[00:28] !Xubuntu [00:28] Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of !GNOME. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels [00:57] hi anybody here..? [00:58] yes [00:58] hey bazhang [00:58] hi [00:58] my computer was running xfce and i didnt even have xfce4 installed? :S [00:58] is there some other package that it runs off that im not aware of [01:00] bazhang» ? [01:02] Niglop, yes? [01:02] is there some other package that it runs off that im not aware of [01:02] my computer was running xfce and i didnt even have xfce4 installed? :S [01:03] I don't see a troubleshooting question in there [01:04] no idea what you have done with your system or installed on it. [01:05] bazhang» well recently one of my sessions dissapeared and I went into the default xfce session and it is alot different to what mints xfce session is, I realised i didn't even have xfce4 installed? Is there a way I can get mint xfce session back [01:05] Niglop, mint? [01:05] linux mint bazhang [01:05] Niglop, go seek linux mint support [01:06] everybody in the channel is idle -.- [01:06] Niglop, be patient then. mint is not supported by ubuntu [01:06] well anyway, what I was asking is: how is my system running xfce if i didn't have xfce4 installed? [01:06] !mintsupport | Niglop [01:06] Niglop: Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu, please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org [01:07] -.- i am asking a de based question, not distro [01:07] you're running mint. get support from mint. [01:08] basically you are telling me to go f myself because i am using a different distro [01:08] lol [01:08] Niglop, watch the language [01:08] linux distros shouldnt compete, we are a community [01:08] I didn't use profanity.. [01:52] it would help if ppl read the topic when they entered a channel... [02:03] knetworkmanager [02:03] readyman78, question about that? === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [14:06] hey guys [14:06] i have ubuntu netbook edition installed and i want to convert to xubuntu [14:07] if i'll install XFCE-desktop would it do the trick? [14:07] or it's better to install xubuntu from scratch? [14:07] Hey serfus, you'll want to install xubuntu-desktop [14:08] vinnl, and then what will i need to delete if i am using the netbook edition? [14:09] serfus, hmm, let me check if there's something on that [14:09] I think this might do it: [14:09] !purexfce [14:09] If you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce » [14:09] It's meant for normal Ubuntu and Kubuntu, but it might get quite far for UNR [14:11] okay great [14:11] i'll try to look if there's any remaining after that [14:11] thank's allot vinnl [14:11] Yeah that should do the trick, worst case you have a couple of packages installed you don't use :) [14:11] np :) [14:17] I # [14:17] Hi # [14:18] Have a question for useage of gmrun.... [14:18] since I installed xubuntu-desktop (originally machine was a kubuntu), gmrun doesnt searches ~/bin anymore - but it was before [14:18] any hints on this? [14:20] ~/bin is in bashrc and bash_profile, but I dont know which config files are read by gmrun :-/ [14:24] another question: I switched to gdm as login manager but it doesnt remember lastsessiontype .... [14:26] adarof: check ~/.dmrc [14:27] adarof: it saves it there, if it cannot write there or something, it won't rememeber [14:29] TheSheep, thanks - "default" is stored there and thelastmodtime seems to be okay [14:29] Maybe gdm cant store "xterm"? (which should be remembered) [14:30] since -rw-r--r-- should be fine, right? [14:33] has xfce any button for "switch sesseion" thus I get back to gdm and could login with another user? [14:36] adarof: you can logout [14:38] Well.... [14:40] thats the 3rd problem, i have: Logout takes ages (3min or so) - if any application wasnt closed before... e.g. the korganizer reminder daemon or keepassx [14:45] adarof: any chance you are also seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/535105 in gmrun ? [14:45] Launchpad bug 535105 in gmrun (Ubuntu) "gmrun config for TermExec variable doesn't support command line options" [Undecided,New] [14:48] charlie-tca, no, dont think so: I'm just refereing to the tab-completion of gmrun, which ignores my $PATH settings [14:50] and it was before I installed xubuntu-desktop thus im sure that its an xubuntu issue [14:50] but I dont have any starting point [14:50] how could I discover which is thecurrent $PATH of gmrun? [14:51] hmm, I don't know gmrun at all. I just know some of the bugs [14:51] Sorry, I can't really help with it. [14:51] charlie-tca, ah, sorry - U asked me to confirm the bug? [14:51] yes [14:52] Give me 5min [14:52] sure. I will that long cleaning up the spilled coffee here [15:08] Hm - I think I cant confirm [15:09] I have added a gmrunrc and specified TermExec = xfce4-terminal -x within [15:10] afterwards I could start gmrun and type xcalc hitting Ctrl-Enter and xcalc shows up (with an xfce4-terminal) [15:10] if I remove -x from gmrunrc it does not work -- thus the -x is honored?! [15:11] Should I comment the bug? [15:12] Please do, if you don't mind. [15:12] fine with me [15:13] It could be a different issue causing problems for the reporter. That's why we want to have at least two people with the same things before we confirm [15:17] done [15:18] Maybe my testing procedure does not match his description [15:21] Thanks for trying. [15:22] It is possible. I tried, but I just can't seem to understand what to do with it. [15:24] gmrun seems to "use" a sh-environment -- how could I set $PATH for /bin/sh ? [15:29] add it to path in .bashrc or /etc/bashrc using PATH="$PATH:/bin/sh" [15:29] I have done that - and checked [15:29] doesnt help [15:29] or in terminal using set PATH=$PATH:/bin/sh [15:30] for normal terminals it works ...its just gmrun, which doesnt use it [15:30] Maybe that is the actual problem then, not termexec? [15:31] Dont think these issues are related [15:31] oh, I see [15:31] So you got a new bug? [15:31] since my prob is before hitting ctrl-enter [15:31] if sh won't append to path [15:34] I know its not a real bug since it was okay prior installing xubuntu-desktop package [15:35] hmm, might be something Xubuntu does different then. [15:36] did you do a logout/login after changing the path? [15:36] (in .bashrc or /etc/bashrc) [15:36] in bashrc it is defined since...well 10 years or so [15:36] oh [15:37] well, suggestions, suggestions.... [15:37] and .... gmrun "knows" ~bin, if I start it from a terminal [15:37] thus it is related to xfce in some way [15:38] You probably should file a bug on it, then. maybe the other gmrun reporter could verify yours. [15:42] Uh.... [15:42] on my laptop it still works...and the difference is that I havent changed kdm->gdm there [15:44] Then it is something in gdm causing it.Probably related to the gnome-session/xfce-session stuff [15:45] I just cross check [15:45] Switched to gdm on laptop [15:45] and ... [15:45] heh [15:45] Jup - it doesnt work [15:45] So.... [15:46] I need a gdm expert [15:46] :-) [15:46] yup [15:46] mr_pouit: you around today? [15:46] GDM is default on Xubuntu, isn't it? [15:46] Perhaps there's a #gdm? :) [15:46] yes [15:46] So how can you switch to it, adarof? [15:47] Aquina, dpkg-reconfigure gdm [15:47] charlie-tca: yes, but I'm not a gdm expert… [15:47] oh, well, thanks anyway then [15:48] Thats cause I come from kubuntu (thus kde, thus kdm) [15:49] I'm not a gdm expert as well but maybe the problem can easily be solved!? :) [15:49] Aquina, Well? Switching back to kdm? [15:50] Think so - also due to my "gdm doesnt remember session type" problem [15:50] Or any other Idea? [15:50] hm [15:51] What do logs say? What exactly doen't work? Checked the config manualy? [15:51] it sould remember the session type, in the ~/.dmrc file afaik [15:51] I assume you wanted to reset things with dpkg-reconfigure, huh? [15:52] Aquina, dpkg-reconfigure askes "which login manager should be used" and I could easily switch [15:52] No log entries since no errors [15:52] I see. [15:52] adarof... I've got it! [15:52] Ask someone with gdm knowlege! :-) [15:53] If I type pwd in gmrun I see in .xsession-errors [15:53] o_O [15:53] :-/ [15:53] * adarof looking up what spassvogel is in english [15:53] funster [15:54] *lol* Ja, ich bin manchmal ein Spaßvogel! [15:55] Ah, these germans ...always around [15:56] natürlich [15:56] /quit ;-) === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [16:34] args [16:35] typo in .profile [16:35] sorry ww [16:36] okay, my gmrun issue is solved [16:37] KDM adds ~/bin to PATH by default - GDM doesnt [16:37] thus a ~/.profile helps [16:49] ... [16:52] Glad to hear you got that part fixed! [16:56] yeah - that was a tricky one [16:56] next: long logout times [16:57] nobody of you have this issue? [16:58] so long logout time, IF a appliaction isnt closed... === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [17:04] Do we have anyone running Maverick here? === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [17:24] charlie-tca: good morning charlie [17:25] Hello, KE1HA [17:25] How are things today? [17:25] Busy as always. You heard frm Cody lately? [17:25] No, and usually won't on sunday [17:25] Ahh ok. [17:26] But I haven't forgotten. I will get him tomorrow [17:26] We should probably propose a team meeting at some point in