pitti | Good morning | 07:23 |
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and471 | morning all :) | 07:42 |
kiwinote | morning and471 | 07:44 |
and471 | hey kiwinote | 07:44 |
and471 | mvo, you are back!! :) | 08:18 |
mvo | hey and471! | 08:19 |
and471 | mvo, I will let you ctach up with the backlog first, but when you are ready, I have a question about app-install-data :) | 08:19 |
and471 | *cacth | 08:19 |
and471 | *catch | 08:19 |
mvo | and471: heh :) sure, just ask, I am reading mail currently, but I will reply async ;) | 08:20 |
and471 | mvo, oh okay :) | 08:20 |
and471 | mvo, currently the fretsonfire-game.desktop file in app-install-data points to the package fretsonfire-game (as this is the package in which it is contained), however we want the fretsonfire-game-desktop file to point towards the fretsonfire matapackage ('fretsonfire') instead - is there a way to do this? | 08:21 |
mvo | and471: yes, there is a ~mvo/archive-crawler/mvo that contains a data/rename.cfg file that can be used for this, I can do that now | 08:23 |
and471 | mvo, ah thankyou very much | 08:23 |
mvo | and471: done, will be part of the next data update | 08:30 |
and471 | mvo, thankyou very much :) | 08:30 |
and471 | vish, ^ fretsonfire | 08:30 |
mvo | and471: yw :) | 08:32 |
and471 | mvo, just so I understand, that change should mean that software center will show the description of the metapackage? | 08:34 |
mvo | and471: yes | 08:36 |
and471 | ok thanks | 08:36 |
mvo | and471: is that not good ? | 08:36 |
and471 | mvo, no no that is good, I just wanted to check I had understood it correctly | 08:36 |
mvo | ok :) | 08:36 |
and471 | mvo, sorry how rude of me, how was your vacation? :) | 08:45 |
vish | and471: neat thanks.. :) | 08:46 |
vish | \o/ mvo is back! | 08:46 |
pitti | hey mvo, welcome back! | 08:46 |
vish | and471: had you filed a separate bug for that in frets? | 08:46 |
and471 | vish, no, so all is okay now | 08:47 |
vish | and471: the same way mvo had fixed the firefox bug too.. the one you marked invalid.. ;) | 08:47 |
and471 | vish, well I looked and it had been fixed already, you can mark fix released if you want :) | 08:47 |
vish | and471: already done ;p | 08:47 |
and471 | hehe | 08:48 |
vish | and471: bah! we could have had two bugs in frets as fixed ;p | 08:48 |
and471 | ah wel... | 08:48 |
vish | and471: why was the cups task closed? the bug you just closed.. | 08:49 |
and471 | vish, so just to check, for this merge request, do I need to subscribe the sponsors to the bug? https://code.launchpad.net/~and471/ubuntu/maverick/fretsonfire/fix-599525/+merge/33356 | 08:49 |
and471 | vish, bilalakthar said that it was in gtk+2.0 | 08:49 |
and471 | stupid internets broke again... | 08:49 |
vish | and471: oh.. better to have commented that.. otherwise i have to read bug to know that ;p | 08:49 |
and471 | vish, sorry, I will do, it was just because bilal said 'This is not in CUPS' but I will do | 08:50 |
vish | and471: thanks :) | 08:50 |
and471 | vish, so just to check, for this merge request, do I need to subscribe the sponsors to the bug? https://code.launchpad.net/~and471/ubuntu/maverick/fretsonfire/fix-599525/+merge/33356 | 08:51 |
vish | and471: i still dont know whats wrong in doing that.. tumbleweed thinks otherwise.. :) | 08:52 |
and471 | ok, I won't then :) | 08:52 |
vish | and471: and gese-r thought we can subscribe both too.. so might just be each sponsor's pref | 08:52 |
and471 | yeah | 08:52 |
and471 | vish, well since tumbleweed sponsored my last upload, I will be nice and do what he asked :) | 08:53 |
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seb128 | hey | 09:13 |
and471 | hey seb128 | 09:14 |
and471 | oh mvo, nearly forgot, I started some work on the new update-manager (software-updater) and myself, kiwinote, mpt and devildante were discussing it | 09:16 |
mvo | and471: aha, interessting | 09:16 |
and471 | I figured that it would be better to start afresh because the infrastructure is very different (one window that morphs) and then copy some stuff from the old update-manager in | 09:17 |
mvo | and471: ok, that should be fine | 09:17 |
kiwinote | hi mvo! hope you had a good week? | 09:17 |
and471 | mvo, but we wanted to wait until you got back, to dicuss it | 09:17 |
mvo | kiwinote: a very good one, thanks :) | 09:17 |
and471 | mvo, when you have some time lp:~and471/+junk/software-updater | 09:18 |
mvo | and471: starting afresh gives us the chance to get rid of some baggage that accumulated over the years and focus more strongly on tests/TDD | 09:18 |
and471 | mvo, yup, I have started with TDD, already got most of them in :) | 09:19 |
mvo | and471: sweet | 09:19 |
mvo | and471: there was some discussion about updates at last uds and one vision that was discussed was to apply them all unattended. this requires a work in the backend to ensure that they are installed in a secure and unobtrusive way, but that would be the ideal. it updates without the user noticing | 09:20 |
mvo | and471: of course that requires that its possible to interrupt the upgrade on shutdown etc, so some thinking is required how to do that best | 09:21 |
mvo | and471: but there will be people who do not want to use it, so having a improved updater is still worthwhile | 09:21 |
mvo | and471: glanced over the code, nice work! | 09:22 |
and471 | mvo, thanks :) | 09:23 |
and471 | mvo, I think when it starts t take shape, we would separate the pages out into different files, but that is the basic framework in there | 09:23 |
* mvo nods | 09:23 | |
and471 | mvo, so basically the reason I stopped on it was because I wanted to know whether we were going to go ahead with a 'rewrite' and also I don't really know about the backend stuff :) | 09:25 |
and471 | mvo, are you going to be working on it for natty? | 09:25 |
mvo | and471: I'm not entirely sure yet, but its not unlikely. its definitely something we will discuss at uds | 09:26 |
