[08:21]  * apachelogger thinks kdevelop got too many sidebars
[10:06]  * apachelogger loves unknown entries in cachegrind logs -.-
[11:13] <apachelogger> hm
[11:14]  * apachelogger is wondering why rekonq does not have text alongside icons
[11:14]  * apachelogger actually knows why, because it is crap, he rather wonders why no one complained about it
[11:15] <Quintasan> :<
[11:15] <Quintasan> what was about that Polish blog?
[11:16] <Quintasan> I can remember Riddell asking about it but I can't remember answering >_<
[11:16] <apachelogger> launchpad timeout \o/
[11:16] <Quintasan> Isn't that normal?
[11:16] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you did answer
[11:17] <Quintasan> Oh, good
[11:17]  * apachelogger is worrid that Quintasan does not remember that
[11:18] <Quintasan> the underlaying cause might be in something I did yesterday but I will keep diplomatic silence about that
[11:18] <apachelogger> wise choice :P
[11:18] <apachelogger> not everyone needs to know about us
[11:19] <apachelogger> oh, I didn't say that in a query :/
[11:19] <apachelogger> anyone tried kdepim b2?
[11:32] <apachelogger> amichair: pingy
[11:32] <amichair> apachelogger: pongo
[11:33] <apachelogger> s/n//
[11:33] <apachelogger> pogo++
[11:33] <amichair> pigy?
[11:33] <apachelogger> s/g/gg/
[11:33] <apachelogger> piggy++
[11:34] <amichair> apachelogggger?
[11:34] <apachelogger> amichair: did you ever look into policykityifying software-properties?
[11:34] <amichair> not in depth
[11:34]  * apachelogger imagines we could build a worker with dbus interfaces like libqapt has ... then just call foo of the worker when save() is called
[11:37] <apachelogger> supposedly we could still use the same backends, just that writing new settings is carried out via dbus rather than internally
[11:38] <apachelogger> uhh
[11:38] <apachelogger> http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/images/eric4-screen-01.png
[11:38] <apachelogger> this ui is probably even more scary than kdevelop
[11:38]  * apachelogger hides in the vim help
[11:39] <amichair> hehe... it's just a couple spare icons
[11:39] <jussi> a couple? :D
[11:39] <amichair> or maybe a puzzle game built in. who knows?
[11:39] <apachelogger> so I started it
[11:39] <apachelogger> and it opens 4 windows
[11:39] <apachelogger> \o/
[11:39] <apachelogger> I clearly underestimated the UX fail here
[11:40] <apachelogger> The update to 4.4.7 of eric4 is availablePlease ask the Debian maintainer to upgrade the package. 
[11:40] <apachelogger> terrific
[11:40] <apachelogger> not only is there a typo, it is also close to useless
[11:40] <apachelogger> another dialog telling me that eric4 was not yet configured s it is thoughtfully opening the config dialog now
[11:40] <amichair> apachelogger: need a tissue? I thought you alergic to python stuff...
[11:41] <apachelogger> now I have that nice config dialog
[11:41] <apachelogger> which is possibly more horrible than vlc's
[11:41] <apachelogger> eric4 wurde noch nicht konfiguruert. Der Konfigurationsdialog wird nun gestartet.
[11:42] <apachelogger> and finally I have a warning about the first dialog
[11:42] <apachelogger> going QString::arg: Argument missing: ...
[11:43] <apachelogger> by default the toolbars do not look like in the first screenshot btw
[11:43] <apachelogger> they are much better
[11:43] <apachelogger> each logical part got its own toolbar
[11:43] <apachelogger> now since by default toolbars draw seperators
[11:43] <apachelogger> ...
[11:43] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:44] <apachelogger> http://imgur.com/mSVOF the cosy nice conifg dialog
[11:44] <apachelogger> http://imgur.com/b68SB checkout the toolbar
[11:44] <amichair> ouch, wouldn't want to get cozy with him
[11:46] <apachelogger> so I tried importing software-properties
[11:46] <apachelogger> "importing"
[11:46] <apachelogger> I did not find a proper import function so I created a new project where I defined an existing main file
[11:46] <apachelogger> and now
[11:46] <apachelogger> it is busy
[11:46] <apachelogger> I mean
[11:46] <apachelogger> blocked busy
[11:46] <apachelogger> the kind where Qt does not get to draw the UI anymore
[11:47] <apachelogger> apparently importing software-properties was a very bad idea since eric is now dead
[11:47] <apachelogger> well
[11:47] <apachelogger> that did go well 
[11:47]  * apachelogger kills and purges eric and uses editors again
[11:49] <apachelogger> oh :O
[11:49] <apachelogger> amichair: software-properties has apply-on-the-fly?
