[00:05] <funkyHat> hm, ubottu is telling me to use @comment None comment :/ I guess that's a bug?
[00:34] <bazhang> malv ban dodging?
[02:46] <bazhang> niglop is running mint, asking for help with in #xubuntu earlier, just a fyi
[03:15] <bazhang> deadBit?
[03:23] <bazhang> <AlZIR> deadBit try top memory address as I said
[03:38] <bazhang> ugh
[03:54] <ubottu> In ubottu, Maser said: wat is sudo cat /etc/shadow
[04:15] <bazhang> tempted to just ban *threembb.ie as hufx/crivit/4 more nicks has ban dodged so much
[04:15] <bazhang> now on as alzir
[04:39] <bazhang>  [our_ALZIR] (~our_AZir@178.167.201.177.threembb.ie): our_ALZIR  this is the 8th time or so
[04:42] <bazhang>    mode +b *!*@178.167.*threembb.ie  would that cover it?
[04:44] <bazhang>    *!*@92.251.*threembb.ie and that?
[04:45] <bazhang> or no . needed after the 167
[04:47] <IdleOne> baz
[04:47] <Flannel> Where's the 92.251 come from?
[04:48] <IdleOne> bazhang:
[04:48] <IdleOne> still_our_ALZIR (~still_our@178.167.186.59.threembb.ie) has joined #ubuntu
[04:48] <bazhang> Flannel, his other addresses
[04:48] <bazhang> so would those work?
[04:48] <Flannel> That'll work, yeah.
[04:49] <bazhang> Flannel, thanks
[04:49] <Flannel> bazhang: Is that as specific as we can be?
[04:50] <bazhang> Flannel, he's got a ton of them, ranging pretty wide
[04:55] <Flannel> bazhang: Please remove my forward while you're +o: *!*@178.167.186.59.threembb.ie$#ubuntu-ops
[04:55] <Flannel> Oh, too late.
[04:56] <bazhang> Flannel, okay
[05:00] <IdleOne> timpster seems to be trolling
[05:00] <bazhang> or just not well informed
[05:10] <IdleOne> 082210-[00:06:31] <timpster> ZykoticK9, do you know how i might be able to make my own themes for gnome
[05:10] <bazhang> seems legit. at least he is off the main channel
[05:10] <IdleOne> that was in #u
[05:11] <IdleOne> and Zykotik doesn't seem to be active
[05:11] <bazhang> also the reason for asking tons of compiz questions: banned in #compiz after just a very short time
[05:49] <elky> I think we need to revise !ask.
[05:51] <funkyHat> !ask
[05:51] <ubottu> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[05:54] <abhijit> hello
[05:54] <abhijit> now you all got what i was saying about ibus?
[05:54] <abhijit> see that user asking about typeing hindi? and !ibus tells him that ibus is used for chines
[05:54] <abhijit> now ?
[05:55] <abhijit> i suggested that long before. no one updates ibus factoid. and now why should i type all these long senteces explaning him what is ibus?
[05:56] <ubottu> In ubottu, IdleOne said: IBus is used to allow input of Chinese, Japanese,  Korean (CJK) and other language characters in !GUI applications - See also: !SCIM
[05:56] <abhijit> yah
[05:56] <IdleOne> abhijit: Would that be better?
[05:57] <abhijit> IdleOne, wait
[05:57] <IdleOne> !ibus
[05:57] <ubottu> IBus is used to allow input of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean (CJK) characters in !GUI applications - See also: !SCIM
[05:58] <abhijit> IdleOne, !Ibus should tell that ibus is NOT ONLY for chines BUT ALSO for ALL langueges. so as now you can see when i tell taht user to use ibus everything should be clear for him in !ibus factoid itself
[05:58] <abhijit> after executing !ibus factoid we dont need to again type all this sentences expalining him that ibus is not only chines but you can also type in hindi
[05:59] <abhijit> current factoid making impression that ibus is ONLY for chinese. that i dont want. it should tell user that it is for ALL langues.
[05:59] <IdleOne> abhijit: would adding " and other language" be enough?