and471 | mvo, ok | 09:42 |
seb128 | hey and471 mvo | 09:43 |
mvo | hey seb128 | 09:44 |
seb128 | mvo, did you have a nice week away from work? | 09:47 |
mpt | Good morning mvo! | 09:47 |
* mpt tries out lp:~mmcg069/software-center/visual-overhaul | 09:47 | |
and471 | mpt, is it good? (screenshot please :) ) | 09:51 |
mpt | and471, http://imgur.com/i70vh | 10:12 |
and471 | mpt, nice | 10:12 |
mvo | seb128: yes, *very* nice | 10:12 |
mvo | hey mpt | 10:12 |
and471 | mpt, I don't know about the significance of the clouds - look a but ubuntuone | 10:13 |
and471 | *bit | 10:13 |
mpt | yeah | 10:13 |
mpt | It's a similar idea, the software you can install is "in the cloud", but possibly a bit too similar | 10:15 |
mvo | mpt: is that branch based on the feedback the design discussed? | 10:15 |
mvo | eh, the design team provided I mean :) | 10:15 |
mpt | mvo, no, they don't have time | 10:17 |
mvo | aha, ok | 10:18 |
vish | mvo: hi , when you get time could you look into lp:~ilidrissi.amine/update-manager/software-updater-rename and lp:~ilidrissi.amine/update-notifier/renaming , we are nearing UIF, tick tock.. ;) | 10:55 |
hyperair | eh? update-notifier is being renamed? | 10:56 |
vish | hyperair: hey! | 10:57 |
hyperair | vish: hey! =) | 10:57 |
and471 | hyperair, yup | 11:04 |
hyperair | why so? | 11:04 |
* hyperair thought the name was pretty okay | 11:05 | |
and471 | mpt: ^ could you explain? | 11:05 |
and471 | or vish? | 11:07 |
vish | hyperair: it is part of a larger plan! :) | 11:08 |
hyperair | larger plan? | 11:08 |
vish | hyperair: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdateHandling | 11:08 |
dpm | hiya seb128, do you happen to know who maintains computer-janitor these days? I'd like them to have a look at bug 612493 - it's a single line change and it would make the application finally appear translated. | 11:27 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 612493 in computer-janitor (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Computer Janitor regression: UI strings not marked for translation (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/612493 | 11:27 |
seb128 | dpm, mvo? | 11:28 |
seb128 | dpm, or nobody | 11:29 |
dpm | seb128, ok thanks, I'll ping him when he's back from lunch | 11:29 |
vish | dpm: i thin its barry warsaw , or similar.. | 11:29 |
vish | think* | 11:29 |
dpm | yeah, I saw that as well, he's the contact for the upstream project in LP, but tbh I'm not sure at all anyone is maintaining it right now | 11:30 |
chrisccoulson | wow, the build-depends for gnome-power-manager have gotten pretty bug | 11:30 |
chrisccoulson | s/bug/big/ | 11:30 |
seb128 | dpm, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~computer-janitor-hackers/computer-janitor/trunk | 11:30 |
and471 | vish, fretsonfire uploaded :) | 11:30 |
seb128 | dpm, barry has been doing the recent work it seems | 11:30 |
seb128 | dpm, talk to mvo or barry | 11:31 |
vish | and471: yay! | 11:31 |
dpm | I'll do that, thanks seb128 and vish | 11:31 |
vish | np.. :) | 11:31 |
and471 | mvo, will the fretsonfire thing be fixed by next upload of archive-crawler or app-install-data? | 11:34 |
vish | and471: have you filed a bug for removal of anjal from the archive? | 11:38 |
and471 | vish, no, I spoke to a guy about it and he said he would do it all | 11:38 |
and471 | vish, he was maintainer of moblin stuff | 11:39 |
vish | and471: hmm, well , if you close the existing bug too, no one is gonna track it! ;) | 11:40 |
and471 | vish, I think he opened a separate bug... | 11:40 |
* vish checks | 11:40 | |
and471 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anjal/+bug/621660 | 11:40 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 621660 in anjal (Ubuntu) "Please remove anjal from maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] | 11:40 |
vish | yup.. :) | 11:41 |
and471 | vish, so what should I do? open up the bug again? | 11:41 |
vish | and471: nap , 621220 is fine.. just wanted to make sure there was a bug.. :) | 11:42 |
vish | nah* | 11:42 |
and471 | ok | 11:42 |
bilalakhtar | hmm | 11:43 |
and471 | vish, maybe don't mark fretsonfire bug as released, as we are still waiting on the upload from app-install-data | 11:48 |
and471 | vish, at the moment it will still display the same thing in SC | 11:49 |
vish | and471: mv-o will upload it with the next release , ideally that bug is about two issues , the main focus was description though :) | 11:50 |
and471 | vish, ok its your choice, just don't want to get to maverick and something didn't happen and bug is still apparent | 11:50 |
* and471 is going to go | 11:51 | |
and471 | see ya everyone | 11:51 |
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rodrigo_ | hi | 13:35 |
nessita | mvo: are you around? | 13:36 |
mvo | nessita: yes | 13:36 |
nessita | mvo: hello! do you have a few minutes to talk about SSO dbus service? we need to sightly modify the signature of the signals | 13:37 |
nessita | mvo: and I wanted to tell you so nothing get broken | 13:38 |
mvo | nessita: ok, what will change/needs changing? | 13:38 |
rodrigo_ | hmm, seb128 not working today? | 13:38 |
nessita | mvo: the login_and_do_all_the_magic method my signals one of the: CredentialsError, CredentialsFound and AuthorizationDenied | 13:39 |
mvo | rodrigo_: he was around earlier | 13:39 |
rodrigo_ | mvo, ah, ok | 13:39 |
nessita | mvo: s/my/might/ | 13:39 |
nessita | mvo: they all will pass as first argument the app_name (so you can check within your application if the signals was meant to be send to you) | 13:40 |
kenvandine | hey seb128 | 13:40 |
rodrigo_ | hey seb128 :) | 13:40 |
seb128 | hey kenvandine rodrigo_ | 13:40 |
nessita | mvo: and the CredentialsError will also pass the error | 13:40 |
seb128 | hey nessita | 13:40 |
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mpt | mvo, hi, are you planning on merging any changes to the buy-stuff code in the next couple of hours? | 13:40 |