[11:50] <amichair> I believe so
[11:50] <apachelogger> scary
[11:51] <apachelogger> anyhow python-encoding
[11:51] <apachelogger> what is python-encoding ... why do I need it ... why does kate complain about it not being available ... where is it?
[11:56] <apachelogger> kde rev 1144407
[11:57] <apachelogger> not good
[11:59] <apachelogger> ah
[11:59] <apachelogger> fixed for 4.5.1.
[12:10] <ari-tczew> hey kde developers, konversation notification is not working :( only by indicator applet
[12:28] <CIA-71> [workspace] sitter * 1167040 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdebase/workspace/systemsettings/app/SettingsBase.cpp Fix bad copy and paste of r1166775 where I lost parentCategory while introducing parentCategory2.
[13:17] <apachelogger> hmmm
[13:18] <apachelogger> amichair: I think doing a dbus interface ought to be relatively easy
[13:19]  * apachelogger starts implementing a SoftwarePropertiesDBus class
[13:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ssup
[13:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: from the rekonq guy who  watches all our strings : http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/po/rekonq.po/
[13:24] <shadeslayer> sheytan: sweet
[13:24] <shadeslayer> oh wait.. you did reply to pano :P
[13:26] <amichair> apachelogger: I'm actually not all that familiar with either dbus or polkit... but I'm sure you've got it covered :-)
[13:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bug 622364 updated
[13:53] <apachelogger> amichair: I only got knowledge of dbus :P
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it looks like bug 622506 is trying to install koffice-kde4 backports from intrepid on a lucid machine :s
[13:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, but I want to be sure
[13:58] <apachelogger> maybe some weird upgrade foo is going on
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you have a bug for me?
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> hmm, yeah
[13:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on what?
[13:58]  * apachelogger has loads of bugs
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> bug 614699 needs done
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/8JJkP4L1
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ah that was meant for sheytan ^^
[13:59] <shadeslayer> oic
[14:02] <apachelogger> meh
[14:02] <apachelogger> dbus in pyth0rn is the suck
[14:03] <JontheEchidna> dbus in Qt is the r0ck
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> zomg, you've offended the sabdfl
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> now we'll never get our own Kubuntu Kunicorn :(
[14:06] <apachelogger> well, it would have a pyth0rn anyway, so I rather not have one :P
[14:08] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:08] <apachelogger> hm
[14:08] <apachelogger> interface naming in SoftwareProperties is inconsistent
[14:09] <apachelogger> there is backup_apt_conf but write_config
[14:09] <apachelogger> apparently both affect the apt config file though
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoplt1544
[14:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: aha! see KUrl wasnt empty before : http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/5049/diff/4-7/#index_header
[14:36] <shadeslayer> i just have to find a way to read that value
[14:36] <shadeslayer> without using uiLocation
[14:36] <apachelogger> why would you need to do that at all?
[14:37]  * apachelogger sends cookies to JontheEchidna
[14:37] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:37] <shadeslayer> good question :P
[14:37] <apachelogger> oh lolz
[14:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: nice
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> found it a bit weirdish that the ratings painter was in Nepomuk, but oh wells
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> I'll have to make that its own sortable column sooner or later
[14:38] <apachelogger> https://twitter.com/UPS_EUROPE/status/21910282472
[14:38] <apachelogger> never rant about UPS on twitter ^^
[14:39] <JontheEchidna> THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU
[14:39] <apachelogger> interesting customer relations though
[14:39]  * apachelogger finds that very awesome
[14:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I do not think it should be columned
[14:40] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: nice
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: how would one sort though?
