:38]  * stlsaint sighs!! (once again)
[06:39] <micahg> we definitely have one member in texas ;)
[06:39] <micahg> s/member/mentor
[06:39] <ddecator> stlsaint: i'd help you out if i could
[06:40] <stlsaint> ddecator: i feel ya
[06:41] <vish> stlsaint: i dont know where each mentor lives ;p but have a look at the available mentors : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[06:42] <stlsaint> yea ive been there many times...even bookmarked it ;)
[06:42] <vish> heh..
[06:42] <vish> stlsaint: you should always listen to wise man's advice! ;p
[06:42]  * vish wise !!!
[06:44] <stlsaint> half the folks on that list dont even have an available time
[06:44] <ddecator> heh..
[06:45] <stlsaint> from my understanding there are literally hundreds of bug squad members yes?
[06:46] <stlsaint> so why only 15-20 mentors? without mentors folks cant become members yes?
[06:46] <vish> stlsaint: a mentor is *not* a requirement
[06:46] <micahg> stlsaint: not everyone wants a mentor
[06:46] <ddecator> right, just helps
[06:47] <vish> stlsaint: you can start triaging and ask questions here
[06:47]  * stlsaint goes to grab ol' trusty trout!!
[06:47] <vish> stlsaint: anyone who knows the ans will ans your questions
[06:48]  * stlsaint calls to ddecator to trout duel!!
[06:49] <ddecator> but i only have a salmon..
[06:49] <stlsaint> looks like your outta luck buddy
[06:50] <ddecator> looks like i am
[07:14] <abhijit> vish, you there?
[07:14] <vish> abhijit: nope ;p
[07:14] <abhijit> vish, you know about the lock screen short cut ? ctrl alt L
[07:14] <vish> abhijit: yeah.
[07:14] <abhijit> vish, so i need to submit bug against that lock shortcut. so which package to submit?
[07:15] <vish> abhijit: whats wrong with that? not working or..?
[07:15] <abhijit> vish, it is working. but it works on his own mood. not when I want it to.
[07:15] <vish> heh!
[07:15] <abhijit> :)
[07:16] <abhijit> vish, so which package to where ubuntu-bug <here> ?
[07:17] <vish> abhijit: gnomekbd
[07:17] <abhijit> vish, ok thanks
[07:17] <abhijit> vish, gnomekbd does not exist!
[07:18] <vish> hmm , i think thats the search i use in lp..
[07:18] <vish> let me check
[07:18] <abhijit> vish, is it libgnomekbd4? or libgnomekdb-dev or libgnomekbd-common?
[07:19] <abhijit> one more is there - gkbd-capplet
[07:19] <vish> abhijit: go with libgnomekbd4 , if its wrong , someone will switch it ;p
[07:19] <abhijit> vish, yah. :)
[07:21] <vish> abhijit: hmm , it might also be gnome-settings-daemon handling the shortcuts.. ;)
[07:22] <abhijit> vish, ohhh
[07:23] <somethinginteres> I'm thinking of testing a 'mainline' kernel to see if the sound bug I'm having is still present in it. The version I am running where the bug presents is '2.6.32-24-generic' - can someone point out to me the link to the correct version I should test from: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ (I can't find my version listed there)
[07:25] <abhijit> vish, should i make it I dont know or libgnokekbd4 or gnome-settings-daemon?
[07:25] <vish> abhijit: wait, let me check lp bugs and let you know..
[07:25] <abhijit> vish, ok
[07:29] <vish> abhijit: libgnomekbd ...
[07:29] <abhijit> vish, libgnomekbd4? ok i submit now
[07:30] <abhijit> vish, submitted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomekbd/+bug/622091
[07:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622091 in libgnomekbd (Ubuntu) "lock screen short cut working randomely (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[07:33] <abhijit> brb
[07:35] <somethinginteres> or do I actually want to use "current"? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/
[07:38] <vish> somethinginteres: current is better..
[07:39] <somethinginteres> vish: righto
[07:39] <somethinginteres> is there anywhere I should be sending my bug upstream or...
