[00:28] <Ludacris> !Xubuntu
[00:57] <Niglop> hi anybody here..?
[00:58] <bazhang> yes
[00:58] <Niglop> hey bazhang
[00:58] <bazhang> hi
[00:58] <Niglop> my computer was running xfce and i didnt even have xfce4 installed? :S
[00:58] <Niglop> is there some other package that it runs off that im not aware of
[01:00] <Niglop> bazhang» ?
[01:02] <bazhang> Niglop, yes?
[01:02] <Niglop> is there some other package that it runs off that im not aware of
[01:02] <Niglop> my computer was running xfce and i didnt even have xfce4 installed? :S
[01:03] <bazhang> I don't see a troubleshooting question in there
[01:04] <bazhang> no idea what you have done with your system or installed on it.
[01:05] <Niglop> bazhang» well recently one of my sessions dissapeared and I went into the default xfce session and it is alot different to what mints xfce session is, I realised i didn't even have xfce4 installed? Is there a way I can get mint xfce session back
[01:05] <bazhang> Niglop, mint?
[01:05] <Niglop> linux mint bazhang
[01:05] <bazhang> Niglop, go seek linux mint support
[01:06] <Niglop> everybody in the channel is idle -.-
[01:06] <bazhang> Niglop, be patient then. mint is not supported by ubuntu
[01:06] <Niglop> well anyway, what I was asking is: how is my system running xfce if i didn't have xfce4 installed?
[01:06] <bazhang> !mintsupport | Niglop
[01:07] <Niglop> -.- i am asking a de based question, not distro
[01:07] <bazhang> you're running mint. get support from mint.
[01:08] <Niglop> basically you are telling me to go f myself because i am using a different distro
[01:08] <Niglop> lol
[01:08] <bazhang> Niglop, watch the language
[01:08] <Niglop> linux distros shouldnt compete, we are a community
[01:08] <Niglop> I didn't use profanity..
[01:52] <well_laid_lawn> it would help if ppl read the topic when they entered a channel...
[02:03] <readyman78> knetworkmanager
[02:03] <bazhang> readyman78, question about that?
[14:06] <serfus> hey guys
[14:06] <serfus> i have ubuntu netbook edition installed and i want to convert to xubuntu
[14:07] <serfus> if i'll install XFCE-desktop would it do the trick?
[14:07] <serfus> or it's better to install xubuntu from scratch?
[14:07] <vinnl> Hey serfus, you'll want to install xubuntu-desktop
[14:08] <serfus> vinnl, and then what will i need to delete if i am using the netbook edition?
[14:09] <vinnl> serfus, hmm, let me check if there's something on that
[14:09] <vinnl> I think this might do it:
[14:09] <vinnl> !purexfce
[14:09] <vinnl> It's meant for normal Ubuntu and Kubuntu, but it might get quite far for UNR
[14:11] <serfus> okay great
[14:11] <serfus> i'll try to look if there's any remaining after that
[14:11] <serfus> thank's allot vinnl
[14:11] <vinnl> Yeah that should do the trick, worst case you have a couple of packages installed you don't use :)
[14:11] <vinnl> np :)
[14:17] <adarof> I #
[14:17] <adarof> Hi #
[14:18] <adarof> Have a question for useage of gmrun....
[14:18] <adarof> since I installed xubuntu-desktop (originally machine was a kubuntu), gmrun doesnt searches ~/bin anymore - but it was before
[14:18] <adarof> any hints on this?
[14:20] <adarof> ~/bin is in bashrc and bash_profile, but I dont know which config files are read by gmrun :-/
[14:24] <adarof> another question: I switched to gdm as login manager but it doesnt remember lastsessiontype ....
[14:26] <TheSheep> adarof: check ~/.dmrc
[14:27] <TheSheep> adarof: it saves it there, if it cannot write there or something, it won't rememeber
[14:29] <adarof> TheSheep, thanks - "default" is stored there and thelastmodtime seems to be okay
[14:29] <adarof> Maybe gdm cant store "xterm"? (which should be remembered)
[14:30] <adarof> since -rw-r--r-- should be fine, right?
[14:33] <adarof> has xfce any button for "switch sesseion" thus I get back to gdm and could login with another user?
