[00:00] ini* [00:00] NRyan115: windows dosnt matter in this case... /boot is a unix folder [00:00] and should be under your / partition [00:01] then it should be the same partition [00:01] BUT, how can I be sure that I will be able to boot back into windows after? [00:02] NRyan115: windows is able to reinstall its own boot loader from the instalation disk if somehting goes wrong [00:03] I know that, but I dont want to get into it - I was always told that grub gets auto installed and auto detects other boot options and friends who dualboot windows and linux said there should be no issues. So, after installing kubuntu and not having grub installed makes me nervous [00:05] NRyan115: :) my guess is that grub installed its self to the wrong MBR record... (the wrong hard drive) [00:05] But, it is about supper time for me, so I will wait untill after I eat to try this. So - since I do not know who will and will not be arround by then can I get those 3 links now so I can save them? [00:05] what was that fellows name? it started with a C [00:06] NRyan115: (one thing you could trybefore you do it is changing the drive boot order in the bios) [00:06] There is no drive boot order [00:06] its like youve never used raid before [00:06] after my RAID controll bios boots it is seen as one drive [00:07] NRyan115: are you using fake raid ? [00:07] so it just shows "floppy, cdrom, ftarray (raid array)" [00:07] fake raid? [00:07] its not software based [00:07] NRyan115: yes, what raid card is it [00:08] NRyan115: is it onboard on your motherboard ? [00:08] it is onboard yes. I am using RAID 5 [00:08] NRyan115: it's fake raid [00:08] software based [00:08] welcome to a world of pointless pain [00:09] Its not software based, the array is setup in the bios [00:09] it is software based [00:09] I promise you [00:09] !fakeraid [00:09] Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto [00:09] it's a terrible technology, it requires a software driver to see/use that bios [00:09] it's support in linux is poor [00:10] Okay this is annoying. i edited xorg but it still always reloads in lowest resolution FTW [00:10] I would strongly advise you either a.) don't use it b.) buy a true hardware raid controller c.) use linux software raid instead of fake raid [00:10] The raid array is already setup. I cannot use linux software raid, it will destroy my data [00:11] how did you put data on it ? [00:11] in windows? [00:11] Ive been using it for 3 years with XP dualboot Vista [00:11] ok, fake raid fail then [00:11] I want to replace XP with Kubuntu [00:12] I would very very strongly advise you to just buy a stand alone disk for ubuntu then, as fake raid is very poor in linux [00:12] I dont understand hwy you keep calling it fake raid - it is not software raid in windows or linuze it has a dedicated raid controller chip [00:12] it IS fake raid [00:13] linux* [00:13] My bios boots, thenit goes to my raid controller bios where I setup my disks in an array before it even reaches software [00:13] NRyan115: ooh dear [00:14] for the OS to see that raid array, the OS needs a software driver [00:14] it's fake raid [00:14] hi there, good evening. [00:14] and its terrible [00:14] So i was trying a bootlable usb with kubuntu 10.04.1 and the network manager doesn't show the networks. I also tried with lubuntu and ubuntu and they do, what could be the reason because of this¿ using atheros by the way [00:14] it's famous [00:14] it needs a hardware driver to communicate with the hardware controler card yes, just as my video card does, but its not a fake video card using software rendering [00:14] NRyan115: no [00:15] NRyan115: please do some more research, it's fake raid [00:15] You need a hardware driver even for an $800 RAID addon card [00:15] I have used them before [00:15] NRyan115: please do some more research [00:15] they both need drivers [00:15] it's fake raid [00:17] You are not being helpfull at all and it is becomming annoying. ... well that annoying that you arent helping, but annoying that instead of helping you just keep saying 'fake raid' over and over again in a teasing mannor instead of explaining anything at all [00:17] NRyan115: I've explained it [00:17] Your claim that a stand alone non integrated raid card would not need drivers is not true [00:17] NRyan115: it's a fake raid controller, that are famously bad in linux, I've provided you some links for help with fake raid [00:18] NRyan115: that's not what I said [00:18] How is it fake raid? your only proof is that it requires a driver [00:18] all hardware requires a driver [00:18] NRyan115: there are two levels of drivers, 1.) a driver for the interface card (in windows driver part 1 and 2 are bundled) 2.) the software driver to see / interact with the fake bios [00:18] NRyan115: let me guess you can't get your Linux machine to see the raid array ? [00:19] hi can anyone telle me how to make Java work with firefox.. it works with konqueror [00:21] No, originally I put in the install dvd, it saw my 1 raid 5 array and each of my partitions. But gave me an error durring install saying cannot create ext4 file system. So after comming here for help, I followed the suggestion of booting from the livecd first and then installing - which worked fine. It said you must restart to complete the installatin, and when I restarted it brought me to [00:21] the windows boot manager instead of grub. So now I have kubuntu installed but cannot load it [00:21] because it's a fake device that the OS isn't aware of [00:21] the install and live cd saw it fine [00:22] because they have software loaded with the reverse engineered windows drivers [00:22] the support is very poor - but it is there [00:22] (it's mentioned in the URL's I posted earlier) [00:23] even if you are right, then for what possible reason AT ALL would they be including durring setup and durring live boot and not after installation? [00:23] that doesnt evne make sence - its like putting candy in the display for a dentist office window [00:23] NRyan115: because liveboot - your not booting from the fake device, you load a kernrel which loads the fake device [00:23] NRyan115: grub is dumb - it doesn't have the capability to load kenrel modules to support fake devices [00:24] NRyan115: if it was a real raid device it would be presented to grub as a disk without the need for software, and it would load [00:24] as it's not, grub just see's multiple disks on the controller and thus can't load as the file system it needs to read is not there [00:24] but that doesn make sence because again, pci raid card need drivers too [00:25] you're not listening [00:25] I'm not talking about drivers to interact with the device [00:25] grub isnt loading at all [00:25] the fake raid array is actually a software raid array [00:25] NRyan115: I've never used those onboard controllers, but I think his point is that your drives are connected through the MOBO's ide.... whereas a "true" raid controller will have its own IDE to connect the drives to it, then present to the mobo's. a "true" controller is transparent to the OS [00:25] NRyan115: yes, because it's on a device that doesn't exist [00:26] So i was trying a bootlable usb with kubuntu 10.04.1 and the network manager doesn't show the networks. I also tried with lubuntu and ubuntu and they do, what could be the reason because of this¿ using atheros by the way [00:26] While your RAID is in fact handled by a dedicated chip (as opposed to pure software), the OS still needs to handle it through a driver.. hence the "fake" part [00:26] but everythign needs a driver - I do not comprehend your two different versions of drivers anology [00:26] ou're not listening [00:27] NRyan115: it's not to interact with the hardware [00:27] it's to understan the layout of the raid [00:27] I am trying to listen [00:27] The pure hardware raids, usually extra pci cards, will look like a new IDE chain to the OS [00:27] it's like a micro-software raid application built into the driver [00:27] so they just use normal ide drivers [00:27] the first driver allows you to hit the device as a dumb controller (jbod) the second is a micro raid controller software that SHOULD live on the chip, but doesn't === RaNdY is now known as Guest52430 [00:28] if that was the case then there would be no need for the chip at all that doesnt make sense [00:29] NRyan115: it does make sense [00:29] you just don't want to accept it [00:29] no if the chip isnt doing anything then why is there a chip? [00:30] the chip stores the config and manages the interaction of the drives [00:30] ok, exactly [00:30] that config is useless without the software raid controller being loaded by the OS [00:30] its not like the chip is a giant splitter to add more ports [00:31] no - it's a cheap hunk of rubbish that requires software to manage it [00:31] or it would be an $1200 raid controller card [00:31] then why does it exist [00:31] why does what exist ? [00:31] NRyan115: the point being that software is used to managed the raid array rather then being fully done in hardware... [00:31] why would this chip exist if its the same as software raid, when you dont need a chip for software raid? [00:32] NRyan115: if you don't understand fakeraid - thats fine, but you need to start accepting it's what your using and it's a poor technology in linux [00:33] NRyan115: I think because it handels `some` stuff to make it easier for OS... but still does all the actual stuff in software [00:33] and, finally, my final point even if you are 100% right and the chip is a useless piece of junk