[07:39] <nigel_nb> somethinginteres: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/info/kernel-version-map.html
[07:39] <somethinginteres> should mention, this is it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/622070
[07:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622070 in linux (Ubuntu) "ASUS HDAV1.3 Deluxe sound card is not recognised after kernel update (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[07:40] <vish> nigel_nb: that map is mostly for comparing the versions.. not really needed for testing.. :)
[07:41] <vish> kernel wiki can benefit from some cleanup, to make it easier to know what they want..
[07:41] <nigel_nb> hm, I'm rusty.  Need to get back to triaging.
[07:42] <micahg> vish: it's useful to know which mainline version we're on and if there's an update to test
[07:44] <vish> micahg: yeah for *us*, but not for the person we recommend to test, we can know the current is updated or not by looking at the date of the update.
[07:45] <micahg> vish: others can read...
[07:45] <vish> micahg: yeah, it is interesting.. i meant the wiki can be a cleaner and easier to understand for someone new..
[07:46] <vish> it rather just has a random mention of the various kernels that can be tested, rather than what the kernel team wants tested
[07:47] <micahg> vish: well, there've been 12 upstream kernel updates since the version that we're using in Lucid
[07:47] <vish> micahg: do we want the user to test 12 version? ;)
[07:47] <vish> versions*
[07:49] <micahg> vish: maybe if it can narrow down the window where something was fixed
[07:53] <vish> micahg: one case i would think it is useful is when user reports that the latest 'current' kernel fixed his issue , not for every case...
[07:54] <maco> vish: no, you dont have them test in numerical order! you binary search so its log(n) intead of n!
[07:54] <maco> er not "n!" but "n"
[07:54] <maco> forgot, ! is factorial :P
[07:54] <nigel_nb> hah
[07:54] <maco> so if there've been 12, you have them test the 6th
[07:54] <vish> maco: hmm?
[07:54] <maco> and then if its fixed there, test the 3rd or if not then the 9th
[07:54] <vish> maco: how would one know how to test 12th?
[07:54] <nigel_nb> vish: its late and she's being sarcastic :p
[07:54] <vish> or 6th?
[07:55] <micahg> nigel_nb: no, I don't think she is
[07:55] <vish> nigel_nb: is she ever not? ;)
[07:55] <nigel_nb> vish: hahaha
[07:55] <maco> micahg suggested there'd been 12 revisions
[07:55] <maco> and vish, you asked "do we want them to test all 12"
[07:55] <micahg> so you should just need to test 4
[07:55] <maco> and im saying NO thatd be a waste of time
[07:55] <maco> itd be O(n) when you could do it in O(log(n)) if you do a binary search
[07:56] <micahg> maco: you're correct :)
[07:56] <micahg> binary search
[07:56] <maco> see? computer science degrees are useful!
[07:56] <nigel_nb> is just me who's lost?
[07:56] <vish> nigel_nb: me too!
[07:56] <micahg> 4 maximum
[07:56] <maco> when you're looking for a word in the dictionary, do you start at page 1 and go page by page?
[07:56] <nigel_nb> AH, I get it!
[07:56] <nigel_nb> sorry.
[07:56] <nigel_nb> Bisection method!
[07:56] <maco> yes
[07:57] <nigel_nb> see, *maths* is useful
[07:57] <nigel_nb> esspecially since I'm sitting in a maths class
[07:57] <lifeless> mmm maths
[07:57] <maco> shouldnt it be maths are useful?
[07:57] <nigel_nb> and I'm learning just that
[07:57] <maco> abbreviating it as a plural confuses my grammar
[07:57] <nigel_nb> bisection...
[07:58] <maco> vish: get it yet?
[07:58] <vish> micahg: what i wanted to mention is that, every kernel bug is being asked to test mainline kernel , but listing so many is not ideal , they should just say test this 'current' one , and if that works, we can go into disect.. keeping it simpler
[07:58]  * nigel_nb goes searching for food.
[07:58]  * vish on two different topics/channels now.. so taking time to reply  ;)
[07:58] <micahg> vish: well, that usually will result in testing 1 extra kernel
[07:59] <micahg> assuming it works
[07:59] <micahg> if it doesn't well I guess it saves time :-/
[08:01] <simar> vish: when reviewing a patch in a bug with patch tag, when we add patch-forwarded-upstream tag should we remove the old patch tag or we should just add the new tag and keep both tags.. There is some confusion here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/ReviewGuide
[08:01] <vish> nigelb: ^
[08:02] <vish> simar: nigelb is the best bet :)
[08:02] <simar> vish: i tried to approach him in #ubuntu-reviews but he doesn't seem to be around..
