[00:05] <funkyHat> hm, ubottu is telling me to use @comment None comment :/ I guess that's a bug?
[00:34] <bazhang> malv ban dodging?
[02:46] <bazhang> niglop is running mint, asking for help with in #xubuntu earlier, just a fyi
[03:15] <bazhang> deadBit?
 deadBit try top memory address as I said
[03:38] <bazhang> ugh
[04:15] <bazhang> tempted to just ban *threembb.ie as hufx/crivit/4 more nicks has ban dodged so much
[04:15] <bazhang> now on as alzir
[04:39] <bazhang>  [our_ALZIR] (~our_AZir@178.167.201.177.threembb.ie): our_ALZIR  this is the 8th time or so
[04:42] <bazhang>    mode +b *!*@178.167.*threembb.ie  would that cover it?
[04:44] <bazhang>    *!*@92.251.*threembb.ie and that?
[04:45] <bazhang> or no . needed after the 167
[04:47] <IdleOne> baz
[04:47] <Flannel> Where's the 92.251 come from?
[04:48] <IdleOne> bazhang:
[04:48] <IdleOne> still_our_ALZIR (~still_our@178.167.186.59.threembb.ie) has joined #ubuntu
[04:48] <bazhang> Flannel, his other addresses
[04:48] <bazhang> so would those work?
[04:48] <Flannel> That'll work, yeah.
[04:49] <bazhang> Flannel, thanks
[04:49] <Flannel> bazhang: Is that as specific as we can be?
[04:50] <bazhang> Flannel, he's got a ton of them, ranging pretty wide
[04:55] <Flannel> bazhang: Please remove my forward while you're +o: *!*@178.167.186.59.threembb.ie$#ubuntu-ops
[04:55] <Flannel> Oh, too late.
[04:56] <bazhang> Flannel, okay
[05:00] <IdleOne> timpster seems to be trolling
[05:00] <bazhang> or just not well informed
[05:10] <IdleOne> 082210-[00:06:31] <timpster> ZykoticK9, do you know how i might be able to make my own themes for gnome
[05:10] <bazhang> seems legit. at least he is off the main channel
[05:10] <IdleOne> that was in #u
[05:11] <IdleOne> and Zykotik doesn't seem to be active
[05:11] <bazhang> also the reason for asking tons of compiz questions: banned in #compiz after just a very short time
[05:49] <elky> I think we need to revise !ask.
[05:51] <funkyHat> !ask
[05:54] <abhijit> hello
[05:54] <abhijit> now you all got what i was saying about ibus?
[05:54] <abhijit> see that user asking about typeing hindi? and !ibus tells him that ibus is used for chines
[05:54] <abhijit> now ?
[05:55] <abhijit> i suggested that long before. no one updates ibus factoid. and now why should i type all these long senteces explaning him what is ibus?
[05:56] <abhijit> yah
[05:56] <IdleOne> abhijit: Would that be better?
[05:57] <abhijit> IdleOne, wait
[05:57] <IdleOne> !ibus
[05:58] <abhijit> IdleOne, !Ibus should tell that ibus is NOT ONLY for chines BUT ALSO for ALL langueges. so as now you can see when i tell taht user to use ibus everything should be clear for him in !ibus factoid itself
[05:58] <abhijit> after executing !ibus factoid we dont need to again type all this sentences expalining him that ibus is not only chines but you can also type in hindi
[05:59] <abhijit> current factoid making impression that ibus is ONLY for chinese. that i dont want. it should tell user that it is for ALL langues.
[05:59] <IdleOne> abhijit: would adding " and other language" be enough?
[06:01] <abhijit> IdleOne, ....input all langungeas including but not limited to chines,japanese, korean and add this link here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus
[06:03] <IdleOne> Flannel: Can you tell ubottu to remember that ?
[06:03] <abhijit> IdleOne, no in that case its not hindi. Hindi in language can you please make it Devanagari
[06:03] <abhijit> Flannel, wait still discussing updates.
[06:04] <abhijit> IdleOne, 'Devanagari' is exact.
[06:04] <IdleOne> abhijit: you can submit an edit to ubottu also. /msg ubottu Ibus is <text here>
[06:04] <abhijit> IdleOne, yes i know. i also submitted this before. you just wait i submit it again
[06:07] <abhijit> ok before that IdleOne can you just tell me that is it our policy to keep that chinese,japanes,korean names in that factoid? i am asking to that it will be clear for me to write more exact new text
[06:08] <IdleOne> abhijit: those languages were probably used because they are the most common ones people have asked about I suppose
[06:08] <abhijit> IdleOne, ok
[06:14] <abhijit> IdleOne, done.