* rodrigo_ lets kenvandine first turn with seb128 | 13:41 | |
nessita | hey seb128! the MIR for mocker is ready (just FYI) | 13:41 |
* kenvandine doesn't need anything :) | 13:41 | |
seb128 | nessita, excellent | 13:41 |
nessita | mvo: so, alecu will be sending an email with these details, but I wanted to let you know first | 13:41 |
rodrigo_ | kenvandine, ah, ok | 13:41 |
mvo | mpt: I haven't looked at anything pending, but there is nothing from me yet, but there is a request to change some of the server interaction - why do you ask? | 13:41 |
seb128 | mvo, do you know where language selector writes its changes? | 13:42 |
mpt | mvo, so that I'd know whether a screencast I did now was about to become out of date | 13:42 |
mvo | nessita: ok, that should be no problem, a mail is still much appreciated. once the mail is out I can change it easily | 13:42 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, so, about bug #615874, so I just submit the addition of the U1 email, right? | 13:42 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 615874 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add Ubuntu One email to Evolution fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615874 | 13:42 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, oh right, that one | 13:42 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, yes, though I don't like it much but seems you guys insist on it | 13:42 |
nessita | mvo: great! | 13:42 |
mvo | mpt: shoud be fine for the time being, certainly until the meeting :) | 13:42 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, sorry I couldn't look at it on Friday, I was travelling | 13:42 |
mvo | seb128: the local or the global one? | 13:43 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, no worry | 13:43 |
seb128 | mvo, local, ie for the user running iut | 13:43 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, well, not that I like it much, but it's an easy way for announcing U1 without spamming too much | 13:43 |
seb128 | it got german put before english and doing a dnd from english us before german still doesn't fix it | 13:43 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, I'll submit the patch then | 13:43 |
seb128 | I just want to rm whatever it did | 13:43 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, without considering non english users | 13:43 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, thanks | 13:44 |
mvo | seb128: iirc it writes to ~/.profile, could you have a look there? don't rm the full file ;) | 13:44 |
mvo | seb128: and .dmrc | 13:44 |
seb128 | export LANGUAGE="fr_FR:fr:de:de_AT:de_BE:de_CH:de_DE:de_LI:de_LU:en" | 13:45 |
seb128 | in profile | 13:45 |
seb128 | mvo, thanks | 13:45 |
seb128 | export LANGUAGE="fr_FR:fr:en_US:de:de_AT:de_BE:de_CH:de_DE:de_LI:de_LU:en" | 13:45 |
seb128 | in fact before the change I was doing | 13:46 |
seb128 | language selector is a piece of crap software | 13:46 |
* seb128 hugs mvo | 13:46 | |
seb128 | I got it cleaned now | 13:46 |
mvo | seb128: I will simply claim that that started after I handed it over ;) | 13:47 |
seb128 | hehe | 13:47 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, right, that's why I tried with Danilo's intltool patch | 13:52 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, but I'll be sending the patch upstream | 13:52 |
mpt | mvo, how do I make Ubuntu forget that I've purchased Hello X? :-) | 13:52 |
mvo | mpt: not at all, but I can do that for you :) | 13:53 |
mvo | mpt: did you work against staging or ec2? | 13:53 |
mpt | mvo, how would I tell? | 13:54 |
mvo | mpt: if you did not change anything its staging, I will make it forget about the purchase, hold on a minute or two | 13:54 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, I would prefer that but it's late for this cycle | 13:55 |
mvo | mpt: its a hot seller, I see a lot of people purchasing it :) | 13:55 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, yeah | 13:55 |
mvo | mpt: https://staging.launchpad.net is doing a code update, I can not change the subscription state for that currently :/ | 13:57 |
mpt | mvo, ok. So I have just tested the "you already purchased it but it didn't install properly" case, and it's pretty ropey | 13:58 |
mpt | mvo, is it easy to test against ec2 instead? (Do I need my own ec2 account or something?) | 14:01 |
mvo | mpt: the ec2 one will also try to talk to staging.launchpad.net and if that is down it will not work | 14:01 |
mvo | mpt: so we need to wait a little bit unitl that code update is finished | 14:01 |
mvo | mpt: in the meantime we can improve this failure case | 14:02 |
mpt | mvo, as in, right now? | 14:04 |
mvo | mpt: only if you have time | 14:06 |
mpt | mvo, yep, that would be faster than e-mail/Launchpad ping-pong | 14:07 |
mpt | mvo, the first thing I notice is that for something you can buy, the software list view item has a "More Info" button, it doesn't have an "Install" button, but it doesn't have a "Buy…" button either | 14:08 |
mpt | Is that deliberate? | 14:08 |
mvo | mpt: not deliberate, just a missing feature to show/wire-in the button | 14:10 |
mpt | mvo, ok, bug 622700, that's low importance | 14:12 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 622700 in software-center (Ubuntu) ""Buy…" button missing in software list view (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622700 | 14:12 |
fagan | mpt: is there software to buy in yet? | 14:13 |
* fagan isnt on maverick at the moment | 14:13 | |
mpt | fagan, not quite yet | 14:13 |
fagan | sounds like fun though when it gets in | 14:13 |
mpt | mvo, the big one is bug 618817 | 14:13 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 618817 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Payment screen opens in a separate window (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618817 | 14:13 |
