[07:23] <pitti> Good morning
[07:42] <and471> morning all :)
[07:44] <kiwinote> morning and471
[07:44] <and471> hey kiwinote
[08:18] <and471> mvo, you are back!! :)
[08:19] <mvo> hey and471!
[08:19] <and471> mvo, I will let you ctach up with the backlog first, but when you are ready, I have a question about app-install-data :)
[08:19] <and471> *cacth
[08:19] <and471> *catch
[08:20] <mvo> and471: heh :) sure, just ask, I am reading mail currently, but I will reply async ;)
[08:20] <and471> mvo, oh okay :)
[08:21] <and471> mvo, currently the fretsonfire-game.desktop file in app-install-data points to the package fretsonfire-game (as this is the package in which it is contained), however we want the fretsonfire-game-desktop file to point towards the fretsonfire matapackage ('fretsonfire') instead - is there a way to do this?
[08:23] <mvo> and471: yes, there is a ~mvo/archive-crawler/mvo that contains a data/rename.cfg file that can be used for this, I can do that now
[08:23] <and471> mvo, ah thankyou very much
[08:30] <mvo> and471: done, will be part of the next data update
[08:30] <and471> mvo, thankyou very much :)
[08:30] <and471> vish, ^ fretsonfire
[08:32] <mvo> and471: yw :)
[08:34] <and471> mvo, just so I understand, that change should mean that software center will show the description of the metapackage?
[08:36] <mvo> and471: yes
[08:36] <and471> ok thanks
[08:36] <mvo> and471: is that not good ?
[08:36] <and471> mvo, no no that is good, I just wanted to check I had understood it correctly
[08:36] <mvo> ok :)
[08:45] <and471> mvo, sorry how rude of me, how was your vacation? :)
[08:46] <vish> and471: neat thanks.. :)
[08:46] <vish>  \o/ mvo is back!
[08:46] <pitti> hey mvo, welcome back!
[08:46] <vish> and471: had you filed a separate bug for that in frets?
[08:47] <and471> vish, no, so all is okay now
[08:47] <vish> and471: the same way mvo had fixed the firefox bug too.. the one you marked invalid.. ;)
[08:47] <and471> vish, well I looked and it had been fixed already, you can mark fix released if you want :)
[08:47] <vish> and471: already done ;p
[08:48] <and471> hehe
[08:48] <vish> and471: bah! we could have had two bugs in frets as fixed ;p
[08:48] <and471> ah wel...
[08:49] <vish> and471: why was the cups task closed? the bug you just closed..
[08:49] <and471> vish, so just to check, for this merge request, do I need to subscribe the sponsors to the bug? https://code.launchpad.net/~and471/ubuntu/maverick/fretsonfire/fix-599525/+merge/33356
[08:49] <and471> vish, bilalakthar said that it was in gtk+2.0
[08:49] <and471> stupid internets broke again...
[08:49] <vish> and471: oh.. better to have commented that.. otherwise i have to read bug to know that ;p
[08:50] <and471> vish, sorry, I will do, it was just because bilal said 'This is not in CUPS' but I will do
[08:50] <vish> and471: thanks :)
[08:51] <and471> vish, so just to check, for this merge request, do I need to subscribe the sponsors to the bug? https://code.launchpad.net/~and471/ubuntu/maverick/fretsonfire/fix-599525/+merge/33356
[08:52] <vish> and471: i still dont know whats wrong in doing that.. tumbleweed thinks otherwise.. :)
[08:52] <and471> ok, I won't then :)
[08:52] <vish> and471: and gese-r thought we can subscribe both too.. so might just be each sponsor's pref
[08:52] <and471> yeah
[08:53] <and471> vish, well since tumbleweed sponsored my last upload, I will be nice and do what he asked :)
[09:13] <seb128> hey
[09:14] <and471> hey seb128
[09:16] <and471> oh mvo, nearly forgot, I started some work on the new update-manager (software-updater) and myself, kiwinote, mpt and devildante were discussing it
[09:16] <mvo> and471: aha, interessting
[09:17] <and471> I figured that it would be better to start afresh because the infrastructure is very different (one window that morphs) and then copy some stuff from the old update-manager in
[09:17] <mvo> and471: ok, that should be fine
[09:17] <kiwinote> hi mvo! hope you had a good week?
[09:17] <and471> mvo, but we wanted to wait until you got back, to dicuss it
[09:17] <mvo> kiwinote: a very good one, thanks :)
[09:18] <and471> mvo, when you have some time lp:~and471/+junk/software-updater
[09:18] <mvo> and471: starting afresh gives us the chance to get rid of some baggage that accumulated over the years and focus more strongly on tests/TDD
[09:19] <and471> mvo, yup, I have started with TDD, already got most of them in :)
[09:19] <mvo> and471: sweet
[09:20] <mvo> and471: there was some discussion about updates at last uds and one vision that was discussed was to apply them all unattended. this requires a work in the backend to ensure that they are installed in a secure and unobtrusive way, but that would be the ideal. it updates without the user noticing
[09:21] <mvo> and471: of course that requires that its possible to interrupt the upgrade on shutdown etc, so some thinking is required how to do that best
[09:21] <mvo> and471: but there will be people who do not want to use it, so having a improved updater is still worthwhile
[09:22] <mvo> and471: glanced over the code, nice work!