[06:15] <IdleOne> abhijit: looks good I'll try to get some to add it to the bot.
[06:15] <abhijit> IdleOne, its really serios. may i wait here or just come back after some time?
[06:15] <Flannel> IdleOne: done?
[06:15] <Flannel> or, abhijit, done?
[06:15] <abhijit> i want to be sure about this update
[06:15] <IdleOne> Flannel: I believe so
[06:16] <abhijit> Flannel, yes
[06:16] <Flannel> is ibus really ibus in the wiki?
[06:16] <abhijit> hmm????
[06:16] <Flannel> Oh wow.  Why is it lowercase?
[06:16] <abhijit> where?
[06:16] <Flannel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ibus
[06:16] <IdleOne> Flannel: link is good yeah
[06:16] <abhijit> ok i wll edit it.
[06:16] <Flannel> should be IBus, sounds like.
[06:17] <abhijit> Flannel, yah editing
[06:17] <Flannel> abhijit: Just moving/renaming the page, I assume?
[06:17] <abhijit> Flannel, no. making ibus to IBus
[06:17] <Flannel> abhijit: Right, on the wikipage?
[06:17] <abhijit> Flannel, in the address help.ubutnu.com/community/ibus let it be small. i am now editing inside the page
[06:18] <abhijit> Flannel, yes on wikipage
[06:18] <Flannel> abhijit: You can't rename the page, but we can get someone to do so.
[06:18] <IdleOne> page won't let me rename
[06:18] <Flannel> That's generally a better way to do it
[06:18] <abhijit> hey
[06:18] <Flannel> so, lets keep it as it is now, and we'll update it when we get someone to change it
[06:18] <abhijit> Flannel, IdleOne but why are you renaming it?
[06:18] <abhijit> Flannel, yes sure.
[06:19] <Flannel> abhijit: Because its a rename from "ibus" to "IBus"
[06:19] <abhijit> Flannel, yah. sure. ok
[06:19] <Flannel> !ibus
[06:20] <abhijit> :)
[06:20] <abhijit> Flannel, IdleOne thank you very much!!!! :D
[06:20] <Flannel> Thanks for your input abhijit
[06:20] <abhijit> yah
[06:20] <IdleOne> sure thing abhijit
[06:20] <IdleOne> thank you
[06:20] <abhijit> yah.
[06:20] <abhijit> ok
[06:20] <abhijit> Have a nice day IdleOne Flannel and you all. !!! :D :)    Bye
[06:22] <rww> /lastlog mernilio in #ubuntu is concerning.
[06:23] <Flannel> Is it a full moon out?
[06:24] <rww> almost
[06:24] <IdleOne> if only werwolves could type
[08:08] <Flannel> Oh no.  "perfectbuntu" http://perfectbuntu.category5.tv/
[08:08] <Flannel> Anyone reviewed that yet?
[08:10] <jussi> oh cry...
[08:11] <Flannel> hah.  404 right now
[08:11] <jussi> from looking at it, it seems to be a install scrip with LOADS of non standard stuff, including stuff from ppa's
[08:12]  * maco winces
[08:12] <Flannel> Well, the "download to tmp, chmod something from tmp +x and run it" just sets things off on the right foot.
[08:12] <maco> O_O
[08:12] <jussi> and it grabs lists from that site:
[08:12] <jussi> You may notice when running Perfectbuntu 5 that it will connect to the perfectbuntu.category5.tv web site to obtain the current package list.
[08:13] <maco> uhh
[08:13] <maco> there's a user in #ubuntu with the nick "ops"
[08:13] <Flannel> It determines kde vs gnome by whether you have kdm or gdm installed!  and requires gksu (not gksu|kdesu, just gksu)
[08:13] <maco> *snort*
[08:14] <Flannel> maco: you want to ask him in a query to change it? or want me to?
[08:14] <maco> i can ask
[08:14] <jussi> Flannel: and there is a heck of a lot of --force-yes in that script
[08:15] <Flannel> jussi: I hadn't gotten there yet, but I guess I'm glad it's blatant and easy to find at this point :)
[08:15] <jussi> Flannel: see the script here: http://perfectbuntu.category5.tv/?page=packages
[08:16] <IdleOne> also has -ignore-missing
[08:16] <Flannel> I just backed off the file name and found it
[08:16] <Flannel> yeah -m is a lovely addition as well
[08:16] <maco> ok, pm sent
[08:16] <IdleOne> so I think we need a factoid.