kiwinote | davmor2: re your bug, "sudo update-software-center" should allow you to use s-c | 14:17 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, package branch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615874 updated, so please review and merge, please | 14:17 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 615874 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add Ubuntu One email to Evolution fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [Wishlist,In progress] | 14:17 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, thanks | 14:17 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, was the version translatable using gettext ready btw? I just saw your updates from friday on the merge request | 14:20 |
davmor2 | kiwinote: that worked thanks | 14:20 |
davmor2 | mvo: ^ | 14:20 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, well, I am not sure it fully worked, but I think it was | 14:20 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, do you feel it's ready or do you think it's better to wait next cycle and go with the easy one now? | 14:20 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, without danilo's comments, I can't be sure, so it's safer to wait now I guess | 14:20 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, it's my opinion as well, let's do that | 14:21 |
mvo | mpt: ok | 14:21 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, although if danilo confirms it works, today or during this week, would it be too late to add it? | 14:21 |
mvo | kiwinote: just merged your no-dbus branch, many thanks for finding that bug :) | 14:21 |
kiwinote | mvo: great, thanks | 14:22 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, we can think about it but it feels late, now is time to focus on stabilizing what we have not on adding new codepaths and debug those | 14:22 |
mvo | davmor2: see above, if you bzr pull in trunk the lucid version should be more happy | 14:22 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, ok | 14:22 |
mvo | davmor2: eh, the maverick one I mean | 14:22 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, btw do you know offhand if it's easy to add a signature to evo by default? | 14:22 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, I'll send a proper patch upstream, so for next cycle we should get it for free then | 14:22 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, hmm, I think it should, let me check | 14:23 |
mpt | mvo, "ok" as in it's fixed? :-) | 14:23 |
seb128 | rodrigo_, thanks | 14:23 |
davmor2 | mvo: I already thanked kiwinote but thanks :) | 14:23 |
mvo | mpt: "ok" as in "I see what I can do" | 14:24 |
mvo | mpt: (sorry, there is a bunch of other stuff, including some backend changes that are required too) | 14:25 |
mvo | mpt: just merged your fit-and-finish branch, many thanks! | 14:26 |
mpt | mvo, thanks. I couldn't work out how to get "Featured Applications" to show up as "Featured" in the pathbutton. | 14:27 |
mvo | mpt: its not showing up in the pathbar at all right, now, correct? and you want it to show up? | 14:28 |
mvo | mpt: or do you mean when clicking on "all" ? | 14:29 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, see /apps/evolution/mail/signatures gconf entry | 14:29 |
rodrigo_ | seb128, I guess you can provide some default there | 14:30 |
mpt | mvo, when clicking on "All", you get "Get Software > Featured Applications". It should be just "Get Software > Featured". (For example, we might feature screensavers or fonts etc in future.) | 14:30 |
mvo | mpt: ok, let me fix that | 14:30 |
* mvo fixes some failing tests first | 14:31 | |
seb128 | rodrigo_, thanks | 14:31 |
mpt | mvo, and the same for "New Applications" -> "What’s New" | 14:31 |
kiwinote | mpt: is http://imagebin.org/110961 the character you want? | 14:48 |
kiwinote | mpt: I ask because it looks a little titch misplaced | 14:49 |
mpt | kiwinote, yep, that's it. It probably looks misplaced because the button is missing the usual left+right inner padding. | 14:51 |
kiwinote | ok, thanks | 14:51 |
bilalakhtar | kenvandine: could you please have a look at bug #620326 ? | 14:54 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 620326 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Wrong (hardcoded) width for Play button in non-english language (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620326 | 14:54 |
alecu | seb128, hi, I've been working on the DBus interface for the SSO client. We've found a but in the DBus api, and we'd like to propose a fix | 14:56 |
alecu | seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/621377 | 14:56 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 621377 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "SSOCredentials signals must always pass the app_name (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Triaged] | 14:56 |
alecu | *found a bug | 14:57 |
seb128 | bilalakhtar, kenvandine: don't upload rb | 14:57 |
alecu | seb128, should we ask for an exception for it? | 14:57 |
kenvandine | seb128, ok, got something queued up? | 14:57 |
seb128 | kenvandine, yes, what is commited and in the desktop team ppa | 14:58 |
seb128 | kenvandine, it just breaks indicator-sound so I'm waiting for ronoc to debug its side | 14:58 |
kenvandine | seb128, can you look bug 620326? | 14:58 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 620326 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Wrong (hardcoded) width for Play button in non-english language (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620326 | 14:58 |
kenvandine | and maybe incorporate the fix? | 14:58 |
seb128 | kenvandine, I will when I work on the upload | 14:59 |
kenvandine | ok | 14:59 |
kenvandine | thx | 14:59 |
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seb128 | np | 14:59 |
seb128 | alecu, can you check with mvo for the impact on software-center? | 15:03 |
seb128 | alecu, I'm fine with the change but you need to sync uploads if that breaks software-center | 15:03 |