[14:36] <TheSheep> adarof: you can logout
[14:38] <adarof> Well....
[14:40] <adarof> thats the 3rd problem, i have: Logout takes ages (3min or so) - if any application wasnt closed before... e.g. the korganizer reminder daemon or keepassx
[14:45] <charlie-tca> adarof: any chance you are also seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/535105 in gmrun ?
[14:48] <adarof> charlie-tca, no, dont think so: I'm just refereing to the tab-completion of gmrun, which ignores my $PATH settings
[14:50] <adarof> and it was before I installed xubuntu-desktop thus im sure that its an xubuntu issue
[14:50] <adarof> but I dont have any starting point
[14:50] <adarof> how could I discover which is thecurrent $PATH of gmrun?
[14:51] <charlie-tca> hmm, I don't know gmrun at all. I just know some of the bugs
[14:51] <charlie-tca> Sorry, I can't really help with it.
[14:51] <adarof> charlie-tca, ah, sorry - U asked me to confirm the bug?
[14:51] <charlie-tca>  yes
[14:52] <adarof> Give me 5min
[14:52] <charlie-tca> sure. I will that long cleaning up the spilled coffee here
[15:08] <adarof> Hm - I think I cant confirm
[15:09] <adarof> I have added a gmrunrc and specified TermExec = xfce4-terminal -x within
[15:10] <adarof> afterwards I could start gmrun and type xcalc hitting Ctrl-Enter and xcalc shows up (with an xfce4-terminal)
[15:10] <adarof> if I remove -x from gmrunrc it does not work -- thus the -x is honored?!
[15:11] <adarof> Should I comment the bug?
[15:12] <charlie-tca> Please do, if you don't mind.
[15:12] <adarof> fine with me
[15:13] <charlie-tca> It could be a different issue causing problems for the reporter. That's why we want to have at least two people with the same things before we confirm
[15:17] <adarof> done
[15:18] <adarof> Maybe my testing procedure does not match his description
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Thanks for trying.
[15:22] <charlie-tca> It is possible. I tried, but I just can't seem to understand what to do with it.
[15:24] <adarof> gmrun seems to "use" a sh-environment -- how could I set $PATH for /bin/sh ?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> add it to path in .bashrc or /etc/bashrc using      PATH="$PATH:/bin/sh"
[15:29] <adarof> I have done that - and checked
[15:29] <adarof> doesnt help
[15:29] <charlie-tca> or in terminal using      set PATH=$PATH:/bin/sh
[15:30] <adarof> for normal terminals it works ...its just gmrun, which doesnt use it
[15:30] <charlie-tca> Maybe that is the actual problem then, not termexec?
[15:31] <adarof> Dont think these issues are related
[15:31] <charlie-tca> oh, I see
[15:31] <charlie-tca> So you got a new bug?
[15:31] <adarof> since my prob is before hitting ctrl-enter
[15:31] <charlie-tca> if sh won't append to path
[15:34] <adarof> I know its not a real bug since it was okay prior installing xubuntu-desktop package
[15:35] <charlie-tca> hmm, might be something Xubuntu does different then.
[15:36] <charlie-tca> did you do a logout/login after changing the path?
[15:36] <charlie-tca> (in .bashrc or /etc/bashrc)
[15:36] <adarof> in bashrc it is defined since...well 10 years or so
[15:36] <charlie-tca> oh
[15:37] <charlie-tca> well, suggestions, suggestions....
[15:37] <adarof> and .... gmrun "knows" ~bin, if I start it from a terminal
[15:37] <adarof> thus it is related to xfce in some way
[15:38] <charlie-tca> You probably should file a bug on it, then. maybe the other gmrun reporter could verify yours.
[15:42] <adarof> Uh....
[15:42] <adarof> on my laptop it still works...and the difference is that I havent changed kdm->gdm there
[15:44] <charlie-tca> Then it is something in gdm causing it.Probably related to the gnome-session/xfce-session stuff
[15:45] <adarof> I just cross check
[15:45] <adarof> Switched to gdm on laptop
[15:45] <adarof> and ...
[15:45] <charlie-tca> heh
[15:45] <adarof> Jup - it doesnt work
[15:45] <adarof> So....