[08:16] <jussi> IdleOne: lets see if it bcomes popular.
[08:18] <IdleOne> to be honest I never heard of the first 4 releases
[08:20] <Flannel> It also... tracks users.
[08:20] <Flannel> hostname and username
[08:20] <maco> :-O
[08:20] <Flannel> Although, if I've grokked this right, username would always be 'root'
[08:21] <Flannel> but yeah, hostname, username, and 32/64bit.
[08:21] <jussi> cripes
[08:21] <Flannel> And frankly, logging a username on a site (with the IP in the log files) is just gross.
[08:21] <jussi> does it add a root user?
[08:21] <IdleOne> not from what I saw
[08:22] <Flannel> jussi: the root user is already present...
[08:22] <IdleOne> it looks dirty from what I can tell
[08:22]  * IdleOne doesn't want to be anywhere near it
[08:22] <Flannel> It uses gksudo though.
[08:23] <Flannel> Also, it downloads and runs a file that it gets from the internet.
[08:23] <jussi> you know, perhaps we need to get together and think about a way that the same sort of stuff can be acheived cleanly, as there is clearly a demand for it.
[08:23] <IdleOne> there is
[08:23] <maco> isnt that what ubuntu-restricted-extras is?
[08:23] <jussi> some way perhaps of people sharing a setup they like with friends?
[08:23] <Flannel> without any checking, or whatnot.  So, someone can insert arbitrary code if you're on a unsafe connection, and it'll run.
[08:25] <IdleOne> jussi: isn't that what Synaptic and Software center are for?
[08:25] <Flannel> Anyone seen tis one before: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/what-to-do-after-fresh-ubuntu-install.html
[08:26] <jussi> Flannel: Im just ahving a look at it
[08:26] <IdleOne> Remember it's not recommended running a script without knowing exactly what it does, so I invite you to look at the code before running it.
[08:27] <IdleOne> on the above link
[08:27] <IdleOne> http://launchpad.net/ubuntustart/0.4.x/0.4.9/+download/ubuntu-10.04-start-0.4.9.10.tar.gz
[08:27] <IdleOne> err
[08:27] <IdleOne> probably shouldn't of pasted that
[08:27] <Flannel> shouldn't *have*
[08:28] <jussi>               elif [ "$choicee" = "$WORD26" ];
[08:28] <jussi>                      then
[08:28] <jussi>                      sudo apt-get remove -y --force-yes ubuntu-docs
[08:28] <Flannel> rww says second one does the... yeah, that.
[08:29] <maco> why does it need quilt and pbuilder?
[08:29] <jussi> oh dear, it installs ms corefonts, straight from the sharpfonts website... not through the deb?
[08:29] <maco> argh would be nice if $choice =  was testing for human readable things
[08:30] <maco> not WORD42
[08:30] <maco> autoaccept google earth license
[08:30] <maco> yeah im pretty sure THAT is not allowed
[08:30] <Flannel> some of the variable names are cute though:
[08:31] <Flannel> testmedibuntu, testmedibuntuu, testmedibuntuuu, testmedibuntuuuu (for four mirrors)
[08:32] <maco> yep saw that
[08:32] <maco> and went "wtf is it DOING?!" until i saw the elif's below, then thought there had to be a better way
[08:32] <Flannel> maco: Oh, if I were cleaning up this code...
[08:32] <maco> like wget foo || wget bar || wget baz
[08:33] <Flannel> maco: the way they approach it, they download them all to different folders, and so they'd need to know which folder they should use.
[08:33] <Flannel> but yeah, if you do that to a single, consistent filename, you'd just use that filename when you were done.
[08:35] <Flannel> jussi: If we want to bring one under our wing, I vote for this second one (of the two).  Plus, person already uses LP, and does reasonable changelogs
[08:36] <jussi> Flannel: Id rather have something built into ubuntu to somehow share, not some random script
[08:38] <Flannel> jussi: Well, random script (clean up and kosherized) could become built in (much like easyubuntu was on the path to become)
[08:41] <jussi> Flannel: these scripts are somewhat restricted to certain things. I was more thinking of a way to say share a certain set of packages and repos (not everything on your system) with a friend.
[08:42] <Flannel> jussi: Oh, that'd be ultimately built into UbuntuOne, I imagine.