alecu | seb128, yes, we've already told mvo about this possible change. | 15:04 |
seb128 | mvo, ^ | 15:04 |
alecu | seb128, ok, we'll make sure the uploads are syncd | 15:04 |
seb128 | thanks | 15:04 |
bilalakhtar | thanks seb128 | 15:04 |
alecu | thank you | 15:04 |
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chrisccoulson | vish - did you want something sponsoring for g-s-t? | 15:19 |
vish | chrisccoulson: yeah, bug 529744 , thanks :) | 15:20 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 529744 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "When creating a new user, "Shortname" should really be "Username" . (affects: 1) (heat: 25)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529744 | 15:20 |
mpt | Ah, kiwinote, you're so fast | 15:27 |
kiwinote | hehe, I'll look at that installing purchase one too | 15:27 |
kiwinote | mpt: do we continue to use three dots behind installing, or do you want real ellipsises there? | 15:28 |
mvo | alecu: the change should be straightforward, will you send me a mail with the summary please? just so that it does not get lost? | 15:29 |
mvo | kiwinote: nice! | 15:29 |
mpt | kiwinote, real ellipses everywhere :-) | 15:29 |
seb128 | mvo, should we sync an upload with you? | 15:29 |
seb128 | mvo, or should sso just be updated and you will catch up with it? | 15:30 |
mvo | seb128: I can catch up | 15:30 |
kiwinote | mpt: ok, will do. Just need to make sure that I find all the tests to update as well ;) | 15:30 |
seb128 | mvo, thanks | 15:30 |
seb128 | mvo, I will let you know when I sponsor those changes | 15:31 |
mpt | kiwinote, in .ui files it's … and in Python strings it's \u2026 | 15:31 |
kiwinote | thanks | 15:31 |
mvo | mpt: do you have the terminal output from your screencast? I would like to check if its not a issue with staging. there should be a bunch of "title_changes … text on the terminal or in ~/.xsession-errors" | 15:32 |
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mpt | mvo, sorry, I restarted since then | 15:34 |
mpt | And now staging is back up so I get a different result | 15:35 |
alecu | mvo, I'll send the API that changes in an email, plus I'm setting up a wikipage with the full api | 15:37 |
mvo | alecu: cool, thanks | 15:39 |
mvo | mpt: could you please pastebin the output on the terminal for me? | 15:40 |
mvo | mpt: its possible that staging is pretty outdated | 15:52 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: ah, thanks for g-p-m; was that the reason for those "bad atom" failures? | 15:52 |
mvo | mpt: the whats new/featured stuff is updated in trunk now (btw) | 15:52 |
chrisccoulson | pitti - yeah, that should fix those now | 15:52 |
pitti | chrisccoulson: it'd explain why I didn't get that on my laptop then | 15:52 |
pitti | seb128 mentioned the other day, but I never tested it on non-xrandr hardware, so I hadn't seen it | 15:53 |
pitti | thanks! | 15:53 |
chrisccoulson | pitti - i don't get it on mine either, but a user came on to #ubuntu-devel over the weekend and we debugged it there | 15:53 |
chrisccoulson | so i'm assuming it will fix it ;) | 15:53 |
mvo | kiwinote: nice work on the getting-the-small-things-right branch, much appreciated | 15:57 |
kiwinote | mvo: thanks :) | 15:58 |
bilalakhtar | pitti: around? | 16:04 |
and471 | tremolux, hey | 16:08 |
and471 | nessita, hey, I am doing some tests with the framework that you use for ubuntu-sso-client, but I have hit a hurdle, wondered whether you have any ideas | 16:08 |
nessita | and471: shooy | 16:09 |
nessita | shoot* | 16:09 |
and471 | nessita, in a test, I check whether clicking a button launches 'software-properties-gtk' but parsing the 'ps -A' output | 16:09 |
and471 | nessita, but to launch software-properties-gtk, I have to actually run 'gksudo software-properties-gtk' | 16:10 |
and471 | however because of that 'xvfb-run' the tester can't see the gksudo dialog | 16:10 |
kklimonda | mvo: could you take a look at bug 622489 when you have some time? | 16:10 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 622489 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""Exception: No date tag found" in ubuntu-support-status (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622489 | 16:11 |
and471 | nessita, so they can't put in their password so the test fails | 16:11 |
and471 | nessita, I managed to get around this by running the tests with sudo | 16:11 |
mvo | kklimonda: yes | 16:11 |
and471 | nessita, but then I can start software-properties-gtk becuase it gives me an error about not having an X display | 16:11 |
and471 | RuntimeError: could not open display | 16:12 |
kiwinote | mpt, mvo: just fyi, I ran a script to list all pkgs containing recommended addons and suggested addons using the current addons branch (takes 40mins to run the script..). Output is available at http://ubuntuone.com/p/DdF/ . There are quite a few 'interesting' things in there. | 16:14 |
nessita | and471: no no no no no nooooooooo! | 16:14 |
nessita | :-) | 16:14 |
mpt | kiwinote, interesting things like "Server Error (500)"? :-) | 16:14 |
and471 | kiwinote, try pastebin.ubuntu.com = it is pretty now :) | 16:15 |
and471 | nessita, huh? | 16:15 |
kiwinote | and471: it doesn't accept files of 20k lines.. | 16:15 |
and471 | kiwinote, that sucks | 16:15 |
and471 | kiwinote, but it is pretty :) | 16:15 |
kiwinote | and471: but yes, it does look nice now! | 16:16 |
nessita | and471: your tests should be absolutely isolated from other dependecies. So, how do you run the software-properties-gtk within your program? | 16:16 |
and471 | nessita, ah, well we use the subprocess module | 16:16 |
and471 | nessita, when a settings button is clicked, subprocess.call is used | 16:17 |
nessita | and471: then you should mokeypatch subprocess.call, basically like this: | 16:17 |
and471 | nessita, sorry subprocess.Popen, but it is basically the same | 16:18 |