[09:23] <and471> mvo, thanks :)
[09:23] <and471> mvo, I think when it starts t take shape, we would separate the pages out into different files, but that is the basic framework in there
[09:23]  * mvo nods
[09:25] <and471> mvo, so basically the reason I stopped on it was because I wanted to know whether we were going to go ahead with a 'rewrite' and also I don't really know about the backend stuff :)
[09:25] <and471> mvo, are you going to be working on it for natty?
[09:26] <mvo> and471: I'm not entirely sure yet, but its not unlikely. its definitely something we will discuss at uds
[09:42] <and471> mvo, ok
[09:43] <seb128> hey and471 mvo
[09:44] <mvo> hey seb128
[09:47] <seb128> mvo, did you have a nice week away from work?
[09:47] <mpt> Good morning mvo!
[09:47]  * mpt tries out lp:~mmcg069/software-center/visual-overhaul
[09:51] <and471> mpt, is it good? (screenshot please :) )
[10:12] <mpt> and471, http://imgur.com/i70vh
[10:12] <and471> mpt, nice
[10:12] <mvo> seb128: yes, *very* nice
[10:12] <mvo> hey mpt
[10:13] <and471> mpt, I don't know about the significance of the clouds - look a but ubuntuone
[10:13] <and471> *bit
[10:13] <mpt> yeah
[10:15] <mpt> It's a similar idea, the software you can install is "in the cloud", but possibly a bit too similar
[10:15] <mvo> mpt: is that branch based on the feedback the design discussed?
[10:15] <mvo> eh, the design team provided I mean :)
[10:17] <mpt> mvo, no, they don't have time
[10:18] <mvo> aha, ok
[10:55] <vish> mvo: hi , when you get time could you look into lp:~ilidrissi.amine/update-manager/software-updater-rename  and   lp:~ilidrissi.amine/update-notifier/renaming , we are nearing UIF, tick tock.. ;)
[10:56] <hyperair> eh? update-notifier is being renamed?
[10:57] <vish> hyperair: hey!
[10:57] <hyperair> vish: hey! =)
[11:04] <and471> hyperair, yup
[11:04] <hyperair> why so?
[11:05]  * hyperair thought the name was pretty okay
[11:05] <and471> mpt: ^ could you explain?
[11:07] <and471> or vish?
[11:08] <vish> hyperair: it is part of a larger plan! :)
[11:08] <hyperair> larger plan?
[11:08] <vish> hyperair: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdateHandling
[11:27] <dpm> hiya seb128, do you happen to know who maintains computer-janitor these days? I'd like them to have a look at bug 612493 - it's a single line change and it would make the application finally appear translated.
[11:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 612493 in computer-janitor (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Computer Janitor regression: UI strings not marked for translation (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/612493
[11:28] <seb128> dpm, mvo?
[11:29] <seb128> dpm, or nobody
[11:29] <dpm> seb128, ok thanks, I'll ping him when he's back from lunch
[11:29] <vish> dpm: i thin its barry warsaw , or similar..
[11:29] <vish> think*
[11:30] <dpm> yeah, I saw that as well, he's the contact for the upstream project in LP, but tbh I'm not sure at all anyone is maintaining it right now
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> wow, the build-depends for gnome-power-manager have gotten pretty bug
[11:30] <chrisccoulson> s/bug/big/
[11:30] <seb128> dpm, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~computer-janitor-hackers/computer-janitor/trunk
[11:30] <and471> vish, fretsonfire uploaded :)
[11:30] <seb128> dpm, barry has been doing the recent work it seems
[11:31] <seb128> dpm, talk to mvo or barry
[11:31] <vish> and471: yay!
[11:31] <dpm> I'll do that, thanks seb128 and vish
[11:31] <vish> np.. :)
[11:34] <and471> mvo, will the fretsonfire thing be fixed by next upload of archive-crawler or app-install-data?
[11:38] <vish> and471: have you filed a bug for removal of anjal from the archive?
[11:38] <and471> vish, no, I spoke to a guy about it and he said he would do it all
[11:39] <and471> vish, he was maintainer of moblin stuff
[11:40] <vish> and471: hmm, well , if you close the existing bug too, no one is gonna track it! ;)
[11:40] <and471> vish, I think he opened a separate bug...
[11:40]  * vish checks
[11:40] <and471> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anjal/+bug/621660
[11:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621660 in anjal (Ubuntu) "Please remove anjal from maverick (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[11:41] <vish> yup.. :)
[11:41] <and471> vish, so what should I do? open up the bug again?
[11:42] <vish> and471: nap , 621220 is fine.. just wanted to make sure there was a bug.. :)
[11:42] <vish> nah*
[11:42] <and471> ok
[11:43] <bilalakhtar> hmm
[11:48] <and471> vish, maybe don't mark fretsonfire bug as released, as we are still waiting on the upload from app-install-data
[11:49] <and471> vish, at the moment it will still display the same thing in SC
[11:50] <vish> and471: mv-o will upload it with the next release , ideally that bug is about two issues , the main focus was description though :)
[11:50] <and471> vish, ok its your choice, just don't want to get to maverick and something didn't happen and bug is still apparent
[11:51]  * and471 is going to go
[11:51] <and471> see ya everyone
[13:35] <rodrigo_> hi
[13:36] <nessita> mvo: are you around?
[13:36] <mvo> nessita: yes
[13:37] <nessita> mvo: hello! do you have a few minutes to talk about SSO dbus service? we need to sightly modify the signature of the signals
[13:38] <nessita> mvo: and I wanted to tell you so nothing get broken
[13:38] <mvo> nessita: ok, what will change/needs changing?
