=== _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [08:21] * apachelogger thinks kdevelop got too many sidebars [10:06] * apachelogger loves unknown entries in cachegrind logs -.- === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:13] hm [11:14] * apachelogger is wondering why rekonq does not have text alongside icons [11:14] * apachelogger actually knows why, because it is crap, he rather wonders why no one complained about it [11:15] :< [11:15] what was about that Polish blog? [11:16] I can remember Riddell asking about it but I can't remember answering >_< [11:16] launchpad timeout \o/ [11:16] Isn't that normal? [11:16] Quintasan: you did answer [11:17] Oh, good [11:17] * apachelogger is worrid that Quintasan does not remember that [11:18] the underlaying cause might be in something I did yesterday but I will keep diplomatic silence about that [11:18] wise choice :P [11:18] not everyone needs to know about us [11:19] oh, I didn't say that in a query :/ [11:19] anyone tried kdepim b2? [11:32] amichair: pingy [11:32] apachelogger: pongo [11:33] s/n// [11:33] pogo++ [11:33] pigy? [11:33] s/g/gg/ [11:33] piggy++ [11:34] apachelogggger? [11:34] amichair: did you ever look into policykityifying software-properties? [11:34] not in depth [11:34] * apachelogger imagines we could build a worker with dbus interfaces like libqapt has ... then just call foo of the worker when save() is called [11:37] supposedly we could still use the same backends, just that writing new settings is carried out via dbus rather than internally [11:38] uhh [11:38] http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/images/eric4-screen-01.png [11:38] this ui is probably even more scary than kdevelop [11:38] * apachelogger hides in the vim help [11:39] hehe... it's just a couple spare icons [11:39] a couple? :D [11:39] or maybe a puzzle game built in. who knows? [11:39] so I started it [11:39] and it opens 4 windows [11:39] \o/ [11:39] I clearly underestimated the UX fail here [11:40] The update to 4.4.7 of eric4 is availablePlease ask the Debian maintainer to upgrade the package. [11:40] terrific [11:40] not only is there a typo, it is also close to useless [11:40] another dialog telling me that eric4 was not yet configured s it is thoughtfully opening the config dialog now [11:40] apachelogger: need a tissue? I thought you alergic to python stuff... [11:41] now I have that nice config dialog [11:41] which is possibly more horrible than vlc's [11:41] eric4 wurde noch nicht konfiguruert. Der Konfigurationsdialog wird nun gestartet. [11:42] and finally I have a warning about the first dialog [11:42] going QString::arg: Argument missing: ... [11:43] by default the toolbars do not look like in the first screenshot btw [11:43] they are much better [11:43] each logical part got its own toolbar [11:43] now since by default toolbars draw seperators [11:43] ... [11:43] ^^ [11:44] http://imgur.com/mSVOF the cosy nice conifg dialog [11:44] http://imgur.com/b68SB checkout the toolbar [11:44] ouch, wouldn't want to get cozy with him [11:46] so I tried importing software-properties [11:46] "importing" [11:46] I did not find a proper import function so I created a new project where I defined an existing main file [11:46] and now [11:46] it is busy [11:46] I mean [11:46] blocked busy [11:46] the kind where Qt does not get to draw the UI anymore [11:47] apparently importing software-properties was a very bad idea since eric is now dead [11:47] well [11:47] that did go well [11:47] * apachelogger kills and purges eric and uses editors again [11:49] oh :O [11:49] amichair: software-properties has apply-on-the-fly? [11:50] I believe so [11:50] scary [11:51] anyhow python-encoding [11:51] what is python-encoding ... why do I need it ... why does kate complain about it not being available ... where is it? [11:56] kde rev 1144407 [11:56] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1144407&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1144407 [11:57] not good [11:59] ah [11:59] fixed for 4.5.1. [12:10] hey kde developers, konversation notification is not working :( only by indicator applet [12:28] [workspace] sitter * 1167040 * branches/KDE/4.5/kdebase/workspace/systemsettings/app/SettingsBase.cpp Fix bad copy and paste of r1166775 where