[06:01] <abhijit> IdleOne, ....input all langungeas including but not limited to chines,japanese, korean and add this link here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus
[06:02] <ubottu> In ubottu, IdleOne said: IBus is used to allow input of Chinese, Japanese,  Korean (CJK), Hindi and other language characters in !GUI applications - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus also: !SCIM
[06:03] <IdleOne> Flannel: Can you tell ubottu to remember that ?
[06:03] <abhijit> IdleOne, no in that case its not hindi. Hindi in language can you please make it Devanagari
[06:03] <abhijit> Flannel, wait still discussing updates.
[06:04] <abhijit> IdleOne, 'Devanagari' is exact.
[06:04] <IdleOne> abhijit: you can submit an edit to ubottu also. /msg ubottu Ibus is <text here>
[06:04] <abhijit> IdleOne, yes i know. i also submitted this before. you just wait i submit it again
[06:07] <abhijit> ok before that IdleOne can you just tell me that is it our policy to keep that chinese,japanes,korean names in that factoid? i am asking to that it will be clear for me to write more exact new text
[06:08] <IdleOne> abhijit: those languages were probably used because they are the most common ones people have asked about I suppose
[06:08] <abhijit> IdleOne, ok
[06:13] <ubottu> In ubottu, abhijit said: !ibus is IBus is used allow multilingual input such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean (CJK), Devanagari and Dravidian characters in !GUI applications - see also: !SCIM. More info on Ibus see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus
[06:13] <ubottu> In ubottu, abhijit said: !ibus is IBus is used to allow multilingual input such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean (CJK), Devanagari and Dravidian characters in !GUI applications - see also: !SCIM. For more info on Ibus see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus
[06:14] <abhijit> IdleOne, done.
[06:14] <ubottu> In #ubuntu, rww said: !no, cron =~ s/CronHowto.*/CronHowto/
[06:15] <IdleOne> abhijit: looks good I'll try to get some to add it to the bot.
[06:15] <abhijit> IdleOne, its really serios. may i wait here or just come back after some time?
[06:15] <Flannel> IdleOne: done?
[06:15] <Flannel> or, abhijit, done?
[06:15] <abhijit> i want to be sure about this update
[06:15] <IdleOne> Flannel: I believe so
[06:16] <abhijit> Flannel, yes
[06:16] <Flannel> is ibus really ibus in the wiki?
[06:16] <abhijit> hmm????
[06:16] <Flannel> Oh wow.  Why is it lowercase?
[06:16] <abhijit> where?
[06:16] <Flannel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus
[06:16] <IdleOne> Flannel: link is good yeah
[06:16] <abhijit> ok i wll edit it.
[06:16] <Flannel> should be IBus, sounds like.
[06:17] <abhijit> Flannel, yah editing
[06:17] <Flannel> abhijit: Just moving/renaming the page, I assume?
[06:17] <abhijit> Flannel, no. making ibus to IBus
[06:17] <Flannel> abhijit: Right, on the wikipage?
[06:17] <abhijit> Flannel, in the address help.ubutnu.com/community/ibus let it be small. i am now editing inside the page
[06:18] <abhijit> Flannel, yes on wikipage
[06:18] <Flannel> abhijit: You can't rename the page, but we can get someone to do so.
[06:18] <IdleOne> page won't let me rename
[06:18] <Flannel> That's generally a better way to do it
[06:18] <abhijit> hey
[06:18] <Flannel> so, lets keep it as it is now, and we'll update it when we get someone to change it
[06:18] <abhijit> Flannel, IdleOne but why are you renaming it?
[06:18] <abhijit> Flannel, yes sure.
[06:19] <Flannel> abhijit: Because its a rename from "ibus" to "IBus"
[06:19] <abhijit> Flannel, yah. sure. ok
[06:19] <Flannel> !ibus
[06:19] <ubottu> IBus is used to allow multilingual input such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean (CJK), Devanagari and Dravidian characters in !GUI applications - see also: !SCIM. For more info on Ibus see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus
[06:20] <abhijit> :)
[06:20] <abhijit> Flannel, IdleOne thank you very much!!!! :D
[06:20] <Flannel> Thanks for your input abhijit
[06:20] <abhijit> yah
[06:20] <IdleOne> sure thing abhijit
[06:20] <IdleOne> thank you
[06:20] <abhijit> yah.