nessita | and471: let me show you a snippet | 16:18 |
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nessita | and471: are you using tiwsted.trial.unittest.TestCAse? | 16:21 |
and471 | nessita, yup | 16:21 |
kiwinote | mpt, mvo: hm, perhaps http://bit.ly/ay9Eat works instead | 16:22 |
and471 | kiwinote, the link worked for me, but I have been getting 500's for other ubuntuone stuff this week | 16:22 |
kiwinote | and471: ah, good to know. First time I've u1 here, so wasn't quite sure how stable it was | 16:23 |
kiwinote | ..I've used.. | 16:23 |
nessita | and471: this snippet http://nessita.pastebin.com/FGb9Ukvt makes your code independant ofsubprocess.Popen | 16:24 |
nessita | and471: you know subprocess.Popen works, so no need to exercise it | 16:25 |
mpt | thanks kiwinote | 16:26 |
and471 | nessita, sorry pressed wrong power switch on wall... | 16:26 |
and471 | nessita, the rest you can guess :) | 16:26 |
nessita | and471: jeje let me repaste what I said | 16:28 |
nessita | and471: this snippet http://nessita.pastebin.com/FGb9Ukvt makes your code independant ofsubprocess.Popen | 16:28 |
nessita | and471: you know subprocess.Popen works, so no need to exercise it | 16:28 |
and471 | nessita, cool thanks | 16:28 |
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and471 | nessita, so self.patch replaces the function Popen in the module subprocess with your lambda function? | 16:29 |
nessita | and471: exactly, and automatically restore it at tearDown time | 16:30 |
and471 | nessita, ah okay thankyou :) | 16:30 |
nessita | you're welcome! | 16:30 |
seb128 | pitti, did you try to restart the retracers? | 16:35 |
pitti | seb128: no, I didn't; I thought it was you | 16:35 |
seb128 | pitti, just wondering why I get an email about one of those crashing | 16:35 |
pitti | I wondered as well | 16:35 |
seb128 | hum ok | 16:35 |
seb128 | pitti, there was a box restart apparently | 16:37 |
seb128 | pitti, not sure why that would make those run with the lock being on disk though | 16:37 |
seb128 | but I guess that's it | 16:37 |
and471 | nessita, why do you assert that self._called is not None first? | 16:38 |
mpt | mvo, tremolux: I have a couple of questions that I would have asked if my mic was working :-) | 16:40 |
mvo | mpt: sure, just ask them now | 16:41 |
mpt | mvo, what are the prospects for the add-ons branch? | 16:42 |
mpt | Is it still a FFe candidate, or will it have to wait for Natty? | 16:43 |
mvo | mpt: very good chances for 10.10 , some complains about the fixme that I wanted to look at | 16:44 |
pitti | seb128: I think I added a @reboot cron job to clean those | 16:45 |
pitti | seb128: normally we do want this, since a shutdown doesn't terminate the retracers properly | 16:45 |
seb128 | pitti, so that explains it, thanks | 16:45 |
seb128 | right | 16:45 |
* pitti hugs seb128 | 16:45 | |
mpt | tremolux, do you think you can take a swing at bug 426999? It's required devildante to temporarily disable navigation to add-on pages in the add-ons branch (otherwise we end up with a pathbutton like "Get Software > Search Results > package A > package B") | 16:45 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 426999 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Navigating to item via search doesn't show its department/subsection (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 15)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426999 | 16:45 |
* seb128 hugs pitti | 16:46 | |
nessita | and471: for completeness sake, you can avoid it since you're not subscripting self._called | 16:47 |
ronoc | pitti: hey any chance you could bump this up the build queue -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+build/1930950 | 16:48 |
and471 | nessita, ok thanks | 16:48 |
tremolux | mpt: let me take another look at it, it's not straightforward but maybe there's a good way to tackle it | 16:52 |
and471 | <tremolux> mpt: let me take another look at it, it's not straightforward but maybe there's a good way to tackle it | 16:55 |
mpt | thanks and471 | 16:58 |
and471 | np | 16:58 |
mpt | mvo, have you received any new icons from Dan Fore? | 16:58 |
mvo | mpt: I don't think so | 17:01 |
mpt | mvo, ok, we were working on some last week, I'll mail him again | 17:01 |
DBO | ping pitti | 17:01 |
mvo | mpt: thanks | 17:02 |
mvo | mpt: I'm off to dinner for some minutes | 17:02 |
mpt | ok | 17:02 |
pitti | ronoc: done | 17:03 |
DBO | ping chrisccoulson (you will do fine too | 17:03 |
tremolux | and471: hiya! so, you pasted my reply to mpt, sorry I'm a little unclear; are you saying you are thinking to look at that bug? | 17:03 |
pitti | DBO: about to go to dinner, BBIAB | 17:03 |
chrisccoulson | DBO, on a call atm, is it urgent? | 17:03 |
ronoc | pitti: thx a mill! | 17:03 |
mpt | tremolux, I got disconnected so he was repeating it | 17:03 |
DBO | chrisccoulson, ping me when you have a free moment? :) | 17:03 |
DBO | chrisccoulson, far from urgent | 17:03 |
and471 | tremolux, yup as mpt said :) | 17:03 |
tremolux | mpt, and471: ahh, thanks! :) | 17:03 |
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and471 | np | 17:04 |
DBO | pitti, yeah I realized a little late that it was dinner time for you, sorry :) | 17:04 |
kiwinote | tremolux: just fyi, I had looked into that a little bit back and I think I recall that it wouldn't quite work out for all cases without some major-ish changes. I can't recall precisely which cases wouldn't work, but it had something to do with the available pane having categories and the appdetails pane not having them. | 17:05 |
kiwinote | installed pane that last one should be | 17:06 |
kiwinote | tremolux: but I would love to stand corrected of course ;) | 17:06 |
tremolux | kiwinote: thanks, yeah, when I looked at it a while back I didn't see a way to do it cleanly | 17:09 |
kiwinote | tremolux: yeah, the search thing by itself would work fine, but by the time you have the renavigate if we open s-c again and the add-ons stuff, then we have to have signals all over the place | 17:12 |