[15:46] <adarof> I need a gdm expert
[15:46] <adarof> :-)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:46] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: you around today?
[15:46] <Aquina> GDM is default on Xubuntu, isn't it?
[15:46] <vinnl> Perhaps there's a #gdm? :)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:46] <Aquina> So how can you switch to it, adarof?
[15:47] <adarof> Aquina, dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[15:47] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yes, but I'm not a gdm expert…
[15:47] <charlie-tca> oh, well, thanks anyway then
[15:48] <adarof> Thats cause I come from kubuntu (thus kde, thus kdm)
[15:49] <Aquina> I'm not a gdm expert as well but maybe the problem can easily be solved!? :)
[15:49] <adarof> Aquina, Well? Switching back to kdm?
[15:50] <adarof> Think so - also due to my "gdm doesnt remember session type" problem
[15:50] <adarof> Or any other Idea?
[15:50] <Aquina> hm
[15:51] <Aquina> What do logs say? What exactly doen't work? Checked the config manualy?
[15:51] <mr_pouit> it sould remember the session type, in the ~/.dmrc file afaik
[15:51] <Aquina> I assume you wanted to reset things with dpkg-reconfigure, huh?
[15:52] <adarof> Aquina, dpkg-reconfigure askes "which login manager should be used" and I could easily switch
[15:52] <adarof> No log entries since no errors
[15:52] <Aquina> I see.
[15:52] <Aquina> adarof... I've got it!
[15:52] <Aquina> Ask someone with gdm knowlege! :-)
[15:53] <adarof> If I type pwd in gmrun I see in .xsession-errors
[15:53] <adarof> o_O
[15:53] <Aquina> :-/
[15:53]  * adarof looking up what spassvogel is in english
[15:53] <adarof> funster
[15:54] <Aquina> *lol* Ja, ich bin manchmal ein Spaßvogel!
[15:55] <adarof> Ah, these germans ...always around
[15:56] <brot> natürlich
[15:56] <adarof>  /quit ;-)
[16:34] <adarof> args
[16:35] <adarof> typo in .profile
[16:35] <adarof> sorry ww
[16:36] <adarof> okay, my gmrun issue is solved
[16:37] <adarof> KDM adds ~/bin to PATH by default - GDM doesnt
[16:37] <adarof> thus a ~/.profile helps
[16:49] <Aquina> ...
[16:52] <charlie-tca> Glad to hear you got that part fixed!
[16:56] <adarof> yeah - that was a tricky one
[16:56] <adarof> next: long logout times
[16:57] <adarof> nobody of you have this issue?
[16:58] <adarof> so long logout time, IF a appliaction isnt closed...
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Do we have anyone running Maverick here?
[17:24] <KE1HA> charlie-tca: good morning charlie
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Hello, KE1HA
[17:25] <charlie-tca> How are things today?
[17:25] <KE1HA> Busy as always. You heard frm Cody lately?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> No, and usually won't on sunday
[17:25] <KE1HA> Ahh ok.
[17:26] <charlie-tca> But I haven't forgotten. I will get him tomorrow
[17:26] <KE1HA> We should probably propose a team meeting at some point in the not to distant future, lots of things to discuss.
[17:30] <KE1HA> Regarding your Maverick question, I just zsync'd a bunch of images to 20100822 last night .. need to update all my VM's but can do xub first if you need something specific.
[17:30] <charlie-tca> got it, thanks
[17:31] <KE1HA> Ok
[17:44] <KE1HA> hey charlie-tca you may know about this, I ran across a neat too to automate pastebinit  from the command-line, you know about that one ?
[17:44] <KE1HA> tool*
[17:45] <charlie-tca> Ummm, yes, but I usually forget about it
[17:45] <adarof> I found hints(?) regarding my long logout problem. This is my .xsession-errors AFTER logout: http://pastebin.ca/1922728 Does anyone understand something there?
[17:46] <KE1HA> yeah, it's pretty neat. I've doing copy & paste, but now can just do something like: lscpi | pastebinit and it' sends it to the pastebin and give me the link back.
[17:50] <KE1HA> adarof:  nope, that's beyond me, but looks related to: GLib-GObject-WARNING
[17:50] <charlie-tca> I think there are too many kde apps refusing to accept the shutdown from Xfce
[17:51] <charlie-tca> What version of ??? is that? 9.10?
