[03:10] <jcastro> czajkowski: around?
[03:59] <G> jcastro: hey your Adopt-A-Package post to ubuntu-server was interesting to me, would be interested if you had a list of packages that really need help in the server arena
[04:15] <jcastro> G: my post was hoping to get that list started, as I am not on the server team but hoping to get a list too
[04:17] <G> jcastro: ahhh okay :)
[04:28] <jcastro> but I hope you'll be around when they add to it. :D
[04:32] <nigelb> jcastro: wait, you didnt go yet?
[04:32] <jcastro> no
[04:32] <jcastro> not until wed.
[04:32] <nigelb> Aha :)
[04:51] <G> jcastro: I'll continue to lurk around libvirt then :P
[04:51] <jcastro> wooo
[04:51] <jcastro> G: just add yourself and libvirt, don't be shy
[06:11] <jcastro> G: please feel free to "hang tight" while we sort this server adopter business
[06:11] <jcastro> success of the project depends on people like you!
[06:12] <jcastro> pleia2: you around?
[06:19] <G> jcastro: haha will do :)
[06:53] <pleia2> jcastro: sorta now, but heading to bed soon
[06:54] <jcastro> pleia2: just a quick idea
[06:54] <pleia2> shoot
[06:54] <jcastro> I notice people randomly join -classroom asking for help
[06:54]  * pleia2 nods
[06:54] <jcastro> I was wondering if a /topic with instructions when there isnt' a class might help
[06:54] <jcastro> something like
[06:55] <jcastro> "feel free to idle, but this room is for scheduled classes, if you need help see, foo, bar, baz" kind of thing
[06:56] <pleia2> it does currently say "Support in #ubuntu" but something more explicit couldn't help
[06:56] <pleia2> err, hurt!
[06:56] <jcastro> just an idea
[06:56] <jcastro> go party!
[06:57] <pleia2> I'll nudge other -classroom folks and get it changed (needs to be updated in classbot too)
[06:57] <pleia2> haha, sleep > party, had lovely ubuntu tables at the big linux picnic out here today, but I'm beat :)
[06:57] <pleia2> (and a bit sunburnt, oops)
[06:57] <jcastro> my entire forehead is peeling
[06:57] <jcastro> lol San Diego
[06:57] <pleia2> hehe
[06:58] <pleia2> california has brighter sun, I think ;)
[06:58] <jcastro> they make it so when it shines on you it costs an extra dollar per hour
[08:03] <jcastro> hey
[08:03] <jcastro> who is awake
[08:03] <maco> o/
[08:03] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/991585979/who-are-your-mentors
[08:03] <jcastro> new meme
[08:03] <jcastro> rock it
[08:05] <maco> jcastro: "I quit the team and had a temper tantrum a few years ago" <-- when did i miss this?
[09:15] <jcastro> lol
[09:15] <jcastro> way before your time. :)
[09:15] <jcastro> elky probably remembers
[09:21] <jcastro> maco: don't focus on that crap anyway, it's all about the new people anyway
[09:36] <jussi> hi jcastro
[09:36] <jcastro> hi jussi
[09:36] <jcastro> off to bed, nite
[09:37] <jussi> nini
[11:32] <czajkowski> jcastro: aloha
[11:33] <czajkowski> Good morning folks
[11:43] <G> czajkowski: evening
[11:45] <sense> good morning
[11:47] <czajkowski> G: ello
[11:47] <czajkowski> sense: hey
[11:48] <sense> hi czajkowski
[11:48]  * czajkowski is going through all of the teams with no counteries and havng to assign them a country and lanauge
[11:48] <czajkowski> *language
[11:48] <sense> czajkowski: Can't you take the languages from Launchpad?
[11:48] <sense> Teams can set their languages there.
[11:48] <sense> Not that all teams use that...
[11:49] <czajkowski> sense: see they haven't done it
[11:50] <czajkowski> and when I'm in the LD which I can edit , lanauges is a mandatory field
[11:50] <sense> ah, ok
[11:51] <czajkowski> 20 USA teams once thats done it'll be a large Chunk of it done tbh
[11:51] <sense> I hope you've automised that part. :)
[11:53] <sense> czajkowski: I've got a bug in the LoCo Directory: lately my username was changed, but now I log in in LD it still associates my Launchpad ID with my old username, therefore I cannot manage the Ubuntu Fry team.
[11:53] <sense> Who should I bug?
[11:56] <czajkowski> launchpad
[11:56] <czajkowski> it's not a bug in LD
[11:56] <sense> ok!
[11:57] <czajkowski> something to do with your sign on I think
[12:04] <sense> yeah
[12:13] <czajkowski> sense: your team isn't updated either :( http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-nl
[12:13] <czajkowski> well it is now
[12:45] <czajkowski> sense: why did you log the bug against the LD did someone in LP say so ?