[13:38] <rodrigo_> hmm, seb128 not working today?
[13:39] <nessita> mvo: the login_and_do_all_the_magic method my signals one of the: CredentialsError, CredentialsFound and AuthorizationDenied
[13:39] <mvo> rodrigo_: he was around earlier
[13:39] <rodrigo_> mvo, ah, ok
[13:39] <nessita> mvo: s/my/might/
[13:40] <nessita> mvo: they all will pass as first argument the app_name (so you can check within your application if the signals was meant to be send to you)
[13:40] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:40] <rodrigo_> hey seb128 :)
[13:40] <seb128> hey kenvandine rodrigo_
[13:40] <nessita> mvo: and the CredentialsError will also pass the error
[13:40] <seb128> hey nessita
[13:40] <mpt> mvo, hi, are you planning on merging any changes to the buy-stuff code in the next couple of hours?
[13:41]  * rodrigo_ lets kenvandine first turn with seb128
[13:41] <nessita> hey seb128! the MIR for mocker is ready (just FYI)
[13:41]  * kenvandine doesn't need anything :)
[13:41] <seb128> nessita, excellent
[13:41] <nessita> mvo: so, alecu will be sending an email with these details, but I wanted to let you know first
[13:41] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, ah, ok
[13:41] <mvo> mpt: I haven't looked at anything pending, but there is nothing from me yet, but there is a request to change some of the server interaction - why do you ask?
[13:42] <seb128> mvo, do you know where language selector writes its changes?
[13:42] <mpt> mvo, so that I'd know whether a screencast I did now was about to become out of date
[13:42] <mvo> nessita: ok, that should be no problem, a mail is still much appreciated. once the mail is out I can change it easily
[13:42] <rodrigo_> seb128, so, about bug #615874, so I just submit the addition of the U1 email, right?
[13:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615874 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add Ubuntu One email to Evolution fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615874
[13:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, oh right, that one
[13:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes, though I don't like it much but seems you guys insist on it
[13:42] <nessita> mvo: great!
[13:42] <mvo> mpt: shoud be fine for the time being, certainly until the meeting :)
[13:42] <rodrigo_> seb128, sorry I couldn't look at it on Friday, I was travelling
[13:43] <mvo> seb128: the local or the global one?
[13:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, no worry
[13:43] <seb128> mvo, local, ie for the user running iut
[13:43] <rodrigo_> seb128, well, not that I like it much, but it's an easy way for announcing U1 without spamming too much
[13:43] <seb128> it got german put before english and doing a dnd from english us before german still doesn't fix it
[13:43] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, I'll submit the patch then
[13:43] <seb128> I just want to rm whatever it did
[13:43] <seb128> rodrigo_, without considering non english users
[13:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[13:44] <mvo> seb128: iirc it writes to ~/.profile, could you have a look there? don't rm the full file ;)
[13:44] <mvo> seb128: and .dmrc
[13:45] <seb128> export LANGUAGE="fr_FR:fr:de:de_AT:de_BE:de_CH:de_DE:de_LI:de_LU:en"
[13:45] <seb128> in profile
[13:45] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[13:45] <seb128> export LANGUAGE="fr_FR:fr:en_US:de:de_AT:de_BE:de_CH:de_DE:de_LI:de_LU:en"
[13:46] <seb128> in fact before the change I was doing
[13:46] <seb128> language selector is a piece of crap software
[13:46]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[13:46] <seb128> I got it cleaned now
[13:47] <mvo> seb128: I will simply claim that that started after I handed it over ;)
[13:47] <seb128> hehe
[13:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, right, that's why I tried with Danilo's intltool patch
[13:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, but I'll be sending the patch upstream
[13:52] <mpt> mvo, how do I make Ubuntu forget that I've purchased Hello X? :-)
[13:53] <mvo> mpt: not at all, but I can do that for you :)
[13:53] <mvo> mpt: did you work against staging or ec2?
[13:54] <mpt> mvo, how would I tell?
[13:54] <mvo> mpt: if you did not change anything its staging, I will make it forget about the purchase, hold on a minute or two
[13:55] <seb128> rodrigo_, I would prefer that but it's late for this cycle
[13:55] <mvo> mpt: its a hot seller, I see a lot of people purchasing it :)
[13:55] <rodrigo_> seb128, yeah
[13:57] <mvo> mpt: https://staging.launchpad.net is doing a code update, I can not change the subscription state for that currently :/
[13:58] <mpt> mvo, ok. So I have just tested the "you already purchased it but it didn't install properly" case, and it's pretty ropey
[14:01] <mpt> mvo, is it easy to test against ec2 instead? (Do I need my own ec2 account or something?)
[14:01] <mvo> mpt: the ec2 one will also try to talk to staging.launchpad.net and if that is down it will not work
[14:01] <mvo> mpt: so we need to wait a little bit unitl that code update is finished
[14:02] <mvo> mpt: in the meantime we can improve this failure case
[14:04] <mpt> mvo, as in, right now?
[14:06] <mvo> mpt: only if you have time
[14:07] <mpt> mvo, yep, that would be faster than e-mail/Launchpad ping-pong
[14:08] <mpt> mvo, the first thing I notice is that for something you can buy, the software list view item has a "More Info" button, it doesn't have an "Install" button, but it doesn't have a "Buy…" button either
[14:08] <mpt> Is that deliberate?