then why the frick can this work in windows and not linux if linux is supposed ot be better? [00:33] NRyan115: because the driver is written for windows closed source, the linux version is reverse engineered and poor [00:34] NRyan115: because dam hardware manufactures develop drivers for windows and sometimes ignore linux [00:34] I cannot fathom why this would exist in such a mannor. If the hardware developers have the write the software to do the raid anyways, why not put it on the chip? [00:35] NRyan115: more cost... [00:35] NRyan115: why do you think your motherboard cost $200 and a hardware card is $1200 [00:35] NRyan115: maunfactures are stingy and try to make things as cheap as possible [00:36] a true hardware raid controllers has a nice little cpu and ram on it, better to make your motherboard/cpu/ram do the work for a tenth the price [00:37] NRyan115: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Firmware.2Fdriver-based_RAID_.28.22FakeRAID.22.29 explainds it quite well [00:38] If what you are saying is true, then from the standpoint of the chip designer (who I would most fully understand since microcontrollers is what I went to college for) then it doesnt make seny sense to solve a raid problem in this mannor. It is not as if they are having time or money in the hardware because they still have to spend time writing the software "driver" to perform the RAID. I find [00:38] it hard to believe they simply tried to save $1 in cost to lower the price of the controler card from $800 card to $10 motherboard chip [00:38] honestly, if you were doing it from scratch on like a linux file-server... softraid's probably safer just because you aren't reliant on a raid controller that can die [00:39] NRyan115: if you believe it or not - that is the truth [00:39] ok well again the issue is that I have a 3 drive raid 5 array i have been using for eyars. I am not willing to redo everything just for this installation [00:39] ikonia: the problem for that is that he's got to then make soft-raid work in windows [00:39] NRyan115: then don't put linux on it [00:39] LineVass: cross-os raid = true hardware only [00:40] And stop telling me to accept the truth I havent said you were wrong [00:41] you have stated to me a number of times it's true hardware raid when I told you it was software [00:41] NRyan115: it or is possible to install it to the external if there is enough space (linuc only need little more then 15 gigs) [00:41] so you have told me I am wrong [00:41] NRyan115: I'm assuming all 3 of your drives are exactly the same size right? [00:41] I am trying to understand and I am only arguing about sub points that didnt make any sense - I am not the type to blindly believe anything anyone says so I was simply questions what did not make sense to me [00:42] correct they are the same size [00:42] Yeah, and if you've already got 3 on a chain, plus probably a cdrom... you're probably out of IDE slots [00:42] ok [00:42] first [00:42] everything si SATA II [00:43] second.... ok there is no second [00:43] well, your drive controller... i think they still are 4 to a controller; [00:44] I believe I have more sata ports but I do nto have any money for a new drive [00:44] I think the point is that if you're going to make this work you're going to have to have some way to get the drives (that ikonia indicates are poor) working before you can access the raided drive [00:44] drivers i mean [00:45] also let me ask another question that doesn't make sense to me. At the risk of hearing you tell me to accept it again [00:45] now... the question is, and i don't know the answer, maybe ikonia does, will those drivers fit into the mbr, or are you going to need a separate boot partition that's not raided to hold those drives (so that you can then load the main os which would reside on your raided drive) [00:45] if I was using 100% software raid, then I would still only have 1 drive containing my mbr right? [00:46] correct [00:46] that's why you can't have /boot on a raid 5 partition [00:46] and 100% hardware raid they would all have equal mbr [00:46] unless it's a true hardware raid partition [00:46] no [00:46] MBR'd be striped in that case [00:46] errr [00:46] not with raid 5, but with raid 1 they would both have the same mbr [00:46] no [00:47] the mbr is only mirrored in hardware raid [00:47] that is what i said [00:47] in 100% hardware raid [00:47] assuming raid 1 [00:47] ok, in a %100 hardware mirror, they would be the same [00:47] ok, and what I have is neither, but your saying closer to software [00:47] it is software raid [00:48] it is not hardware raid [00:48] ok, but I know for a fact that if I setup a raid 1 array using this fake raid, and unplug one drive it still boots [00:48] I have done it on another computer [00:48] right. cause raid-1's mirroring [00:49] yes but software raid doesnt copy the mbr [00:49] NRyan115: within the windows OS, it's not software [00:49] 3 types of raid: pure software, "fake raid" or hybrid (whatever), pure hardware raid [00:49] (well it is, but the software is controlling hardware functions" [00:49] ) [00:50] I dont feel likeyou answered my question. You agreed that software raid 1 doesnt copy the mbr, and yet fake raid does so doesnt that make it closer to hardware.... or at minimum closer to neither [00:51] NRyan115: this is now offtopic for kubuntu [00:51] NRyan115: we have explained the limitations of how fakeraid works within linux [00:51] it's up to you how you take it forward [00:51] NRyan115: I think the point of fake raid is to allow the boot process to be in the raid enviroment... the hardware firmware handles the boot process then switches to software when the os can take over (if i under stand it correctly) [00:52] james I guess we are moving to private chat now [00:52] thank you again for your help [00:53] very much [00:53] NRyan115: the point being that it is all done in software... where as with 100% hardware then entire thing is done in inside the controller (it has its own dedicated cpu and ram) [00:55] uhh hello [00:56] could someone help me figure out why i can't connect to a windows share? [00:59] no one awake? === ewoerner|froscon is now known as ewoerner === _RaNdY is now known as RaNdY === RaNdY is now known as Guest11811 === root is now known as Guest73157 === eduardo is now known as geek === geek is now known as eduardo_ === eduardo_ is now known as dudugeek === dudugeek is now known as eduoliveira === eduoliveira is now known as eduardogeek [02:11] I'm having an issue where an external drive (powered externally via wallwart) is randomly unmounting. Any ideas what could be wrong? [02:24] good evening [02:24] would somebody happen to have kdesvn with unmodified external tool settings at hand? [02:42] !sh [02:42] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [02:42] !tty [02:42] To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login). To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution. [02:43] hm sh: cannot access tty < when i boot from a mondo restore disk === linux is now known as tutopy [03:54] [ http://radio.supertorrents.org:8000/listen.pls ]tune un live set! [04:06] yoooooooo [04:07] Would someone here try connecting to https://ctsi.ufl.edu and telling me if the site is up? [04:10] PricklyPillow: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ctsi.ufl.edu [04:13] wea0: that's really cool.. thanks === dan___ is now known as Dan_L === dan___ is now known as dan_l [06:01] hello,Guild Wars works great with wine 1.3 with kubuntu:) [06:05] Sweet :) [06:06] Any body try kde 4.5 ?does it work well === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [06:10] wouldnt updating kde in synaptic be bad.howdo i kill x and get console without it running [06:10] Not here. In fact I just installed kde after a year of gnoming around. [06:10] never spent much time in gnome [06:11] Out of curiosity, what web browser do you use? [06:12] mostly use kde and icewm [06:12] firefox [06:14] ide like to know why i cant get a console without x running in the buntus please? [06:16] You can enter console via ctrl+alt+f1. To kill x you'd have to log out before going to the tty 1 and then stopping gdm/kdm. I believe the command to stopping kdm is sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop [06:18] elslunko: thanks, but kdm is not in init.d [06:18] hmm not sure then, I'll poke around [06:20] elslunko: i tried what some others said typing service kdm stop its says its stopped/waiting but it really is not [06:20] So x never gets killed. [06:21] nope [06:23] ide like to try kde 4.5 but im to afraid todo it with x running:( [06:26] it would be nice if ya could get a buntu without upstart [06:29] elslunko: well thanks for repyling,im going to play guildwars seeya [06:29] Have fun [06:30] elslunko: btw it's just sudo stop kdm [06:30] frogonwheels: Thanks! [06:30] restart kdm start kdm [06:30] .. though there should be an init.d script that wraps it anyway === frogonwheels is now known as frogonwheels_ === frogonwheels_ is now known as frogonwheels__ === frogonwheels__ is now known as frogonwheels_ === frogonwheels_ is now known as frogonwheels [06:37] hi folks, i am on ubuntu, want to use Kmail and apparently need Kwallet.... i have the Kwallet manger but not the wallet..... pointers? [07:20] well, i installed kde 4.5 from the backports ppa, and stuff just keeps crashing. wouldn't recommend. [07:22] it seems you need to either make a new user or rename .kde [07:22] well_laid_lawn: already did that [07:23] well_laid_lawn: having the same problems [07:24] well_laid_lawn: if i try to adjust desktop effects while they're not suspended - kwin crashes, basically have to switch to a tty and kill kdm completely to get back. [07:24] well_laid_lawn: it also just crashed on me completely so that i had to shutdown the computer [07:24] you're sure the graphics are set up right? [07:25] it is new tho - so some greif is to be expected [07:25] well_laid_lawn: what do you mean? the graphics drivers? [07:25] yep [07:25] well_laid_lawn: it's an intel netbook [07:25] k [07:25] well_laid_lawn: i have the latest graphics from a ppa as well [07:25] !ppa [07:25] A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk. [07:26] WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and should be used at your own risk. [07:26] i know that [07:26] there's a price for using the absolute latest [07:26] mmm, changing the wallpaper makes things blow up [07:26] of course, this is on plasma-netbook [07:26] so ymmv [07:27] mmm, some xorg updates available [07:27] you're using desktop effects with the onboard netbook graphics - you can't ask too much of it [07:27] libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx, libglu1-mesa, xserver-xorg-input-evdev. [07:27] would those potentially change what's happening? [07:28] well_laid_lawn: they worked PERFECTLY on 4.4 [07:28] could only help from the sounds of things :] [07:28] well_laid_lawn: completely smooth [07:28] there's a price for using the absolute latest... [07:28] yeah [07:28] i know [07:28] I haven't tried 4.5 yet 'cause of that [07:29] there's a price for using old software too [07:29] but at least it works, usually [07:29] yep [07:32] sometimes i wonder if the people who claim kde is focusing on imitating windows aren't completely correct [07:33] because now they've gone to a white icon theme for the notification area [07:33] which is very windows-y [07:33] I haven't seen a windows comp in years - I like the blue tho :] [07:34] *in kde [07:34] i guess they changed the theme from "oxygen" to "air" [07:38] hmm [07:39] idk [07:44] jschall: does it go ok without desktop effects? [07:45] well_laid_lawn: not relaly [07:45] k [07:45] well_laid_lawn: i'm going to have to reinstall the os on the netbook [07:45] well_laid_lawn: probably switch to ubuntu netbook edition [07:46] well_laid_lawn: since 4.4 kubuntu netbook is generally buggy [07:46] jschall: didn't you say that 4.4 worked? [07:46] k :] [07:46] well_laid_lawn: it works, it just has quirks [07:46] well_laid_lawn: a lot of them [07:48] well_laid_lawn: how can i completely remove all kde packages? [07:48] there's [07:48] well_laid_lawn: i haven't found a good way to clean up after removing a ppa [07:48] !puregnome [07:48] If you want to remove all !Kubuntu packages or !Xubuntu packages and have a default !Ubuntu system, follow the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome [07:49] I don't know if it covers ppa stuff tho [07:49] well_laid_lawn: hmm. we'll find out. if i can't use it to revert back to 4.4, then i'll have to reinstall [07:50] jschall: it takes about twenty min here to reinstall - I have a separate home partition to make that sort of thing easier [07:51] well_laid_lawn: yeah, so do i [07:51] :] [07:54] 396 packages to remove [07:54] fun fun [07:54] plus some that need to be autoremoved [07:54] hey, i guess i can grab the complete list of packages that are in the ppa and remove those [07:54] then remove the ppa and reinstall kubuntu-netbook [07:55] sounds good [07:55] watch out for dot files [08:15] well_laid_lawn: holy crap. i think this is actually going to work. [08:16] woot! [08:17] well_laid_lawn: i sure will be impressed if it does [08:17] well_laid_lawn: all i'll have to do is put my old home directory back [08:17] jschall: you ended up reinstalling? [08:17] well_laid_lawn: [08:17] well_laid_lawn: no [08:18] k [08:18] why do you have to put your home dir back then? [08:18] well_laid_lawn: because i replaced it with a blank one when i upgraded to 4.5 [08:18] jschall: that was smart :] [08:19] well_laid_lawn: i might still reinstall. [08:19] well_laid_lawn: i'm thinking i want to try something other than kde [08:20] well_laid_lawn: although [08:20] well_laid_lawn: compiz blew last time i tried it [08:20] well_laid_lawn: not well integrated into gnome at all [08:20] jschall: I have compiz as a standalone wm and it works fine when I use it [08:21] which isn't often [08:21] jschall: you can try the other desktops in your present install [08:21] !unr [08:21] Ubuntu Netbook Remix is a slightly altered version of Ubuntu, optimised for small screens. For more information, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR - support in #ubuntu [08:21] well_laid_lawn: i know [08:22] well_laid_lawn: i might try that. have you tried