=== daker_ is now known as daker === aprilg1 is now known as aprilg === daker_ is now known as daker [19:28] evening all [20:37] evening [20:57] Who is here this evening? [20:57] o/ [21:02] Heeeellllloooooooo. Anybody there....... [21:03] Hello - am I too late for the meeting? :) [21:04] nope. hasn't started yet. In fact I have no idea who is here yet? [21:05] there's a meeting? [21:05] Yes [21:05] hmm [21:05] Did you not read your e-mail. or listen at the last meeting? [21:05] know who's meant to be running it? [21:05] * thymox raises his hand. "I'm here, Sir". :) [21:05] i get a lot of email and it doesn't all stick :) [21:06] I sent out the meeting invite as agreed last time. [21:06] and with godbyk [21:07] hmm [21:07] example wiki page [21:07] i may have forgotten about that [21:08] I knew that already. [21:08] * dutchie quickly knocks one together [21:09] So... I'm fairly new to this. What's the meeting about? [21:09] (New to the Ubuntu Manual project, that is... not new to Linux) [21:10] The agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings [21:10] I guess we are waiting to see if any more of the core team arrive [21:11] We also have this http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL [21:11] Cool. Since I haven't been involved yet, I will just take a back-seat and observe for the time being. [21:13] dutchie: What should we do? [21:14] godbyk: ping [21:14] * dutchie tweets at humphreybc [21:14] and j [21:14] enkins [21:15] i was expecting tab-complete there :( [21:15] :) [21:15] flan may want to join us too [21:16] daker too [21:16] yep [21:18] While we are waiting do you want to read the notes. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL [21:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings [21:18] thanks : ) [21:19] You can also make coments if you want [21:26] Ok, it is now 20:25. What should we do? [21:28] i have no idea ChrisWoollard [21:28] What proportion of the required people are currently in attendance? [21:29] jenkins, godbyk and humphreybc would have been nice as they are core to the project. [21:30] Especially as they drive the project forware. [21:30] d [21:32] Would anybody object if we defered this meeting until another date / time? [21:32] I think that's probably the best option given the circumstances. [21:32] as im a little busy today, its ok for me [21:33] Thanks for coming. If you still want to make notes the etherpad is here http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/3EahXzeQLL [21:33] Also it gives dutchie time to complete his homework :P [21:34] i've done it now! [21:34] :P [21:34] what is the url? [21:34] ChrisWoollard, it's oki for me [21:35] Ok. Then...... Meeting Cancelled........!!!!!!!!!!! [21:35] bye [21:35] or rather deffered to another date [21:35] thanks for coming. [21:35] Sorry [21:36] Deferred for what... 1 week? 2? [21:36] Or TBA? [21:36] I will dicuss it with the others and TBA [21:36] Cool beans. I'll keep an eye on the mailing list then. :) [21:37] That is the best thing. [21:37] I think the meeting should be planned sooner rather than later because of the limited time before the release of maverick [21:42] Ack.. sorry I'm late. [21:42] My phone didn't beep at me like it should've. [21:43] we cancelled the meeting [21:43] Hiya, ChrisWollard has postponed the meeting. [21:43] I see that. [21:43] Sorry about not being here. [21:44] I figured that 30 minutes late was long enough to wait. [21:44] Now that you are her. [21:44] s/her/here [21:44] When should we re-schedule? [21:45] yeah, that's more than enough time to wait. [21:47] When should we re-schedule? [21:48] pick a date [21:48] dutchie: What is that url? [21:49] The meeting times that have worked the best in the past have been Saturdays at 2000 UTC. [21:49] ChrisWoollard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/ReleaseChecklist? [21:49] And we should probably meet ASAP as we have a September 10 deadline for the writing freeze. [21:50] Which gives us less than three weeks from today. [21:50] (Which seems a bit crazy, actually.) [21:50] dutchie: thanks [21:51] we could try saturday at 20:00 [21:51] Let's do that. [21:51] But.... [21:51] * dutchie will be on holiday [21:51] Unless we can get one organized more quickly. [21:52] Or perhaps we should just start an email thread and meet on the mailing list, so to speak. [21:52] Godbyk: You need to get the launchpad / bzr stuff sorted before then and ready for work to start asap [21:52] I could be a good idea. [21:53] I was think of sending some updates out that way anyway (e.g. Dutchies homework). [21:53] so to speak :) [21:53] Let's do that. [21:53] Figure out what questions we have / what we need to know, and start emailing the list about it. [21:53] Godbyk: Can you start the thread? [21:54] I think one of the first things we have to do is figure out what changes there are in Maverick from Lucid that we need to update the manual to cover. [21:54] Is there new stuff in Maverick we need to cover? [21:54] What parts (if any) of the manual are we removing? [21:54] I think it was on the last set of minutes [21:54] sound menu is the first thing i can think of [21:54] What screenshots do we need to get? [21:54] that mentions some thibngs [21:55] Depends what haws changed. I haven't even installed the alpha of maverick yet. so i don't know. [21:55] s/haws/has [21:56] Godbyk: When do you think you can get bzr / launchpad ready? [21:56] Working on it now. [21:56] Yay :D [21:59] How many hours is it until the meeting? [21:59] I'm not sure if I can make it. [21:59] It was cancelled [21:59] Oh? [21:59] it was supposed to have been 1 hour ago [22:00] Ah. [22:00] We are going to do a thread on the mailing list instead. Just because we need to get things moving [22:03] Can I make a suggestions? If the meeting is going to be migrated to the mailing