[17:51] <adarof> charlie-tca, any idea how I could make them accepting shutdown by xfce?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I usually have to shutdown some of mine before hitting quit
[17:52] <adarof> charlie-tca, aehm 10.4 4.6.1ubuntu3
[17:52] <charlie-tca> ** Message: xfsm-shutdown-helper.c:268: Using HAL to shutdown/reboot the computer.
[17:52] <adarof> charlie-tca, ...otherwise would what happen?
[17:53] <charlie-tca> 10.04 should not be using HAL
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Takes too long if I leave them open
[17:53] <adarof> My pastebin states that it uses HAL
[17:53] <charlie-tca> But, then again, I run the unstable versions
[17:53] <charlie-tca> I know. That's why I pasted that line above
[17:54] <charlie-tca> I wonder if Kubuntu is still using it, and it confused things?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> adarof: you could try this:
[17:55] <charlie-tca> If there is a way to reproduce or people who frequently have this, they can set
[17:55] <charlie-tca> the environment variable XFSM_VERBOSE=1, which will dump information about what
[17:55] <charlie-tca> the session manager is doing, that would be very helpful.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> Then file a bug for the slow shutdown issue in xfce4-session
[17:55] <charlie-tca> and attach the log
[17:56] <KE1HA> how do you set that variable charlie-tca ?
[17:56] <adarof> Yeah - where could I set this? .profile and relogin? Logs would go to .xsession-errors?
[17:56] <mr_pouit> (xfce 4.6.x still uses hal btw. Only the future 4.8 doesn't)
[17:57] <charlie-tca> set it in .bashrc, using   export XFSM_VERBOSE=1   on a line by itself. then logout and login.
[17:57] <charlie-tca> It should go to .xsessionerrors log
[17:58] <charlie-tca> It will give the developers a lot of info about what happened.
[17:58] <KE1HA> cool, tnx
[18:00]  * charlie-tca is "just another user" again
[18:00] <KE1HA> How did you just post that?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> with my keyboard?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> just add "/me" without the quotes at the start of the line
[18:01] <KE1HA> Yeah, but it's puts a * pm the line, then your comment.
[18:02] <charlie-tca> (in Xchat, at least)
[18:02]  * KE1HA wishing I knew IRC better :-)
[18:02] <KE1HA> Cool
[18:02] <charlie-tca> That's it. The problem I have is remembering when doing it, everything is third person
[18:03] <KE1HA> I just had that problem too :-)
[18:03] <KE1HA> should have said
[18:03]  * KE1HA wishing he knew IRC better :-)
[18:03] <adarof> charlie-tca, No more log entries
[18:03] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:03] <charlie-tca> huh?
[18:03] <adarof> maybe .bashrc is the wrong place?
[18:04] <charlie-tca> adarof: file a bug anyway, using   ubuntu-bug xfce4-session   and attach your /var/log/syslog to it along with the ~/.xsession-errors log
[18:05] <charlie-tca> I do all my environment variable changes in .bashrc.
[18:05] <charlie-tca> maybe got to do the variable on one line and export on the next?
[18:06] <adarof> I give the .profile a try
[18:07] <adarof> Dont think it could be line related since if something interprets a bashrc file,it should speak bhasbrc ;-)
[18:07] <charlie-tca> example:  BROWSER=firefox  then   export BROWSER  makes firefox the default browser. To change my default browser, all I do is replace firefox name
[18:08] <adarof> charlie-tca, yep...
[18:08] <adarof> charlie-tca, okay using .profile does not output MORE, but at least the messages are formated in another way
[18:08] <charlie-tca> It might be we got the logs wrong, though. Unless you already had it enabled somehow.
[18:08] <charlie-tca> Do they make more sense?
[18:09] <adarof> charlie-tca, not really more information ... will pastebin them
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Okay
[18:11] <adarof> charlie-tca, http://pastebin.ca/1922790
[18:12] <adarof> pfff - my first pastebin log is indexed by google o_O
[18:13] <charlie-tca> It's a kde bug
[18:13] <charlie-tca> kdeinit4 is the culprit, I think
[18:13] <adarof> charlie-tca, hu?