it? [08:22] jschall: yep - just select from the session button at login - works fine here [08:22] well_laid_lawn: no, i mean unr [08:23] jschall: nope - don't use a netbook - I have chubby fingers :] [08:23] netbooks with fullsize keyboards can be had === frogonwheels is now known as frogonwheels_ [08:23] my netbook is 92% and i type faster on it than on a desktop kb [08:23] aren't they just underpowered notebooks then? [08:24] nope [08:24] I use a pent3 lappy for vids on the deck and that's about it [08:25] gesktops ftw! [08:25] desktops ftw! [08:25] they're faster than your pentium 3 lappy! [08:25] heh :] [08:25] for sure [08:25] it plays hd vids fine [08:26] well_laid_lawn: anyway, netbooks are smaller and lighter and have longer battery lives in general [08:27] jschall: they do seem to get 3+ hrs from what I've read [08:27] well_laid_lawn: mine gets 8-12 [08:27] well_laid_lawn: the good ones have 6 cell batteries and last 8-12 hours [08:27] jschall: that wouldn't be playing vids tho [08:27] ? [08:27] no, not constantly playing video [08:28] of course not [08:28] that would be mostly idle time [08:28] sweet [08:30] well_laid_lawn: normal use would probably get you 6-8 hours [08:30] well_laid_lawn: i would think [08:31] jschall: you can't argue with that - I like a bit more screen real estate since I don't do much that needs portability [08:31] well_laid_lawn: yeah, that's what they're short on [08:31] Hrm, I need to convert a flv to SWF at the same resolution/quality. how would I go about that? [08:32] well_laid_lawn: you can get ones that are 1366x768 [08:32] well_laid_lawn: but most of them are 1024x600 [08:33] well_laid_lawn: i thought i'd have a major problem with that, but it hasn't been a big issue for web browsing [08:33] jschall: I guess it comes down to what you use it for :] [08:34] well_laid_lawn: i intend to use it in classes [08:34] well_laid_lawn: partly for coding and taking notes, but mostly for browsing comedy websites [08:35] jschall: I've read the 1.6Ghz of the netbooks doesn't equate to the 1.6Ghz of a pent4 for example [08:36] well_laid_lawn: clock speed is useless for judging a cpu [08:36] jussi: does the -sameq switch in ffmpeg not work for flv? [08:36] jschall: yep :] [08:36] well_laid_lawn: and a pentium 4 is 10 year old hardware [08:38] jschall: that was just an example - I wouldn't do ./configure too much on a netbook :] === frogonwheels_ is now known as frogonwheels [08:39] well_laid_lawn: something messed up my screen brightness and it reverts to 0 (backlight off) every time i start X [08:40] well_laid_lawn: well, i guess i'll have to wait for kubuntu netbook 10.10 [08:41] well_laid_lawn: before i try 4.5 [08:43] i hate kde's calculator [08:43] i have to install gcalctool every time [08:43] kate loses vs gedit too, i think [09:00] hello everyone [09:01] on logon , a taskbar item remains, when i close it, the desktop workspace crashes [09:02] !paste [09:02] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [09:03] http://imagebin.org/110933 [09:04] see the first item in the taskbar [09:05] developer crash report --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/482237/ [09:05] that's the "show desktop" one isn't it? [09:07] phoenix_: that's more for #kde I would think - or launchpad [09:08] well_laid_lawn: hello well_laid_lawn, i found that the program beagle search used it [09:08] o [09:08] well_laid_lawn: this occurs not only for beagle, for any program using certain type of display method [09:09] well_laid_lawn: like vlc [09:09] well_laid_lawn: what will be the cause? [09:09] phoenix_: I'm the wrong bloke to mention that to - if the above channels don't help there's #kubuntu-devs [09:10] or ask again in a bit phoenix_ :] [09:10] well_laid_lawn: ok, i will try that. where can i find the autostart settings [09:13] phoenix_: I'm not on a kubuntu bow atm and have never had to worry about doing that sorry [09:13] s/bow/box/ [09:13] well_laid_lawn: ok, so you are in ubuntu? [09:14] phoenix_: I'm on an Archlinux box with fluxbox as the wm now [09:14] my multimedia box :] [09:15] well_laid_lawn: who is archlinux? [09:16] phoenix_: it is a rolling distro that's really up to date and can be very light [09:17] well_laid_lawn: ya, i saw the repos and got stunned, everything is latest and some of the softs are well supported [09:18] phoenix_: all I need is a menu and video/audio mostly :] [09:18] well_laid_lawn: have you tried xbmc live === cihan is now known as cihann [09:19] phoenix_: yep - it used a lot of resources here with all the plugins etc [09:20] well_laid_lawn: ya. enjoy. i am going now.see you [09:20] phoenix_: bye :] [09:21] well_laid_lawn: bye [09:25] most of the linux audio programs use way too much resources [09:25] there are exceptions of course :-) [09:26]