[08:43] <jussi> Flannel: yeah, exactly
[08:44] <Flannel> jussi: the logistics of sharing settings like that is rediculous though
[09:06] <elky> ...is someone necromancing scripts?
[09:07] <maco> elky: we were doing forensic investiagations on them!
[09:07] <Flannel> elky: These look fresh.
[09:07] <elky> Flannel, ah ok.
[09:08] <elky> maco, you're a new op, you're not yet fully traumatised by the automatix-esque scripts people run at the recommendation of complete strangers.
[09:08] <maco> elky: i was a forum mod when automatix2 came about
[09:08] <maco> or was it ultimatix?
[09:08] <elky> Both.
[09:08] <maco> meh one of those bundles of fail
[09:09] <elky> Both fail.
[09:09] <elky> Go whisper the word near mjg.
[09:09] <maco> i remember his blog posts
[09:09] <Flannel> automatix was first, then automatix2, then ultimatix after automatix went bye bye (which is now ultimate edition)
[09:09] <elky> Take a video camera, I want to experience this vicariously.
[09:10] <elky> But anyway, those are what I was referring to with "necromancing"
[09:10] <maco> nah this is ungreat minds thinking alike
[09:40] <rww> 01:39:59 -!- aliceinwire_ [~aliceinwi@host215-113-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: echo "alias ls='OH LOOK A FORKBOMB RWW EDITED OUT'" >> /home/buluca/.bashrc]
[09:41] <Seveas> <-- aliceinwire_ has quit (Quit: echo "alias ls=':(){:|:&};:'" >> /home/buluca/.bashrc)
[09:41] <Seveas> as seen in #ubuntu
[09:41] <rww> Seveas: way ahead of you
[09:41] <Seveas> k
[09:42] <jussi> rww: sorted
[11:48] <ikonia> zatan looks like mesula/sam/xydvdasda
[14:52] <bazhang> llua, hi
[14:53] <llua> hi
[14:55] <ikonia> llua: how can we help
[14:55] <bazhang> ban forwarded here by funkyHat
[14:55] <ikonia> oh
[14:55] <ikonia> funkyHat: ping
[14:55] <llua> i need help?
[14:57] <ikonia> llua: it looks like you've been forwarded to this channel (#ubuntu-ops) instead of ubuntu-offtopic because you have a quit message that is not nice
[14:57] <llua> k.
[14:57] <ikonia> bazhang: is that the same ban as I can't see anything for funkyHat
[14:58] <bazhang> ikonia, I'm checking the bt
[14:58] <ikonia> llua: it also appeared you flooded #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:58] <llua> with?
[14:59] <bazhang> llua, your quit message needs changing
[15:03] <ikonia> I'll speak to dasei
[15:04] <ikonia> llua: do you understand what's currently happening ?
[15:04] <llua> i am waiting for a answer is whats happening.
 llua: it also appeared you flooded #ubuntu-offtopic
 with?
[15:04] <llua> my log shows i said one thing in the past 10 days in that channel
[15:05] <llua> i am wondering what i flooded the channel with
[15:05] <ikonia> llua: ok - you've been banned from #ubuntu-offtopic due to a quit message and some minor flooding of an ubuntu forum url (that maybe an old ban)
[15:06] <ikonia> llua: /msg DasEi can you stop repeating that
[15:06] <ikonia> oops
[15:06] <ikonia> sorry
[15:06] <ikonia> llua: the flooding appears to have been an old ban that was removed, so only the quit message is an issue
[15:08] <ikonia> llua: does that make sense to you ?
[15:09] <llua> yes.
[15:09] <ikonia> llua: great, so can you please change your quit message so we can remove the ban please.
[15:09] <llua> don't have one atm.
[15:10] <ikonia> you do
[15:10] <ikonia> it references black people
[15:10] <bazhang> try quitting and rejoining this channel
[15:10] <bazhang> he changed it
[15:11] <ikonia> it was still in place as of midnight yesterday / this morning my time
[15:11] <bazhang> yep
[15:24] <LjL> hi
[15:24] <LjL> i would like to be given a rationale for the banning of ryaxnb.
[15:24] <ikonia> howdy LjL
[15:24] <ikonia> when/what happened ?