I lost parentCategory while introducing parentCategory2. [13:17] hmmm [13:18] amichair: I think doing a dbus interface ought to be relatively easy [13:19] * apachelogger starts implementing a SoftwarePropertiesDBus class [13:23] apachelogger: ssup [13:23] Riddell: from the rekonq guy who watches all our strings : http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/po/rekonq.po/ [13:24] sheytan: sweet [13:24] oh wait.. you did reply to pano :P [13:26] apachelogger: I'm actually not all that familiar with either dbus or polkit... but I'm sure you've got it covered :-) [13:31] ScottK: bug 622364 updated [13:31] Launchpad bug 622364 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "FFe: rekonq 0.5.80" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622364 [13:53] amichair: I only got knowledge of dbus :P [13:57] apachelogger: it looks like bug 622506 is trying to install koffice-kde4 backports from intrepid on a lucid machine :s [13:57] Launchpad bug 622506 in koffice2 (Ubuntu) "package koffice-data-kde4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/actions/object-order-back.png', which is also in package oxygen-icon-theme 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu2" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622506 [13:58] JontheEchidna: yeah, but I want to be sure [13:58] maybe some weird upgrade foo is going on [13:58] apachelogger: you have a bug for me? [13:58] hmm, yeah [13:58] shadeslayer: on what? [13:58] * apachelogger has loads of bugs [13:58] bug 614699 needs done [13:58] Launchpad bug 614699 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Qt 4.7.0 breaks QX11EmbedWidget" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/614699 [13:58] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/8JJkP4L1 [13:59] shadeslayer: ah that was meant for sheytan ^^ [13:59] oic [14:02] meh [14:02] dbus in pyth0rn is the suck [14:03] dbus in Qt is the r0ck [14:04] zomg, you've offended the sabdfl [14:04] now we'll never get our own Kubuntu Kunicorn :( [14:06] well, it would have a pyth0rn anyway, so I rather not have one :P [14:08] hehe [14:08] hm [14:08] interface naming in SoftwareProperties is inconsistent [14:09] there is backup_apt_conf but write_config [14:09] apparently both affect the apt config file though [14:30] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoplt1544 [14:36] apachelogger: aha! see KUrl wasnt empty before : http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/5049/diff/4-7/#index_header [14:36] i just have to find a way to read that value [14:36] without using uiLocation [14:36] why would you need to do that at all? [14:37] * apachelogger sends cookies to JontheEchidna [14:37] hmm [14:37] good question :P [14:37] oh lolz [14:37] JontheEchidna: nice [14:38] found it a bit weirdish that the ratings painter was in Nepomuk, but oh wells [14:38] I'll have to make that its own sortable column sooner or later [14:38] https://twitter.com/UPS_EUROPE/status/21910282472 [14:38] never rant about UPS on twitter ^^ [14:39] THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU [14:39] interesting customer relations though [14:39] * apachelogger finds that very awesome [14:40] JontheEchidna: I do not think it should be columned [14:40] JontheEchidna: nice [14:40] apachelogger: how would one sort though? [14:40] as I said the other day, I would paint custom delegates and just one coulm n containing thouse [14:40] than somewhere at the top have a button Sort By [14:41] that opens a dropdown [14:41] where user can select by-rating [14:41] this is a custom delegate, btw. Totally 100% painter'd [14:42] via one-column header he can then influence acendeing vs decending (or probably something else than the header since that also looks silly) [14:42] I was thinking of hiding the header if I wasn't going to use it for anything [14:42] JontheEchidna: well, then, just drop the column and stuff everything into the delegate [14:43] a mixture of kpk and what software center does and you should easily be supreme to both [14:43] I'll admit, I did sort've steal kpk's delegate for this :P [14:43] well, it is surely a good starting point from a techinical POV ^^ [14:44] yeah, it's also extendy, so I can put the "more info" and "install" buttons in the extendy part like