the not to distant future, lots of things to discuss. [17:30] Regarding your Maverick question, I just zsync'd a bunch of images to 20100822 last night .. need to update all my VM's but can do xub first if you need something specific. [17:30] got it, thanks [17:31] Ok [17:44] hey charlie-tca you may know about this, I ran across a neat too to automate pastebinit from the command-line, you know about that one ? [17:44] tool* [17:45] Ummm, yes, but I usually forget about it [17:45] I found hints(?) regarding my long logout problem. This is my .xsession-errors AFTER logout: http://pastebin.ca/1922728 Does anyone understand something there? [17:46] yeah, it's pretty neat. I've doing copy & paste, but now can just do something like: lscpi | pastebinit and it' sends it to the pastebin and give me the link back. [17:50] adarof: nope, that's beyond me, but looks related to: GLib-GObject-WARNING [17:50] I think there are too many kde apps refusing to accept the shutdown from Xfce [17:51] What version of ??? is that? 9.10? [17:51] charlie-tca, any idea how I could make them accepting shutdown by xfce? [17:52] I don't know. I usually have to shutdown some of mine before hitting quit [17:52] charlie-tca, aehm 10.4 4.6.1ubuntu3 [17:52] ** Message: xfsm-shutdown-helper.c:268: Using HAL to shutdown/reboot the computer. [17:52] charlie-tca, ...otherwise would what happen? [17:53] 10.04 should not be using HAL [17:53] Takes too long if I leave them open [17:53] My pastebin states that it uses HAL [17:53] But, then again, I run the unstable versions [17:53] I know. That's why I pasted that line above [17:54] I wonder if Kubuntu is still using it, and it confused things? [17:55] adarof: you could try this: [17:55] If there is a way to reproduce or people who frequently have this, they can set [17:55] the environment variable XFSM_VERBOSE=1, which will dump information about what [17:55] the session manager is doing, that would be very helpful. [17:55] Then file a bug for the slow shutdown issue in xfce4-session [17:55] and attach the log [17:56] how do you set that variable charlie-tca ? [17:56] Yeah - where could I set this? .profile and relogin? Logs would go to .xsession-errors? [17:56] (xfce 4.6.x still uses hal btw. Only the future 4.8 doesn't) [17:57] set it in .bashrc, using export XFSM_VERBOSE=1 on a line by itself. then logout and login. [17:57] It should go to .xsessionerrors log [17:58] It will give the developers a lot of info about what happened. [17:58] cool, tnx [18:00] * charlie-tca is "just another user" again [18:00] How did you just post that? [18:01] with my keyboard? [18:01] just add "/me" without the quotes at the start of the line [18:01] Yeah, but it's puts a * pm the line, then your comment. [18:02] (in Xchat, at least) [18:02] * KE1HA wishing I knew IRC better :-) [18:02] Cool [18:02] That's it. The problem I have is remembering when doing it, everything is third person [18:03] I just had that problem too :-) [18:03] should have said [18:03] * KE1HA wishing he knew IRC better :-) [18:03] charlie-tca, No more log entries [18:03] yup [18:03] huh? [18:03] maybe .bashrc is the wrong place? [18:04] adarof: file a bug anyway, using ubuntu-bug xfce4-session and attach your /var/log/syslog to it along with the ~/.xsession-errors log [18:05] I do all my environment variable changes in .bashrc. [18:05] maybe got to do the variable on one line and export on the next? [18:06] I give the .profile a try [18:07] Dont think it could be line related since if something interprets a bashrc file,it should speak bhasbrc ;-) [18:07] example: BROWSER=firefox then export BROWSER makes firefox the default browser. To change my default browser, all I do is replace firefox name [18:08] charlie-tca, yep... [18:08] charlie-tca, okay using .profile does not output MORE, but at least the messages are formated in another way [18:08] It might be we got the logs wrong, though. Unless you already had it enabled somehow. [18:08] Do they make more sense? [18:09] charlie-tca, not really more information ... will pastebin them [18:09] Okay [18:11] charlie-tca, http://pastebin.ca/1922790 [18:12] pfff - my first pastebin log is indexed by google o_O [18:13] It's a kde bug [18:13] kdeinit4 is the culprit, I think [18:13] charlie-tca, hu? [18:14] it getskilled like all other apps [18:14] It is not xfce's bug, It is kde not playing nice [18:14] is this still alpha or beta tsting? when is RC testing - september? [18:14] But it also happens with keepassx, Openoffice etc, pp [18:14] Aquina: we are only alpha3 [18:15] adarof: it is still kdeinit4 doing it [18:15] Aquina: sept 30 for rc, testing probably about sept 26 [18:15] charlie-tca, I