[06:20] <abhijit> ok
[06:20] <abhijit> Have a nice day IdleOne Flannel and you all. !!! :D :)    Bye
[06:22] <rww> /lastlog mernilio in #ubuntu is concerning.
[06:23] <Flannel> Is it a full moon out?
[06:24] <rww> almost
[06:24] <IdleOne> if only werwolves could type
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[08:08] <Flannel> Oh no.  "perfectbuntu" http://perfectbuntu.category5.tv/
[08:08] <Flannel> Anyone reviewed that yet?
[08:10] <jussi> oh cry...
[08:11] <Flannel> hah.  404 right now
[08:11] <jussi> from looking at it, it seems to be a install scrip with LOADS of non standard stuff, including stuff from ppa's
[08:12]  * maco winces
[08:12] <Flannel> Well, the "download to tmp, chmod something from tmp +x and run it" just sets things off on the right foot.
[08:12] <maco> O_O
[08:12] <jussi> and it grabs lists from that site:
[08:12] <jussi> You may notice when running Perfectbuntu 5 that it will connect to the perfectbuntu.category5.tv web site to obtain the current package list.
[08:13] <maco> uhh
[08:13] <maco> there's a user in #ubuntu with the nick "ops"
[08:13] <Flannel> It determines kde vs gnome by whether you have kdm or gdm installed!  and requires gksu (not gksu|kdesu, just gksu)
[08:13] <maco> *snort*
[08:14] <Flannel> maco: you want to ask him in a query to change it? or want me to?
[08:14] <maco> i can ask
[08:14] <jussi> Flannel: and there is a heck of a lot of --force-yes in that script
[08:15] <Flannel> jussi: I hadn't gotten there yet, but I guess I'm glad it's blatant and easy to find at this point :)
[08:15] <jussi> Flannel: see the script here: http://perfectbuntu.category5.tv/?page=packages
[08:16] <IdleOne> also has -ignore-missing
[08:16] <Flannel> I just backed off the file name and found it
[08:16] <Flannel> yeah -m is a lovely addition as well
[08:16] <maco> ok, pm sent
[08:16] <IdleOne> so I think we need a factoid.
[08:16] <jussi> IdleOne: lets see if it bcomes popular.
[08:18] <IdleOne> to be honest I never heard of the first 4 releases
[08:20] <Flannel> It also... tracks users.
[08:20] <Flannel> hostname and username
[08:20] <maco> :-O
[08:20] <Flannel> Although, if I've grokked this right, username would always be 'root'
[08:21] <Flannel> but yeah, hostname, username, and 32/64bit.
[08:21] <jussi> cripes
[08:21] <Flannel> And frankly, logging a username on a site (with the IP in the log files) is just gross.
[08:21] <jussi> does it add a root user?
[08:21] <IdleOne> not from what I saw
[08:22] <Flannel> jussi: the root user is already present...
[08:22] <IdleOne> it looks dirty from what I can tell
[08:22]  * IdleOne doesn't want to be anywhere near it
[08:22] <Flannel> It uses gksudo though.
[08:23] <Flannel> Also, it downloads and runs a file that it gets from the internet.
[08:23] <jussi> you know, perhaps we need to get together and think about a way that the same sort of stuff can be acheived cleanly, as there is clearly a demand for it.
[08:23] <IdleOne> there is
[08:23] <maco> isnt that what ubuntu-restricted-extras is?
[08:23] <jussi> some way perhaps of people sharing a setup they like with friends?
[08:23] <Flannel> without any checking, or whatnot.  So, someone can insert arbitrary code if you're on a unsafe connection, and it'll run.
[08:25] <IdleOne> jussi: isn't that what Synaptic and Software center are for?
[08:25] <Flannel> Anyone seen tis one before: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/what-to-do-after-fresh-ubuntu-install.html
[08:26] <jussi> Flannel: Im just ahving a look at it
[08:26] <IdleOne> Remember it's not recommended running a script without knowing exactly what it does, so I invite you to look at the code before running it.