kiwinote | tremolux: anyway, good to see you back again! Hope you enjoyed your vacation? | 17:13 |
tremolux | kiwinote: thanks! oh yes, it was wonderful, two weeks in Paris :D | 17:13 |
tremolux | kiwinote: I wanted to never leave :) | 17:14 |
kiwinote | ah, nice! | 17:14 |
kiwinote | hehe | 17:14 |
tremolux | kiwinote: now I am trying to catch up on all the awesome work on software-center that you guys did :) | 17:15 |
kiwinote | tremolux: yeah, in two weeks a lot can happen :) | 17:15 |
kiwinote | tremolux: most of it happened in the week that mvo was still around though ;) | 17:16 |
tremolux | kiwinote: it's awesome, thanks a lot for all of your great work | 17:16 |
kiwinote | tremolux: np, it's a pleasure to be able to work with such a great team of people | 17:16 |
* and471 agrees | 17:17 | |
tremolux | kiwinote, and471: ditto! | 17:17 |
chrisccoulson | DBO, back | 17:20 |
DBO | so you are aware of the crashes in gnome-power-manager yes? | 17:20 |
chrisccoulson | DBO - yeah, that should be fixed now | 17:21 |
DBO | chrisccoulson, seems I am too late them :P | 17:21 |
DBO | then* | 17:21 |
and471 | bratsche, I just posted some info on bug 603479, hope this helps | 17:21 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 603479 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Menu items not insensitive/disabled after application start (affects: 1) (heat: 78)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603479 | 17:21 |
chrisccoulson | DBO - is it the unhandled BadAtom crash? | 17:21 |
DBO | chrisccoulson, yes I am downloading the package now to inspect the fix used | 17:22 |
chrisccoulson | DBO - the patch is on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627711 | 17:22 |
ubot2 | Gnome bug 627711 in general "gnome-power-manager crashed with signal 5 in _XError on systems without XBACKLIGHT" [Critical,Unconfirmed] | 17:22 |
DBO | chrisccoulson, okay never mind then, I like the patch used there more than mine | 17:23 |
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DBO | chrisccoulson, thank you for the update | 17:23 |
chrisccoulson | yw | 17:23 |
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chrisccoulson | vish - ok, string change for gst uploaded ;) | 17:25 |
vish | chrisccoulson: \o/ thanks :) | 17:25 |
bratsche | and471: Yeah, I'm not sure how to deal with that. Why would you set a menuitem's sensitivity when the menu is activated? That seems a little strange to me. | 17:28 |
bratsche | and471: I mean, ideally I should be able to just deal with it.. but I'm not really sure how. | 17:28 |
and471 | bratsche, maybe there is a better way it can be done in SC, but it is so we can say make the 'Install' item sensitive when the user has already selected a package in the treeview | 17:41 |
and471 | bratsche, and vice versa | 17:41 |
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emacs_noob | anyone knows why setting "desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowsmanager" to my WM of choice doesn't work? when it was metacity there, it worked, if i change it back to MC it works, but it doesn't want to fire up my other WM | 18:19 |
glatzor | evening mvo | 18:26 |
glatzor | mvo, still around? | 18:26 |
and471 | emacs_noob, have you tried #ubuntu? this channel is more for development :) | 18:28 |
devildante | kiwinote, mpt, mvo: hi :) | 18:32 |
emacs_noob | and471: #ubuntu don't know | 18:36 |
and471 | emacs_noob, sorry then | 18:36 |
emacs_noob | #ubuntu-devel don't know either.... | 18:37 |
emacs_noob | bummer | 18:37 |
emacs_noob | i don't want metacity | 18:37 |
emacs_noob | but i still wish to have gnome | 18:37 |
emacs_noob | oh well | 18:37 |
emacs_noob | gonna hack up my xinitrc | 18:37 |
pitti | good night everyone | 18:37 |
emacs_noob | thought there was a "proper" way, but it doesn't work | 18:37 |
seb128 | pitti, 'night | 18:38 |
mpt | hi devildante | 18:40 |
devildante | mpt, kiwinote, mvo: it seems FFE got accepted ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/617297 | 18:41 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 617297 in software-center (Ubuntu) "FFe for the lp:~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/addons branch (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:41 |
mpt | rock | 18:41 |
bcurtiswx | with todays GPM update, I now have to give gnome-power-backlight-helper permission to run _every_ time I dim or brighten my laptop | 18:43 |
devildante | 'n'roll :p | 18:43 |
devildante | bcurtiswx: happened to me too, but it doesn't seem to occur anymore. instead, it crashes :p | 18:44 |
devildante | bcurtiswx: lemme update before confirming | 18:44 |
bcurtiswx | devildante: OK | 18:45 |
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mclasen | caused by a policy file thats errouneously shipped in the tarball | 18:45 |
seb128 | chrisccoulson, ^ | 18:45 |
bcurtiswx | http://paste.ubuntu.com/482496/ | 18:45 |
seb128 | or pitti ^ | 18:46 |
chrisccoulson | that just seems like it's a side effect of my patch to make g-p-m work ;) | 18:46 |
chrisccoulson | i can drop the policy file though | 18:46 |
devildante | bcurtiswx: Confirmed :) do you want me to file a bug? | 18:49 |
bcurtiswx | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/615047 to link the LP# to in bug fix | 18:49 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 615047 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "[Maverick Alpha] asks for root permission to do: gnome-power-backlight-helper --get-max-brightness (affects: 4) (heat: 264)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:49 |
kklimonda | chrisccoulson: the <annotate> in policy file is really weird, why is that? | 18:49 |
bcurtiswx | ty kklimonda :) | 18:49 |
kklimonda | chrisccoulson: there are two files in source - ./policy/org.gnome.power.policy and ./policy/org.gnome.power.policy.in2 | 18:50 |