software-center [14:44] JontheEchidna: I think if you want to compete with USC you will need to use a lot of the theming and drawing techniques available in Qt [14:45] after all USC is using web parts IIRC ^^ [14:45] they actually scrapped the web parts in maverick [14:45] so it would only be fair to play the Qt does proper stylesheets right inside the widgets card ;) [14:45] JontheEchidna: ah, not the worst idea [14:45] * apachelogger imagines web parts have accessibility problems [14:46] and themability/consistency issues too [14:46] *nod* [14:46] zomg!! http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopzs1544 [14:46] * apachelogger apparently is creating dbus connections for every function in SoftwareProperties -.- [14:46] the phantom app [14:46] we could make the whole KDE UI run on dbus ;) [14:47] apachelogger: what's the advantage of using dbus here? [14:47] in fact, maybe that would not be the worst idea for future cross-toolkit projects [14:47] amichair: none for the reading part, for the writing part however, since we can start the dbusinterface as root and have the UI talk to it via dbus [14:48] that way the UI does not have to run as root [14:48] OTOH... [14:48] if we make a compete dbus based interaction we could redo the UI in C++ ;) [14:50] oha, the phantom app is not a desktop menu [14:50] *desktop file [14:52] scary [15:12] hm [15:12] hmmmmm [15:12] amichair: maybe that will not work [15:13] libpolkit-qt probably has no pyth0rn bindings [15:13] * apachelogger looks [15:13] I looked in to that once [15:13] I think that technically the bindings are there [15:13] but there was a lot of cmake magic that doesn't work with python [15:14] (KAuth) [15:14] hmmmmm [15:14] JontheEchidna: with kauth we need a helper, do we not? [15:15] * apachelogger is also wondering how that would work with python [15:15] -.- [15:15] right, polkit apps need helpers that are run as root [15:15] python is made out of headache [15:16] though presumably you could use the regular policykit bindings and you'll get Qt frontend in KDE [15:16] apparently there are no regular bindings [15:16] dbus is the only way to go [15:16] unless google is lying ot me [15:16] *to [15:17] we could also write a library to stack ontop of the software properties base classes [15:17] aptdaemon uses policykit bindings: http://pastebin.com/B57KSkzg [15:17] or just rewrite sp altogether :P [15:17] import policykit1 [15:17] apachelogger: look http://lastfm.dontdrinkandroot.net/ [15:18] JontheEchidna: is it just me or is python code always ugly? :P [15:18] :P [15:18] shadeslayer: whut is it? [15:18] apachelogger: have a look [15:18] * apachelogger gets grumpy [15:19] * shadeslayer gives unicorn to apachelogger [15:20] shadeslayer: I am not lastfming anymoar [15:20] lastfm plugin of amarok is too fat [15:20] whai! [15:20] oh [15:20] use clementine then :P [15:20] clementine is the win [15:21] clementine depends on gstreamer [15:21] that is fail [15:21] whut no [15:21] * shadeslayer runs to dpkg [15:21] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [15:22] i shall reformat my system to get that buggy stuff out [15:22] back to amarok it is [15:23] !find policykit1.py [15:23] File policykit1.py found in python-aptdaemon [15:23] JontheEchidna: ^ [15:23] told ya :P [15:23] lol [15:23] mvo that sneaky robot wrote a wrapper around it [15:24] ah it was glatzor [15:26] Kopete forgets the accounts, and won't open if I click on the message indicator [15:27] ulysses: yeah i see that too :( [15:27] amarok 2.3.2 beta in maverick? 5days ago? [15:27] KukuNut: its in ppa [15:27] which one? [15:27] JontheEchidna: maybe I could steal it for sp [15:27] but I wonder if it is worth all that crap :P [15:28] a rewrite would be so much better *hint*hint* [15:28] only some 4k sloc, that is like 2.5k in Qt ;) [15:30] :P [15:32] shadeslayer: those are lucid..looking for the maverick [15:32] KukuNut: same thing for mav [15:32] seems amarok didnt survuve a FFe [15:32] or it wasnt filed [15:33] shadeslayer: ok..ty [15:39] holy french fries [15:40] JontheEchidna: that python dbus stuff in combination with polkit is super gross [15:40] * apachelogger now feels unwilling to do that [15:59] amichair: if you feel like fiddeling with policykit in pyth0rn, I have a dbus interface for sp