[14:40] <czajkowski> phew done
[14:41] <nigelb> czajkowski: I owe you something.  Whenever you have time :)
[14:42] <czajkowski> can you give me about 30 mins and I'll be free again
[14:42] <czajkowski> I need to hoover the house before the folks come back
[14:43] <czajkowski> and not look at a computer for 30 mins :)
[14:43] <nigelb> sure :)
[15:08] <czajkowski> nigelb: see on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ the last 2 teams under no country
[15:08] <czajkowski> any idea are they under india ?
[15:09]  * nigelb goes to check
[15:10] <czajkowski> thanks
[15:11] <nigelb> yep, tamil.
[15:11] <nigelb> vish: could you help laura? (I don't read tamil)
[15:11] <czajkowski> they are both under which country so ?
[15:12] <vish> nigelb:  hehe , i dont read Tamil either :D
[15:12]  * vish hides from amachu!
[15:12]  * nigelb kicks vish 
[15:12] <nigelb> czajkowski: India
[15:12] <nigelb> ok, using my logical skills, one of them is coimbatore (/me glares at vish) and the other one is trichy
[15:12] <czajkowski> but they are both owned by the same person arent' they
[15:13] <nigelb> oh?
[15:13] <nigelb> checking
[15:13] <vish> hmm , wait let me read the backlog first!
[15:14] <nigelb> czajkowski: seems to be same owner and same members too.  that's strange
[15:14] <czajkowski> strange/annoying/frustrating
[15:14] <czajkowski> :)
[15:15] <nigelb> true.
[15:16] <czajkowski> which lanugage should I assign to them do ye know
[15:17] <nigelb> tamil
[15:17] <vish> czajkowski: cbe is short for coimbatore , which is in Tamil Nadu , India
[15:17] <nigelb> vish: Other one is trichy?
[15:19] <czajkowski> shall tamil as well
[15:19] <czajkowski> it can be changed
[15:19] <czajkowski> namely if the guy wants to create 2 teams, he should be updating them
[15:20] <nigelb> Yes, both Tamil.  Both India.
[15:21] <vish> czajkowski: amachu is from trichy, iirc
[15:21] <vish> native trichy , living in chennai it think.. but dont know him personally though..
[15:22] <nigelb> vish: you're in CBE right?
[15:22] <vish> nope..
[15:22] <nigelb> somehow I had the impression that you were.
[15:22] <nigelb> vish: where are you then? chennai?
[15:23] <vish> yup..
[15:23] <nigelb> Ah. Wonder whhy I thought CBE.  Must have confused with someone else.
[16:38] <nigelb> jussi: Google video chat seems to work for my friend.
[16:38] <nigelb> (some setting to be done he said)
[16:55] <czajkowski> Filing a RT is like filing an windows bug, you're not sure what happens it or if someone has read it !
[16:55] <nigelb> hahah
[16:56] <czajkowski> it's funny cause it's true
[16:57] <nigelb> czajkowski: I did suggest poking a Canonoical person ftr :D
[16:58] <czajkowski> am doing so  as well
[16:58] <czajkowski> but tis the weekend
[17:01] <jcastro> BOO. Only 20 new people on stackexchange since last night
[17:01] <jcastro> tell a friend!
[17:02] <nigelb> czajkowski: ^^ you have Canonical person.
[17:02] <jcastro> don't look at me for RT, I have no power
[17:02] <czajkowski> hehe
[17:03] <czajkowski> nigelb: I've poked canonical-sysadmin but there no vanguard update, will keep an eye on them thanks
[17:03] <czajkowski> jcastro: aloha there
[17:03] <nigelb> jcastro: you should know who's the vanguard.
[17:03] <czajkowski> nigelb: they should update the topic..
[17:03] <jcastro> I know there is supposed to be a vanguard
[17:03] <jcastro> I don't know who it is
[17:03] <nigelb> czajkowski: yes, but AFAIK there is somone on the job at *all* times.
[17:03] <jcastro> even on the weekends?
[17:03] <nigelb> I heard so.
[17:04]  * nigelb isn't sure though.
[17:04] <nigelb> should ask elmo or Ng if that is indeed the case.
[17:24] <nhandler> nigelb: I doubt it. Even if there is someone who is meant to be on the job, there are several gaps with no vanguard (as well as vacations, sprints, and other similar things)
[17:24] <nigelb> nhandler: hm, ok :)
[17:24] <maco> there's supposed to be an on-call sysadmin at all times
[17:24] <nigelb> see?
[17:24] <maco> because what if ubuntu.com went offline?
[17:25] <nigelb> I wasn't hallucinating.
