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| jenkins | evening all | 19:28 |
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| ChrisWoollard | evening | 20:37 |
| ChrisWoollard | Who is here this evening? | 20:57 |
| dutchie | o/ | 20:57 |
| ChrisWoollard | Heeeellllloooooooo. Anybody there....... | 21:02 |
| thymox | Hello - am I too late for the meeting? :) | 21:03 |
| ChrisWoollard | nope. hasn't started yet. In fact I have no idea who is here yet? | 21:04 |
| dutchie | there's a meeting? | 21:05 |
| ChrisWoollard | Yes | 21:05 |
| dutchie | hmm | 21:05 |
| ChrisWoollard | Did you not read your e-mail. or listen at the last meeting? | 21:05 |
| dutchie | know who's meant to be running it? | 21:05 |
| * thymox raises his hand. "I'm here, Sir". :) | 21:05 | |
| dutchie | i get a lot of email and it doesn't all stick :) | 21:05 |
| ChrisWoollard | I sent out the meeting invite as agreed last time. | 21:06 |
| ChrisWoollard | and with godbyk | 21:06 |
| dutchie | hmm | 21:07 |
| dutchie | example wiki page | 21:07 |
| dutchie | i may have forgotten about that | 21:07 |
| ChrisWoollard | I knew that already. | 21:08 |
| * dutchie quickly knocks one together | 21:08 | |
| thymox | So... I'm fairly new to this. What's the meeting about? | 21:09 |
| thymox | (New to the Ubuntu Manual project, that is... not new to Linux) | 21:09 |
| ChrisWoollard | The agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings | 21:10 |
| ChrisWoollard | I guess we are waiting to see if any more of the core team arrive | 21:10 |
| ChrisWoollard | We also have this http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL | 21:11 |
| thymox | Cool. Since I haven't been involved yet, I will just take a back-seat and observe for the time being. | 21:11 |
| ChrisWoollard | dutchie: What should we do? | 21:13 |
| dutchie | godbyk: ping | 21:14 |
| * dutchie tweets at humphreybc | 21:14 | |
| dutchie | and j | 21:14 |
| dutchie | enkins | 21:14 |
| dutchie | i was expecting tab-complete there :( | 21:15 |
| ChrisWoollard | :) | 21:15 |
| dutchie | flan may want to join us too | 21:15 |
| dutchie | daker too | 21:16 |
| daker | yep | 21:16 |
| ChrisWoollard | While we are waiting do you want to read the notes. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL | 21:18 |
| ChrisWoollard | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings | 21:18 |
| chr_ | thanks : ) | 21:18 |
| ChrisWoollard | You can also make coments if you want | 21:19 |
| ChrisWoollard | Ok, it is now 20:25. What should we do? | 21:26 |
| daker | i have no idea ChrisWoollard | 21:28 |
| thymox | What proportion of the required people are currently in attendance? | 21:28 |
| ChrisWoollard | jenkins, godbyk and humphreybc would have been nice as they are core to the project. | 21:29 |
| ChrisWoollard | Especially as they drive the project forware. | 21:30 |
| ChrisWoollard | d | 21:30 |
| ChrisWoollard | Would anybody object if we defered this meeting until another date / time? | 21:32 |
| thymox | I think that's probably the best option given the circumstances. | 21:32 |
| chr_ | as im a little busy today, its ok for me | 21:32 |
| ChrisWoollard | Thanks for coming. If you still want to make notes the etherpad is here http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL | 21:33 |
| ChrisWoollard | Also it gives dutchie time to complete his homework :P | 21:33 |
| dutchie | i've done it now! | 21:34 |
| dutchie | :P | 21:34 |
| ChrisWoollard | what is the url? | 21:34 |
| daker | ChrisWoollard, it's oki for me | 21:34 |
| ChrisWoollard | Ok. Then...... Meeting Cancelled........!!!!!!!!!!! | 21:35 |
| chr_ | bye | 21:35 |
| ChrisWoollard | or rather deffered to another date | 21:35 |
| ChrisWoollard | thanks for coming. | 21:35 |
| ChrisWoollard | Sorry | 21:35 |
| thymox | Deferred for what... 1 week? 2? | 21:36 |