ready... [16:00] apachelogger: unfortunately, I don't have too much free time these days :-( [16:00] amichair: well, should you ever ... ;) [16:01] before I have rewritten it in cpp or ruby :P [16:01] apachelogger: but thanks :-) [16:23] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktopmo1544 [16:23] it's all extendy [16:23] <3 [16:23] akonaditray has artificially high popcon stats :P [16:25] JontheEchidna: your use of informal strings is worse than apachelogger's :) [16:26] :) [16:26] at the least, they have proper accelerators :P [16:26] lol [16:26] love it [16:53] Does anything in KDE uses the virtuoso database server? [16:54] yes [16:54] Ah.. then maybe I should not kill it :D [16:55] Interestingly apt-rdepends did not show me any dependencies [16:56] apt-cache rdepends virtuoso-minimal [17:13] shadeslayer: did you do the bluedevil MIRs? [17:14] yeah.. i posted them linkies to you [17:14] shadeslayer: rekonq uploaded by the way [17:14] bug 622243 and 622245 [17:14] Launchpad bug 622243 in bluedevil (Ubuntu) "[MIR] bluedevil" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622243 [17:14] Launchpad bug 622245 in libbluedevil (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libbluedevil" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622245 [17:14] Riddell: \o/ [17:14] shadeslayer: how about the bluedevil FFe? [17:14] * shadeslayer points above [17:14] oh [17:14] FFe [17:14] sure why not [17:14] a while different bug needed :) [17:15] point out that upstream requests it [17:15] just bluedevil? [17:15] or libbluedevil as well? [17:15] yes, one bug can count for both for this one [17:16] alright then [17:16] * shadeslayer gets his tools and starts hacking [17:23] Riddell: * Change arch from linux-any to any since Soyuz is behind the times << do i change it back to linux-any ? [17:23] im not sure what linux-any does [17:24] it's a debian-ism to stop it compiling on hurd or kfreebsd or whatever [17:24] also theres no tagged rc3 for libbluedevil [17:25] shadeslayer: are you packaging a new release? [17:25] Riddell: err... bluedevil [17:25] so that someone else doesnt have to do it :P [17:26] but is there a new upstream release? [17:27] Riddell: http://www.afiestas.org/bluedevil-1-0rc3-released/ << just bluedevil i think [17:27] theres a 1.7 tag [17:28] 1.7 tag? [17:28] it says git checkout v1.0-rc3 [17:28] anyway, great, get that packaged, then file the FFe, then we can put it on the CD [17:28] Riddell: 1.7 tag for libbluedevil :) [17:28] so just bluedevil i guess [17:28] yeah [17:29] and what about linux-any ? [17:29] do i revert back to linux-any or keep it [17:30] keep the change [17:30] dunno if soyuz supports it yet [17:30] ok [17:39] haha http://failblog.org/2010/08/20/epic-fail-photos-sign-win-4/ [17:46] lol [17:46] need some help with this cmake magic :P [17:47] install(TARGETS bluedevilaudioactionplugin DESTINATION ${PLUGIN_INSTALL_DIR}) << new bluedevil sourc has this in src/audio/CMakeLists.txt [17:47] and one of our patch does : +install(TARGETS bluedevilaction DESTINATION ${LIB_INSTALL_DIR}/bluedevil) [17:47] wait no [17:50] http://pastebin.com/wyx0b0sR : patch ( see the actionplugins/CMakeLists.txt part ) and the current file http://pastebin.com/pkvqW7QT [17:51] im a fool. [17:52] shadeslayer, yofel: Unfortunately I'm forced to go to France for some sort of a wedding and I will not be around tomorrow to 4th in the worst case scenario, I think I will be available via email and jabber sometimes [17:53] from tomorrow* [17:53] ouch :( [17:53] Quintasan: we shall keep the neon lights on [17:53] otoh.. have fun in france :) [17:53] haha [17:53] fun on a wedding? [17:53] bah [17:54] I'm going to take a skateboard with me to avoid "OMG HOW BIG HAVE YOU GROWN" [17:54] hehe :P [17:54] Quintasan: i always get that :P [17:54] Sure it's nice in a while but not constantly from over 100 people at once :S [17:54] i just go to weddings to hit on girls :P [17:55] * Quintasan hopes there will be some good one [17:55] ones* [17:55] thats why i said... have fun [17:56] Dohohoho, I will do my best, I have only two options. [17:59] * shadeslayer goes omgwth [18:00] aha! [18:01] Quintasan: i just did : quilt poop -av :P [18:02] ... [18:02] shadeslayer: now your source got all dirty [18:02] haha :D [18:04] hey