[14:10] <mvo> mpt: not deliberate, just a missing feature to show/wire-in the button
[14:12] <mpt> mvo, ok, bug 622700, that's low importance
[14:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622700 in software-center (Ubuntu) ""Buy…" button missing in software list view (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622700
[14:13] <fagan> mpt: is there software to buy in yet?
[14:13]  * fagan isnt on maverick at the moment
[14:13] <mpt> fagan, not quite yet
[14:13] <fagan> sounds like fun though when it gets in
[14:13] <mpt> mvo, the big one is bug 618817
[14:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 618817 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Payment screen opens in a separate window (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618817
[14:17] <kiwinote> davmor2: re your bug, "sudo update-software-center" should allow you to use s-c
[14:17] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, package branch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/615874 updated, so please review and merge, please
[14:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615874 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add Ubuntu One email to Evolution fresh install (affects: 1) (heat: 16)" [Wishlist,In progress]
[14:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[14:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, was the version translatable using gettext ready btw? I just saw your updates from friday on the merge request
[14:20] <davmor2> kiwinote: that worked thanks
[14:20] <davmor2> mvo: ^
[14:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, well, I am not sure it fully worked, but I think it was
[14:20] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you feel it's ready or do you think it's better to wait next cycle and go with the easy one now?
[14:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, without danilo's comments, I can't be sure, so it's safer to wait now I guess
[14:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, it's my opinion as well, let's do that
[14:21] <mvo> mpt: ok
[14:21] <rodrigo_> seb128, although if danilo confirms it works, today or during this week, would it be too late to add it?
[14:21] <mvo> kiwinote: just merged your no-dbus branch, many thanks for finding that bug :)
[14:22] <kiwinote> mvo: great, thanks
[14:22] <seb128> rodrigo_, we can think about it but it feels late, now is time to focus on stabilizing what we have not on adding new codepaths and debug those
[14:22] <mvo> davmor2: see above, if you bzr pull in trunk the lucid version should be more happy
[14:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, ok
[14:22] <mvo> davmor2: eh, the maverick one I mean
[14:22] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw do you know offhand if it's easy to add a signature to evo by default?
[14:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, I'll send a proper patch upstream, so for next cycle we should get it for free then
[14:23] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, I think it should, let me check
[14:23] <mpt> mvo, "ok" as in it's fixed? :-)
[14:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[14:23] <davmor2> mvo: I already thanked kiwinote but thanks :)
[14:24] <mvo> mpt: "ok" as in "I see what I can do"
[14:25] <mvo> mpt: (sorry, there is a bunch of other stuff, including some backend changes that are required too)
[14:26] <mvo> mpt: just merged your fit-and-finish branch, many thanks!
[14:27] <mpt> mvo, thanks. I couldn't work out how to get "Featured Applications" to show up as "Featured" in the pathbutton.
[14:28] <mvo> mpt: its not showing up in the pathbar at all right, now, correct? and you want it to show up?
[14:29] <mvo> mpt: or do you mean when clicking on "all" ?
[14:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, see /apps/evolution/mail/signatures gconf entry
[14:30] <rodrigo_> seb128, I guess you can provide some default there
[14:30] <mpt> mvo, when clicking on "All", you get "Get Software > Featured Applications". It should be just "Get Software > Featured". (For example, we might feature screensavers or fonts etc in future.)
[14:30] <mvo> mpt: ok, let me fix that
[14:31]  * mvo fixes some failing tests first
[14:31] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[14:31] <mpt> mvo, and the same for "New Applications" -> "What’s New"
[14:48] <kiwinote> mpt: is http://imagebin.org/110961 the character you want?
[14:49] <kiwinote> mpt: I ask because it looks a little titch misplaced
[14:51] <mpt> kiwinote, yep, that's it. It probably looks misplaced because the button is missing the usual left+right inner padding.
[14:51] <kiwinote> ok, thanks
[14:54] <bilalakhtar> kenvandine: could you please have a look at bug #620326 ?
[14:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620326 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Wrong (hardcoded) width for Play button in non-english language (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620326
[14:56] <alecu> seb128, hi, I've been working on the DBus interface for the SSO client. We've found a but in the DBus api, and we'd like to propose a fix
[14:56] <alecu> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sso-client/+bug/621377
[14:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 621377 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "SSOCredentials signals must always pass the app_name (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [High,Triaged]
[14:57] <alecu> *found a bug
[14:57] <seb128> bilalakhtar, kenvandine: don't upload rb
[14:57] <alecu> seb128, should we ask for an exception for it?
[14:57] <kenvandine> seb128, ok, got something queued up?
[14:58] <seb128> kenvandine, yes, what is commited and in the desktop team ppa
[14:58] <seb128> kenvandine, it just breaks indicator-sound so I'm waiting for ronoc to debug its side
[14:58] <kenvandine> seb128, can you look bug  620326?
[14:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620326 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Wrong (hardcoded) width for Play button in non-english language (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620326
[14:58] <kenvandine> and maybe incorporate the fix?
[14:59] <seb128> kenvandine, I will when I work on the upload
[14:59] <kenvandine> ok
[14:59] <kenvandine> thx
[14:59] <seb128> np
[15:03] <seb128> alecu, can you check with mvo for the impact on software-center?
[15:03] <seb128> alecu, I'm fine with the change but you need to sync uploads if that breaks software-center
[15:04] <alecu> seb128, yes, we've already told mvo about this possible change.
[15:04] <seb128> mvo, ^
[15:04] <alecu> seb128, ok, we'll make sure the uploads are syncd
[15:04] <seb128> thanks
[15:04] <bilalakhtar> thanks seb128
[15:04] <alecu>  thank you
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> vish - did you want something sponsoring for g-s-t?