[08:03] <vish> simar: [12:28] * nigel_nb goes searching for food.
[08:03] <vish> simar: he'll be back , he doesnt eat much ;p
[08:04] <simar> nigelb: oh!! good, I think you distracted me too with *food* . :-))  I think I too need to search my fridge ..
[08:04] <simar> vish:
[08:06] <simar> vish: By the way I had been able to see stanley_robertso here ever and he dinn't replied to my mail also ..
[08:07] <simar> vish: had *not* been
[08:07] <vish> simar: weird! he was looking for you too :)
[08:07] <simar> vish: oh!! at what time .. I think we need to synchronize some bit ..
[08:09] <simar> vish: I will try to send him a mail again. .
[08:15] <somethinginteres> so I installed the daily kernel i.e. Linux 2.6.36-999-generic #201008211535 and sound works
[08:16] <simar> vish: i can't see here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status what to do (invalid or expired) when the bug reporter had shifted to another ubuntu distribution and does not experience bug there, and want it to be closed..
[08:17] <micahg> somethinginteres: try the 2.6.32.20 kernel
[08:17] <vish> simar: invalid , as there is not more info to debug it..
[08:19] <somethinginteres> micahg: just to be 100% sure that's 'v2.6.32.20-lucid/' right?
[08:19] <micahg> somethinginteres: yeah
[08:19] <maco> oh cripes
[08:19] <maco> warning, there's anoher stupid automatix-like script full of PlzBreakMe
[08:19] <maco> it's called perfectbuntu
[08:19] <simar> vish: But the uploads by the bug reporter implies that it is a confirmed bug.. I think, may be you may add another case to the documentation.. for this one
[08:20] <micahg> maco: hopefully someone won't ask that to be packaged
[08:20] <simar> vish: For now on I will mark it invalid, thanks :))
[08:20] <maco> be on the lookout for bug reports that are really just people using that
[08:22] <vish> simar: are there others subscribed to the bug?
[08:23] <somethinginteres> micahg: grabbing it now, will see how it goes
[08:24] <simar> vish:  others??
[08:24] <simar> vish: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/382326
[08:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 382326 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "Touchpad not recognized - Gericom Phantom XXL 3180 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Low,Invalid]
[08:24] <simar> vish: you can see it
[08:25] <vish> simar: yeah , no probs , if there is no one else subscribed or mentioning the same problem
[08:25] <vish> we can just close such bugs
[08:27] <simar> vish: ok, but shouldn't we improve the documentation for such cases(where the bug can be confirmed but the bug reporter is not avaliable for triaging ) that are not clearly mentioned..
[09:22] <somethinginteres> micahg: tried 'v2.6.32.20-lucid' as requested, no issues with sound at all
[09:23] <micahg> somethinginteres: so, go back 6 in lucid from there and try
[09:23] <micahg> somethinginteres: you have to count since there are some point releases
[09:24] <micahg> somethinginteres: scratch that, try 32.18
[09:26] <somethinginteres> micahg: will do. Does this just help pinpoint the bug?
[09:26] <micahg> somethinginteres: more like where it was fixed :)
[09:26] <micahg> there are actually only 5 stable releases after the one we're on
[09:27] <somethinginteres> micahg: I see..
[09:28] <vish> simar: yeah, maybe we can mention it somewhere..
[09:28] <simar> vish: lot of time...
[09:29] <simar> vish: should I do it..
[09:30] <vish> simar: but , i think its mostly understood.. you can add it to the comments section, so that others are clear about it as well
[09:32] <simar> vish: ok, I will do it
[09:34] <simar> vish: For now, I'm reporting some bugs, some serious ones. With Karmic koala even with live cd my laptop's display turn off during boot up and remains off. Only after I installed lucid and applied some workaround, and then upgraded dist, I'm able to run karmic...