| thymox | Or TBA? | 21:36 |
| ChrisWoollard | I will dicuss it with the others and TBA | 21:36 |
| thymox | Cool beans. I'll keep an eye on the mailing list then. :) | 21:36 |
| ChrisWoollard | That is the best thing. | 21:37 |
| ChrisWoollard | I think the meeting should be planned sooner rather than later because of the limited time before the release of maverick | 21:37 |
| godbyk | Ack.. sorry I'm late. | 21:42 |
| godbyk | My phone didn't beep at me like it should've. | 21:42 |
| ChrisWoollard | we cancelled the meeting | 21:43 |
| thymox | Hiya, ChrisWollard has postponed the meeting. | 21:43 |
| godbyk | I see that. | 21:43 |
| godbyk | Sorry about not being here. | 21:43 |
| ChrisWoollard | I figured that 30 minutes late was long enough to wait. | 21:44 |
| ChrisWoollard | Now that you are her. | 21:44 |
| ChrisWoollard | s/her/here | 21:44 |
| ChrisWoollard | When should we re-schedule? | 21:44 |
| godbyk | yeah, that's more than enough time to wait. | 21:45 |
| ChrisWoollard | When should we re-schedule? | 21:47 |
| dutchie | pick a date | 21:48 |
| ChrisWoollard | dutchie: What is that url? | 21:48 |
| godbyk | The meeting times that have worked the best in the past have been Saturdays at 2000 UTC. | 21:49 |
| dutchie | ChrisWoollard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/ReleaseChecklist? | 21:49 |
| godbyk | And we should probably meet ASAP as we have a September 10 deadline for the writing freeze. | 21:49 |
| godbyk | Which gives us less than three weeks from today. | 21:50 |
| godbyk | (Which seems a bit crazy, actually.) | 21:50 |
| ChrisWoollard | dutchie: thanks | 21:50 |
| ChrisWoollard | we could try saturday at 20:00 | 21:51 |
| godbyk | Let's do that. | 21:51 |
| ChrisWoollard | But.... | 21:51 |
| * dutchie will be on holiday | 21:51 | |
| godbyk | Unless we can get one organized more quickly. | 21:51 |
| godbyk | Or perhaps we should just start an email thread and meet on the mailing list, so to speak. | 21:52 |
| ChrisWoollard | Godbyk: You need to get the launchpad / bzr stuff sorted before then and ready for work to start asap | 21:52 |
| ChrisWoollard | I could be a good idea. | 21:52 |
| ChrisWoollard | I was think of sending some updates out that way anyway (e.g. Dutchies homework). | 21:53 |
| ChrisWoollard | so to speak :) | 21:53 |
| godbyk | Let's do that. | 21:53 |
| godbyk | Figure out what questions we have / what we need to know, and start emailing the list about it. | 21:53 |
| ChrisWoollard | Godbyk: Can you start the thread? | 21:53 |
| godbyk | I think one of the first things we have to do is figure out what changes there are in Maverick from Lucid that we need to update the manual to cover. | 21:54 |
| godbyk | Is there new stuff in Maverick we need to cover? | 21:54 |
| godbyk | What parts (if any) of the manual are we removing? | 21:54 |
| ChrisWoollard | I think it was on the last set of minutes | 21:54 |
| dutchie | sound menu is the first thing i can think of | 21:54 |
| godbyk | What screenshots do we need to get? | 21:54 |
| ChrisWoollard | that mentions some thibngs | 21:54 |
| ChrisWoollard | Depends what haws changed. I haven't even installed the alpha of maverick yet. so i don't know. | 21:55 |
| ChrisWoollard | s/haws/has | 21:55 |
| ChrisWoollard | Godbyk: When do you think you can get bzr / launchpad ready? | 21:56 |
| godbyk | Working on it now. | 21:56 |
| ChrisWoollard | Yay :D | 21:56 |
| Muscovy | How many hours is it until the meeting? | 21:59 |
| Muscovy | I'm not sure if I can make it. | 21:59 |
| ChrisWoollard | It was cancelled | 21:59 |
| Muscovy | Oh? | 21:59 |
| ChrisWoollard | it was supposed to have been 1 hour ago | 21:59 |
| Muscovy | Ah. | 22:00 |
| ChrisWoollard | We are going to do a thread on the mailing list instead. Just because we need to get things moving | 22:00 |