list, can I suggest a single thread per discussion point. [22:13] Someone try running bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual and see what it pulls. [22:13] run "grep title main.tex" and see if the \title command is set to Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.10. [22:13] godbyk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings/archive/meeting-2010-08-22#preview [22:14] Coments? [22:14] That'll work. [22:14] We should figure out what we need to know for this maverick edition. [22:14] So we can email the list. [22:14] looks like lp:ubuntu-manual points at maverick [22:14] godbyk: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual pulls down 19MB of files. [22:15] thymox: That sounds about right. Screenshots are 11 MB. (I debated whether to keep them, actually.) [22:15] Much better than the 140+ MB that the other branch was. [22:15] Did you delete everything and start again? [22:15] Well, I created a brand new branch and copied over the files from e2. [22:16] So we're not dragging all of e2's history along with us. [22:16] That is good. [22:18] Even 140MB isn't that bad... last time I looked at the Ubuntu Desktop Training BZR repo is was somewhere near the 650MB mark (grantedly it has a tonne of screenshots in a tonne of languages). [22:19] * dutchie tries to remember how big his kernel git repo was [22:19] In our case the history was 114Mb compared to 14mb of files [22:22] godbyk: I have updated the meetings wiki with info. Are there any other status updates [22:24] Hmm.. well, I think the new branch should be working now and people can hack on it. however, the main pdf may not compile at the moment since I removed some PDFs of the title page, etc. [22:24] just a heads up there. [22:25] I'm currently updating the milestones on launchpad. [22:25] How is doing the coverpages (dakar)? [22:25] is e2 read only now? [22:26] thorwil handles the covers. [22:27] ChrisWoollard: No one should commit to e2 except for thorwil (for covers), me (for helping translators), and the translator editors. [22:27] (Basically) [22:27] is he doing some for maverick? [22:28] Is thorwil doing some covers for maverick? Probably. [22:28] I'm going to be revisiting some of the book design stuff for maverick as well. [22:28] What I mean is..... Have the permissions been changed to only allow Ubuntu Manual Admins to commit. [22:28] oh, no. [22:29] because the translation editors aren't admins. [22:29] Oh, Ok. [22:29] though I s'pose we could have the translation editors commit via one of the admins. [22:29] We need to write instructions for people to get the new maverick branch and get started on writing/editing. [22:29] Also need to make a list of things that need to be written, changed, removed, etc. [22:31] How about I start a wiki (or etherpad) for that list [22:31] good idea [22:32] Where should it be linked from? [22:32] Good question. [22:32] I guess the email for now. [22:32] I wonder if I could add a Useful Info page [22:33] next to Meetings on the Wiki [22:33] or something like that [22:33] ? [22:34] I dunno. Go for it. :-) [22:34] Ultimately, all the info should be on the ubuntu-manual.org site. [22:35] Yes. But there isn't a wiki on that. And I don't have access to hack around with that. [22:35] I know. [22:35] That's the main problem. [22:35] I think daker's new site is supposed to alleviate some of that. [22:36] You could just install a wiki on it? [22:36] I dunno what the plans are there. [22:36] Yeah, I could install a wiki. [22:36] When will Dakar's new site [22:36] ready [22:36] no clue [22:36] I think it's supposed to be out for maverick, but I'm out of the loop on that at the moment. [22:37] That's suprising. You seem t know most about most things [22:38] If you installed a wiki at least the theme would be better. [22:39] I haven't talked to daker of humpreybc about the new site yet. So I'm not sure what all they have up their sleeves. [22:39] Heh.. true.. can't have a much uglier theme. :-) [22:39] Shouldn't someone be updating the wiki theme to match the new branding? [22:40] Dakar told me yesterday that somebody is working on it. [22:40] cool [22:41] I am going to at that Useful Info wiki page. It can either be changed later or deleted if something else comes along. [22:42] But first i need t go to the shop. I will be back in 30 minutes. [22:42] sounds good. [22:42] Maybe Useful Notes? [22:42] I'm going to shower. I'll be back in 30 minutes, too. :) [22:42] That'll work. [22:43] Or if it's something we'll update often, maybe an etherpad is better. [22:43] too late [22:45] no worries [22:51] I'll be back in about 30 minutes. [23:05] blimey, translations disappearing again [23:13] which ones? [23:15] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg02170.html [23:19] Doh [23:28] I saw that. [23:28] Make it all better, dutchie! :-) [23:28] I have no idea what causes it. [23:28] AFAIK, nothing has touched the e1 translation stuff at all. [23:29] mice in the works. [23:29] My advice... Get a Cat. [23:29] The only thing I can figure is that messing with the other branches somehow affects the e1 branch. [23:29] Sorry.... That doesn't help ;) === ZachK_ is now known as zkriesse [23:51] All: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/notes [23:51] thoughts? [23:51] Are there any other links that we have? [23:52] I am sure there are lots, but i cannot remember [23:55] Can somebody who knows look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual?action=LocalSiteMap [23:55] and tell me what is still useful and should be linked. [23:57] hmmm. That doesn't seem to contain everything [23:58] doesn't look like there's much of use in the site map [23:58] what about this [23:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual?action=LikePages [23:59] that contains everything [23:59] FuturePlaaning looks fun