[09:46] <somethinginteres> micahg: running from 32.18 right now and sound is golden
[09:46] <micahg> somethinginteres: k, I guess try 32.16 then
[09:47] <somethinginteres> micahg: ok
[09:47] <micahg> somethinginteres: if that works, you can mention that in teh bug report
[09:50] <somethinginteres> micahg: so if it works I should just say that the daily, .16, .18 and .20 all work?
[09:51] <micahg> somethinginteres: you can, but I think the main point is that .16 works
[09:51] <somethinginteres> micahg: OK will test it out once my slow Internet finishes the d/l. It's too quiet without music :)
[10:10] <somethinginteres> micahg: '2.6.32-02063216' works so I'll add that to the bug report
[10:10] <micahg> somethinginteres: k
[10:12] <somethinginteres> micahg: is it alright to boot into the daily as a workaround for now until it's fixed or is that not advised?
[10:13] <micahg> somethinginteres: idk the pitfalls
[10:14] <somethinginteres> micahg: kk
[10:15] <vish> somethinginteres: if the daily works for you , just us it it not a problem .. i'v been running the mainline kernel for the past two releases , for the past two releases , the just before release something in the ubuntu stock causes a lot of problems..! so i'v had to use the mainline kernels! :s
[10:15] <vish> just use*
[10:15] <micahg> vish: you shouldn't give kernel advice like that unless you understand the security implications
[10:15] <vish> oddly , what ever problem my laptop has , no one has been able to reproduce it! :s
[10:16] <vish> micahg: agreed :)
[10:17] <vish> micahg: also i never understand all the hue and cry about security! ;)
[10:18] <somethinginteres> righto then, I hope this is something that can be fixed. Sound is a must for me :P
[10:19] <vish> micahg: btw, what happened to the Adobe description bug you filed?  if you dont want to pursue it maybe you can close it..
[10:19]  * micahg doesn't remember
[10:21] <micahg> vish: apparently no one on either team bothered to do it :P, I'll just subscribe sponsors then
[10:21] <micahg> vish: actually I have to rebase
[10:22] <micahg> vish: I'll do it later today
[10:23] <vish> \o/
[10:32] <somethinginteres> vish: Any objections to my joining the papercutters team?
[10:33] <vish> somethinginteres: no, probs.. if you want to triage and get a crap load of mails ;)
[10:34] <somethinginteres> vish: haha
[11:22] <bilalakhtar> virtuald: Thanks for marking those bugs as dups. I should check that before triaging!
[11:22] <bilalakhtar> sorry
[11:23] <bilalakhtar> vish: Thanks for marking those bugs as dups. I should check that before triaging!
[11:23] <bilalakhtar> virtuald: tab fail
[11:23] <vish> bilalakhtar: np.. :)
[11:24] <vish> bilalakhtar: hard for everyone to know every bug ;p
[11:25] <vish> bilalakhtar: recently , i had a firefox bug and was midway in triage and micahg comes hopping along and marked it dup ;p
[11:25] <bilalakhtar> vish: ah
[11:25] <micahg> vish: LP doesn't have a concept of warning like bugzilla about updates
[11:25] <bilalakhtar> warning about updates? !!! What is that?
[11:26] <vish> micahg: actually i had been having that bug for a long time and i asked in -mozilla about it but at that time no one knew it was a bug and i just dismissed it as a bad FF profile , but am happy there are a lot more facing that bug..
[11:27] <vish> kinda annoying not getting the suggests :s
[11:28] <micahg> bilalakhtar: bugzilla has a feature if you are updating a bug and someone else updates before you it warns you
[11:28] <micahg> vish: I've triaged or seen almost all the upstreamed FF bugs
[11:28] <bilalakhtar> micahg: LP *seriously* needs such a feature
[11:29] <bilalakhtar> the other day, I assigned a bug to myself, and vish commented on it at the same time. His comment un-assigned me!
[11:29] <vish> micahg: yeah , that is an awesome feature! but sometimes it can backfire, we the person says , "I dont care" ;p
[11:29] <micahg> bilalakhtar: bug 28459
[11:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 28459 in malone "Handle mid-air collisions in bug reports (affects: 2) (dups: 6) (heat: 2)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28459
[11:29] <bilalakhtar> Mid-air! lol
[11:29] <vish> s/we/when
[11:30] <vish> micahg: it also does /not/ suggest for the entry boxes withing the webpages too ,  i have yet to read that main bug though and see if it is mentioned there..