[14:40] <apachelogger> as I said the other day, I would paint custom delegates and just one coulm n containing thouse
[14:40] <apachelogger> than somewhere at the top have a button Sort By
[14:41] <apachelogger> that opens a dropdown
[14:41] <apachelogger> where user can select by-rating
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> this is a custom delegate, btw. Totally 100% painter'd
[14:42] <apachelogger> via one-column header he can then influence acendeing vs decending (or probably something else than the header since that also looks silly)
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> I was thinking of hiding the header if I wasn't going to use it for anything
[14:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, then, just drop the column and stuff everything into the delegate
[14:43] <apachelogger> a mixture of kpk and what software center does and you should easily be supreme to both
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> I'll admit, I did sort've steal kpk's delegate for this :P
[14:43] <apachelogger> well, it is surely a good starting point from a techinical POV ^^
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's also extendy, so I can put the "more info" and "install" buttons in the  extendy part like software-center
[14:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think if you want to compete with USC you will need to use a lot of the theming and drawing techniques available in Qt
[14:45] <apachelogger> after all USC is using web parts IIRC ^^
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> they actually scrapped the web parts in maverick
[14:45] <apachelogger> so it would only be fair to play the Qt does proper stylesheets right inside the widgets card ;)
[14:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ah, not the worst idea
[14:45]  * apachelogger imagines web parts have accessibility problems
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> and themability/consistency issues too
[14:46] <apachelogger> *nod*
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> zomg!! http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopzs1544
[14:46]  * apachelogger apparently is creating dbus connections for every function in SoftwareProperties -.-
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> the phantom app
[14:46] <apachelogger> we could make the whole KDE UI run on dbus ;)
[14:47] <amichair> apachelogger: what's the advantage of using dbus here?
[14:47] <apachelogger> in fact, maybe that would not be the worst idea for future cross-toolkit projects
[14:47] <apachelogger> amichair: none for the reading part, for the writing part however, since we can start the dbusinterface as root and have the UI talk to it via dbus
[14:48] <apachelogger> that way the UI does not have to run as root
[14:48] <apachelogger> OTOH...
[14:48] <apachelogger> if we make a compete dbus based interaction we could redo the UI in C++ ;)
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> oha, the phantom app is not a desktop menu
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> *desktop file
[14:52] <apachelogger> scary
[15:12] <apachelogger> hm
[15:12] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[15:12] <apachelogger> amichair: maybe that will not work
[15:13] <apachelogger> libpolkit-qt probably has no pyth0rn bindings
[15:13]  * apachelogger looks
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> I looked in to that once
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> I think that technically the bindings are there
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> but there was a lot of cmake magic that doesn't work with python
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> (KAuth)
[15:14] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[15:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: with kauth we need a helper, do we not?
[15:15]  * apachelogger is also wondering how that would work with python
[15:15] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> right, polkit apps need helpers that are run as root
[15:15] <apachelogger> python is made out of headache
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> though presumably you could use the regular policykit bindings and you'll get Qt frontend in KDE
[15:16] <apachelogger> apparently there are no regular bindings
[15:16] <apachelogger> dbus is the only way to go
[15:16] <apachelogger> unless google is lying ot me
[15:16] <apachelogger> *to
[15:17] <apachelogger> we could also write a library to stack ontop of the software properties base classes
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> aptdaemon uses policykit bindings: http://pastebin.com/B57KSkzg
[15:17] <apachelogger> or just rewrite sp altogether :P
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> import policykit1
[15:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: look http://lastfm.dontdrinkandroot.net/
[15:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is it just me or is python code always ugly? :P
[15:18] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whut is it?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have a look
[15:18]  * apachelogger gets grumpy
[15:19]  * shadeslayer gives unicorn to apachelogger
[15:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am not lastfming anymoar
[15:20] <apachelogger> lastfm plugin of amarok is too fat
[15:20] <shadeslayer> whai!
[15:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:20] <shadeslayer> use clementine then :P
[15:20] <shadeslayer> clementine is the win
[15:21] <apachelogger> clementine depends on gstreamer
[15:21] <apachelogger> that is fail
[15:21] <shadeslayer> whut no
[15:21]  * shadeslayer runs to dpkg
[15:21] <shadeslayer> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[15:22] <shadeslayer> i shall reformat my system to get that buggy stuff out
[15:22] <shadeslayer> back to amarok it is
[15:23] <apachelogger> !find policykit1.py
[15:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ^
[15:23] <apachelogger> told ya :P
[15:23] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:23] <apachelogger> mvo that sneaky robot wrote a wrapper around it
[15:24] <apachelogger> ah it was glatzor
[15:26] <ulysses> Kopete forgets the accounts, and won't open if I click on the message indicator
[15:27] <shadeslayer> ulysses: yeah i see that too :(
[15:27] <KukuNut> amarok 2.3.2 beta in maverick? 5days ago?
[15:27] <shadeslayer> KukuNut: its in ppa
[15:27] <KukuNut> which one?
