[19:28] <jenkins> evening all
[20:37] <ChrisWoollard> evening
[20:57] <ChrisWoollard> Who is here this evening?
[20:57] <dutchie> o/
[21:02] <ChrisWoollard> Heeeellllloooooooo. Anybody there.......
[21:03] <thymox> Hello - am I too late for the meeting? :)
[21:04] <ChrisWoollard> nope. hasn't started yet. In fact I have no idea who is here yet?
[21:05] <dutchie> there's a meeting?
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Yes
[21:05] <dutchie> hmm
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Did you not read your e-mail. or listen at the last meeting?
[21:05] <dutchie> know who's meant to be running it?
[21:05]  * thymox raises his hand.  "I'm here, Sir". :)
[21:05] <dutchie> i get a lot of email and it doesn't all stick :)
[21:06] <ChrisWoollard> I sent out the meeting invite as agreed last time.
[21:06] <ChrisWoollard> and with godbyk
[21:07] <dutchie> hmm
[21:07] <dutchie> example wiki page
[21:07] <dutchie> i may have forgotten about that
[21:08] <ChrisWoollard> I knew that already.
[21:08]  * dutchie quickly knocks one together
[21:09] <thymox> So... I'm fairly new to this.  What's the meeting about?
[21:09] <thymox> (New to the Ubuntu Manual project, that is... not new to Linux)
[21:10] <ChrisWoollard> The agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[21:10] <ChrisWoollard> I guess we are waiting to see if any more of the core team arrive
[21:11] <ChrisWoollard> We also have this http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL
[21:11] <thymox> Cool.  Since I haven't been involved yet, I will just take a back-seat and observe for the time being.
[21:13] <ChrisWoollard> dutchie: What should we do?
[21:14] <dutchie> godbyk: ping
[21:14]  * dutchie tweets at humphreybc
[21:14] <dutchie> and j
[21:14] <dutchie> enkins
[21:15] <dutchie> i was expecting tab-complete there :(
[21:15] <ChrisWoollard> :)
[21:15] <dutchie> flan may want to join us too
[21:16] <dutchie> daker too
[21:16] <daker> yep
[21:18] <ChrisWoollard> While we are waiting do you want to read the notes. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL
[21:18] <ChrisWoollard> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[21:18] <chr_> thanks : )
[21:19] <ChrisWoollard> You can also make coments if you want
[21:26] <ChrisWoollard> Ok, it is now 20:25. What should we do?
[21:28] <daker> i have no idea ChrisWoollard
[21:28] <thymox> What proportion of the required people are currently in attendance?
[21:29] <ChrisWoollard> jenkins, godbyk and humphreybc  would have been nice as they are core to the project.
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard> Especially as they drive the project forware.
[21:30] <ChrisWoollard> d
[21:32] <ChrisWoollard> Would anybody object if we defered this meeting until another date / time?
[21:32] <thymox> I think that's probably the best option given the circumstances.
[21:32] <chr_> as im a little busy today, its ok for me
[21:33] <ChrisWoollard> Thanks for coming. If you still want to make notes the etherpad is here http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL
[21:33] <ChrisWoollard> Also it gives dutchie time to complete his homework :P
[21:34] <dutchie> i've done it now!
[21:34] <dutchie> :P
[21:34] <ChrisWoollard> what is the url?
[21:34] <daker> ChrisWoollard, it's oki for me
[21:35] <ChrisWoollard> Ok. Then...... Meeting Cancelled........!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:35] <chr_> bye
[21:35] <ChrisWoollard> or rather deffered to another date
[21:35] <ChrisWoollard> thanks for coming.
[21:35] <ChrisWoollard> Sorry
[21:36] <thymox> Deferred for what... 1 week? 2?
[21:36] <thymox> Or TBA?
[21:36] <ChrisWoollard> I will dicuss it with the others  and TBA
[21:36] <thymox> Cool beans.  I'll keep an eye on the mailing list then. :)
[21:37] <ChrisWoollard> That is the best thing.
[21:37] <ChrisWoollard> I think the meeting should be planned sooner rather than later because of the limited time before the release of maverick
[21:42] <godbyk> Ack.. sorry I'm late.
[21:42] <godbyk> My phone didn't beep at me like it should've.
[21:43] <ChrisWoollard> we cancelled the meeting
[21:43] <thymox> Hiya, ChrisWollard has postponed the meeting.
[21:43] <godbyk> I see that.
[21:43] <godbyk> Sorry about not being here.
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> I figured that 30 minutes late was long enough to wait.
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> Now that you are her.
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> s/her/here
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> When should we re-schedule?
[21:45] <godbyk> yeah, that's more than enough time to wait.
[21:47] <ChrisWoollard> When should we re-schedule?
[21:48] <dutchie> pick a date
[21:48] <ChrisWoollard> dutchie: What is that url?
[21:49] <godbyk> The meeting times that have worked the best in the past have been Saturdays at 2000 UTC.
[21:49] <dutchie> ChrisWoollard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/ReleaseChecklist?