[15:20] <vish> chrisccoulson: yeah, bug 529744 , thanks :)
[15:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 529744 in gnome-system-tools (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "When creating a new user, "Shortname" should really be "Username" . (affects: 1) (heat: 25)" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529744
[15:27] <mpt> Ah, kiwinote, you're so fast
[15:27] <kiwinote> hehe, I'll look at that installing purchase one too
[15:28] <kiwinote> mpt: do we continue to use three dots behind installing, or do you want real ellipsises there?
[15:29] <mvo> alecu: the change should be straightforward, will you send me a mail with the summary please? just so that it does not get lost?
[15:29] <mvo> kiwinote: nice!
[15:29] <mpt> kiwinote, real ellipses everywhere :-)
[15:29] <seb128> mvo, should we sync an upload with you?
[15:30] <seb128> mvo, or should sso just be updated and you will catch up with it?
[15:30] <mvo> seb128: I can catch up
[15:30] <kiwinote> mpt: ok, will do. Just need to make sure that I find all the tests to update as well ;)
[15:30] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[15:31] <seb128> mvo, I will let you know when I sponsor those changes
[15:31] <mpt> kiwinote, in .ui files it's &#8230; and in Python strings it's \u2026
[15:31] <kiwinote> thanks
[15:32] <mvo> mpt: do you have the terminal output from your screencast? I would like to check if its not a issue with staging. there should be a bunch of "title_changes … text on the terminal or in ~/.xsession-errors"
[15:34] <mpt> mvo, sorry, I restarted since then
[15:35] <mpt> And now staging is back up so I get a different result
[15:37] <alecu> mvo, I'll send the API that changes in an email, plus I'm setting up a wikipage with the full api
[15:39] <mvo> alecu: cool, thanks
[15:40] <mvo> mpt: could you please pastebin the output on the terminal for me?
[15:52] <mvo> mpt: its possible that staging is pretty outdated
[15:52] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, thanks for g-p-m; was that the reason for those "bad atom" failures?
[15:52] <mvo> mpt: the whats new/featured stuff is updated in trunk now (btw)
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that should fix those now
[15:52] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it'd explain why I didn't get that on my laptop then
[15:53] <pitti> seb128 mentioned the other day, but I never tested it on non-xrandr hardware, so I hadn't seen it
[15:53] <pitti> thanks!
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i don't get it on mine either, but a user came on to #ubuntu-devel over the weekend and we debugged it there
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> so i'm assuming it will fix it ;)
[15:57] <mvo> kiwinote: nice work on the getting-the-small-things-right branch, much appreciated
[15:58] <kiwinote> mvo: thanks :)
[16:04] <bilalakhtar> pitti: around?
[16:08] <and471> tremolux, hey
[16:08] <and471> nessita, hey, I am doing some tests with the framework that you use for ubuntu-sso-client, but I have hit a hurdle, wondered whether you have any ideas
[16:09] <nessita> and471: shooy
[16:09] <nessita> shoot*
[16:09] <and471> nessita, in a test, I check whether clicking a button launches 'software-properties-gtk' but parsing the 'ps -A' output
[16:10] <and471> nessita, but to launch software-properties-gtk, I have to actually run 'gksudo software-properties-gtk'
[16:10] <and471> however because of that 'xvfb-run' the tester can't see the gksudo dialog
[16:10] <kklimonda> mvo: could you take a look at bug 622489 when you have some time?
[16:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 622489 in update-manager (Ubuntu) ""Exception: No date tag found" in ubuntu-support-status (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/622489
[16:11] <and471> nessita, so they can't put in their password so the test fails
[16:11] <and471> nessita, I managed to get around this by running the tests with sudo
[16:11] <mvo> kklimonda: yes
[16:11] <and471> nessita, but then I can start software-properties-gtk becuase it gives me an error about not having an X display
[16:12] <and471> RuntimeError: could not open display
[16:14] <kiwinote> mpt, mvo: just fyi, I ran a script to list all pkgs containing recommended addons and suggested addons using the current addons branch (takes 40mins to run the script..). Output is available at http://ubuntuone.com/p/DdF/ . There are quite a few 'interesting' things in there.
[16:14] <nessita> and471: no no no no no nooooooooo!
[16:14] <nessita> :-)
[16:14] <mpt> kiwinote, interesting things like "Server Error (500)"? :-)
[16:15] <and471> kiwinote, try pastebin.ubuntu.com = it is pretty now :)
[16:15] <and471> nessita, huh?
[16:15] <kiwinote> and471: it doesn't accept files of 20k lines..
[16:15] <and471> kiwinote, that sucks
[16:15] <and471> kiwinote, but it is pretty :)
[16:16] <kiwinote> and471: but yes, it does look nice now!
[16:16] <nessita> and471: your tests should be absolutely isolated from other dependecies. So, how do you run the  software-properties-gtk within your program?
[16:16] <and471> nessita, ah, well we use the subprocess module
[16:17] <and471> nessita, when a settings button is clicked, subprocess.call is used
[16:17] <nessita> and471: then you should mokeypatch subprocess.call, basically like this:
[16:18] <and471> nessita, sorry subprocess.Popen, but it is basically the same
[16:18] <nessita> and471: let me show you a snippet
[16:21] <nessita> and471: are you using tiwsted.trial.unittest.TestCAse?