[11:30] <micahg> vish: huh?
[11:31] <vish> micahg: like auto-complete , does not work too , not only bookmark suggests
[11:31] <micahg> vish: oh, you're Firefox bug...
[11:31] <vish> yeah.. :)
[11:31] <bilalakhtar> Vish is a firefox bug? !
[11:32] <vish> bilalakhtar: well , its irc , not an english test! ;p
[11:32] <bilalakhtar> alright
[11:32] <micahg> blah...I need sleep
[14:18] <nigelb> ok, I missed simar
[14:18] <nigelb> lunch presented other distraction..
[14:21] <nigelb> vish: every changing patch sponsorship?
[14:21]  * nigelb confused.
[14:22] <penguin42> there are times when I wish apt-cache search could be told not to bother showing dbgsym packages unless asked for them
[14:24] <nigelb> heh
[14:25] <vish> nigelb: ever*
[14:25] <vish> nigelb: my typos go beyond irc ;p
[14:31] <nigelb> vish: Ah, now that makes sense.
[14:32] <vish> nigelb: why are you confused, btw?
[14:32] <nigelb> vish: what did you mean "ever changing"?
[14:33] <vish> nigelb: well , for that bug i had subscribed Main sponsors , but that was soon deprecated and then we had only one sponsors team...
[14:34] <nigelb> vish: ah, LOL
[14:34] <nigelb> vish: but I think daniel used to run a script
[14:34] <nigelb> that would check for bugs sub'd to main/universe sponsors and sub the siingle team on the bug
[14:34] <vish> nigelb: oh it was just a script! :(
[14:35] <nigelb> vish: haha, you thought he was devoted enough to look at each bug? :D
[14:35] <nigelb> Dholbach is quite clever that way :D :D
[14:48] <nigelb> I wonder irssi did buddy pounce
[14:49] <vish> nigelb: hmm , when/why was i supposed to poke you? was that last nite or earlier?
[14:50]  * vish clears sticky... poked nigelb \o/
[14:53] <nigelb> vish: oh, that was tomorrow
[14:53] <nigelb> gah
[14:53] <nigelb> *yesterday
[14:54] <nigelb> ok, that was a *big* typo
[14:54] <nigelb> vish: anyway, PM?
[14:54] <gorilla> or someone experienced a time slip.
[14:54] <vish> nigelb: shoot!
[14:54]  * nigelb gets a gun
[14:55]  * vish wonders since when nigelb started requesting for a PM ;p
[14:55] <nigelb> since my screen resolution is so small that I can't see all the windows :/
[14:55] <drew212> micahg: ok, a new profile fixed the problem for the person, but disabling the extensions did not, how do i proceed?
[14:56]  * BUGabundo tries his luck again
[14:56] <nisshh> nigelb: is it vish season?
[14:56] <BUGabundo> anyone here with good knowlagde in SSDs and btrfs ?
[14:56]  * BUGabundo notices he is in the wrong #
[14:57]  * penguin42 moves BUGabundo left one channel
[14:58] <BUGabundo> down 4
[15:00] <vish> nisshh: hey!
[15:03] <nisshh> vish: hey dude :)
[15:03] <nisshh> vish: im really getting into triaging today
[15:04] <nisshh> or i was earlier
[15:04] <vish> :)
[15:05] <nisshh> vish: although its getting very very hard to run GNOME and a VM on a P4 with 1gig of RAM
[15:05] <nisshh> its like trying to walk an old lady across a major highway, its really slow
[15:11]  * penguin42 is playing 'sparse' on the kernel source
[15:11] <penguin42> with
[15:12] <penguin42> it's quite nice; although to be fair only filling in for the limits of C
[15:48] <vish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/417758/comments/6
[15:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 417758 in ubuntu (and 1 other project) "Intermittent problems with copy and paste (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[15:48] <vish> :(
[15:48] <vish> "i was spending at least as much time fixing ubuntu as using it"
[15:52] <penguin42> vish: I do with we would do a fix only release
[15:52] <penguin42> wish
[15:52] <vish> yeah , just stop with the new features! and fix the bugs!