[15:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe I could steal it for sp
[15:27] <apachelogger> but I wonder if it is worth all that crap :P
[15:28] <apachelogger> a rewrite would be so much better *hint*hint*
[15:28] <apachelogger> only some 4k sloc, that is like 2.5k in Qt ;)
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:32] <KukuNut> shadeslayer: those are lucid..looking for the maverick
[15:32] <shadeslayer> KukuNut: same thing for mav
[15:32] <shadeslayer> seems amarok didnt survuve a FFe
[15:32] <shadeslayer> or it wasnt filed
[15:33] <KukuNut> shadeslayer: ok..ty
[15:39] <apachelogger> holy french fries
[15:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that python dbus stuff in combination with polkit is super gross
[15:40]  * apachelogger now feels unwilling to do that 
[15:59] <apachelogger> amichair: if you feel like fiddeling with policykit in pyth0rn, I have a dbus interface for sp ready...
[16:00] <amichair> apachelogger: unfortunately, I don't have too much free time these days :-(
[16:00] <apachelogger> amichair: well, should you ever ... ;)
[16:01] <apachelogger> before I have rewritten it in cpp or ruby :P
[16:01] <amichair> apachelogger: but thanks :-)
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopmo1544
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> it's all extendy
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> <3
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> akonaditray has artificially high popcon stats :P
[16:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: your use of informal strings is worse than apachelogger's :)
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> :)
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> at the least, they have proper accelerators :P
[16:26] <apachelogger> lol
[16:26] <apachelogger> love it
[16:53] <txwikinger> Does anything in KDE uses the virtuoso database server?
[16:54] <Riddell> yes
[16:54] <txwikinger> Ah.. then maybe I should not kill it :D
[16:55] <txwikinger> Interestingly apt-rdepends did not show me any dependencies
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache rdepends virtuoso-minimal
[17:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you do the bluedevil MIRs?
[17:14] <shadeslayer> yeah.. i posted them linkies to you
[17:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: rekonq uploaded by the way
[17:14] <shadeslayer> bug 622243 and 622245
[17:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o/
[17:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how about the bluedevil FFe?
[17:14]  * shadeslayer points above 
[17:14] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:14] <shadeslayer> FFe
[17:14] <shadeslayer> sure why not
[17:14] <Riddell> a while different bug needed :)
[17:15] <Riddell> point out that upstream requests it
[17:15] <shadeslayer> just bluedevil?
[17:15] <shadeslayer> or libbluedevil as well?
[17:15] <Riddell> yes, one bug can count for both for this one
[17:16] <shadeslayer> alright then
[17:16]  * shadeslayer gets his tools and starts hacking
[17:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell:   * Change arch from linux-any to any since Soyuz is behind the times << do i change it back to linux-any ?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> im not sure what linux-any does
[17:24] <Riddell> it's a debian-ism to stop it compiling on hurd or kfreebsd or whatever
[17:24] <shadeslayer> also theres no tagged rc3 for libbluedevil
[17:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are you packaging a new release?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: err... bluedevil
[17:25] <shadeslayer> so that someone else doesnt have to do it :P
[17:26] <Riddell> but is there a new upstream release?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.afiestas.org/bluedevil-1-0rc3-released/ << just bluedevil i think
[17:27] <shadeslayer> theres a 1.7 tag
[17:28] <Riddell> 1.7 tag?
[17:28] <Riddell> it says git checkout v1.0-rc3
[17:28] <Riddell> anyway, great, get that packaged, then file the FFe, then we can put it on the CD
[17:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 1.7 tag for libbluedevil :)
[17:28] <shadeslayer> so just bluedevil i guess
[17:28] <Riddell> yeah
[17:29] <shadeslayer> and what about linux-any ?
[17:29] <shadeslayer> do i revert back to linux-any or keep it
[17:30] <Riddell> keep the change
[17:30] <Riddell> dunno if soyuz supports it yet
[17:30] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:39] <JontheEchidna> haha http://failblog.org/2010/08/20/epic-fail-photos-sign-win-4/
[17:46] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:46] <shadeslayer> need some help with this cmake magic :P
[17:47] <shadeslayer> install(TARGETS bluedevilaudioactionplugin DESTINATION ${PLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR}) << new bluedevil sourc has this in src/audio/CMakeLists.txt
[17:47] <shadeslayer> and one of our patch does : +install(TARGETS bluedevilaction DESTINATION ${LIB_INSTALL_DIR}/bluedevil)
[17:47] <shadeslayer> wait no
[17:50] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/wyx0b0sR : patch ( see the actionplugins/CMakeLists.txt part ) and the current file http://pastebin.com/pkvqW7QT
[17:51] <shadeslayer> im a fool.