will end all kde apps and pastebin the log with opened openoffice/firefox, k? [18:16] okay [18:16] uh [18:16] sorry [18:16] no problem [18:16] U are right...no kde apps, no problem [18:16] I was sure that I verified this before [18:16] heh [18:17] that's okay. sometimes another set of eyes helps [18:17] charlie-tca, why do you think its kde's fault? Line 18? [18:17] thx chalie nice to know. [18:17] Because kdeinit is causing it [18:17] It should not run with xfce running [18:18] Yet satisfied with alpha3, Charlie? Are things running smoothly? [18:18] I think it is started if I start any kde app? [18:18] I just triage the bugs,. If I got this as a bug report, reading this log tells me it is kdeinit causing the issues [18:19] Well, it isn't playing right. KDE needs to fix it [18:19] Aquina: alpha3 is pretty good, got a few issues, but they are not high on the serious bugs list [18:19] charlie-tca, where do you see this? I just dont understand -- and would like to...thats for going to the kde people :-) [18:20] charlie-tca, or is it my config fault that kdeinit is started? [18:20] adarof: because it is all the kde apps failing to shutdown [18:21] You have xfce and kde initializing, when running the xfce session. If xfce is in control, then kdeinit should listen to it [18:21] * charlie-tca doesn't think his reasons are sound, but the bug is in kde [18:21] I like Vector image "wallpaper_draft_2" and photogaphy "tc_photo_sky_2", by the way. [18:22] Aquina: little things, like if you open a terminal, and look at preferences, when you close preferences, it shuts down the terminal too [18:23] Docs are very out of date still, mixer mutes on login [18:23] Oh, and nvidia is broken with the new kernel === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [18:25] which kernel ? [18:27] :-) [18:32] The newest - 2.6.35.17.18 [18:32] and all the other .35 kernels, I think [18:33] It is just the hardware drivers broken, mostly [18:35] adarof: some of that is experience [18:40] hi [18:41] !hi [18:41] Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines . Enjoy your stay! [18:49] wow, sombody has been busy with updates. I synced XUB a day or so ago, and there's 300MB of updates [18:51] Maverick? [18:51] yes [18:51] Expect something close to that until we get to beta [18:56] charlie-tca: Im not sure I'll see this Kernel bug in VM, but I'm updating to the latest version first, then will test out the nVidia Restricted Drivers. [18:56] I don't know if you will see it either. I test in VBox, but it won't use hardware drivers. === kancerman_ is now known as kancerman === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [19:19] charlie-tca: I have another workstation not doing allot at the moment, may set that up specifically for kernel / driver testing. [19:20] It is okay. There are many Ubuntu users also running maverick. Kernel and driver issues usually affect all of us [19:21] In fact, I don't have the failure. But many do have it. [19:22] My thing is, with nVdia, I picked mainstream Cards (Mostly EVGA and BFG), and it seems to be the odd card MFG's that have allot of issues. [19:22] and ATI, oh boy, that's a handfull too. [19:23] yup [19:23] this go around, ATI is working, but nvidia is having issues [19:23] Last release, it was ATI broken for most of the testing [19:25] does the lastest kernel have dkms enabled by default? [19:29] as far as I know [19:30] Im just install QT and SDL at the moment. [19:30] installing* [19:49] I have another issue: the keyboard switch-widget looses its configuration - sometimes/often/nearly every time I logout/login [19:50] charlie-tca: what you know about libcurl3 ? is that a lin for curl ? [19:50] lib* [19:50] yup [19:50] Configuration means Change layout option , Manage layout and sometimes even the keyboard layouts I added [19:50] tried to install curl, and it failed on the dep libcurl3 [19:51] adarof: you did get a valid test on that bug for me. Thanks [19:51] Hi. Does anyone know of more Ubuntu menus besides GnoMenu, mintmenu, gnome menu? [19:51] Sorry, wrong channel. [19:51] Yep - I got response :-) Glad to assist :-) [19:51] Belserusk: yes, xfce menu [19:51] :D [19:51] charlie-tca for Ubuntu? [19:52] What about the "menu" application, which installs debian menu [19:52] charlie-tca, I also commented on the other 2 gmrun-tagged bugs ... lets see if we can close those, too [19:52] Great! Thanks very much. [19:56] charlie-tca: just FYI, libcurl3 is not a defult package in mav, so to install VBOX, gotta install it. [19:57] hm? [19:57] I have had vbox installed since alpha1, memory fails me... ;-) [19:58] dont know m8 was jsut tresitng the VBOX setup and it failed deps on