and471 | good night everyone | 18:51 |
chrisccoulson | kklimonda, not sure, i'll look at that in a bit. trying to debug a firefox and thunderbird crasher atm | 18:51 |
kklimonda | the first one has the weird path to helper, the second one looks misnamed.. | 18:52 |
htorque | chrisccoulson, does this firefox crash also work with 3.6.8? just did a firefox -P -no-remote, created a profile and started without any problems | 19:00 |
chrisccoulson | htorque, not sure, i didn't try that. i use ff4.0 by default now ;) | 19:01 |
chrisccoulson | the new profile thing could be a red herring though, but it triggers the crash every time here | 19:02 |
htorque | chrisccoulson, what source do use for ff 4.0? will try that :) | 19:02 |
chrisccoulson | htorque, ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa | 19:03 |
htorque | thx | 19:03 |
vish | htorque: hi , is this your bug? Bug #620041 not really sure what you are referring to there.. :( | 19:09 |
ubot2 | Launchpad bug 620041 in ubuntu-mono (Ubuntu) "[ubuntu-mono-dark] Inconsistent main color (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620041 | 19:09 |
htorque | chrisccoulson, yep, i get the crash | 19:09 |
chrisccoulson | it's difficult to debug because it has no debug symbols anymore :/ | 19:09 |
chrisccoulson | i suspect thats because all the binaries are stripped when we create the breakpad symbols for mozilla | 19:10 |
htorque | vish, yes - the beige used by the icons isn't the same beige for all icons | 19:10 |
vish | htorque: could you list which icons you are having a problem with ? there are way too many icons for anyone to check the color one by one ;p | 19:11 |
vish | htorque: btw, it is causing a problem somewhere? inconsistent appearance or any other issue, or is it that you just happened to notice it in inkscape? | 19:12 |
htorque | vish, that's going to take a while :D - i just used sed to replace the color in the svgs, but AFAIK there are some pngs too | 19:12 |
htorque | vish, yes, before changing it i definitely saw the difference in the panel | 19:12 |
htorque | vish, obviously not for #EAE3D0 vs. #EAE3D1 | 19:13 |
vish | htorque: seriously though, do mention the icons that cause a problem .. otherwise it is not possible to check each icon.. | 19:14 |
htorque | vish, working on it | 19:14 |
emacs_noob | windowmaker.desktop | 19:18 |
emacs_noob | oops.... wrong buffer, sorry | 19:18 |
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seb128 | pedro_, hey | 20:05 |
seb128 | pedro_, the bugs about nautilus to be slow you can try asking if that happens without ubuntuone-client or appmenu-gtk installed | 20:06 |
pedro_ | seb128, salut, ok will do it | 20:06 |
seb128 | or ubuntuone-client-gnome | 20:06 |
seb128 | pedro_, how are you btw? ;-) | 20:07 |
pedro_ | btw looks like we're having more crashes related to that gtk+2.0 crash the dx team is assigned to | 20:07 |
pedro_ | saw a couple on nautilus | 20:07 |
pedro_ | seb128, I'm good! what about you? | 20:07 |
seb128 | right, I'm waiting on launchpad to fix their bug so we can restart the retracers or sort those | 20:07 |
seb128 | pedro_, I'm fine thanks ;-) | 20:07 |
pedro_ | bad time to have the retracers broken :-( | 20:07 |
seb128 | indeed | 20:08 |
seb128 | pedro_, they said they would fix it this week though | 20:08 |
* pedro_ crossing fingers | 20:08 | |
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emacs_noob | does anybody know how to change default window manager in latest Lucid? nothing seems to work, because gdm starts running metacity even before a user logs in! | 20:43 |
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alecu | nessita, rodrigo_: when you have some time... https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/properly-return-errors/+merge/33362 | 21:06 |
chrisccoulson | this is such a cool firefox extension: http://code.google.com/p/crashme/ :) | 21:15 |
micahg | heh, I"ll have to remember that :) | 21:16 |
chrisccoulson | micahg - ted pointed me to it for testing the crash reporting ;) | 21:19 |
chrisccoulson | you can even pick how you want to crash! | 21:19 |
micahg | chrisccoulson: makes sense :) | 21:19 |
chrisccoulson | it seems we're sending empty crash reports :/ | 21:24 |
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bcurtiswx | is there a reason libgirepository1.0-0 is still not allowed to be installed? | 23:45 |
ajmitch | because it's superseded by libgirepository1.0-1? Any package that still depends on the older libgirepository should be rebuilt | 23:47 |
bcurtiswx | ajmitch: OK, so we just have to wait for all of them to be rebuilt? | 23:48 |
ajmitch | what packages are there that still depend on it? | 23:49 |
bcurtiswx | ajmitch: hmm, how to find that out? | 23:49 |
chrisccoulson | epiphany, gjs and seed | 23:49 |
ajmitch | chrisccoulson: apt-cache rdepends didn't show them | 23:50 |
bcurtiswx | sudo apt-get autoremove --purge | 23:50 |
bcurtiswx | whoops wrong thing.. lol | 23:50 |
chrisccoulson | hmmm, shows them here | 23:51 |
* bcurtiswx is getting used to irsii | 23:51 | |
micahg | I can rebuild gjs tonight if it'll help something | 23:51 |
bcurtiswx | apt-cache rdepends libgirepository1.0-0 | 23:51 |
bcurtiswx | right? | 23:51 |
ajmitch | chrisccoulson: I'd done apt-get update a few minutes ago - epiphany was upload for a rebuild nearly 2 weeks ago | 23:51 |
ajmitch | bcurtiswx: right, and the output will include packages that conflict/replace it as well | 23:52 |
rickspencer3 | RAOF, good morning | 23:52 |
bcurtiswx | i list gir1.0-everything-1.0 | 23:52 |
chrisccoulson | hmmm, not sure why it still shows it here then | 23:52 |
micahg | gjs I uploaded < 2 weeks ago | 23:53 |
* ajmitch is only checking on amd64 | 23:54 | |
* bcurtiswx is on amd64 as well | 23:54 | |
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rickspencer3 | good morning robert_ancell | 23:58 |
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