[17:52] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel: Unfortunately I'm forced to go to France for some sort of a wedding and I will not be around tomorrow to 4th in the worst case scenario, I think I will be available via email and jabber sometimes
[17:53] <Quintasan> from tomorrow*
[17:53] <shadeslayer> ouch :(
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we shall keep the neon lights on
[17:53] <shadeslayer> otoh.. have fun in france :)
[17:53] <Quintasan> haha
[17:53] <Quintasan> fun on a wedding?
[17:53] <Quintasan> bah
[17:54] <Quintasan> I'm going to take a skateboard with me to avoid "OMG HOW BIG HAVE YOU GROWN"
[17:54] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[17:54] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i always get that :P
[17:54] <Quintasan> Sure it's nice in a while but not constantly from over 100 people at once :S
[17:54] <shadeslayer> i just go to weddings to hit on girls :P
[17:55]  * Quintasan hopes there will be some good one
[17:55] <Quintasan> ones*
[17:55] <shadeslayer> thats why i said... have fun 
[17:56] <Quintasan> Dohohoho, I will do my best, I have only two options.
[17:59]  * shadeslayer goes omgwth
[18:00] <shadeslayer> aha!
[18:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i just did : quilt poop -av :P
[18:02] <Quintasan> ...
[18:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: now your source got all dirty
[18:02] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:04] <rbelem> hey apachelogger, Riddell 
[18:20] <rbelem> apachelogger, Riddell, I just filed a bug for that patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/622871
[18:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bug 622880 
[18:37] <shadeslayer> will upload packages as soon as it finishes building here
[18:39] <shadeslayer> ( and im still following the -XbuildY-  versioning )
[18:45] <shadeslayer> and bluedevil uploaded 
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Riddell asked me to file a FFe :P
[18:59] <shadeslayer> and bluedevil builds fine in cowbuilder btw
[19:00] <maco> shadeslayer: the Doctor only goes to weddings for the dancing
[19:00] <shadeslayer> why do you drag the doctor into this :P
[19:02] <shadeslayer> maco: ^
[19:02] <ulysses> something old, something new, something old
[19:03] <ulysses> s/old/blue/
[19:03] <maco> ulysses: you forgot borrowed
[19:04] <ulysses> oh, that's important!
[19:04] <ulysses> Geronimooooooo
[19:05] <sheytan> Hey guys. Anyone knows if ofirk showed up here today? ;)
[19:08] <maco> he /quit 23 hours ago
[19:12] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hes on gtalk
[19:12] <shadeslayer> hes always on gtalk actually :P
[19:13] <sheytan> shadeslayer, well, if he isn't here he might be busy ;)
[19:14] <shadeslayer> yeah :0
[19:14] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:15] <shadeslayer> so much work and im sleepy
[19:15] <shadeslayer> time for Coffee
[19:19] <shadeslayer> sheytan: ^
[19:19] <sheytan> shadeslayer, yep :D
[19:19] <shadeslayer> your wish was fulfilled :p
[19:20] <sheytan> the gods of free software are listening :D
[19:20] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[19:32] <Riddell> hi rbelem, thanks, I'll get to that in a bit
[19:33] <rbelem> Riddell, cool :-)
[19:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bluedevil FFe approved and moved into main, new version uploaded, your version number was wrong should be -0ubuntu1 not -0build1
[19:37] <Riddell> thanks for doing that
[19:38] <shadeslayer> i was in 2 minds about the version, but went with -0build1 ....
[19:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: always use -0ubuntu1 for ubuntu packages
[19:42] <Riddell> -Xbuild1 is when it's from debian but we need to rebuild for some reason but there are no changes compared to debian
[19:42] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:00] <sheytan> Hey guys
[20:00] <sheytan> we need feedback
[20:00] <ofirk> hi :)
[20:01] <Riddell> hi sheytan 
[20:01] <sheytan> http://a.imageshack.us/img820/8484/kubuntu1.jpg this one
[20:01] <sheytan> http://a.imageshack.us/img375/8484/kubuntu1.jpg
[20:01] <sheytan> this one
[20:01] <sheytan> http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8484/kubuntu1.jpg
[20:01] <sheytan> or this one ;D
[20:01] <ofirk> there are only ideas, not real and final design :)
[20:01] <sheytan> yep ;)
[20:02] <sheytan> the thing is, to leave the bread crumb only on 'home >> kubuntu' and make the current visiting page with blue text, or add the current visiting [page to the bread crumb
[20:02] <Riddell> second one at a quick preference
[20:03] <sheytan> anyone else? :D
[20:14] <shadeslayer> second one from me as well
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i might as well apply for kubuntu-dev along side you i think :P
[20:32] <shadeslayer> i miss lex79 tho
[20:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does http://www.bbc.co.uk/ work for you in rekonq?