| thymox | Can I make a suggestions? If the meeting is going to be migrated to the mailing list, can I suggest a single thread per discussion point. | 22:03 |
| godbyk | Someone try running bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual and see what it pulls. | 22:13 |
| godbyk | run "grep title main.tex" and see if the \title command is set to Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.10. | 22:13 |
| ChrisWoollard | godbyk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings/archive/meeting-2010-08-22#preview | 22:13 |
| ChrisWoollard | Coments? | 22:14 |
| godbyk | That'll work. | 22:14 |
| godbyk | We should figure out what we need to know for this maverick edition. | 22:14 |
| godbyk | So we can email the list. | 22:14 |
| dutchie | looks like lp:ubuntu-manual points at maverick | 22:14 |
| thymox | godbyk: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual pulls down 19MB of files. | 22:14 |
| godbyk | thymox: That sounds about right. Screenshots are 11 MB. (I debated whether to keep them, actually.) | 22:15 |
| godbyk | Much better than the 140+ MB that the other branch was. | 22:15 |
| ChrisWoollard | Did you delete everything and start again? | 22:15 |
| godbyk | Well, I created a brand new branch and copied over the files from e2. | 22:15 |
| godbyk | So we're not dragging all of e2's history along with us. | 22:16 |
| ChrisWoollard | That is good. | 22:16 |
| thymox | Even 140MB isn't that bad... last time I looked at the Ubuntu Desktop Training BZR repo is was somewhere near the 650MB mark (grantedly it has a tonne of screenshots in a tonne of languages). | 22:18 |
| * dutchie tries to remember how big his kernel git repo was | 22:19 | |
| ChrisWoollard | In our case the history was 114Mb compared to 14mb of files | 22:19 |
| ChrisWoollard | godbyk: I have updated the meetings wiki with info. Are there any other status updates | 22:22 |
| godbyk | Hmm.. well, I think the new branch should be working now and people can hack on it. however, the main pdf may not compile at the moment since I removed some PDFs of the title page, etc. | 22:24 |
| godbyk | just a heads up there. | 22:24 |
| godbyk | I'm currently updating the milestones on launchpad. | 22:25 |
| ChrisWoollard | How is doing the coverpages (dakar)? | 22:25 |
| ChrisWoollard | is e2 read only now? | 22:25 |
| godbyk | thorwil handles the covers. | 22:26 |
| godbyk | ChrisWoollard: No one should commit to e2 except for thorwil (for covers), me (for helping translators), and the translator editors. | 22:27 |
| godbyk | (Basically) | 22:27 |
| ChrisWoollard | is he doing some for maverick? | 22:27 |
| godbyk | Is thorwil doing some covers for maverick? Probably. | 22:28 |
| godbyk | I'm going to be revisiting some of the book design stuff for maverick as well. | 22:28 |
| ChrisWoollard | What I mean is..... Have the permissions been changed to only allow Ubuntu Manual Admins to commit. | 22:28 |
| godbyk | oh, no. | 22:28 |
| godbyk | because the translation editors aren't admins. | 22:29 |
| ChrisWoollard | Oh, Ok. | 22:29 |
| godbyk | though I s'pose we could have the translation editors commit via one of the admins. <shrug> | 22:29 |
| godbyk | We need to write instructions for people to get the new maverick branch and get started on writing/editing. | 22:29 |
| godbyk | Also need to make a list of things that need to be written, changed, removed, etc. | 22:29 |
| ChrisWoollard | How about I start a wiki (or etherpad) for that list | 22:31 |
| godbyk | good idea | 22:31 |
| ChrisWoollard | Where should it be linked from? | 22:32 |
| godbyk | Good question. | 22:32 |
| godbyk | I guess the email for now. | 22:32 |
| ChrisWoollard | I wonder if I could add a Useful Info page | 22:32 |
| ChrisWoollard | next to Meetings on the Wiki | 22:33 |