[08:27] <IdleOne> on the above link
[08:27] <IdleOne> http://launchpad.net/ubuntustart/0.4.x/0.4.9/+download/ubuntu-10.04-start-0.4.9.10.tar.gz
[08:27] <IdleOne> err
[08:27] <IdleOne> probably shouldn't of pasted that
[08:27] <Flannel> shouldn't *have*
[08:28] <jussi>               elif [ "$choicee" = "$WORD26" ];
[08:28] <jussi>                      then
[08:28] <jussi>                      sudo apt-get remove -y --force-yes ubuntu-docs
[08:28] <Flannel> rww says second one does the... yeah, that.
[08:29] <maco> why does it need quilt and pbuilder?
[08:29] <jussi> oh dear, it installs ms corefonts, straight from the sharpfonts website... not through the deb?
[08:29] <maco> argh would be nice if $choice =  was testing for human readable things
[08:30] <maco> not WORD42
[08:30] <maco> autoaccept google earth license
[08:30] <maco> yeah im pretty sure THAT is not allowed
[08:30] <Flannel> some of the variable names are cute though:
[08:31] <Flannel> testmedibuntu, testmedibuntuu, testmedibuntuuu, testmedibuntuuuu (for four mirrors)
[08:32] <maco> yep saw that
[08:32] <maco> and went "wtf is it DOING?!" until i saw the elif's below, then thought there had to be a better way
[08:32] <Flannel> maco: Oh, if I were cleaning up this code...
[08:32] <maco> like wget foo || wget bar || wget baz
[08:33] <Flannel> maco: the way they approach it, they download them all to different folders, and so they'd need to know which folder they should use.
[08:33] <Flannel> but yeah, if you do that to a single, consistent filename, you'd just use that filename when you were done.
[08:35] <Flannel> jussi: If we want to bring one under our wing, I vote for this second one (of the two).  Plus, person already uses LP, and does reasonable changelogs
[08:36] <jussi> Flannel: Id rather have something built into ubuntu to somehow share, not some random script
[08:38] <Flannel> jussi: Well, random script (clean up and kosherized) could become built in (much like easyubuntu was on the path to become)
[08:41] <jussi> Flannel: these scripts are somewhat restricted to certain things. I was more thinking of a way to say share a certain set of packages and repos (not everything on your system) with a friend.
[08:42] <Flannel> jussi: Oh, that'd be ultimately built into UbuntuOne, I imagine.
[08:43] <jussi> Flannel: yeah, exactly
[08:44] <Flannel> jussi: the logistics of sharing settings like that is rediculous though
[09:06] <elky> ...is someone necromancing scripts?
[09:07] <maco> elky: we were doing forensic investiagations on them!
[09:07] <Flannel> elky: These look fresh.
[09:07] <elky> Flannel, ah ok.
[09:08] <elky> maco, you're a new op, you're not yet fully traumatised by the automatix-esque scripts people run at the recommendation of complete strangers.
[09:08] <maco> elky: i was a forum mod when automatix2 came about
[09:08] <maco> or was it ultimatix?
[09:08] <elky> Both.
[09:08] <maco> meh one of those bundles of fail
[09:09] <elky> Both fail.
[09:09] <elky> Go whisper the word near mjg.
[09:09] <maco> i remember his blog posts
[09:09] <Flannel> automatix was first, then automatix2, then ultimatix after automatix went bye bye (which is now ultimate edition)
[09:09] <elky> Take a video camera, I want to experience this vicariously.