[15:52] <penguin42> It would seem a sane thing to do for one cycle every so often
[15:53] <penguin42> only new features are new drivers for new hardware
[17:02] <nigelb> nhandler: do you want to take a poke at 109693?
[17:02]  * nigelb notes that you submitted the original patch :)
[17:21] <nhandler> nigelb: Man, that is an old bug. The patches are no good. Let me check if the bug is still valid
[17:24]  * nigelb hugs nhandler 
[17:26] <nhandler> nigelb: Looks like it is only in hardy and dapper: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amaya/+bug/355013 (rmadison amaya)
[17:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 355013 in amaya (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 1 other project) "Remove it from jaunty due to bugs and security issues (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Fix released]
[17:26] <nhandler> Removed from Debian as well
[17:35] <nigelb> nhandler: ah
[17:36] <nigelb> what do you want to do?
[17:36] <nigelb> Won't Fix it?
[17:37] <cmeiklejohn> anyone running maverick here?
[17:37] <nhandler> nigelb: Probably. All of the bugs will need to get closed soon enough (I would wait though until it isn't in any supported ubuntu versions)
[17:38] <nigelb> nhandler: I'll just give that one a pass
[17:38] <nigelb> It was nice to see some familiar names in the old bugs
[17:38] <nigelb> good old days when mdz and dholbach were triaging ;)
[17:39] <nhandler> nigelb: Neither of those people are in the bug ;)
[17:41] <nigelb> vish: I could use some help with bug 144826
[17:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 144826 in human-icon-theme (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Regression: Human icon set includes out of place GNOME icons (dups: 1) (heat: 9)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144826
[17:41] <nigelb> nhandler: there were other bugs.
[17:41] <nigelb> I've been looking at 4-digit bug numbers today
[17:41] <nhandler> :)
[17:43] <penguin42> how many 4 digit ones are still open?
[17:43] <nigelb> I saw a few with patches, but less than 10 perhaps.
[17:44] <charlie-tca> cmeiklejohn: yes, but you might more luck in #ubuntu+1 for maverick
[17:44] <cmeiklejohn> charlie-tca: thanks.
[17:44] <penguin42> nigelb: Not too bad I guess
[17:44] <nigelb> penguin42: Yeah.  Comparing with Debian... they have about 5000 bugs with patches.
[17:45] <nigelb> (or so I heard recently)
[17:45] <penguin42> youch
[17:45] <penguin42> nigelb: I don't suppose you know the xfwm4 guys do you? I've got a patch int heir bug system that doesn't seem to have been touched for a year
[17:45] <nigelb> penguin42: Nope, I dont.  But you could maybe talk to desktop team?
[17:46] <penguin42> maybe, I've not got it as an ubuntu bug, I just put it straight in upstrean
[17:46] <penguin42> m
[17:46] <nigelb> Ah. Still just ask if they could help you poke the upstream folks.
[17:47] <nigelb> err, ah xfm4 is xfce.
[17:47] <nigelb> In that case, the xubuntu team could help you.
[17:47] <nigelb> charlie-tca: ^^
[17:47] <penguin42> nod
[17:47] <charlie-tca> oh
[17:47] <penguin42> it's not an urgent; it's just a nicety - adding some accelerators to the window menu
[17:48] <charlie-tca> That could take until Xfce4 4.8 comes out then. They are a really small team, and usually just try to get issues fixed when possible.
[17:48] <charlie-tca> They ain't much bigger than Xubuntu's team is
[17:49] <penguin42> nod
[17:50] <charlie-tca> 4.8 got delayed again, too
[17:50] <penguin42> should be a relatively easy mrge anyway - if they like it
[17:55] <mr_pouit> penguin42: on lp or on the upstream bugzilla? Because for xfwm4, I don't include any patch that hasn't made it upstream (window management is a bit too tricky to include random patches)
[17:55] <penguin42> mr_pouit: Upstream
[17:58] <penguin42> sparse is really good at passing stupid things like people passing enums to bool's
[18:02] <micahg> drew212: bug #?
[18:03] <abhijit> vish, ping
[18:52] <abhijit> hi
[20:40] <abhijit> bye.