| ChrisWoollard | or something like that | 22:33 |
| ChrisWoollard | ? | 22:33 |
| godbyk | I dunno. Go for it. :-) | 22:34 |
| godbyk | Ultimately, all the info should be on the ubuntu-manual.org site. | 22:34 |
| ChrisWoollard | Yes. But there isn't a wiki on that. And I don't have access to hack around with that. | 22:35 |
| godbyk | I know. | 22:35 |
| godbyk | That's the main problem. | 22:35 |
| godbyk | I think daker's new site is supposed to alleviate some of that. | 22:35 |
| ChrisWoollard | You could just install a wiki on it? | 22:36 |
| godbyk | I dunno what the plans are there. | 22:36 |
| godbyk | Yeah, I could install a wiki. | 22:36 |
| ChrisWoollard | When will Dakar's new site | 22:36 |
| ChrisWoollard | ready | 22:36 |
| godbyk | no clue | 22:36 |
| godbyk | I think it's supposed to be out for maverick, but I'm out of the loop on that at the moment. | 22:36 |
| ChrisWoollard | That's suprising. You seem t know most about most things | 22:37 |
| ChrisWoollard | If you installed a wiki at least the theme would be better. | 22:38 |
| godbyk | I haven't talked to daker of humpreybc about the new site yet. So I'm not sure what all they have up their sleeves. | 22:39 |
| godbyk | Heh.. true.. can't have a much uglier theme. :-) | 22:39 |
| godbyk | Shouldn't someone be updating the wiki theme to match the new branding? | 22:39 |
| ChrisWoollard | Dakar told me yesterday that somebody is working on it. | 22:40 |
| godbyk | cool | 22:40 |
| ChrisWoollard | I am going to at that Useful Info wiki page. It can either be changed later or deleted if something else comes along. | 22:41 |
| ChrisWoollard | But first i need t go to the shop. I will be back in 30 minutes. | 22:42 |
| godbyk | sounds good. | 22:42 |
| ChrisWoollard | Maybe Useful Notes? | 22:42 |
| godbyk | I'm going to shower. I'll be back in 30 minutes, too. :) | 22:42 |
| godbyk | That'll work. | 22:42 |
| godbyk | Or if it's something we'll update often, maybe an etherpad is better. | 22:43 |
| ChrisWoollard | too late | 22:43 |
| godbyk | no worries | 22:45 |
| godbyk | I'll be back in about 30 minutes. | 22:51 |
| dutchie | blimey, translations disappearing again | 23:05 |
| ChrisWoollard | which ones? | 23:13 |
| dutchie | https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg02170.html | 23:15 |
| ChrisWoollard | Doh | 23:19 |
| godbyk | I saw that. | 23:28 |
| godbyk | Make it all better, dutchie! :-) | 23:28 |
| godbyk | I have no idea what causes it. | 23:28 |
| godbyk | AFAIK, nothing has touched the e1 translation stuff at all. | 23:28 |
| ChrisWoollard | mice in the works. | 23:29 |
| ChrisWoollard | My advice... Get a Cat. | 23:29 |
| godbyk | The only thing I can figure is that messing with the other branches somehow affects the e1 branch. | 23:29 |
| ChrisWoollard | Sorry.... That doesn't help ;) | 23:29 |
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| ChrisWoollard | All: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/notes | 23:51 |
| ChrisWoollard | thoughts? | 23:51 |
| ChrisWoollard | Are there any other links that we have? | 23:51 |
| ChrisWoollard | I am sure there are lots, but i cannot remember | 23:52 |
| ChrisWoollard | Can somebody who knows look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual?action=LocalSiteMap | 23:55 |
| ChrisWoollard | and tell me what is still useful and should be linked. | 23:55 |
| ChrisWoollard | hmmm. That doesn't seem to contain everything | 23:57 |
| godbyk | doesn't look like there's much of use in the site map | 23:58 |
| ChrisWoollard | what about this | 23:58 |
| ChrisWoollard | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual?action=LikePages | 23:58 |
| ChrisWoollard | that contains everything | 23:59 |
| ChrisWoollard | FuturePlaaning looks fun | 23:59 |
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