[16:21] <and471> nessita, yup
[16:22] <kiwinote> mpt, mvo: hm, perhaps http://bit.ly/ay9Eat works instead
[16:22] <and471> kiwinote, the link worked for me, but I have been getting 500's for other ubuntuone stuff this week
[16:23] <kiwinote> and471: ah, good to know. First time I've u1 here, so wasn't quite sure how stable it was
[16:23] <kiwinote> ..I've used..
[16:24] <nessita> and471: this snippet http://nessita.pastebin.com/FGb9Ukvt makes your code independant ofsubprocess.Popen
[16:25] <nessita> and471: you know subprocess.Popen works, so no need to exercise it
[16:26] <mpt> thanks kiwinote
[16:26] <and471> nessita, sorry pressed wrong power switch on wall...
[16:26] <and471> nessita, the rest you can guess :)
[16:28] <nessita> and471: jeje let me repaste what I said
[16:28] <nessita> and471: this snippet http://nessita.pastebin.com/FGb9Ukvt makes your code independant ofsubprocess.Popen
[16:28] <nessita> and471: you know subprocess.Popen works, so no need to exercise it
[16:28] <and471> nessita, cool thanks
[16:29] <and471> nessita, so self.patch replaces the function Popen in the module subprocess with your lambda function?
[16:30] <nessita> and471: exactly, and automatically restore it at tearDown time
[16:30] <and471> nessita, ah okay thankyou :)
[16:30] <nessita> you're welcome!
[16:35] <seb128> pitti, did you try to restart the retracers?
[16:35] <pitti> seb128: no, I didn't; I thought it was you
[16:35] <seb128> pitti, just wondering why I get an email about one of those crashing
[16:35] <pitti> I wondered as well
[16:35] <seb128> hum ok
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, there was a box restart apparently
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, not sure why that would make those run with the lock being on disk though
[16:37] <seb128> but I guess that's it
[16:38] <and471> nessita, why do you assert that self._called is not None first?
[16:40] <mpt> mvo, tremolux: I have a couple of questions that I would have asked if my mic was working :-)
[16:41] <mvo> mpt: sure, just ask them now
[16:42] <mpt> mvo, what are the prospects for the add-ons branch?
[16:43] <mpt> Is it still a FFe candidate, or will it have to wait for Natty?
[16:44] <mvo> mpt: very good chances for 10.10 , some complains about the fixme that I wanted to look at
[16:45] <pitti> seb128: I think I added a @reboot cron job to clean those
[16:45] <pitti> seb128: normally we do want this, since a shutdown doesn't terminate the retracers properly
[16:45] <seb128> pitti, so that explains it, thanks
[16:45] <seb128> right
[16:45]  * pitti hugs seb128
[16:45] <mpt> tremolux, do you think you can take a swing at bug 426999? It's required devildante to temporarily disable navigation to add-on pages in the add-ons branch (otherwise we end up with a pathbutton like "Get Software > Search Results > package A > package B")
[16:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 426999 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Navigating to item via search doesn't show its department/subsection (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 15)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426999
[16:46]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[16:47] <nessita> and471: for completeness sake, you can avoid it since you're not subscripting self._called
[16:48] <ronoc> pitti: hey any chance you could bump this up the build queue -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+build/1930950
[16:48] <and471> nessita, ok thanks
[16:52] <tremolux> mpt: let me take another look at it, it's not straightforward but maybe there's a good way to tackle it
 mpt: let me take another look at it, it's not straightforward but maybe there's a good way to tackle it
[16:58] <mpt> thanks and471
[16:58] <and471> np
[16:58] <mpt> mvo, have you received any new icons from Dan Fore?
[17:01] <mvo> mpt: I don't think so
[17:01] <mpt> mvo, ok, we were working on some last week, I'll mail him again
[17:01] <DBO> ping pitti
[17:02] <mvo> mpt: thanks
[17:02] <mvo> mpt: I'm off to dinner for some minutes
[17:02] <mpt> ok
[17:03] <pitti> ronoc: done
[17:03] <DBO> ping chrisccoulson (you will do fine too
[17:03] <tremolux> and471: hiya!  so, you pasted my reply to mpt, sorry I'm a little unclear; are you saying you are thinking to look at that bug?
[17:03] <pitti> DBO: about to go to dinner, BBIAB
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> DBO, on a call atm, is it urgent?
[17:03] <ronoc> pitti: thx a mill!
[17:03] <mpt> tremolux, I got disconnected so he was repeating it
[17:03] <DBO> chrisccoulson, ping me when you have a free moment? :)
[17:03] <DBO> chrisccoulson, far from urgent
[17:03] <and471> tremolux, yup as mpt said :)
[17:03] <tremolux> mpt, and471: ahh, thanks!  :)
[17:04] <and471> np
[17:04] <DBO> pitti, yeah I realized a little late that it was dinner time for you, sorry :)
[17:05] <kiwinote> tremolux: just fyi, I had looked into that a little bit back and I think I recall that it wouldn't quite work out for all cases without some major-ish changes. I can't recall precisely which cases wouldn't work, but it had something to do with the available pane having categories and the appdetails pane not having them.
[17:06] <kiwinote> installed pane that last one should be
[17:06] <kiwinote> tremolux: but I would love to stand corrected of course ;)
[17:09] <tremolux> kiwinote: thanks, yeah, when I looked at it a while back I didn't see a way to do it cleanly
[17:12] <kiwinote> tremolux: yeah, the search thing by itself would work fine, but by the time you have the renavigate if we open s-c again and the add-ons stuff, then we have to have signals all over the place
[17:13] <kiwinote> tremolux: anyway, good to see you back again! Hope you enjoyed your vacation?