[20:44]  * shadeslayer does looky
[20:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what doesnt work specifically ?
[20:44] <Riddell> it doesn't load
[20:44] <Riddell> nothing appears
[20:45] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:45] <shadeslayer> well works for
[20:45] <shadeslayer> +me
[20:45] <Riddell> ok
[20:45] <shadeslayer> try disabling adblock
[20:45] <Riddell> maybe they just realised I haven't paid my licence fee :)
[20:45] <shadeslayer> there were some adblock fixes in git
[20:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh that fixed it
[20:45] <shadeslayer> and they havent made their way into 0.5.80
[20:45] <shadeslayer> yeah
[20:45] <shadeslayer> fixed in git ;)
[20:46] <Riddell> great
[20:46] <Riddell> I can continue not to pay my TV licence fee :)
[20:47] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[20:47] <shadeslayer> do you like the smooth scroll stuff? :D
[20:48] <Riddell> what's that?
[20:48] <shadeslayer> open a page > scroll
[20:48] <shadeslayer> the scroll isnt jerky... its smoothed out
[20:48] <shadeslayer> ( i think this is a feature in konqueror as well )
[20:49] <Riddell> I don't notice anything especially smooth
[20:50] <shadeslayer> 0.5.80 right?
[20:53] <Riddell> yes
[20:53] <Riddell> I seem to have gained some default bookmarks
[20:57] <shadeslayer> uh oh
[20:57] <shadeslayer> that isnt good is it now
[20:57] <shadeslayer> theres a patch to fix that, i have no idea how you still have those bookmarks
[20:57] <shadeslayer> also, id suggest your remove your rekonqrc and .kde/share/apps/rekonq folder
[20:58] <shadeslayer> theres a bit of a GUI issue with the old and new config files since we moved to new XMLGUI 
[20:59]  * shadeslayer just reviewed the logs of lex's kubuntu-dev application + grilling 
[20:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea where lex has wandered off too ? :P
[21:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dunno, I've not heard from him
[21:00] <shadeslayer> me neither :(
[21:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: want to send him an e-mail?
[21:01] <shadeslayer> sure thing, lets find out
[21:04] <shadeslayer> sent him a short email... lets see what happens
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> Last I heard lex was on vacation
[21:26] <shadeslayer> yeah.. but that was a looong time ago
[21:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bazinga! bug 622984
[21:31] <shadeslayer> thanks to a pretty good hack by tumbleweed :P
[21:44] <shadeslayer> oho!
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seen this http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/08/23/11-04-ubuntu-developer-summit-announced/
[21:45] <shadeslayer> http://uds.ubuntu.com/ << isnt that JTE and nixternal in the first slide?
[21:45] <shadeslayer> kubuntu sticker++
[21:46] <Riddell> nope, it's shtylman and rgreening
[21:46] <Riddell> but they look similar to jon and nixternal :)
[21:47] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[21:47] <shadeslayer> ah yes.. now i see...its rgreening on the right :P
[21:47] <shadeslayer> anyways.. we made first slide :P
[21:50] <shadeslayer> kde svn-- :?
[21:50] <shadeslayer> :/
[22:03] <Riddell> seele thinks we're all going to get swept up in a hurricane at UDS
[22:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: going to apply?
[22:03] <shadeslayer> hehe
[22:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: already did
[22:03] <maco> Riddell: yes she told me that
[22:04] <shadeslayer> i applied the day summit.ubuntu.com said somthing about a N release :P
[22:04] <maco> at the party, she asked where its going to be and i said orlando and she goes "IN OCTOBER? this is why you cant have europeans planning things in the US!"
[22:04] <shadeslayer> heheh
[22:04] <Riddell> maco: 4.5 release party?
[22:05] <dantti_work> :D kpk with debconf works perfectly now :D
[22:05] <maco> apparently someone once tried to schedule a kde thing for thanksgiving weekend, which had seele explaining that flights would be $2000 and delayed and huge lines in airports and all the americans would have angry parents
[22:05] <maco> Riddell: yes
[22:05] <Riddell> dantti_work: ooh, just in time for beta freeze on thursday?
[22:05] <Riddell> maco: to be fair, who would expect harvest thanksgiving in November?!