[09:10] <elky> But anyway, those are what I was referring to with "necromancing"
[09:10] <maco> nah this is ungreat minds thinking alike
[09:40] <rww> 01:39:59 -!- aliceinwire_ [~aliceinwi@host215-113-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: echo "alias ls='OH LOOK A FORKBOMB RWW EDITED OUT'" >> /home/buluca/.bashrc]
[09:41] <Seveas> <-- aliceinwire_ has quit (Quit: echo "alias ls=':(){:|:&};:'" >> /home/buluca/.bashrc)
[09:41] <Seveas> as seen in #ubuntu
[09:41] <rww> Seveas: way ahead of you
[09:41] <Seveas> k
[09:42] <jussi> rww: sorted
[11:48] <ikonia> zatan looks like mesula/sam/xydvdasda
[14:52] <bazhang> llua, hi
[14:53] <llua> hi
[14:55] <ikonia> llua: how can we help
[14:55] <bazhang> ban forwarded here by funkyHat
[14:55] <ikonia> oh
[14:55] <ikonia> funkyHat: ping
[14:55] <llua> i need help?
[14:57] <ikonia> llua: it looks like you've been forwarded to this channel (#ubuntu-ops) instead of ubuntu-offtopic because you have a quit message that is not nice
[14:57] <llua> k.
[14:57] <ikonia> bazhang: is that the same ban as I can't see anything for funkyHat
[14:58] <bazhang> ikonia, I'm checking the bt
[14:58] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-bots, DasEi said: !factoid is getlibs getlibs automatically solves dependencies for 32-bit programs on 64-bit, and for 64-bit programms on 32 bit. It can be downloaded from : http://frozenfox.freehostia.com/cappy/getlibs-all.deb
[14:58] <ikonia> llua: it also appeared you flooded #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:58] <llua> with?
[14:59] <bazhang> llua, your quit message needs changing
[15:03] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-bots, DasEi said: !getlibs is automatically solves dependencies for 32-bit programs on 64-bit, and for 64-bit programms on
[15:03] <ikonia> I'll speak to dasei
[15:04] <ikonia> llua: do you understand what's currently happening ?
[15:04] <llua> i am waiting for a answer is whats happening.
[15:04] <llua> <ikonia> llua: it also appeared you flooded #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:04] <llua> <llua> with?
[15:04] <llua> my log shows i said one thing in the past 10 days in that channel
[15:05] <llua> i am wondering what i flooded the channel with
[15:05] <ikonia> llua: ok - you've been banned from #ubuntu-offtopic due to a quit message and some minor flooding of an ubuntu forum url (that maybe an old ban)
[15:05] <ubottu> In #ubuntu-bots, DasEi said: !getlibs is <reply> getlibs automatically solves dependencies for 32-bit programs on 64-bit, and for 64-bit programms on 32 bit. It can be downloaded from : http://frozenfox.freehostia.com/cappy/getlibs-all.deb
[15:06] <ikonia> llua: /msg DasEi can you stop repeating that
[15:06] <ikonia> oops
[15:06] <ikonia> sorry
[15:06] <ikonia> llua: the flooding appears to have been an old ban that was removed, so only the quit message is an issue
[15:08] <ikonia> llua: does that make sense to you ?
[15:09] <llua> yes.
[15:09] <ikonia> llua: great, so can you please change your quit message so we can remove the ban please.
[15:09] <llua> don't have one atm.
[15:10] <ikonia> you do
[15:10] <ikonia> it references black people
[15:10] <bazhang> try quitting and rejoining this channel
[15:10] <bazhang> he changed it
[15:11] <ikonia> it was still in place as of midnight yesterday / this morning my time
[15:11] <bazhang> yep
[15:24] <LjL> hi
[15:24] <LjL> i would like to be given a rationale for the banning of ryaxnb.
[15:24] <ikonia> howdy LjL
[15:24] <ikonia> when/what happened ?
[15:24] <ikonia> (I'll get the BT info)
[15:24] <bazhang> talk to Flannel
[15:25] <ikonia> there is no active ban
[15:25] <bazhang> yeah there is
[15:26] <LjL> ikonia: i think 3:58 UTC
[15:26] <bazhang> 12.106.45.2
[15:26] <LjL> today, that is - but maybe yesterday, my logs are a bit confusing
[15:27] <ikonia> the logs show him being asked to stop rambling, being asked to stop, pushing it, but agreeing, doing it again, being asked again saying "no I won't pay attention either way" in refernce to channel or operator requests
[15:27] <ikonia> so he got banned
[15:28] <ikonia> looks like the actual +b was a little slow so it makes the context hard to see
[15:28] <elky> Did I miss some change in etiquette that we now discuss details of an incident with non-participants?