[17:13] <tremolux> kiwinote: thanks!  oh yes, it was wonderful, two weeks in Paris  :D
[17:14] <tremolux> kiwinote: I wanted to never leave  :)
[17:14] <kiwinote> ah, nice!
[17:14] <kiwinote> hehe
[17:15] <tremolux> kiwinote: now I am trying to catch up on all the awesome work on software-center that you guys did  :)
[17:15] <kiwinote> tremolux: yeah, in two weeks a lot can happen :)
[17:16] <kiwinote> tremolux: most of it happened in the week that mvo was still around though ;)
[17:16] <tremolux> kiwinote: it's awesome, thanks a lot for all of your great work
[17:16] <kiwinote> tremolux: np, it's a pleasure to be able to work with such a great team of people
[17:17]  * and471 agrees
[17:17] <tremolux> kiwinote, and471: ditto!
[17:20] <chrisccoulson> DBO, back
[17:20] <DBO> so you are aware of the crashes in gnome-power-manager yes?
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> DBO - yeah, that should be fixed now
[17:21] <DBO> chrisccoulson, seems I am too late them :P
[17:21] <DBO> then*
[17:21] <and471> bratsche, I just posted some info on bug 603479, hope this helps
[17:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 603479 in software-center (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Menu items not insensitive/disabled after application start (affects: 1) (heat: 78)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/603479
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> DBO - is it the unhandled BadAtom crash?
[17:22] <DBO> chrisccoulson, yes I am downloading the package now to inspect the fix used
[17:22] <chrisccoulson> DBO - the patch is on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627711
[17:22] <ubot2> Gnome bug 627711 in general "gnome-power-manager crashed with signal 5 in _XError on systems without XBACKLIGHT" [Critical,Unconfirmed]
[17:23] <DBO> chrisccoulson, okay never mind then, I like the patch used there more than mine
[17:23] <DBO> chrisccoulson, thank you for the update
[17:23] <chrisccoulson> yw
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> vish - ok, string change for gst uploaded ;)
[17:25] <vish> chrisccoulson: \o/  thanks :)
[17:28] <bratsche> and471: Yeah, I'm not sure how to deal with that.  Why would you set a menuitem's sensitivity when the menu is activated?  That seems a little strange to me.
[17:28] <bratsche> and471: I mean, ideally I should be able to just deal with it.. but I'm not really sure how.
[17:41] <and471> bratsche, maybe there is a better way it can be done in SC, but it is so we can say make the 'Install' item sensitive when the user has already selected a package in the treeview
[17:41] <and471> bratsche, and vice versa
[18:19] <emacs_noob> anyone knows why setting "desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowsmanager" to my WM of choice doesn't work? when it was metacity there, it worked, if i change it back to MC it works, but it doesn't want to fire up my other WM
[18:26] <glatzor> evening mvo
[18:26] <glatzor> mvo, still around?
[18:28] <and471> emacs_noob, have you tried #ubuntu? this channel is more for development :)
[18:32] <devildante> kiwinote, mpt, mvo: hi :)
[18:36] <emacs_noob> and471: #ubuntu don't know
[18:36] <and471> emacs_noob, sorry then
[18:37] <emacs_noob> #ubuntu-devel don't know either....
[18:37] <emacs_noob> bummer
[18:37] <emacs_noob> i don't want metacity
[18:37] <emacs_noob> but i still wish to have gnome
[18:37] <emacs_noob> oh well
[18:37] <emacs_noob> gonna hack up my xinitrc
[18:37] <pitti> good night everyone
[18:37] <emacs_noob> thought there was a "proper" way, but it doesn't work
[18:38] <seb128> pitti, 'night
[18:40] <mpt> hi devildante
[18:41] <devildante> mpt, kiwinote, mvo: it seems FFE got accepted ;) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/617297
[18:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 617297 in software-center (Ubuntu) "FFe for the lp:~ilidrissi.amine/software-center/addons branch (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:41] <mpt> rock
[18:43] <bcurtiswx> with todays GPM update, I now have to give gnome-power-backlight-helper permission to run _every_ time I dim or brighten my laptop
[18:43] <devildante> 'n'roll :p
[18:44] <devildante> bcurtiswx: happened to me too, but it doesn't seem to occur anymore. instead, it crashes :p
[18:44] <devildante> bcurtiswx: lemme update before confirming
[18:45] <bcurtiswx> devildante: OK
[18:45] <mclasen> caused by a policy file thats errouneously shipped in the tarball
[18:45] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^
[18:45] <bcurtiswx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/482496/
[18:46] <seb128> or pitti ^
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> that just seems like it's a side effect of my patch to make g-p-m work ;)
[18:46] <chrisccoulson> i can drop the policy file though
[18:49] <devildante> bcurtiswx: Confirmed :) do you want me to file a bug?
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-1/+bug/615047 to link the LP# to in bug fix
[18:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615047 in policykit-1 (Ubuntu) "[Maverick Alpha] asks for root permission to do: gnome-power-backlight-helper --get-max-brightness (affects: 4) (heat: 264)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:49] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: the <annotate> in policy file is really weird, why is that?
[18:49] <bcurtiswx> ty kklimonda :)
[18:50] <kklimonda> chrisccoulson: there are two files in source - ./policy/org.gnome.power.policy and ./policy/org.gnome.power.policy.in2
[18:51] <and471> good night everyone
[18:51] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda, not sure, i'll look at that in a bit. trying to debug a firefox and thunderbird crasher atm
[18:52] <kklimonda> the first one has the weird path to helper, the second one looks misnamed..