[22:06] <dantti_work> Riddell: well I think yes, I'll try to do some minor fixes and you can grab it again from svn, then I'll finally send an email to the translators
[22:06] <Riddell> debfx, Quintasan, apachelogger: going to apply for some new blood at UDS? http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/08/23/11-04-ubuntu-developer-summit-announced/
[22:07] <Riddell> dantti_work: lovelyness
[22:07] <maco> Riddell: maybe you're far enough north that winter starts in mid-november, but most of the US doesnt get winter til january
[22:07] <Riddell> maco: umm, january is the last month of winter, what kind of crazy country are you in?
[22:07] <maco> Riddell: last month? erk? first day of winter is 21 dec
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: although i wish that UDS gets postponed by one week :P
[22:08] <shadeslayer> first week of november would have been sweet
[22:08] <maco> it snows in january and february here fairly often, and december has like 2 snows surrounded by 20C weather
[22:08] <shadeslayer> or first 2 weeks of october would have been insanely awesome
[22:09] <maco> wait hang on...
[22:09] <maco> Riddell: its warmer here in december than it is there in august sometimes!  O_O
[22:09] <shadeslayer> i have the holidays during first 2 weeks of October due to Common Wealth Games :P
[22:10] <nigelb> shadeslayer: which may or may not happen at all!
[22:10] <shadeslayer> nigelb: but ill still get the holidays ;)
[22:10] <shadeslayer> owing to the fact that im going to college every saturday
[22:11] <shadeslayer> if they dont give us those holidays, we will probably have a strike and force them to give us those holdiays
[22:11] <nigelb> Right.  Strike for holidays.  How appropriate.
[22:11] <shadeslayer> weve had like one strike.. and due to that we got 2 weeks off :P
[22:11]  * nigelb lols @ "what kind of crazy country are you in" :p
[22:12] <nigelb> hrm, perhaps I should sleep.  Its close to 3am and I should be awake at 6.
[22:12] <shadeslayer> and that was because 20 students were suspended because they stole the tubelight starters because they didnt want to study
[22:12] <nigelb> \o/
[22:12] <nigelb> that is crazy
[22:12] <shadeslayer> nigelb: all of them had contacts in political parties + new channels
[22:12] <nigelb> you should just break the tubes instead of stealing the starters :p
[22:12] <shadeslayer> and you can guess which department they belonged too
[22:13] <shadeslayer> nigelb: lol]
[22:13] <nigelb> (that makes them out for more time, just FYI)
[22:13] <nigelb> shadeslayer: mech?
[22:13] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[22:13] <nigelb> Always the mechs ;)
[22:13] <shadeslayer> so true ^_^
[22:13] <nigelb> Any random engineering college, wanna find the trouble instigators, looks for the people in mech.
[22:14]  * shadeslayer had too much of coffee... will stay awake all night looking at KIconLoader APU
[22:14] <shadeslayer> *API
[22:14] <nigelb> ok, since I dont have a stash of caffine, I'm going to hit the bed.
[22:14] <shadeslayer> nigelb: i accidentally poured 4 spoons of coffee 
[22:15] <shadeslayer> into my milk....
[22:15] <nigelb> ew
[22:15] <nigelb> that must've ended up being bitter.
[22:15] <shadeslayer> nigelb: nah.. i always put extra sugar to compensate :P
[22:15] <Riddell> rbelem: patch in bzr, presumably you'll need a way to run startkde with that mobile argument?
[22:15] <shadeslayer> and i like my coffee on the bitter side
[22:16]  * nigelb likes tea better.
[22:16] <shadeslayer> anyways.. after 10 mins i was high on caffeine 
[22:16] <neversfelde> yay, good day
[22:16] <shadeslayer> nigelb: its 3 AM here :P
[22:17] <neversfelde> kdo got sponsorship by Hetzner
[22:17] <neversfelde> and
[22:17] <nigelb> shadeslayer: you forget that we're int he same country?
[22:17]  * neversfelde isn't unemployed anymore 
[22:17] <shadeslayer> oh 
[22:17] <shadeslayer> wait
[22:17] <shadeslayer> nigelb: bad tab complete :/
[22:17] <shadeslayer> was addressed to neversfelde :P
[22:17] <nigelb> ok, thats a first
[22:18] <nigelb> shadeslayer: go sleep :p
[22:18] <shadeslayer> cant :(
[22:18] <Riddell> neversfelde: what's kdo?  what's Hetzner?  what's the job?