[21:49] <godbyk> And we should probably meet ASAP as we have a September 10 deadline for the writing freeze.
[21:50] <godbyk> Which gives us less than three weeks from today.
[21:50] <godbyk> (Which seems a bit crazy, actually.)
[21:50] <ChrisWoollard> dutchie: thanks
[21:51] <ChrisWoollard> we could try saturday at 20:00
[21:51] <godbyk> Let's do that.
[21:51] <ChrisWoollard> But....
[21:51]  * dutchie will be on holiday
[21:51] <godbyk> Unless we can get one organized more quickly.
[21:52] <godbyk> Or perhaps we should just start an email thread and meet on the mailing list, so to speak.
[21:52] <ChrisWoollard> Godbyk: You need to get the launchpad / bzr stuff sorted before then and ready for work to start asap
[21:52] <ChrisWoollard> I could be a good idea.
[21:53] <ChrisWoollard> I was think of sending some updates out that way anyway (e.g. Dutchies homework).
[21:53] <ChrisWoollard> so to speak :)
[21:53] <godbyk> Let's do that.
[21:53] <godbyk> Figure out what questions we have / what we need to know, and start emailing the list about it.
[21:53] <ChrisWoollard> Godbyk: Can you start the thread?
[21:54] <godbyk> I think one of the first things we have to do is figure out what changes there are in Maverick from Lucid that we need to update the manual to cover.
[21:54] <godbyk> Is there new stuff in Maverick we need to cover?
[21:54] <godbyk> What parts (if any) of the manual are we removing?
[21:54] <ChrisWoollard> I think it was on the last set of minutes
[21:54] <dutchie> sound menu is the first thing i can think of
[21:54] <godbyk> What screenshots do we need to get?
[21:54] <ChrisWoollard> that mentions some thibngs
[21:55] <ChrisWoollard> Depends what haws changed. I haven't even installed the alpha of maverick yet. so i don't know.
[21:55] <ChrisWoollard> s/haws/has
[21:56] <ChrisWoollard> Godbyk: When do you think you can get bzr / launchpad ready?
[21:56] <godbyk> Working on it now.
[21:56] <ChrisWoollard> Yay :D
[21:59] <Muscovy> How many hours is it until the meeting?
[21:59] <Muscovy> I'm not sure if I can make it.
[21:59] <ChrisWoollard> It was cancelled
[21:59] <Muscovy> Oh?
[21:59] <ChrisWoollard> it was supposed to have been 1 hour ago
[22:00] <Muscovy> Ah.
[22:00] <ChrisWoollard> We are going to do a thread on the mailing list instead. Just because we need to get things moving
[22:03] <thymox> Can I make a suggestions?  If the meeting is going to be migrated to the mailing list, can I suggest a single thread per discussion point.
[22:13] <godbyk> Someone try running bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual and see what it pulls.
[22:13] <godbyk> run "grep title main.tex" and see if the \title command is set to Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.10.
[22:13] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings/archive/meeting-2010-08-22#preview
[22:14] <ChrisWoollard> Coments?
[22:14] <godbyk> That'll work.
[22:14] <godbyk> We should figure out what we need to know for this maverick edition.
[22:14] <godbyk> So we can email the list.
[22:14] <dutchie> looks like lp:ubuntu-manual points at maverick
[22:14] <thymox> godbyk: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual pulls down 19MB of files.
[22:15] <godbyk> thymox: That sounds about right. Screenshots are 11 MB. (I debated whether to keep them, actually.)
[22:15] <godbyk> Much better than the 140+ MB that the other branch was.
[22:15] <ChrisWoollard> Did you delete everything and start again?
[22:15] <godbyk> Well, I created a brand new branch and copied over the files from e2.
[22:16] <godbyk> So we're not dragging all of e2's history along with us.
[22:16] <ChrisWoollard> That is good.
[22:18] <thymox> Even 140MB isn't that bad... last time I looked at the Ubuntu Desktop Training BZR repo is was somewhere near the 650MB mark (grantedly it has a tonne of screenshots in a tonne of languages).
[22:19]  * dutchie tries to remember how big his kernel git repo was
[22:19] <ChrisWoollard> In our case the history was 114Mb compared to 14mb of files
[22:22] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: I have updated the meetings wiki with info. Are there any other status updates
[22:24] <godbyk> Hmm.. well, I think the new branch should be working now and people can hack on it.  however, the main pdf may not compile at the moment since I removed some PDFs of the title page, etc.
[22:24] <godbyk> just a heads up there.
[22:25] <godbyk> I'm currently updating the milestones on launchpad.
[22:25] <ChrisWoollard> How is doing the coverpages (dakar)?
[22:25] <ChrisWoollard> is e2 read only now?
[22:26] <godbyk> thorwil handles the covers.
[22:27] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: No one should commit to e2 except for thorwil (for covers), me (for helping translators), and the translator editors.
[22:27] <godbyk> (Basically)
[22:27] <ChrisWoollard> is he doing some for maverick?