[18:14] <adarof> it getskilled like all other apps
[18:14] <charlie-tca> It is not xfce's bug, It is kde not playing nice
[18:14] <Aquina> is this still alpha or beta tsting? when is RC testing - september?
[18:14] <adarof> But it also happens with keepassx, Openoffice etc, pp
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Aquina: we are only alpha3
[18:15] <charlie-tca> adarof: it is still kdeinit4 doing it
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Aquina: sept 30 for rc, testing probably about sept 26
[18:15] <adarof> charlie-tca, I will end all kde apps and pastebin the log with opened openoffice/firefox, k?
[18:16] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:16] <adarof> uh
[18:16] <adarof> sorry
[18:16] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:16] <adarof> U are right...no kde apps, no problem
[18:16] <adarof> I was sure that I verified this before
[18:16] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:17] <charlie-tca> that's okay. sometimes another set of eyes helps
[18:17] <adarof> charlie-tca, why do you think its kde's fault? Line 18?
[18:17] <Aquina> thx chalie nice to know.
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Because kdeinit is causing it
[18:17] <charlie-tca> It should not run with xfce running
[18:18] <Aquina> Yet satisfied with alpha3, Charlie? Are things running smoothly?
[18:18] <adarof> I think it is started if I start any kde app?
[18:18] <charlie-tca> I just triage the bugs,. If I got this as a bug report, reading this log tells me it is kdeinit causing the issues
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Well, it isn't playing right. KDE needs to fix it
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Aquina: alpha3 is pretty good, got a few issues, but they are not high on the serious bugs list
[18:19] <adarof> charlie-tca, where do you see this? I just dont understand -- and would like to...thats for going to the kde people :-)
[18:20] <adarof> charlie-tca, or is it my config fault that kdeinit is started?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> adarof: because it is all the kde apps failing to shutdown
[18:21] <charlie-tca> You have xfce and kde initializing, when running the xfce session. If xfce is in control, then kdeinit should listen to it
[18:21]  * charlie-tca doesn't think his reasons are sound, but the bug is in kde
[18:21] <Aquina> I like Vector image "wallpaper_draft_2" and photogaphy "tc_photo_sky_2", by the way.
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Aquina: little things, like if you open a terminal, and look at preferences, when you close preferences, it shuts down the terminal too
[18:23] <charlie-tca> Docs are very out of date still, mixer mutes on login
[18:23] <charlie-tca> Oh, and nvidia is broken with the new kernel
[18:25] <KE1HA> which kernel ?
[18:27] <Aquina> :-)
[18:32] <charlie-tca> The newest - 2.6.35.17.18
[18:32] <charlie-tca> and all the other .35 kernels, I think
[18:33] <charlie-tca> It is just the hardware drivers broken, mostly
[18:35] <charlie-tca> adarof: some of that is experience
[18:40] <slow-motion> hi
[18:41] <andyn> !hi
[18:49] <KE1HA> wow, sombody has been busy with updates. I synced XUB a day or so ago, and there's 300MB of updates
[18:51] <charlie-tca> Maverick?
[18:51] <KE1HA> yes
[18:51] <charlie-tca> Expect something close to that until we get to beta
[18:56] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  Im not sure I'll see this Kernel bug in VM, but I'm updating to the latest version first, then will test out the nVidia Restricted Drivers.
[18:56] <charlie-tca> I don't know if you will see it either. I test in VBox, but it won't use hardware drivers.
[19:19] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  I have another workstation not doing allot at the moment, may set that up specifically for kernel / driver testing.
[19:20] <charlie-tca> It is okay. There are many Ubuntu users also running maverick. Kernel and driver issues usually affect all of us
[19:21] <charlie-tca> In fact, I don't have the failure. But many do have it.
[19:22] <KE1HA> My thing is, with nVdia, I picked mainstream Cards (Mostly EVGA and BFG), and it seems to be the odd card MFG's that have allot of issues.
[19:22] <KE1HA> and ATI, oh boy, that's a handfull too.