[22:18] <shadeslayer> toe+caffeine kick 
[22:18] <neversfelde> Riddell: kdo is kubuntu-de.org and Hetzner is a big provider from germany and they support us for 1 year with a server
[22:19] <Riddell> cool
[22:19] <neversfelde> and the job is in the alps :)
[22:22] <Riddell> ooh, good for canoeing :)
[22:23] <neversfelde> Riddell: Inn and Mangfall :)
[22:23] <neversfelde> you're welcome
[22:23] <neversfelde> so if I ever get a flat till next wednesday :/
[22:25] <Riddell> neversfelde: hopefully you can still come to UDS? http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/08/23/11-04-ubuntu-developer-summit-announced/
[22:25] <ryanakca> ScottK: Let me know then you have more kolab stuff
[22:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: 3.5 packages still to do for kolab no?
[22:25] <neversfelde> Riddell: I am afraid no holidays for another six month :(
[22:25] <Riddell> fooey
[22:26] <Riddell> neversfelde: still have internet access for Kubuntu time?
[22:27] <neversfelde> Riddell: I hope so, I will only have a netbook available, but you gave me access to your server
[22:28] <ryanakca> Riddell: Not sure. I was referring to kolabd / dovecot + kolabd. What needs doing for 3.5 packages? I finish work Friday and will have next week off before starting Uni, I can add it to my TODO list for then if you want...
[22:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: kolabsys have packages for KDE PIM from KDE 3.5 which is the PIM version recommended to enterprise users of Kolab still (and presumably users of other starfleet vessels too)
[22:31] <Riddell> it would be nice to have them reviewed and put into universe
[22:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK
[22:32] <Riddell> review Kubuntu meeting logs to get the location I think
[22:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: Will do
[22:40] <neversfelde> I upgraded a machine of a friend of mine to LTS, we still have serious Akonadi problems
[22:46] <Riddell> what happened neversfelde?
[22:47] <rbelem> cool! thanks Riddell :-)
[22:47] <shadeslayer> heh.. ubuntu pastebin got a overhall ^_^
[22:47] <neversfelde> Riddell: ?
[22:47] <rbelem> rbelem, in the xsession desktop file
[22:48]  * rbelem kicks rbelem 
[22:48] <rbelem> Riddell, ^
[22:49] <neversfelde> Riddell: I did not test your server for packaging, but looks good. So I will still be availabe. In Germany it unfortunatly lasts a few weeks to get yor connection back, so I will be a little bit restricted 
[22:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll apply, however I think I will be queued until I'm 18 :)
[22:56] <Riddell> neversfelde: that computer has been reinstalled since so I'll need to recreate your account, just say when you need it
[22:56] <debfx> shadeslayer: rekonq looks weird when the bookmarks toolbar is enabled: http://imagebin.ca/view/sAudgW.html
[22:56] <debfx> especially when you don't have bookmarks
[22:57] <shadeslayer> debfx: new config files
[22:57] <neversfelde> Riddell: k, I will be off for a few days, but back mid sep, I'll ask you if I need it
[22:57] <shadeslayer> delete your .kde/apps/rekonq folder
[22:57] <neversfelde> Riddell: thanks
[22:57] <shadeslayer> and .kde/share/config/rekonqrc file
[22:58] <debfx> do I have to delete my config files on every updated? :O
[22:58] <shadeslayer> no
[22:58] <shadeslayer> debfx: see we switched to XMLGUI
[22:58] <shadeslayer> and that is incompatible with older config files 
[22:59] <debfx> well, then convert my configs :p
[22:59] <shadeslayer> idk how to :P
[22:59] <shadeslayer> ill put in a word with adjam :)
[23:02] <debfx> clearing MainWindow.State in rekonqrc should work
[23:02]  * shadeslayer notes that in TODO list
[23:04] <debfx> shadeslayer: thanks
[23:04] <shadeslayer> debfx: if i forget remind me till i fix it :P
[23:06] <dantti_work> Riddell: I added a fix into debconf-kde to work better with KPK (so repackaging it is good), I'm going home now and at home I'll try to fix a few things with kpk and it will be ok to be packaged for now :D
[23:07] <Riddell> great, thanks dantti_work 
[23:07] <dantti_work> yw
[23:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new patch for kdebase in kde-packager list, its a security vulnerability 
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> The libdebconf-kde packaging is ready for an MIR (symbols file and all that jazz) but I haven't gotten around to doing it yet...
[23:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ssh
[23:32] <Riddell> bluedevil in main and on the CD
[23:47] <ScottK> ryanakca: WIll do.  THanks.
[23:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: is kmymoney sync good to go?