[19:00] <htorque> chrisccoulson, does this firefox crash also work with 3.6.8? just did a firefox -P -no-remote, created a profile and started without any problems
[19:01] <chrisccoulson> htorque, not sure, i didn't try that. i use ff4.0 by default now ;)
[19:02] <chrisccoulson> the new profile thing could be a red herring though, but it triggers the crash every time here
[19:02] <htorque> chrisccoulson, what source do use for ff 4.0? will try that :)
[19:03] <chrisccoulson> htorque, ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[19:03] <htorque> thx
[19:09] <vish> htorque: hi , is this your bug? Bug #620041 not really sure what you are referring to there.. :(
[19:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 620041 in ubuntu-mono (Ubuntu) "[ubuntu-mono-dark] Inconsistent main color (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620041
[19:09] <htorque> chrisccoulson, yep, i get the crash
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> it's difficult to debug because it has no debug symbols anymore :/
[19:10] <chrisccoulson> i suspect thats because all the binaries are stripped when we create the breakpad symbols for mozilla
[19:10] <htorque> vish, yes - the beige used by the icons isn't the same beige for all icons
[19:11] <vish> htorque: could you list which icons you are having a problem with ? there are way too many icons for anyone to check the color one by one ;p
[19:12] <vish> htorque: btw, it is causing a problem somewhere? inconsistent appearance or any other issue, or is it that you just happened to notice it in inkscape?
[19:12] <htorque> vish, that's going to take a while :D - i just used sed to replace the color in the svgs, but AFAIK there are some pngs too
[19:12] <htorque> vish, yes, before changing it i definitely saw the difference in the panel
[19:13] <htorque> vish, obviously not for #EAE3D0 vs. #EAE3D1
[19:14] <vish> htorque: seriously though, do mention the icons that cause a problem .. otherwise it is not possible to check each icon..
[19:14] <htorque> vish, working on it
[19:18] <emacs_noob> windowmaker.desktop
[19:18] <emacs_noob> oops.... wrong buffer, sorry
[20:05] <seb128> pedro_, hey
[20:06] <seb128> pedro_, the bugs about nautilus to be slow you can try asking if that happens without ubuntuone-client or appmenu-gtk installed
[20:06] <pedro_> seb128, salut, ok will do it
[20:06] <seb128> or ubuntuone-client-gnome
[20:07] <seb128> pedro_, how are you btw? ;-)
[20:07] <pedro_> btw looks like we're having more crashes related to that gtk+2.0 crash the dx team is assigned to
[20:07] <pedro_> saw a couple on nautilus
[20:07] <pedro_> seb128, I'm good! what about you?
[20:07] <seb128> right, I'm waiting on launchpad to fix their bug so we can restart the retracers or sort those
[20:07] <seb128> pedro_, I'm fine thanks ;-)
[20:07] <pedro_> bad time to have the retracers broken :-(
[20:08] <seb128> indeed
[20:08] <seb128> pedro_, they said they would fix it this week though
[20:08]  * pedro_ crossing fingers
[20:43] <emacs_noob> does anybody know how to change default window manager in latest Lucid? nothing seems to work, because gdm starts running metacity even before a user logs in!
[21:06] <alecu> nessita, rodrigo_: when you have some time... https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntu-sso-client/properly-return-errors/+merge/33362
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> this is such a cool firefox extension: http://code.google.com/p/crashme/ :)
[21:16] <micahg> heh, I"ll have to remember that :)
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ted pointed me to it for testing the crash reporting ;)
[21:19] <chrisccoulson> you can even pick how you want to crash!
[21:19] <micahg> chrisccoulson: makes sense :)
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> it seems we're sending empty crash reports :/
[23:45] <bcurtiswx> is there a reason libgirepository1.0-0 is still not allowed to be installed?
[23:47] <ajmitch> because it's superseded by libgirepository1.0-1? Any package that still depends on the older libgirepository should be rebuilt
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> ajmitch: OK, so we just have to wait for all of them to be rebuilt?
[23:49] <ajmitch> what packages are there that still depend on it?
[23:49] <bcurtiswx> ajmitch: hmm, how to find that out?
[23:49] <chrisccoulson> epiphany, gjs and seed
[23:50] <ajmitch> chrisccoulson: apt-cache rdepends didn't show them
[23:50] <bcurtiswx> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[23:50] <bcurtiswx> whoops wrong thing.. lol
[23:51] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, shows them here
[23:51]  * bcurtiswx is getting used to irsii
[23:51] <micahg> I can rebuild gjs tonight if it'll help something
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> apt-cache rdepends libgirepository1.0-0
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> right?
[23:51] <ajmitch> chrisccoulson: I'd done apt-get update a few minutes ago - epiphany was upload for a rebuild nearly 2 weeks ago
[23:52] <ajmitch> bcurtiswx: right, and the output will include packages that conflict/replace it as well
[23:52] <rickspencer3> RAOF, good morning
[23:52] <bcurtiswx> i list gir1.0-everything-1.0
[23:52] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, not sure why it still shows it here then
[23:53] <micahg> gjs I uploaded < 2 weeks ago
[23:54]  * ajmitch is only checking on amd64
[23:54]  * bcurtiswx is on amd64 as well
[23:58] <rickspencer3> good morning robert_ancell