[19:23] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:23] <charlie-tca> this go around, ATI is working, but nvidia is having issues
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Last release, it was ATI broken for most of the testing
[19:25] <KE1HA> does the lastest kernel have dkms enabled by default?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> as far as I know
[19:30] <KE1HA> Im just install QT and SDL at the moment.
[19:30] <KE1HA> installing*
[19:49] <adarof> I have another issue: the keyboard switch-widget looses its configuration - sometimes/often/nearly every time I logout/login
[19:50] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  what you know about libcurl3  ?  is that a lin for curl ?
[19:50] <KE1HA> lib*
[19:50] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:50] <adarof> Configuration means Change layout option , Manage layout and sometimes even the keyboard layouts I added
[19:50] <KE1HA> tried to install curl, and it failed on the dep libcurl3
[19:51] <charlie-tca> adarof: you did get a valid test on that bug for me. Thanks
[19:51] <Belserusk> Hi. Does anyone know of more Ubuntu menus besides GnoMenu, mintmenu, gnome menu?
[19:51] <Belserusk> Sorry, wrong channel.
[19:51] <adarof> Yep - I got response :-) Glad to assist :-)
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Belserusk: yes, xfce menu
[19:51] <Sysi_> :D
[19:51] <Belserusk> charlie-tca for Ubuntu?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> What about the "menu" application, which installs debian menu
[19:52] <adarof> charlie-tca, I also commented on the other 2 gmrun-tagged bugs ... lets see if we can close those, too
[19:52] <charlie-tca> Great! Thanks very much.
[19:56] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  just FYI, libcurl3 is not a defult package in mav, so to install VBOX, gotta install it.
[19:57] <charlie-tca> hm?
[19:57] <charlie-tca> I have had vbox installed since alpha1, memory fails me... ;-)
[19:58] <KE1HA> dont know m8 was jsut tresitng the VBOX setup and it failed deps on libcurl3
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Well, that might be right, since VBox usually won't come out witht he new version until the release.
[20:00] <KE1HA> Hmm fare enough, but it's also required to install curl
[20:00] <KE1HA> anyways, no big deal.
[20:04] <adarof> Bug 5600 and 5636 seem to be related to my issue
[20:05] <adarof> and a lot of others...:-/
[20:07] <adarof> How could I help here?
[20:07] <adarof> I cant go into the source -- but logging/trying ...
[20:11] <charlie-tca> those have been fixed already. It would be better to file a new bug, with the new versions.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> When too much code changes, the bugs are no longer valid for the code
[20:20] <KE1HA> charlie-tca:  that's the tricky part, figuring out if it's old-bug renewed, or updated pkg's with a new bug
[20:21] <charlie-tca> when the numbers are in the 1000 range, file a new bug if the old one is closed
[20:22] <KE1HA> so are you testing maverick exclusively now or 10.04 as well ?
[20:28] <Aquina> bye
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I test all the versions, but I run the latest development version on my everyday system
[20:32] <KE1HA> Ok, daft question, how do I remove the Verve Command Line app from the task panel
[20:33] <Sysi_> easiest from top or bottom
[20:33] <Sysi_> or that one pixel left or right
[20:34] <KE1HA> It's on the top. I wanted to add a terminal launcher, but right-click opens the app, w/out option to add to the panel. different behavior than in gnome.
[21:04] <adarof> charlie-tca, Okay, opend a new one: http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6657
[21:05] <charlie-tca> thanks
[21:08] <LeoIII_> hi
[21:08] <LeoIII_> I need help with Xubuntu
[21:08] <LeoIII_> I was here yesterday but my internet connection went down
[21:09]  * adarof gives a basket of help to LeoIII_ 
[21:09] <charlie-tca> !help
[21:09] <likemindead> What can we do for you, LeoIII_ ?
[21:10] <LeoIII_> I need Xubuntu to recognize my mouse
[21:10] <LeoIII_> Its a serial mouse
[21:10] <LeoIII_> I now its old
[21:10] <LeoIII_> and I should buy a ps/2 mouse but i cant so i want to know if you can help me with this
[21:11] <andyn> a serial mouse.... now, i've heard tales of them but i've always considered those as legend only
[21:11] <adarof> Uh - thats long ago...