[17:25] <nigelb> ;)
[17:25] <maco> Ubuntu Women made use of the existence of the on-call SA when our wiki was being vandalised by trolls
[17:25] <czajkowski> I'm sure of u.c went offline there'd be phones hopping
[17:25] <czajkowski> but I know many times I idle in c-syadmin there is no vanguard listed
[17:32] <czajkowski> ok have found an admin, they aren't actually on call on weekends
[17:47] <maco> czajkowski: while you're going through and putting nonexistent LD listings into countries, think you could go and delete the DCTeam entry?
[17:47] <czajkowski> maco: funnily enough I mailed the guy of you loco there a long time ago and asked him to do it
[17:47] <czajkowski> and it never was done
[17:47] <maco> what?
[17:47] <czajkowski> so we did it
[17:48] <maco> what are you on about?
[17:48] <czajkowski> DC
[17:48] <czajkowski> I mailed asking your team to look into it
[17:48] <maco> cjohnston came to our channel yesterday and said we need to set location and language on the DC team
[17:48] <maco> it was ALREADY SET
[17:48] <maco> because ours is "Washington, DC LoCo"
[17:48] <maco> the one that says DCTeam does not exist
[17:49] <czajkowski> maco: let me try again. I MAILED months ago to kjcole asking him to clarify which team was which
[17:49] <czajkowski> and to remove one of them
[17:49] <maco> https://edge.launchpad.net/~dcteam the "page not found" page might clarify things...
[17:50] <maco> im an admin for the team, and i dont see a "delete" button anywhere in the Edit Details page on the LD
[17:50] <czajkowski> there isn't
[17:50] <maco> so as far as i can tell, the DB is wrong
[17:50] <czajkowski> I'll log a bug
[17:51] <czajkowski> yup but there is a bug already in there against the DB for updating teams names
[17:51] <czajkowski> it's not doing something
[17:51] <maco> wasnt that marked as fixed a bit ago...?
[17:52] <nhandler> The issue was, there is no team-specific ID or anything like that which the LD can use to say "Oh, team.foo is really team.bar, just renamed". They were working on adding the ability for team admins to merge two teams to solve that
[17:53] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bugs
[17:53] <nigelb> nhandler: Ah, no key.  #fail.
[17:58] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/528829
[17:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 528829 in loco-directory "No field for 'state' in venue record (affects: 1) (heat: 3)" [High,Triaged]
[17:58] <czajkowski> bah
[17:58] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/582354
[17:58] <czajkowski> this one
[17:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582354 in loco-directory "LD does not deal well with renamed teams (affects: 4) (dups: 3) (heat: 25)" [High,Triaged]
[17:58] <maco> heh no field for state
[17:59] <maco> we joked about putting ubuntu-us-notastateyet when told we needed ubuntu-us-<state>
[17:59] <maco> or -wewishwewereone
[17:59] <maco> things like that
[18:02] <nigelb> maco: hahah
[18:04] <maco> nigelb: license plates in DC say "taxation without representation"
[18:05] <nigelb> LOL
[18:05] <nhandler> maco: But you do get some electors for elections ;)
[18:05] <maco> plural? i thought we'd just have the one for eleanor holmes norton
[18:05] <maco> the states all get to elect president AND have some say in legislature
[18:06] <nhandler> maco: 23rd ammendment gave DC 3 electoral votes
[18:06] <maco> oh. i didnt know how many it was, just that it was alarmingly recent
[18:06] <maco> i maintain pennsylvania voter registration under my dad's address
[18:06] <maco> so i get to have 2 senators and a congress critte!
[18:06] <maco> *critter!
[18:07] <nigelb> hahaha
[18:07] <nhandler> Well, 50 years isn't *that* recent ;)
[18:07] <nigelb> critter :p
[18:07] <maco> nhandler: out of 200+!
[18:07] <nigelb> maco: DC doesn't count as state?
[18:07] <maco> nigelb: *District* of Columbia
[18:07]  * nigelb remembers hearing 55 states and D of C
[18:07] <maco> no, 50 states
[18:07] <nigelb> ok, I'm rusty :p
[18:07] <maco> and 8 (i think?) territories, of which DC is one
[18:08] <nigelb> territories/
[18:08] <nigelb> that's sad.
[18:08] <maco> like puerto rico & guam
[18:08] <czajkowski> oh after reading dan brown book I need to go visit DC
[18:08] <maco> puerto rico gets talked about as becoming the 51st state more often than dc does...and its not even attached!
[18:08] <nigelb> maco: does that benefit at all?
[18:09] <maco> nigelb: no
[18:09] <nigelb> here if a place is not a state, alcohol prices are cheap
[18:09] <nigelb> since liqour taxes are decided by state govt
[18:09] <nigelb> and well, if you're not a state, no tax!