apachelogger, Riddell [18:20] apachelogger, Riddell, I just filed a bug for that patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/622871 [18:20] Launchpad bug 622871 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "startkde lacks support for plasma-mobile" [Undecided,New] [18:36] Riddell: bug 622880 [18:36] Launchpad bug 622880 in bluedevil (Ubuntu) "FFe: bluedevil" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622880 [18:37] will upload packages as soon as it finishes building here [18:39] ( and im still following the -XbuildY- versioning ) [18:45] and bluedevil uploaded [18:58] ScottK: Riddell asked me to file a FFe :P [18:59] and bluedevil builds fine in cowbuilder btw [19:00] shadeslayer: the Doctor only goes to weddings for the dancing [19:00] why do you drag the doctor into this :P [19:02] maco: ^ [19:02] something old, something new, something old [19:03] s/old/blue/ [19:03] ulysses: you forgot borrowed [19:04] oh, that's important! [19:04] Geronimooooooo [19:05] Hey guys. Anyone knows if ofirk showed up here today? ;) [19:08] he /quit 23 hours ago [19:12] sheytan: hes on gtalk [19:12] hes always on gtalk actually :P [19:13] shadeslayer, well, if he isn't here he might be busy ;) [19:14] yeah :0 [19:14] :) [19:15] so much work and im sleepy [19:15] time for Coffee [19:19] sheytan: ^ [19:19] shadeslayer, yep :D [19:19] your wish was fulfilled :p [19:20] the gods of free software are listening :D [19:20] hehe :P [19:32] hi rbelem, thanks, I'll get to that in a bit [19:33] Riddell, cool :-) [19:37] shadeslayer: bluedevil FFe approved and moved into main, new version uploaded, your version number was wrong should be -0ubuntu1 not -0build1 [19:37] thanks for doing that [19:38] i was in 2 minds about the version, but went with -0build1 .... [19:42] shadeslayer: always use -0ubuntu1 for ubuntu packages [19:42] -Xbuild1 is when it's from debian but we need to rebuild for some reason but there are no changes compared to debian [19:42] oh [20:00] Hey guys [20:00] we need feedback [20:00] hi :) [20:01] hi sheytan [20:01] http://a.imageshack.us/img820/8484/kubuntu1.jpg this one [20:01] http://a.imageshack.us/img375/8484/kubuntu1.jpg [20:01] this one [20:01] http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8484/kubuntu1.jpg [20:01] or this one ;D [20:01] there are only ideas, not real and final design :) [20:01] yep ;) [20:02] the thing is, to leave the bread crumb only on 'home >> kubuntu' and make the current visiting page with blue text, or add the current visiting [page to the bread crumb [20:02] second one at a quick preference [20:03] anyone else? :D [20:14] second one from me as well [20:32] Quintasan: i might as well apply for kubuntu-dev along side you i think :P [20:32] i miss lex79 tho === nuno_ is now known as slug [20:43] shadeslayer: does http://www.bbc.co.uk/ work for you in rekonq? [20:44] * shadeslayer does looky [20:44] Riddell: what doesnt work specifically ? [20:44] it doesn't load [20:44] nothing appears [20:45] oh [20:45] well works for [20:45] +me [20:45] ok [20:45] try disabling adblock [20:45] maybe they just realised I haven't paid my licence fee :) [20:45] there were some adblock fixes in git [20:45] shadeslayer: ooh that fixed it [20:45] and they havent made their way into 0.5.80 [20:45] yeah [20:45] fixed in git ;) [20:46] great [20:46] I can continue not to pay my TV licence fee :) [20:47] hehe :P [20:47] do you like the smooth scroll stuff? :D [20:48] what's that? [20:48] open a page > scroll [20:48] the scroll isnt jerky... its smoothed out [20:48] ( i think this is a feature in konqueror as well ) [20:49] I don't notice anything especially smooth [20:50] 0.5.80 right? [20:53] yes [20:53] I seem to have gained some default bookmarks [20:57] uh oh [20:57] that isnt good is it now [20:57] theres a patch to fix that, i have no idea how you still have those bookmarks [20:57] also, id suggest your remove your rekonqrc and .kde/share/apps/rekonq folder [20:58] theres a bit of a GUI issue with the old and new config files since we moved to new XMLGUI [20:59] * shadeslayer just reviewed the logs of lex's kubuntu-dev application + grilling [20:59] Riddell: any idea where lex has wandered off too ? :P [21:00] shadeslayer: dunno, I've not heard from him [21:00] me neither :( [21:01]