[22:28] <godbyk> Is thorwil doing some covers for maverick? Probably.
[22:28] <godbyk> I'm going to be revisiting some of the book design stuff for maverick as well.
[22:28] <ChrisWoollard> What I mean is..... Have the permissions been changed to only allow Ubuntu Manual Admins to commit.
[22:28] <godbyk> oh, no.
[22:29] <godbyk> because the translation editors aren't admins.
[22:29] <ChrisWoollard> Oh, Ok.
[22:29] <godbyk> though I s'pose we could have the translation editors commit via one of the admins. <shrug>
[22:29] <godbyk> We need to write instructions for people to get the new maverick branch and get started on writing/editing.
[22:29] <godbyk> Also need to make a list of things that need to be written, changed, removed, etc.
[22:31] <ChrisWoollard> How about I start a wiki (or etherpad) for that list
[22:31] <godbyk> good idea
[22:32] <ChrisWoollard> Where should it be linked from?
[22:32] <godbyk> Good question.
[22:32] <godbyk> I guess the email for now.
[22:32] <ChrisWoollard> I wonder if I could add a Useful Info page
[22:33] <ChrisWoollard> next to Meetings on the Wiki
[22:33] <ChrisWoollard> or something like that
[22:33] <ChrisWoollard> ?
[22:34] <godbyk> I dunno. Go for it. :-)
[22:34] <godbyk> Ultimately, all the info should be on the ubuntu-manual.org site.
[22:35] <ChrisWoollard> Yes. But there isn't a wiki on that. And I don't have access to hack around with that.
[22:35] <godbyk> I know.
[22:35] <godbyk> That's the main problem.
[22:35] <godbyk> I think daker's new site is supposed to alleviate some of that.
[22:36] <ChrisWoollard> You could just install a wiki on it?
[22:36] <godbyk> I dunno what the plans are there.
[22:36] <godbyk> Yeah, I could install a wiki.
[22:36] <ChrisWoollard> When will Dakar's new site
[22:36] <ChrisWoollard> ready
[22:36] <godbyk> no clue
[22:36] <godbyk> I think it's supposed to be out for maverick, but I'm out of the loop on that at the moment.
[22:37] <ChrisWoollard> That's suprising. You seem t know most about most things
[22:38] <ChrisWoollard> If you installed a wiki at least the theme would be better.
[22:39] <godbyk> I haven't talked to daker of humpreybc about the new site yet.  So I'm not sure what all they have up their sleeves.
[22:39] <godbyk> Heh.. true.. can't have a much uglier theme. :-)
[22:39] <godbyk> Shouldn't someone be updating the wiki theme to match the new branding?
[22:40] <ChrisWoollard> Dakar told me yesterday that somebody is working on it.
[22:40] <godbyk> cool
[22:41] <ChrisWoollard> I am going to at that Useful Info wiki page. It can either be changed later or deleted if something else comes along.
[22:42] <ChrisWoollard> But first i need t go to the shop. I will be back in 30 minutes.
[22:42] <godbyk> sounds good.
[22:42] <ChrisWoollard> Maybe Useful Notes?
[22:42] <godbyk> I'm going to shower. I'll be back in 30 minutes, too. :)
[22:42] <godbyk> That'll work.
[22:43] <godbyk> Or if it's something we'll update often, maybe an etherpad is better.
[22:43] <ChrisWoollard> too late
[22:45] <godbyk> no worries
[22:51] <godbyk> I'll be back in about 30 minutes.
[23:05] <dutchie> blimey, translations disappearing again
[23:13] <ChrisWoollard> which ones?
[23:15] <dutchie> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg02170.html
[23:19] <ChrisWoollard> Doh
[23:28] <godbyk> I saw that.
[23:28] <godbyk> Make it all better, dutchie! :-)
[23:28] <godbyk> I have no idea what causes it.
[23:28] <godbyk> AFAIK, nothing has touched the e1 translation stuff at all.
[23:29] <ChrisWoollard> mice in the works.
[23:29] <ChrisWoollard> My advice... Get a Cat.
[23:29] <godbyk> The only thing I can figure is that messing with the other branches somehow affects the e1 branch.
[23:29] <ChrisWoollard> Sorry.... That doesn't help ;)
[23:51] <ChrisWoollard> All: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/notes
[23:51] <ChrisWoollard> thoughts?
[23:51] <ChrisWoollard> Are there any other links that we have?
[23:52] <ChrisWoollard> I am sure there are lots, but i cannot remember
[23:55] <ChrisWoollard> Can somebody who knows look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual?action=LocalSiteMap
[23:55] <ChrisWoollard> and tell me what is still useful and should be linked.
[23:57] <ChrisWoollard> hmmm. That doesn't seem to contain everything
[23:58] <godbyk> doesn't look like there's much of use in the site map
[23:58] <ChrisWoollard> what about this
[23:58] <ChrisWoollard> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual?action=LikePages
[23:59] <ChrisWoollard> that contains everything
[23:59] <ChrisWoollard> FuturePlaaning looks fun