[18:09] <maco> nigelb: at the time, it made sense for dc not to be a state / have representation because there were 3 kinds of people living here:  1) representatives/senators of other states 2) their wives 3) their slaves
[18:09] <nigelb> ditto for petrol/diesel too.
[18:09] <maco> and wives & slaves couldnt vote anyway
[18:10]  * nigelb o.O at slaves
[18:10] <nigelb> oh, this was 16th or 17th century?
[18:10] <nigelb> ;)
[18:10] <maco> 18th
[18:10] <maco> slavery was abolished in the mid 19th century
[18:10] <nigelb> 1800s?
[18:10] <maco> 18th c = 1700s
[18:11] <nigelb> doh, I knew that.  How did I misss it.
[18:11] <sense> We were late, in te 1860ties.
[18:11] <nigelb> hrm, nice bug description
[18:11] <maco> sense: 1864-1865 for the US
[18:11] <sense> maco: ah, ok
[18:11] <nigelb> "ntpd should run niced"
[18:12] <maco> nigelb: how silly. ntpd isnt exactly resource intensive...
[18:12] <maco> but it is time sensitive
[18:12] <maco> dont see why you'd nice it
[18:12] <sense> maco: What's the status of Puerto Rico? I never really grasped it. Is it some kind of colony?
[18:13] <nigelb> maco: what does nice do/
[18:13] <maco> sense: the people are full citizens. dont think thatd be the case with a colony
[18:13] <maco> nigelb: tells it how nice it should be about yielding cpu time
[18:13] <sense> maco: No
[18:14] <nigelb> maco: Ah.
[18:14] <maco> afaik, the difference between DC's status and puerto rico's is that amendment nhandler mentioned that lets DC residents vote in presidential electioons
[18:14] <maco> puerto ricans are citizens but have absolutely no say in the federal government
[18:15] <sense> ah
[18:15] <maco> they can move to florida for election years i guess...
[18:16] <sense> :P
[18:17] <pleia2> it's a "territory" like a few other island groups that are part of the US, there is a good wikipedia page about it
[18:17] <pleia2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territories_of_the_United_States
[18:18] <nigelb> pleia2: rocking pictures
[18:18] <pleia2> nigelb: thanks :)
[18:18] <nigelb> the cookies look really cool :)
[18:18] <pleia2> yeah, I don't think I met the woman who brought them, she dropped them off while I was elsewhere
[18:18] <pleia2> but they were tastey
[18:20] <nigelb> point out rww for me?
[18:21] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/4916873598/
[18:21] <pleia2> with the umbrellas behind him
[18:22] <nigelb> aha, thanks :)
[18:23] <maco> nothing like i imagined
[18:23]  * nigelb spies the poster doctormo made
[18:23] <maco> i expected scrawnier and less facial hair
[18:24] <nigelb> haha
[19:22] <czajkowski> nhandler: so when we starting to tag team this month re Team reports
[19:25] <nhandler> czajkowski: Reports aren't due for 2 weeks. I usually send out a reminder the week before. I already poked someone on the Asia RMB (no response) about their report.
[19:25] <nhandler> For the LoCos, it might be worth mentioning reports when you send out a message about the UGJ
[19:25] <czajkowski> nhandler: but isnt next weeke  end of the month
[19:25] <czajkowski> nhandler: will do
[19:26] <nhandler> czajkowski: They don't get "published" until the first Sunday of the month (Sept 5)
[19:26] <nhandler> That way, stuff that happens on the last few days of the month can get included
[19:27] <czajkowski> ahhhh
[19:28] <czajkowski> in the middle of making https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams/LoCoCouncil/TeamReports/10/August pretty
[19:28] <czajkowski> grr why are some of my bullet points working
[19:29] <czajkowski> >:(
[19:29] <nhandler> czajkowski: {*} isn't a real bullet
[19:29] <nhandler> It is more like an image
[19:30] <czajkowski> aye but it;s working in some cases and not others
[19:30] <czajkowski> why does the wiki like to argue with me
[19:30] <nhandler> czajkowski: Maybe add a space after the }
[19:31] <czajkowski> yup
[19:31] <czajkowski> thats it :D
[19:31] <czajkowski> thanks nhandler
[19:31] <nhandler> czajkowski: No problem. And you can use <<BR>> to force a linebreak
[19:32] <czajkowski> grr some of them are on the same line
[20:18] <jussi> so anyone now want to try out google voice video with me?
[21:16] <IdleOne> jussi: sure
[21:52] <czajkowski> jussi: ping
[22:58] <doctormo> http://doctormo.org/2010/08/21/5pi-con-ubuntu-mact/
[23:29] <Pendulum> doctormo: ping