[21:11] <LeoIII_> :D
[21:11] <LeoIII_> Thats why i?ve installed Xubuntu
[21:12] <LeoIII_> Because I have a very old computer
[21:12] <charlie-tca> possibility - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[21:12] <LeoIII_> I aleady did that
[21:12] <adarof> LeoIII_, give it a try: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3839.html
[21:13] <LeoIII_> but maybe it works only for older version (it worked when I used Xubuntu 8.10)
[21:13] <adarof> LeoIII_, instead of Step 9 try "sudo restart gdm"
[21:14] <LeoIII_> But when I try to open the xorg file (I know it´s case sensitive) it tells me that that file doesnt exist
[21:15] <LeoIII_> i created the file and wrote what i should wrote but it doesnt work
[21:16] <LeoIII_> Ok, I'll give it a try, I'll come back in.... 10 minutes
[21:16] <charlie-tca> You wrote it using sudo or gksudo /
[21:16] <charlie-tca> right/
[21:16] <LeoIII_> yes
[21:16] <LeoIII_> ok
[21:16] <LeoIII_> c ya
[21:23] <charlie-tca> Well, enough for today. See you later!
[21:24] <adarof> thanks
[21:37] <LeoIII_> Hi again
[21:38] <LeoIII_> It didn't work
[21:39] <LeoIII_> It says 'xserver-xfree86' is not installed
[21:39] <LeoIII_> or something like that
[21:40] <LeoIII_> Hello?
[21:41] <LeoIII_> is anybody here?
[21:42] <knome> !patience
[21:42] <knome> if you miss a package, then install it
[21:42] <knome> LeoIII_, sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[21:43] <knome> away ->
[21:43] <LeoIII_> I cant
[21:43] <LeoIII_> I have a problem with the internet connection too
[21:43] <LeoIII_> I wanted to solve the mouse problem first
[21:45] <adarof> LeoIII_, the missing package includes the software which you tries to configure
[21:46] <adarof> LeoIII_, you  could try to configure mousefor console - this mighthelp for short term, but if you want graphical interface you would need to configure it there, too
[21:48] <LeoIII_> Well, I'll try to configure the connection, If it works I'll write from Firefox
[21:48] <LeoIII_> c ya
[21:54] <LeoIII_> Hi
[21:54] <LeoIII_> I'm now using Xubuntu :D
[21:54] <LeoIII_> yay!
[21:54] <LeoIII_> :D
[21:55] <LeoIII_> Now if you could tell me what I should do (with the apt-get thing)
[21:56] <LeoIII_> I now I gotta be patient -_-
[21:57] <adarof> sudo apt-get install xserver-xfree86 -- like knome mentioned
[21:57] <LeoIII_> thanks
[21:59] <LeoIII_> "the xserver-xfree86 is not available but the next package are available xserver-xorg-core
[21:59] <LeoIII_> (I speak spanish)
[22:00] <adarof> feel free to install it
[22:00] <LeoIII_> xserver-xorg-core?
[22:00] <adarof> yeah
[22:01] <LeoIII_> Ok
[22:01] <LeoIII_> I'm upgraidng the main packages
[22:01] <LeoIII_> (safe-upgrade thing, sorry I'm a newbie
[22:04] <LeoIII_> wow, "I need to download  182 MB"
[22:05] <LeoIII_> "after unpacking I wil use 197 MB, continue?"
[22:05] <LeoIII_> :O
[22:06] <LeoIII_> 42 minutes left
[22:09] <adarof> enough for now - bye
[22:09] <LeoIII_> Am i doing something worng? why is it downloading a gnome upgrade?
[22:09] <LeoIII_> bye -_-
[22:14] <LeoIII_> ...
[22:20] <LeoIII_> hey
[22:26] <LeoIII_> hey
[22:39] <LeoIII_> HEY
[23:24] <slow-motion> n8
[23:39] <Salt> I have a really old computer. Previously it ran Windows XP. The sound originally worked, but then it didn't, I forget what happened (It's a VIA 8235 sound card, I think). Later I installed Xubuntu, which I'm using now; I think that the problem had something to do with the sound card drivers, so I looked for the driver, but the VIA website doesn't have the driver for Linux, apparently, and the next most promising thing I found, ALSA, s
[23:39] <Salt> Is there an easier way to install the driver for my sound card?