[15:24] <ikonia> (I'll get the BT info)
[15:24] <bazhang> talk to Flannel
[15:25] <ikonia> there is no active ban
[15:25] <bazhang> yeah there is
[15:26] <LjL> ikonia: i think 3:58 UTC
[15:26] <bazhang> 12.106.45.2
[15:26] <LjL> today, that is - but maybe yesterday, my logs are a bit confusing
[15:27] <ikonia> the logs show him being asked to stop rambling, being asked to stop, pushing it, but agreeing, doing it again, being asked again saying "no I won't pay attention either way" in refernce to channel or operator requests
[15:27] <ikonia> so he got banned
[15:28] <ikonia> looks like the actual +b was a little slow so it makes the context hard to see
[15:28] <elky> Did I miss some change in etiquette that we now discuss details of an incident with non-participants?
[15:28] <LjL> ok, what was the rationale for forcing him to stop "rambling"?
[15:28] <LjL> !appeals | elky
[15:28] <ikonia> (from what I'm reading)
[15:28] <ikonia> elky: that's my fault,
[15:29] <elky> LjL, I'm not sure where in the appeals "send a bully" is listed as a step.
[15:29] <LjL> elky: it offends me that you'd imply that i've been "sent" by someone.
[15:29] <LjL> but i do "disagree with a decision by an operator".
[15:29] <LjL> i guess i'll go to the next step
[15:29] <LjL> bye
[15:30] <ikonia> I guess we'll park that then
[15:30]  * elky raises an eyebrow
[15:30] <ikonia> can't discuss if he's not in the channel
[15:30] <elky> So we're supposed to discuss the details of an incident with non-participants who declare themselves relevant by disagreement?
[15:31] <ikonia> elky: that's %100 my fault, I still think of ljl as an operator so have no issue common sense discussing
[15:31] <ikonia> I took his request for information as a request to resolve
[15:31] <elky> ikonia, he's still the one who asked, so not 100%
[15:32] <ikonia> llua: hi again
[15:32] <llua> uh huh.
[15:33] <ikonia> llua: looks like you've changed your quit message, so if you give me a moment to find and remove your ban I'll be happy to do so
[15:33] <ikonia> llua: just keep in mind any more unacceptable quit messages and we'll put the ban back on
[15:33] <ikonia> llua: in reality you should have been banned from #ubuntu to due to that message, but we missed it
[15:34] <llua> too many msg asking how to get my dvd playback to work to notice quit messages
[15:35] <ikonia> llua: well, the ban has been removed now, so please keep your quit messages polite
[16:10] <ikonia> llua: are you still getting forwarded here
[16:10] <llua> * #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-ops :Forwarding to another channel
[16:11] <ikonia> I wonder if I missed a ban
[16:11] <ikonia> hang on
[16:17] <ikonia> llua: I can't see a ban for you at all on #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:17] <ikonia> found it
[16:17] <ikonia> want to try now
[16:19] <ikonia> I wonder why funkyHat's ban didn't show in BT
[16:21] <jussi> ikonia:its possible that ubottu was away during that time.
[16:21] <ikonia> other stuff around that time shows up
[16:21] <ikonia> just not that ban
[16:26] <jussi> curious
[16:49] <ikonia> thewizord back in #kubuntu-offtopic with a real name of "Adolf Hitler"
[16:50] <ikonia> jussi: bols
[16:50] <ikonia> bold
[16:50] <ikonia> he seems to be trying to push $something in each ubuntu channel he's in of late
[16:51] <jussi> meh, if he wants to hang himself then let him, Im beyond worrying what he thinks of me.
[16:51] <ikonia> agreed
[16:55] <ikonia> feeding time
[17:30] <jpds> ikonia: Feeding the trolls are we?
[19:26] <ikonia> jpds: which one
[19:27] <IdleOne> ikonia: last thing you said was feeding time
[19:27] <IdleOne> jpds: was being his usual funny self :)
[19:41] <ikonia> ahh
[19:41] <ikonia> clever
[20:31] <IdleOne> timpster is really getting on my last nerve, he has been given the !themes factoid several times, been told about !enter more then once...
[20:38] <IdleOne> Would using RTM instead of RTFM be acceptable if there is no other solution to offer to a user?
[20:39] <IdleOne> example: user asks about how to configure his router
[20:40] <Flannel> IdleOne: the F isn't the issue, the "go find the information and figure it out yourself" is
[20:41] <IdleOne> Flannel: well it isn't a direct "go find the information and figure it out yourself" but more of a answer after trouble shooting with the user.
[20:42] <Flannel> IdleOne: If you've been helping him and stuff, no, it's not an issue.  "This works just like its supposed to, those steps can be found here" is fin
[20:42] <IdleOne> ok thanks