libcurl3 [19:59] Well, that might be right, since VBox usually won't come out witht he new version until the release. [20:00] Hmm fare enough, but it's also required to install curl [20:00] anyways, no big deal. [20:04] Bug 5600 and 5636 seem to be related to my issue [20:04] Launchpad bug 5600 in transcode (Ubuntu) "transcode's ffmpeg not working (dup-of: 5601)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5600 [20:04] Launchpad bug 5601 in transcode (Ubuntu) "transcode's ffmpeg not working" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5601 [20:04] Launchpad bug 5636 in evolution (Ubuntu) "GPG support in Evolution broken (not complete)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5636 [20:05] and a lot of others...:-/ [20:07] How could I help here? [20:07] I cant go into the source -- but logging/trying ... [20:11] those have been fixed already. It would be better to file a new bug, with the new versions. [20:12] When too much code changes, the bugs are no longer valid for the code [20:20] charlie-tca: that's the tricky part, figuring out if it's old-bug renewed, or updated pkg's with a new bug [20:21] when the numbers are in the 1000 range, file a new bug if the old one is closed [20:22] so are you testing maverick exclusively now or 10.04 as well ? [20:28] bye [20:29] I test all the versions, but I run the latest development version on my everyday system [20:32] Ok, daft question, how do I remove the Verve Command Line app from the task panel [20:33] easiest from top or bottom [20:33] or that one pixel left or right [20:34] It's on the top. I wanted to add a terminal launcher, but right-click opens the app, w/out option to add to the panel. different behavior than in gnome. [21:04] charlie-tca, Okay, opend a new one: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6657 [21:04] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 6657 in General "XKB loosing preferences" [Normal,New] [21:05] thanks [21:08] hi [21:08] I need help with Xubuntu [21:08] I was here yesterday but my internet connection went down [21:09] * adarof gives a basket of help to LeoIII_ [21:09] !help [21:09] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [21:09] What can we do for you, LeoIII_ ? [21:10] I need Xubuntu to recognize my mouse [21:10] Its a serial mouse [21:10] I now its old [21:10] and I should buy a ps/2 mouse but i cant so i want to know if you can help me with this [21:11] a serial mouse.... now, i've heard tales of them but i've always considered those as legend only [21:11] Uh - thats long ago... [21:11] :D [21:11] Thats why i?ve installed Xubuntu [21:12] Because I have a very old computer [21:12] possibility - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto [21:12] I aleady did that [21:12] LeoIII_, give it a try: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3839.html [21:13] but maybe it works only for older version (it worked when I used Xubuntu 8.10) [21:13] LeoIII_, instead of Step 9 try "sudo restart gdm" [21:14] But when I try to open the xorg file (I know it´s case sensitive) it tells me that that file doesnt exist [21:15] i created the file and wrote what i should wrote but it doesnt work [21:16] Ok, I'll give it a try, I'll come back in.... 10 minutes [21:16] You wrote it using sudo or gksudo / [21:16] right/ [21:16] yes [21:16] ok [21:16] c ya [21:23] Well, enough for today. See you later! [21:24] thanks [21:37] Hi again [21:38] It didn't work [21:39] It says 'xserver-xfree86' is not installed [21:39] or something like that [21:40] Hello? [21:41] is anybody here? [21:42] !patience [21:42] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://ubuntu.stackexchange.com [21:42] if you miss a package, then install it [21:42] LeoIII_, sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 [21:43] away -> [21:43] I cant [21:43] I have a problem with the internet connection too [21:43] I wanted to solve the mouse problem first [21:45] LeoIII_, the missing package includes the software which you tries to configure [21:46] LeoIII_, you could try to configure mousefor console - this mighthelp for short term, but if you want graphical interface you would need to configure it there, too [21:48] Well, I'll try to configure the connection, If it works I'll write from Firefox [21:48] c ya [21:54] Hi [21:54] I'm now using Xubuntu :D [21:54] yay! [21:54] :D [21:55] Now if you could tell me what I should do (with the apt-get thing) [21:56] I now I gotta be patient -_- [21:57] sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 -- like knome mentioned [21:57] thanks [21:59] "the xserver-xfree86 is not available but the next package are available xserver-xorg-core [21:59]