[15:28] <LjL> ok, what was the rationale for forcing him to stop "rambling"?
[15:28] <LjL> !appeals | elky
[15:28] <ikonia> (from what I'm reading)
[15:28] <ubottu> elky: If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page.
[15:28] <ikonia> elky: that's my fault,
[15:29] <elky> LjL, I'm not sure where in the appeals "send a bully" is listed as a step.
[15:29] <LjL> elky: it offends me that you'd imply that i've been "sent" by someone.
[15:29] <LjL> but i do "disagree with a decision by an operator".
[15:29] <LjL> i guess i'll go to the next step
[15:29] <LjL> bye
[15:30] <ikonia> I guess we'll park that then
[15:30]  * elky raises an eyebrow
[15:30] <ikonia> can't discuss if he's not in the channel
[15:30] <elky> So we're supposed to discuss the details of an incident with non-participants who declare themselves relevant by disagreement?
[15:31] <ikonia> elky: that's %100 my fault, I still think of ljl as an operator so have no issue common sense discussing
[15:31] <ikonia> I took his request for information as a request to resolve
[15:31] <elky> ikonia, he's still the one who asked, so not 100%
[15:32] <ikonia> llua: hi again
[15:32] <llua> uh huh.
[15:33] <ikonia> llua: looks like you've changed your quit message, so if you give me a moment to find and remove your ban I'll be happy to do so
[15:33] <ikonia> llua: just keep in mind any more unacceptable quit messages and we'll put the ban back on
[15:33] <ikonia> llua: in reality you should have been banned from #ubuntu to due to that message, but we missed it
[15:34] <llua> too many msg asking how to get my dvd playback to work to notice quit messages
[15:35] <ikonia> llua: well, the ban has been removed now, so please keep your quit messages polite
[16:10] <ikonia> llua: are you still getting forwarded here
[16:10] <llua> * #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-ops :Forwarding to another channel
[16:11] <ikonia> I wonder if I missed a ban
[16:11] <ikonia> hang on
[16:17] <ikonia> llua: I can't see a ban for you at all on #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:17] <ikonia> found it
[16:17] <ikonia> want to try now
[16:19] <ikonia> I wonder why funkyHat's ban didn't show in BT
[16:21] <jussi> ikonia:its possible that ubottu was away during that time.
[16:21] <ikonia> other stuff around that time shows up
[16:21] <ikonia> just not that ban
[16:26] <jussi> curious
[16:49] <ikonia> thewizord back in #kubuntu-offtopic with a real name of "Adolf Hitler"
[16:50] <ikonia> jussi: bols
[16:50] <ikonia> bold
[16:50] <ikonia> he seems to be trying to push $something in each ubuntu channel he's in of late
[16:51] <jussi> meh, if he wants to hang himself then let him, Im beyond worrying what he thinks of me.
[16:51] <ikonia> agreed
[16:55] <ikonia> feeding time
[17:30] <jpds> ikonia: Feeding the trolls are we?
[19:26] <ikonia> jpds: which one
[19:27] <IdleOne> ikonia: last thing you said was feeding time
[19:27] <IdleOne> jpds: was being his usual funny self :)
[19:41] <ikonia> ahh
[19:41] <ikonia> clever
[20:15] <ubottu> FloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from surunveri)
[20:31] <IdleOne> timpster is really getting on my last nerve, he has been given the !themes factoid several times, been told about !enter more then once...
[20:38] <IdleOne> Would using RTM instead of RTFM be acceptable if there is no other solution to offer to a user?
[20:39] <IdleOne> example: user asks about how to configure his router
[20:40] <Flannel> IdleOne: the F isn't the issue, the "go find the information and figure it out yourself" is
[20:41] <IdleOne> Flannel: well it isn't a direct "go find the information and figure it out yourself" but more of a answer after trouble shooting with the user.
[20:42] <Flannel> IdleOne: If you've been helping him and stuff, no, it's not an issue.  "This works just like its supposed to, those steps can be found here" is fin
[20:42] <IdleOne> ok thanks